29-Aug-1994 9:31:07-GMT,4826;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA14040; Mon, 29 Aug 94 03:31:02 MDT Received: from IRLEARN.UCD.IE (MAILER@IRLEARN) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Mon, 29 Aug 1994 03:30 MST Received: from IRLEARN.UCD.IE (NJE origin LISTSERV@IRLEARN) by IRLEARN.UCD.IE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8659; Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:30:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:30:34 +0100 From: BITNET list server at IRLEARN (1.8a) Subject: You have been added to the TWGDVI-L list To: Nelson Beebe Cc: MAKE@PSARC.COM, PFLYNN@CURIA.UCC.IE Reply-To: TWGDVI-L-Request@IRLEARN.UCD.IE Message-Id: <76D3E1FAEC06A02B@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU X-Lsv-Listid: TWGDVI-L Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:30:20 You have been added to the TWGDVI-L mailing list (TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues) by Peter Coghlan . Please save this message for future reference, especially if you are not familiar with LISTSERV. This might look like a waste of disk space now, but in 6 months you will be glad you saved this information when you realize that you cannot remember what are the lists you are subscribed to, or what is the command to leave the list to avoid filling up your mailbox while you are on vacations. In fact, you should create a new mail folder for subscription confirmation messages like this one, and for the "welcome messages" from the list owners that you are will occasionally receive after subscribing to a new list. To send a message to all the people currently subscribed to the list, just send mail to TWGDVI-L@IRLEARN.UCD.IE. This is called "sending mail to the list", because you send mail to a single address and LISTSERV makes copies for all the people who have subscribed. This address (TWGDVI-L@IRLEARN.UCD.IE) is also called the "list address". You must never try to send any command to that address, as it would be distributed to all the people who have subscribed. 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If you do not trust the system, send a "SET TWGDVI-L REPRO" command and LISTSERV will send you a copy of your own messages, so that you can see that the message was distributed and did not get damaged on the way. After a while you may find that this is getting annoying, especially if your mail program does not tell you that the message is from you when it informs you that new mail has arrived from TWGDVI-L. If you send a "SET TWGDVI-L ACK NOREPRO" command, LISTSERV will mail you a short acknowledgement instead, which will look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately that this is an acknowledgement you can read later. Finally, you can turn off acknowledgements completely with "SET TWGDVI-L NOACK NOREPRO". Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX TWGDVI-L" command to LISTSERV@IRLEARN.BITNET (or LISTSERV@IRLEARN.UCD.IE). You can then order these files with a "GET TWGDVI-L LOGxxxx" command, or using LISTSERV's database search facilities. Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter. Please note that it is presently possible for anybody to determine that you are signed up to the list through the use of the "REVIEW" command, which returns the e-mail address and name of all the subscribers. If you do not want your name to be visible, just issue a "SET TWGDVI-L CONCEAL" command. More information on LISTSERV commands can be found in the LISTSERV reference card, which you can retrieve by sending an "INFO REFCARD" command to LISTSERV@IRLEARN.BITNET (or LISTSERV@IRLEARN.UCD.IE). 1-Sep-1994 15:22:10-GMT,1107;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA02532; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:22:01 MDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (MAILER@UCBCMSA) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:21 MST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8462; Thu, 01 Sep 94 08:18:00 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4590; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:17:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:14:35 -0400 From: "Michael D. Sofka" Subject: Test message. Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <035DBF25BC09E76F@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU X-To: TWGDVI-L@irlearn.ucd.ie This is a test message to see if TWGDVI-L is working (from my end). Please let me know if you receive anything. Mike 1-Sep-1994 15:37:49-GMT,1340;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA02663; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:37:47 MDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (MAILER@UCBCMSA) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:37 MST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0079; Thu, 01 Sep 94 08:35:54 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5745; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:35:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:29:35 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: Test message. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Sep 1994 09:14:35 EDT." <"swan.cl.cam.:068940:940901141527"@cl.cam.ac.uk> Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <0591A44B6C091112@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU X-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues i shall shortly try and pass on to this list some meterial about snardardized \specials for www addresses embedded in dvi files. it might be relevant. that was my test sebastian 1-Sep-1994 15:53:49-GMT,1211;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA02780; Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:53:47 MDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (MAILER@UCBCMSA) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:53 MST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 1174; Thu, 01 Sep 94 08:52:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7208; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:52:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 16:28:05 SST From: Friedhelm Sowa Subject: Re: Test message. Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <07CAD640DC09B937@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU X-To: TWGDVI-L%IRLEARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de On Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:14:35 -0400, Michael D. Sofka wrote: >This is a test message to see if TWGDVI-L is working (from my end). >Please let me know if you receive anything. Now you know :-) Friedhelm 1-Sep-1994 18:13:19-GMT,872;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA04214; Thu, 1 Sep 94 12:13:14 MDT Received: from VM42.CSO.UIUC.EDU (MAILER@UIUCVM42) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:13 MST Received: from VM42.CSO.UIUC.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UIUCVM42) by VM42.CSO.UIUC.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6060; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 17:58:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:42:55 -0700 From: "Tomas G. Rokicki" Subject: Re: Test message. Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <1B46EC057C09FD2E@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU I got something; thanks! -tom 6-Sep-1994 19:01:37-GMT,1263;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA11431; Tue, 6 Sep 94 13:01:34 MDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (MAILER@UCBCMSA) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:01 MST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8304; Tue, 06 Sep 94 10:53:21 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2109; Tue, 6 Sep 1994 10:53:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:00:27 EDT From: "Berthold K.P. Horn" Subject: Test message. In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:29:35 +0100 <9409011536.AA29523@life.ai.mit.edu> Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <0FD6B02A9C0B4077@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU X-To: TWGDVI-L%IRLEARN.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Hi: could you list my email address as 71172.524@compuserve.com please. I don't use the bkph@ai.mit.edu InterNet address much. Thanks, Berthold. 12-Sep-1994 10:30:57-GMT,1603;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA28881; Mon, 12 Sep 94 04:30:36 MDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (MAILER@UCBCMSA) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 04:30 MST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 8036; Mon, 12 Sep 94 01:49:17 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9601; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 01:49:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 09:40:53 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: Introduction and Charter. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Sep 1994 02:00:12 +0200." <"swan.cl.cam.:002870:940912000059"@cl.cam.ac.uk> Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <7F7923AD1C0BD05C@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU X-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues in reply to Yannis: no amount of conversion will put in information that wasnt supplied. see my example of included PS figures - are they to be clipped to the BB or not? write the tools, yes, but dont let that stand in the way of defining the needs, if not the precise specification. well, who could deny the MF \specials are not interesting too? and the ones in VFs. the taxonomy thing should include those too. sebastian 12-Sep-1994 11:28:36-GMT,3790;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA29133; Mon, 12 Sep 94 05:28:26 MDT Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (MAILER@UCBCMSA) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Mon, 12 Sep 1994 05:28 MST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 5930; Sun, 11 Sep 94 17:00:35 PDT Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0664; Sun, 11 Sep 1994 17:00:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 02:00:12 +0200 From: Yannis Haralambous Subject: Re: Introduction and Charter. Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <878DB645AC082C76@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU Sorry it took me so long to answer. I only would like to share a few thoughts on that idea of taxonomy, and its publication in TUGboat or TTN: -- let's do it, -- but let's not impose TUGboat/TTN readers the sight of it. \specials tend to become mythical objects, and a standad syntax for them is the equivalent of the Graal for the common TeX user. Giving a list of all \special syntaxes from past and present would be very fair for all those people who have worked on it, but extremely painful to read. It surely would be nice to have such a document, but it should be published apart. Peter Flynn will never accept it for TTN (too technical!) and if we put it into TUGboat there will be even more people shouting that TUGboat is for gurus only. Why do we need to have it printed in the first place? aren't we living in the age of WWW? Acrobat? Instead of spending time and effort in establishing YASS (Yet Another Special Syntax), I would propose we find and write down tools to switch between syntaxes. Let's fond out what the minimal requirements for a syntax are, so that we can tell which ones can unambiguously be converted into each other. A tool that detects which syntax is being read would be the ideal thing (but then perhaps I'm asking too much). Don't forget that we want backwards compatibility: all those DVI files lying around, have \specials inside them (think of the heroin of Alien 3). In the Omega project we are defining fltering processes for the \special stream. What interests us the most right now, is a clean way to convert all possible \special syntaxes into each other (OK, let's stop being impartial, we want to convert everything into dvips syntax, as long as PostScript is the goal; after all it's author has promissed us to upgrade it for XVF and XFM 16-bit fonts ;-) Finally a last thought: I think that name (and mandate?) of this working group should be slightly changed, to cover also Metafont specials. Don't forget that there is a similar notion for information imbedded in GF files. I'm using those specials to get information out of Metafont: in this way I can produce virtual fonts *with* Metafont (and a small tool which reads the data in the GF file and writes it in a text file). besides this way of using them, these specials could also contain PostScript commands: then we could have colored letters (in much the same way as virtual fonts do it). Unfortunately, in the PK format MF specials can only be placed between characters and that limits their scope severely (otherwise we could have Metapost-like features using Metafont specials). As the author of the PK format is on this list, maybe it is time to enhance that format a bit, concerning those specials? that is, if we can keep backwards compatibility. Enough for now, Cheers Yannis 4-Dec-1994 4:23:26-GMT,2589;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cc.utah.edu by math.utah.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-utah-csc-server) id AA10795; Sat, 3 Dec 94 21:23:23 MST Received: from cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (MAILER@UCBCMSA) by CC.UTAH.EDU with PMDF#10043; Sat, 3 Dec 1994 21:23 MST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU by cmsa.Berkeley.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3550; Tue, 22 Nov 94 02:09:28 PST Received: from CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UCBCMSA) by CMSA.BERKELEY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9494; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 02:09:28 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:53:09 +0000 From: Neil Spencer Subject: A dvi driver for an HP LaserJet 4L Sender: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues To: Multiple recipients of list TWGDVI-L Reply-To: TeX Users Group TWG on DVI Driver Issues Message-Id: <7C8B8251A0013706@CC.UTAH.EDU> X-Envelope-To: beebe@MATH.UTAH.EDU X-To: twgdvi-l@irlearn.ucd.ie I must say that this is the first time I've mailed to this list, and since I joined there seems to have been no correspondence going on, or at least none that I've received. As a result of this, I'm not sure if this is the correct type of message for this list, but here goes anyway. I can use Latex to get a dvi file, but have a Hewlett Packard LaserJet 4L printer that I want to get print-outs from. I have searched the archives for dvi drivers that will convert the dvi file for me, but have only found source files that I am not competant enough to compile or figure out how to compile. I think I should add that I would be running this from MS-DOS Version 5.00 on a 486 IBM compatible PC. If anyone has such a driver in working order that I could have a copy of (with all due deference to copyright law if it applies), then I would be extremely grateful. I can send a disk if electronic transfer is not possible. Alternatively if anyone can provide a completely idiot-proof guide to installing it on my computer from any source files either in an archive or not (again with all due derference to copyright law if it applies), then I would be grateful. Many thanks and apologies if this message is not of a suitable type for this list. Also apologies for any cross-posting that you may come across. With no message traffic to see, it's very hard to guess where this message should go. Neil Spencer, School of Computing, Staffordshire University, College Road, Stoke on Trent, ST4 2DE, England +44 782 573456 e-mail: N.H.Spencer@soc.staffs.ac.uk