3-Jul-1999 14:22:48-GMT,2039;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17822 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA06388 for pdftex-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:10:51 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06385 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:10:47 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02946; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:10:35 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <377E1B73.FF211D37@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 00:17:23 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: disappearing glue bug References: <199906302102.XAA11527@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > ... > \pdfimage produces a whatsit node, so the glue is discarded. From TeXbook, > p.~112: > > Whenever TeX is moving an item from the top of the > ``recent contributions'' to the bottom of the > ``curent page'', it discards a discarable item > (glue, kern, or penelty) if the current page does > not contain any boxes. > No doubt you could, if you wished, make pdftex keep the glue if the current page contains any boxes or any images. In Knuth's scheme of things, whatsits were to be passed on for the dvi driver to deal with, and so they shouldn't influence TeX's typesetting of the rest of the document. But since \pdfimage's do affect what pdftex does, it seems to me illogical to permit the glue to disappear. OK, it is easy enough to box images. Bob Howlett 3-Jul-1999 18:30:59-GMT,2454;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23486 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA06824 for pdftex-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:25:03 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06821 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:25:02 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.61]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA113D; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:24:22 +0200 Message-ID: <377E4316.B59A740@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:06:30 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: disappearing glue bug References: <199906302102.XAA11527@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <377E1B73.FF211D37@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > No doubt you could, if you wished, make pdftex keep the glue if > the current page contains any boxes or any images. > > In Knuth's scheme of things, whatsits were to be passed on for the > dvi driver to deal with, and so they shouldn't influence TeX's > typesetting of the rest of the document. But since \pdfimage's do They definitely do influence the typesetting! I wish they wouldn't. Specials, writes and marks are not without (unwanted and unexpected) side effects. > affect what pdftex does, it seems to me illogical to permit the > glue to disappear. Current/next pdftex will make all object things invisible, which is great, unless one wants all kind of interfering things to happen. Imagine the first page already being filled with whatsits that only serve pdf housekeeping. (actually this is a rather conceptual topic about immediate and defered and used and etc) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Jul-1999 13:58:59-GMT,1708;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18829 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA08211 for pdftex-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:41:48 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08208 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:41:44 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27747; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:41:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <377F661D.5EE39213@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:48:13 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: disappearing glue bug References: <199906302102.XAA11527@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <377E1B73.FF211D37@mail.usyd.edu.au> <377E4316.B59A740@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > > > Current/next pdftex will make all object things invisible, which is > great, unless one wants all kind of interfering things to happen. > Imagine the first page already being filled with whatsits that only > serve pdf housekeeping. > I don't understand what you are saying here. But anyway I think that a \pdfimage ought to considered as a variety of box (as are rules). Bob Howlett 5-Jul-1999 7:11:20-GMT,2564;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11989 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA09273 for pdftex-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:55:43 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (root@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA09270 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:55:40 -0400 Received: from mars.rcode.com.au (s321280.student.uq.edu.au [172.20.146.140]) by bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19196 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:55:33 +1000 (GMT+1000) Received: by mars.rcode.com.au (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:55:17 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:55:17 +1000 From: Tony Keating To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Indexing and merging a number of small pdfs with pdftex Message-ID: <19990705165517.A2160@mars.rcode.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have a number (over 100) of seperate pdf files (containing tables) which need to be merged into a single pdf file, then bookmarked. I have a database which has the individual pdf file, the number of pages in the pdf file (mostly one, but sometimes two), and where in the bookmark tree it is needed (ie. I can construct the bookmark tree using \pdfoutline with goto page x). My first try was to create a single page pdf with pdftex with something like: \pdfoutline goto page 4 {\FitH} {Bookmark} and then merge it with the other pdf files in Acrobat, but pdftex gives me an error: ! Page 4 has been refered to but not created. and the bookmark is not created. If I fill up the pages with blanks will the bookmarks then be created? If so, how? I've tried using \vfil\eject, but it doesn't seem to work. The best way I can see would be to directly include the pdf files into document using \pdfimage or something similar (\includepdf in context?). But I'm not sure how well full pages of pdf would be handled by pdftex. I'd like to pursue this option, as it would save me hand-merging all the pdfs in Acrobat. Do anyone have any ideas or comments? Tony. -- Tony Keating PhD student - DNS/LES of mass transfer/corrosion System Administator - Physical Sciences and Engineering Computing Laboratory Department of Mechanical Engineering, University of Queensland 5-Jul-1999 7:20:04-GMT,2616;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12163 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA09347 for pdftex-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 03:10:42 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA09344 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 03:10:39 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.178]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA42F9; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:10:07 +0200 Message-ID: <378059FD.56B63FEF@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:08:45 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: disappearing glue bug References: <199906302102.XAA11527@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <377E1B73.FF211D37@mail.usyd.edu.au> <377E4316.B59A740@wxs.nl> <377F661D.5EE39213@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > > Hans Hagen wrote: > > Current/next pdftex will make all object things invisible, which is > > great, unless one wants all kind of interfering things to happen. > > Imagine the first page already being filled with whatsits that only > > serve pdf housekeeping. > > > > I don't understand what you are saying here. > But anyway I think that a \pdfimage ought to considered as a > variety of box (as are rules). Rules are not that much a variety of boxes. They are treated differently related to spacing, cannot be undone, unpacked, etc. Images and objects are conceptually new to tex (especially when you consider some aspects not that common in good old tex). I think some years of testing and experimenting is needed to find out what we really want/need. Much depend on developments in the backends. In the next releasse of pdftex an image will be a form, so it's defined, and called upon. The definition is not a whatsit, but the call is. It will behave like pdfrefform. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Jul-1999 12:36:01-GMT,3031;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22447 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA12054 for pdftex-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:57:45 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA12051 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:57:41 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19390; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:57:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26059; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:57:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907061157.NAA26059@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Indexing and merging a number of small pdfs with pdftex In-Reply-To: <19990705165517.A2160@mars.rcode.com.au> from Tony Keating at "Jul 5, 99 04:55:17 pm" To: keating@mech.uq.edu.au (Tony Keating) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:57:36 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have a number (over 100) of seperate pdf files (containing tables) which > need to be merged into a single pdf file, then bookmarked. I have a database > which has the individual pdf file, the number of pages in the pdf file > (mostly one, but sometimes two), and where in the bookmark tree it is > needed (ie. I can construct the bookmark tree using \pdfoutline with goto > page x). > > My first try was to create a single page pdf with pdftex with something like: > > \pdfoutline goto page 4 {\FitH} {Bookmark} > > and then merge it with the other pdf files in Acrobat, but pdftex gives me > an error: > > ! Page 4 has been refered to but not created. > > and the bookmark is not created. If I fill up the pages with blanks will the > bookmarks then be created? If so, how? I've tried using \vfil\eject, but it > doesn't seem to work. > > The best way I can see would be to directly include the pdf files into > document using \pdfimage or something similar (\includepdf in context?). But > I'm not sure how well full pages of pdf would be handled by pdftex. I'd like > to pursue this option, as it would save me hand-merging all the pdfs in > Acrobat. > > Do anyone have any ideas or comments? it could be done by directly including pdf files, however there are two problems with version 0.13d: 1) only the first page of pdf can be included; 2) fonts are copied from pdf images without checking/removing duplicates. In next release of pdftex (0.14a) these problems will be fixed. Version 0.13e has been released for pretesting, but there are so many changes so we have decided to change the version number to 0.14 Thanh 6-Jul-1999 15:10:12-GMT,1835;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26324 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA12546 for pdftex-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:49:11 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de ([194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12539 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:49:10 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2D8C for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:47:34 +0200 Message-ID: <378217D9.8BFF0608@detewe.de> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:51:05 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdfscreen: I18N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id KAA12543 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Could someone please point me in the right direction to internationalize the "pdfscreen"-package? There is at least one word which needs to be translated (\contentsname), maybe others too. How to doi it the best way? Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Wiedmann | Linux: Cordless Technology A/S | If you think speed is dangerous, Köpenicker Str. 180 | use Windows D-10997 Berlin | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Jul-1999 17:37:47-GMT,1646;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01256 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA12939 for pdftex-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:09:52 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12936 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:09:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20275; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:45:18 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:45:18 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Michael Wiedmann cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfscreen: I18N In-Reply-To: <378217D9.8BFF0608@detewe.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Michael Wiedmann wrote: > Could someone please point me in the right direction to internationalize > the "pdfscreen"-package? > > There is at least one word which needs to be translated (\contentsname), > maybe others too. could you give me a list of words that needs to be put differently in different languages like, go back, contents, abstract, title, close, quit, etc. so that it obeys the language option. i need to have the above in different languages, since i don't know any other foreign language other than English (i'm an Indian). radhakrishnan 7-Jul-1999 8:46:52-GMT,1872;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25543 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA14679 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:29:13 -0400 Received: from rufus.fe.up.pt (morgana.fe.up.pt [193.136.30.190]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA14676 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:29:10 -0400 Received: from fe.up.pt (villate@sputnik.fe.up.pt [193.137.28.147]) by rufus.fe.up.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09752; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:26:39 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <37831025.5CB46287@fe.up.pt> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:30:29 +0100 From: "Jaime E. Villate" Organization: Faculdade de Engenharia, Porto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RADHAKRISHNAN C V CC: Michael Wiedmann , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfscreen: I18N References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk RADHAKRISHNAN C V wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Michael Wiedmann wrote: > > > Could someone please point me in the right direction to internationalize > > the "pdfscreen"-package? > could you give me a list of words that needs to be put differently in > different languages like, go back, contents, abstract, title, close, quit, > etc. so that it obeys the language option. When you have the list, send me a copy and I will give you the translation into spanish and portuguese. Jaime Villate P.S.: I've become very fond of pdfscreen. It's a very fast and easy way to create nice documents. 7-Jul-1999 10:00:47-GMT,1446;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27265 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA14897 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:41:29 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA14894 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:41:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16349; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:16:33 +0530 (IST) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:16:33 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: "Jaime E. Villate" cc: Michael Wiedmann , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfscreen: I18N In-Reply-To: <37831025.5CB46287@fe.up.pt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Jaime E. Villate wrote: > When you have the list, send me a copy and I will give you the > translation into spanish and portuguese. will surely send you a list soon. > P.S.: I've become very fond of pdfscreen. It's a very fast and > easy way to create nice documents. gratifying to know that it helps you. radhakrishnan 7-Jul-1999 11:24:05-GMT,1620;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29057 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA15124 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:05:01 -0400 Received: from danube.river-valley.com ([203.129.249.142]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15121 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:04:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14060; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:01:27 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: danube.river-valley.com: cvr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:01:27 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan X-Sender: cvr@danube.river-valley.com To: "Jaime E. Villate" cc: Michael Wiedmann , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfscreen: I18N Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Jaime E. Villate wrote: > When you have the list, send me a copy and I will give you the > translation into spanish and portuguese. Giving below the items for translation into languages known to you: Menu ==== 1. Abstract 2. Contents 3. Home Page 4. Go Back 5. Close 6. Quit 7. Title Page 8. Page n of nn =============== Error Messages: -------------- 1. You've not given any graphic file name for Radhakrishan 7-Jul-1999 12:43:09-GMT,3608;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00849 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 06:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA15443 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:28:32 -0400 Received: from ns.raditex.se (www.raditex.se [192.5.36.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15440 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:28:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (gandalf.raditex.se [192.5.36.18]) by ns.raditex.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04495; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:28:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) To: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in Cc: villate@fe.up.pt, michael.wiedmann@detewe.de, pdftex@tug.org Cc: Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: pdfscreen: I18N From: Rasmus Kaj In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:01:27 +0530 (IST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) X-URL: http://www.e.kth.se/~kaj/ X-Phone: +46 (0)8 - 694 92 80 X-Attribution: Kaj X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <19990707142758Q.kaj@raditex.se> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:27:58 +0200 X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 59 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id IAA15441 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "R" == Radhakrishnan writes: R> Giving below the items for translation into languages known to you: Hi! I haven't actually used pdfscreen (yet), but if you want translations, why not help out ... So, Here's a list of translations to Swedish (sv_SE.ISO_8859-1). Note the usage of å, ä, ö (which should look like 'a' with a small circle above, 'a' with to small dots (close to '"') above, and 'o' with the same small dots above) and Å, Ä, Ö (capital versions of the same letters). R> Menu Meny R> 1. Abstract 1. Sammanfattning R> 2. Contents 2. Innehåll R> 3. Home Page 3. Hemsida R> 4. Go Back 4. Tillbaka R> 5. Close 5. Stäng R> 6. Quit 6. Avsluta R> 7. Title Page 7. Försättsblad R> 8. Page n of nn 8. Sida n av nn Some might be context-sensitive, so just giving the words might not help. For 2. you often say 'Table Of Contents' in English, and that longer form is 'Innehållsförteckning' in Swedish. For 8. the simpler form "n (nn)" is quite common in Swedish. Should the error messages really be translated? Ok, here comes: R> 1. You've not given any graphic file name for "Du har inte gett något bildfilnamn för" is a straight translation, but if it is to be followed by the name of the graphic, this is probably better: "Du har inte get något filnamn för bilden" (which means "You've not given any file name for the graphic"). If anyone else here is native in Swedish (and more used to pdfscreen), comments are welcome. -- Rasmus Kaj ---------------- rasmus@kaj.a.se - http://www.e.kth.se/~kaj/ \ If you're happy, you're successful \--------------------------------------------- http://www.Raditex.se/ 7-Jul-1999 18:18:08-GMT,2433;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11329 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA16500 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:01:17 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16497 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:01:11 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 111w0E-0007JD-00; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:01:02 +0100 Received: from max79.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.79] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 111w0D-0004Ih-00; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:01:02 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14211.38450.781486.533194@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:02:26 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: betlem@strw.leidenuniv.nl Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["H.Betlem" ] In-Reply-To: <199907071610.MAA15969@tug.org> References: <199907071610.MAA15969@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: "H.Betlem" (who needs to join the list of he wants to post to it) sebastian > > My name is Hans Betlem and I am director of the Dutch Meteor Society, an = > amateur organisation in research of meteors and meteorites. > We issue our journal "Radiant, Journal of the Dutch Meteor Society" for = > 20 years now and I am preparing the whole thing as pdf articles on CD. > Between 1989 and 1992 I made journal using an old version (don't know = > which) of LaTeX. > I still have the .tex files but everything of TEX and so on is gone from = > my system and my mind for 7 years now. > Who is able to help me to convert these 193 (rather small) articles, = > most of them only a few pages, into .pdf > Is is easy to do without installing the whole TeX business again; do you = > know somebody who is kindly willing to do this job for me ? > Thanks in advance, > > Hans Betlem > 7-Jul-1999 19:17:50-GMT,3096;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13205 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA16881 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:11:26 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16878 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:11:22 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA19928; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:11:26 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org, betlem@strw.leidenuniv.nl Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["H.Betlem" ] References: <199907071610.MAA15969@tug.org> <14211.38450.781486.533194@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 07 Jul 1999 15:11:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Sebastian Rahtz"'s message of "Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:02:26 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Sebastian Rahtz" writes: > > From: "H.Betlem" (who needs to join the > list of he wants to post to it) > > sebastian > > > > > My name is Hans Betlem and I am director of the Dutch Meteor Society, an = > > amateur organisation in research of meteors and meteorites. > > We issue our journal "Radiant, Journal of the Dutch Meteor Society" for = > > 20 years now and I am preparing the whole thing as pdf articles on CD. > > Between 1989 and 1992 I made journal using an old version (don't know = > > which) of LaTeX. > > I still have the .tex files but everything of TEX and so on is gone from = > > my system and my mind for 7 years now. Why? > > Who is able to help me to convert these 193 (rather small) articles, = > > most of them only a few pages, into .pdf > > Is is easy to do without installing the whole TeX business again; do you = > > know somebody who is kindly willing to do this job for me ? Installing teTeX has gotten a lot easier in the past couple years, and the TeX-using community is very active. pdfTeX also is very exciting--on the comp.text.pdf newsgroup, people are always saying, "I need a way to generate PDF files in batch mode." IMHO, you would be doing yourself a favor by reviving your LaTeX skills. But that aside, it sounds like you are unwilling to install TeX and you just want someone who has pdfTeX installed to run it on your old LaTeX files, right? If that's the case, let me know. I have enough time to do that, if not much else. ... I suspect that most seven-year-old LaTeX code would still be supported, but I may be wrong. I can try running pdflatex on your files, but if it doesn't work, you'll have to do the debugging. :) -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 7-Jul-1999 20:21:48-GMT,1565;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14987 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA17235 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:14:53 -0400 Received: from wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu (IDENT:qmailr@wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu [141.225.11.87]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA17232 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:14:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 22407 invoked by uid 500); 7 Jul 1999 20:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990707203259.22404.qmail@wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu> To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) cc: pdftex@tug.org, betlem@strw.leidenuniv.nl Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["H.Betlem" ] In-Reply-To: Message from ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) of "07 Jul 1999 15:11:26 EDT." Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:32:59 -0500 From: Mate Wierdl Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I still have the .tex files but everything of TEX and so on is gone from = > > my system and my mind for 7 years now. Why? Completely offtopic, but: in our dept, all but one CS faculty write their docs in Word. When asked, they say, it is easier to do, and this is what all the journals want them to do. Mate --- Mate Wierdl | Dept. of Math. Sciences | University of Memphis (Not a CS faculty) 8-Jul-1999 9:27:56-GMT,2185;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03226 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA18808 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:16:19 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA18805 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:16:12 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20097 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:15:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17440 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:15:59 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA05328; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:15:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:15:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907080915.LAA05328@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: \pdfannotlink in horizontal mode only X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Upgrading from 12r to 13d via teTeX-1.0 I found that \pdfannotlink is restricted to horizontal mode only. While I understand that \pdfannotlink should not be used in _vertical_ mode, I would like to know whether there is a reason to forbid its use also in _math_ mode (where we had at least one usable application...). Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt 8-Jul-1999 10:30:40-GMT,2115;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04632 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA19038 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:16:12 -0400 Received: from mediator.uni-c.dk (mediator.uni-c.dk [130.228.12.55]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA19035 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:16:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (recdmj@localhost) by mediator.uni-c.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25246; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:15:17 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:15:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dan_M=F8nster?= To: Radhakrishnan cc: "Jaime E. Villate" , Michael Wiedmann , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfscreen: I18N In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Here's a translation into Danish > Menu > ==== > > 1. Abstract Resumé (Resum\'e) > 2. Contents Indhold > 3. Home Page Hjemmeside > 4. Go Back Gå tilbage (G\aa\ tilbage) > 5. Close Luk > 6. Quit Afslut > 7. Title Page Forside > 8. Page n of nn Side n af nn > > =============== > > Error Messages: > -------------- > > 1. You've not given any graphic file name for 1. Du har ikke angivet et grafikfilnavn til Cheers, Dan __________________________________________________________________ Dan Mønster, Ph.D. E-mail: Dan.Moenster@uni-c.dk UNI·C, Scientific Computing Phone: (+45) 8937 6621 Olof Palmes Allé 38 Fax: (+45) 8937 6677 DK-8200 Århus N, Denmark WWW: http://www.uni-c.dk __________________________________________________________________ 8-Jul-1999 17:11:17-GMT,1603;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14803 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA20162 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:55:24 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20159 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:55:22 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FEK00D019O59J@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FEK00D179O487@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: \cite in a section heading (with hyperref 1999/06/29 6.62) To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The short story is that if \cite is used in a section heading, and bookmarking is turned on, latex (1998/12/01) complains about \@citex not matching it definition. A simple test file (and the corresponding log) that demonstrates the problem is located at: ftp://ftp.ams.org//incoming/hyperref-cite/ Please use the full URL (/incoming is invisible to anonymous users). Thanks, Tom 9-Jul-1999 10:34:05-GMT,1942;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11565 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA21540 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:18:13 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21537 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:18:07 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11117; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:17:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24691; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:18:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907091018.MAA24691@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: \pdfannotlink in horizontal mode only In-Reply-To: <199907080915.LAA05328@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> from Klaus Guntermann at "Jul 8, 99 11:15:58 am" To: guntermann@iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (Klaus Guntermann) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:18:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Upgrading from 12r to 13d via teTeX-1.0 I found that \pdfannotlink is > restricted to horizontal mode only. While I understand that > \pdfannotlink should not be used in _vertical_ mode, I would like to > know whether there is a reason to forbid its use also in _math_ mode > (where we had at least one usable application...). I have no reason to restrict \pdfannotlink not to be used in math mode. I simply thought that it is useless to have it in math mode. this restriction will be removed in next release (0.14a). Thanh 9-Jul-1999 11:15:05-GMT,2432;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12405 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA21629 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:55:33 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21626 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:55:31 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20713; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:55:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19520; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:55:24 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA06866; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:55:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:55:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907091055.MAA06866@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: \pdfannotlink in horizontal mode only In-Reply-To: <199907091018.MAA24691@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199907080915.LAA05328@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> <199907091018.MAA24691@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh writes: > I have no reason to restrict \pdfannotlink not to be used in math > mode. I simply thought that it is useless to have it in math mode. Currently we prepare lecture "slides" with pdf(La)TeX. And the application was to refer from a relation in a later context back to the proof for that. > this restriction will be removed in next release (0.14a). Thank you. Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt 9-Jul-1999 15:50:30-GMT,1693;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19621 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA22489 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:34:42 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22486 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:34:40 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 112cfe-0004Uv-00; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:34:38 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112cfe-0005wF-00; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:34:38 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14214.9391.279147.905657@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:34:55 +0000 (GMT) To: tjk@ams.org Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: \cite in a section heading (with hyperref 1999/06/29 6.62) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky writes: > The short story is that if \cite is used in a section heading, > and bookmarking is turned on, latex (1998/12/01) complains > about \@citex not matching it definition. > I admit it all. it doesn't work. does \protect help? sebastian 9-Jul-1999 16:07:21-GMT,1557;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20134 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA22601 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:51:20 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22598 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:51:18 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FEM002011DHWI@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FEM000PX1DGM4@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: \cite in a section heading (with hyperref 1999/06/29 6.62) In-reply-to: <14214.9391.279147.905657@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk \protect didn't help. Sorry. :( > > > The short story is that if \cite is used in a section heading, > > and bookmarking is turned on, latex (1998/12/01) complains > > about \@citex not matching it definition. > > > > I admit it all. it doesn't work. does \protect help? > 9-Jul-1999 16:32:41-GMT,1351;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21030 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:32:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA22790 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:22:45 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22787 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:22:30 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id RAA18618; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:18:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:18:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199907091618.RAA18618@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tjk@ams.org CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (message from Tom Kacvinsky on Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: \cite in a section heading (with hyperref 1999/06/29 6.62) References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > \protect didn't help. Sorry. :( you can presumably change \section{foo\label{x}} to \section{foo}\label{x} though can't you? (or add a local definition of \let\label\@gobble to a likely looking bit of hyperref) David 9-Jul-1999 17:15:05-GMT,3604;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22389 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23101 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:51:02 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA23098 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:50:59 -0400 Received: from remote142-20.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.20] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 112drN-0004dL-00; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:50:49 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990709185031.359f58c0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:50:31 +0200 To: Tom Kacvinsky , pdfTeX Mailing List From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: \cite in a section heading (with hyperref 1999/06/29 6.62) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 12:55 08.07.1999 -0400, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > >The short story is that if \cite is used in a section heading, >and bookmarking is turned on, latex (1998/12/01) complains >about \@citex not matching it definition. > >A simple test file (and the corresponding log) that demonstrates >the problem is located at: > > ftp://ftp.ams.org//incoming/hyperref-cite/ > >Please use the full URL (/incoming is invisible to anonymous >users). * Bookmarks are a tool for helping the user to navigate through the document. So they should easy and fast to read. Therefore Citations don't make any sense in outline entries. So the best solution would be provide an shorter and clearer entry with the optional argument: \section[...without \cite...]{...with \cite...} Or using one of the replacement techniques for bookmarks: * \texorpdfstring{...with \cite...}{...without \cite...} * Package hypbmsec: \section(...without \cite...){...with \cite} * Other techniques can be used for automatic solutions that shouldn't produce an error, but can live with ugly looking bookmarks: * Redefining \cite with use of \texorpdfstring. The pdf part must be expandable. * There is a hook which you can redefine and disable not working commands while bookmark string processing: Add definitions to \pdfstringdefPreHook: \makeatletter \expandafter\def\expandafter\pdfstringdefPreHook\expandafter{% \pdfstringdefPreHook \let\cite\@gobble } \makeatother >\protect didn't help. Sorry. :( LaTeX optional argument handling isn't expandible because of assignments (\futurelet). Writing bookmarks is similar to writing to a file or expanding in a \edef in TeX. Assignments don't take place, so code that depends on it can break. This is the cause for LaTeX's great effort to provide protecting mechanism (\protect, \DeclareRobustCommand). But in opposite to a table of contents, the protected content is later read by TeX and processed by TeX's stomach. But a pdf viewer have another stomach that don't know something about TeX commands. So LaTeX's protecting mechanism doesn't make sense. Therefore while processing bookmarks \protect have the normal meaning of \relax and is removed silently. Yours sincerely Heiko 9-Jul-1999 21:00:28-GMT,1806;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28991 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA23906 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:54:21 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA23903 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:54:18 -0400 Received: from remote142-160.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.160] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 112heq-0006i1-00; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:54:08 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990709225350.35777168@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:53:50 +0200 To: David Carlisle , tjk@ams.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: \cite in a section heading (with hyperref 1999/06/29 6.62) Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199907091618.RAA18618@nag.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 17:18 09.07.1999 +0100, David Carlisle wrote: > >> \protect didn't help. Sorry. :( > >you can presumably change >\section{foo\label{x}} >to >\section{foo}\label{x} >though can't you? >(or add a local definition of >\let\label\@gobble >to a likely looking bit of hyperref) ?? Where is a problem with \label ?? It is already disabled in \pdfstringdef. Yours sincerely Heiko 9-Jul-1999 22:16:54-GMT,1376;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01347 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA24493 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:06:42 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA24490 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:06:40 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id XAA03486; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:03:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:03:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199907092203.XAA03486@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de CC: tjk@ams.org, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.19990709225350.35777168@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> (message from Heiko Oberdiek on Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:53:50 +0200) Subject: Re: \cite in a section heading (with hyperref 1999/06/29 6.62) References: <3.0.1.16.19990709225350.35777168@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk me> rubbish posting. sorry. probably because it's my birthday old age rotting the brain you know...... David 13-Jul-1999 8:17:17-GMT,2285;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23243 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA04156 for pdftex-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:02:09 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA04153 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:02:05 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA36154 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:02:02 +0200 Message-ID: <378AF3AD.8BE7703@ulg.ac.be> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:07:12 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX liste Subject: hyperlink in TOC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, This is not strictly speaking a pdfTeX question but to a related package. So I am sorry if I disturb you. I got a little problem with the hyperref package version 1999/06/16 6.60. In order to add an hyperlink in the table of content, I use the following command: \makeatletter \let\HyperLiensToc=\manual@addcontentsline \makeatother ... \HyperLiensToc{toc}{chapter}{\numberline{}MonChapitreEtoile} with hyperref 4.06 1996/10/09, that have worked properly with hyperref 1999/06/16 6.60., that does not work. the compilation gives : ! Undefined control sequence. l.199 ^^I\HyperLiensToc {toc}{chapter}{\numberline{}MonChapitreEtoile} Has someone an idea ? Thanks -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. 13-Jul-1999 9:34:18-GMT,1778;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24890 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 03:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA04393 for pdftex-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:20:02 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA04390 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:20:00 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 113yjH-0001QL-00; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:19:59 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 113yjH-0004JX-00; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:19:59 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14219.4833.643109.668943@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:20:17 +0000 (GMT) To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperlink in TOC In-Reply-To: <378AF3AD.8BE7703@ulg.ac.be> References: <378AF3AD.8BE7703@ulg.ac.be> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pierre-Alexandre Blanche writes: > > I got a little problem with the hyperref package version 1999/06/16 > 6.60. > > In order to add an hyperlink in the table of content, I use the > following command: > \makeatletter > \let\HyperLiensToc=\manual@addcontentsline > \makeatother The (undocumented, internal) \manual@addcontentsline was removed from hyperref. Sorry. Plain old \addcontentsline should work now Sebastian 14-Jul-1999 11:47:51-GMT,2721;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04394 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA08304 for pdftex-list; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:33:50 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de (mail.detewe.de [194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08301 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:33:49 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5184 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:32:17 +0200 Message-ID: <378C760F.9796BC86@detewe.de> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:35:43 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex + pslatex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id HAA08302 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, if I use the "pslatex" package and try to create PDF output from the following TeX-source I get error messages about font mismatches: ----- begin example ----- \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage[german]{babel} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \usepackage{pslatex} \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} \begin{document} \section{Test} \begin{itemize} %% look at this item in pdf output \item test ({\ttfamily Test}) \end{itemize} \end{document} ----- end example ----- ----- "pdflatex test.tex" generates these error messages ----- checksum mismatch in local font psyr in virtual font zpzccmry.vf checksum mismatch in local font pzcmi8r in virtual font zpzccmry.vf checksum mismatch in local font ptmr8r in virtual font zpzccmry.vf ----- end ----- Look at the PDF-Output. The closing ")" overlaps "Test" and looks really ugly. The error messages are also shown if I don't use "\ttfamily" though the PDF output shows nothing unusual. I can reproduce this effect using pdftex 0.13d on a Linux Debian system and using pdftex 0.13c from the TeX-Live4-CD (Solaris). Any hints? Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Wiedmann | Linux: Cordless Technology A/S | If you think speed is dangerous, Köpenicker Str. 180 | use Windows D-10997 Berlin | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 15-Jul-1999 14:11:00-GMT,2920;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14586 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA12025 for pdftex-list; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:52:42 -0400 Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12022 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:52:36 -0400 Received: from goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de (goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.28.168]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP id PAA12731; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:51:49 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: <199907151351.PAA02582@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from goedel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de id PAA02582; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:51:49 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: TeX/PDFTeX From: Karsten Tinnefeld Reply-To: Karsten Tinnefeld X-uri: http://ls2-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~tinnefeld/ X-face: *sXD#NpiH+[WIRUfGB;twtnVo=k{4Ev$$s75_Lf~Sw%(A74 `N'EtJI[Z{P'X@60ru7SfQ%.3It!Jw'?UjF ~_B1l-`S:F>h~!,!|ow*.'@nzW.ADJ06j/Mj5NVp3 X-Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik 2, D-44221 Dortmund X-Address: GB IV/323 CS, Baroper Strasse 301, D-44227 Dortmund X-Phone: +49 231 755-4737 oder -2777 (Sekretariat) X-Telefax: +49 231 755-2047 X-public-transport: H-Bahn, Busse 440, 449: Eichlinghofen H-Bahn X-spelling: alte deutsche Rechtschreibung; Warnung: Wenn Sie nach dem August 1998 Rechtschreibunterricht erhalten haben, fragen Sie einen Lehrer nach eventuellen Schaeden durch Lektuere dieser Mail. Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Radhakrishnan , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfscreen: I18N In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:01:27 +0530." Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:21:58 +0200 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Giving below the items for translation into languages known to you: German, also in ISO 8859-1 notation > > Menu Menü > 1. Abstract Zusammenfassung > 2. Contents Inhalt > 3. Home Page Startseite > 4. Go Back Zurück > 5. Close Schließen > 6. Quit Beenden > 7. Title Page Titelseite > 8. Page n of nn Seite n von nn > 1. You've not given any graphic file name for Du hast keinen Dateinamen angegeben für die Grafik -- Karsten Tinnefeld Silence is the perfectest herald of joy: I were but little happy, if I could say how much. 15-Jul-1999 14:33:22-GMT,1942;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15190 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA12136 for pdftex-list; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12133 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:24:30 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15055; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:24:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22076; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:24:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907151424.QAA22076@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex In-Reply-To: <378C760F.9796BC86@detewe.de> from Michael Wiedmann at "Jul 14, 99 01:35:43 pm" To: michael.wiedmann@detewe.de (Michael Wiedmann) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:24:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > if I use the "pslatex" package and try to create PDF output from the > following > TeX-source I get error messages about font mismatches: > > ----- begin example ----- > > \documentclass[12pt]{article} > \usepackage[german]{babel} > \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} > > \usepackage{pslatex} > \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} > > \begin{document} > > \section{Test} > > \begin{itemize} > %% look at this item in pdf output > \item test ({\ttfamily Test}) > \end{itemize} > > \end{document} it will be fixed in 14a. If anyone wants to test, I can put on a pretest version. Thanh 15-Jul-1999 19:03:48-GMT,1621;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22929 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA12864 for pdftex-list; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:54:39 -0400 Received: from jaynet.etown.edu (jaynet.etown.edu [207.87.90.194]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA12861 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:54:34 -0400 From: sanchisgr@etown.edu Message-Id: <199907151854.OAA12861@tug.org> Received: from etown.edu by jaynet.etown.edu via smtpd (for tug.org [158.121.106.10]) with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 18:48:34 UT Received: from DELL3001 ([172.16.32.150]) by acad.etown.edu with SMTP for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:53:13 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:55:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: pushbutton X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I would like to make a button that resets my form and goes to the next page. I am using the following latex code: \PushButton[onclick=this.resetForm(); app.execMenuItem("NextPage");]{Click Here to Begin} It works fine from Acrobat. But if I open the form from inside Netscape, the NextPage command doesn't work. Can anyone help? Gabriela R. Sanchis Department of Mathematical Sciences Elizabethtown College One Alpha Drive Elizabethtown, PA 17022 Phone: (717) 361-1339 E-mail: sanchisgr@acad.etown.edu 15-Jul-1999 22:42:38-GMT,1973;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28909 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13192 for pdftex-list; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:37:02 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13189 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:36:58 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.39]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA45E0; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:36:26 +0200 Message-ID: <378E6277.D3A6942B@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:36:39 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sanchisgr@etown.edu CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pushbutton References: <199907151854.OAA12861@tug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk sanchisgr@etown.edu wrote: > I would like to make a button that resets my form and goes to the > next page. I am using the following latex code: > > \PushButton[onclick=this.resetForm(); > app.execMenuItem("NextPage");]{Click Here to Begin} > > It works fine from Acrobat. But if I open the form from inside > Netscape, the NextPage command doesn't work. Can anyone help? Because netscape is another app than Acrobat. In context we do such things in quite another way; in your approach you can try this.pageNum++ but I must admit I didn't test it. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 16-Jul-1999 10:35:40-GMT,1714;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15668 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA14466 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:24:16 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA14463 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:24:14 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1155A5-0005sw-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:24:13 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1155A5-00041D-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:24:13 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14223.5744.842916.18776@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:24:32 +0000 (GMT) To: sanchisgr@etown.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pushbutton In-Reply-To: <199907151854.OAA12861@tug.org> References: <199907151854.OAA12861@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk sanchisgr@etown.edu writes: > I would like to make a button that resets my form and goes to the > next page. I am using the following latex code: > > \PushButton[onclick=this.resetForm(); > app.execMenuItem("NextPage");]{Click Here to Begin} > ^^^^^^^^ as Hans says, this is specific to Acrobat's menus. maddening, isnt it? sebastian 16-Jul-1999 11:15:32-GMT,2251;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16470 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 05:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA14639 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:02:07 -0400 Received: from host.iinte.edu.pl (host.iinte.edu.pl [157.25.178.27]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14636 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:02:03 -0400 Received: from stas98 ([157.25.180.229]) by host.iinte.edu.pl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13990; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:29:48 +0200 Message-ID: <007101becf7a$93824360$e5b4199d@stas98.iinte.edu.pl> From: "Stanislaw Romanski" To: "Radhakrishnan" , Subject: Odp: pdfscreen: I18N Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:01:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Here you have the Polish version (if you need ...) I use Windows-1250 code page in my mailer, and probably this letter will be converted automatically in some way when you read it - and ISO 8859-2 is the proper coding to be used I believe. So, I add the ASCII codes of the polish-specific characters in the texts, on the right side (in ISO 8859-2 convention). In the case 8859-2 is not likely to be used, you may replace polish-specific characters by the similar latin chars; I put them in parentheses. >> Menu Menu >> 1. Abstract Streszczenie >> 2. Contents Spis tresci 182 (s) >> 3. Home Page Strona glówna 179, 243 (lo) >> 4. Go Back Powrót 243 (o) >> 5. Close Zamknij >> 6. Quit Koniec >> 7. Title Page Strona tytulowa 179 (l) >> 8. Page n of nn Strona n z nn >> 1. You've not given any graphic file name for Nie podano nazwy pliku graficznego Regards, Stanislaw Romanski 16-Jul-1999 12:18:58-GMT,2506;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17895 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA14947 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:09:44 -0400 Received: from jaynet.etown.edu (jaynet.etown.edu [207.87.90.194]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14944 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:09:42 -0400 From: sanchisgr@etown.edu Message-Id: <199907161209.IAA14944@tug.org> Received: from etown.edu by jaynet.etown.edu via smtpd (for tug.org [158.121.106.10]) with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 12:03:39 UT Received: from DELL3001 ([172.16.32.150]) by acad.etown.edu with SMTP; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 9:08:18 -0400 To: Hans Hagen Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pushbutton CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <378E6277.D3A6942B@wxs.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Date sent: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:36:39 +0200 From: Hans Hagen To: sanchisgr@etown.edu Copies to: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pushbutton > sanchisgr@etown.edu wrote: > > > I would like to make a button that resets my form and goes to the > > next page. I am using the following latex code: > > > > \PushButton[onclick=this.resetForm(); > > app.execMenuItem("NextPage");]{Click Here to Begin} > > > > It works fine from Acrobat. But if I open the form from inside > > Netscape, the NextPage command doesn't work. Can anyone help? > > Because netscape is another app than Acrobat. In context we do such > things in quite another way; in your approach you can try this.pageNum++ > but I must admit I didn't test it. > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- That worked wonderfully. Thanks. Gabriela R. Sanchis Department of Mathematical Sciences Elizabethtown College One Alpha Drive Elizabethtown, PA 17022 Phone: (717) 361-1339 E-mail: sanchisgr@acad.etown.edu 16-Jul-1999 16:27:18-GMT,1449;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24294 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA15732 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:10:49 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15729 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:10:44 -0400 Received: (from te@localhost) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA01978; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199907161610.SAA01978@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: michael.wiedmann@detewe.de, thanh@informatics.muni.cz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > if I use the "pslatex" package and try to create PDF output from the > > following > > TeX-source I get error messages about font mismatches: This comes from inconsistencied in the metrics. I have corrected the wrong metrics for teTeX-1.0. > it will be fixed in 14a. If anyone wants to test, I can put on a pretest > version. I don't see anything wrong in pdftex 13d and 13e (using the metrics of teTeX-1.0)... Thomas 16-Jul-1999 17:29:51-GMT,1709;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25993 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA15957 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:20:40 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15954 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:20:37 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02890; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:20:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08783; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:20:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907161720.TAA08783@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex In-Reply-To: <199907161610.SAA01978@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> from Thomas Esser at "Jul 16, 99 06:10:03 pm" To: te@informatik.uni-hannover.de (Thomas Esser) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:20:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > it will be fixed in 14a. If anyone wants to test, I can put on a pretest > > version. > > I don't see anything wrong in pdftex 13d and 13e (using the metrics > of teTeX-1.0)... by debugging I also found out that the checksums are really incorrect. However vftovp reports no problem, so it made me a bit confused. Thanh 16-Jul-1999 18:47:23-GMT,2003;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28355 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA16257 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:39:46 -0400 Received: from mercury.sterlingdi.com (mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16254 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:39:43 -0400 Received: from stargate.sterlingdi.com (stargate.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.3]) by mercury.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16050 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:50:39 -0500 Received: from hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com by stargate.sterlingdi.com via smtpd (for mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 18:31:48 UT Received: from sterlingdi.com (ggmce84.gg.sterlingdi.com [204.105.254.4]) by hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA15971 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:42:03 -0400 Received: from GLASGOW-Message_Server by sterlingdi.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:41:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:41:10 -0400 From: "Richard Schumeyer" To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: epstopdf removes figure captions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id OAA16255 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am generating eps files with matlab that consist of a figure with a caption above it. After epstopdf, the figure is ok but the caption is gone. I appreciate any suggestions. ================================= Rick Schumeyer, Ph.D. Imaging Scientist Direct Radiography Corporation rick.schumeyer@directray.com (302)631-3704 16-Jul-1999 20:05:18-GMT,1863;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00642 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA16678 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:59:53 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16675 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:59:51 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p212.tc19a.metro.MA.tiac.com [207.60.68.213]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23778; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990716155725.01ba2980@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:58:02 -0400 To: Han The Thanh , te@informatik.uni-hannover.de (Thomas Esser) From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) In-Reply-To: <199907161720.TAA08783@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199907161610.SAA01978@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 07:20 PM 7/16/99 +0200, Han The Thanh wrote: > > > it will be fixed in 14a. If anyone wants to test, I can put on a pretest > > > version. > > > > I don't see anything wrong in pdftex 13d and 13e (using the metrics > > of teTeX-1.0)... > >by debugging I also found out that the checksums are really incorrect. However >vftovp reports no problem, so it made me a bit confused. > >Thanh See what I mean about checksums? And about VF not being self-contained? Regards, Berthold. -- Y&Y, Inc. mailto:support@YandY.com http://www.YandY.com (M) 16-Jul-1999 20:58:06-GMT,1631;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02048 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16935 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:53:26 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16932 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:53:23 -0400 Received: from hal9000 (ppp3.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.223]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29535; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:53:14 +0200 Message-ID: <002a01becfcd$e15a2820$dfe030c1@esemetz.fr> From: "Fabrice Popineau" To: "Thomas Esser" , , Cc: References: <199907161610.SAA01978@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:57:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id QAA16933 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I don't see anything wrong in pdftex 13d and 13e (using the metrics > of teTeX-1.0)... Ooops ... I thought I was using teTeX-texmf 1.0. Moreover, I get the same results with TeXLive 4b. Fabrice 16-Jul-1999 22:01:53-GMT,1786;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03767 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA17250 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:58:16 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17247 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:58:14 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 115Fzg-0004yK-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:58:12 +0100 Received: from max54.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.54] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 115Fzf-0003uJ-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:58:11 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14223.37461.648155.430744@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:13:09 +0100 (BST) To: SCHUMERP@sterlingdi.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: epstopdf removes figure captions In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Richard Schumeyer writes: > I am generating eps files with matlab that consist of a figure with > a caption above it. After epstopdf, the figure is ok but the caption > is gone. I appreciate any suggestions. maybe the caption is outside the bounding box? if it isnt as simple as that, post the URL of a sample people can look at. sebastian 17-Jul-1999 11:45:00-GMT,1884;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21963 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA18317 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:38:45 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18314 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:38:43 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.11]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAC95; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:38:11 +0200 Message-ID: <378FBD22.7CE9C780@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:15:46 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Y&Y Help Line CC: Han The Thanh , Thomas Esser , pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex References: <199907161610.SAA01978@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> <4.2.0.58.19990716155725.01ba2980@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Y&Y Help Line wrote: > See what I mean about checksums? And about VF not being self-contained? > > Regards, Berthold. No. But the one thing I don't like about your otherwise superb dvi-drivers is that they do not support VF. Lucky me that pdftex supports them. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 17-Jul-1999 11:48:04-GMT,3096;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22055 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA18359 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:45:34 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18356 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:45:33 -0400 Received: from Y-9W4ZXVHWLQKOV (p10.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.11]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09267; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990717074209.01d28d28@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:44:35 -0400 To: Hans Hagen From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Cc: Han The Thanh , Thomas Esser , pdfTeX In-Reply-To: <378FBD22.7CE9C780@wxs.nl> References: <199907161610.SAA01978@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> <4.2.0.58.19990716155725.01ba2980@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi: At 01:15 AM 7/17/99 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > > See what I mean about checksums? And about VF not being self-contained? > > > > Regards, Berthold. > >No. (1) The message "checksum mismatch" gives only one (1) bit of information (much like a PS printerwithout an error handler --- it either prints or it does not print, but gives no clue as to why). (2) Checksums can be used to "hide" useful information. For example, we use the checksum to hide the first six letters of the name of the encoding (using radix 40). This way an error message can be much more useful. For example: "This DVI file asks for fonts that are assumed to be tex256 (T1) encoded, but your DVI processor is currently reencoding text fonts to texnansi (LY1) encoding" (3) The typical checksum mismatches arise only because the DVI processor (or equivalent) looks at TFMs. In fact there is no good reason for the DVI processor to look at TFMs. DVIPS does it only so it can produce resolution-DEPendent PS code (rounded off to a specified grid). (Which is not a good idea, particularly when creating PS for PDF translation). (4) In the case of VF (assuming you are forced to resort to VF :-), there also is no reason to consult TFMs, IF VFs are "regularized" so as to contain the character advance widths, then there is no need to consult the TFM, and hence no opportunity to create unneccessary errors, or more of these worthless "checksum mismatch" messages. Regards, Berthold. >But the one thing I don't like about your otherwise superb >dvi-drivers is that they do not support VF. Lucky me that pdftex >supports them. Thank you for the feedback (both positive and negative :-) >Hans -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 17-Jul-1999 15:14:39-GMT,1753;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26310 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18816 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:07:29 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18813 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:07:26 -0400 Received: (from te@localhost) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA05015; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:07:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:07:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199907171507.RAA05015@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > by debugging I also found out that the checksums are really incorrect. However > vftovp reports no problem, so it made me a bit confused. The funny thing is that if you run vftovp and vptovf you'll correct the wrong checksums. One of these two programs takes the (correct) checksums from the tfm files rather than using the wrong value from the vf file... Thomas PS: for your amusement, my fixmathptmfonts script: #!/bin/sh cd /tmp TF=`kpsexpand '$TEXMFMAIN'` for i in zptmcm7m zptmcm7t zptmcm7v zptmcm7y \ zptmcmrm zpzccmry zpsycmrv zptmcmr do vftovp $i > $i.vpl; vptovf $i done rm -f rm zp*.tfm zp*.vpl mv -f `ls $TF/fonts/vf/adobe/mathptm` $TF/fonts/vf/adobe/mathptm mv -f `ls $TF/fonts/vf/adobe/mathptmx` $TF/fonts/vf/adobe/mathptmx 17-Jul-1999 15:34:34-GMT,3154;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26794 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18956 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:28:56 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18953 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:28:54 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02407; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:28:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04854; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:28:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907171528.RAA04854@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990717074209.01d28d28@tiac.net> from Y&Y Support Line at "Jul 17, 99 07:44:35 am" To: support@YandY.com (Y&Y Support Line) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:28:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pragma@wxs.nl, thanh@informatics.muni.cz, te@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > (1) The message "checksum mismatch" gives only one (1) bit of information > (much like a PS printerwithout an error handler --- it either prints or it > does > not print, but gives no clue as to why). > > (2) Checksums can be used to "hide" useful information. For example, we use > the checksum to hide the first six letters of the name of the encoding (using > radix 40). This way an error message can be much more useful. For example: > "This DVI file asks for fonts that are assumed to be tex256 (T1) encoded, but > your DVI processor is currently reencoding text fonts to texnansi (LY1) > encoding" > > (3) The typical checksum mismatches arise only because the DVI processor > (or equivalent) looks at TFMs. In fact there is no good reason for the > DVI processor to look at TFMs. DVIPS does it only so it can produce > resolution-DEPendent PS code (rounded off to a specified grid). (Which is > not a good idea, particularly when creating PS for PDF translation). > > (4) In the case of VF (assuming you are forced to resort to VF :-), there also > is no reason to consult TFMs, IF VFs are "regularized" so as to > contain the character advance widths, then there is no need to consult > the TFM, and hence no opportunity to create unneccessary errors, or > more of these worthless "checksum mismatch" messages. I don't think that the warning message "checksum mismatch" is completely worthless. At least the user can be aware that the checksums in particular VF/TFM are really incorrect and he/she may want to fix them. It's not an error message, just a warning and it doesn't affect the output at all. I think it it is be better than just simply ignoring the checksum mismatch silently. Thanh 17-Jul-1999 15:58:27-GMT,2458;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27296 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA19196 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:54:40 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19193 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:54:38 -0400 Received: from Y-9W4ZXVHWLQKOV (p109.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.110]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19236; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:53:38 -0400 To: Han The Thanh From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Cc: pragma@wxs.nl, thanh@informatics.muni.cz, te@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199907171528.RAA04854@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <4.2.0.58.19990717074209.01d28d28@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 05:28 PM 7/17/99 +0200, Han The Thanh wrote: >I don't think that the warning message "checksum mismatch" is completely >worthless. At least the user can be aware that the checksums in particular >VF/TFM are really incorrect and he/she may want to fix them. It's not an error >message, just a warning and it doesn't affect the output at all. I think it >it is be better than just simply ignoring the checksum mismatch silently. This is one of those things I seem to have a very hard time explaining. And then after a few years of trying people will tell me it was obvious :-) Yes, it is good not to ignore checksum mismatches if your systems insists on reading files that make such comparison mandatory. My idea is to *NOT* read such metric files. Then there CAN be no mismatch. It is not my idea to simply suppress mismatches. Instead: (i) avoid them by not reading files you don't really need to read (like TFMs in a DVI driver), and (ii) make the messages more useful (such as hiding information) if you really need to stay on the dark side :-) Regards, Berthold. mailto:support@YandY.com http://www.YandY.com (Y) 17-Jul-1999 18:57:07-GMT,2713;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01293 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA19631 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:49:52 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19628 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:49:50 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07041; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:49:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08770; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:49:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907171849.UAA08770@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> from Y&Y Support Line at "Jul 17, 99 11:53:38 am" To: support@YandY.com (Y&Y Support Line) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:49:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > At 05:28 PM 7/17/99 +0200, Han The Thanh wrote: > > >I don't think that the warning message "checksum mismatch" is completely > >worthless. At least the user can be aware that the checksums in particular > >VF/TFM are really incorrect and he/she may want to fix them. It's not an error > >message, just a warning and it doesn't affect the output at all. I think it > >it is be better than just simply ignoring the checksum mismatch silently. > > This is one of those things I seem to have a very hard time explaining. > And then after a few years of trying people will tell me it was obvious :-) > > Yes, it is good not to ignore checksum mismatches if your systems > insists on reading files that make such comparison mandatory. > > My idea is to *NOT* read such metric files. Then there CAN be no > mismatch. It is not my idea to simply suppress mismatches. > > Instead: (i) avoid them by not reading files you don't really need to read > (like TFMs in a DVI driver), and (ii) make the messages more useful > (such as hiding information) if you really need to stay on the dark side :-) but I do need to read the TFM. Not reading TFM can work only when there are no composited characters in VF (VF is used only for reencoding). In case a character in VF is typeset as a sequence of DVI commands, then reading TFMs is neccesarry. Thanh 17-Jul-1999 22:47:32-GMT,2102;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06265 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA20010 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:41:06 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20007 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:41:05 -0400 Received: from Y-9W4ZXVHWLQKOV (p44.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.45]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04348; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990717183853.02061848@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:40:15 -0400 To: Han The Thanh From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) In-Reply-To: <199907171849.UAA08770@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 08:49 PM 7/17/99 +0200, Han The Thanh wrote: > > Instead: (i) avoid them by not reading files you don't really need to read > > (like TFMs in a DVI driver), and (ii) make the messages more useful > > (such as hiding information) if you really need to stay on the dark > side :-) > >but I do need to read the TFM. Not reading TFM can work only when there are no >composited characters in VF (VF is used only for reencoding). In case a >character in VF is typeset as a sequence of DVI commands, then reading TFMs >is neccesarry. Yes, that is the flaw in the design of VF files that I have been pointing out. Each character should specify its width in the VF file. Then there is no need to read TFM and get potential errors. Of course, one can "regularize" VF files so that this is the case... mailto:support@YandY.com http://www.YandY.com (Y) 18-Jul-1999 3:32:05-GMT,1758;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12206 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA20471 for pdftex-list; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:28:58 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA20468 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:28:56 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 18 Jul 1999 04:28:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:28:54 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Message-ID: <19990718042854.A9201@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4.2.0.58.19990717074209.01d28d28@tiac.net> <199907171528.RAA04854@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net>; from Y&Y Support Line on Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 11:53:38AM -0400 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Y&Y Support Line wrote: > Yes, it is good not to ignore checksum mismatches if your systems > insists on reading files that make such comparison mandatory. > > My idea is to *NOT* read such metric files. Then there CAN be no > mismatch. It is not my idea to simply suppress mismatches. Do you mean you don't want TeX/LaTeX to use TFM files? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland 18-Jul-1999 10:52:27-GMT,2771;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21647 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:52:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA21364 for pdftex-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:46:46 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21361 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:46:44 -0400 Received: from Y-9W4ZXVHWLQKOV (p109.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.110]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11284; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990718063906.01d1e530@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:45:56 -0400 To: Timothy Murphy , pdftex@tug.org From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex In-Reply-To: <19990718042854.A9201@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> <4.2.0.58.19990717074209.01d28d28@tiac.net> <199907171528.RAA04854@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 04:28 AM 7/18/99 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Y&Y Support Line wrote: > > > Yes, it is good not to ignore checksum mismatches if your systems > > insists on reading files that make such comparison mandatory. > > > > My idea is to *NOT* read such metric files. Then there CAN be no > > mismatch. It is not my idea to simply suppress mismatches. > >Do you mean you don't want TeX/LaTeX to use TFM files? :-) a little joke, right? No, (i) TeX uses TFM files, (ii) the DVI or PDF processor uses the actual FONTS. (The problem with DVIPS and other drivers is that they *also* use TFM files, when they do not need to). There is then no opportunity for "checksum mismatches" because only the "source" (TeX) uses the TFMs (which have checksums), while the "consumer" (DVI driver, previewer or whatever) only uses fonts (which do not have checksums). Once you understand this, you may wonder what one can do with checksums so that the space that they take in DVI files is not wasted. Well, you can hide other useful information there, such as the font encoding. Then a sensible check *IS* possible. For text fonts, the DVI processor reencodes the font, and it can use the checksum to check that it is reencoding them the way the font was assumed to be reencoded when the TFM file was created. Regards, Berthold. -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 18-Jul-1999 11:00:50-GMT,2766;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21833 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 05:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA21399 for pdftex-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:51:57 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21395 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:51:56 -0400 Received: from Y-9W4ZXVHWLQKOV (p109.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.110]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13205; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990718064608.01d59180@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 06:51:08 -0400 To: Han The Thanh From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990717183853.02061848@tiac.net> References: <199907171849.UAA08770@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 06:40 PM 7/17/99 -0400, Y&Y Support Line wrote: >Yes, that is the flaw in the design of VF files that I have been pointing out. >Each character should specify its width in the VF file. Then there is no >need to read TFM and get potential errors. Of course, one can "regularize" >VF files so that this is the case... Let me elaborate on that in case it isn't obvious. In the case of TFM files, the advance width is exactly the advance width of the corresponding character in the font. That is, after typesetting the character you (or TeX) is guaranteed that you have moved to the right on the page by the specified amount. With this guarantee, there is no need for the DVI processor to consult the TFM file to know where it is. It would have been wonderful if the same was true of *virtual* fonts as is true of real fonts. That is, that after typesetting a "character" from the virtual font you are guaranteed that you have moved to the right by the amount specified in the metric file for that virtual font. Then again there would be no need for the printer driver/previewer to consult TFM files. It is of course possible to produce VF files that do satisfy this criterion (let's called them "regularized" VF files say). But the standard tools do not do that and the VF format allows an unneccessary degree of freedom in making it possible to create VF files that do not satisfy this constraint. Regards, Berthold. -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 18-Jul-1999 11:51:23-GMT,1714;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22897 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 05:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA21755 for pdftex-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:46:43 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21752 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:46:41 -0400 Received: from max127.public.ox.ac.uk (max127.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.127]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA19102; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:47:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:47:38 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Y&Y Support Line cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990718064608.01d59180@tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Y&Y Support Line wrote: > Let me elaborate on that in case it isn't obvious. In the case of TFM files, What is not obvious to me is what this has to do with pdftex, the subject of this list. Can you take issues on the design of TeX elsewhere? -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 18-Jul-1999 19:43:59-GMT,1885;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03436 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22741 for pdftex-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:37:02 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA22738 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:37:00 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 18 Jul 1999 20:36:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 20:36:58 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex Message-ID: <19990718203658.A22986@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> <4.2.0.58.19990717074209.01d28d28@tiac.net> <199907171528.RAA04854@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> <19990718042854.A9201@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.58.19990718063906.01d1e530@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990718063906.01d1e530@tiac.net>; from Y&Y Support Line on Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 06:45:56AM -0400 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 06:45:56AM -0400, Y&Y Support Line wrote: > > > My idea is to *NOT* read such metric files. Then there CAN be no > > > mismatch. It is not my idea to simply suppress mismatches. ... > There is then no opportunity for "checksum mismatches" because > only the "source" (TeX) uses the TFMs (which have checksums), while > the "consumer" (DVI driver, previewer or whatever) only uses fonts > (which do not have checksums). But surely some fonts at least -- PK and VF -- _do_ have checksums? 18-Jul-1999 20:24:29-GMT,2120;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04451 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA22939 for pdftex-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:20:04 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22936 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:20:02 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 115xPj-0001Qg-00; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:19:59 +0100 Received: from max46.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.46] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 115xPi-0006en-00; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:19:59 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14226.14182.422833.656174@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:21:58 +0100 (BST) To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex + pslatex In-Reply-To: <19990718203658.A22986@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4.2.0.58.19990717114844.02061848@tiac.net> <4.2.0.58.19990717074209.01d28d28@tiac.net> <199907171528.RAA04854@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <19990718042854.A9201@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.58.19990718063906.01d1e530@tiac.net> <19990718203658.A22986@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > > There is then no opportunity for "checksum mismatches" because > > only the "source" (TeX) uses the TFMs (which have checksums), while > > the "consumer" (DVI driver, previewer or whatever) only uses fonts > > (which do not have checksums). > > But surely some fonts at least -- PK and VF -- _do_ have checksums? > Brian Ripley is surely right. Can people flog this to death (again) off the pdftex list? Sebastian Rahtz 18-Jul-1999 20:24:30-GMT,4134;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04453 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA22932 for pdftex-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:19:38 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22929 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:19:35 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 115xPK-0000p6-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:19:34 +0100 Received: from max46.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.46] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 115xPJ-0003tG-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:19:34 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14226.13056.421959.247984@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:03:12 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Berry ] In-Reply-To: <199907171018.GAA18238@tug.org> References: <199907171018.GAA18238@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk **** From: Karl Berry Received: (from karl@localhost) by hub.cs.umb.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14782; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907171018.GAA14782@hub.cs.umb.edu> To: pdftex@tug.org CC: Christophe.Geuzaine@ulg.ac.be Subject: bug in texinfo.tex pdf support There has been some basic support for pdftex in texinfo.tex for a while. A Texinfo user reported the bug below and I'm hoping someone can easily fix it. I've never looked at pdftex and acroread didn't understand the pdftex-l.pdf file I downloaded. You can get the latest texinfo.tex from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/texinfo.tex -- the relevant definition is this: \def\pdfmkdest#1{\pdfdest name{#1@} xyz} Since I messed with the pdf definitions that were submitted to me, I take full responsibility for introducing the bug (I don't know if I actually did or not, but it seems likely), and am throwing myself on your mercy, pleading to be shown the errors of my ways :). Thanks, Karl Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:03:39 +0200 From: Christophe Geuzaine To: bug-texinfo@gnu.org Subject: pdf and @image Hi! I'm using pdfTeX (version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1), from the teTeX-1.0 distribution) together with texinfo.tex (version 1999-07-06.19). ... 2) I also get the following warnings for all the section/subsections of my second chapter. (The same kind of messages came up when I compiled the original texinfo documentation available in http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/texinfo/texinfo-texi.tgz -> you can test it on this example) [2] [3] [4] (Copying Conditions) (Introduction) Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier (name{1@}) already exists! \pdfmkdest #1->\pdfdest name{#1@} xyz \onepageout ...i \ifpdf \pdfmkdest {\the \pageno } \fi \ifcropmarks \egroup \... {\onepageout {\pagecontents \PAGE } } \footnoteno \supereject ->\par \penalty -20000\footnoteno =0 \pchapsepmacro ->\chappager \ifodd \pageno \else \hbox to 0pt{} \chappager \fi ... l.169 @unnumbered Introduction [1] This is not dramatic, but the structuring of the chapter in the pdf output is wrong. Best regards, -- Christophe Geuzaine Tel: +32-(0)4-366.37.10 mailto:Christophe.Geuzaine@ulg.ac.be Fax: +32-(0)4-366.29.10 http://www.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~geuzaine/ 19-Jul-1999 9:06:10-GMT,2377;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21648 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 03:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA24218 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:57:53 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA24215 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:57:51 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.105]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4D4A; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:57:19 +0200 Message-ID: <3792D726.F40DAB2E@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:43:34 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Berry ] References: <199907171018.GAA18238@tug.org> <14226.13056.421959.247984@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > \def\pdfmkdest#1{\pdfdest name{#1@} xyz} > \pdfmkdest #1->\pdfdest name{#1@} > xyz > \onepageout ...i \ifpdf \pdfmkdest {\the \pageno } [2] [3] [4] (Copying Conditions) (Introduction) Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier (name{1@}) already exists! I'm unfamiliar with the package used, but it looks like chapter n is reported to be output on page 1 (expanding into 1@) while actually it is on page 5 (after [4]), so it more looks like some other macros (pagenumbering, cross referencing) is doing something wrong. Using the chapter number instead of page number makes more sense btw, because two chapter starting on the same page (and whatever thing using links on the sam epage) would issue the same message. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Jul-1999 12:11:36-GMT,1604;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25722 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 06:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA24666 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:01:19 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24663 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:01:17 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 116C6e-00068W-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:01:16 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 116C6d-0006s7-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:01:16 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14227.8624.573102.740829@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:01:36 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: support for pdftex 0.14 test release X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk If any of you have been trying out 0.14 at Thanh's request, please note the existence of http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex.def http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip if you use hyperref, or the LaTeX graphics package. These updates support 0.14 syntax. Sebastian 19-Jul-1999 14:12:18-GMT,1616;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28579 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA24973 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:57:22 -0400 Received: from lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:sanders@lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.96.32]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24970 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:57:20 -0400 Received: (from sanders@localhost) by lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09041; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:57:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:57:12 -0400 From: Michael Sanders To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: support for pdftex 0.14 test release Message-ID: <19990719095712.A8989@umich.edu> Reply-To: Michael Sanders Mail-Followup-To: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org References: <14227.8624.573102.740829@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz of Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 01:01:36PM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk These *are* down-compatible, right? -- (T.) Michael Sanders internet: sanders@umich.edu Physics Department URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders University of Michigan phone: 734/936-0799 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1120 FAX: 734/764-6843 19-Jul-1999 14:44:36-GMT,3365;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29440 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25127 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:30:58 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25124 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:30:56 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id HAA12414; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:30:39 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma012385; Mon Jul 19 07:30:21 1999 Received: from azu-public1.aes.com ([159.4.100.109]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA54487; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:30:20 -0700 Received: by azu-public1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:30:20 -0700 Message-ID: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B46A@azu-mail2.aes.com> From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: "'Hans Hagen'" , Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:30:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I see the same warning/error regularly. It appears to be caused by the hyperref package using the TeX/Latex page number to construct the pdf destination identifier. So if one has frontmatter numbered in lc Roman (e.g. i, ii, iii, ...) and main matter numbered in Arabic (1, 2, 3,...) page i and page 1 get the same identifier. I haven't figured a workaround :-( -----Original Message----- From: Hans Hagen [mailto:pragma@wxs.nl] Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:44 AM To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Berry ] Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > \def\pdfmkdest#1{\pdfdest name{#1@} xyz} > \pdfmkdest #1->\pdfdest name{#1@} > xyz > \onepageout ...i \ifpdf \pdfmkdest {\the \pageno } [2] [3] [4] (Copying Conditions) (Introduction) Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier (name{1@}) already exists! I'm unfamiliar with the package used, but it looks like chapter n is reported to be output on page 1 (expanding into 1@) while actually it is on page 5 (after [4]), so it more looks like some other macros (pagenumbering, cross referencing) is doing something wrong. Using the chapter number instead of page number makes more sense btw, because two chapter starting on the same page (and whatever thing using links on the sam epage) would issue the same message. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Jul-1999 14:51:40-GMT,1601;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29591 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25259 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:44:41 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25256 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:44:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 116Eej-0003l9-00; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:44:37 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 116Eej-0002II-00; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:44:37 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14227.18425.871026.444142@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:44:57 +0000 (GMT) To: sanders@umich.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: support for pdftex 0.14 test release In-Reply-To: <19990719095712.A8989@umich.edu> References: <14227.8624.573102.740829@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990719095712.A8989@umich.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael Sanders writes: > These *are* down-compatible, right? Yes, I very much hope so. If not, tell me! I havent tested them much (which is why they are not on CTAN) sebastian 19-Jul-1999 14:53:47-GMT,1968;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29656 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25244 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:43:44 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25241 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:43:42 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 116Edo-0000OI-00; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:43:40 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 116Edo-00017n-00; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:43:40 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14227.18368.621297.968903@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:44:00 +0000 (GMT) To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com Cc: pragma@wxs.nl, pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] In-Reply-To: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B46A@azu-mail2.aes.com> References: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B46A@azu-mail2.aes.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Wroth, Mark writes: > I see the same warning/error regularly. It appears to be caused by the > hyperref package using the TeX/Latex page number to construct the pdf > destination identifier. So if one has frontmatter numbered in lc Roman > (e.g. i, ii, iii, ...) and main matter numbered in Arabic (1, 2, 3,...) page > i and page 1 get the same identifier. > > I haven't figured a workaround :-( thats because you haven't tried "hypertexnames=false" Sebastian 19-Jul-1999 15:29:55-GMT,2445;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00643 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25792 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:22:15 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25789 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:22:11 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.136]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA62C7; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:21:37 +0200 Message-ID: <3793427E.C4F9AE09@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:21:34 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Wroth, Mark" CC: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] References: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B46A@azu-mail2.aes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Wroth, Mark wrote: > I see the same warning/error regularly. It appears to be caused by the > hyperref package using the TeX/Latex page number to construct the pdf > destination identifier. So if one has frontmatter numbered in lc Roman > (e.g. i, ii, iii, ...) and main matter numbered in Arabic (1, 2, 3,...) page > i and page 1 get the same identifier. > > I haven't figured a workaround :-( Well, I'm not supposed to provide one, but you could try to add: \def\romannumeral{r:} right before the lines that deal with the dest and the annot (use grouping). Then use the folio macro instead of pageno one, i.e. the pageno then becomes r:pageno which is unique enough. (I don't have access to the code). A proper solution would mean a complete redesign, because in complicated docs there is much more to deal with, Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Jul-1999 15:36:38-GMT,2204;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00795 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:36:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25632 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:14:48 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25629 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:14:45 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.136]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5AD8; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:14:10 +0200 Message-ID: <3793331F.2E027318@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:16:00 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: support for pdftex 0.14 test release References: <14227.8624.573102.740829@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > If any of you have been trying out 0.14 at Thanh's request, please > note the existence of > > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex.def > http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip > > if you use hyperref, or the LaTeX graphics package. These updates > support 0.14 syntax. The updated metapost support will be available when I officially upload the new context release which is when pdftex v 14 is released officially which is when the manual is updated which is what I'm doing currently. [A next release of context will support shading, dual res figures, arbitrary clipping and some more as can be seen in johan.pdf at the context beta page.] Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Jul-1999 15:39:53-GMT,1914;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00897 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25892 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:29:51 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25889 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:29:49 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 116FMN-0005KN-00; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:29:43 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 116FMN-0001Ul-00; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:29:43 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14227.21131.33576.993059@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:30:03 +0000 (GMT) To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] In-Reply-To: <3793427E.C4F9AE09@wxs.nl> References: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B46A@azu-mail2.aes.com> <3793427E.C4F9AE09@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > right before the lines that deal with the dest and the annot (use > grouping). Then use the folio macro instead of pageno one, i.e. the > pageno then becomes r:pageno which is unique enough. (I don't have > access to the code). of course you do! that is in the pdftex distribution, pdftexinfo.tex. in hyperref, "hypertexnames=false" just uses an absolute page number as the target. sebastian 19-Jul-1999 15:52:30-GMT,1875;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01228 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:52:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26045 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:44:05 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26042 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:44:02 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.136]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4919; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:43:22 +0200 Message-ID: <37934797.9585D031@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:43:19 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] References: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B46A@azu-mail2.aes.com> <3793427E.C4F9AE09@wxs.nl> <14227.21131.33576.993059@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > of course you do! that is in the pdftex distribution, > pdftexinfo.tex. Ah. I'll have a look later if the problem is persistent. I always only unzip the pdfetex binary and the pool file -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Jul-1999 15:57:19-GMT,1880;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01357 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26051 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:44:14 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26048 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:44:12 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.136]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2866; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:43:40 +0200 Message-ID: <3793436E.1C14C771@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:25:34 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: sanders@umich.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: support for pdftex 0.14 test release References: <14227.8624.573102.740829@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990719095712.A8989@umich.edu> <14227.18425.871026.444142@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Michael Sanders writes: > > These *are* down-compatible, right? > > Yes, I very much hope so. If not, tell me! I havent tested them much > (which is why they are not on CTAN) It depends on how much you do with objects and annots and attributes and so on. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Jul-1999 16:06:00-GMT,1977;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01604 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26180 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:56:16 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26177 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:56:14 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03890; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10701; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907191556.RAA10701@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] In-Reply-To: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B46A@azu-mail2.aes.com> from "Wroth, Mark" at "Jul 19, 99 07:30:17 am" To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I see the same warning/error regularly. It appears to be caused by the > hyperref package using the TeX/Latex page number to construct the pdf > destination identifier. So if one has frontmatter numbered in lc Roman > (e.g. i, ii, iii, ...) and main matter numbered in Arabic (1, 2, 3,...) page > i and page 1 get the same identifier. > > I haven't figured a workaround :-( a workaround I added for texinfo is to turn off marking pages by \pdfdest until @end titlepage is searched. Perhaps something alike may help. Thanh 19-Jul-1999 16:31:54-GMT,2603;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02412 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA26408 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:08:03 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26404 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:07:57 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id JAA18372; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:07:34 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018309; Mon Jul 19 09:06:27 1999 Received: from azu-public1.aes.com ([159.4.100.109]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA56191; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:06:26 -0700 Received: by azu-public1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:06:26 -0700 Message-ID: <7425413E521FD311BFB800805F15266720B471@azu-mail2.aes.com> From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: "'Sebastian Rahtz'" , "Wroth, Mark" Cc: pragma@wxs.nl, pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:06:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Updating hyperref appears to have fixed the problem. (I say "appears" because there are some other, apparently unrelated, issues with the document in question). Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Rahtz [mailto:sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:44 AM To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com Cc: pragma@wxs.nl; pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Karl Be rry ] Wroth, Mark writes: > I see the same warning/error regularly. It appears to be caused by the > hyperref package using the TeX/Latex page number to construct the pdf > destination identifier. So if one has frontmatter numbered in lc Roman > (e.g. i, ii, iii, ...) and main matter numbered in Arabic (1, 2, 3,...) page > i and page 1 get the same identifier. > > I haven't figured a workaround :-( thats because you haven't tried "hypertexnames=false" Sebastian 19-Jul-1999 22:34:48-GMT,1437;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13257 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA28635 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:19:31 -0400 Received: from villi.usask.ca (IDENT:root@villi.usask.ca [128.233.17.87]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28632 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:19:29 -0400 From: ildar@villi.usask.ca Received: from localhost (ildar@localhost) by villi.usask.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10681; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:12:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:12:01 -0600 (CST) To: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyperref + pdfscreen Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >are you using ams classes? ams section macros clash with pdfscreen. > >will find the solution soon. > >radhakrishnan Unfortunately, this problem appears in simple article class as well. This is very unpleasant situation as it appears in "stable" version. Is it really necessary to downgrade to previous version of hyperref to be able to use pdfscreen? I don't have enough experience in lowlevel LaTeX to fix the problem myself. Sincerely Ildar 20-Jul-1999 0:54:42-GMT,2291;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17076 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA28978 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:39:06 -0400 Received: from villi.usask.ca (IDENT:root@villi.usask.ca [128.233.17.87]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA28975 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:39:03 -0400 From: ildar@villi.usask.ca Received: from localhost (ildar@localhost) by villi.usask.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11018; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:31:50 -0600 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:31:49 -0600 (CST) To: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyperref + pdfscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 ildar@villi.usask.ca wrote: > >are you using ams classes? ams section macros clash with pdfscreen. > > > >will find the solution soon. > > > >radhakrishnan > > Unfortunately, this problem appears in simple article class as well. > This is very unpleasant situation as it appears in "stable" version. > Is it really necessary to downgrade to previous version of hyperref > to be able to use pdfscreen? I don't have enough experience in > lowlevel LaTeX to fix the problem myself. The following are the offending lines in pdfscreen.sty \def\@sect#1#2#3#4#5#6[#7]#8{\setcounter{slevel}{#2}% \def\@currentlabelname{#7}% \old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8}{#2}}% } If I comment this out, I get correct section headings. Well, almost. The colors are a bit messed up. But the Contents becomes completely empty as a result. This piece of code is general for all style options used, not only for ams packages. I am not sure, but it appears that this problem started after upgrade to the latest pdftex (13d?) and hyperref. I did this two upgrades at the same time. Hope this information helps someone to fix otherwise excellent and much needed package. Sincerely Ildar 20-Jul-1999 3:49:19-GMT,1552;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21487 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA29348 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:34:45 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29345 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:34:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAB00540; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:10:21 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:10:20 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: ildar@villi.usask.ca cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyperref + pdfscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 ildar@villi.usask.ca wrote: > Unfortunately, this problem appears in simple article class as well. > This is very unpleasant situation as it appears in "stable" version. > Is it really necessary to downgrade to previous version of hyperref > to be able to use pdfscreen? I don't have enough experience in > lowlevel LaTeX to fix the problem myself. could you please send me a small example file? i shall have a look and see what i can do? radhakrishnan 20-Jul-1999 3:53:16-GMT,1769;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21573 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA29360 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:39:30 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29357 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:39:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24222; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:15:15 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:15:14 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: ildar@villi.usask.ca cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyperref + pdfscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 ildar@villi.usask.ca wrote: > > The following are the offending lines in pdfscreen.sty > > \def\@sect#1#2#3#4#5#6[#7]#8{\setcounter{slevel}{#2}% > \def\@currentlabelname{#7}% this is the old version of pdfscreen.sty, not the revised. upgrade both pdfscreen and hyperref or revert to older versions of both. > > \old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8}{#2}}% > } > upgrade to the latest pdftex (13d?) and hyperref. > I did this two upgrades at the same time. newer version of hyperref.sty has this code in it and as such it is reduntant in pdfscreen.sty and can cause error. so get the newer version of pdfscreen.sty. radhakrishnan 20-Jul-1999 8:53:15-GMT,1962;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28825 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA31043 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 04:21:12 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA31040 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 04:21:09 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 116V99-0005zE-00; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:21:07 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 116V99-0005rd-00; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:21:07 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14228.16279.714328.56833@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:21:27 +0000 (GMT) To: ildar@villi.usask.ca Cc: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in, pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyperref + pdfscreen In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ildar@villi.usask.ca writes: > Unfortunately, this problem appears in simple article class as well. > This is very unpleasant situation as it appears in "stable" version. > Is it really necessary to downgrade to previous version of hyperref > to be able to use pdfscreen? I don't have enough experience in > lowlevel LaTeX to fix the problem myself. You should quote version numbers/dates of pdfscreen and hyperref. I am pretty sure that the latest versions of both work properly with typical document classes. Sebastian 20-Jul-1999 14:36:34-GMT,1880;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06990 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA00610 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:18:59 -0400 Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00607 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:18:58 -0400 Received: from pviton ([128.146.236.105]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA15960 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990720101025.0091f530@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:10:25 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: tt fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've just upgraded a very old version of pdftex to 13-d, from Fabrice Popineau's win32 standalone distribution. Is there a problem with true-type fonts here? Under win-nt-4 (sp5) I tried a tiny document containing only cmr10. Then: a. using type-1 fonts everything is fine, so I seem to have installed pdftex correctly. b. using truetype fonts from either the Bakoma or the TrueTeX (Kinch) distributions generates an "access violation" error, precisely when cmr10 is being read. Is there something I've missed? Under my older version (executables dated 11/98) truetype didn't work right (ligatures not rendered) but at least the system didn't crash. Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 20-Jul-1999 16:07:01-GMT,1574;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09795 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA01169 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:50:20 -0400 Received: from acad.etown.edu (etown.edu [207.87.88.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01165 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:50:19 -0400 From: sanchisgr@etown.edu Message-Id: <199907201550.LAA01165@tug.org> Received: from DELL3001 (SANCHIS [172.16.114.44]) by acad.etown.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PJLHHDVX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:51:45 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:52:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: line break in a textfield References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk How do I insert a line break in a multiline text field? I tried \TextField[multiline,width=1.5in,default={some text\\some more text},name=Name]{} but it says that use of \@TextField doesn't match its definition. Gabriela R. Sanchis Department of Mathematical Sciences Elizabethtown College One Alpha Drive Elizabethtown, PA 17022 Phone: (717) 361-1339 E-mail: sanchisgr@acad.etown.edu 20-Jul-1999 20:55:48-GMT,1602;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19300 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA02641 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:38:57 -0400 Received: from villi.usask.ca (IDENT:root@villi.usask.ca [128.233.17.87]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02638 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:37:56 -0400 From: ildar@villi.usask.ca Received: from localhost (ildar@localhost) by villi.usask.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11789; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:30:02 -0600 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:30:02 -0600 (CST) To: Radhakrishnan cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyperref + pdfscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Radhakrishnan wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 ildar@villi.usask.ca wrote: > > > to be able to use pdfscreen? I don't have enough experience in > > lowlevel LaTeX to fix the problem myself. > > here is the newer version of pdfscreen.sty, if you happened to miss it. > > radhakrishan > Thanks a lot. This version works fine with hyperref v6.60, I did not checked yet ams styles though. Hyperref and pdfscreen is a really good pair when they work together. Good job. Sincerely Ildar 21-Jul-1999 14:14:04-GMT,2382;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14372 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05387 for pdftex-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:57:04 -0400 Received: from mercury.sterlingdi.com (mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05384 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:57:01 -0400 Received: from stargate.sterlingdi.com (stargate.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.3]) by mercury.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03630 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:08:19 -0500 Received: from hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com by stargate.sterlingdi.com via smtpd (for mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 13:48:24 UT Received: from sterlingdi.com (ggmce84.gg.sterlingdi.com [204.105.254.4]) by hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09747 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:00:06 -0400 Received: from GLASGOW-Message_Server by sterlingdi.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:59:13 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:58:54 -0400 From: "Richard Schumeyer" To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: epstopdf and gs 5.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id JAA05385 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I upgraded to Aladdin gs 5.50 at the suggestion of David Cox, and this fixed the problem of captions being cut off. However, now I'm having a different problem: If I use acroread to view the pdf files resulting from epstopdf, they look fine (See attached file bp1845.pdf). Next, I run pdflatex on the tex file that includes these images. When I view the final pdf file, the images are all black and white (See main.pdf). I am running pdfTeX 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) gs 5.50 epstopdf 2.5 Thank you for any help. ================================= Rick Schumeyer, Ph.D. Imaging Scientist Direct Radiography Corporation rick.schumeyer@directray.com (302)631-3704 21-Jul-1999 20:15:05-GMT,2846;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25234 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06774 for pdftex-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:04:06 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06771 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:04:04 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1172aw-0003gs-00; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:04:02 +0100 Received: from max11.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.11] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1172av-00018D-00; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:04:01 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14230.10108.47609.503669@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:03:08 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: boehme@eis.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: pagecolor In-Reply-To: <199907211648.MAA06274@tug.org> References: <199907211648.MAA06274@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Helge Boehme posted the following (Helge, please subscribe if you want to post) sebastian > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Helge_B=F6hme?= > Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Helge_B=F6hme?= > To: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: Re: setting background colour > In-Reply-To: <3795E417.3ECF0D33@tu-bs.de> > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hello! > > I've added some code to pdftex.def [1999/07/19 v0.02m] to support > \pagecolor. It works fine with foiltex and A4 (I haven't verified other > classes nor paper sizes). I must give some further notes about it: > > - I'm usually not a class file writer, so maybe this code is a *bad* > hack. > > - The size of the rectangle to fill the page is not calculated, I've used > a rectangle large enough for A4 (cropping is done by the pdf viewer). > > Maybe someone will test it for future adaptions of pdftex.def... > > This is the code: > > \def\set@page@color{% > \global\let\current@page@color\current@color% > \expandafter\ifx\csname begindvi@color\endcsname\relax% > \gdef\begindvi@color{% > \pdfliteral{q \current@page@color\space 1 i -1000 -1000 2000 2000 re f Q}% > \gdef\@begindvi{\begindvi@color}% > }% > \AtBeginDvi{\begindvi@color}% > \fi > } > > Helge > 22-Jul-1999 8:56:46-GMT,1761;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12428 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA08220 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:43:45 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA08217 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:43:43 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 117ES5-0002gH-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:43:41 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 117ES5-00042h-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:43:41 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14230.59362.479783.712478@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:44:02 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Wang Lei ] In-Reply-To: <199907220242.WAA07540@tug.org> References: <199907220242.WAA07540@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Wang Lei I now using CJK with pdflatex. Everything seems fine when I using the type1 fonts. But, when I use the hbf fonts (using hbf2pk to get pk fonts), pdflatex can not works. I use pdftex 13c. Who know about it? May or how I generate a map file about these CJK hbf fonts? Wang 22-Jul-1999 16:45:31-GMT,1748;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23115 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA10061 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:22:14 -0400 Received: from villi.usask.ca (IDENT:root@villi.usask.ca [128.233.17.87]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10058 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:22:04 -0400 From: ildar@villi.usask.ca Received: from localhost (ildar@localhost) by villi.usask.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16963; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:14:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:14:30 -0600 (CST) To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org, boehme@eis.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: Re: pagecolor In-Reply-To: <14230.10108.47609.503669@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > I've added some code to pdftex.def [1999/07/19 v0.02m] to support > > \pagecolor. It works fine with foiltex and A4 (I haven't verified other > > classes nor paper sizes). I must give some further notes about it: > > > > - I'm usually not a class file writer, so maybe this code is a *bad* > > hack. > > > > - The size of the rectangle to fill the page is not calculated, I've used > > a rectangle large enough for A4 (cropping is done by the pdf viewer). > > > > Maybe someone will test it for future adaptions of pdftex.def... It works with pdfscreen.sty. Ildar 22-Jul-1999 22:46:20-GMT,2519;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05663 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA11677 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:39:49 -0400 Received: from mercury.sterlingdi.com (mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11674 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:39:48 -0400 Received: from stargate.sterlingdi.com (stargate.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.3]) by mercury.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA32115 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:51:12 -0500 Received: from hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com by stargate.sterlingdi.com via smtpd (for mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 22:31:00 UT Received: from sterlingdi.com (ggmce84.gg.sterlingdi.com [204.105.254.4]) by hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25713 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:42:56 -0400 Received: from GLASGOW-Message_Server by sterlingdi.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:41:59 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:41:34 -0400 From: "Richard Schumeyer" To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Problem with epstopdf and pdflatex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id SAA11675 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I was having the problem that epstopdf would remove figure captions from my eps images. I upgraded to gs 5.50 and this problem went away. However, now there is a new problem. Let's say I have an image in x.eps. I run "epstopdf x.eps x.pdf". When I view x.pdf via "acroread x.pdf" everything looks great. Next, I include x.pdf in a tex file and run pdflatex. When I view the resulting pdf file, the image is really screwed up. I am frankly not sure how to desctibe it. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated! Since the files are too big to attach, they are available on the web for anyone who is kind enough to help me! See www.delanet.com/~schumerp/test Thank you for any help. ================================= Rick Schumeyer, Ph.D. Imaging Scientist Direct Radiography Corporation rick.schumeyer@directray.com (302)631-3704 23-Jul-1999 9:49:11-GMT,2395;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20827 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 03:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA13064 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:38:05 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA13061 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:38:03 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07816; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:38:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13283; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:37:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907230937.LAA13283@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Problem with epstopdf and pdflatex In-Reply-To: from Richard Schumeyer at "Jul 22, 99 06:41:34 pm" To: SCHUMERP@sterlingdi.com (Richard Schumeyer) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:37:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I was having the problem that epstopdf would remove figure captions from my > eps images. I upgraded to gs 5.50 and this problem went away. > > However, now there is a new problem. Let's say I have an image in x.eps. I run > "epstopdf x.eps x.pdf". When I view x.pdf via "acroread x.pdf" everything > looks great. > > Next, I include x.pdf in a tex file and run pdflatex. When I view the > resulting pdf file, the image is really screwed up. I am frankly not sure how > to desctibe it. > > Any suggestions would be very much appreciated! > > Since the files are too big to attach, they are available on the web for > anyone who is kind enough to help me! See www.delanet.com/~schumerp/test this is a bug of xpdf. The latest version of xpdf (0.90pre1) has it fixed, but neither xpdf-0.90 nor pdftex-0.14a is not released yet. I can put on a pretest of 0.14a if you need, but be aware that there are many changes in this version. We want to release it when the manual and binaries for distributions are ready. Thanh 23-Jul-1999 10:46:28-GMT,2032;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22076 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA13321 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:36:43 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13318 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:36:41 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11078 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:36:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15525; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:36:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907231036.MAA15525@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Wang Lei ] (fwd) To: ygy@.LOCAL.amt.ac.cn Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:36:34 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Wang Lei > > > I now using CJK with pdflatex. Everything seems fine when > I using the type1 fonts. But, when I use the hbf fonts (using > hbf2pk to get pk fonts), pdflatex can not works. > I use pdftex 13c. Who know about it? May or how I generate > a map file about these CJK hbf fonts? when you have MKTEXPK = 1 in your web2c config file (texmf.cnf), pdftex should call mktexpk script to generate missing PK fonts. If there is type1 or truetype version of the fonts, it would be better to use the outlines fonts instead of PK fonts, as they look really ugly with Acrobat Reader. I don't know anything about hbf fonts. Are they bitmaped fonts? Thanh 23-Jul-1999 11:49:24-GMT,2781;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23398 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 05:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA13693 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:33:47 -0400 Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.4.42]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13690 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:30:55 -0400 Received: from goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de (goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.28.168]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP id NAA08914 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:30:44 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: <199907231130.NAA07399@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from goedel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de id NAA07399; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:30:43 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Karsten Tinnefeld Reply-To: Karsten Tinnefeld X-uri: http://ls2-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~tinnefeld/ X-face: *sXD#NpiH+[WIRUfGB;twtnVo=k{4Ev$$s75_Lf~Sw%(A74 `N'EtJI[Z{P'X@60ru7SfQ%.3It!Jw'?UjF ~_B1l-`S:F>h~!,!|ow*.'@nzW.ADJ06j/Mj5NVp3 X-Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik 2, D-44221 Dortmund X-Address: GB IV/323 CS, Baroper Strasse 301, D-44227 Dortmund X-Phone: +49 231 755-4737 oder -2777 (Sekretariat) X-Telefax: +49 231 755-2047 X-public-transport: H-Bahn, Busse 440, 449: Eichlinghofen H-Bahn X-spelling: alte deutsche Rechtschreibung; Warnung: Wenn Sie nach dem August 1998 Rechtschreibunterricht erhalten haben, fragen Sie einen Lehrer nach eventuellen Schaeden durch Lektuere dieser Mail. To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ftp fs structure Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:30:43 +0200 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Thanh, I have just recognized that besides the usual pdftex-beta directory there is still a ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex containing 1997 pdftex binaries, suggesting these files are not that as beta as the newer ones are. Would you really recommend anyone to still use them? Discussion on this list encourages the believe that the most conservative user should stay with a very early version of 1.13d. Thus I'd recommend removing/renaming the directory. Or do I miss some point? Greetings, -- Karsten Tinnefeld Silence is the perfectest herald of joy: I were but little happy, if I could say how much. 23-Jul-1999 13:33:20-GMT,2019;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25721 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA14066 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:18:50 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14063 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:18:48 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20692; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:18:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21251; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:18:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907231318.PAA21251@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: ftp fs structure In-Reply-To: <199907231130.NAA07399@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> from Karsten Tinnefeld at "Jul 23, 99 01:30:43 pm" To: tinnefeld@noether.cs.uni-dortmund.de Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:18:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have just recognized that besides the usual pdftex-beta directory > there is still a > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex > containing 1997 pdftex binaries, suggesting these files are not that > as beta as the newer ones are. > > Would you really recommend anyone to still use them? Discussion on this > list encourages the believe that the most conservative user should stay > with a very early version of 1.13d. > > Thus I'd recommend removing/renaming the directory. Or do I miss some > point? If you can do it please replace this directory by ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta Thank you, Thanh 23-Jul-1999 14:47:09-GMT,2684;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27362 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA14882 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:33:32 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14879 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:33:28 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22905; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:33:19 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37987EF8.FD8B5D87@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:40:56 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philip A. Viton" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: tt fonts References: <3.0.2.32.19990720101025.0091f530@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Philip A. Viton" wrote: > > I've just upgraded a very old version of pdftex to 13-d, from Fabrice > Popineau's win32 standalone distribution. Is there a problem with > true-type fonts here? Under win-nt-4 (sp5) I tried a tiny document > containing only cmr10. Then: > > a. using type-1 fonts everything is fine, so I seem to have installed > pdftex correctly. > > b. using truetype fonts from either the Bakoma or the TrueTeX (Kinch) > distributions generates an "access violation" error, precisely when cmr10 > is being read. > > Is there something I've missed? Under my older version (executables dated > 11/98) truetype didn't work right (ligatures not rendered) but at least > the system didn't crash. > > Philip A. Viton > ------------------ > City Planning, Ohio State University > viton.1@osu.edu I tried the BaKoMa ttf files as well as various other ttf's with 13d under win95 and win98 and I don't remember getting such an error. ttf's seemed to work almost perfectly, apart from one thing: if the letter "a" was not used (and so not part of the subset of the font embedded in the pdf file) then AcroRd32 didn't display things properly. It was possible to circumvent this by putting a white "a" on white background somewhere. This problem was fixed in the "pretest" version 13e, which in fact I am still using, and no doubt everything will be great when version 0.14 is released! I've got no idea why 13d isn't working for you. Bob Howlett 23-Jul-1999 21:10:08-GMT,1770;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06770 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16253 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:54:58 -0400 Received: from unet.univie.ac.at (unet.univie.ac.at [131.130.230.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16250 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:54:55 -0400 Received: from rigel.univie.ac.at (root@uvo1-123.univie.ac.at [131.130.231.123]) by unet.univie.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA56680 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:54:43 +0200 Received: (from sx0005@localhost) by rigel.univie.ac.at (8.9.3/8.8.8) id TAA19946; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:07:22 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:07:22 GMT Message-Id: <199907231907.TAA19946@rigel.univie.ac.at> X-Authentication-Warning: rigel.univie.ac.at: sx0005 set sender to sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de using -f From: Werner LEMBERG To: ygy@.LOCAL.amt.ac.cn, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199907231036.MAA15525@anxur.fi.muni.cz> (message from Han The Thanh on Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:36:34 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Wang Lei ] (fwd) Reply-to: Werner LEMBERG References: <199907231036.MAA15525@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I don't know anything about hbf fonts. Are they bitmaped fonts? Yes. My tool hbf2gf (which has been already integrated into the mktexpk/mktextfm scripts of teTeX 1.0) handles this font format. It is especially useful for large, fixed width fonts. Werner 24-Jul-1999 18:54:28-GMT,2232;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03938 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA17766 for pdftex-list; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:48:23 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA17763 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:48:21 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id LAA09389; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:48:20 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009373; Sat Jul 24 11:47:10 1999 Received: from azu-mail1.aes.com ([159.4.100.112]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA134463 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:47:09 -0700 Received: by azu-mail1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3XGDR33X>; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:47:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: "Invalid Marker" error Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:47:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm getting an error out of a specific file. The symptom is Error: pdflatex.exe (cmmi6.pfb) invalid marker no error but the compile halts and the resulting pdf file is corrupt. Any thoughts? Version Data: pdfTeX (Web2c 7.3beta6) 3.14159-0.13c kpathsea version 3.3beta6 Copyright (C) 1999 Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. 24-Jul-1999 19:23:52-GMT,1511;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04580 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA17866 for pdftex-list; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:10:33 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17863 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:10:32 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FFE00E012LIAN@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FFE00CAG2LITU@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: "Invalid Marker" error In-reply-to: To: "Wroth, Mark" Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The marker that is referred to is a mrker in the PFB file that delineates what type of section is in the PFB file. So perhaps the PFB file is corrupt. You might want to upgrade to 0.13d and try again if the PFB file is not corrupt. 25-Jul-1999 13:42:49-GMT,1809;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27323 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA19737 for pdftex-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:35:43 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19734 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:35:39 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23813; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:28:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <379B12E2.8221B1D6@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:36:34 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Wroth, Mark" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: "Invalid Marker" error References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Wroth, Mark" wrote: > > I'm getting an error out of a specific file. The symptom is > > Error: pdflatex.exe (cmmi6.pfb) > invalid marker > no error > > but the compile halts and the resulting pdf file is corrupt. Any thoughts? > Finding (to my surprise) that I didn't have cmmib6.pfb, I got it from ctan, via Netscape. When I tried it out, I got "invalid marker". But Netscape must have transferred the file as ascii rather than binary, since when I downloaded it again, using wsftp instead, it was OK. Ergo, I think you have a corrupt font file. Bob Howlett 25-Jul-1999 14:49:58-GMT,1547;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28710 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19995 for pdftex-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:46:10 -0400 Received: from danube.river-valley.com ([203.129.249.142]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19992 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:46:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04021 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:15:18 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: danube.river-valley.com: cvr owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:15:16 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan X-Sender: cvr@danube.river-valley.com To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdfscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have uploaded a test version of "pdfscreen.sty" with foreign language support. Also some bugs consequential to the upgrade of hyperref.sty have been fixed. The zipped/tarred file is available at: http://www.river-valley.com/download/index.html I would much appreciate bug reports from users, so that I can upgrade the CTAN version after fixing them. Radhakrishnan 26-Jul-1999 14:54:22-GMT,1611;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01011 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21852 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:25:43 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21847 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:25:38 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01410 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:59:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17332 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:32:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907261132.NAA17332@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: t1 partial downloading of dvips To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:32:42 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, somebody asked me to try using the pdftex code for t1 partial downloading with dvips. I did so, and have a pretest version ready (for dvipsk). If anyone can do some testing please let me know, it would be much helpful. As for pdftex, I can compile binary for i386 linux, Solaris, IRIX and dos/win (djgpp by cross compiler on linux). Thanh 26-Jul-1999 15:12:40-GMT,3957;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01565 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21947 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:46:59 -0400 Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.4.42]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21944 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:46:46 -0400 Received: from goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de (goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.28.168]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP id QAA22623 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:46:14 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: <199907261446.QAA15714@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from goedel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de id QAA15714; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:46:14 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Karsten Tinnefeld Reply-To: Karsten Tinnefeld X-uri: http://ls2-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~tinnefeld/ X-face: *sXD#NpiH+[WIRUfGB;twtnVo=k{4Ev$$s75_Lf~Sw%(A74 `N'EtJI[Z{P'X@60ru7SfQ%.3It!Jw'?UjF ~_B1l-`S:F>h~!,!|ow*.'@nzW.ADJ06j/Mj5NVp3 X-Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik 2, D-44221 Dortmund X-Address: GB IV/323 CS, Baroper Strasse 301, D-44227 Dortmund X-Phone: +49 231 755-4737 oder -2777 (Sekretariat) X-Telefax: +49 231 755-2047 X-public-transport: H-Bahn, Busse 440, 449: Eichlinghofen H-Bahn X-spelling: alte deutsche Rechtschreibung; Warnung: Wenn Sie nach dem August 1998 Rechtschreibunterricht erhalten haben, fragen Sie einen Lehrer nach eventuellen Schaeden durch Lektuere dieser Mail. To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: interlaced png problem Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:46:13 +0200 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Using an interlaced png graphic I indeed encountered a bug, showing up in a line of trash at the top of the interlaced version of a graphic, created by xv by saving a gif image, when viewed by either acroread 3 and 4 and gv/gs 5.50. Please, take a look at http://cauchy.cs.uni-dortmund.de:8080/~tinnefeld/TeX/pdfpng/ for an example file (source and pdf, both img versions). >From the log: This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-13d-2.1 (Web2C 7.3) (format=pdfelatex 1999.7.14) 26 JUL 1999 16:36 **\nonstopmode\input{pdfpngtest.tex} (pdfpngtest.tex (/app/unido-i02/sun4_55/TeX/1999_05_05/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1999/01/07 v1.4a Standard LaTeX document class (/app/unido-i02/sun4_55/TeX/1999_05_05/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo File: size10.clo 1999/01/07 v1.4a Standard LaTeX file (size option) ) [...] ) (/app/unido-i02/sun4_55/TeX/1999_05_05/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty Package: graphicx 1999/02/16 v1.0f Enhanced LaTeX Graphics (DPC,SPQR) (/app/unido-i02/sun4_55/TeX/1999_05_05/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty Package: keyval 1999/03/16 v1.13 key=value parser (DPC) \KV@toks@=\toks14 ) (/app/unido-i02/sun4_55/TeX/1999_05_05/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty Package: graphics 1999/02/16 v1.0l Standard LaTeX Graphics (DPC,SPQR) (/app/unido-i02/sun4_55/TeX/1999_05_05/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty Package: trig 1999/03/16 v1.09 sin cos tan (DPC) ) (/app/unido-inf/sun4_55/aktex/1999_04_16/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg) Package graphics Info: Driver file: pdftex.def on input line 80. (/app/unido-i02/sun4_55/TeX/1999_05_05/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def File: pdftex.def 1999/01/26 v0.02l graphics/color for pdftex [...] -- Karsten Tinnefeld Silence is the perfectest herald of joy: I were but little happy, if I could say how much. 26-Jul-1999 15:23:51-GMT,2544;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01959 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21996 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:56:51 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21993 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:56:49 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id HAA06667; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:56:46 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006613; Mon Jul 26 07:56:08 1999 Received: from azu-mail1.aes.com ([159.4.100.112]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA146501; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:56:07 -0700 Received: by azu-mail1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3XGDRQZ7>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: "'Robert Howlett'" , "Wroth, Mark" Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: "Invalid Marker" error Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:56:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks. I'll re-get the file. (I fixed the emergency by re-writing the offending section to eliminate the math, which let me get the comment draft out only a day late :-( ). Thanks for your help. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Howlett [mailto:rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 6:37 AM To: Wroth, Mark Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: "Invalid Marker" error "Wroth, Mark" wrote: > > I'm getting an error out of a specific file. The symptom is > > Error: pdflatex.exe (cmmi6.pfb) > invalid marker > no error > > but the compile halts and the resulting pdf file is corrupt. Any thoughts? > Finding (to my surprise) that I didn't have cmmib6.pfb, I got it from ctan, via Netscape. When I tried it out, I got "invalid marker". But Netscape must have transferred the file as ascii rather than binary, since when I downloaded it again, using wsftp instead, it was OK. Ergo, I think you have a corrupt font file. Bob Howlett 26-Jul-1999 18:32:11-GMT,1682;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08259 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA22873 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:54:52 -0400 Received: from mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.30]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22870 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:54:49 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA02722 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990726135443.00924ec0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:54:43 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: truetype fonts under pdftex 14a for win32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've just picked up Fabrice Popineau's standalone version 14a for win32, and tried it out with a simple test document containing only cmr10. Unlike v 13, the truetype cmr10 from the Kinch distribution is read (yay!), but on opening the resulting document in the acrobat reader (v3) I get Unable to find or create the font DAEDCD+cmr10 (In my case, cmr10 is an installed font for Windows). Any ideas? Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 26-Jul-1999 21:46:56-GMT,2287;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13970 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA23575 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:25:04 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23572 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:25:01 -0400 Received: from Y-9W4ZXVHWLQKOV (p50.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.51]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02161; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990726172145.01d357e8@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:24:16 -0400 To: "Philip A. Viton" , pdftex@tug.org From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: truetype fonts under pdftex 14a for win32 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990726135443.00924ec0@pop.service.ohio-state.ed u> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 01:54 PM 7/26/99 -0400, Philip A. Viton wrote: >I've just picked up Fabrice Popineau's standalone version 14a for win32, >and tried it out with a simple test document containing only cmr10. Unlike >v 13, the truetype cmr10 from the Kinch distribution is read (yay!), but on >opening the resulting document in the acrobat reader (v3) I get > >Unable to find or create the font DAEDCD+cmr10 > >(In my case, cmr10 is an installed font for Windows). I could imagine one reason that might not work, which is that if you have those TT fonts installed locally, Acrobat Reader may try to use them instead of whatever is packaged in the PDF file. Now since those CM fonts appear incorrectly as "text" fonts, Acrobat may try (anf fail) to reencode them. Or it couldbe something even simpler like having a different case for the FontName. First thing I would try is uninstalling the CM fonts and seeing what happens in the Acrobat Reader when it is forced to use the fonts in the PDF file. Regards, Berthold. -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 27-Jul-1999 8:43:46-GMT,2140;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00837 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 02:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA25024 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:31:47 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA25021 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:31:45 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.98]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA55E7; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:31:12 +0200 Message-ID: <379D5BFF.D8A152EC@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:13:03 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Y&Y Support Line CC: "Philip A. Viton" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: truetype fonts under pdftex 14a for win32 References: <4.2.0.58.19990726172145.01d357e8@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Y&Y Support Line wrote: > >Unable to find or create the font DAEDCD+cmr10 > > > >(In my case, cmr10 is an installed font for Windows). > > I could imagine one reason that might not work, which is that if you have > those TT fonts installed locally, Acrobat Reader may try to use them instead > of whatever is packaged in the PDF file. Now since those CM fonts appear > incorrectly as "text" fonts, Acrobat may try (anf fail) to reencode them. Is it 'permitted' to use random fontnames (all refs/headers/etc mentioning cmr10 becoming xyz or so) so that the Reader does not recognize it as known font? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Jul-1999 12:43:31-GMT,2384;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06195 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA25418 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:30:28 -0400 Received: from fusl.ac.be (www.fusl.ac.be [193.190.251.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25415 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:30:19 -0400 Received: from [193.190.250.97] (fusl97.fusl.ac.be [193.190.250.97]) by fusl.ac.be (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13412 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:15:26 +0100 (WET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: odw@mail.hotpop.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:29:57 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: odw Subject: Many questions ......... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just begin to work with pdftex (on a Mac, CMacTeX distribution) and I really enjoy it. Nevertheless I have few questions ... 1. If I run pdftex it does not want to overwrite the .pdf or the .log. Which is very boring because I have to delete the preceeding file before I typeset. Is that possible to ask the typesetter to automatically overwrite files (as it is the case with tex) ? 2. I would like the typesetter to automatically open a pdf viewer. 3. Is there exists an other pdf viewer than Acrobat (on Mac) because I would like to have a key shrotcut that bring me back to my editor. or is that possible to extend Acrobat to do that. 4. I really cannot include my pictures in the pdf output. I know that there is a solution that consists in including png file using a pdftex command \pdfimage. I triedit but even if the typesette did not mention any error, the image was not included in the pdf file? Nevertheless, I don't want to change the code I use . Is that possible to include eps image? I I have also try to incorporate pdf image translated with epstopdf but I still have some BoundingBox errors. Could someone send me a sample (using pdf and not png) or explain me how to translate eps (or any other format) in png? May I use the graphics or graphix packages as before? Thank you very much Olivier. 27-Jul-1999 14:38:58-GMT,2736;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09086 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25757 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:13:02 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25754 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:12:58 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13440; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:12:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <379DC028.7F036CC6@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:20:24 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: Y&Y Support Line , "Philip A. Viton" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: truetype fonts under pdftex 14a for win32 References: <4.2.0.58.19990726172145.01d357e8@tiac.net> <379D5BFF.D8A152EC@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk It works for me. I'm running Windows95, I've got cmr10.ttf (BaKoMa) installed (i.e. in \Windows\fonts). In my map file I've got cmr10 Cmr10 > Y&Y Support Line wrote: > > > >Unable to find or create the font DAEDCD+cmr10 > > > > > >(In my case, cmr10 is an installed font for Windows). > > > > I could imagine one reason that might not work, which is that if you have > > those TT fonts installed locally, Acrobat Reader may try to use them instead > > of whatever is packaged in the PDF file. Now since those CM fonts appear > > incorrectly as "text" fonts, Acrobat may try (anf fail) to reencode them. > > Is it 'permitted' to use random fontnames (all refs/headers/etc > mentioning cmr10 becoming xyz or so) so that the Reader does not > recognize it as known font? > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Jul-1999 14:45:13-GMT,1841;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09251 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25765 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:15:29 -0400 Received: from admin.di.fc.ul.pt (admin.di.fc.ul.pt [194.117.22.41]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25762 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:15:26 -0400 Received: from di.fc.ul.pt (nneves.di.fc.ul.pt [194.117.22.35]) by admin.di.fc.ul.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11995 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <379DBEFA.CD8E0587@di.fc.ul.pt> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:15:22 +0100 From: Nuno Miguel Neves Organization: Departamento de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Inform=E1tica?= da Fac. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ci=EAncias?= da UL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: PDF info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I'm new to this program, and I didn't find the answer to my question anywhere (if there is an answer! :-) ) I've created the pdf file with pdflatex, and I was wondering if I could fill the Document Info fields of the pdf file (maybe some latex macro, or command otpion to pdflatex) and the Security issues( Can print, can view, etc.). If it is not possible to do it whith pdflatex, is there any other stuff to do it? I'm using Linux, and Acrobat Reader 4.0. -- nneves@di.fc.ul.pt Dept. Informatica, Fac. Ciencias, |\ | |\ | Tel: +351 1 7500058 Univ. Lisboa, Bloco C5, Campo Grande | \|uno | \|eves Fax: +351 1 7500084 1700 Lisboa, Portugal 27-Jul-1999 15:01:31-GMT,2356;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09677 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25823 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:33:37 -0400 Received: from mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25820 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA19550 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990727103213.00921520@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:32:13 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: truetype fonts under pdftex 14a for win32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who responded! a. Under Acrobat4, the file previews properly! All right!! It's a pity that it won't work under Acrobat3, since at least until everyone upgrades you'd have to post a caution, but there it is. b. Hans Hagen asked whether it's allowed to include a font under a random name so that it won't be recognized by Acrobat. My impression is that it is: in fact, I could get the cmr10 to work by "manually" renaming it (using Richard Kinch's ttf_edit tool) as something else (xcrm10.ttf). c. Berthold Horn wondered if it would work if I uninstalled cmr10. I haven't tried this --- I need the font to be installed for an application --- but my guess is that it would (form the viewpoint of the OS, it would be just like renaming under a random name, no?). But as a solution this has drawbacks, since the pdf is readable only if the user *doesn't* already have the font installed. And it really is a case of readability: whatever font substitution was done, when I tried to view the file under Acrobat3, no single character could be distinguished. Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 27-Jul-1999 15:10:21-GMT,1449;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09917 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA25675 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:50:59 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25672 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:50:54 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10747 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:50:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <379DBB0B.8AA02E48@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:58:35 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: 14a pretest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk When I just now replaced pdftex13e by pdftex14a I was surprised to discover that pdftex could not find pdftex.cfg. Moving pdftex.cfg from a "TEXPSHEADERS" directory to a "TEXINPUTS.pdftex" directory apparently fixed things. Am I right that pdftex14 loks for pdftex.cfg in the path(s) specified by TEXINPUTS? Bob Howlett 27-Jul-1999 15:13:25-GMT,3184;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10008 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25842 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:36:21 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25838 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:36:19 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.154]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6635; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:35:46 +0200 Message-ID: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:18:41 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: odw CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk odw wrote: > 1. If I run pdftex it does not want to overwrite the .pdf or the > .log. Which is very boring because I have to delete the preceeding > file before I typeset. Is that possible to ask the typesetter to > automatically overwrite files (as it is the case with tex) ? That's what tex does unless the file is locked (e.g. opened in another application), which seems to be the case in your situation. > 2. I would like the typesetter to automatically open a pdf viewer. Tex is a batch system, so you have to write a script for that purpose. When you use ghostscript, it stays open. > 3. Is there exists an other pdf viewer than Acrobat (on Mac) because > I would like to have a key shrotcut that bring me back to my editor. > or is that possible to extend Acrobat to do that. GhostScript. > 4. I really cannot include my pictures in the pdf output. I know that > there is a solution that consists in including png file using a > pdftex command \pdfimage. I triedit but even if the typesette did not > mention any error, the image was not included in the pdf file? version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > Nevertheless, I don't want to change the code I use . Is that > possible to include eps image? I I have also try to incorporate pdf No. First convert it into pdf. > image translated with epstopdf but I still have some BoundingBox > errors. Could someone send me a sample (using pdf and not png) or > explain me how to translate eps (or any other format) in png? May I You can use GhostScript or Adobe Photoshop to convert eps into png. > use the graphics or graphix packages as before? When you have recent versions: indeed, Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Jul-1999 16:06:35-GMT,1726;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11609 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:06:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26622 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:47:52 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26619 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:47:50 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.111]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA434C; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:47:17 +0200 Message-ID: <379DD482.EE6098BA@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:47:14 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nuno Miguel Neves CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF info References: <379DBEFA.CD8E0587@di.fc.ul.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Nuno Miguel Neves wrote: > I'm new to this program, and I didn't find the answer to my question > anywhere (if there is an answer! :-) ) In plain tex: \pdfinfo {/Title (joking) /Author (not me)} In context: \setupinteraction [title=joking, author=not me] Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Jul-1999 16:19:31-GMT,2132;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11977 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA26989 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:08:59 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26986 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:08:57 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.58]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAB27; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:08:24 +0200 Message-ID: <379DD976.1CF11252@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:08:22 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: 14a pretest References: <379DBB0B.8AA02E48@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > When I just now replaced pdftex13e by pdftex14a > I was surprised to discover that pdftex could not > find pdftex.cfg. > Moving pdftex.cfg from a "TEXPSHEADERS" directory > to a "TEXINPUTS.pdftex" directory apparently fixed > things. Am I right that pdftex14 loks for > pdftex.cfg in the path(s) specified by TEXINPUTS? Some search paths have changed indeed. Even more important: some primitives are changed! The manual at www.pragma-ade.nl is updated (although some more changes will be added) and is available in A4, letter, booklet and screen version. Beware: the 14a binaries as well as the manual are still beta and being tested. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Jul-1999 16:34:02-GMT,4975;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12432 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27193 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:22:01 -0400 Received: from fusl.ac.be (www.fusl.ac.be [193.190.251.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27190 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:21:58 -0400 Received: from [193.190.250.97] (fusl97.fusl.ac.be [193.190.250.97]) by fusl.ac.be (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15594 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:07:17 +0100 (WET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: odw@mail.hotpop.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199907271319.JAA28181@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> References: <199907271319.JAA28181@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:21:53 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: odw Subject: Re: Many questions ......... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > >1. If I run pdftex it does not want to overwrite the .pdf or the > >.log. Which is very boring because I have to delete the preceeding > >file before I typeset. Is that possible to ask the typesetter to >automatically overwrite files (as it is the case with tex) ? >1) I don't have this problem, unless I have Acrobat open and am >viewing the pdf file. Then it usually will NOT let me alter the open file. >Be sure you are NOT viewing the pdf file in acrobat and see if you >can overwrite the file. (If that is not your problem, I don't know what >to say.) That's right, I have no problem to typeset if .dvi is not open in acrobat. But it is exactly what I want. With tex and dvipreview it is the case. Indeed, you can typeset a.tex which .dvi is open in dvipreview. I would like that because I feel very comfortable if I can switch between the editor and the viewer. Is that not possible between pdftex and acrobat? > >3. Is there exists an other pdf viewer than Acrobat (on Mac) because > >I would like to have a key shrotcut that bring me back to my editor. >or is that possible to extend Acrobat to do that. > > >3) Ghostview can also view pdf files. I am assuming you used to use >it to view ps files and know how to work all the tricks with it. (I don't >know Macs or CMacTeX.) OK ghostview works but it is a very pity viewer. At least on my version on Mac, it is impossible to have a more than 100% zoom and it is not possible to go to the preview page. In the other hand it is nice because the problem 1 is solved: I can typeset if the .pdf is open in ghostview. > >4. I really cannot include my pictures in the pdf output. I know that > >there is a solution that consists in including png file using a > >pdftex command \pdfimage. I triedit but even if the typesette did not > >mention any error, the image was not included in the pdf file? > >Nevertheless, I don't want to change the code I use . Is that > >possible to include eps image? I I have also try to incorporate pdf > >image translated with epstopdf but I still have some BoundingBox > >errors. Could someone send me a sample (using pdf and not png) or > >explain me how to translate eps (or any other format) in png? May I >use >4) Yes, you can use includegraphics. It works just the same as with >standard (La)TeX, with the exception that you need pdf (or jpeg >or pdf) files instead of eps files. epstopdf, which uses ghostscript >generally works. However, some drivers set quite a few bounding >boxes and page sizes, any one of which can mess with the bounding >box. Adobe products also work well to convert to pdf. >I think ghostscript can give you bitmap versions of postscript files. >(I think they support jpeg), but I normally use epstopdf. Note that when >you use bitmap formats, you have to be sure to tell pdf(la)TeX what the >resolution is (which can be done by specifying the size of the file). It seems that my driver mess all the time because I was not able to include any picture because of this bounding box. I didn't try jpeg for the momment. I will try again with your comments. Thank you for your help. > > > > >Hi, > > > >I just begin to work with pdftex (on a Mac, CMacTeX distribution) > >and I really enjoy it. Nevertheless I have few questions ... > > > > > > >2. I would like the typesetter to automatically open a pdf viewer. > > > > > > > > > >the graphics or graphix packages as before? > > > >Thank you very much > > > >Olivier. > > > >Chris Hubert >Department of Mechanical Engineering >The Ohio State University >206 West 18th Avenue >Columbus, OH 43210-1107 >(614) 292-2356 (Office) >(614) 292-3163 (Fax) >hubert@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu > >And I've heard of your troubles. I've heard you're unhappy. >But I can fix that. I'm the Fix-it-Up Chappie > Dr. Seuss 27-Jul-1999 16:34:51-GMT,1972;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12465 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27237 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:25:42 -0400 Received: from fusl.ac.be (www.fusl.ac.be [193.190.251.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27233 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:25:39 -0400 Received: from [193.190.250.97] (fusl97.fusl.ac.be [193.190.250.97]) by fusl.ac.be (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15614 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:10:59 +0100 (WET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: odw@mail.hotpop.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <379DBEFA.CD8E0587@di.fc.ul.pt> References: <379DBEFA.CD8E0587@di.fc.ul.pt> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:25:35 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: odw Subject: Re: PDF info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >Hi. >I'm new to this program, and I didn't find the answer to my question >anywhere (if there is an answer! :-) ) >I've created the pdf file with pdflatex, and I was wondering if I could fill >the Document Info fields of the pdf file >(maybe some latex macro, or command otpion to pdflatex) and the Security >issues( Can print, can view, etc.). >If it is not possible to do it whith pdflatex, is there any other stuff to >do it? >I'm using Linux, and Acrobat Reader 4.0. > >-- > nneves@di.fc.ul.pt Dept. Informatica, Fac. Ciencias, >|\ | |\ | Tel: +351 1 7500058 Univ. Lisboa, Bloco C5, Campo Grande >| \|uno | \|eves Fax: +351 1 7500084 1700 Lisboa, Portugal I'm new also but I solved your problem (I red the doc in fact p.14). To fill the Document info, you have to type: \pdfinfo {/title (Your title) /creator (You) ..... } 27-Jul-1999 17:00:24-GMT,2176;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13204 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27614 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:49:03 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27610 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:49:01 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p110.tc19a.metro.MA.tiac.com [207.60.68.111]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10033; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990727123153.00a49aa0@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:35:05 -0400 To: Hans Hagen , odw From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Many questions ......... Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 04:18 PM 7/27/99 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > > 1. If I run pdftex it does not want to overwrite the .pdf or the > > .log. Which is very boring because I have to delete the preceeding > > file before I typeset. Is that possible to ask the typesetter to > > automatically overwrite files (as it is the case with tex) ? > >That's what tex does unless the file is locked (e.g. opened in another >application), which seems to be the case in your situation. Right, if I understand correctly what this is about, then the issue is that Acrobat Reader opens the file and keeps it open in a mode that prevents others from opening it. Which is a limitation of using Reader as a viewer. DVI viewers tend to be designed to not leave the file open and hence allow TeX to overwrite it -- and may then notice that the file has changed and redisplay -- which makes for a smoother interaction... Regards, Berthold. -- Berthold K.P. Horn bkph@YandY.com 27-Jul-1999 17:00:28-GMT,2083;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13210 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27620 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:49:18 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27617 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:49:17 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p110.tc19a.metro.MA.tiac.com [207.60.68.111]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08063; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990727124817.013043c0@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0400 To: Hans Hagen , odw From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Many questions ......... Cc: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 04:18 PM 7/27/99 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > > 1. If I run pdftex it does not want to overwrite the .pdf or the > > .log. Which is very boring because I have to delete the preceeding > > file before I typeset. Is that possible to ask the typesetter to > > automatically overwrite files (as it is the case with tex) ? > >That's what tex does unless the file is locked (e.g. opened in another >application), which seems to be the case in your situation. Right, if I understand correctly what this is about, then the issue is that Acrobat Reader opens the file and keeps it open in a mode that prevents others from opening it. Which is a limitation of using Reader as a viewer. DVI viewers tend to be designed to not leave the file open and hence allow TeX to overwrite it -- and may then notice that the file has changed and redisplay -- which makes for a smoother interaction... Regards, Berthold. -- Berthold K.P. Horn bkph@YandY.com 27-Jul-1999 18:16:03-GMT,1631;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15383 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28300 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:06:51 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA28295 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:06:48 -0400 Received: from remote142-85.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.85] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 119Bcg-0006du-00; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:06:42 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990727200320.0079e5b0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:03:20 +0200 To: Hans Hagen , Nuno Miguel Neves From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: PDF info Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <379DD482.EE6098BA@wxs.nl> References: <379DBEFA.CD8E0587@di.fc.ul.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 17:47 27.07.99 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: >In plain tex: > \pdfinfo >In context: > \setupinteraction And with hyperref (latex): \usepackage[...]{hyperref} \hypersetup{ pdfauthor={Goethe}, pdftitle={Faust}, pdfsubject={...}, pdfkeywords={...}, } Yours sincerely Heiko 28-Jul-1999 12:56:15-GMT,1441;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14248 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA30886 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:38:35 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA30883 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:38:30 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25490; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:38:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:46:01 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: odw , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... References: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage This looks like a change for the worse. What is the rationale? 28-Jul-1999 13:14:54-GMT,2909;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14701 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA30962 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:57:21 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA30959 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:57:20 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.92]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6908; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:55:50 +0200 Message-ID: <379EFDAA.A32D4512@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:55:06 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: odw , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... References: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > Hans Hagen wrote: > > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > > This looks like a change for the worse. What is the rationale? Well, you can bet some thinking (and quite some of thanhs time) went into it before it was changed -) Actually there is much change for the best. Just some reasons: consistency, extensibility, flexiblity. The new pdftex will provide access to most of pdf's features in a consistent way. If you dont want this, just use \pdfimage as defined here: \def\pdfimage#1#% {\dopdfimage{#1}} \def\dopdfimage#1#2% {\immediate\pdfximage#1{#2}% \pdfrefximage\pdflastximage} \def\pdfimages#1#% {\dopdfimages{#1}} \def\dopdfimages#1#2#3% {\immediate\pdfximage#1{#2}% \immediate\pdfobj {[ << /Image \the\pdflastximage\space0 R /DefaultForPrinting true >> ]}% \immediate\pdfximage#1 attr {/Alternates \the\pdflastobj\space0 R}{#3}% \pdfrefximage\pdflastximage} If you also want alternate images, see above \pdfimages{print version}{screen version}. Both macros are in the new supp-pdf (as loaded by latex) and therefore available for whoever want to use them. (For context users there is \externalfigure[print version][screen=screenversion] and some more) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Jul-1999 13:27:51-GMT,4450;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15054 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA31095 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:18:20 -0400 Received: from fusl.ac.be (www.fusl.ac.be [193.190.251.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA31090 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:18:17 -0400 Received: from [193.190.250.97] (fusl97.fusl.ac.be [193.190.250.97]) by fusl.ac.be (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22172 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:03:34 +0100 (WET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: odw@mail.hotpop.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:18:11 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: odw Subject: Include pdfproblems Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1278954600==_ma============" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk --============_-1278954600==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi, Thank you all for your answers to "Many questions....", it helps me a lot. Well, now, I'm able to include graphics but only .png and only using \pdfimage. It also works with pdf but the pdf is completely crapped and it does not work at all with .tif : Error: pdflatex (file location.tif): unknown type of image I don't understand exactly why? Help. I tried the includegraphics command. I tried the example of Karsten Tinnefeld and it does not work : ! LaTeX Error: Cannot determine BoundingBox of EPS graphic pdfpngtest.. See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. Type H for immediate help. ... l.4 ...udegraphics[width=.5\textwidth]{pdfpngtest} I thought that it was working only with pdf and not with png? Am I wrong? I tried with pdf, here the source: %&pdfLaTeX \documentclass{article} \usepackage{graphicx} \begin{document} \includegraphics[height=4cm]{location.pdf} \end{document} But the typesetter says ! LaTeX Error: Cannot determine BoundingBox of EPS graphic location.pdf.. See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. Type H for immediate help. ... l.10 ...\includegraphics[height=4cm]{location.pdf} I don't understand because I translate the eps in pdf using epstopdf ????? and location.pdf was working (very corrupted I have to say) with \pdfimage. Can someone explain me where I 'm wrong? Olivier, --============_-1278954600==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Thank you all for your answers to "Many questions....", it helps me a lot. Well, now, I'm able to include graphics but only .png and only using \pdfimage. It also works with pdf but the pdf is completely crapped and it does not work at all with .tif : Error: pdflatex (file location.tif): unknown type of image I don't understand exactly why? Help. I tried the includegraphics command. I tried the example of Karsten Tinnefeld and it does not work : ! LaTeX Error: Cannot determine BoundingBox of EPS graphic pdfpngtest.. See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. Type H < for immediate help. ... l.4 ...udegraphics[width=.5\textwidth]{pdfpngtest} I thought that it was working only with pdf and not with png? Am I wrong? I tried with pdf, here the source: %&pdfLaTeX \documentclass{article} \usepackage{graphicx} \begin{document} \includegraphics[height=4cm]{location.pdf} \end{document} But the typesetter says ! LaTeX Error: Cannot determine BoundingBox of EPS graphic location.pdf.. See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. Type H < for immediate help. ... l.10 ...\includegraphics[height=4cm]{location.pdf} I don't understand because I translate the eps in pdf using epstopdf ????? and location.pdf was working (very corrupted I have to say) with \pdfimage. Can someone explain me where I 'm wrong? Olivier, --============_-1278954600==_ma============-- 28-Jul-1999 14:01:03-GMT,1976;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15875 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA31411 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:50:36 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA31408 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:50:34 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 119U6H-0003Tu-00; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:50:29 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 119U6G-00002a-00; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:50:28 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14239.6348.844231.836135@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:50:52 +0000 (GMT) To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Cc: pragma@wxs.nl, odw@hotpop.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... In-Reply-To: <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> References: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett writes: > > Hans Hagen wrote: > > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > > > This looks like a change for the worse. What is the rationale? So that you can explicitly refer to picture resources several times without resorting to form objects. Sure, its more wordy, but since `real' users will never see the syntax (it'll be hidden in macros), surely the more power the better? sebastian 28-Jul-1999 15:00:23-GMT,1659;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17530 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA31809 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:38:53 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA31806 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:38:46 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.103]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6EE3; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:38:12 +0200 Message-ID: <379F15A3.F22FCA0A@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:37:23 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: odw CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Include pdfproblems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk odw wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Inclusion only works for png, jpg and pdf. There are some bugs in pdf inclusion due to changes in the xpdf libary. Don't use version 14 in production runs yet! Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Jul-1999 15:09:30-GMT,1878;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17830 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA31968 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:55:52 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA31965 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:55:50 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 119V7S-00001K-00; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:55:46 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 119V7S-0000aA-00; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:55:46 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14239.10266.857871.625580@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:56:10 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: andysic@tin.it Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["Andrea Sicolo" ] In-Reply-To: <199907281446.KAA31858@tug.org> References: <199907281446.KAA31858@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > When I start compiling a .TEX file and converting it to a .PDF file with the > command "pdflatex" the result is a PDF file that contains the whole text > contained in my .TEX file but NO PICTURE! > In the places where I put my pictures the PDF file results to have BLANK > SPACES! > In my .TEX files I import .WMF images (Windows Meta-File). convert the .wmf files to .jpg or .png, and use those. pdftex does not understand WMF files sebastian 28-Jul-1999 17:02:43-GMT,2695;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21099 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA32578 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:52:21 -0400 Received: from mercur.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA32575 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:52:19 -0400 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se (hobbe.lin.foa.se [150.227.33.76]) by mercur.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03508; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:52:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA10369; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:51:32 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (IDENT:chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05130; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:53:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199907281653.SAA05130@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Han The Thanh Cc: Sebastian Rahtz , Christophe BERNARD , pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: Problems with included pdf images In-reply-to: thanh's message of Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:56:23 +0200. <199906211056.MAA14080@anxur.fi.muni.cz> From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h BTW the font in the pdf image is Type3 (bitmap font) and not Type1 > font (epstopdf converts all fonts to bitmap). Well, having a discussion with Sebastian Rahtz, the problem might be solved with an upcoming ghostscript release. Having tried the gs-5.87 snapshot together with Sebastian's current epstopdf gave me Type 1 fonts of CM too, instead of Type 3 that gs-5.50 gives me. The problem seems indeed to be related to the Type 3 fonts in the embedded (included) pdf. Now, I can manually convert "old" latex files by a BERNARD type procedure, and voila, I can have pdf files from "old" psfragged files (and possibly pstricked too). Oh well, now I can rest more relaxed, just waiting for the upcoming release of gs. Cheers, /ChJ 28-Jul-1999 17:41:39-GMT,4640;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22183 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA32763 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:31:11 -0400 Received: from rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu (rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu [164.107.171.29]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA32760 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:31:10 -0400 Received: from gw2 (gw2.eng.ohio-state.edu [164.107.169.221]) by rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA01982; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907281731.NAA01982@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: hubert@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:27:47 -0400 To: odw From: Chris Hubert Subject: Re: Include pdfproblems Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: References: <199907281445.KAA14559@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> <199907281445.KAA14559@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk So the includegraphics is now working, but some of your included pdfs still look bad. I was a little unclear on what you were saying at the end. 1) You converted the simple eps test I gave you to pdf and the pdf file looked fine (in acrobat)? 2) You then included that pdf file into your document and it also looked fine in your document (in acrobat)? Are both of these true? If so, then I think the more complicated file you converted came out poorly because of what I thought I had heard discussed as a bug in xpdf. I have sometimes had pdf pictures come out poorly. Typically (in my LIMITED experience) it happens with fairly complicated files that are generally bitmapped. (As opposed to vector type drawings.) In such cases, the png or jpeg formats work every bit as good as the pdf formats. (If it is really a bitmap graphic, the png will look as clean as the pdf-- the only time I really try to use pdf is for vector graphics.) Thus try to convert your graphic to either png or jpeg and include it that way. (I am fairly sure ghostview/ghostscript handles the conversion from postscript to jpeg.) Also, I will ask what version do you use (of pdf(La)TeX). And for your more complicated image... 3) When you converted the eps file to pdf did the pdf file look fine (in acrobat)? (Here I mean JUST the pdf file, not your document with the pdf file included). >>pdf(La)TeX will generally NOT include tiff images. There was a variant >>with tiff support-- I don't know if that project is still active. >> >>As for your troubles with includegraphics, it sounds as though you are >>not loading the correct packages. At the start of my documents, I often >>use the following code... (Note I use latex, I imagine you have to change >>things a bit in tex). >> >>\ifx\pdfoutput\undefined >> \usepackage{color} >> \usepackage{graphicx} >>\else >> \usepackage[pdftex]{color} >> \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} >>\fi >> > >OK thank you, that's working very well. The key was to give [pdf] as option... > > > >>pdf(La)TeX has been going through a fair amount of changes... >>you need to be sure that the version of pdf(La)TeX you use is >>compatible your pdftex.def file. >> >>As far as the image looking poor (the pdf image)... >>1) does the image file look OK? >>2) if so, I believe there is a bug (I think in xpdf) that can >> corrupt some inclusions (I notice it only on fairly large >> bitmap style graphics). >> >>Try generating a VERY simple eps file and converting it... >> see if that works. If it does, then it would seem your >> error is due to the bug. (I believe that this has been fixed >> in version 14.) >> > >I tried you eps and it was converted without any problem. and I have >a nice picture (not in Black and white reverse like mine). This means >that I have a bug. It is very special cause the converted pdf looks >fine. It's crapped after typesetting (in black and white)? >Do I have to wait the 1.4 version (for Mac)? > Chris Hubert Department of Mechanical Engineering The Ohio State University 206 West 18th Avenue Columbus, OH 43210-1107 (614) 292-2356 (Office) (614) 292-3163 (Fax) hubert@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu And I've heard of your troubles. I've heard you're unhappy. But I can fix that. I'm the Fix-it-Up Chappie Dr. Seuss 28-Jul-1999 21:45:38-GMT,2144;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29211 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA01217 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:39:49 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01214 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:39:47 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 119bQP-0001Q3-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:39:45 +0100 Received: from max4.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.4] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 119bQP-0002oE-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:39:45 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14239.30457.661159.970327@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:32:41 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Colin Marquardt ] In-Reply-To: <199907281814.OAA00293@tug.org> References: <199907281814.OAA00293@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Colin Marquardt > > >> In my .TEX files I import .WMF images (Windows Meta-File). > > > convert the .wmf files to .jpg or .png, and use those. pdftex does > > not understand WMF files > > That would be sub-optimal. Windows assumed, use either wmf2eps (good, but > Shareware) or print to a file with a PS printer driver, then epstopdf, > and you keep the vector format. oh, is WMF Microsoft's vector format? in that case, agreed, convert to PDF. of course, WMF users are condemned to the flames of hell for eternity anyway, for using Inventions Of His Satanic Majesty. sebastian 28-Jul-1999 21:46:16-GMT,5590;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29239 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA01212 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:39:44 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01209 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:39:41 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 119bQJ-0003UW-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:39:39 +0100 Received: from max4.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.4] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 119bQI-0005am-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:39:38 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14239.30284.487792.984290@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:29:48 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Anja Drewitz ] In-Reply-To: <199907281806.OAA00224@tug.org> References: <199907281806.OAA00224@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Anja Drewitz Hello, I have the following problem: When I produce a PDF file with bitmap graphics I can neither read nor print it with certain viewers. This seems to be the case with all bitmaps I tried (PNG or a bitmap converted to PS --> EPS --> PDF; color, grayscale or monochrome). However, only bitmap graphics are affected. With pure text or included vector PostScript graphics, all is well. I would very much like to know what I am doing wrong. Here is my problem in more detail: I am using teTeX 0.9 and pdfTeX (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159-0.12r. They are running on a Solaris and a Linux machine, and I need the resulting file to work on an OpenStep machine, too. A sample file is at http://interdoc.theo-phys.uni-essen.de/~chriska/DE82/ The TeX source is very simple: It just refers to two PNG images which are to be included. (I know, it's a crude way to digitize an article. It wasn't my idea. But the problem I am referring to happens with any kind of bitmap graphics.) It compiles alright (called as "pdflatex "). I can read and print the resulting PDF file with acroread 3.0 and xpdf 0.80. When I want to access the PDF file on an OpenStep machine, I can read it--provided I use the most current viewers (PDFView 2.2 and PDFView 1.71). However, I cannot print the PDF file from the OpenStep machine. When I try to print it, the LED flashes (i.e. the printer is reading it), and nothing happens. The same happens when I first print it to a file, then load the PS file with another application and print it. There are not even error messages. My guess it that the PDF file contains some commands that the viewers can understand but the PostScript printer can not. Are there any command line options to ensure the PDF file will only use very basic commands that also an older printer can understand? BTW, in case these observations might be of use: I can *not* read the file with: * OpenStep: a couple of older PDF viewers: show a blank page. * Solaris: ghostview 1.4 operating with Aladdin Ghostscript 5.50: It displays the file but it does not show the page number in the button bar, and one cannot move to previous pages. * Linux: gv 3.5.8 and ghostview 1.5 operating with GNU Ghostscript 5.10: Show a blank page. This is the error message I get (from gv): Error: /undefined in /Im1 Operand stack: 231 656 Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 0 --nostringval-- %array_continue --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push --nostringval-- %loop_continue --nostringval-- 2 10 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 2 10 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push --nostringval-- %loop_continue --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 5 11 %oparray_pop Dictionary stack: --dict:775/809-- --dict:0/20-- --dict:48/200-- --dict:120/127-- --dict:111/152-- --dict:10/10-- --dict:1/2-- --dict:13/20-- --dict:1/1-- --dict:1/1-- --dict:1/1-- Current allocatioGNU Ghostscript: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 n mode is local Current file position is 276 AFAICS, the file position mentioned is somewhere within the (binary) picture. Thanks a lot for any help. And, thanks for writing PDFTeX. It's a great tool. :-) Anja P.S.: This might possibly show up as a "non-member submission". I am posting from a different address than subscribed with (user@dom.ain instead of user@host.dom.ain). If you reply to the list I'll see it. -- _ Anja Drewitz, Universitaet Essen, Germany 0v0 PGP-key: http://home.pages.de/~anja.drewitz/public.key.asc / \ Fingerprint: 4E F0 91 D5 1B C9 F2 9E 36 D5 F4 3A 97 47 A4 AB W^ ^W Penguin Power ... http://www.linux.org 29-Jul-1999 7:42:57-GMT,2434;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14305 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA03397 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 03:32:24 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA03394 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 03:32:21 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.125]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA652A; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:31:46 +0200 Message-ID: <379FFE8D.D08EA75B@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:11:09 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Hubert CC: odw , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Include pdfproblems References: <199907281445.KAA14559@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> <199907281445.KAA14559@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> <199907281731.NAA01982@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Hubert wrote: > In such cases, the png or jpeg formats work every bit > as good as the pdf formats. (If it is really a bitmap graphic, > the png will look as clean as the pdf-- the only time I really > try to use pdf is for vector graphics.) Thus try to convert > your graphic to either png or jpeg and include it that way. Pdftex used to decompress/compresss images. Version 14a+ just passes them on, which saves time and space. I think when version 14 comes out officially, it's rather save to use bitmaps encapsulated in pdf (png/jpeg are rather native to pdf). The one thing you should always watch out for is the resolution. In pdf an image has dimensions (mediabox) which makes inclusion at natural size more robust than a png image with no info embedded (which is often the case). Therefore \pdfimageresolution -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Jul-1999 10:13:27-GMT,2469;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17470 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:13:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA03984 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:34:55 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA03981 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:34:51 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14491 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:34:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16758 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:34:35 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA08481; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:34:35 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:34:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907290934.LAA08481@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: \pdfpageattr vs. \pdfpagesattr X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk When I use (with pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) from teTeX 1.0) \pdfpageattr{/Trans << /S /Dissolve >>} to switch to another page transition style for one page, I have to reset it for the next page with \pdfpageattr{/Trans << /S /R >>} This was unexpected for me, because from the description in the pdfTeX manual (dated March 9, 1999) I had expected to effect the transition style only for one page ("overwrite any attribute ... for individual pages"). Is this a misunderstanding, a problem of the documentation or a bug in the implementation? Or do I use the wrong (low level) command? Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt 29-Jul-1999 10:18:50-GMT,2002;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17587 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:18:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA04031 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:49:44 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA04028 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:49:42 -0400 Received: from remote142-118.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.118] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 119moX-0004Xj-00; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:49:25 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990729104821.0079f260@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:48:21 +0200 To: Anja Drewitz From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Anja Drewitz ] Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <14239.30284.487792.984290@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <199907281806.OAA00224@tug.org> <199907281806.OAA00224@tug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Anja Drewitz >I have the following problem: When I produce a PDF file with bitmap >graphics I can neither read nor print it with certain viewers. >[...] >I am using teTeX 0.9 and pdfTeX (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159-0.12r. An update to recent versions fixes the problem: a) Whole teTeX 0.9 --> 1.0 or b) pdfTeX 0.12r --> 0.13d pdftex.def (graphics) 0.02j --> 0.02l (also hyperref update recommended 6.42 --> 6.6x) Where possible use ghostscript 5.50 instead of 5.10. Yours sincerely Heiko 29-Jul-1999 11:49:15-GMT,3375;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA19549 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA04776 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:34:41 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA04771 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:33:35 -0400 Received: from remote142-101.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.101] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 119oRB-0005pD-00; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:33:26 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990729133344.007a6d70@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:33:44 +0200 To: Klaus Guntermann From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: \pdfpageattr vs. \pdfpagesattr Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199907290934.LAA08481@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt. de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 11:34 29.07.99 +0200, Klaus Guntermann wrote: >When I use (with pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) from teTeX 1.0) > \pdfpageattr{/Trans << /S /Dissolve >>} >to switch to another page transition style for one page, I have to >reset it for the next page with > \pdfpageattr{/Trans << /S /R >>} >This was unexpected for me, because from the description in the pdfTeX >manual (dated March 9, 1999) I had expected to effect the transition >style only for one page ("overwrite any attribute ... for individual >pages"). Where to get a newer pdfTeX manual? http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex-a.pdf has date February 19, 1999 I understand \pdfpage(s)attr as a token register that is cleared nowhere. For a new entry, the previous contents (/Thumb 1 0 R, ...) should be preserved: \pdfpageattr\expandafter{\the\pdfpageattr^^J/Trans << /S /Dissolve >>} or \edef\processme{% \pdfpageattr{% \expandafter\ifx\expandafter\\\the\pdfpageattr\\% \else \the\pdfpageattr^^J% \fi /Trans << ... >>% }% \processme A same old entry have to be removed in order to avoid many entries with the same key. Example (thumbpdf.sty, simplified): \def\AddThumb#1{% \expandafter\RemoveThumbAttr\the\pdfpageattr^^J/Thumb{} 0 R\END \begingroup \edef\x{\endgroup \global\pdfpageattr{% \the\pdfpageattr ^^J/Thumb #1 0 R% % newline is added every time to make removing easier. }% }% \x } \def\RemoveThumbAttr#1^^J/Thumb#2#3 0 R#4\END{% \ifx\\#2\\% \global\pdfpageattr{#1}% \else \RemoveThumbAttr#1#4\END \fi } Instead of a global use the scope of \pdfpageattr can be limited by a group: \begingroup \pdfpageattr\expandafter{\the\pdfpageattr^^J/Trans <<...>>}% \newpage \endgroup Yours sincerely Heiko PS: You can use option 'pdfpagetransition' of package hyperref with version >= 6.64b. (Available tomorrow on http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip) The use of \pdfpage(s)attr should now be correct. 29-Jul-1999 12:40:36-GMT,2870;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20686 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA05040 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:31:16 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA05037 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:31:14 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.111]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA20DB; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:30:41 +0200 Message-ID: <37A048D6.C99E1A1C@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:28:06 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Klaus Guntermann CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: \pdfpageattr vs. \pdfpagesattr References: <199907290934.LAA08481@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Klaus Guntermann wrote: > When I use (with pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) from teTeX 1.0) > \pdfpageattr{/Trans << /S /Dissolve >>} > to switch to another page transition style for one page, I have to > reset it for the next page with > \pdfpageattr{/Trans << /S /R >>} The content is just passed on and pdftex has no knowlegde of and does not check the content. It's completely up to you to handle this. > This was unexpected for me, because from the description in the pdfTeX > manual (dated March 9, 1999) I had expected to effect the transition > style only for one page ("overwrite any attribute ... for individual > pages"). It overwrites the \pdfpagesattr (plural) as well as some defaults. Transitions are (lucky us) not hard coded in pdftex but the attr primitives give you complete control. This is btw more related to output routines and synchronization than to pdftex. > Is this a misunderstanding, a problem of the documentation or a bug in > the implementation? The first and a bit of the second. The latest manual is more explicit and even provided format syntax specifications. > Or do I use the wrong (low level) command? No, you just need to write some macros to deal with this. Beware of viewer dependancies; apart from transitions being ugly I would not be surprised when their behavior changes now and then. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Jul-1999 13:12:24-GMT,2201;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21428 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05262 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:03:13 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05258 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:03:08 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28069; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:02:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37A052C8.5B3C0AA8@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:10:32 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pragma@wxs.nl, odw@hotpop.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... References: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <14239.6348.844231.836135@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Robert Howlett writes: > > > > Hans Hagen wrote: > > > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > > > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > > > > > > This looks like a change for the worse. What is the rationale? > > So that you can explicitly refer to picture resources several times > without resorting to form objects. Sure, its more wordy, but since > `real' users will never see the syntax (it'll be hidden in macros), > surely the more power the better? > > sebastian OK, if it is more power. I have used \pdfimage in conjuction with \pdfform to get this ability to refer to pictures several times. But this is not something one often wants. I was hoping that someone would explain (with examples) exactly how this change gives more power. Bob 29-Jul-1999 13:26:42-GMT,2615;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21744 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05351 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:16:37 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05348 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:16:33 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29869; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:16:16 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37A055FB.2277E7C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:24:11 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: odw , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... References: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <379EFDAA.A32D4512@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > > Robert Howlett wrote: > > > Hans Hagen wrote: > > > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > > > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > > > > This looks like a change for the worse. What is the rationale? > > Well, you can bet some thinking (and quite some of thanhs time) went > into it before it was changed -) I have no doubt of this -- though I am surprised it wasn't discussed on this list (especially considering the amount of discussion on this list of things that do not directly relate to pdftex!) > \def\pdfimages#1#% > {\dopdfimages{#1}} > > \def\dopdfimages#1#2#3% > {\immediate\pdfximage#1{#2}% > \immediate\pdfobj > {[ << /Image \the\pdflastximage\space0 R > /DefaultForPrinting true >> ]}% > \immediate\pdfximage#1 > attr {/Alternates \the\pdflastobj\space0 R}{#3}% > \pdfrefximage\pdflastximage} > > If you also want alternate images, see above \pdfimages{print > version}{screen version}. Both macros are in the new supp-pdf (as loaded > by latex) and therefore available for whoever want to use them. > I see: you can access the pdf object numbers of images and hence use this "Alternates" business (and maybe other pdf things?) That's a good reason for the change. Bob 29-Jul-1999 16:08:52-GMT,2424;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26014 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA06347 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:24:04 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06344 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:24:02 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.112]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA33D9; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:23:28 +0200 Message-ID: <37A06F3F.CC2640A3@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:11:59 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: Sebastian Rahtz , odw@hotpop.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... References: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <14239.6348.844231.836135@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37A052C8.5B3C0AA8@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > OK, if it is more power. I have used \pdfimage in conjuction > with \pdfform to get this ability to refer to pictures several > times. But this is not something one often wants. I was hoping > that someone would explain (with examples) exactly how this > change gives more power. pdfximage is just a special instance of an xform, namely an image. The current implementation therefore gives you a form ready for reuse as well as the ability to embed images at a higher res for printing and probably more in the future. This way (and by some more chnages) pdftex is rather well prepared for the future. An example of dual res can be found at the context beta page, file: johan.pdf. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Jul-1999 16:14:28-GMT,1755;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26212 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA06475 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:54:04 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06472 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:54:02 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (Mailer 3.01) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:53:56 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA23863; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:53:40 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:53:40 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: Robert Howlett , Sebastian Rahtz , odw@hotpop.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Many questions ......... In-Reply-To: <37A06F3F.CC2640A3@wxs.nl> References: <379DBFC1.413798CF@wxs.nl> <379EFB89.2965695C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <14239.6348.844231.836135@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37A052C8.5B3C0AA8@mail.usyd.edu.au> <37A06F3F.CC2640A3@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14240.30913.472144.507130@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans wrote -- > This way (and by some more chnages) pdftex > is rather well prepared for the future. But the future is SVG, surely: a no-res format:-)! chris 29-Jul-1999 16:54:50-GMT,1528;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27313 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA06992 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:42:45 -0400 Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06989 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:42:43 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17862 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990729124244.00928c80@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:42:44 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: requiring Acrobat 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Given that use of truetype fonts requires acrobat 4, is there a way to tell pdftex to include in the file something analagous to NeedsTeXFormat in LaTeX2e, which would tell the user that This Document Requires Acrobat 4, if someone attempts to read it in a prior version? Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 30-Jul-1999 7:05:07-GMT,2532;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19350 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA11242 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 02:55:47 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11239 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 02:55:45 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.47]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAF7C; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:55:12 +0200 Message-ID: <37A0BF72.76072F0F@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:54:10 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Philip A. Viton" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: requiring Acrobat 4 References: <3.0.2.32.19990729124244.00928c80@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip A. Viton wrote: > Given that use of truetype fonts requires acrobat 4, is there a way to tell > pdftex to include in the file something analagous to NeedsTeXFormat in > LaTeX2e, which would tell the user that This Document Requires Acrobat 4, > if someone attempts to read it in a prior version? True type was already there in version 3 viewers. What you mean is something 'you need a non buggy viewer to view this file' and that is of course outside the scope and influence of pdftex. It would be similar to 'this file only views ok on windows'. The first line of a pdf file sort of states what version pdf is used. Currently 1.2 pdf but will be 1.3 because due to its open character users can embed 1.3 pdf code. It is (was already) possible to include many thing snot supported by viewers but plugins, and viewers are supposed to gracefully recover. Although technically it's possible to include comments in pdf, it is far from trivial to do so in pdftex, due to asynchronous output of code. Viewers ignore comment anyway. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Jul-1999 16:17:03-GMT,2185;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02607 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA12521 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:02:10 -0400 Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12518 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:02:03 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15712 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990730120154.00923790@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:01:54 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: graphics inclusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm using a system (Scientific Word) which allows you to import graphics, and which it handles using the graphicsx package. However, the latex code generated by the system when you do this is of the form \includegraphics[natheight=2.528700in,natwidth=4.298100in, height=2.5702in,width=4.3491in]{winston.jpg} (line broken here for readability only). From a pdftex standpoint, the "natheight" and "natwidth" arguments seem to prevent the image from being included in the pdf file, while if you eliminate them, everything's fine. (Is this right, or is it something I'm doing wrong?) Question: assuming that I'm not making some mistake, is there a way that would allow pdftex to generate the graphic even if these two arguments are included? (Maybe by telling the system to ignore the arguments even if present)? Since Sci Word generates the statement automatically, it would be nice to not have to edit the tex file "by hand". Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 30-Jul-1999 21:27:07-GMT,2452;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11189 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA14741 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:14:42 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14737 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:14:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11AJz9-0004fT-00; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:14:35 +0100 Received: from max70.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.70] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11AJz8-0001q3-00; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:14:34 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14242.5391.624331.308930@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:11:43 +0100 (BST) To: pviton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: graphics inclusion In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990730120154.00923790@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> References: <3.0.2.32.19990730120154.00923790@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip A. Viton writes: > > I'm using a system (Scientific Word) which allows you to import graphics, > and which it handles using the graphicsx package. However, the latex code > generated by the system when you do this is of the form > > \includegraphics[natheight=2.528700in,natwidth=4.298100in, > height=2.5702in,width=4.3491in]{winston.jpg} > > (line broken here for readability only). From a pdftex standpoint, the > "natheight" and "natwidth" arguments seem to prevent the image from being > included in the pdf file, while if you eliminate them, everything's fine. > (Is this right, or is it something I'm doing wrong?) > for now, put this in your document preamble or class file: \makeatletter \define@key{Gin}{natwidth}{} \define@key{Gin}{natheight}{} \makeatother which will at least make it go through. David C, are you reading this? shall I add it to pdftex.def? It cannot be allowed to have any effect anyway. sebastian 30-Jul-1999 22:37:58-GMT,1312;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13096 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA15402 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:33:41 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15399 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:33:36 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id XAA02188; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:31:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:31:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199907302231.XAA02188@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk CC: pviton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <14242.5391.624331.308930@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> (sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk) Subject: Re: graphics inclusion References: <3.0.2.32.19990730120154.00923790@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> <14242.5391.624331.308930@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > which will at least make it go through. David C, are you reading this? > shall I add it to pdftex.def? yes no (for now) David 31-Jul-1999 19:42:35-GMT,1703;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10377 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA17264 for pdftex-list; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:03:11 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17261 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:03:09 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05862 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:03:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29089 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:03:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199907311903.VAA29089@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.14a released To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:03:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, pdftex-0.14a is available at http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/tmp/ The location is temporary only, as at the moment the ftp server of our faculty is down. I am being away for a week, so will reply comments and bug reports when I come back. Hans Hagen knows very well about all changes. At the above location is also an archive writet1.zip, which is the t1 partial downloading code modified for use with dvipsk. See file README inside. Thanh 2-Aug-1999 9:07:48-GMT,2790;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27732 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA20314 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:50:14 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA20311 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:50:12 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11BDnO-0003Lw-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:50:10 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=mail) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11BDnO-00025B-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:50:10 +0100 Received: from rahtz by spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.02 #1 (Debian)) id 11BEjs-0006eR-00; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:50:36 +0000 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SHAREWARE: PStill 1.20 for Linux - PS to PDF converter References: From: Sebastian Rahtz Date: 02 Aug 1999 09:50:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Frank M. Siegert"'s message of "Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:22:53 GMT" Message-ID: <87zp0a7bpv.fsf@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Anyone have experience with PStill as a way of doing the "EPS to PDF" task most of us are stuck with? sebastian > > I'd like to announce the availability of a new version of PStill - my > PostScript to PDF converter program. The release 1.20 features a number > of enhancements in the field of compatibility and unifies the engine with > the Windows version. > > PStill 1.20 is currently available for Linux/Intel, Solaris/Sparc and > IRIX 6.x/MIPS and can be downloaded from > > http://www.this.net/~frank/pstill.html > > Also available on the page is the current Windows release 1.06 which is > now based on the same engine as the *NIX versions, the fully supported > Mac OS X program, the NeXTSTEP/OpenStep releases and older versions for > FreeBSD and HPUX. PStill 1.20 too will be ported to FreeBSD, HPUX and > BeOS and perhaps others. > > New usage policies: Starting with version 1.20 all *NIX command line > versions except the Mac OS X release may be used freely for private and > educational purposes - this includes converting your student or research > work to PDF. Commercial users of the free version still must register. > > I would like to hear from you should you find it useful or find an error > or shortcoming. > > Frank Siegert > frank@this.net > 2-Aug-1999 9:28:57-GMT,1662;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28172 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA20415 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:20:40 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA20412 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:20:38 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11BEGr-0003xk-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:20:37 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11BEGr-0004CI-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:20:37 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14245.28942.728721.271292@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:21:02 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Fabrice POPINEAU ] In-Reply-To: <199908010828.EAA18610@tug.org> References: <199908010828.EAA18610@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Fabrice POPINEAU .. > It seems that the released version is impossible to get as of today. > Anybody mirrored it ? > I just sucked it. Can you see it now? sebastian 29-Jul-1999 15:56:01-GMT,2085;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25668 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA06343 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:24:02 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06340 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:23:59 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.112]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5489; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:23:22 +0200 Message-ID: <37A06B01.7B0B415F@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:53:53 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: \pdfpageattr vs. \pdfpagesattr References: <3.0.6.32.19990729133344.007a6d70@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > Where to get a newer pdfTeX manual? > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex-a.pdf has date > February 19, 1999 >From www.pragma-ade.nl -> pdftex There will be some more changes, so consider it just as beta as version 14 and please don't copy it to other sites yet. pdftex-a.pdf a4 version pdftex-l.pdf letter version pdftex-b.pdf booklet version (one can use texexec to produce such booklets) pdftex-s.pdf screen version cross linked to pdftex-a > I understand \pdfpage(s)attr as a token register that is cleared > nowhere. Indeed, just like \everypar Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Aug-1999 12:08:32-GMT,2418;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01311 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA21059 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:54:34 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21056 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:54:32 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07887; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:54:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id NAA05000; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:58:40 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:58:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908021158.NAA05000@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SHAREWARE: PStill 1.20 for Linux - PS to PDF converter In-Reply-To: <87zp0a7bpv.fsf@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <87zp0a7bpv.fsf@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: SHAREWARE: PStill 1.20 for Linux - PS to PDF converter », Sebastian Rahtz écrit : « » Anyone have experience with PStill as a way of doing the "EPS to PDF" » task most of us are stuck with? For one reason or another, I've always been stuck at some point. For instance, setting the correct MediaBox is tedious. In one case I simply couldn't force it to obey a BBox wider than its defaults. As it's not Level 2, I'm afraid that the setpage device trick used by psfit won't help. The PS interpreter is robust but much less versatile than gs, many fonts won't be useable. My feeling is that it could be a very nice simple distiller (ps -> pdf on whole docs) but not peculiarly suited for massive eps2pdf conversion. Would be glad to hear of positive experiences, though. If gs now does the right thing for fonts (and settransfer ??) I'd go rather that way. Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. 2-Aug-1999 17:26:49-GMT,2688;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10509 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA21682 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:15:57 -0400 Received: from elch.de.uu.net (elch.de.uu.net [192.76.144.55]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21679 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:15:56 -0400 Received: from gmx.de (pec-178.au3.b.uunet.de [149.228.254.178]) by elch.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id TAA28944; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:14:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37A5D22B.4EEA5D3D@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:15:23 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: Re: SHAREWARE: PStill 1.20 for Linux - PS to PDF converter References: <87zp0a7bpv.fsf@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <199908021158.NAA05000@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Thierry, > Would be glad to hear of positive experiences, though. > If gs now does the right thing for fonts (and settransfer ??) I'd go > rather that way. I have no problems with fonts with gs 5.87beta (the first version which introduces font embedding for ps2pdf, from News.htm: In this fileset, the pdfwrite device finally handles general Type 1 fonts, and can write them in both embedded and non-embedded form. This fileset also contains a few more changes to the text API, and some incompatible changes to the gs_font procedure vector: more such changes are likely. It also fixes a couple of long-standing pdfmark bugs.) For settransfer: Test yourself (if you send me an example, I could also test it; maybe I'll try it myself, but I'm presently a little but short of time and tired). Shading is btw. also something which isn't presently supported in GS 5.87beta, but Peter Deutsch promissed that this will change with the next beta. Also some pdfmarks don't really work, alternative images are also currently not supported [for output, I haven't tried them for input].) The beta is available at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/tester.html (not 100% sure about URL). And Ghostscript 6.0 can be expected around 30 September. Greetings, Tobias PS: GS will soon be developed using a open souce model as Apache or so, Peter Deutsch announced. 2-Aug-1999 23:04:32-GMT,2242;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21276 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA22359 for pdftex-list; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:55:41 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22356 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:55:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11BQzZ-0007di-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:55:37 +0100 Received: from max50.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.50] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11BQzY-00010k-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:55:37 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14246.8740.36242.702735@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:56:36 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: mmoll@gs236.sp.cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Mark Moll ] In-Reply-To: <199908022112.RAA22236@tug.org> References: <199908022112.RAA22236@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > >> > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > >> > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage .. > SR> So that you can explicitly refer to picture resources several times > SR> without resorting to form objects. Sure, its more wordy, but since > SR> `real' users will never see the syntax (it'll be hidden in macros), > SR> surely the more power the better? > > I am not a PDF expert, but couldn't this form object reuse be automated? > I.e., the first time I use \pdfimage{filename} a form object is defined & a > reference to that object is inserted and subsequent uses of > \pdfimage{filename} only insert a reference. thats just what the LaTeX graphics package does, in its pdftex driver sebastian 3-Aug-1999 8:30:17-GMT,3320;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04782 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23651 for pdftex-list; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:20:26 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23648 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:20:24 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.33]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA23B1; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:19:48 +0200 Message-ID: <37A697C1.DB062074@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:18:25 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org, mmoll@gs236.sp.cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Mark Moll ] References: <199908022112.RAA22236@tug.org> <14246.8740.36242.702735@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > >> > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > > >> > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > .. > > SR> So that you can explicitly refer to picture resources several times > > SR> without resorting to form objects. Sure, its more wordy, but since > > SR> `real' users will never see the syntax (it'll be hidden in macros), > > SR> surely the more power the better? > > > > I am not a PDF expert, but couldn't this form object reuse be automated? > > I.e., the first time I use \pdfimage{filename} a form object is defined & a > > reference to that object is inserted and subsequent uses of > > \pdfimage{filename} only insert a reference. > > thats just what the LaTeX graphics package does, in its pdftex driver Reuse was already possible by using \pdfform, actually an xform. Images are a special kind of xform, so when implementing a reuse mechanism the current implementation saves a level of indirectness, which in itself is not the most important new feature. The main reason behind the change in syntax was (1) consistency (all form alike) and (2) the ability to embed an image without using it, but for instance include alternative images for printing. In ConTeXt this is supported by saying: \externalfigure[therealfigure.png][width=4cm,height=6cm,screen=thefakefigure.png] Figures are reused when possible of course, but that's not new. The context module supp-pdf.tex (which is available in most distributions) implements \pdfimage as backward compatible command as well as \pdfimages that takes two filenames, of which one is the alternative. It's not that hard to build a reuse mechanism on top of that. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 3-Aug-1999 8:30:18-GMT,3313;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04783 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23647 for pdftex-list; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:20:22 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23644 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:20:20 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.33]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA23B1; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:19:48 +0200 Message-ID: <37A697C1.DB062074@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:18:25 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org, mmoll@gs236.sp.cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Mark Moll ] References: <199908022112.RAA22236@tug.org> <14246.8740.36242.702735@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > >> > version < 14 : \pdfimage {filename} % .png .jpg .pdf > > >> > version > 13 : \pdfximage{filename}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > .. > > SR> So that you can explicitly refer to picture resources several times > > SR> without resorting to form objects. Sure, its more wordy, but since > > SR> `real' users will never see the syntax (it'll be hidden in macros), > > SR> surely the more power the better? > > > > I am not a PDF expert, but couldn't this form object reuse be automated? > > I.e., the first time I use \pdfimage{filename} a form object is defined & a > > reference to that object is inserted and subsequent uses of > > \pdfimage{filename} only insert a reference. > > thats just what the LaTeX graphics package does, in its pdftex driver Reuse was already possible by using \pdfform, actually an xform. Images are a special kind of xform, so when implementing a reuse mechanism the current implementation saves a level of indirectness, which in itself is not the most important new feature. The main reason behind the change in syntax was (1) consistency (all form alike) and (2) the ability to embed an image without using it, but for instance include alternative images for printing. In ConTeXt this is supported by saying: \externalfigure[therealfigure.png][width=4cm,height=6cm,screen=thefakefigure.png] Figures are reused when possible of course, but that's not new. The context module supp-pdf.tex (which is available in most distributions) implements \pdfimage as backward compatible command as well as \pdfimages that takes two filenames, of which one is the alternative. It's not that hard to build a reuse mechanism on top of that. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Aug-1999 8:41:49-GMT,1634;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27452 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA21152 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:17:39 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (root@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA21149 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:17:34 -0400 Received: from mars.rcode.com.au (s321280.student.uq.edu.au [172.20.146.140]) by bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15284 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:17:28 +1000 (GMT+1000) Received: by mars.rcode.com.au (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:17:04 +1000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:17:04 +1000 From: Tony Keating To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Linking to external pdf files from \pdfoutline Message-ID: <19990812181704.A2882@mars.rcode.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk For some reason unknown to me, the following doesn't work. pdftex processes it fine, but acrobat reader doesn't like it. \pdfoutline goto file {other.pdf} page 1 {/FitH} {some text here} Anybody have any ideas? Tony. -- Tony Keating PhD student - Large Eddy Simulation of near-wall mass transfer System Administrator - Physical Sciences and Engineering Computing Laboratory Department of Mechanical Engineering, University of Queensland 12-Aug-1999 11:56:08-GMT,1913;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01376 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA21541 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:43:40 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21538 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:41:50 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.140.9]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24948 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:40:36 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 12 Aug 99 12:41:13 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 12 Aug 99 12:40:50 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 12 Aug 99 12:40:44 + 00 Message-ID: <37B2B590.41B0CC9B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:52:48 +0100 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Multipage document -> Single page output. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I don't know if this is a pdfTeX question or a TeX question. I have a multi-page document, which outputs correctly and I want to get the same document but separated in different pages, I mean, each page is a file, instead of one file with all the pages? Is it possible? I do it with postscript, but I would like to do it in PDF without converting PS -> PDF with GhostScript but with pdfTeX directly. Thanks in advance. Sean McCarthy. 12-Aug-1999 13:10:13-GMT,2077;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02765 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA21884 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:58:55 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21881 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:58:54 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11EuRZ-0007Pa-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:58:53 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EuRY-0002zF-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:58:52 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14258.54073.89417.371585@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:59:21 +0000 (GMT) To: 6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Multipage document -> Single page output. In-Reply-To: <37B2B590.41B0CC9B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> References: <37B2B590.41B0CC9B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sean C. McCarthy writes: > I don't know if this is a pdfTeX question or a TeX question. I have a > multi-page document, which outputs correctly and I want to get the same > document but separated in different pages, I mean, each page is a file, > instead of one file with all the pages? Is it possible? I do it with > postscript, but I would like to do it in PDF without converting PS -> > PDF with GhostScript but with pdfTeX directly. Thanks in advance. you can do it with Acrobat, by hand. i can think of other ways, mostly tedious. look at the "pj" tooklit (http://www.etymon.com/pj), from which you can probably construct a script to do it sebastian 12-Aug-1999 14:40:05-GMT,1816;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04888 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA22457 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:28:17 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22454 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:28:10 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Evpi-0000HQ-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:27:54 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Evph-0002ub-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:27:53 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14258.59413.817056.912880@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:28:21 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: support@YandY.com, support@micropress.com Subject: hyperref 6.65 X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have put a new release of the hyperref package on CTAN and on http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref The changes largely related to bookmarks, and cleaning up small things. so far as I can tell, this release is entirely OK with version 0.14 and earlier releases of pdftex Please note that I am away now for 3 weeks. If anyone finds a desparate bug in hyperref, report it to Heiko Oberdiek. He has write access to www.tug.org, and is (I hope) taking over some of the hyperref development and maintenance chores. Sebastian 12-Aug-1999 17:15:24-GMT,2171;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09000 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24273 for pdftex-list; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:08:01 -0400 Received: from diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (kropp@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de [134.106.80.28]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24270 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:07:59 -0400 Received: (from kropp@localhost) by diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id TAA16636 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:07:52 +0200 (METDST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:07:52 +0200 (METDST) From: Juergen Kropp Message-Id: <199908121707.TAA16636@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: H05Xq0gXS5h5hRDrw9l4Ug== Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi (La)TeX'ers, I'am trying to compile a Latex2e-File including sidetable and sidefigure macros with pdflatex, but it doesn't work. Have anybody an idea ? Thanx Juergen _\\|//_ (' O^O ') +------------------------o00-(_)-00o--------------------------+ | Juergen Kropp | |Institute for Chemistry and Biology of the Marine Environment| | Systems Analysis and Modeling Group | | \ | / P.O.Box: 2503, 26111 Oldenburg | | - - * - - | | / | \ Phone: ++49 (0) 441 798 2092 | | Fax: ++49 (0) 441 798 3404 | | __ __o _ e-mail: | | __--_`\<;_ _____// kropp@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de | | ___(_)/_(_)___///////// kropp@pik-potsdam.de | | URL: http://www.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de/kropp/index.html | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ 13-Aug-1999 6:57:26-GMT,2335;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27236 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA26461 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:50:20 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA26458 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:50:18 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.111]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA57E1; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <37B31A73.E4B47CFA@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:03:15 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Multipage document -> Single page output. References: <37B2B590.41B0CC9B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Sean C. McCarthy" wrote: > I don't know if this is a pdfTeX question or a TeX question. I have a > multi-page document, which outputs correctly and I want to get the same > document but separated in different pages, I mean, each page is a file, > instead of one file with all the pages? Is it possible? I do it with > postscript, but I would like to do it in PDF without converting PS -> > PDF with GhostScript but with pdfTeX directly. Thanks in advance. TeX has only one output file per session. One solution is to tell tex to only output one specific page, another solution is to generate the whole file and many small ones actually being pdfximage's, one per page. The first solution depends on the macro package you use (context has this feature built in) and for the second one you need a few lines of perl. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Aug-1999 13:45:48-GMT,1496;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04986 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA27568 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:22:51 -0400 Received: from diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (kropp@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de [134.106.80.28]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27564 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:22:43 -0400 Received: (from kropp@localhost) by diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id PAA17251 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:22:35 +0200 (METDST) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:22:35 +0200 (METDST) From: Juergen Kropp Message-Id: <199908131322.PAA17251@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: VD/XPjUTBp8WPeKqZ4KpUA== Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, I am trying to use figures with [htb] option and within a hyperref environment an compile it via pdflatex and i got the following error message (./includes/ch2/fig2_1.pdf) ! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup. \color@endbox ->\color@endgroup \egroup l.199 \end{figure} If I use usepackage{float} and substituting [htb] with [H] ist works well. Is this a bug ? Juergen 13-Aug-1999 14:59:19-GMT,1597;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06578 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA28009 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:41:01 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28005 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:40:55 -0400 Received: from remote142-5.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.5] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11FIVn-000051-00; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:40:51 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990813164029.2b5f634e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:40:29 +0200 To: Juergen Kropp , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: figure In-Reply-To: <199908131322.PAA17251@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 15:22 13.08.1999 +0200, Juergen Kropp wrote: >I am trying to use figures with [htb] option >and within a hyperref environment >an compile it via pdflatex and i got the following >error message > >! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup. >[...] Please provide a short test file and tell us the versions you use. Yours sincerely Heiko 13-Aug-1999 18:36:44-GMT,1390;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12608 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28838 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:23:14 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (root@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28835 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:23:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04005 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:22:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SHAREWARE: PStill 1.20 for Linux - PS to PDF converter In-Reply-To: <87zp0a7bpv.fsf@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 2 Aug 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Anyone have experience with PStill as a way of doing the > "EPS to PDF" task most of us are stuck with? Thanks for the pointer. I just installed PStill for Linux and tried it on a few eps files. It seems to work nicely. Allin Cottrell. 13-Aug-1999 21:27:36-GMT,2358;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17271 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA29285 for pdftex-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:14:56 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA29282 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:14:53 -0400 Received: from remote142-55.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.55] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11FOf3-0003wD-00; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:14:50 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990813231408.0ccfb300@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:14:08 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: figure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Juergen, At 17:09 13.08.1999 +0200, Juergen Kropp wrote: 1. The doublespace problem: >[...] %works well if doublespace.sty is not used ! Package 'doublespace' is an old LaTeX2.09 package. The Catalogue says: Defines the spacing environment which you can use anywhere in your document. This package is superseded by setspace. So I think it is better, you try out the LaTeX2e package setspace. 2. Graphics inclusion. >\begin{figure}[h]\centering %works well if doublespace.sty is not used ! >\hfill\pdfimage width 1.\linewidth {./bilder/ch2/pdf/fig2_1.pdf}\hfill\mbox{} a) You are centering the image twice. b) The internal commands for image inclusion changes very often: \pdfimage width ... picture.pdf (0.12) \pdfimage width ... {picture.pdf} (0.13) \pdfximage width ... {picture.pdf}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage (0.14) So I recommend package graphicx: \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} ... \centering \includegraphics[width=\linewidth]{./bilder/.../fig2_1.pdf}% 3. \begin{figure}[h] You have read CTAN:info/epslatex{.ps,.pdf}? Yours sincerely Heiko PS: Because I couldn't send you an email several times, I answered your question in the list. 16-Aug-1999 16:53:50-GMT,1514;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15182 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01646 for pdftex-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:32:48 -0400 Received: from diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (kropp@[134.106.80.28]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01643 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:32:43 -0400 Received: (from kropp@localhost) by diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id SAA18623; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:32:31 +0200 (METDST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:32:31 +0200 (METDST) From: Juergen Kropp Message-Id: <199908161632.SAA18623@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: Working@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de, with@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de, \index@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de, under@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de, pdftex@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: zTkH6sluguLo/5qeTrupvg== Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, does anybody have some experience on this topic and can give me an example or a hint to a manual or something else. Additionally, exists a possibibility to use the resources of the rotating package and its clones (sidefigure etc..) in combination with pdflatex ? Regards Juergen Kropp 16-Aug-1999 19:14:43-GMT,2304;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19051 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02132 for pdftex-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:00:25 -0400 Received: from isy.liu.se (root@isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02129 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:00:23 -0400 Received: from vaz.isy.liu.se (vaz.isy.liu.se [130.236.50.217]) by isy.liu.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08683 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:00:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost by vaz.isy.liu.se (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id VAA01665; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:00:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:00:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Erik Frisk To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Page setup? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have a problem with paper size. I run pdflatex (pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.13d kpathsea version 3.3.1) on the following little document: \documentclass[a4paper]{article} \begin{document} Hello world \end{document} and open it in acrobat reader (4.0 for Solaris). Then I get the right size (210x297 mm) in the status-bar, but when I choose 'Page Setup' in the file-menu, it says 'Letter' with the consequence that when I print it out it comes out off center. The road via dvips/distiller does not behave like this. My pdftex.cfg includes the lines: page_width 210mm page_height 297mm Anyone who can explain and find a remedy for this phenomenon? /Erik --------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Frisk email: frisk@isy.liu.se Dept. of Electrical Engineering tel: +46 13 285714 Vehicular Systems fax: +46 13 282035 Linköping University S-581 83 Linköping SWEDEN www.vehicular.isy.liu.se/~frisk --------------------------------------------------------------------- 16-Aug-1999 22:31:46-GMT,2316;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24349 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA02629 for pdftex-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:00:52 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02626 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:00:50 -0400 Received: from max98.public.ox.ac.uk (max98.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.98]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA01421; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:01:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:00:50 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Erik Frisk cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Page setup? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Erik Frisk wrote: > I have a problem with paper size. I run pdflatex (pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) > 3.14159-0.13d kpathsea version 3.3.1) on the following little document: > > \documentclass[a4paper]{article} > \begin{document} > Hello world > \end{document} > > and open it in acrobat reader (4.0 for Solaris). Then I get the right > size (210x297 mm) in the status-bar, but when I choose 'Page Setup' in the It does indeed say Page Setup, but when you bring up the Dialog box it says `Print Setup', and on Windows it comes from the printer driver. The online help say to consult your printer driver! > file-menu, it says 'Letter' with the consequence that when I print it out > it comes out off center. The road via dvips/distiller does not behave like > this. It does for me (that is, I get letter in Acroread4 on Solaris whatever the document is). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 16-Aug-1999 23:58:08-GMT,2479;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26379 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02952 for pdftex-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:51:02 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA02949 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:50:59 -0400 Received: from remote142-157.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.157] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11GWWQ-0006PW-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:50:35 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990817014853.08978f8e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:48:53 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: hyperref 6.65b: Unicode/Cyrillic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, At 10:58 17.06.1999 +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >[...] I expect the next thing to happen >will be Heiko Oberdiek's work on Unicode bookmarks. A long time later ... I have added the possibility to use Unicode as encoding in bookmarks and have started with Cyrillic glyph commands. Use: * Package option 'unicode' loads the internal Unicode support and enables Unicode bookmarks: \usepackage[unicode]{hyperref} * You can switch between the PDFDocEncoding and Unicode with \hypersetup: \hypersetup{unicode}% or \hypersetup{unicode=true} \section{Unicode}% \hypersetup{unicode=false}% \section{PDFDocEncoding}% Requirements: * Version 4 of Acrobat Reader. * Multilingual support of Win32 should be installed in order to be able to see Cyrillic glyphs in the bookmarks. For other operating systems is this an unsolved problem, any hints? * The Cyrillic characters should be produced by active characters or macros that uses the LaTeX Cyrillic command names. I have put a test version 6.65b of hyperref on http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyp665b.zip (hyperref.zip remains the old CTAN version 6.65.) 'ChangeLog' contains the newest changes. Help with other languages, glyph names, or setting up AcrobatReader is always welcome. Yours sincerely Heiko 17-Aug-1999 6:04:25-GMT,2330;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04269 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA03708 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:57:32 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de (mail.detewe.de [194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03705 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:57:26 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2846 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:55:55 +0200 Message-ID: <37B8FA53.E3769AD1@detewe.de> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:59:47 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Page setup? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id BAA03706 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Erik Frisk wrote: [...] > and open it in acrobat reader (4.0 for Solaris). Then I get the right > size (210x297 mm) in the status-bar, but when I choose 'Page Setup' in the > file-menu, it says 'Letter' with the consequence that when I print it out > it comes out off center. The road via dvips/distiller does not behave like > this. [...] I noticed this too and couldn't find any solution to configure Acrobat Reader (4.0 for Solaris and Linux) to set the default paper size in "File / Print Setup" to A4 :-( If there is a way to do this I would very much appreciate any hint... Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Wiedmann | Cordless Technology A/S | "Keep computers away from windows" Köpenicker Str. 180 | (Garfinkel/Spafford: D-10997 Berlin | Practical Unix & Internet Security) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17-Aug-1999 13:56:12-GMT,2933;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13870 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA04652 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:01:30 -0400 Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de (mailout02.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.150]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04649 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:01:25 -0400 Received: from fwd00.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.160]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11GirZ-0007uU-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:01:13 +0200 Received: from moebius.priv (063337222-0001(btxid)@[62.156.16.117]) by fwd00.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:00:57 +0200 Received: (from skirsch@localhost) by moebius.priv (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id GAA00950 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:10:39 +0200 Message-ID: <19990817061039.A643@moebius.priv> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:10:39 +0200 To: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: Page setup? Mail-Followup-To: pdfTeX Mailing List References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: ; from Prof Brian D Ripley on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 11:00:50PM +0100 X-Sender: 063337222-0001@t-online.de From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 11:00:50PM +0100, Prof Brian D Ripley wrote: > > file-menu, it says 'Letter' with the consequence that when I print it out > > it comes out off center. The road via dvips/distiller does not behave like > > this. > It does for me (that is, I get letter in Acroread4 on Solaris whatever the > document is). It's even worse. I use Acroread 4 under Linux, and I got so fed up with the fact that Acroread constantly changes the paper size that I edited .acrorc by hand (adding "*PaperSize: 6", which means A4) and set it to read-only. The result is that the paper size displayed in File->Page Setup is A4, but the *dimensions* (displayed in the same dialog box) are those of letter paper. When I say cancel and open this dialog a second time, it says "Letter", which is correct; or I have to select A4 a second time so that the paper size and the dimensions match. :-( Well. It seems that the decaying standards of software quality of the windows world are seeping into the unix world as well ... (This is just a sarcastic aside, so there's no need to reply to it.) -- Yours, Sebastian *** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage *** *** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift. *** 17-Aug-1999 19:19:32-GMT,1667;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25195 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA05753 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:47:52 -0400 Received: from mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.32]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05750 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:47:50 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12838 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990817144736.009255d0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:47:36 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: scaling truetype fonts? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Does pdftex by any chance scale down truetype fonts (slightly) when producing pdf output? I did a test of some material using the dc fonts (in this case Kinch's truetype versions) and at all three basic sizes pdftex produced text which was noticeably smaller that what was produced with \pdfoutput=0 and then viewed in Kinch's previewer. If there is some scaling going on, is there any way to avoid it? Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 17-Aug-1999 20:04:58-GMT,2196;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26407 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA05915 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:44:29 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05910 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:44:14 -0400 Received: from remote142-146.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.146] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Gp9X-0001jB-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:44:12 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990817213104.222722f0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:31:04 +0200 To: Karsten Tinnefeld , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyperref 6.65b: Unicode/Cyrillic In-Reply-To: <199908170733.JAA04685@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:33 17.08.1999 +0200, Karsten Tinnefeld wrote: > >> * Multilingual support of Win32 should be installed in order to >> be able to see Cyrillic glyphs in the bookmarks. >> For other operating systems is this an unsolved problem, >> any hints? > >FSF Emacs handels these characters by packaging free fonts for the >X Server in several encodings. The current version is >intlfonts-1.1.tar.gz, available on all GNU mirror sites. It requires >the user to put them into his font path or X font server, then tells >the server to display them. Thus, most important question is whether >acroread wants to display them and how. Yes the question remains :-( I have installed intlfonts-european, but I cannot see more glyphs in acroread. Yours sincerely Heiko 17-Aug-1999 20:23:45-GMT,1492;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26915 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA06022 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:59:38 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (root@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06019 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:59:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17461 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:58:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: scaling truetype fonts? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990817144736.009255d0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Philip A. Viton wrote: > Does pdftex by any chance scale down truetype fonts (slightly) when > producing pdf output? I don't know if it's what you're seeing, but Acroread 4 under Linux seems to scale down everything slightly on printing -- I suppose it's something to do with their messed-up page size routines. This is not specific to TrueType. Allin Cottrell. 18-Aug-1999 0:42:34-GMT,1637;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03425 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA06920 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:37:54 -0400 Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06917 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:37:52 -0400 Received: from ppp11845.qc.bellglobal.com (ppp11845.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.149.78]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25330 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Message error on \href Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37bdfd86.33071748@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all I use package hyperref. With a "small" tex file, I have no problem with Acrobat 4.0 on a URL like \href{mailto:Pierred1@sympatico.ca}{Pierre Desjardins} My favorite email program is then ready to receive the text.. But with larger files, I often get the following error message (this is a translation from my french version of Acrobat) Impossible to follow that relative link: /mailtounskip penalty @ M: Pierred1@sympatico.ca Any idea? I use hyperref 1999/07/08 6.63 Thanks! Pierre Desjardins Sherbrooke, Québec 18-Aug-1999 1:35:49-GMT,1613;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04624 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA07192 for pdftex-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:28:48 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07189 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:28:46 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11GuWz-0002B5-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:28:45 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11GuWy-00050W-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:28:44 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14266.6779.314427.926659@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:29:15 +0000 (GMT) To: pierred1@sympatico.ca Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Message error on \href In-Reply-To: <37bdfd86.33071748@smtp1.sympatico.ca> References: <37bdfd86.33071748@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pierre Desjardins writes: > > But with larger files, I often get the following error message > (this is a translation from my french version of Acrobat) what do you mean by "larger files"? the email \href is *identical*? Sebastian 18-Aug-1999 13:08:48-GMT,14380;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18792 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA08913 for pdftex-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:40:33 -0400 Received: from mercur.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08910 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:40:31 -0400 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se (hobbe.lin.foa.se [150.227.33.76]) by mercur.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08377 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:40:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA20701; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:39:53 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (IDENT:chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31271 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:42:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199908181242.OAA31271@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdflatex, landscape and acroread From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h patch level 1 Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, british, swedish, no= hyphen ation, loaded. 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I got the same problem with it. It makes ":" an active character and Acrobat Reader doesn't understand the URL, so you have to use "\string:" in place of ":" in a URL. Christophe Declercq cdeclercq@nordnet.fr ---------- > De : Pierre Desjardins > A : pdftex@tug.org > Objet : Message error on \href > Date : mercredi 18 août 1999 02:38 > > Hi to all > > I use package hyperref. With a "small" tex file, I have no problem with Acrobat 4.0 > on a URL like \href{mailto:Pierred1@sympatico.ca}{Pierre Desjardins} > My favorite email program is then ready to receive the text.. > > But with larger files, I often get the following error message (this is a translation > from my french version of Acrobat) > > Impossible to follow that relative link: /mailtounskip penalty @ M: > Pierred1@sympatico.ca > > Any idea? I use hyperref 1999/07/08 6.63 > > Thanks! > > Pierre Desjardins > Sherbrooke, Québec 18-Aug-1999 15:19:50-GMT,2227;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21949 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09471 for pdftex-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:05:35 -0400 Received: from ufc.univ-fcomte.fr (ufc.univ-fcomte.fr [194.57.91.200]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09468 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:05:33 -0400 Received: from utinam.univ-fcomte.fr (utinam.univ-fcomte.fr [194.57.91.201]) by ufc.univ-fcomte.fr (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01134; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:04:55 +0100 (WET DST) Received: from local.univ-fcomte.fr (ppp05.univ-fcomte.fr [193.55.66.5]) by utinam.univ-fcomte.fr (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21871; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:07:01 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990818170312.006fb288@math.univ-fcomte.fr> X-Sender: petiard@math.univ-fcomte.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) [F] Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:03:12 +0200 To: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 , pdftex@tug.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_P=E9tiard?= Subject: Re: pdflatex, landscape and acroread In-Reply-To: <199908181242.OAA31271@arnljot.lin.foa.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id LAA09469 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk A 14:42 18/08/99 +0200, Christian Jönsson FOA 72 a écrit : > >I have a thought that might interest others. When I use slides, I want them >in landscape usually. This works fine with latex, xdvi and postscript >viewers. But if I run pdflatex on the souirce .tex file, the landsacpe >global option does not seem to have any impact when viewing or printing >the document in/from acroread. > >Any ideas of what goes on and how to address the "problem"? > \pdfpageheight=\paperheight \pdfpagewidth=\paperwidth before \begin{document} will solve your problem. F. Pétiard François Pétiard Courriel : petiard@math.univ-fcomte.fr 18-Aug-1999 21:29:57-GMT,2687;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02452 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA11791 for pdftex-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:15:26 -0400 Received: from mercur.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11788 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:15:24 -0400 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se (hobbe.lin.foa.se [150.227.33.76]) by mercur.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20649; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:15:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA26341; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:14:38 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (IDENT:chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01151; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:17:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199908182117.XAA01151@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E9tiard?= cc: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex, landscape and acroread In-reply-to: petiard's message of Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:03:12 +0200. <3.0.1.32.19990818170312.006fb288@math.univ-fcomte.fr> From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h A 14:42 18/08/99 +0200, Christian Jönsson FOA 72 a écrit : > > > >I have a thought that might interest others. When I use slides, I want them > >in landscape usually. This works fine with latex, xdvi and postscript > >viewers. But if I run pdflatex on the souirce .tex file, the landsacpe > >global option does not seem to have any impact when viewing or printing > >the document in/from acroread. > > > >Any ideas of what goes on and how to address the "problem"? > > > > > \pdfpageheight=\paperheight > \pdfpagewidth=\paperwidth > > before \begin{document} will solve your problem. > > F. Pétiard > > > > > > François Pétiard > Courriel : petiard@math.univ-fcomte.fr > 18-Aug-1999 22:08:01-GMT,1467;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03553 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA11975 for pdftex-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:04:03 -0400 Received: from wanadoo.fr (root@smtp-out-006.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.98]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11972 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:04:00 -0400 Received: from villosa.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.122] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:03:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [164.138.182.188] (164.138.85.30) by villosa.wanadoo.fr; 19 Aug 1999 00:03:49 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199908182117.XAA01151@arnljot.lin.foa.se> References: <199908182117.XAA01151@arnljot.lin.foa.se> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:03:45 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Michel Bovani Subject: Re: pdflatex, landscape and acroread Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >But couldn't this be made "automagically" by pdftex? > >/ChJ Not by pdftex, but some packages (i.e. hyperref, color, graphics) do it for you... instead of saying \pdfpagewidth... Say, for instance \usepackage{hyperref} --- Michel Bovani 19-Aug-1999 4:58:26-GMT,2126;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13361 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA13129 for pdftex-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:50:10 -0400 Received: from mercur.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13126 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:50:07 -0400 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se (hobbe.lin.foa.se [150.227.33.76]) by mercur.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA28704; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:50:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA29122; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:49:27 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (IDENT:chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02563; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:52:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199908190452.GAA02563@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Michel Bovani cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex, landscape and acroread In-reply-to: michel.bovani's message of Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:03:45 +0200. From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h >But couldn't this be made "automagically" by pdftex? > > > >/ChJ > > Not by pdftex, but some packages (i.e. hyperref, color, graphics) > do it for you... > > instead of saying \pdfpagewidth... > > Say, for instance > \usepackage{hyperref} > > > --- Michel Bovani > I see, but perhaps the pdftex.cfg could be changed to do that? /ChJ 19-Aug-1999 14:19:57-GMT,1469;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25162 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA14900 for pdftex-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:01:02 -0400 Received: from mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14897 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:01:00 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10348 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990819100057.00927ec0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:00:57 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: query regarding hyperref.sty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hyperref.sty needs url.sty: a quick search on ctan found two likely candidates, namely one in macros/jadetex/cooked and one in macros/latex/contrib/other/misc --- which one should I get? Thanks! Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 19-Aug-1999 7:48:28-GMT,1961;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17272 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA13755 for pdftex-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:38:14 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA13752 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:38:11 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.222]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA26D5; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:37:38 +0200 Message-ID: <37BBB41A.C73177E1@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:36:58 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 Subject: Re: pdflatex, landscape and acroread References: <199908182117.XAA01151@arnljot.lin.foa.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id DAA13753 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Christian Jönsson FOA 72 wrote: > But couldn't this be made "automagically" by pdftex? Definitely not, this is so,ething for the macro package you use to take care of. PDFTEX is happily unaware of what goes onto a page, what paper size is used, what print paper size is used, what screen size is used for cropping, etc. But you macro packages know it and can instruct pdftex. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Aug-1999 22:40:22-GMT,1505;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09362 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA17783 for pdftex-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:28:17 -0400 Received: from mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.30]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17780 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:28:15 -0400 Received: from pviton (ts32-10.homenet.ohio-state.edu [140.254.114.145]) by mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01280; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990819182834.0093cab0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:28:34 -0300 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: hyperref question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm experimenting with the hyperref package in pdftex mode; when I run the included file test1.tex it bombs on \pdfannotlink (the reference is to line 61 in the file). Does this suggest to anyone what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! ------------------------ Philip A. Viton City Planning, Ohio State University 190 W. 17th Ave,Columbus OH 43210 viton.1@osu.edu 19-Aug-1999 22:48:15-GMT,2314;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09534 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA17851 for pdftex-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:41:31 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17848 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:41:28 -0400 Received: from remote142-165.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.165] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Harx-0002c9-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:41:14 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990820004014.30f7de12@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:40:14 +0200 To: "Philip A. Viton" From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: query regarding hyperref.sty Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990819100057.00927ec0@pop.service.ohio-state.ed u> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 10:00 19.08.1999 -0400, Philip A. Viton wrote: > >hyperref.sty needs url.sty: a quick search on ctan found two likely >candidates, namely one in > macros/jadetex/cooked >and one in > macros/latex/contrib/other/misc >--- which one should I get? You make a joke, these two ones are the same :-)) But I found five locations and different versions: You have searched for url.sty Date Size Link to Source ======================================= 1999/03/31 | 15025 | macros/jadetex/cooked/url.sty 1999/03/03 | 15025 | macros/latex/contrib/other/misc/url.sty 1997/01/24 | 12674 | support/ltx2x/url.sty 1996/12/11 | 14098 | tds/draft-standard/tds-0.9995/url.sty 1996/12/11 | 14098 | tds/draft-standard/tds-0.9996/url.sty 1. and 2.: Version 1.4, 02-Mar-1999, Donald Arsenau 3.: Version 1.1, 06-Feb-1996, Donald Arsenau 4. and 5.: Version 1.2, 19-Oct-1996, Donald Arsenau ==> I prefer: macros/latex/contrib/other/misc/url.sty Yours sincerely Heiko 20-Aug-1999 0:02:10-GMT,1726;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11216 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA18334 for pdftex-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:50:31 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA18331 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:50:27 -0400 Received: from remote142-174.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.174] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Hbwr-0003BC-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:50:22 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990820014836.2bb7aaf8@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:48:36 +0200 To: "Philip A. Viton" From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyperref question Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990819182834.0093cab0@pop.service.ohio-state.ed u> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 18:28 19.08.1999 -0300, Philip A. Viton wrote: > >I'm experimenting with the hyperref package in pdftex mode; when I run the >included file test1.tex it bombs on \pdfannotlink (the reference is to line >61 in the file). Do you use the current pdfTeX version 0.14a and an old hyperref version? The newest hyperref version is 6.65b, available at http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyp665b.zip Your sincerely Heiko 20-Aug-1999 9:51:41-GMT,2022;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24077 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA20091 for pdftex-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:40:40 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA20088 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:40:37 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26414; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10148; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199908200940.LAA10148@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Linking to external pdf files from \pdfoutline In-Reply-To: <19990812181704.A2882@mars.rcode.com.au> from Tony Keating at "Aug 12, 99 06:17:04 pm" To: keating@mech.uq.edu.au (Tony Keating) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:40:34 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > For some reason unknown to me, the following doesn't work. pdftex processes > it fine, but acrobat reader doesn't like it. > > \pdfoutline goto file {other.pdf} page 1 {/FitH} {some text here} > > Anybody have any ideas? Long time ago where was a disccusion on this list about whether pdftex should process `raw' text to avoid misunderstood use of parenthesis. The result was that I decided to pass the control of parenthesis to user, so one has to say \pdfoutline goto file {(other.pdf)} page 1 {/FitH} {some text here} Thanh PS: perhaps the current syntax of new primitives is not completely consistent. Any suggestions are welcome. 20-Aug-1999 10:56:57-GMT,1587;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25294 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA20485 for pdftex-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:43:16 -0400 Received: from diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (kropp@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de [134.106.80.28]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA20482 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:43:14 -0400 Received: (from kropp@localhost) by diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id MAA24987 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:43:02 +0200 (METDST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:43:02 +0200 (METDST) From: Juergen Kropp Message-Id: <199908201043.MAA24987@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: P9i08Btec9qWC6ofQEkMXw== Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Working with index under pdflatex: Is ist possible or does anybody have expirience on this topic ? I have used the common makeindex environment but it seems that this approach is'nt possible. Juergen Kropp Institute for Chemistry and Biology of the Marine Environment Systems Analysis and Modeling Group P.O.Box: 2503, 26111 Oldenburg +49 (0) 441 798 2092 +49 (0) 441 798 3404 e-mail: kropp@icbm.de kropp@pik-potsdam.de 20-Aug-1999 12:54:45-GMT,2394;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27707 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA20900 for pdftex-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:44:11 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20897 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:44:10 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.161]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA43D1; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:43:37 +0200 Message-ID: <37BD4D42.3F06EE94@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:42:42 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: Tony Keating , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Linking to external pdf files from \pdfoutline References: <199908200940.LAA10148@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > > For some reason unknown to me, the following doesn't work. pdftex processes > > it fine, but acrobat reader doesn't like it. > > > > \pdfoutline goto file {other.pdf} page 1 {/FitH} {some text here} > > > > Anybody have any ideas? > > Long time ago where was a disccusion on this list about whether pdftex should > process `raw' text to avoid misunderstood use of parenthesis. The result was > that I decided to pass the control of parenthesis to user, so one has to say > > \pdfoutline goto file {(other.pdf)} page 1 {/FitH} {some text here} > > Thanh > > PS: perhaps the current syntax of new primitives is not completely consistent. > Any suggestions are welcome. It depends. In the level 1.3 specs, a file may be a reference to a file object too, in which case an object reference should be passed instead. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Aug-1999 13:09:04-GMT,2229;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28049 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA20978 for pdftex-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:00:46 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA20975 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:59:57 -0400 Received: from remote142-64.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.64] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HoGh-00031x-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:59:40 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990820144852.007a18c0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:48:52 +0200 To: Juergen Kropp From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: index Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199908201043.MAA24987@diwa.icbm.uni-oldenburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Juergen, please set the subject line, so it will be easier to find postings and threads. At 12:43 20.08.99 +0200, Juergen Kropp wrote: > >Working with index under pdflatex: > >Is ist possible or does anybody have expirience >on this topic ? I have used the common makeindex >environment but it seems that this approach is'nt >possible. Which problems do you have? I know only one problem with hyperref and the |-syntax: hyperref adds "|hyperpage" to each index entry, to set links to the pages. But if the |-feature is already used \index{example|textbf} the result would be two appended commands: {example|textbf|hyperpage} But this isn't supported by Makeindex. So there is a possibility to disable this hyperref feature: \usepackage[hyperindex=false]{hyperref} And the user can provide its own commands: \newcommand*{\main}[1]{\textbf{\hyperpage{#1}}} \index{example|main} Yours sincerely Heiko 21-Aug-1999 1:20:27-GMT,2271;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16690 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA22968 for pdftex-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:06:06 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA22965 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:06:04 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id SAA27303; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:05:58 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027293; Fri Aug 20 18:05:20 1999 Received: from azu-mail1.aes.com ([159.4.100.112]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA119234 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:05:19 -0700 Received: by azu-mail1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:05:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyper ref behavior Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:05:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone explain to me why the two \href's defined here \href{3010-W-99-025 Apex 2.4 SPSRM.pdf}{3010-W-99-025}. Azusa CA: Aerojet, 1999. (test: \href{texone.pdf}{texone} behave differently in Acrobat Reader? The first one (\href{3010....}) brings up a web browser, which complains that it can't find the relevant file, while the second one jumps directly to the texone.pdf file in the Reader. The two links are also colored differently. In both cases the pdf file is present in the current directory. The file was processed in with pdflatex and a local style file which includes hyperref "1999/07/08 6.63 Hypertext links for LaTeX". Generically, the problem I'm trying to solve is creating a link to another pdf file, guaranteed to be in the same directory. Any advice would be welcome. 21-Aug-1999 16:29:53-GMT,2264;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03872 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:29:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA24378 for pdftex-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:13:35 -0400 Received: from mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24375 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:13:33 -0400 Received: from pviton (ts22-12.homenet.ohio-state.edu [140.254.113.179]) by mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11179; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990821121359.0093f840@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:13:59 -0300 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: turning off pdf with hyperref loaded Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Is it correct that if hyperref.sty is loaded, the only way to turn off pdf generation is to insert \pdfoutput=0 after the \begin{document} statement? Consider the following setup: pdftex.cfg defaults to output_format = 1; hyperref.cfg defaults to pdftex mode. Here's a short file: =============================================================== % <- location A \documentclass{article} % <- location B \RequirePackage[draft]{hyperref} % <- location C \begin{document} % <- location D This is a sentence. \end{document} ================================================================ Inserting \pdfoutput=0 at locations A and B still produces pdf Inserting it at location C gives pdfTeX error (ext1):\pdfoutline and no output at all. Only at location D do we produce dvi (pdfTeX 14a; hyperref 6.65b) Can someone explain what's going on? Thanks! ------------------------ Philip A. Viton City Planning, Ohio State University 190 W. 17th Ave,Columbus OH 43210 viton.1@osu.edu 21-Aug-1999 17:34:11-GMT,2920;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05141 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24644 for pdftex-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:18:51 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24641 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:18:49 -0400 Received: from max124.public.ox.ac.uk (max124.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.124]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA06780; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:19:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:18:45 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: "Philip A. Viton" cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: turning off pdf with hyperref loaded In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990821121359.0093f840@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Philip A. Viton wrote: > > Is it correct that if hyperref.sty is loaded, the only way to turn off pdf > generation is to insert \pdfoutput=0 after the \begin{document} statement? > > Consider the following setup: pdftex.cfg defaults to output_format = 1; > hyperref.cfg defaults to pdftex mode. > > Here's a short file: > =============================================================== > % <- location A > \documentclass{article} > % <- location B > \RequirePackage[draft]{hyperref} > % <- location C > \begin{document} > % <- location D > This is a sentence. > \end{document} > ================================================================ > > Inserting \pdfoutput=0 at locations A and B still produces pdf > Inserting it at location C gives > pdfTeX error (ext1):\pdfoutline > and no output at all. > Only at location D do we produce dvi > > (pdfTeX 14a; hyperref 6.65b) > > Can someone explain what's going on? Thanks! hyperref runs things at \begin{document}, for example setting page sizes. Why ever do you want to do this. Just use latex and hyperref will do what you I think you want. Depending what you have in hyperref.cfg (it `defaults' to being absent) you may need to set a sensible driver. And I think end users should be using \usepackage not \RequirePackage. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 21-Aug-1999 18:18:04-GMT,2389;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06042 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24847 for pdftex-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:57:57 -0400 Received: from wanadoo.fr (root@smtp-out-005.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.88]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24844 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:57:55 -0400 Received: from tnttour9-62.abo.wanadoo.fr [164.138.85.62] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:57:53 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990821121359.0093f840@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> References: <3.0.2.32.19990821121359.0093f840@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:57:49 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Michel Bovani Subject: Re: turning off pdf with hyperref loaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >hyperref.cfg defaults to pdftex mode. This will override \pdfoutput 0 in location A or B >Here's a short file: >=============================================================== >% <- location A >\documentclass{article} >% <- location B >\RequirePackage[draft]{hyperref} >% <- location C >\begin{document} >% <- location D >This is a sentence. >\end{document} >================================================================ > >Inserting \pdfoutput=0 at locations A and B still produces pdf >Inserting it at location C gives > pdfTeX error (ext1):\pdfoutline I don't know the reason >and no output at all. >Only at location D do we produce dvi > >(pdfTeX 14a; hyperref 6.65b) > >Can someone explain what's going on? Thanks! You may try something like that in your hyperref.cfg : \ifx\pdfoutput\undefined\ExecuteOptions{dvips} \else\ifnum\pdfoutput > 0\ExecuteOptions{pdftex}\else\ExecuteOptions{dvips} \fi\fi and the same in color.cfg, graphics.cfg... then you have to set \pdfoutput in A or in B. And, of course in a .tex file \usepackage is best than \RequirePackage ;-) --- Michel Bovani 24-Aug-1999 12:50:48-GMT,1781;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29066 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA31747 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:21:51 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA31744 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:21:43 -0400 Received: from remote142-69.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.69] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11JFa6-00016g-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:21:38 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990824142045.007fd330@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:20:45 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: hyperref 6.65c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have put the next test version 6.65c of hyperref on http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyp665c.zip 'ChangeLog' contains the newest changes. It contains several bug fixes and continues the Unicode bookmark support. Like 'testbmgl.tex' I have written a detailed test file 'testbmu.tex' that puts all Unicode characters 0x0000 until 0x04FF in the bookmarks. It depends on the AcrobatReader which glyphs are shown (Version 4 required and multilingual support recommended). For the supported glyphs the LaTeX commands to produce them are shown. Yours sincerely Heiko 24-Aug-1999 14:41:43-GMT,2040;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02257 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA00073 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:25:19 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00069 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:25:17 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05878 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:25:08 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <37C2AB13.523A@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:24:19 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: The pain with the graphics search path Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, It has been mentioned here before, but AFAIK, nobody came up with a cure: Problem: when I \usepackage[pdftex]{graphics} then pdftex looks only in the current dir for graphics files. The statement \graphicspath{{/path1}{/path2}...} (on Unix) has no effect at all. Even TEXINPUTS seems to be ignored. This happens with pdftex 0.13d. Once, there was an older version of pdftex without this problem, but I don't remember which one. In standard LaTeX, however, \graphicspath works as expected. Does anybody know how I can pursuade pdftex to look for included graphics somewhere else, apart from the current dir? TIA, Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ 24-Aug-1999 16:01:00-GMT,1288;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04639 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA01402 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:46:47 -0400 Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01399 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:46:45 -0400 Received: from Sherbrooke-ppp15046.qc.sympatico.ca (Sherbrooke-ppp15046.qc.sympatico.ca [206.172.104.70]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07714 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT) From: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex-0.14a is available Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:46:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37c2bdf5.1983852@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all The following link is down.. Where can we get lates vesrion 14a?? Thanks : Hi, : : pdftex-0.14a is available at http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/tmp/ 25-Aug-1999 3:11:42-GMT,2600;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22937 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA06833 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:03:59 -0400 Received: from shao (mail@[203.63.219.44]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA06830 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:03:55 -0400 Received: from shao by shao with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11JTZA-0001fC-00; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:17:36 +1000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:17:36 +1000 From: Shao Zhang To: Pdftex Mailing List Subject: Concerns about eps figure Message-ID: <19990825131736.A6227@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, This is my first post to this mailing list. I have been very satisfied with it since I discovered the program pdftex. At a moment, I just have one little problem. How do I include an eps figure so that pdftex can display it?? There are many ways to include an eps picture in latex, however none of them seems work for pdftex. Some of them compiled fine, but does not display the figure. Some of them does not even compile. Could someone tell me a way to include an eps picture for pdftex? Thank you very much in advance. Shao. These are the two ways I use:(this one does not compile under pdftex) \usepackage{graphicx} \begin{figure} \centering \includegraphics[scale=0.5]{tqmfig.eps} \caption{Procedures For Providing Refreshments In a Mobile Tea/Coffee Trolley} \end{figure} (this one compiles but the fig does not display at all): begin{figure}[htbp] \begin{center} \leavevmode \epsfxsize=1\textwidth \epsfbox{cl.eps} \end{center} \caption{Context Level Diagram} \centering \label{fig:cl.eps} \end{figure} -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _____ Department of Communications / __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: shao@cia.com.au |___/ _____________________________________________________________________________ 25-Aug-1999 3:49:06-GMT,4480;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23680 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA07506 for pdftex-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:45:13 -0400 Received: from rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu (rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu [164.107.171.29]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA07503 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:45:11 -0400 Received: from gw2 (gw2.eng.ohio-state.edu [164.107.169.221]) by rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24122; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908250344.XAA24122@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: hubert@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:41:24 -0400 To: Shao Zhang , From: Chris Hubert Subject: Re: Concerns about eps figure In-Reply-To: <19990825131736.A6227@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk You don't (directly) include eps figures in pdftex. First convert them into pdf files, which you can include. Use essentially the same approach you described, with the graphicx package, but tell it you are using pdftex. Thus use... \usepackage{graphicx}[pdftex] \begin{figure} \centering \includegraphics[scale=0.5]{tqmfig} \caption{Procedures For Providing Refreshments In a Mobile Tea/Coffee Trolley} \end{figure} instead of... >\usepackage{graphicx} >\begin{figure} >\centering >\includegraphics[scale=0.5]{tqmfig.eps} >\caption{Procedures For Providing Refreshments In a Mobile Tea/Coffee >Trolley} >\end{figure} You should then have a figure tqmfig.pdf which will be inserted. Note that I deliberately leave off the .pdf extension. This way, if you run standard (la)TeX, you can simply remove the [pdftex] option from the graphicx package and it will look for either tqmfig.eps or tqmfig.ps when you ask for file tqmfig, however if you run pdftex, then you can include the [pdftex] option and (pdf)TeX will look for tqmfig.pdf when you ask for file tqmfig. Finally, to convert files from eps to pdf there are a few common ways. 1) Adobe distiller. 2) Ghostscript There is a perl script epstopdf.pl to which calls ghostscript to convert an eps figure to a pdf one. CHris >Hi, > This is my first post to this mailing list. I have been very > satisfied with it since I discovered the program pdftex. > > At a moment, I just have one little problem. How do I include an > eps figure so that pdftex can display it?? There are many ways > to include an eps picture in latex, however none of them seems > work for pdftex. Some of them compiled fine, but does not > display the figure. Some of them does not even compile. > > Could someone tell me a way to include an eps picture for > pdftex? > > Thank you very much in advance. > >Shao. > >These are the two ways I use:(this one does not compile under pdftex) >\usepackage{graphicx} >\begin{figure} >\centering >\includegraphics[scale=0.5]{tqmfig.eps} >\caption{Procedures For Providing Refreshments In a Mobile Tea/Coffee >Trolley} >\end{figure} > >(this one compiles but the fig does not display at all): >begin{figure}[htbp] > \begin{center} > \leavevmode > \epsfxsize=1\textwidth > \epsfbox{cl.eps} > \end{center} > \caption{Context Level Diagram} > \centering > \label{fig:cl.eps} >\end{figure} > > > >-- >____________________________________________________________________________ >Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _____ >Department of Communications / __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ >University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | >Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | >Email: shao@cia.com.au |___/ >_____________________________________________________________________________ > Chris Hubert Department of Mechanical Engineering The Ohio State University 206 West 18th Avenue Columbus, OH 43210-1107 (614) 292-2356 (Office) (614) 292-3163 (Fax) hubert@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu And I've heard of your troubles. I've heard you're unhappy. But I can fix that. I'm the Fix-it-Up Chappie Dr. Seuss 25-Aug-1999 13:34:25-GMT,1242;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05875 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA12271 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:10:30 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (root@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12268 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:10:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17919 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:09:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Concerns about eps figure In-Reply-To: <199908250344.XAA24122@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Chris Hubert wrote: > Thus use... > \usepackage{graphicx}[pdftex] or rather \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} Allin Cottrell. 25-Aug-1999 15:14:25-GMT,1758;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08471 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13338 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:02:41 -0400 Received: from k2.aeccom.com (IDENT:root@gate1.aeccom.com [193.158.11.51]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13335 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:02:37 -0400 Received: from blanc.aeccom.com (IDENT:lutzeb@blanc.aeccom.com [192.168.0.10]) by k2.aeccom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08055; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:02:32 +0200 Received: (from lutzeb@localhost) by blanc.aeccom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18628; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:02:31 +0200 From: Dirk Lutzebaeck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14276.1415.845150.720713@blanc.aeccom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:02:31 +0200 (CEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: How to append complete pdf documents? X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 4) "Arches" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I would like to append/insert complete pdf documents (without a bounding box) to the tex file. Formerly I would do this with ghostscript (to append ps files on the dvips output). I'm looking for something like this: \document{begin} some text \pdfinclude{description.pdf} % this would make a page break because % description.pdf has no boundary some more text \end{document} This would generate 3 pages if description.pdf has one page. Can I do this with pdftex??? Thanks for help, Dirk 25-Aug-1999 15:28:22-GMT,1932;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08905 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13348 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:04:32 -0400 Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13345 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:04:30 -0400 X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Gerd.Jungmann@sc300.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from horus.mch.sni.de (horus.mch.sni.de [139.25.208.11]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27886 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:04:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from drs03691.SC300.DE (drs03691.sc300.de [172.16.60.134]) by horus.mch.sni.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05047 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:04:27 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908251504.RAA05047@horus.mch.sni.de> Received: by DRS03691 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:06:08 +0200 From: Gerd Jungmann To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: list of figures with hyperref6.65 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:05:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I use hyperref \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} with pdfTeX Version 3.14159-13d (MiKTeX 1.20b) when I disable \listoffigures, it goes fine, but if not, he says: ... (project.lof ! Argument of \contentsline has an extra }. \par l.7 \contentsline {figure}{\numberline {5.2}{\ignorespaces a screen s... ? Runaway argument? ! Paragraph ended before \contentsline was complete. ... and he gives up. Am I doing something wrong, or am I asking for too much ? Thanxs Gerd 26-Aug-1999 1:51:00-GMT,3431;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26325 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA15589 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:45:53 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA15586 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:45:52 -0400 Received: from remote142-68.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.68] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Jobu-0003s6-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:45:50 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990826034101.007a5720@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:41:01 +0200 To: Gerd Jungmann , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: list of figures with hyperref6.65 In-Reply-To: <199908251504.RAA05047@horus.mch.sni.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 17:05 25.08.99 +0200, Gerd Jungmann wrote: >I use hyperref >\usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} >with pdfTeX Version 3.14159-13d (MiKTeX 1.20b) > >when I disable \listoffigures, it goes fine, but if not, he says: > >... (project.lof >! Argument of \contentsline has an extra }. > > \par >l.7 \contentsline > {figure}{\numberline {5.2}{\ignorespaces a screen s... >? >Runaway argument? >! Paragraph ended before \contentsline was complete. >... >and he gives up. hyperref need further informations for its hyperlinking features. So it has expand the syntax of \contentsline by another argument, e.g. (\ignorespaces omitted): without hyperref: \contentsline{figure}{\numberline {1}{Hello}}{1} with hyperref: \contentsline{figure}{\numberline {1}{Hello}}{1}{figure.1} To avoid problems with .lof (.toc, ...) files hyperref writes an marker (\hyper@last) in the .aux file. If the marker is present, hyperref expects four arguments for \contentsline. If the marker misses, hyperref ignores the .lof (.toc, ...) files. But there is a situation with "\include"d files where this simple test fails (the .lof entries are written first in the .aux files and at the end of the run the .aux files are read and the .lof file is written): main.tex contains \include{a} and \include{b} First run with \includeonly{b} without hyperref: no .lof file for reading available. no hyperref marker is written in the .aux file. b.aux with 3-argument entries for .lof .lof file written with 3-argument entries. Second run with \includeonly{a} and with hyperref: .lof file is ignored because the hyperref marker isn't present. hyperref marker written in .aux file. a.aux with 4-argument entries for .lof b.aux is untouched (because it is not included). main.lof with 4-argument entries from a and with 3-argument entries from b. Third run now reads a main.lof file that contains wrong 3-argument \contentsline entries. ==> Delete all .aux .toc .lof .lot files and compile again. Then you should get correct .lof, (.toc, ...) files. Yours sincerely Heiko 26-Aug-1999 3:15:47-GMT,3023;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28148 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA16131 for pdftex-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:09:08 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA16128 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:09:06 -0400 Received: from default (ontario08-108.infoserv.uakron.edu [130.101.2.108]) by uakron.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA08229 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908260309.XAA08229@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:09:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ANN: Web/Exerquiz Packages, version 1.2 Reply-to: story@uakron.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've just uploaded new versions of the web and exerquiz packages, versions 1.20. http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/webeq.html Most changes are concentrated in the exerquiz package: 1) The quizzes can now be corrected using JavaScript. (there is also an option for disabling this feature) 2) A labeling system is in place to redesign the exercise, shortquiz and quiz environments. 3) A `nosolutions' options excludes solutions of exercises from being included in the file. This is useful to creating homework assignments ---for paper or web---in which the questions are posed. Then later, using the same file, the questions and solutions can be posted. 4) All documentation has been updated---one set for the web with interactive examples, and another suitable for print...for those who still read from paper. 5) Sample files have been updated, and two new sample files included. Recall: Web/Exerquiz packages are macro packages for LaTeX, with options for use by dvipsone (Y&Y), dvips and pdftex. Web redesigns page layout for the web and exerquiz defines an exercise environment (solutions linked to questions); a shortquiz environment (with immediate feedback, with or without solutions included); and a quiz environment for creating on-line quizzes, graded and now corrected by JavaScript. Hope someone out there finds these packages usefule. Now, I really must get back to work. Regards, dps. Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. 26-Aug-1999 13:06:12-GMT,1569;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10246 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:05:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA17569 for pdftex-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:52:35 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17566 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:52:33 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id NAA17512; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:48:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:48:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199908261248.NAA17512@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <37C2AB13.523A@cs.ucc.ie> (message from Frank Boehme on Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:24:19 +0100) Subject: Re: The pain with the graphics search path References: <37C2AB13.523A@cs.ucc.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > then pdftex looks only in the current dir for graphics files. The > statement No, it looks in the path set in texmf.cnf or your environment for, if I remember correctly, TEXPSHEADERS. > \graphicspath{{/path1}{/path2}...} (on Unix) > has no effect at all. Even TEXINPUTS seems to be ignored. that adds the subdirectories path1 and path2 of your filesystem root directory to the search path, also as documented in the package documentation you need the terminating / Perhaps you want {{path1/}{path2/}} David 26-Aug-1999 20:44:00-GMT,1508;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23574 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA19951 for pdftex-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:25:39 -0400 Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19948 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:25:36 -0400 Received: from pviton (ts24-9.homenet.ohio-state.edu [140.254.113.208]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA13888; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990826162616.00940840@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:26:16 -0300 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: unicode characters in tt fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if pdftex can access glyphs in high-numbered positions (gt 0xff) in truetype fonts? I've been trying to do this without success and I'm trying to isolate whether it's something I'm doing wrong. Thanks! ------------------------ Philip A. Viton City Planning, Ohio State University 190 W. 17th Ave,Columbus OH 43210 viton.1@osu.edu 26-Aug-1999 21:13:16-GMT,1401;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24402 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA20057 for pdftex-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:02:00 -0400 Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20054 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:01:58 -0400 Received: from pviton (ts24-9.homenet.ohio-state.edu [140.254.113.208]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23538; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990826170243.00944360@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:02:43 -0300 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: unicode characters in tt fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk whoops! I think the answer must be NO since TeX doesn't support vales gt 0xFF in virtual fonts - is this right? ------------------------ Philip A. Viton City Planning, Ohio State University 190 W. 17th Ave,Columbus OH 43210 viton.1@osu.edu 26-Aug-1999 22:40:15-GMT,1853;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26985 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA20608 for pdftex-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:30:39 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20605 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:30:36 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12801; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:30:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id AAA03144; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:38:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:38:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908262238.AAA03144@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: "Philip A. Viton" Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: unicode characters in tt fonts In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990826170243.00944360@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> References: <3.0.2.32.19990826170243.00944360@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk You can reencode fonts with large character set, to make "visible" to pdfTeX any arbitrary 8 bit subfont. So far, I was able to do that with cyberbit for those chars that have a PS name, because I simply don't know how to reencode chars with no names. If pdftex & omega merged somehow, and with large fonts support in Acrobat 4, I suppose there would be no technical limit. Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. 29-Aug-1999 2:56:41-GMT,3177;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02090 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29231 for pdftex-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:42:45 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29228 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:42:42 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25396; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:38:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37C89F56.F83E4A27@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:47:51 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: The pain with the graphics search path References: <37C2AB13.523A@cs.ucc.ie> <199908261248.NAA17512@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > > > then pdftex looks only in the current dir for graphics files. The > > statement > > No, it looks in the path set in texmf.cnf or your environment for, if I > remember correctly, TEXPSHEADERS. > > > \graphicspath{{/path1}{/path2}...} (on Unix) > > > has no effect at all. Even TEXINPUTS seems to be ignored. > > that adds the subdirectories path1 and path2 of your filesystem root > directory to the search path, also as documented in the package > documentation you need the terminating / > > Perhaps you want {{path1/}{path2/}} > > David Playing around with the different versions of pdftex that I've got, I believe that pdftex13d and earlier use TEXPSHEADERS when searching for graphics files, while pdftex14a uses TEXINPUTS. I have also pdftex13e, which I think was only ever a "pretest" version, which seems to use neither, and only search the current directory. However, this 13e version handles satisfactorily a certain tif file I've got that 14a gives an error on (... resolution read from image <./clcrst.tifTIFFFILLSTRIP: ./clcrst.tif: Read error at scanline 4294967295; got 717 bytes, expected 61716 ...) I'm using the DGJPP compiled version of 14a -- I previously had a version from Fabrice Popineau, but I found that it suffered from the following problem, which someone else mentioned a while ago: if I accidentally run pdftex while acroread has open the pdf file it tries to write to, and then when pdftex asks for a new filename I close acroread and then get pdftex to continue, I get an error message ("illegal operation", as I recall). But maybe Fabrice has changed the Windows version by now -- I seem to recall that it was also describe as a "pretest" version when I got it. Apart from this problem with my tif file, it seems to me that pdftex14a works just fine. I wonder if perhaps soon we can expect a version of pdftex that is not labelled as "beta"? Bob Howlett 30-Aug-1999 8:15:10-GMT,1872;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04339 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA32228 for pdftex-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 03:59:30 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA32224 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 03:59:26 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02282; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:59:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09564; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:59:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199908300759.JAA09564@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: unicode characters in tt fonts In-Reply-To: <199908262238.AAA03144@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "Aug 27, 99 00:38:25 am" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:59:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pviton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > You can reencode fonts with large character set, to make "visible" to > pdfTeX any arbitrary 8 bit subfont. So far, I was able to do that with > cyberbit for those chars that have a PS name, because I simply don't > know how to reencode chars with no names. it is possible to say e.g. /index123 instead of a PS name in an encoding file to access glyphs that don't have a PS name inside tt font. Both pdftex and ttf2afm understand this convention. Thanh 26-Aug-1999 9:20:12-GMT,2555;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05949 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA17119 for pdftex-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:05:59 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA17116 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:05:58 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.44]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6AE3; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:05:25 +0200 Message-ID: <37C4ECB7.3420E2FA@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:28:55 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk Lutzebaeck Subject: Re: How to append complete pdf documents? References: <14276.1415.845150.720713@blanc.aeccom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dirk Lutzebaeck wrote: > I would like to append/insert complete pdf documents (without a > bounding box) to the tex file. Formerly I would do this with > ghostscript (to append ps files on the dvips output). Given that 'one.pdf' and 'two.pdf' exist: texexec --pdfarrange one two In a similar way one can produce A5 booklets from A4 documents. When the originals are produced by pdftex, pdftex will minimize font resources. Texexec is the perl commandline interface around context, and context is used to do the arrangement (page composition like two up/down and 4/8/16 pages per page are a built in feature of context). In principle one can do very complicated arrangements and adapt the layout as well as add additional typography to existing files, but in most cases the built in defaults will do. The page composition process itself (independent of pdftex) is described in the context (reference) manual at our site and in maps 20 (I guess the number) showing examples. At our site there is a A5 booklet of the manual produced in this way from the A4. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Aug-1999 6:09:30-GMT,1809;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06576 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA03171 for pdftex-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:51:41 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA03168 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:51:37 -0400 Received: from remote142-81.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.81] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Lgou-0004IE-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:51:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990831074342.007a6440@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:43:42 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: hyperref 6.65d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have put the next test version 6.65d of hyperref on http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyp665d.zip It contains several bug fixes: Potentially dangereous can be the bug fix of the "\lastskip" bug: On different places, hyperref sets anchors (\refstepcounter, ...). But the "\special" commands destroy the current value of \lastskip. This results in an other vertical spacing with and without hyperref. Therefore the lastskip value are stored before and set after by (pseudocode): \nobreak \vskip-\lastskip \vskip\lastskip See 'ChangeLog' for the other bug fixes. Yours sincerely Heiko 31-Aug-1999 10:15:21-GMT,1354;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11004 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:15:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA03934 for pdftex-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:55:01 -0400 Received: from linpwd (linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de [134.76.28.202]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA03931 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 05:54:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:54:29 +0200 Message-Id: <99083111542896@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> From: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.65d X-VMS-To: smtp%"pdftex@tug.org" X-VMS-Cc: DALY Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Potentially dangereous can be the bug fix of the > "\lastskip" bug: On different places, hyperref Do you mean the bug is dangerous or the fix? Patrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Patrick W. Daly Tel. [+49] 5556-979-279 Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie Fax. [+49] 5556-979-240 Max-Planck-Str. 2 D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau Internet: daly@linmpi.mpg.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Aug-1999 12:01:42-GMT,1825;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13006 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA05002 for pdftex-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:41:34 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA04999 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:41:19 -0400 Received: from remote142-86.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.86] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11LmHe-0001T8-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:41:02 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990831134222.007a5e40@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:42:22 +0200 To: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyperref 6.65d Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <99083111542896@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 11:54 31.08.99 +0200, P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany wrote: >> Potentially dangereous can be the bug fix of the >> "\lastskip" bug: On different places, hyperref > >Do you mean the bug is dangerous or the fix? The fix affects all drivers. But I doesn't have all programs that are supported by hyperref. So I could only test few ones. (I expect all will be ok. But I think it is better to give too many warnings than too few.) Please report any problems with this, if there are any. Yours sincerely Heiko 31-Aug-1999 20:34:12-GMT,1825;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27218 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06716 for pdftex-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06713 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:23:12 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsisy.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.53]) by uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08284 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:23:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CC39AA.77C65DA3@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:23:06 -0500 From: Amit Mehrotra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: slides Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am new to pdftex so if this question is trivial please bear with me. I have had great success with pdflatex on already existing files. However I use seminar.cls to generate slides with a bit of frills (lots of colours, gradient background etc.) using pstricks which does not work with pdflatex. Is there any workaround? I was going through some examples which were posted on http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex which looked very cool but sadly nobody had provided the tex file from which they were generated. My wishlist is: 1) Can I import pre-existing jpg file as background for the slides? 2) Can I create a box inside a slide and use some sort of gradient colouring insde it? Thanks, Amit 31-Aug-1999 21:55:07-GMT,2503;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29642 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA07132 for pdftex-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:46:17 -0400 Received: from tamarama.stanford.edu (tamarama.Stanford.EDU [36.127.0.107]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07129 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:46:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (simon@localhost) by tamarama.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03115 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:46:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: tamarama.stanford.edu: simon owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Jackman X-Sender: simon@tamarama.stanford.edu To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: font: checksum mismatch error In-Reply-To: <37CC39AA.77C65DA3@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I use Monotype GillSans, along with a Greek version of GillSans, GillSansDualGreekMT, that I use for my Greek characters. I can generate PostScript files that incorporate these fonts just fine. But when I attempt to use these fonts in pdf(la)tex, I get messages such as the following: checksum mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [max level recursion=10]. \endgroup l.72 \end{document} ! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished! Transcript written on test.log. mgsdgb is my bold Greek typeface. any suggestions on how to make pdflatex work with these fonts? the error message isn't particularly helpful... thanks in advance -- simon jackman Simon Jackman, Asst Professor, ph: +1 (650) 723-4760 Dept of Political Science, fax: +1 (650) 723-1808 455 Serra Mall, Bldg 160, jackman@stanford.edu Stanford University, http://tamarama.stanford.edu/simon Stanford CA, 94305-2044, USA. 31-Aug-1999 23:14:45-GMT,2306;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01647 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA07570 for pdftex-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:04:45 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken97.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07567 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:04:43 -0400 Received: from GALIANO (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19980; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:04:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Simon Jackman Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: font: checksum mismatch error References: X-Attribution: JMK X-URL: From: Jody Klymak Date: 31 Aug 1999 16:04:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: Simon Jackman's message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:46:14 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Simon, I'm sure others will have better advice, but my guess is the font checksum missmatches are red-herrings. They should not have any affect on TeX's capacity. Perhaps you haven't closed an environment. Try a small test file with as few environments as possible and see what happens. Cheers, Jody >>>>> "SJ" == Simon Jackman writes: SJ> mgsdgb.vf ignored character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf SJ> ignored ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [max level SJ> recursion=10]. \endgroup l.72 SJ> \end{document} SJ> ! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished! SJ> Transcript written on test.log. -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu (206)-685-9080 http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ 1-Sep-1999 9:09:17-GMT,3313;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14202 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA09519 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:47:01 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA09516 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 04:46:59 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.199]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6423; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:46:27 +0200 Message-ID: <37CCD772.1AFBDEE4@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:36:18 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amit Mehrotra CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: slides References: <37CC39AA.77C65DA3@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Amit Mehrotra wrote: > I am new to pdftex so if this question is trivial please bear with me. I > have had great success with pdflatex on already existing files. However > I use seminar.cls to generate slides with a bit of frills (lots of > colours, gradient background etc.) using pstricks which does not work > with pdflatex. Is there any workaround? I was going through some > examples which were posted on http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex > which looked very cool but sadly nobody had provided the tex file from > which they were generated. My wishlist is: > > 1) Can I import pre-existing jpg file as background for the slides? > 2) Can I create a box inside a slide and use some sort of gradient > colouring insde it? Some of the files at the site your mentioned originate here. You can find many more examples on our site (www.pragma-ade.nl). In the next Maps (dutch usergroup periodical) there will be an article on six presentation styles. I've prepared a few more for eurotex which are not yet public and more are in preparation. These will go a bit beyond traditional page after page sliding and more related to the type of presentation. The six styles (preliminary documented) are also available at our site (www.pragma-ade.nl/styles.htm). (Because making such styles is fun, and don't want to use the same ones over and over again, I think in a few years there will be tens of them.) To answer the questions, backgrounds are trivial in tex, so putting a jpg there is no problem. Gradient coloring should be handled in low level pdf. An example of a (rather rough one) can be seen in www.pragma-ade.nl/beta -> johan.pdf (acrobat version 4 needed). Matthew and I are working on a model for embedding shades in metapost graphics that can be plugged in pdf. (Theprototype works, but the interfacing is under development). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Sep-1999 14:29:43-GMT,3218;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20685 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA10316 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:14:27 -0400 Received: from mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.30]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10313 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:14:26 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05194 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990901101233.00939ec0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:12:33 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: Re: font: checksum mismatch error In-Reply-To: References: <37CC39AA.77C65DA3@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've also seen the mismatch message, and it seems to be harmless. The recursion problem is serious though. In my experience it arises if you have a virtual font (.vf) which refers to a "real" font (in your case presumably a .pfb font file) of the same name. That is, you have, in effect, myfont.vf mapping characters into myfont.pfb. But all that matters in tex's search is the name, not the extension, so you get a recursion. At 02:46 PM 8/31/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >I use Monotype GillSans, along with a Greek version of >GillSans, GillSansDualGreekMT, that I use for my Greek characters. > >I can generate PostScript files that incorporate these fonts just fine. > >But when I attempt to use these fonts in pdf(la)tex, I get messages such >as the following: > >checksum mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored >character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored >character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored >character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored >character width mismatch in font mgsdgb.vf ignored >! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [max level recursion=10]. > > \endgroup >l.72 \end{document} > >! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished! >Transcript written on test.log. > >mgsdgb is my bold Greek typeface. > >any suggestions on how to make pdflatex work with these fonts? >the error message isn't particularly helpful... > >thanks in advance -- simon jackman > >Simon Jackman, Asst Professor, ph: +1 (650) 723-4760 >Dept of Political Science, fax: +1 (650) 723-1808 >455 Serra Mall, Bldg 160, jackman@stanford.edu >Stanford University, http://tamarama.stanford.edu/simon >Stanford CA, 94305-2044, USA. > > > > Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 1-Sep-1999 16:30:17-GMT,1675;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23943 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11385 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:16:50 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11382 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:16:48 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id JAA21268; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:16:26 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma021197; Wed Sep 1 09:15:49 1999 Received: from azu-mail1.aes.com ([159.4.100.112]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA265690 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:15:48 -0700 Received: by azu-mail1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:15:48 -0700 Message-ID: <947E11D9BC3ED311BFC300805F15266714A0D6@azu-mail2.aes.com> From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: Is there an admin message? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:15:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Is there an admin message for this list? If so, where is it maintained? If not, can some kind soul tell me how to (assuming it's possible) switch to getting the list in digest form? 1-Sep-1999 16:54:21-GMT,2029;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24670 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11728 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:45:24 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11725 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:45:20 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.20]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4A6F; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:44:44 +0200 Message-ID: <37CD4C71.6BE34374@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:55:29 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ildar@villi.usask.ca CC: Amit Mehrotra , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: slides References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ildar@villi.usask.ca wrote: > The question I think was about source files from which examples > could be produced. Most people like to start from simple example, > rather than NNN-pages manual. FILE: present.tex \starttext \useenvironment[green] % the so called 'green' presentation \Topics{How about this} \Topic{Number One} \startitemize \item Help \item This \item Is \item Complicated \stopitemize \Topic{Number Two} Or maybe not that complicated at all. \stoptext COMMAND: texexec --pdf present Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Sep-1999 16:54:46-GMT,2029;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24703 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11590 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:37:28 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11586 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:37:22 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.20]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA19AB; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:36:44 +0200 Message-ID: <37CD4C71.6BE34374@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:55:29 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ildar@villi.usask.ca CC: Amit Mehrotra , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: slides References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ildar@villi.usask.ca wrote: > The question I think was about source files from which examples > could be produced. Most people like to start from simple example, > rather than NNN-pages manual. FILE: present.tex \starttext \useenvironment[green] % the so called 'green' presentation \Topics{How about this} \Topic{Number One} \startitemize \item Help \item This \item Is \item Complicated \stopitemize \Topic{Number Two} Or maybe not that complicated at all. \stoptext COMMAND: texexec --pdf present Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Sep-1999 17:13:20-GMT,2178;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25226 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA11982 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:03:26 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11977 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:03:22 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.20]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5A02; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:02:36 +0200 Message-ID: <37CD5BC9.911BC2E8@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:00:57 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mick McQuaid Subject: Re: slides References: <37CC39AA.77C65DA3@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> <37CCD772.1AFBDEE4@wxs.nl> <19990901095159.A21134@U.Arizona.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mick McQuaid wrote: > > This looks really interesting (like so many of the items on > your website!) but I can't seem to find > www.pragma-ade.nl/styles.htm Strange, because it is there. > www.pragma-ade.nl/beta beta.htm > Is it possible that their names are really different? You can reach both as follows: www.pragma-ade.nl -> context support -> context info -> beta goodies downloading -> styles It's not our own server, but at our provider, so I cannot trace down problems. The whole context part of the site is mirrored at two locations (see pointers at our site). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Sep-1999 15:24:34-GMT,3543;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22113 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA10799 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:12:48 -0400 Received: from villi.usask.ca (IDENT:root@villi.usask.ca [128.233.17.87]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10796 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:12:46 -0400 From: ildar@villi.usask.ca Received: from localhost (ildar@localhost) by villi.usask.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA15689; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:03:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:03:49 -0600 (CST) To: Hans Hagen cc: Amit Mehrotra , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: slides In-Reply-To: <37CCD772.1AFBDEE4@wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Hans Hagen wrote: > Amit Mehrotra wrote: > > > I am new to pdftex so if this question is trivial please bear with me. I > > have had great success with pdflatex on already existing files. However > > I use seminar.cls to generate slides with a bit of frills (lots of > > colours, gradient background etc.) using pstricks which does not work > > with pdflatex. Is there any workaround? I was going through some > > examples which were posted on http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex > > which looked very cool but sadly nobody had provided the tex file from > > which they were generated. My wishlist is: > > > > 1) Can I import pre-existing jpg file as background for the slides? > > 2) Can I create a box inside a slide and use some sort of gradient > > colouring insde it? > > Some of the files at the site your mentioned originate here. You can > find many more examples on our site (www.pragma-ade.nl). In the next > Maps (dutch usergroup periodical) there will be an article on six > presentation styles. I've prepared a few more for eurotex which are not > yet public and more are in preparation. These will go a bit beyond > traditional page after page sliding and more related to the type of > presentation. The six styles (preliminary documented) are also available > at our site (www.pragma-ade.nl/styles.htm). (Because making such styles > is fun, and don't want to use the same ones over and over again, I think > in a few years there will be tens of them.) > > To answer the questions, backgrounds are trivial in tex, so putting a > jpg there is no problem. > > Gradient coloring should be handled in low level pdf. An example of a > (rather rough one) can be seen in www.pragma-ade.nl/beta -> johan.pdf > (acrobat version 4 needed). Matthew and I are working on a model for > embedding shades in metapost graphics that can be plugged in pdf. > (Theprototype works, but the interfacing is under development). > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > The question I think was about source files from which examples could be produced. Most people like to start from simple example, rather than NNN-pages manual. Ildar 1-Sep-1999 17:36:01-GMT,1199;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from sunsite.auc.dk (sunsite.auc.dk [130.225.51.30]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA25936 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:35:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24028 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 17:35:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact auc-tex-help@sunsite.auc.dk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes Delivered-To: mailing list auc-tex@sunsite.auc.dk Received: (qmail 24021 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 17:35:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990901173611.7085.qmail@wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu> To: Yu Zhang Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.auc.dk Subject: Re: Passing full path? In-Reply-To: Message from Yu Zhang of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:47:11 EDT." <37CD588FF0.36E2YXZ11@smtp.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:36:11 -0500 From: Mate Wierdl Perhaps you want to install pdfTeX, and then you will have an even better solution. (I am sure MiKTeX or the TeX Live CD already has pdfTeX). Of course, this is not the exact solution you expected... Mate --- Mate Wierdl | Dept. of Math. Sciences | University of Memphis 1-Sep-1999 19:43:49-GMT,3125;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29473 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA13193 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:31:50 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13190 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:31:48 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsisy.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.53]) by uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18851; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CD7F19.60146573@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:31:37 -0500 From: Amit Mehrotra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: slides References: <37CD4C71.6BE34374@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans, I appreciate all your input on this. However, I have a small issue. I am getting the impression that to generate slides in pdf format I need to use CoNTeXt. I must admit I have no experience with context. From the little I tried and saw your example, it looks reasonably different (my inital impression but I could be wrong). The real cool thing about pdflatex is that with an additional \usepackage option and some extremely minor tweaking of figures, I get professional quality pdfs of my document. I must admit that I limit myself to the standard CMR and adobe fonts. I was looking for something similar for slides as well. I have a bunch of slides using Tim Van Zandt's seminar package and was wondering if some of those dirty PSTricks could be pulled in pdflatex without a major overhaul. My experience so far (which is only one day) with pdflatex is, simple files with \documentclass{slides} work. Anything extra frills come in as embedded jpgs. Amit Hans Hagen wrote: > ildar@villi.usask.ca wrote: > > > The question I think was about source files from which examples > > could be produced. Most people like to start from simple example, > > rather than NNN-pages manual. > > FILE: present.tex > > \starttext > > \useenvironment[green] % the so called 'green' presentation > > \Topics{How about this} > > \Topic{Number One} > > \startitemize > \item Help > \item This > \item Is > \item Complicated > \stopitemize > > \Topic{Number Two} > > Or maybe not that complicated at all. > > \stoptext > > COMMAND: > > texexec --pdf present > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Sep-1999 22:07:05-GMT,2049;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04159 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA13974 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:56:31 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13971 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:56:29 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (214@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15134; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:56:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from sojka@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10348; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:56:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:56:26 +0200 From: Petr Sojka To: "Wroth, Mark" Cc: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: Re: Is there an admin message? Message-ID: <19990901235626.Q23046@informatics.muni.cz> References: <947E11D9BC3ED311BFC300805F15266714A0D6@azu-mail2.aes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <947E11D9BC3ED311BFC300805F15266714A0D6@azu-mail2.aes.com>; from Wroth, Mark on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 09:15:47AM -0700 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 09:15:47AM -0700, Wroth, Mark wrote: Mark, > Is there an admin message for this list? If so, where is it maintained? Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to "majordomo@tug.org" or to "-request@tug.org". The parameter is only optional if the message is sent to an address of the form "-request@tug.org". Multiple commands can be processed provided each occurs on a separate line. Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed. ---- Start with one-line message help I am afraid current TUG's majordomo doesn't offer digests, but you may use http://tug.org/archives/pdftex/ --ps 2-Sep-1999 0:17:55-GMT,2177;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07408 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14595 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:13:21 -0400 Received: from math.berkeley.edu (yuban-fddi.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14592 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:13:19 -0400 Received: from oldhub.math.berkeley.edu (math.berkeley.edu [128.32.183.94]) by math.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21394 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paulo Ney de Souza Received: from tupinamba.berkeley.edu (tupinamba.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.194]) by oldhub.math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA13854 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (desouza@localhost) by tupinamba.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) id RAA01122 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909020013.RAA01122@tupinamba.berkeley.edu> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref vs. index problem. Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have a file (included below) that runs fine WITHOUT the "hyperref", but that runs into problems when I take the comment from the third line. Apparently "hyperref" redefines some stuff in a way incompatiblem with the "index" package from David Jones as decribed in page 367 of the LaTeX Companion. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to sort this one out ? Paulo Ney ------------------------(cut here)------------------------------------------- \documentclass{report} \usepackage{index} %\usepackage[pdftex=true,backref=true,colorlinks=true,breaklinks=true]{hyperref} \makeindex \shortindexingon \begin{document} \title{Problem of short-indexing and PDF genaration} \author{Paulo Ney de Souza} \maketitle This is the body _{body} of the document. \appendix \shortindexingoff \addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{Index} \printindex \end{document} 2-Sep-1999 2:19:45-GMT,2617;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10130 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14925 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:14:21 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14922 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:14:19 -0400 Received: from remote142-108.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.108] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MMOF-0005bn-00; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:14:15 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990902041348.007a5040@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 04:13:48 +0200 To: Paulo Ney de Souza From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyperref vs. index problem. Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199909020013.RAA01122@tupinamba.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 17:13 01.09.99 -0700, Paulo Ney de Souza wrote: > >I have a file (included below) that runs fine WITHOUT the "hyperref", >but that runs into problems when I take the comment from the third line. >Apparently "hyperref" redefines some stuff in a way incompatiblem with >the "index" package from David Jones as decribed in page 367 of the >LaTeX Companion. >[...] >\documentclass{report} >\usepackage{index} >%\usepackage[pdftex=true,backref=true,colorlinks=true,breaklinks=true]{hype rref} * You have to disable the hyperref redefinitions of the indexing commands with option: hyperindex=false > >\makeindex >\shortindexingon * This command makes ^ and _ active, but hyperref loads some stuff \AtBeginDocument (color package, ...). But these packages require the standard catcodes while loading. So put \shortindexingon _after_ \begin{document} or a \AtBeginDocument{\shortindexingon} does also work here. >\begin{document} >\title{Problem of short-indexing and PDF genaration} >\author{Paulo Ney de Souza} >\maketitle > >This is the body _{body} of the document. * If the page numbers start with one and are numbered consecutively, you can avoid option hypertexnames=false and use \hyperpage to generate links for the page numbers: _{body|hyperpage} Yours sincerely Heiko 2-Sep-1999 15:27:47-GMT,1380;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27203 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA17984 for pdftex-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:04:32 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17981 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:04:30 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsisy.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.53]) by uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27526 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:04:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CE91FA.C6BA7DDB@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:04:26 -0500 From: Amit Mehrotra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: slides References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > To answer the questions, backgrounds are trivial in tex, so putting a > jpg there is no problem. Well so how do we put backgrounds using (La)TeX? I am new to this. Amit 3-Sep-1999 8:40:05-GMT,1472;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24645 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA21077 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:14:44 -0400 Received: from elch.de.uu.net (elch.de.uu.net [192.76.144.55]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA21074 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:14:41 -0400 Received: from gmx.de (pec-136.au3.b.uunet.de [149.228.254.136]) by elch.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA05958 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:12:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37CF834F.91821D9C@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:14:07 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: PDFTeX 0.14a/Linux -- where? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, is there anywhere a PDFTeX 0.14a precompiled for Linux (i386, preferable Glibc 2.1) available. If I recall correctly, it was available at http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/tmp/ , but there is presently only a DJGPP file (as of 1 September) and the source (as of 30 August). Tobias PS: ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta/ has only 0.13d. 3-Sep-1999 19:12:05-GMT,2198;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10308 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA22530 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:56:58 -0400 Received: from noether.math.ksu.edu (noether.math.ksu.edu [129.130.6.19]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22527 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:56:56 -0400 Received: from hobbes.math.ksu.edu (hobbes.math.ksu.edu [129.130.6.20]) by noether.math.ksu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2934F1A422 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:56:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:56:47 -0500 (CDT) From: James Thompson To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: PDF Views fine prints wrong Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'll start by saying that although I must install and configure tex I'm am not myself a tex user. Today our technical typist informed me that she needed to convert some tex and latex files to PDF format. Using Acrobat on a pvips created ps file generated terrible results and IIRC it is a real pain to reconfigure to get good results. I happen to be installing teTeX-1.0 on our main system which came with pdftex/pdflatex so we gave it a try. PDF files seem fine except for when being printed from acrobat reader 3 or 4 under windows 95. In that case the margins are all wrong. They do however look correct on the screen. Acrobat reader under Solaris views and prints the same pdf file perfectly. I couldn't find any references to this problem in the docs, faq, or mail archive. If I've missed something please let me know. Thanks. ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-< James Thompson 138 Cardwell Hall Manhattan, Ks 66506 785-532-0561 Kansas State University Department of Mathematics ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-< 4-Sep-1999 8:01:47-GMT,2660;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27464 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA24269 for pdftex-list; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:52:06 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24266 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:52:02 -0400 Received: from max142.public.ox.ac.uk (max142.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.142]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA12191; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:52:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:51:29 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: James Thompson cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF Views fine prints wrong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, James Thompson wrote: > > Hello, > > I'll start by saying that although I must install and configure tex I'm am > not myself a tex user. > > Today our technical typist informed me that she needed to convert some tex > and latex files to PDF format. Using Acrobat on a pvips created ps file > generated terrible results and IIRC it is a real pain to reconfigure to > get good results. Did you ensure you used only type 1 fonts when using `pvips'? Apart from needing to specify a standard paper size (you probably are happy with the default of `letter') I find Distiller just works for me unless there are complicated figures such as screen dumps, when I need to adjust the graphics parameters. > I happen to be installing teTeX-1.0 on our main system > which came with pdftex/pdflatex so we gave it a try. > > PDF files seem fine except for when being printed from acrobat reader 3 or > 4 under windows 95. In that case the margins are all wrong. They do > however look correct on the screen. Acrobat reader under Solaris views > and prints the same pdf file perfectly. My docs done with pdftex print correctly on all three, but then I do set the papersize to A4. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 4-Sep-1999 10:23:40-GMT,1568;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29824 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA24586 for pdftex-list; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:17:23 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA24579 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:17:21 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p25.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.26]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15187; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990904061347.01c23640@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:15:47 -0400 To: James Thompson From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: PDF Views fine prints wrong Cc: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, James Thompson wrote: > Today our technical typist informed me that she needed to convert some tex > and latex files to PDF format. Using Acrobat on a pvips created ps file > generated terrible results and IIRC it is a real pain to reconfigure to > get good results. Please refer to http://www.YandY.com/download/pdf_from..pdf --- if you must use DVIPS... Regards, Berthold -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 5-Sep-1999 12:52:22-GMT,1780;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00156 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 06:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA26472 for pdftex-list; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:40:23 -0400 Received: from frank.Physics.DCU.IE (frank.Physics.DCU.IE [136.206.20.12]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26469 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:40:13 -0400 Received: from physics.dcu.ie (LubosPolerecky.Physics.DCU.IE [136.206.20.75]) by frank.Physics.DCU.IE (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03547 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:40:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <37D26521.BCFFDD27@physics.dcu.ie> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:42:09 +0100 From: Lubos Polerecky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX Subject: search problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, when I try to search my *.pdf document produced by pdflatex (coming with tetex-0.9 TeX distribution) or *.ps document produced by latex and dvips, I couldn't find words containing double-character strings fl, fi, etc. Obviously, it is due to the fact that TeX automatically changes them to some kind of double characters fl, fi, etc., in which l and i are kind of attached to f. When I looked in the PS file I found that fl and fi is substituted by \015 and \014 which results in my problems with searching. Does anybody know how to turn this feature off? Thanks, Lubos. School of Physical Sciences Dublin City University lup@physics.dcu.ie 5-Sep-1999 13:53:54-GMT,2079;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01273 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 07:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA26724 for pdftex-list; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:48:53 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26721 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:48:52 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p65.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.66]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12097; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990905094431.01bf8a10@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 09:44:46 -0400 To: Lubos Polerecky , pdfTeX From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: search problems In-Reply-To: <37D26521.BCFFDD27@physics.dcu.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk when I try to search my *.pdf document produced by pdflatex (coming with tetex-0.9 TeX distribution) or *.ps document produced by latex and dvips, I couldn't find words containing double-character strings fl, fi, etc. Obviously, it is due to the fact that TeX automatically changes them to some kind of double characters fl, fi, etc., in which l and i are kind of attached to f. When I looked in the PS file I found that fl and fi is substituted by \015 and \014 which results in my problems with searching. Acrobat 4.0 should handle this correctly with a properly prepared PDF file. What Reader are you using? With what fonts? Does anybody know how to turn this feature off? Most TeX systems do not have a way of suppressing use of f-ligatures specified in the TFM file. You'd have to make a new TFM. Some TeX Systems :-) have a command line flag to turn this off. -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 5-Sep-1999 15:00:55-GMT,3305;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02518 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA27019 for pdftex-list; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:55:10 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27016 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:55:06 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26097; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:54:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37D2868C.A2640C8@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 01:04:44 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Thompson CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF Views fine prints wrong References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, This is no doubt irrelevant, but there is an error in the pdftex.cfg file in the tetex distribution, in that it has the lines page_width 210mm page_height 297mm horigin 1in vorigin 1in which really should be page_width 210truemm page_height 297truemm horigin 1truein vorigin 1truein This causes a problem which can look like incorrect margin widths when the tex file uses TeX's \mag primitive. But people who only use pdflatex rather than plain pdftex won't have a problem since LaTeX doesn't use \mag. Anyway, this can't be your problem if the same file prints OK under Solaris. Have you tried downloading a pdftex generated pdf file from elsewhere and printing it on your windows 95 machine? I don't have any trouble printing pdftex pdf files under windows 95. Perhaps you should put a problem pdf file somewhere where it can be looked at. Bob Howlett James Thompson wrote: > > Hello, > > I'll start by saying that although I must install and configure tex I'm am > not myself a tex user. > > Today our technical typist informed me that she needed to convert some tex > and latex files to PDF format. Using Acrobat on a pvips created ps file > generated terrible results and IIRC it is a real pain to reconfigure to > get good results. I happen to be installing teTeX-1.0 on our main system > which came with pdftex/pdflatex so we gave it a try. > > PDF files seem fine except for when being printed from acrobat reader 3 or > 4 under windows 95. In that case the margins are all wrong. They do > however look correct on the screen. Acrobat reader under Solaris views > and prints the same pdf file perfectly. > > I couldn't find any references to this problem in the docs, faq, or mail > archive. If I've missed something please let me know. Thanks. > > ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-< > James Thompson 138 Cardwell Hall Manhattan, Ks 66506 785-532-0561 > Kansas State University Department of Mathematics > ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-< 5-Sep-1999 16:25:42-GMT,2118;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04235 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27340 for pdftex-list; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:17:46 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27337 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:17:43 -0400 Received: from remote142-62.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.62] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Nesg-0002e2-00; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:11:03 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990905180927.007ada40@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:09:27 +0200 To: Lubos Polerecky From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: search problems Cc: pdfTeX In-Reply-To: <37D26521.BCFFDD27@physics.dcu.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 13:42 05.09.99 +0100, Lubos Polerecky wrote: > >when I try to search my *.pdf document produced by pdflatex >(coming with tetex-0.9 TeX distribution) or *.ps document produced >by latex and dvips, I couldn't find words containing double-character >strings fl, fi, etc. Obviously, it is due to the fact that TeX >automatically changes them to some kind of double characters fl, >fi, etc., in which l and i are kind of attached to f. When I looked >in the PS file I found that fl and fi is substituted by \015 >and \014 which results in my problems with searching. fl and fi are ligatures. There is no TeX command to disable ligatures automatically. Manually they can be prevented by f\/l, f{}l (not always), f{\kern0pt}l Another possiblity is to create virtual fonts that do not use ligatures. Yours sincerely Heiko 6-Sep-1999 1:38:37-GMT,2252;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15369 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA28080 for pdftex-list; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:31:44 -0400 Received: from jane.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:root@jane.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28077 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:31:42 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by jane.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12876; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:51:51 -0400 To: Berthold Horn Cc: James Thompson , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF Views fine prints wrong References: <4.2.0.58.19990904061347.01c23640@tiac.net> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 05 Sep 1999 20:51:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: Y&Y Support Line's message of "Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:15:47 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Y&Y Support Line writes: > On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, James Thompson wrote: > > > Today our technical typist informed me that she needed to convert some tex > > and latex files to PDF format. Using Acrobat on a pvips created ps file > > generated terrible results and IIRC it is a real pain to reconfigure to > > get good results. > > Please refer to http://www.YandY.com/download/pdf_from..pdf --- if > you must use DVIPS... I found that document very interesting the first time I read it. My reaction was to try to write documents that did not rely on postscript postprocessing. So far that's produced great results. I'm currently using teTeX, and I'm curious as to why teTeX is set up so that tex and latex (not pdftex and pdflatex) use the bitmapped fonts by default. Is there a disadvantage to using the scalable postscript fonts? Sometimes it would be very convenient to be able to convert my postscript documents into PDF with ghostscript and have them look nice. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 6-Sep-1999 6:04:21-GMT,2169;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20982 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA28784 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:58:57 -0400 Received: from pns.brandenburg.de (pns.brandenburg.de [194.76.232.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28781 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:58:55 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pns.brandenburg.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA02946 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:56:27 +0200 (METDST) Received: from www1.brandenburg.de(194.76.232.130) by pns.brandenburg.de via smap (V1.3) id sma002942; Mon Sep 6 07:56:15 1999 Received: from pkvbb5.ldspdm.ldsbb.lvnbb.de (PKVBB5.LDSPDM.LDSBB.LVNBB.de [10.128.9.12]) by hp_www.ldspdm.ldsbb.lvnbb.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06699 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:58:40 +0200 (METDST) Received: by PKVBB5.LDSPDM.LDSBB.LVNBB.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:57:56 +0200 Message-ID: <0F3313EC125AD311981100105AB3A75D07B537@N0795.mdf.fvbb.de> From: "Haseloff, Lutz" To: "'pdfTeX Mailinglist'" Subject: AW: PDF Views fine prints wrong Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:58:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > PDF files seem fine except for when being printed from > acrobat reader 3 or > 4 under windows 95. In that case the margins are all wrong. They do > however look correct on the screen. Acrobat reader under > Solaris views > and prints the same pdf file perfectly. Two weeks ago this problem took my sleep for 3 nights. The Problem is the Acrobat Reader which scales the Page to the printable size on the paper for the selected printer. In my german Reader i had to uncheck the box Seitengroesse (Size of the Page) which is checked by default in the print menu please excuse my bad english Lutz 6-Sep-1999 6:35:12-GMT,3740;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21718 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA28979 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 02:28:52 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA28976 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 02:28:46 -0400 Received: from max116.public.ox.ac.uk (max116.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.116]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA16471; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:29:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:28:02 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: "Ed L. Cashin" cc: Berthold Horn , James Thompson , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF Views fine prints wrong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 5 Sep 1999, Ed L. Cashin wrote: > Y&Y Support Line writes: > > > On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, James Thompson wrote: > > > > > Today our technical typist informed me that she needed to convert some tex > > > and latex files to PDF format. Using Acrobat on a pvips created ps file > > > generated terrible results and IIRC it is a real pain to reconfigure to > > > get good results. > > > > Please refer to http://www.YandY.com/download/pdf_from..pdf --- if > > you must use DVIPS... > > I found that document very interesting the first time I read it. My Yes, but my subsequent experience suggested it was overly pessimistic: it is not an unbiased viewpoint (as the comment hints, and the misuse of u/case reminds one that it comes from people using only case-insensitive file systems). > reaction was to try to write documents that did not rely on postscript > postprocessing. So far that's produced great results. So you don't need PStricks, then. > I'm currently using teTeX, and I'm curious as to why teTeX is set up > so that tex and latex (not pdftex and pdflatex) use the bitmapped > fonts by default. Is there a disadvantage to using the scalable > postscript fonts? They produce files that are usually somewhat larger and need more memory in the printer to print. The latter is not usually a problem these days, but does affect a couple of older personal printers people have here. The former can be a problem with documents put up for downloading. Finally, you need to watch copyright issues on the scalable fonts. Some of them do have restrictions on use (and on embedding). > Sometimes it would be very convenient to be able to convert my > postscript documents into PDF with ghostscript and have them look > nice. Well, you'll need the next Ghostscript, I believe, if you use other than the 14 base fonts. As I posted before, we routinely use Distiller for that, and although it is not free, its academic price is pretty low. That is not to say that pdf(la)tex is not the route I tend to prefer, provided I don't need PStricks and provided I can make PDF versions of my figures (and sometimes I need Distiller to do that, and sometimes pdftex will not include the result). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 6-Sep-1999 14:43:19-GMT,1805;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01446 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA30361 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:21:30 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA30358 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:21:28 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11NzeA-0006sj-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:21:26 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Nze9-0005S1-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:21:25 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14291.56050.664579.919763@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:17:06 +0000 (GMT) To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Wroth, Mark writes: > Can anyone explain to me why the two \href's defined here > > \href{3010-W-99-025 Apex 2.4 SPSRM.pdf}{3010-W-99-025}. Azusa CA: > Aerojet, 1999. (test: \href{texone.pdf}{texone} > > behave differently in Acrobat Reader? The first one (\href{3010....}) hyperref looks at file suffixes. the latter is ".pdf", the former ".4 SPSRM.pdf" life is hard Sebastian 6-Sep-1999 14:58:01-GMT,1664;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01759 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA30420 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:47:14 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA30416 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:47:10 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16350 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:47:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10901 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:47:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909061447.QAA10901@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.14b To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:47:05 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, pdftex-0.14b is available at ftp://ftp.muni.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex (actually it is a sym link to pdftex-beta/0.14b). In case the ftp server is too slow or down, one can try at http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/download/ There are no important changes apart from updating to xpdf-0.90 and latest tetex. tiff support is included by default. Some minor bugs in pdf inclusion mechanism have been fixed. Thanh 6-Sep-1999 15:40:31-GMT,1074;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02654 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA30796 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:29:05 -0400 Received: from fusl.ac.be (sunstation2.fusl.ac.be [193.190.251.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA30792 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:29:02 -0400 Received: from [193.190.250.97] (fusl97.fusl.ac.be [193.190.250.97]) by fusl.ac.be (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12838 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:13:22 +0100 (WET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: odw@mail.hotpop.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:28:46 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: odw Subject: How to know when takes place Mac updates.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Olivier 6-Sep-1999 16:33:27-GMT,1374;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03905 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA31223 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:20:00 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA31220 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:19:57 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FHN00901C17QO@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FHN005INC16Y4@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: How to know when takes place Mac updates.... In-reply-to: To: odw Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Check Tom Kiffe's web page: http://www.kiffe.com/tex/pdftex.html On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, odw wrote: > > Olivier > 7-Sep-1999 6:35:57-GMT,2435;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22194 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA00390 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:44 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA00383 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:23:53 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06353 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:19:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16262 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:21:00 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA11286; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:20:59 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:20:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909070620.IAA11286@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk P^4 (PPower4) is a post processor for pdf presentations created by pdf(la)tex. It can be used to prepare presentations which include pages building up step by step when viewed with Acrobat Reader (v4.x). The software is written in Java. It is available with some examples on http://www-sp.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/software/ppower4/ Suggestions or other hints for improvement are welcome. Please note, that I will be without mail access from 11 Sep 1999 until the end of September. Any requests during that time will have to wait. Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt 7-Sep-1999 8:20:05-GMT,1719;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24257 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA00923 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:03:41 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA00920 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:03:34 -0400 From: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Received: from www-mail.usyd.edu.au (lorica [129.78.64.15]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19455; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:03:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:03:19 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199909070803.SAA19455@lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au> To: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: pdftex-0.14b X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan v2.0 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I downloaded pdftex-djgpp.zip and pdftex'd a file which attempts to include a tiff image. I got the error This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14b ..(etc).. ./OldCrest.tif: Can not read TIFF directory Error: c:/texmain/bin/pdftex.exe (file OldCrest.tif): reading TIFF image failed Now I still have pdftex 0.12o-6-tiff3, and it works fine on the same file (after making the small modifications required by the syntax changes). From my perspective, tiff inclusion seems to be getting worse rather than better! When I change "OldCrest.tif" to "OldCrest.png" (which also exists in the same directory as OldCrest.tif) then pdftex14b works fine,as expected. I'm running Windows98, if that's relevant. Bob Howlett 7-Sep-1999 8:53:45-GMT,1711;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24878 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA09943 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:39:01 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA09940 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:38:58 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11OGmH-0003FV-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:38:57 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11OGmH-0000FY-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:38:57 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14292.56366.352719.251896@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:34:38 +0000 (GMT) To: guntermann@iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available In-Reply-To: <199909070620.IAA11286@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <199909070620.IAA11286@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Klaus Guntermann writes: > P^4 (PPower4) is a post processor for pdf presentations created by > pdf(la)tex. It can be used to prepare presentations which include excellent demo! would you like this mirrored onto CTAN? sebastian 7-Sep-1999 9:19:33-GMT,2320;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25378 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA10055 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:55:14 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA10051 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 04:55:06 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14673; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:53:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20576; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:54:46 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA11683; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:54:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:54:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909070854.KAA11683@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available In-Reply-To: <14292.56366.352719.251896@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <199909070620.IAA11286@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> <14292.56366.352719.251896@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > would you like this mirrored onto CTAN? Having it mirrored to CTAN would be fine for me. Maybe you can also add a link in the examples list at http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/ Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt 7-Sep-1999 9:37:49-GMT,1420;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25693 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA10316 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 05:21:29 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10310 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 05:21:24 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02252 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:21:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24724 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:21:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909070921.LAA24724@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: djgpp & TIFF To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:21:21 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk the djgpp binaries were compiled by cross-compiler on linux, which may be the reason of the problem with TIFF image. Perhaps the binaries by Fabrice will fix the problem. Thanh 7-Sep-1999 11:26:14-GMT,1386;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28124 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 05:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA11489 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:09:22 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11486 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:09:20 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11810; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:09:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03156; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:09:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909071109.NAA03156@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: djgpp & TIFF To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:09:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I found out this problem is caused by a bug related to tifflib configuration, so recompiling on DOS/Win32 wouldn't help. Please wait for a while. Thanh 7-Sep-1999 11:47:07-GMT,2558;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28488 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 05:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA11608 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:34:20 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11605 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:34:18 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29894; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:33:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15800; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:34:10 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA12184; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:34:10 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:34:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909071134.NAA12184@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Karsten Tinnefeld Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available In-Reply-To: <199909071110.NAA29088@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> References: <199909070620.IAA11286@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> <199909071110.NAA29088@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Karsten Tinnefeld writes: > Looks very good and works with Reader 3.01 / Solaris as well for me > (tested with forms plugin). Good to hear that. I had problems with Reader 3.x under Linux and therefore recommended version 4.x > The link to > http://www-sp.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/software/ppower4/bericht.ps > in the German version "odemo.pdf" is broken, the link in the > English document works. Thank you. I fixed that (for bericht.pdf). Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt 7-Sep-1999 12:06:11-GMT,1569;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28867 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA11739 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:54:15 -0400 Received: from samba.intra.jablotron.cz (gw.jablotron.cz [194.228.41.250]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11736 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:54:13 -0400 Received: from osoba (osoba.intra.jablotron.cz [192.168.250.38]) by samba.intra.jablotron.cz with SMTP id OAA09495 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:02:27 +0200 Message-ID: <199909071202.OAA09495@samba.intra.jablotron.cz> From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:54:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: djgpp & TIFF Reply-to: Jiri Osoba In-reply-to: <199909070921.LAA24724@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 7 Sep 99, at 11:21, Han The Thanh wrote: > the djgpp binaries were compiled by cross-compiler on linux, which may be > the reason of the problem with TIFF image. Perhaps the binaries by Fabrice > will fix the problem. You can try djgpp binaries compiled under DOS: ftp://ftp.jablotron.cz/pub/users/osoba/pdftex/pdftex0.14b-djgpp.zip Jiri. 7-Sep-1999 15:52:19-GMT,1231;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04633 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA12898 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:25:04 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12895 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:25:01 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11ON7C-0000JQ-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:24:58 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ON7C-0002H3-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:24:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex.def Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:24:58 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk apologies, http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex.def is now correct thanks for noticing, Fabrice sebastian 7-Sep-1999 16:26:22-GMT,2226;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05666 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:26:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA13172 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:15:08 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13169 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:15:06 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id JAA15592; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:15:00 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015568; Tue Sep 7 09:14:17 1999 Received: from azu-mail1.aes.com ([159.4.100.112]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA323613; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:13:27 -0700 Received: by azu-mail1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C152041@azu-mail3.aes.com> From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: "'Sebastian Rahtz'" Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:13:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Aha. Not the most convenient behavior in the world, but understandable. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Rahtz [mailto:sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 8:17 AM To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior Wroth, Mark writes: > Can anyone explain to me why the two \href's defined here > > \href{3010-W-99-025 Apex 2.4 SPSRM.pdf}{3010-W-99-025}. Azusa CA: > Aerojet, 1999. (test: \href{texone.pdf}{texone} > > behave differently in Acrobat Reader? The first one (\href{3010....}) hyperref looks at file suffixes. the latter is ".pdf", the former ".4 SPSRM.pdf" life is hard Sebastian 7-Sep-1999 16:39:05-GMT,2117;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06002 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:38:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA13319 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:30:23 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13315 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:30:20 -0400 Received: from remote142-82.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.82] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OO21-00073A-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:23:41 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990907180437.007a5ce0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:04:37 +0200 To: Sebastian Rahtz , MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <14291.56050.664579.919763@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 15:17 06.09.99 +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >Wroth, Mark writes: > > Can anyone explain to me why the two \href's defined here > > > > \href{3010-W-99-025 Apex 2.4 SPSRM.pdf}{3010-W-99-025}. Azusa CA: > > Aerojet, 1999. (test: \href{texone.pdf}{texone} > > > > behave differently in Acrobat Reader? The first one (\href{3010....}) > >hyperref looks at file suffixes. the latter is ".pdf", the former >".4 SPSRM.pdf" You can mask the first point: \begingroup \newcommand\point{} \catcode`\.=11 \gdef\point{.} \endgroup \href{3010-W-99-025 Apex 2\point 4 SPSRM.pdf}{3010-W-99-025} Yours sincerely Heiko 8-Sep-1999 0:28:42-GMT,1407;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18895 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA15191 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:19:17 -0400 Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA15188 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:19:14 -0400 Received: from ppp11836.qc.bellglobal.com (ppp11836.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.149.69]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18898 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: <37daaa74.31858603@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all I tried to compile exm2.tex but the background.sty file gives nothing. I use pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (MiKTeX 1.20d) MikTex, and LaTeX can find that sty file, but the background in Acrobat 4.0 (French(?.) version) remains white.. Any clue?? Thanks 8-Sep-1999 1:25:09-GMT,1905;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20292 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA15405 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:20:51 -0400 Received: from f1n8.u.arizona.edu (IDENT:mcquaid@f1n8.U.Arizona.EDU [128.196.137.108]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15402 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:20:48 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by f1n8.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA37048 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:20:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:20:29 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available Message-ID: <19990907182028.A24064@U.Arizona.EDU> References: <37daaa74.31858603@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37daaa74.31858603@smtp1.sympatico.ca>; from Pierre Desjardins on Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 08:19:17PM -0400 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I think I got as far as you did. I assumed that the background would remain white until I applied the postprocessor, but I can't seem to understand how it works. I just get the error message "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from pp4.jar" when I try to run Java on that file. ... regarding a message from Pierre Desjardins on Sep 07: > Hi to all > > I tried to compile exm2.tex but the background.sty file gives nothing. > I use pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (MiKTeX 1.20d) MikTex, and LaTeX can find that sty > file, but the background in Acrobat 4.0 (French(?.) version) remains white.. > > Any clue?? > Thanks -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail 8-Sep-1999 2:11:12-GMT,1764;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21363 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA15667 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:06:40 -0400 Received: from shao (mail@[203.63.219.44]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15664 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:06:37 -0400 Received: from shao by shao with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11OXNs-0002hF-00; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:22:52 +1000 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:22:52 +1000 From: Shao Zhang To: Pdftex Mailing List Subject: pdftex & dvipdf Message-ID: <19990908122252.A10360@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am just wondering what is the diffence between pdftex and dvipdf? I have been having some trouble to keep my ps version of .tex file and pdf version of .tex files in sync. But with the dvipdf program, I can simply choose which format I want. Am I missing something else? Thanks. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _____ Department of Communications / __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: shao@cia.com.au |___/ _____________________________________________________________________________ 8-Sep-1999 7:57:20-GMT,2866;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29094 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16394 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 03:30:03 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16391 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 03:29:56 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20797; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:08:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17968; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:09:11 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA13549; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:09:10 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:09:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909080609.IAA13549@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mick McQuaid Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available In-Reply-To: <19990907182028.A24064@U.Arizona.EDU> References: <37daaa74.31858603@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <19990907182028.A24064@U.Arizona.EDU> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mick McQuaid writes: > I think I got as far as you did. I assumed that the > background would remain white until I applied the > postprocessor, That's it. > but I can't seem to understand how it works. > > I just get the error message > "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from pp4.jar" > when I try to run Java on that file. There is (currently) no Main-Class manifest in pp4.jar. I'll have to learn how to supply that... You should give the class name de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 for the time being calling java in the form CLASSPATH=pp4.jar java de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 "ARGUMENTS" or java -classpath pp4.jar de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 "ARGUMENTS" depending on your java version, of course replacing "ARGUMENTS" by at least the two file names for input and output. I hope that helps, Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt 8-Sep-1999 8:05:21-GMT,2875;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29280 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16440 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 03:45:13 -0400 Received: from f1n7.u.arizona.edu (IDENT:root@f1n7.U.Arizona.EDU [128.196.137.107]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16437 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 03:45:08 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by f1n7.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20558 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:00:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:00:12 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available Message-ID: <19990907220011.A26518@U.Arizona.EDU> References: <37daaa74.31858603@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <19990907182028.A24064@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990907182028.A24064@U.Arizona.EDU>; from Mick McQuaid on Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 06:20:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Oh. I think i just made a simple blunder leading to my earlier message ... When I said the correct java -cp pp4.jar de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 exm2.pdf out.pdf instead of the incorrect java -cp pp4.jar PPower4 exm2.pdf out.pdf the error messages went away and everything was fine. The file out.pdf contained just what was expected, gradient backgrounds, dissolves, and incremental builds. Apparently, if you just say PPower4, java only looks in the jar file for just exactly that. But if you look inside the jar file with winzip or some similar utility, you can see that the path de/tu_darmstadt/sp/pp4 is stored with the main class, PPower4. So you have to prepend that path somehow to make java understand how to find PPower4. ... regarding a message from Mick McQuaid on Sep 07: > I think I got as far as you did. I assumed that the > background would remain white until I applied the > postprocessor, but I can't seem to understand how it works. > > I just get the error message > "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from pp4.jar" > when I try to run Java on that file. > > ... regarding a message from Pierre Desjardins on Sep 07: > > Hi to all > > > > I tried to compile exm2.tex but the background.sty file gives nothing. > > I use pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (MiKTeX 1.20d) MikTex, and LaTeX can find that sty > > file, but the background in Acrobat 4.0 (French(?.) version) remains white.. > > > > Any clue?? > > Thanks > > -- > Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu > 520-621-4074 office / voice mail -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail 8-Sep-1999 15:26:16-GMT,1474;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08696 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17512 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:52:39 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (root@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17509 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:52:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28116 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:51:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available In-Reply-To: <199909080609.IAA13549@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Klaus Guntermann wrote: > You should give the class name > de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 for the time being calling > java in the form > CLASSPATH=pp4.jar java de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 "ARGUMENTS" Nice work! Move over, PowerPoint. -- Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC 9-Sep-1999 14:48:03-GMT,2953;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11847 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21054 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:22:12 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21051 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:22:10 -0400 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsisy.csl.uiuc.edu [130.126.137.53]) by uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03878 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:21:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D7C284.9759D0F2@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:21:56 -0500 From: Amit Mehrotra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdflatex or gs problem? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am having a colour problem with converted pdf files. When an eps file contains only one colour, and I convert it to pdf using epstopdf and include it in a tex file with dark background and white foregraound, the pdf file generated with pdflatex has the pdf picture with white lines (which is what it should do). The latex file is included below \documentclass{slides} \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} \usepackage[pdftex]{color} \pagecolor{blue} \begin{document} {\color{white} \begin{slide} \includegraphics{onecolour.pdf} \includegraphics{twocolour.pdf} \end{slide}} \end{document} But if the eps file has colours in it then the included pdf file has some lines coloured black and some white. I thought it is a gs bug but people over there pointed out it might be pdflatex problem. Please help! Amit PS: Here are two xfig files which can be converted to eps and then to pdf using epstopdf. Since the fig files are much smaller than the eps files, I am including them here. --------------------------------onecolour.fig---------------------------------- #FIG 3.2 Portrait Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 1 3 0 1 0 7 100 0 -1 0.000 1 0.0000 4350 2175 1061 1061 4350 2175 3300 2025 2 1 0 1 0 7 100 0 -1 0.000 0 0 -1 0 0 2 825 825 825 3825 2 1 0 1 0 7 100 0 -1 0.000 0 0 -1 0 0 2 1350 825 1350 3825 ---------------------------------twocolour.fig--------------------------------- #FIG 3.2 Portrait Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 1 3 0 1 0 7 100 0 -1 0.000 1 0.0000 4350 2175 1061 1061 4350 2175 3300 2025 2 1 0 1 0 7 100 0 -1 0.000 0 0 -1 0 0 2 825 825 825 3825 2 1 0 1 0 7 100 0 -1 0.000 0 0 -1 0 0 2 1350 825 1350 3825 2 1 0 1 4 7 100 0 -1 0.000 0 0 -1 0 0 2 2250 750 2250 3900 2 1 0 1 0 7 100 0 -1 0.000 0 0 -1 0 0 2 2775 750 2775 3975 10-Sep-1999 6:36:03-GMT,1700;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06541 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA23095 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:27:46 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA23092 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:27:43 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 11PK9l-0004UA-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:27:33 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 11PK9l-00058G-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:27:33 +0400 Received: from tobotras by david.service.jet.msk.su with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11PK9k-0003Yg-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:27:32 +0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Balloon notes Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Boris Tobotras Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:27:32 +0400 In-Reply-To: Heiko Oberdiek's message of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:42:22 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, can pdftex create a balloon notes in PDF? I mean, when user clicks on (or points to) reference like footnote number, separate small window with note text appears instead of moving main window point to reference target. Thanks, -- Best regards, -- Boris. 10-Sep-1999 6:37:32-GMT,2069;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06583 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA23100 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:29:34 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA23097 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:29:31 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 11PKBW-0004UO-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:22 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 11PKBW-000597-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:22 +0400 Received: from tobotras by david.service.jet.msk.su with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11PKBV-0003Yj-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:29:21 +0400 To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior References: <14291.56050.664579.919763@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Boris Tobotras Date: 10 Sep 1999 10:29:21 +0400 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of "Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:17:06 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Rahtz writes: >> \href{3010-W-99-025 Apex 2.4 SPSRM.pdf}{3010-W-99-025}. Azusa CA: >> Aerojet, 1999. (test: \href{texone.pdf}{texone} Sebastian> hyperref looks at file suffixes. the latter is ".pdf", the Sebastian> former ".4 SPSRM.pdf" Sebastian> life is hard Oh, horror. Are there any issues preventing hyperref from looking to last dot instead of first one? -- Best regards, -- Boris. 10-Sep-1999 8:03:15-GMT,1840;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08200 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:03:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA23656 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:55:21 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA23653 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:55:16 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id IAA06124; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:51:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:51:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199909100751.IAA06124@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tobotras@jet.msk.su CC: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (message from Boris Tobotras on 10 Sep 1999 10:29:21 +0400) Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior References: <14291.56050.664579.919763@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Oh, horror. Are there any issues preventing hyperref from looking to last dot instead of first one Certainly for the graphics package it would be a bad idea just to look at the last component (which is often as not .gz and doesn't tell you anything) and you really need to grab the whole extension, eg .ps.gz. Hyperref probably should stay consistent with that (it may even use the same code, I can't remember). Given that your filename appears to have both multiple dots and spaces in it, you should feel lucky if any platform independent processing system accepts it at all:-) David 10-Sep-1999 8:13:42-GMT,2341;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08395 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23770 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:05:01 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23767 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:04:58 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11PLft-0004KG-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:04:49 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PLfs-0006aZ-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:04:48 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14296.48031.210629.77328@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:04:47 +0100 (BST) To: tobotras@jet.msk.su Cc: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior In-Reply-To: References: <14291.56050.664579.919763@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Boris Tobotras writes: > Sebastian> hyperref looks at file suffixes. the latter is ".pdf", the > Sebastian> former ".4 SPSRM.pdf" > > Sebastian> life is hard > > Oh, horror. Are there any issues preventing hyperref from looking > to last dot instead of first one? hmm. when David Carlisle has an hour to spare, ask him to lead you through the history of this in the graphics package. I followed his lead, and I don't think hyperref should work in a different mindset to graphics. to be honest with you, I do not feel I have time/energy to work on this, as I think the simple "prefix.suffix"-only convention is deeply embedded in our collective culture (ie it doesnt affect me :-}). As always, if anyone wants to take that bit of hyperref code and rewrite it to be more robust, we'd be happy to have it in. Sebastian 10-Sep-1999 11:46:19-GMT,1794;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12328 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA24439 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:13:45 -0400 Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24436 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:13:44 -0400 Received: from ppp11851.qc.bellglobal.com (ppp11851.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.149.84]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14494 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:17:25 -0400 (EDT) From: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37dae797.2315463@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all Since I am (completly) new to Java implementation, I would like to ask some help from you, as experts. To use PPower4 in a Win98 configuration, I downloaded the whole 20Meg package from http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/ for win98 After installing and trying to use pp4.jar, I still get the same error message "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from pp4.jar".pdf out.pdf after calling it with java -cp pp4.jar de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 exm2.pdf out.pdf. The pp4.jar file is in the same directory as java.exe. Maybe the Windows 98 way of working is different as Unix's? Thanks for yourhelp! pierred1@sympatico.ca 10-Sep-1999 13:45:25-GMT,1991;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14749 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA24796 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:18:05 -0400 Received: from bidu.ime.usp.br (bidu.ime.usp.br [143.107.45.12]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24793 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:18:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 20181 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 13:17:46 -0000 Received: from fradim.ime.usp.br (HELO pipoca.ime.usp.br) (143.107.45.37) by bidu.ime.usp.br with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 13:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 16304 invoked by uid 419); 10 Sep 1999 13:17:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910131735.16303.qmail@pipoca.ime.usp.br> From: Pedro A Tonelli Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:17:35 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: 0.14b and pdfscreen X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 20.4.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I run into troubles when using pdftex 0.14b combined with the package pdfscreen 0.96 and option [sidebar]. The problem is probably related with the use of image inclusion with \pdfimage in pdfscreen.sty. As long as I understood reading the mail list and the manual this primitive has changed [1] in version 0.14. Is there any documentation explaining all the changes made from 0.13 to 0.14? Is there any new release of pdfscreen? By the way I would like to suggest that in the web page [2] PDFTeX support a link to the file example.tex could be added. Since this file of the pdftex source distribution doesn't come with the binary dists, and it is important to see new primitives in action. Thanks -Pedro A. Tonelli- -- [1] http://tug.org/ListsArchives/pdftex/msg05271.html [2] http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/ 10-Sep-1999 15:16:27-GMT,3368;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17604 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25016 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:42:14 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25013 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:42:13 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id HAA05034; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:42:07 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005023; Fri Sep 10 07:41:38 1999 Received: from azu-public1.aes.com ([159.4.100.109]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA378301 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:41:38 -0700 Received: by azu-public1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:41:38 -0700 Message-ID: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:41:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Well, it was my file name, not Boris', so anyone wants to gripe about the syntax .... Two comments. First, I think the desired behavior for platform independent systems is to accept any legal file name on the particular host. I'll grant you that is user desire rather than programmer ease, but there it is. Second, once I understood the cause of the behaviour (and especially once Heiko Oberdiek [oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de] made the obvious workaround explicit) *my* problem was solved. The only thing I found irritating about the whole thing was that I couldn't figure out what the cause of the difference in processing was (too embedded in the ideal that the last "." marks the beginning of the filetype suffix, I guess --- that is how NT appears to parse filenames :-) If I got a vote, I'd vote to make hyperref start with the last "." for suffix processing, as Boris suggests. But it's not a major issue for me. Thanks to all, BTW, both for your help on this issue and for a very helpful set of code/macro packages. -----Original Message----- From: David Carlisle [mailto:davidc@nag.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:51 AM To: tobotras@jet.msk.su Cc: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk; MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com; pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior Oh, horror. Are there any issues preventing hyperref from looking to last dot instead of first one Certainly for the graphics package it would be a bad idea just to look at the last component (which is often as not .gz and doesn't tell you anything) and you really need to grab the whole extension, eg .ps.gz. Hyperref probably should stay consistent with that (it may even use the same code, I can't remember). Given that your filename appears to have both multiple dots and spaces in it, you should feel lucky if any platform independent processing system accepts it at all:-) David 10-Sep-1999 16:21:59-GMT,2968;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19628 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:21:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25317 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:47:18 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25314 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:46:57 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id QAA20044; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:40:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:40:46 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199909101540.QAA20044@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> (MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com) Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior References: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk First, I think the desired behavior for platform independent systems is to accept any legal file name on the particular host. I'll grant you that is user desire rather than programmer ease, but there it is. since when did anyone give users what they desire:-) Actually maximum cross platform portability is ensured if the application _rejects_ any file that is illegal on any target platform. (which is a bit harsh, but still why using 8+3 monocase filenames is a good idea) Especially using filenames with spaces in tex is a bad idea as tex can't see them. You can of course put them in reference to a file (ignoring for now that spaces are not legal in urls) but if your tex macro package needs to access the file itself, eg to warn if it is not there in the case of the graphics package, then it simply can not be made to work for tex, tex's file handling just stops at spaces (whatever catcode). > I guess --- that is how NT appears to parse filenames :-) on systems with a bit more flexibility than tex it makes sense to start at that end and work backwards. If file ends with .gs, uncompress it and start again if (now) file ends in .ps, it is postscript... But in tex you can't set up a pipeline of filters to process the command so that doesn't work. However you can recognise certain fixed things, like .ps.gz and process them as a unit. so latex (me, actually) provides a filename parser \filename@parse built in to the format for any package to use, but it returns everything after the first . (not counting dots in directory names) as the extension. A package can of course choose to use a different parser but the advantage of using the built in one is that it is customised at the time the latex format is dumped to recognise the directory syntax of the host platform, so macs get a parser that handles :a:b:foo.c vms gets [a.b]foo.c and windows/unix get /a/b/foo.c David 10-Sep-1999 16:37:50-GMT,5353;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20006 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:37:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25428 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:10:08 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25425 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:10:01 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id JAA09914; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:09:55 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009832; Fri Sep 10 09:09:15 1999 Received: from azu-public1.aes.com ([159.4.100.109]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA391600; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:09:14 -0700 Received: by azu-public1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205E@azu-mail3.aes.com> From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: "'David Carlisle'" Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:09:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I follow your logic, I think. But I think we have different metrics for goodness, which is what leads us to different conclusions. You argue from the basis of "maximum cross platform portability", and make a pretty strong case on that basis (and an even stronger one related to the implications of spaces in filenames for TeX itself). However, I have a somewhat different definition of goodness which I will try to articulate (especially since it was at best implicit in my original comment). I would like to see platform independent systems produce the same results given the same input data (in this case file _content_), and allow me to use the native file syntax, especially for what I'll call "primary" input and output files. While I have no quarrel with keeping the files which are intended to be moved from system to system named by a least common denominator like "8+3" (in fact, I think it's a good idea -- the base file from which the file that started all of this is generated is named "refman.w"). The goal of this is to allow the user to write and produce documents according to the syntax of the particular host, without requiring it. I use three (or five, depending on how you count variants like Solaris & Irix) different operating systems regularly. For some projects being able to move document files back and forth is important, and I generally use an 8+3 filename for them. Other projects stay on one OS (usually Windows NT) and need to conform to naming patterns established for that OS. Especially on NT, those naming patterns sometimes take advantage of the "features" of that OS, and while renaming the files after completion works, it has implications for cross references -- which is where this whole thing started. -----Original Message----- From: David Carlisle [mailto:davidc@nag.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:41 AM To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior First, I think the desired behavior for platform independent systems is to accept any legal file name on the particular host. I'll grant you that is user desire rather than programmer ease, but there it is. since when did anyone give users what they desire:-) Actually maximum cross platform portability is ensured if the application _rejects_ any file that is illegal on any target platform. (which is a bit harsh, but still why using 8+3 monocase filenames is a good idea) Especially using filenames with spaces in tex is a bad idea as tex can't see them. You can of course put them in reference to a file (ignoring for now that spaces are not legal in urls) but if your tex macro package needs to access the file itself, eg to warn if it is not there in the case of the graphics package, then it simply can not be made to work for tex, tex's file handling just stops at spaces (whatever catcode). > I guess --- that is how NT appears to parse filenames :-) on systems with a bit more flexibility than tex it makes sense to start at that end and work backwards. If file ends with .gs, uncompress it and start again if (now) file ends in .ps, it is postscript... But in tex you can't set up a pipeline of filters to process the command so that doesn't work. However you can recognise certain fixed things, like .ps.gz and process them as a unit. so latex (me, actually) provides a filename parser \filename@parse built in to the format for any package to use, but it returns everything after the first . (not counting dots in directory names) as the extension. A package can of course choose to use a different parser but the advantage of using the built in one is that it is customised at the time the latex format is dumped to recognise the directory syntax of the host platform, so macs get a parser that handles :a:b:foo.c vms gets [a.b]foo.c and windows/unix get /a/b/foo.c David 10-Sep-1999 16:57:49-GMT,1963;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20631 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25673 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:45:17 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25670 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:45:12 -0400 Received: from remote142-107.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.107] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11PTh9-0006wW-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:38:39 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990910182609.007be410@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:26:09 +0200 To: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark), pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior In-Reply-To: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 07:41 10.09.99 -0700, Wroth, Mark wrote: >If I got a vote, I'd vote to make hyperref start with the last "." for >suffix processing, as Boris suggests. But it's not a major issue for me. hyperref does not have own code to parse the file name. It uses \filename@parse of the LaTeX kernel. So you have to write a _LaTeX_ bug report... But I agree with David that parsing for the last dot prevents the detection of file extensions such as `.ps.gz'. What about file names like `bar.foo.eps.gz'? The own solution, I see, is to implement an empiric list of known file extensions and to check the filename against this. Yours sincerely Heiko 10-Sep-1999 18:10:46-GMT,2398;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22718 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA26301 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:49:17 -0400 Received: from smtp.nordnet.fr (root@smtp.nordnet.fr [194.206.126.239]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26298 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:49:12 -0400 Received: from default (gate5-21.nordnet.fr [195.146.225.21]) by smtp.nordnet.fr (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA31606 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:49:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199909101749.TAA31606@smtp.nordnet.fr> Reply-To: <@nordnet.fr> From: "Christophe Declercq" To: Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:49:27 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > De : Pierre Desjardins > A : pdftex@tug.org > Objet : ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations available > Date : vendredi 10 septembre 1999 13:13 > > Hi to all > > Since I am (completly) new to Java implementation, I would like to ask some help from > you, as experts. > > To use PPower4 in a Win98 configuration, I downloaded the whole 20Meg package from > http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/ for win98 Well, if, as me, you don't intend to make Java development, you don't need all that. You just need the Java Runtime Enviroment, which provides in a few Megs a runtime environment (yes) and a command line tool named "jre" (it must be present in the JDK too). Put pp4.jar somewhere and call jre * with -cp option to show where pp4.jar is * with the class name de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 * with input and output arguments For example: (on one line...) jre -cp c:\tools\pp4.jar de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 infile.pdf outfile.pdf Klaus has put "ppower4.bat", the batch script I use, on his web page. It is just a few lines to hide all that behind a simple "ppower4 infile.pdf outfile.pdf". I hope that helps! Christophe cdeclercq@nordnet.fr 10-Sep-1999 18:21:34-GMT,1670;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23173 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26523 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:08:40 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (root@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26520 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:08:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20561 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:07:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior In-Reply-To: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205E@azu-mail3.aes.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is off-topic but I can't resist (and will be brief). On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Wroth, Mark wrote: > Other projects stay on one OS (usually Windows NT) and need > to conform to naming patterns established for that OS. > Especially on NT, those naming patterns sometimes take > advantage of the "features" of that OS... Is it _required_ by NT that one use daft filenames with spaces and multiple dots? *nix systems (OS) can of course handle such names, but there can be no expectation that all application programs will treat them kindly, under any OS. Allin Cottrell. 10-Sep-1999 18:48:00-GMT,1865;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23893 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26716 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:37:31 -0400 Received: from s1.optonline.net (s1.optonline.net [167.206.112.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26713 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:37:30 -0400 Received: from hunt108-140.optonline.net (IDENT:ats@hunt108-151.optonline.net [167.206.108.151]) by s1.optonline.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21754; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ats@localhost) by hunt108-140.optonline.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) id OAA19964; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:36:38 -0400 To: David Carlisle Cc: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior References: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> <199909101540.QAA20044@nag.co.uk> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Alan Shutko Date: 10 Sep 1999 14:36:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: David Carlisle's message of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:40:46 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070096 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.96) Emacs/20.3.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle writes: > Actually maximum cross platform portability is ensured if the > application _rejects_ any file that is illegal on any target platform. > (which is a bit harsh, but still why using 8+3 monocase filenames is a > good idea) I didn't think 8.3 worked on the Acorns? -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! Succumb to natural tendencies. Be hateful and boring. 10-Sep-1999 20:28:50-GMT,2389;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26567 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA27190 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:34:13 -0400 Received: from portal.aerojet.com (portal.aerojet.com [192.149.4.254]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA27187 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:34:10 -0400 Received: (smapu@localhost) by portal.aerojet.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id MAA20007; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:34:08 -0700 Received: from mail1-az.aerojet.com(159.4.1.8) by portal.aerojet.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019958; Fri Sep 10 12:32:55 1999 Received: from azu-public1.aes.com ([159.4.100.109]) by radon.aes.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA395432; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:32:55 -0700 Received: by azu-public1.aes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205F@azu-mail3.aes.com> From: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com (Wroth, Mark) To: "'Allin Cottrell'" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:32:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk No, it's not required; NT allows 8.3 style filenames (and in fact has a built in algorithm to convert long file names to 8.3). -----Original Message----- From: Allin Cottrell [mailto:cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:07 AM To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior This is off-topic but I can't resist (and will be brief). On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Wroth, Mark wrote: > Other projects stay on one OS (usually Windows NT) and need > to conform to naming patterns established for that OS. > Especially on NT, those naming patterns sometimes take > advantage of the "features" of that OS... Is it _required_ by NT that one use daft filenames with spaces and multiple dots? *nix systems (OS) can of course handle such names, but there can be no expectation that all application programs will treat them kindly, under any OS. Allin Cottrell. 10-Sep-1999 21:33:44-GMT,1463;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28331 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27534 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:00:17 -0400 Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27531 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:00:15 -0400 Received: from Sherbrooke-ppp15139.qc.sympatico.ca (Sherbrooke-ppp15139.qc.sympatico.ca [206.172.104.163]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17426 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:03:39 -0400 (EDT) From: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations availabl Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:59:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37de7140.14485138@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I found the cause of the error mentionned on my earlier postings. The file pp4.jar on the web page is slightly different (corrupted?) from the one on ctan ftp site. The file from ctan works just fine.. So that web page file should be changed?? Thanks to all. Pierre Desjardins Sherbrooke, Québec 10-Sep-1999 22:08:19-GMT,1506;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29252 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA28077 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:02:47 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28074 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:02:40 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id WAA02876; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:59:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:59:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199909102159.WAA02876@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: ats@acm.org CC: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (message from Alan Shutko on 10 Sep 1999 14:36:37 -0400) Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior References: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> <199909101540.QAA20044@nag.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I didn't think 8.3 worked on the Acorns? yes and no. the filesystem doesn't allow extensions but the tex (and / or latex wrapper) arrange that filenames of that form work locally article.cls ends up as cls.article, which is article in directory cls, but who cares so long as \input{article.cls} works :-) but a file with two . and spaces in the name would bomb... David 11-Sep-1999 1:32:26-GMT,1819;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04267 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA28658 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:29:03 -0400 Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28655 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:29:01 -0400 Received: from ppp11773.qc.bellglobal.com (ppp11773.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.149.6]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28246 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: pdf(la)tex post processor for presentations availabl Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: <37e3af36.30350031@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk FINALLY!! The jar file on the web page is ok. But beware that browsers like Netscape save files in format not always like the ones posted.. What it did here: The jar file from the web page was saved as a file with blank lines between the real ones. Here is a part of it Name: de/tu_darmstadt/sp/pp4/PPower4.class Digest-Algorithms: SHA MD5 SHA-Digest: PCNS1T3kCLtCbon/XSpDOc+sjOo= MD5-Digest: AjILed5+YhOqjh02oP8PcQ== Instead of the correct and working format Name: de/tu_darmstadt/sp/pp4/PPower4.class Digest-Algorithms: SHA MD5 SHA-Digest: PCNS1T3kCLtCbon/XSpDOc+sjOo= MD5-Digest: AjILed5+YhOqjh02oP8PcQ== This was Netscape's fault. Sorry for my "ignorance"... 11-Sep-1999 7:36:18-GMT,2134;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10668 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA29932 for pdftex-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:59:40 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29929 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:59:38 -0400 Received: from max98.public.ox.ac.uk (max98.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.98]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA24480; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:57:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:55:41 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: David Carlisle cc: ats@acm.org, MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior In-Reply-To: <199909102159.WAA02876@nag.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I understood that (assuming this is RiscOs on Acorns) that operating system and the hardware it ran on had been discontinued by the manufacturer a few months ago. Don't think we need to make files work on all obselete OSes.... On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, David Carlisle wrote: > > > I didn't think 8.3 worked on the Acorns? > yes and no. > the filesystem doesn't allow extensions but the tex (and / or latex > wrapper) arrange that filenames of that form work locally article.cls > ends up as cls.article, which is article in directory cls, but who cares > so long as > \input{article.cls} works :-) > > but a file with two . and spaces in the name would bomb... > > David > -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 11-Sep-1999 7:36:19-GMT,3112;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10571 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:58:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA29868 for pdftex-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:54:39 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29865 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:54:37 -0400 Received: from max98.public.ox.ac.uk (max98.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.98]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA24470; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:52:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:50:47 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: "Wroth, Mark" cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior In-Reply-To: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205F@azu-mail3.aes.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Wroth, Mark wrote: > No, it's not required; NT allows 8.3 style filenames (and in fact has a > built in algorithm to convert long file names to 8.3). It is much worse that that: NT often converts names that match 8+3 to upper case whether you like it or not, then downcases them itself. It is a right pain reading them under OSes that understand case. (Not even Win9x does that.) This is for me a major disincentive from using 8+3 names in lower case, as most of my files get transferred between OSes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Allin Cottrell [mailto:cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:07 AM > To: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: RE: hyper ref behavior > > > This is off-topic but I can't resist (and will be brief). > > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Wroth, Mark wrote: > > > Other projects stay on one OS (usually Windows NT) and need > > to conform to naming patterns established for that OS. > > Especially on NT, those naming patterns sometimes take > > advantage of the "features" of that OS... > > Is it _required_ by NT that one use daft filenames with spaces > and multiple dots? *nix systems (OS) can of course handle such > names, but there can be no expectation that all application > programs will treat them kindly, under any OS. Windows tries to force the applications by installing them in a directory with spaces in, and (Win 98) making the default working directory one with spaces it ("My Documents" in English). This does not always work, though, even for applications from Microsoft (at least one of which needs to be installed in a directory with a path of 8+3 names only). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 13-Sep-1999 7:19:44-GMT,1969;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04596 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA01824 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:58:11 -0400 Received: from tamarama.stanford.edu (tamarama.Stanford.EDU [36.127.0.107]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA01821 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:58:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (simon@localhost) by tamarama.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12731 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:58:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: tamarama.stanford.edu: simon owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Jackman X-Sender: simon@tamarama.stanford.edu To: pdfTeX Subject: image inclusion documentation In-Reply-To: <199909061447.QAA10901@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I upgraded to 0.14b and spent a frustrating couple of hours trying to figure out what happened to \pdfimage {myimage.pdf} After some tracking some threads on this list, I now know to use \pdfximage{myimage.pdf}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage Is there some documentation available for this? I realize this is all beta, but some help with these new (?) commands would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- Simon Jackman Simon Jackman, Asst Professor, ph: +1 (650) 723-4760 Dept of Political Science, fax: +1 (650) 723-1808 455 Serra Mall, Bldg 160, jackman@stanford.edu Stanford University, http://tamarama.stanford.edu/simon Stanford CA, 94305-2044, USA. 13-Sep-1999 7:26:19-GMT,2069;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04715 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:26:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA01884 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:09:16 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA01880 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:09:12 -0400 Received: from NEVERYON.ese-metz.fr (neveryon.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.220]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22496; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:09:17 +0200 To: David Carlisle Cc: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior References: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> <199909101540.QAA20044@nag.co.uk> From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 13 Sep 1999 09:10:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: David Carlisle's message of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:40:46 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.2 (Shinjuku) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle writes: > good idea) Especially using filenames with spaces in tex is a bad idea > as tex can't see them. You can of course put them in reference to a file > (ignoring for now that spaces are not legal in urls) but if your > tex macro package needs to access the file itself, eg to warn if it is > not there in the case of the graphics package, then it simply can not be > made to work for tex, tex's file handling just stops at spaces (whatever > catcode). Except if you patch TeX itself with some fine change file, as the one suggested by Stephan Haller on the tex-k mailing list ;-) TeX was able to put aside most of the system dependencies, and this one should be doable too. -- Fabrice Popineau 13-Sep-1999 8:02:13-GMT,1984;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05425 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA02398 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:48:41 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA02395 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:48:39 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25711; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:55:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id IAA10020; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:57:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909130657.IAA10020@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: David Carlisle Cc: MARK.WROTH@aerojet.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyper ref behavior In-Reply-To: <199909101540.QAA20044@nag.co.uk> References: <5C5DDF084661D311BDDB0008C7A4B13C15205A@azu-mail3.aes.com> <199909101540.QAA20044@nag.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » But in tex you can't set up a pipeline of filters to process the command » so that doesn't work. However you can recognise certain fixed things, » like .ps.gz and process them as a unit. However, you can tell new extensions to graphics by defining Rules for them (for instance, i had to face once Illustrator files named fig.1.88, fig.2.88,...), after eps2pdf, i declared: \@namedef{Gin@rule@.88.pdf}#1{{pdf}{.88.pdf}{#1}} (trying to return to the object of the list...) Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. 13-Sep-1999 9:24:53-GMT,2061;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07097 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA03135 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:05:17 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA03132 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:05:15 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.103]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6C5A; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:04:43 +0200 Message-ID: <37DCBDD5.AED4121D@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:03:17 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Jackman CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: image inclusion documentation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Simon Jackman wrote: > After some tracking some threads on this list, I now know to use > \pdfximage{myimage.pdf}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > > Is there some documentation available for this? I realize this is all > beta, but some help with these new (?) commands would be greatly > appreciated. www.pragma-ade.nl -> pdftex There are 4 versions of the manual there: A4, letter, A5 booklet and screen. In the file supp-pdf (part of the context distribution) \pdfimage is defined as macro as well as \pdfimages for alternate images. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Sep-1999 12:59:00-GMT,1858;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11352 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA04197 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:02 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04194 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:40:59 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11QVPk-0004HJ-00; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:40:56 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QVPk-0002oF-00; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:40:56 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14300.61655.286843.942484@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:40:55 +0100 (BST) To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: jackman@stanford.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: image inclusion documentation In-Reply-To: <37DCBDD5.AED4121D@wxs.nl> References: <37DCBDD5.AED4121D@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > > Is there some documentation available for this? I realize this is all > > beta, but some help with these new (?) commands would be greatly > > appreciated. > > www.pragma-ade.nl -> pdftex > > There are 4 versions of the manual there: A4, letter, A5 booklet and > screen. I just updated http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ with current versions of documentation files Sebastian 13-Sep-1999 20:56:29-GMT,1445;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25534 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:56:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06630 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:40:27 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06627 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:40:23 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08215; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:40:21 -0400 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: put vector fonts in ps document? From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 13 Sep 1999 16:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk If I make a pdf document with pdftex, I get the scalable outline (vector) fonts, so it looks great. If I do tex -> dvi -> ps -> pdf, I get bitmap (raster) fonts, and the pdf looks relatively bad. Is it possible to do it so that I get the scalable vector fonts in the ps document such that when I run ps2pdf (a ghostscript wrapper) I get nice-looking pdf output? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 13-Sep-1999 21:28:59-GMT,1931;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26515 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA06820 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:17:59 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06817 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:17:58 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FI000D01OHV9Z@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FI000BFWOHV8H@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: put vector fonts in ps document? In-reply-to: To: "Ed L. Cashin" Cc: pdfTeX mailing list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I believe you are SOL with gs 5.50 and earlier. I haven't gotten around to mucking with the betas of gs 5.80 (? correct number), which handles outline fonts (w.r.t PDF) *much* better. Good luck in your endeavors (endevours?)... Tom On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Ed L. Cashin wrote: > If I make a pdf document with pdftex, I get the scalable outline > (vector) fonts, so it looks great. If I do tex -> dvi -> ps -> pdf, I > get bitmap (raster) fonts, and the pdf looks relatively bad. > > Is it possible to do it so that I get the scalable vector fonts in the > ps document such that when I run ps2pdf (a ghostscript wrapper) I get > nice-looking pdf output? > > 13-Sep-1999 22:58:28-GMT,1468;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29134 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA07281 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:48:19 -0400 Received: from pele.santafe.edu (pele.santafe.edu [192.12.12.119]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07278 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:48:17 -0400 Received: from pele (pele [192.12.12.119]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17899; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:48:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Tim Carlson To: "Ed L. Cashin" cc: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: put vector fonts in ps document? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 13 Sep 1999, Ed L. Cashin wrote: > If I make a pdf document with pdftex, I get the scalable outline > (vector) fonts, so it looks great. If I do tex -> dvi -> ps -> pdf, I > get bitmap (raster) fonts, and the pdf looks relatively bad. This is simple, assuming you are using CM fonts goto CTAN/tex-archive/fonts/cm/ps-type1/bluesky and look through there Tim 14-Sep-1999 7:21:56-GMT,2166;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11098 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA08406 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:52:57 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA08403 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:52:46 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02372; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:52:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id IAA09788; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:54:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:54:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909140654.IAA09788@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Tim Carlson Cc: "Ed L. Cashin" , pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: put vector fonts in ps document? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: put vector fonts in ps document? », Tim Carlson écrit : « » On 13 Sep 1999, Ed L. Cashin wrote: » » > If I make a pdf document with pdftex, I get the scalable outline » > (vector) fonts, so it looks great. If I do tex -> dvi -> ps -> pdf, I » > get bitmap (raster) fonts, and the pdf looks relatively bad. » » This is simple, assuming you are using CM fonts » » goto CTAN/tex-archive/fonts/cm/ps-type1/bluesky » » and look through there He is obviously already using them in pdftex, maybe only the -Pcms switch to dvips is the question. Now, why the hell does this do on the pdftex list? 14-Sep-1999 8:12:49-GMT,2015;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12251 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA08809 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:56:41 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA08806 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:56:38 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.212]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAD20; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:56:06 +0200 Message-ID: <37DD7FF5.5DBB4FF9@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:51:33 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ed L. Cashin" CC: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: put vector fonts in ps document? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Ed L. Cashin" wrote: > If I make a pdf document with pdftex, I get the scalable outline > (vector) fonts, so it looks great. If I do tex -> dvi -> ps -> pdf, I > get bitmap (raster) fonts, and the pdf looks relatively bad. > > Is it possible to do it so that I get the scalable vector fonts in the > ps document such that when I run ps2pdf (a ghostscript wrapper) I get > nice-looking pdf output? Either use Distiller (version 3 will do) or try the GS beta. The next version of GS will do a better job. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 16-Sep-1999 19:10:44-GMT,3703;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09397 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA19538 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:52:11 -0400 Received: from fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at (d-250.vc-graz.ac.at [193.171.244.250]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19526 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:52:07 -0400 Received: from fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at (fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at [193.171.244.250]) by fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01727 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:51:24 +0200 Message-ID: <37E13C2C.79112F11@fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:51:24 +0200 From: Wolfgang Fiedler Organization: Graz University of Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Where are all those files?? HELP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello list ! Some friends switched from plain latex to pdftex, so i am forced to do the same. No problem.... I thought! Usually I compile programms myself rather installing precompiled binaries or even RPM's. The README file at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex/README says that i need the following files to compile pdftex: web-7.3.1.tar.gz web2c-7.3.1.tar.gz web2c-7.3.1-etex-2.1.tar.gz tetexsrc-supp.tgz pdftexsrc.tgz So far I only have the last two files. I grabbed the pdfTeX-FAQ.pdf from http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/ hoping to find a pointer to the web* files. No luck. Then I tried to find the remaining files with FTP search or with altavista.com . Still no luck. The most recent version I finally found was at ftp://ftp.tug.org/tex/web2c/ with version number 7.2 and not 7.3.1 as mentioned in the README or 7.3 as mentioned in the manual. OK, I can't find the required web* files so i decided to install the precompiled binary version for Linux. The pdfTeX-FAQ.pdf says nothing about installing the precompiled binaries. The manual is in Chapter 3.1 referring to ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex/latest which is a BROKEN LINK. Then I found the pdftex-linux.zip and extrated it into a temp dir. The following 5 files are in the archive: pdfetex pdfetex.pool pdftex pdftex.pool ttf2afm In Chapter 3.3 the manual says "Apart from the above--mentioned files, there is another zip archive (pdftexlib.zip) in the pdfT E X distribution which contains platform--independent files required for running pdfT E X:" But where the f is pdftexlib.zip ??? It is not in the directory on your FTP server, it is not inside the pdftex-linux.zip. No pointer either from the FAQ or the manual. I am NOT willing to search and endless number of postings on the mailing list archive for a simple installation!!! (but I AM willing to search if I have any problems during use) please update your documents, insert the (correct) links to the nessesary programms in your documentation and please send me the links to the web*-7.3.1* files and the pdftexlib.zip. It would be a lot more easy for starters. TIA and sorry for the long posting. regards Wolfgang (frustrated :-( ) -- *************************************************************** Wolfgang Fiedler email: wfiedler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at Student of Telematics at Graz University of Technology, Austria 16-Sep-1999 20:22:21-GMT,4652;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11425 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA19852 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:04:18 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken97.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19848 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:04:16 -0400 Received: from GALIANO (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21945; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:04:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Wolfgang Fiedler Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! References: <37E13C2C.79112F11@fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at> Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Attribution: JMK X-URL: From: Jody Klymak Date: 16 Sep 1999 13:04:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: Wolfgang Fiedler's message of "Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:51:24 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 87 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Wolfgang, The latest tetex (which had a RedHat RPM or at least a precompiled tar file last time I checked) includes a working out-of-the-box pdftex. Cheers, Jody >>>>> "WF" == Wolfgang Fiedler writes: WF> Hello list ! Some friends switched from plain latex to WF> pdftex, so i am forced to do the same. No problem.... I WF> thought! WF> Usually I compile programms myself rather installing WF> precompiled binaries or even RPM's. The README file at WF> ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex/README WF> says that i need the following files to compile pdftex: WF> web-7.3.1.tar.gz web2c-7.3.1.tar.gz WF> web2c-7.3.1-etex-2.1.tar.gz tetexsrc-supp.tgz pdftexsrc.tgz WF> So far I only have the last two files. I grabbed the WF> pdfTeX-FAQ.pdf from http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/ hoping WF> to find a pointer to the web* files. No luck. Then I tried to WF> find the remaining files with FTP search or with altavista.com WF> . Still no luck. WF> The most recent version I finally found was at WF> ftp://ftp.tug.org/tex/web2c/ with version number 7.2 and not WF> 7.3.1 as mentioned in the README or 7.3 as mentioned in the WF> manual. WF> OK, I can't find the required web* files so i decided to WF> install the precompiled binary version for Linux. WF> The pdfTeX-FAQ.pdf says nothing about installing the WF> precompiled binaries. The manual is in Chapter 3.1 referring WF> to ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex/latest WF> which is a BROKEN LINK. WF> Then I found the pdftex-linux.zip and extrated it into a temp WF> dir. WF> The following 5 files are in the archive: pdfetex pdfetex.pool WF> pdftex pdftex.pool ttf2afm WF> In Chapter 3.3 the manual says WF> "Apart from the above--mentioned files, there is WF> another zip archive (pdftexlib.zip) in the pdfT E X WF> distribution which contains platform--independent files WF> required for running pdfT E X:" WF> But where the f is pdftexlib.zip ??? It is not in the WF> directory on your FTP server, it is not inside the WF> pdftex-linux.zip. No pointer either from the FAQ or the WF> manual. WF> I am NOT willing to search and endless number of postings on WF> the mailing list archive for a simple installation!!! (but I WF> AM willing to search if I have any problems during use) WF> please update your documents, insert the (correct) links to WF> the nessesary programms in your documentation and please send WF> me the links to the web*-7.3.1* files and the pdftexlib.zip. WF> It would be a lot more easy for starters. WF> TIA and sorry for the long posting. WF> regards Wolfgang (frustrated :-( ) WF> -- WF> *************************************************************** WF> Wolfgang Fiedler email: wfiedler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at Student of WF> Telematics at Graz University of Technology, Austria -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu (206)-685-9080 http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ 17-Sep-1999 1:28:10-GMT,1583;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19691 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA21338 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:18:52 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (root@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21335 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:18:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22712 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:17:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 16 Sep 1999, Jody Klymak wrote: > The latest tetex (which had a RedHat RPM or at least a > precompiled tar file last time I checked) includes a working > out-of-the-box pdftex. That's all very well, but Wolfgang specifically said he prefers to compile the source himself rather than using out-of-the-box binaries or RPMs, and I can sympathize with that. If the Red Hat people can compile it, then presumably the sources must be available somewhere. The question is: where? Allin Cottrell. 17-Sep-1999 2:34:45-GMT,1585;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21347 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA21706 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:25:32 -0400 Received: from lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:sanders@lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.96.32]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21703 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:25:30 -0400 Received: (from sanders@localhost) by lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA18780; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:25:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:25:26 -0400 From: Michael Sanders To: Allin Cottrell Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! Message-ID: <19990916222526.A18771@umich.edu> Reply-To: Michael Sanders Mail-Followup-To: Allin Cottrell , pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The current web2c stuff is included in the teTeX-1.0 tarball. It built correctly on my Linux (RH 5.2 and 6.0) boxes. I prefer TE's standard setup to the way RH does things. -- (T.) Michael Sanders internet: sanders@umich.edu Physics Department URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders University of Michigan phone: 734/936-0799 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1120 FAX: 734/764-6843 17-Sep-1999 6:09:39-GMT,1779;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26475 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA22522 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:59:13 -0400 Received: from samba.intra.jablotron.cz (gw.jablotron.cz [194.228.41.250]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA22519 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:59:10 -0400 Received: from osoba (osoba.intra.jablotron.cz [192.168.250.38]) by samba.intra.jablotron.cz with SMTP id IAA25397 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:09:03 +0200 Message-ID: <002201bf00d1$c10d4360$26faa8c0@osoba.intra.jablotron.cz> From: "Jiri Osoba" To: Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:59:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >On 16 Sep 1999, Jody Klymak wrote: > >> The latest tetex (which had a RedHat RPM or at least a >> precompiled tar file last time I checked) includes a working >> out-of-the-box pdftex. > >That's all very well, but Wolfgang specifically said he prefers >to compile the source himself rather than using out-of-the-box >binaries or RPMs, and I can sympathize with that. If the Red >Hat people can compile it, then presumably the sources must be >available somewhere. The question is: where? ftp://ftp.tug.org/private/tex but it's some beta-version. Jiri. 17-Sep-1999 8:00:09-GMT,2058;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28713 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA22993 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:46:32 -0400 Received: from gatesrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (gatesrv.RZ.UniBw-Muenchen.de [137.193.11.27] (may be forged)) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA22984 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:46:22 -0400 Received: from kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (kommsrv [137.193.10.8] (may be forged)) by gatesrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22722 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ifen.BauV.UniBw-Muenchen.de (ifen1.BauV.UniBw-Muenchen.de [137.193.32.1]) by kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07551 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from unibw-muenchen.de (thorsten@b6pc26.BauV.UniBw-Muenchen.de [137.193.229.67]) by ifen.BauV.UniBw-Muenchen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16377 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:46:14 +0200 Message-ID: <37E1F1C5.DDC4AC67@unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:46:13 +0200 From: Thorsten =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=FCck?= Organization: UniBw Muenchen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Creating Thumbnails? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I did not found anything about thumbnails in the FAQ. It is possible to create pdf-files with thumbnails using pdftex or any other tool working on the created pdf-file? Thanks for any hints, Thorsten -- IfEN - Institut für Erdmessung und Navigation http://IfEN.BauV.UniBw-Muenchen.de Thorsten Lueck Tel.: +49 89 6004-3551 Fax : +49 89 6004-3019 17-Sep-1999 8:06:11-GMT,1977;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28843 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA23047 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:56:19 -0400 Received: from elch.de.uu.net (elch.de.uu.net [192.76.144.55]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA23044 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:56:18 -0400 Received: from gmx.de (pec-187.au3.b.uunet.de [149.228.254.187]) by elch.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id JAA18004; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:54:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37E1F3F1.72B8749@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:55:29 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thorsten =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=FCck?= CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Creating Thumbnails? References: <37E1F1C5.DDC4AC67@unibw-muenchen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I did not found anything about thumbnails in the FAQ. > It is possible to create pdf-files with thumbnails using pdftex or any > other tool working on the created pdf-file? Try: thumbpdf might be already installed or see: 1999/09/16 | 2080 | ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/thumbpdf.html 1999/09/16 | 902 | ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/thumbpdf.xml 1999/09/16 | 11117 | ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/pdftex/thumbpdf/readme.txt 1999/09/16 | 14802 | ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/pdftex/thumbpdf/thumbpdf.pl 1999/09/16 | 7447 | ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/pdftex/thumbpdf/thumbpdf.sty 1999/09/16 | 5655 | ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/pdftex/thumbpdf/thumbpdf.tex Tobias 17-Sep-1999 8:25:49-GMT,1938;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29270 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:25:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23221 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:13:43 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA23218 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:13:38 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 11Rt9B-0004rr-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:13:33 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 11Rt9A-000707-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:13:32 +0400 Received: from tobotras by david.service.jet.msk.su with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Rt9A-0002jg-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:13:32 +0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Boris Tobotras Date: 17 Sep 1999 12:13:32 +0400 In-Reply-To: Boris Tobotras's message of "10 Sep 1999 10:27:32 +0400" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Boris" == Boris Tobotras writes: Boris> can pdftex create a balloon notes in PDF? I mean, when user clicks Boris> on (or points to) reference like footnote number, separate small Boris> window with note text appears instead of moving main window point Boris> to reference target. Thanks, Excuse me, but can't somebody just say "No, that's absolutely impossible", and make me happy? :) Thanks, -- Best regards, -- Boris. 17-Sep-1999 9:54:19-GMT,2095;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00830 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA23886 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:16:17 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA23883 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:16:15 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Ru7n-0006YO-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:16:11 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Ru7n-0007GH-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:16:11 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14306.1750.922103.831194@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:16:06 +0100 (BST) To: tobotras@jet.msk.su Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Boris Tobotras writes: > can pdftex create a balloon notes in PDF? I mean, when user clicks > on (or points to) reference like footnote number, separate small > window with note text appears instead of moving main window point > to reference target. Thanks, > > Excuse me, but can't somebody just say "No, that's absolutely > impossible", and make me happy? :) Thanks, You can make notes, but that isn't what you want, I guess. You could do it with some clever things using forms, making them hidden/visible when you click on the reference, but I do not have an example. a simple test is "Has Hans Hagen done it"? if no, then its probably impossible. sebastia 17-Sep-1999 10:19:34-GMT,1845;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01292 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA24064 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:47:01 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA24061 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:46:57 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 11RubU-00059G-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:52 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 11RubT-0007VK-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:51 +0400 Received: from tobotras by david.service.jet.msk.su with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11RubT-0003UM-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:51 +0400 To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes References: <14306.1750.922103.831194@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Boris Tobotras Date: 17 Sep 1999 13:46:51 +0400 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:16:06 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Rahtz writes: Sebastian> a simple test is "Has Hans Hagen done it"? if no, then its Sebastian> probably impossible. Thanks :) -- Best regards, -- Boris. 17-Sep-1999 10:49:30-GMT,4866;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01816 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA24219 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:19:05 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA24216 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:19:03 -0400 Received: from default (michigan40-92.infoserv.uakron.edu [130.101.2.92]) by uakron.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA21122; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909171019.GAA21122@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:18:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Message-Boundary-14642 Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes Reply-to: story@uakron.edu CC: Boris Tobotras References: Boris Tobotras's message of "10 Sep 1999 10:27:32 +0400" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk --Message-Boundary-14642 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body On 17 Sep 99, at 12:13, Boris Tobotras wrote: > >>>>> "Boris" == Boris Tobotras writes: > > Boris> can pdftex create a balloon notes in PDF? I mean, when user clicks > Boris> on (or points to) reference like footnote number, separate small > Boris> window with note text appears instead of moving main window point > Boris> to reference target. Thanks, > > Excuse me, but can't somebody just say "No, that's absolutely > impossible", and make me happy? :) Thanks, > -- > Best regards, -- Boris. > See if the attached file. Maybe it is what you need. Modify to suite. (works for dvipsone,dvips and pdftex (version < 0.14) Regards, dps Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. --Message-Boundary-14642 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Text from file 'neuwirth.tex' \documentclass{article} \usepackage[pdftex,colorlinks,pdfpagemode=None]{hyperref} % This following works for pdftex, dvips and dvipsone option of hyperref \makeatletter % switch to activate the pdftex code \newif\ifeq@pdftex \eq@pdftexfalse % when using pdftex, change this % switch to \eq@pdftextrue % Link to unhide definition field % #1 = title of field with glossary definition of term % #2 = the term to be defined using a pop-up text field \def\defterm#1#2{% \ifeq@pdftex \leavevmode\hbox{\pdfannotlink attr {/Border [0 0 0 ]} user{ /Subtype /Link /A << /S /Hide /T (#1) /H false >> }\Hy@colorlink{\@linkcolor}#2\close@pdflink}% \else \pdf@rect{\textcolor{\@linkcolor}{#2}}\literalps@out{% [ /Rect [pdf@llx pdf@lly pdf@urx pdf@ury] /Border [ 0 0 0 ] /Action << /S /Hide /T (#1) /H false >> /Subtype /Link /ANN pdfmark}% \fi} % Text field that will contain definition of some term % #1 = title of the field % #2 = the text to appear in the field \def\HelpBox#1#2{% \ifeq@pdftex \leavevmode\pdfannotlink user{ /Subtype /Widget /T (#1) /FT /Tx /Ff 4096 /F 6 /BS << /W 1 /S /S >> /MK << /BC [ 0.9647 0.6274 0.7882 ] /BG [.7529 .7529 .7529] >> /AA << /X << /S /Hide /T (#1) /H true >> >> /DA (/Helv 10 Tf 0 0 1 rg) /DV (#2) }\MakeRadioField{1.25in}{3\baselineskip}% \pdfendlink \else \pdf@rect{\MakeRadioField{1.25in}{3\baselineskip}}% \literalps@out{% [ /Rect [pdf@llx pdf@lly pdf@urx pdf@ury] /T (#1) /FT /Tx /Ff 4096 /F 6 /BS << /W 1 /S /S >> /MK << /BC [ 0.9647 0.6274 0.7882 ] /BG [.7529 .7529 .7529] >> /AA << /X << /S /Hide /T (#1) /H true >> >> /DA (/Helv 10 Tf 0 0 1 rg) /DV (#2) /Contents (#2) /Subtype /Widget /ANN pdfmark}% \fi} \makeatother % We can combine these two together \def\DefTerm#1#2#3{\defterm{#1}{#3}\smash{\hbox to0pt{\hss\HelpBox{#1}{#2}\hss}}} \begin{document} \begin{Form} We will now study the \defterm{acoustics1}{acoustical} properties of fourier series. We will now study the \DefTerm{acoustics2}{acoustics: the physics of sound}{acoustical} properties of fourier series. \HelpBox{acoustics1}{acoustics: the physics of sound} \end{Form} \end{document} --Message-Boundary-14642-- 17-Sep-1999 11:12:14-GMT,2507;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02245 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA24573 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:56:15 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA24570 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:56:04 -0400 Received: from remote142-176.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.176] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Rvfz-0005R1-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:55:35 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990917124231.37c7e868@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:42:31 +0200 To: Boris Tobotras , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 12:13 17.09.1999 +0400, Boris Tobotras wrote: > can pdftex create a balloon notes in PDF? I mean, when user clicks > on (or points to) reference like footnote number, separate small > window with note text appears instead of moving main window point > to reference target. Thanks, Do you mean text annotations? An example: %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% \documentclass{article} \usepackage{hyperref} \makeatletter \@ifundefined{pdfstartlink}{% \def\pdfstartlink{\pdfannotlink} % versions < 0.14 }{} \newcommand{\remark}[2][]{% \mbox{% \pdfstringdef\x@title{#1}% \edef\r{\string\r}% \pdfstringdef\x@contents{#2}% \pdfstartlink width \linewidth height 3\baselineskip depth 0pt user {% /Subtype /Text /T (\x@title) /Contents (\x@contents) }% \pdfendlink }% } \makeatother \begin{document} \noindent Hello\remark[Hello World]{% Some text with umlauts: \"a\"o\"u\ss\r Next line and next words\r with guillemots: \guillemotleft bye\guillemotright } World! \end{document} %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% Yours sincerely Heiko 17-Sep-1999 11:16:22-GMT,1801;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02336 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA24482 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:50:03 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA24478 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:49:59 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 11RvaS-0005LR-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:49:52 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 11RvaS-00003l-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:49:52 +0400 Received: from tobotras by david.service.jet.msk.su with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11RvaR-0003X8-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:49:51 +0400 To: story@uakron.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes References: Boris Tobotras's message of "10 Sep 1999 10:27:32 +0400" <199909171019.GAA21122@uakron.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Boris Tobotras Date: 17 Sep 1999 14:49:51 +0400 In-Reply-To: "D. P. Story"'s message of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:18:58 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "D" == D P Story writes: D> See if the attached file. Maybe it is what you need. Modify to suite. D> (works for dvipsone,dvips and pdftex (version < 0.14) Thank you very much, this is close to my needs. -- Best regards, -- Boris. 17-Sep-1999 11:35:10-GMT,1801;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02730 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA24642 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:02:21 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24639 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:02:19 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10042 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:02:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id NAA07568; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:04:57 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:04:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909171104.NAA07568@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes In-Reply-To: <14306.1750.922103.831194@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <14306.1750.922103.831194@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » a simple test is "Has Hans Hagen done it"? ;-)))) » if no, then its probably impossible. I'm afraid the answer is: yes, quite some time ago (file 1998-001.pdf)... Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX 17-Sep-1999 12:22:22-GMT,2011;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03952 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA25060 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:45:59 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25056 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:45:57 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.152]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA10C1; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:45:21 +0200 Message-ID: <37E2296F.85014635@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:43:43 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boris Tobotras CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Boris Tobotras wrote: > Excuse me, but can't somebody just say "No, that's absolutely > impossible", and make me happy? :) Thanks, Yes, of course it can be done, for quite some time (Will that make you unhappy now?). But you need propper macros for doing so. It's a matter of manipulating widget annotations and providing the appropriate datastructures. See 1998-001.pdf and 1999-003.pdf at out site for examples of pop up things (tooltips, help into etc). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 17-Sep-1999 12:44:08-GMT,2046;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04393 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA25523 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:22:34 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA25519 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:22:30 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 11Rx21-0005dS-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:22:25 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 11Rx21-0000a5-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:22:25 +0400 Received: from tobotras by david.service.jet.msk.su with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Rx20-0003b6-00; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:22:24 +0400 To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: No thoughts? Re: Balloon notes References: <37E2296F.85014635@wxs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Boris Tobotras Date: 17 Sep 1999 16:22:24 +0400 In-Reply-To: Hans Hagen's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:43:43 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen writes: Hans> Yes, of course it can be done, for quite some time (Will that make Hans> you unhappy now?). But you need propper macros for doing so. It's a Hans> matter of manipulating widget annotations and providing the Hans> appropriate datastructures. Hans> See 1998-001.pdf and 1999-003.pdf at out site for examples of pop up Hans> things (tooltips, help into etc). Thank you very much, I will. -- Best regards, -- Boris. 17-Sep-1999 21:30:27-GMT,2502;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19142 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:30:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27320 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:18:00 -0400 Received: from fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at (d-250.vc-graz.ac.at [193.171.244.250]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27317 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:17:54 -0400 Received: from fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at (fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at [193.171.244.250]) by fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01202 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:17:03 +0200 Message-ID: <37E2AFCF.7EE349F7@fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:17:03 +0200 From: Wolfgang Fiedler Organization: Graz University of Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! References: <19990917102256.A1653@math.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Paul Vojta wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:17:52PM -0400, Allin Cottrell wrote: > > On 16 Sep 1999, Jody Klymak wrote: > > > > > The latest tetex (which had a RedHat RPM or at least a > > > precompiled tar file last time I checked) includes a working > > > out-of-the-box pdftex. > > > > That's all very well, but Wolfgang specifically said he prefers > > to compile the source himself rather than using out-of-the-box > > binaries or RPMs, and I can sympathize with that. If the Red > > Hat people can compile it, then presumably the sources must be > > available somewhere. The question is: where? > > Sources are available for teTeX: > > ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX-beta/ > > --Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu Hi! Thanks to all who answered my question. This was exactly what I was looking for. Perhaps this information should be added to the pdfTeX webpage and to the FAQ. regards wolfgang -- *************************************************************** Wolfgang Fiedler email: wfiedler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at Student of Telematics at Graz University of Technology, Austria 17-Sep-1999 21:54:58-GMT,1830;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19720 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27426 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:47:16 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA27423 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:47:14 -0400 From: tim@maths.tcd.ie Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Sep 1999 22:47:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! In-Reply-To: <19990916222526.A18771@umich.edu> from Michael Sanders at "Sep 16, 1999 10:25:26 pm" To: sanders@umich.edu Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:47:13 +0100 (BST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL49 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <199909172247.aa03328@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > The current web2c stuff is included in the teTeX-1.0 tarball. It built > correctly on my Linux (RH 5.2 and 6.0) boxes. > > I prefer TE's standard setup to the way RH does things. I do too. One trouble with doing this is that it becomes difficult to install related RPMs, eg klyx.rpm, which first of all complain that teTeX is not installed (ie as an RPM), and which secondly expect teTeX to be installed as in teTeX*.rpm, whereas I had changed $TEXMF for various reasons. Of course one can overcome the first problem with rpm --nodeps, but I'm slightly reluctant to do this in case some "deps" really are needed. This is probably somewhat off-topic, for which apologies. 17-Sep-1999 22:20:37-GMT,3554;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20279 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA27673 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:15:13 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken76.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA27670 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:15:11 -0400 Received: from GALIANO (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10321; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:15:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Wolfgang Fiedler Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! References: <19990917102256.A1653@math.berkeley.edu> <37E2AFCF.7EE349F7@fiedler.vc-graz.ac.at> X-Attribution: JMK X-URL: From: Jody Klymak Date: 17 Sep 1999 15:15:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: Wolfgang Fiedler's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:17:03 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 57 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Wolfgang, The FAQ depends on people writing questions and answers for it and sending them to me. I don't have time to track down individual files and check all the links. If someone notices an error in the FAQ, please send me an update, preferably in the format described in the FAQ. Cheers, Jody PS I've received maybe two of these in the last six months, hence the old date on the FAQ. Most of the questions in the FAQ are also now covered in the manual. >>>>> "WF" == Wolfgang Fiedler writes: WF> Paul Vojta wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:17:52PM -0400, Allin Cottrell >> wrote: > On 16 Sep 1999, Jody Klymak wrote: > > > The latest >> tetex (which had a RedHat RPM or at least a > > precompiled tar >> file last time I checked) includes a working > > out-of-the-box >> pdftex. > > That's all very well, but Wolfgang specifically >> said he prefers > to compile the source himself rather than >> using out-of-the-box > binaries or RPMs, and I can sympathize >> with that. If the Red > Hat people can compile it, then >> presumably the sources must be > available somewhere. The >> question is: where? >> >> Sources are available for teTeX: >> >> ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX-beta/ >> >> --Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu WF> Hi! WF> Thanks to all who answered my question. This was exactly what WF> I was looking for. WF> Perhaps this information should be added to the pdfTeX webpage WF> and to the FAQ. WF> regards wolfgang WF> -- WF> *************************************************************** WF> Wolfgang Fiedler email: wfiedler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at Student of WF> Telematics at Graz University of Technology, Austria -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu (206)-685-9080 http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ 17-Sep-1999 17:40:40-GMT,2103;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12730 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA26726 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:23:08 -0400 Received: from math.berkeley.edu (yuban-fddi.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26723 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:23:00 -0400 Received: from tashkent.berkeley.edu (tashkent.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.151]) by math.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15276; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from vojta@localhost) by tashkent.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id KAA01658; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:22:56 -0700 From: Paul Vojta To: Allin Cottrell Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Where are all those files?? HELP! Message-ID: <19990917102256.A1653@math.berkeley.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:17:52PM -0400, Allin Cottrell wrote: > On 16 Sep 1999, Jody Klymak wrote: > > > The latest tetex (which had a RedHat RPM or at least a > > precompiled tar file last time I checked) includes a working > > out-of-the-box pdftex. > > That's all very well, but Wolfgang specifically said he prefers > to compile the source himself rather than using out-of-the-box > binaries or RPMs, and I can sympathize with that. If the Red > Hat people can compile it, then presumably the sources must be > available somewhere. The question is: where? Sources are available for teTeX: ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX-beta/ --Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu 18-Sep-1999 9:28:27-GMT,1673;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03920 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:28:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA30793 for pdftex-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:19:46 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA30788 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:19:42 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25082 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:19:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37E35931.D10932B5@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:19:45 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: goto file link annotation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I can't get "goto file" to work with version .14b e.g. the file Hello world! \line{\pdfstartlink height 10 pt depth 10 pt attr{/C [.9 .9 0] /Border [0 0 3] } goto file {foo.pdf} page 1 {/FitH} xxxxxx \pdfendlink \hfil} \bye doesn't seem to work as I expected, whereas with version .13d the file Hello world! \line{\pdfannotlink height 10 pt depth 10 pt attr{/C [.9 .9 0] /Border [0 0 3] } goto file {foo.pdf} page 1 {/FitH} xxxxxx \pdfendlink \hfil} \bye does work. I'm using win95. Is something broken? Bob Howlett 18-Sep-1999 13:06:49-GMT,1803;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07679 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA31218 for pdftex-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:59:24 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA31215 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:59:21 -0400 Received: from remote142-17.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.17] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11SK4z-000354-00; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:59:04 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990918145704.0d8f2b14@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:57:04 +0200 To: Robert Howlett , pdfTeX mailing list From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: goto file link annotation In-Reply-To: <37E35931.D10932B5@mail.usyd.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 19:19 18.09.1999 +1000, Robert Howlett wrote: >\line{\pdfstartlink >height 10 pt depth 10 pt >attr{/C [.9 .9 0] /Border [0 0 3] } >goto file {foo.pdf} page 1 {/FitH} xxxxxx >\pdfendlink >\hfil} >doesn't seem to work as I expected, [...] In the .pdf file parentheses around the file name are missing, try: ... goto file {(foo.pdf)} ... I think the cause for that change is, that the file specification can also be a dictionary: ... goto file {<< /FS /URL /F (foo.pdf) >>} ... Yours sincerely Heiko 19-Sep-1999 4:08:01-GMT,2550;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25033 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA00425 for pdftex-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:54:50 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00422 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:54:45 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10723 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:54:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37E430FE.BBDA134F@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:40:31 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: pdftex manual: syntax for goto file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In the pdftex manual on p.16 the syntax rules say -> | | | | [] .... This was confusing me, but I realize now that what it should say (I think) is -> | | | [] | [] .... One other minor point concerning the manual: on page 17 it suggests the code \ifx\undefined\pdfoutput \newcount\pdfoutput\fi For plain pdftex at least this should be \ifx\undefined\pdfoutput \csname newcount\endcsname\pdfoutput\fi since \newcount is \outer in plain. Bob Howlett PS Thanks to Heiko for fixing my other problem with goto: Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > > At 19:19 18.09.1999 +1000, Robert Howlett wrote: > >\line{\pdfstartlink > >height 10 pt depth 10 pt > >attr{/C [.9 .9 0] /Border [0 0 3] } > >goto file {foo.pdf} page 1 {/FitH} xxxxxx > >\pdfendlink > >\hfil} > > >doesn't seem to work as I expected, [...] > > In the .pdf file parentheses around the file name are missing, try: > ... goto file {(foo.pdf)} ... > > I think the cause for that change is, that the file specification > can also be a dictionary: > ... goto file {<< /FS /URL /F (foo.pdf) >>} ... > > Yours sincerely > Heiko 20-Sep-1999 7:44:25-GMT,2450;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26691 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA08085 for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:28:45 -0400 Received: from csnhp.csn.es (csnhp.csn.es [192.112.247.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA08082 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:28:41 -0400 Received: from pcx05.csn.es (ema@pcx05 [193.144.29.134]) by csnhp.csn.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA29734 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:58:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:36:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Enrique Melendez Asensio Reply-To: Enrique Melendez Asensio To: pdfTeX Subject: Questions: (1) color; (2) hyperref vs. foils Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I have two questions concernong pdTeX/hyperref and pdfTeX/color, so I mege them here. 1. \pagecolor does not seem to work with pdfTeX, whereas \color and \textcolor do work. Is there a deep-rooted reason why \pagecolor would not work? The error message talks about ---------------------------- ! Undefined control sequence. ... \color @Melon\endcsname \set@color ---------------------------- but the color Melon is defined. 2. I'm having some trouble with hyperref interaction with the foils package, specifically in that \rotatefoilhead doesn't work properly (i.e. does not rotate the page). This can be traced down to both hyperref and foils using \@begindvi so that hyperref's \@begindvi overwrites foils'. While foils first checks the validity of \@begindvi (by means of a \CheckCommand*), hyperref does not, so that the interaction goes unnoticed. In fact, the problem arises irrespective of my using pdfTeX, although I first noticed it when preparing a presentation with pdfTeX. When I looked at it more closely, I found foils apparently uses a postscript \special to rotate the page, so I would also like to know whether it would be possible for a PDF file to display portrait as well as landscape pages (maybe by some PDF low-level macro) so that I can substitute the \special by the appropriate command. Thank you, Enrique Melendez 20-Sep-1999 10:24:27-GMT,2235;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29619 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA10087 for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:50:49 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10084 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:50:47 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11T05e-0003WR-00; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:50:30 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11T05e-0000gs-00; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:50:30 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14310.4238.319490.970067@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:46:38 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: basso@lim.univ-mrs.fr Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Pierre Basso ] In-Reply-To: <199909200918.FAA09970@tug.org> References: <199909200918.FAA09970@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I wish include some pdf pictures and I use pdftex with: > \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} in preamble > > \includegraphics{fig.pdf} in the text > > I create my pdf figure in two steps: > 1) I create a ps file from a small latex file including some pstricks > commands; > 2) this ps file is converted into pdf by means of dvips, or gs. > > When I launch pdftex, my pdf file is correctly included in the text. The > > problem occurs because the pdf file contains the conversion of whole a this is what the script called "epstopdf" (http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/) is for. It puts in the right instructions for eg GS to make a PDF file the size of the BoundingBox only. if you have used dvips earlier, ensure you use the -E option, to put the right BoundingBox in the .ps file sebastian 20-Sep-1999 11:12:40-GMT,2184;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00586 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA10264 for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:53:55 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA10258 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:53:51 -0400 From: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Received: from www-mail.usyd.edu.au (lorica [129.78.64.15]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24506; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:52:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:52:06 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199909201052.UAA24506@lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au> To: Enrique Melendez Asensio , pdfTeX Subject: Re: Questions: (2) hyperref vs. foils X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan v2.0 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk \pdfpageattr{/Rotate 90} at the appropriate place will rotate a page. (But make sure it is set back to \pdfpageattr{} or whatever by the next page.) Bob Howlett ------------- Enrique Melendez Asensio wrote: ... 2. I'm having some trouble with hyperref interaction with the foils package, specifically in that \rotatefoilhead doesn't work properly (i.e. does not rotate the page). This can be traced down to both hyperref and foils using \@begindvi so that hyperref's \@begindvi overwrites foils'. While foils first checks the validity of \@begindvi (by means of a \CheckCommand*), hyperref does not, so that the interaction goes unnoticed. In fact, the problem arises irrespective of my using pdfTeX, although I first noticed it when preparing a presentation with pdfTeX. When I looked at it more closely, I found foils apparently uses a postscript \special to rotate the page, so I would also like to know whether it would be possible for a PDF file to display portrait as well as landscape pages (maybe by some PDF low-level macro) so that I can substitute the \special by the appropriate command. Thank you, Enrique Melendez 21-Sep-1999 9:02:01-GMT,2685;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03567 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA15348 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:36:36 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15345 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:36:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA03630; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:41:56 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:41:56 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: pdftex@tug.org cc: thanh@fi.muni.cz Subject: xform bug in linux version Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id EAA15346 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Thanh and pdftex-addicts, I have discovered a new bug in the current pdftex v. 0.14b that affects very badly form managing. The problem appears both with the precompiled linux binaries provided by Thanh and with binaries compiled in my own linux box. The previous version that I was using was 0.13d did not show this problem. The problem is that pdftex crashes with a segmentation fault when you process a file where you have defined more than one xform, and you access to any but the last. The attached simple test file results in the following output: This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14b (Web2C 7.3.1) (bugforms.tex{/usr/local/teTeX/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg} Babel and hyphenation patterns for english, french, spanish, loaded. [1{/usr/local/teTeX/texmf/dvips/config/pdftex.map}{/usr/local/teTeX/texmf/pdfte x/config/test.map}Segmentation fault Regards, Ricardo S. Cármenes. % ------- test file ------------- \setbox0=\vbox{FORM 1} \pdfxform0 \xdef\Fone{\the\pdflastxform} \setbox0=\vbox{FORM 2} \pdfxform0 \xdef\Ftwo{\the\pdflastxform} some text, some more text. \pdfrefxform\Fone some text, some more text. \bye ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 ============================================================== 21-Sep-1999 15:44:49-GMT,3881;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12363 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA16354 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:05:32 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16351 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:05:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA03935; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:11:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:11:31 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: pdftex@tug.org cc: thanh@fi.muni.cz Subject: problem with color managent in pdftex 0.14b Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id LAA16352 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Thanh, Yet another unexpected behaviour in pdftex 0.14b to report. This concerns color management and there are two troubles that did not appear in pdftex 0.13d: These affect (at least) \hrule and \vrule objects, that I will call for shortness "\rules". By default, \rules appear on black over a white background. Modifying the text color does not modify how \rules appear, you need to change the background color instead, which is totally wrong. If you do not restore the previous background color, subsequent \rules appear in the previously set background color for the rest of the page, but if you restore the background color to white (the default background), then subsequent rules are not visible (because they are the same color as the background). This does not happens only with the \rules that you use explicitly, but also with those used implicitly (for example in footnotes separators, or using the standard \underline macro), making this behaviour quite annoying. The attached simple test file clearly shows the missbehaviours. Regards, Ricardo. % -------- test file --------------- \pdfcompresslevel=0 \def\PDFbackcolor#1{\pdfliteral{#1 K}} \def\PDFforecolor#1{\pdfliteral{#1 k}} \def\BlackAndWhite{\PDFbackcolor{0 0 0 0}\PDFforecolor{0 0 0 1}} \def\White{0 0 0 0} \def\Black{0 0 0 1} \def\Red{0 1 1 0} \def\Yellow{0 0 1 0} \def\Vrule{\PDFforecolor{\Red}\vrule width 1in height 5pt\PDFforecolor{\Black}} \def\forecolorrule{\PDFforecolor{\Red}\Vrule\PDFforecolor{\Black}} \def\backcolorrule{\PDFbackcolor{\Yellow}\Vrule\PDFbackcolor{\White}} \def\colorrule{\PDFforecolor{\Red}\PDFbackcolor{\Yellow}\Vrule} \def\uline#1{% \setbox0=\hbox{#1}% \rlap{\vrule width \wd0 height 0pt depth 0.4pt}% \box0\relax} % as an alternative, you may try this: % \def\uline#1{$\underline{\hbox{#1}}$} This is correctly \uline{underlined} using pdftex. Now we try to put a red rule \forecolorrule\ here. Still correctly \uline{underlined}, but the rule above was not red. Now we put a background-yellow rule \backcolorrule\ here. But this is NOT correctly \uline{underlined} any more! \vfill\eject This is correctly \uline{underlined} again. Now we put a foreground-red+background-yellow rule \colorrule\ here. The text inherits the foreground and the \uline{underlined} the background color! \bye ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 ============================================================== 21-Sep-1999 19:49:42-GMT,1651;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19213 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA17687 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:35:47 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17684 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:35:46 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FIF00G01D3K2N@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FIF00DFKD3JW8@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Concerning section numbering (using an AMS class) To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I had some problems with thngs like 1em showin up in my bookmarks. I was using an AMS class (surprise, surprise!), which overrides the vanilla LaTeX version of \section(*) and \subsection(*). The fix for me was to add the lines: \let\ignorespace\relax \let\quad\space in the appropriate places in the definition of \pdfstringdef. Please consider adding this to the hyperref base code. Thanks, Tommy Boy (feeling a tad silly today) 21-Sep-1999 21:02:53-GMT,5807;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21206 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18043 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:49:31 -0400 Received: from localgw.inet.cz (brno-l.router.inet.cz [62.229.34.226]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18040 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:49:23 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (IDENT:root@dialup4.inet.cz [62.229.34.212]) by localgw.inet.cz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA10943 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:53:41 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA03242; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:43:08 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: gs 5.10 and text annotations X-Operating-System: Linux 2.3.18 on Intel, Linux 2.2.10 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-Phone: +420 5 41242414 ext. 31 X-Spam: No unsolicited e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicited e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 From: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik ml.) Date: 21 Sep 1999 22:43:06 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 106 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id QAA18041 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I'm writing some presentation using pdfTeX (from teTeX-latest release, not beta) and I have some problems with text annotations and gs (well, I'd like to have thumbnails there and do not want to use Acrobat to add them, so I am using thumbpdf). Software: pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.13d Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) I have tracked it down to this small example: --- cut here --- \nopagenumbers \pdfannot {% /Subtype /Text /Contents (Úvodem dovolte, abych se Vás zde pøítomných v sále zeptal na to, co si vlastnì myslíte, ¾e Linux je. Linux je toti¾ v poslední dobì velmi pou¾ívaným slovem a napø. v mnoha tiskovinách nebo na síti Internet) } \bye --- cut here --- SnowWhite:/home/pavel/Tmp$ pdftex example.tex This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) (example.tex[/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg] Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n ohyphenation, loaded. [1] ) Output written on example.pdf (1 page, 1029 bytes). Transcript written on example.log. pdfTeXing is ok. Acroread shows the annotation, but gs failed to even process the file correctly (I know it can not display annotations... :-): SnowWhite:/home/pavel/Tmp$ gs example.pdf Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) Copyright (C) 1997 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. Processing pages 1 through 1. Page 1 Error: /ioerror in --closefile-- Operand stack: --dict:6/6-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- Rect --nostringval-- Contents (\332vodem dovolte, abych se V\341s zde p\370\355tomn\375ch v s\341le zeptal na to, co si vlastn\354 mysl\355te, \276e Linux je. Linux je toti\276 v posledn\355 dob\354 velmi pou\276\355van\375m slovem a nap\370. v mnoha tiskovin\341ch nebo na s\355ti Internet) ANN --nostringval-- 3 --nostringval-- 3 (\332vodem dovolte, abych se V\341s zde p\370\355tomn\375ch v s\341le zeptal na to, co si vlastn\354 mysl\355te, \276e Linux je. Linux je toti\276 v posledn\355 dob\354 velmi pou\276\355van\375m slovem a nap\370. v mnoha tiskovin\341ch nebo na s\355ti Internet) --nostringval-- ... Well, try different input file (I will just remove one line of text in Contents (it does not matter what line though)... nothing more). Everything is ok. gs is ok, acroread is ok, I'm ok. I know there are ISO-8859-2 characters, but in the second example too... Can you help me with this stuff or is it some bug in gs? I can not try the last version of gs now, sorry. PDF is here (it is small): begin 664 example.pdf M)5!$1BTQ+C(*-"`P(&]B:B`\/`HO3&5N9W1H(#4@,"!2"B]&:6QT97(@+T9L M871E1&5C;V1E"CX^"G-T7!E("]086=E"B]#;VYT M96YT"!;,"`P(#4Y M-2XR-S,@.#0Q+C@X-UT*+U!A'0@+T-O;G1E;G1S("C:=F]D96T@9&]V;VQT92P@86)Y8V@@')E9@HP(#D*,#`P,#`P,#`P,"`V-34S-2!F(`HP,#`P,#`P M,C,W(#`P,#`P(&X@"C`P,#`P,#`U,S4@,#`P,#`@;B`*,#`P,#`P,#$P-R`P M,#`P,"!N(`HP,#`P,#`P,#`Y(#`P,#`P(&X@"C`P,#`P,#`P.3`@,#`P,#`@ M;B`*,#`P,#`P,#4W-"`P,#`P,"!N(`HP,#`P,#`P-C,Q(#`P,#`P(&X@"C`P M,#`P,#`V.#`@,#`P,#`@;B`*=')A:6QE<@H\/`HO4VEZ92`Y"B]2;V]T(#<@ G,"!2"B]);F9O(#@@,"!2"CX^"G-T87)T>')E9@HW-S0*)25%3T8* ` end -- Pavel Janík ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz 21-Sep-1999 16:43:44-GMT,2868;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13967 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA16582 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:17:56 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16579 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 12:17:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA04003; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:23:04 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:23:04 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: pdftex@tug.org cc: thanh@fi.muni.cz Subject: More about 0.14b bugs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id MAA16580 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Sorry, I found a third bug, apparently, when trying to runt thumbpdf on a pdf file generated using pdftex 0.14b. If the file contains only cm fonts, then no problem, but if the file is using the standard PS acrobat fonts (Times etc), then thumbpdf crashes (while loading the fonts I think). To be more precise, it is ghostscript that crashes. I am using GS 5.83. The same file generated using pdftex 0.14a (linux binary of July 13) is OK for GS. I also tried pdftex 0.14a with the two previously reported bugs: the color-management bug was NOT present in 0.14a, but the xform-management bug was ALREADY present. I hope this can help solve the problems. I have the feeling that Thanh has introduced too many changes simultaneously for pdftex 0.14[ab] and that a number of bugs have found its way ... Sorry for finding so many troubles ! Regards, and good luck ! Ricardo. ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 << Notre manie enseignante et pédantesque est toujours d'apprendre aux enfants ce qu'ils apprendraient beaucoup mieux d'eux-mêmes, et d'oublier ce que nous aurions pu seuls leurs enseigner. >> (" Nuestra mania enseñante y pedantesca consiste siempre en enseñar a los niños lo que aprenderían mucho mejor por si mismos, y olvidar lo que sólo nosotros podríamos haberles enseñado. ") Jean-Jacques Rousseau (Émile ou de l'éducation). ============================================================== 21-Sep-1999 21:58:32-GMT,5419;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22715 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:58:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA18321 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:44:03 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18318 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:43:56 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FIF00201J156P@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FIF000ARJ15HL@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:43:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Concerning section numbering (using an AMS class) In-reply-to: To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_3AAbf5dzI9KOHIMhzlw2mQ)" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --Boundary_(ID_3AAbf5dzI9KOHIMhzlw2mQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Heiko, First, v 6.66e of hyperref fixed the problems I reported. But I now have another problem. Attached is a simple LaTeX file and the corresponding .out file. Notice how the bookmark text for the References section has a lone `.' in front of it. I am certain that the "problem" is how amsart.cls overloads LaTeX's \section command. What to do, I don't know... 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X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 From: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik ml.) Date: 22 Sep 1999 10:28:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: Heiko Oberdiek's message of "Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:44:27 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id EAA23287 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Heiko Oberdiek Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:44:27 +0200 (MET DST) Hi, > > Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) > Use the latest ghostscript version 5.50 or the current > test version 5.93 that can handle type1 fonts. thank you for your answer. Did you noticed that the second example worked? There were no Type1 fonts... Look at generated PDF. > * You have to use the PDFDocEncoding (a superset of ISOLatin1) or Unicode. > If you use eight bit characters directly, you have to ensure that > they correctly go to the output, without expanding by TeX to any > garbage (setting the correct catcodes or protecting with \string). It's ok, look at PDF. I will try latest gs. -- Pavel Janík ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz 22-Sep-1999 9:41:42-GMT,2326;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08221 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 03:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23335 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:57:29 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23332 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 04:57:27 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24950; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:57:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01716; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:57:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909220857.KAA01716@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex manual: syntax for goto file In-Reply-To: <37E430FE.BBDA134F@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Sep 19, 99 10:40:31 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:57:23 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > In the pdftex manual on p.16 the syntax rules say > > -> | | > | > | [] > .... > > This was confusing me, but I realize now that what it should say > (I think) is > > -> | | > | > [] | > [] .... the syntax is ok, as is not allowed with at all. > One other minor point concerning the manual: on page 17 it suggests > the code > > \ifx\undefined\pdfoutput \newcount\pdfoutput\fi > > For plain pdftex at least this should be > > \ifx\undefined\pdfoutput \csname newcount\endcsname\pdfoutput\fi > > since \newcount is \outer in plain. thanks for the note, we will update it together with separating for from \pdfximage Thanh 22-Sep-1999 14:03:05-GMT,2180;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13335 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA25245 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:34:50 -0400 Received: from localgw.inet.cz (brno-l.router.inet.cz [62.229.34.226]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25242 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:34:48 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (bigpenguin.inet.cz [62.229.34.227]) by localgw.inet.cz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA29905; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:39:33 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03724; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:31:20 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org CC: koala@fi.muni.cz Subject: Multi-paragraph anotations? Howto? X-Operating-System: Linux 2.3.18 on Intel, Linux 2.2.10 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-Phone: +420 5 41242414 ext. 31 X-Spam: No unsolicited e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicited e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 From: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik ml.) Date: 22 Sep 1999 15:31:17 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id JAA25243 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, how can I create multi-paragraph annotations in pdfTeX? See page 88 of PDF 1.2 specification. There is something like TeX does - separate paragraphs by carriage returns . But how do I put newline to PDF without converting it into ^M, \par or similar stuff? What I'm trying to do is: \nopagenumbers \pdfannot {% /Subtype /Text /Contents (Hi This is multi-paragraph annotation.)} \bye How can I do this in plain? Is it possible using hyperref in LaTeX? -- Pavel Janík ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz 22-Sep-1999 15:06:50-GMT,2111;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15076 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25481 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:39:12 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25478 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:39:08 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02200 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:39:02 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37E8EA16.3CB64C5F@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:39:18 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex manual: syntax for goto file References: <199909220857.KAA01716@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > > In the pdftex manual on p.16 the syntax rules say > > > > -> | | > > | > > | [] > > .... > > > > This was confusing me, but I realize now that what it should say > > (I think) is > > > > -> | | > > | > > [] | > > [] .... > > the syntax is ok, as is not allowed with at all. > But from my attempts to use it, it seems to me that a cannot be . I get the error message "identifier type missing". So I still believe there is something wrong with the syntax rules there --- is it just that the alternative needs to be removed? Bob 22-Sep-1999 15:53:00-GMT,2234;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16247 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25716 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:33:32 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25713 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:33:30 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11ToOb-00078v-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:33:25 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ToOb-0006pL-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:33:25 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14313.1005.832493.494265@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:29:33 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Concerning section numbering (using an AMS class) In-Reply-To: <199909220720.DAA22157@tug.org> References: <199909220720.DAA22157@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk passed on for Heiko On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > Notice how the bookmark text for the References section has a lone `.' > in front of it. I am certain that the "problem" is how amsart.cls > overloads LaTeX's \section command. What to do, I don't know... A quick and dirty workaround: \pdfstringdefDisableCommands{% \renewcommand\tocsection[3]{% \ifHy@bookmarksnumbered \thesection\ \fi #3% }% % similar for \tocsubsection, ... } If you want to have numbered sections, use then option bookmarksnumbered. Starred section, however, are not detected by this quick fix, so disable the option before \begin{thebibliography}: \hypersetup{bookmarksnumbered=false} Yours sincerely Heiko 22-Sep-1999 15:54:25-GMT,2421;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16427 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25732 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:34:04 -0400 Received: from localgw.inet.cz (brno-l.router.inet.cz [62.229.34.226]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25727 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:34:01 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (bigpenguin.inet.cz [62.229.34.227]) by localgw.inet.cz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA00829; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:38:47 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA03834; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:30:33 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org CC: thanh@fi.muni.cz CC: koala@fi.muni.cz Subject: Multi-paragraph anotations? Howto? II. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.3.18 on Intel, Linux 2.2.10 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-Phone: +420 5 41242414 ext. 31 X-Spam: No unsolicited e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicited e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 From: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik ml.) Date: 22 Sep 1999 17:30:32 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id LAA25729 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, well, the subject should be changed to "Multi-paragraph anotations? How to be portable?"... The correct solution is \nopagenumbers \obeylines{ \pdfannot {% /Subtype /Text /Contents (Hi This is annotation.)}} \bye But only for Acrobat/Linux. Hmm, I have tested the same code but I use Acrobat 4.0 on WindowsNT, so no success for me. You can easily see the difference: Windows: ftp://ftp.inet.cz/pub/People/Pavel.Janik/pdfTeX/image1.gif Linux: ftp://ftp.inet.cz/pub/People/Pavel.Janik/pdfTeX/image2.gif Original PDF file is ftp://ftp.inet.cz/pub/People/Pavel.Janik/pdfTeX/example3.pdf I (and of course Ondrej Vacha) think that there is something bad with pdfTeX there... -- Pavel Janík ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz 22-Sep-1999 16:01:18-GMT,2975;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16670 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25711 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:33:25 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25707 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:32:46 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11ToNn-00075q-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:32:35 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ToNn-0003M3-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:32:35 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <14313.956.405575.929388@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:28:44 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: gs 5.10 and text annotations In-Reply-To: <199909220644.CAA21716@tug.org> References: <199909220644.CAA21716@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by tug.org id LAA25709 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk passed on for Heiko ------------------------------------------------------------------ On 21 Sep 1999, Pavel Janik ml. wrote: > Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) Use the latest ghostscript version 5.50 or the current test version 5.93 that can handle type1 fonts. > \pdfannot {% > /Subtype /Text > /Contents (Úvodem dovolte, abych se Vás zde pøítomných v sále zeptal na to, > co si vlastnì myslíte, ¾e Linux je. Linux je toti¾ v poslední > dobì velmi pou¾ívaným slovem a napø. v mnoha tiskovinách nebo na > síti Internet) > } >[...] > Well, try different input file (I will just remove one line of text in > Contents (it does not matter what line though)... nothing more). Everything is > ok. gs is ok, acroread is ok, I'm ok. I know there are ISO-8859-2 characters, > but in the second example too... Can you help me with this stuff or is it some > bug in gs? I can not try the last version of gs now, sorry. * There are problems with older ghostscript versions (see above). * You have to use the PDFDocEncoding (a superset of ISOLatin1) or Unicode. If you use eight bit characters directly, you have to ensure that they correctly go to the output, without expanding by TeX to any garbage (setting the correct catcodes or protecting with \string). If you use a LaTeX format with hyperref you can use \pdfstringdef: \pdfstringdef\x{Text bla bla} \pdfannot{... /Contents (\x)} Yours sincerely Heiko 22-Sep-1999 16:26:35-GMT,3034;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17448 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25949 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:54:21 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25946 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:54:19 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14855; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:54:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02635; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:54:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909221554.RAA02635@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: More about 0.14b bugs In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= at "Sep 21, 99 05:23:04 pm" To: carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?=) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:54:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org, thanh@fi.muni.cz X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Richardo, thanks for the bug reports. I looked at them but didn't solve all of them yet. > Sorry, I found a third bug, apparently, when trying to runt thumbpdf > on a pdf file generated using pdftex 0.14b. > > If the file contains only cm fonts, then no problem, but > if the file is using the standard PS acrobat fonts (Times etc), > then thumbpdf crashes (while loading the fonts I think). > > To be more precise, it is ghostscript that crashes. I am using > GS 5.83. > > The same file generated using pdftex 0.14a (linux binary of > July 13) is OK for GS. can you please send me the sample file? > I also tried pdftex 0.14a with the two previously reported > bugs: the color-management bug was NOT present in 0.14a, > but the xform-management bug was ALREADY present. > > I hope this can help solve the problems. I have the feeling > that Thanh has introduced too many changes simultaneously > for pdftex 0.14[ab] and that a number of bugs have found its > way ... I fixed the bug with xform. Concerning color and rules, things are worse. We (I and Hans Hagen) tried various ways how to get rules that look "right", but none is perfect. In previous version they are drawn by filling, and in 0.14b by stroking, thus the problem with coloring rules. (BTW, your test file has wrong definition for setting foreground and background color, they should be reverse). The safe way to get correct color for rules is settting both color for stroking and filling. It sounds a bit uncomfortable, but I don't know better solution, sorry. Regards, Thanh 22-Sep-1999 19:27:52-GMT,2109;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22974 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA27539 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:02:41 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27536 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:02:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Trez-0002rd-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:02:33 +0100 Received: from max60.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.60] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Trey-0002wa-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:02:33 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14313.10130.441442.985168@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:01:38 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: problem with pdflatex + pdfscreen + metapost In-Reply-To: <199909221629.MAA26242@tug.org> References: <199909221629.MAA26242@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dennis Roegel, not me. sebastian ***************************************** I am using pdfscreen and I get an error when including a metapost file : [27] [28] [MP to PDF dt-fig-metapost.1] (dt-fig-metapost.1 ! Undefined control sequence. \handleMPsequence ...de {Q}\egroup \wd 0=\MPwidth \vbox to \MPheight {\forge... l.195 showpage ? I am using the pdflatex from the TeXlive 4 CD. The metapost file was also generated with the TeXlive 4 metapost. Is this a known problem? If more context is needed, I will provide it. Thanks, Denis 23-Sep-1999 7:13:26-GMT,1540;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10655 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:13:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA31653 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:07:38 -0400 Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (root@kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31650 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:07:34 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (f94pc@batch-2.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.54]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26172; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:07:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909230707.JAA26172@kobra.efd.lth.se> To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org, f94pc@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: Concerning section numbering (using an AMS class) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:29:33 BST." <14313.1005.832493.494265@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:07:29 +0200 From: Patrik Carlsson Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > \hypersetup{bookmarksnumbered=false} > If you want to have numbered sections, use then option >bookmarksnumbered. Great, a feature not documented in the Hyperref manual, because it is hyperref - right. I've spent some time making workarounds like processing documents twice with different headers to get the numbers into the bookmarks by an old .toc file. Patrik 23-Sep-1999 8:33:35-GMT,1847;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12404 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA00623 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:22:50 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA00620 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:22:48 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11U49P-0007Sg-00; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:22:47 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11U49P-000012-00; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:22:47 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14313.61568.157553.453749@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:18:56 +0100 (BST) To: f94pc@efd.lth.se Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Concerning section numbering (using an AMS class) In-Reply-To: <199909230707.JAA26172@kobra.efd.lth.se> References: <14313.1005.832493.494265@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <199909230707.JAA26172@kobra.efd.lth.se> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Patrik Carlsson writes: > > \hypersetup{bookmarksnumbered=false} > > If you want to have numbered sections, use then option > >bookmarksnumbered. > > Great, > a feature not documented in the Hyperref manual, > because it is hyperref - right. the hyperref manual is seriously out of date, I am afraid; the LaTeX Web Companion is more up to date, and _does_ describe "bookmarksnumbered". Sebastian 23-Sep-1999 8:36:30-GMT,2337;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12483 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA00700 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:27:52 -0400 Received: from localgw.inet.cz (brno-l.router.inet.cz [62.229.34.226]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA00697 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:27:50 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (bigpenguin.inet.cz [62.229.34.227]) by localgw.inet.cz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA14566; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:32:39 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01385; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:24:19 +0200 To: Heiko Oberdiek Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Multi-paragraph anotations? Howto? References: X-Operating-System: Linux 2.3.18 on Intel, Linux 2.2.10 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-Phone: +420 5 41242414 ext. 31 X-Spam: No unsolicited e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicited e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 From: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik ml.) Date: 23 Sep 1999 10:24:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: Heiko Oberdiek's message of "Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:00:52 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id EAA00698 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Heiko Oberdiek Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:00:52 +0200 (MET DST) Hi, > A carriage return marks a new line in a pdf string for annotations. > * Manually: \string\r do you mean: --- cut here --- \nopagenumbers \pdfannot {% /Subtype /Text /Contents (Hi\string\r\string\r This is multi-paragraph annotation.)} \bye --- cut here --- This looks ok in both acroread on NT and Linux. Thanks. -- Pavel Janík ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz 23-Sep-1999 12:00:13-GMT,1887;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16543 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA02415 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:40:06 -0400 Received: from danube.river-valley.com (IDENT:cvr@[203.129.251.246]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA02412 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:39:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01578; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:03:27 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: danube.river-valley.com: cvr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:03:19 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan X-Sender: cvr@danube.river-valley.com To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: problem with pdflatex + pdfscreen + metapost In-Reply-To: <14313.10130.441442.985168@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Dennis Roegel, not me. > > sebastian > ***************************************** > > I am using pdfscreen and I get an error when including > a metapost file : > > [27] [28] [MP to PDF dt-fig-metapost.1] > (dt-fig-metapost.1 > ! Undefined control sequence. > \handleMPsequence ...de {Q}\egroup \wd 0=\MPwidth > \vbox to \MPheight {\forge... I dont have any problem including metapost graphics. will you please send me a small test file with a small metapost file too. Radhakrishnan 23-Sep-1999 19:15:30-GMT,3054;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28470 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA03696 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:00:34 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03693 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:00:32 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11UE6P-0005XO-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:00:21 +0100 Received: from max70.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.70] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UE6O-0002Os-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:00:21 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14314.31056.981877.986914@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:02:40 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: mpost/pdfscreen etc In-Reply-To: <199909231748.NAA03474@tug.org> References: <199909231748.NAA03474@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk from Denis.Roegel@loria.fr>] > `Radhakrishnan' wrote > > > Dennis Roegel, not me. > > > > sebastian > > ***************************************** > > > > I am using pdfscreen and I get an error when including > > a metapost file : > > > > [27] [28] [MP to PDF dt-fig-metapost.1] > > (dt-fig-metapost.1 > > ! Undefined control sequence. > > \handleMPsequence ...de {Q}\egroup \wd 0=\MPwidth > > \vbox to \MPheight {\forge... > > I dont have any problem including metapost graphics. will you please send > me a small test file with a small metapost file too. Actually, I found the cause of the problem : it was french.sty or babel/french. The french package or babel with the frenchb option must be loaded after pdfscreen. Then it works. Btw, since I use pdfscreen in french, I had to redefine various internals. I think it would be nice if all button names were gathered somewhere, like \def\contentsname{Contents} \def\titlepagename{Title page} \def\quitname{Quit} etc. so that it is not necessary to redefine \@panel and \@@panel. Also, between the side buttons of the first (title) page and the subsequent pages, there is a shift. This is annoying when you want to click fast. Buttons should stay at the same position. Finally, I find the default size too small, and there should be a provision to make it a bit larger. For instance, compare with the default sizes of the slides class or the seminar class. Thanks, Denis 23-Sep-1999 19:57:39-GMT,1918;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29489 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA03939 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:47:22 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03936 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:47:21 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31348; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:46:59 -0400 To: Shao Zhang Cc: Pdftex Mailing List Subject: Re: pdftex & dvipdf References: <19990908122252.A10360@localhost> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:46:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: Shao Zhang's message of "Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:22:52 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Shao Zhang writes: > Hi, > I am just wondering what is the diffence between pdftex and > dvipdf? > > I have been having some trouble to keep my ps version of .tex > file and pdf version of .tex files in sync. But with the dvipdf > program, I can simply choose which format I want. > > Am I missing something else? I've never used dvipdf, but I'd guess that the quality of the fonts would be poor compared to pdftex output, since dvipdf probably uses raster, or bitmap, fonts. With pdftex you can change the paper size with "\pdfpagewidth" and "\pdfpageheight". Page size is a bit different in pdftex because there is no postprocessor to take care of it for you. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 23-Sep-1999 21:32:24-GMT,1806;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02194 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA05407 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:20:27 -0400 Received: from newman.myriad.net (mail.myriad.net [204.57.67.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05403 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:20:25 -0400 Received: from [208.180.5.200] (usr06-200.tca.net [208.180.5.200]) by newman.myriad.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02919 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:20:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom.kiff@mail.kiffe.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:20:56 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Tom Kiffe Subject: Errors embedding adobe fonts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Versions 0.14a and 0.14b have problems embedding some Adobe Postscript fonts. If one runs pdftex on the test1.tex file included with the psnfss package Acrobat Reader 4.0 reports an error when trying to read characters from the embedded AvantGarde-BookOblique font. If AvantGarde is commented out in test1.tex, then Acrobat Reader reports an error with Helvetica-Narrow. If both fonts are commented out, Acrobat Reader does not report any problems. If everything but AvantGarde is commented out, Reader still reports the same problem. Neither problem occurs if the urw type1 fonts are used instead of Adobe's fonts and neither problem occurs with version 0.13d of pdftex. These problems occur on both the linux and Macintosh platforms. --Tom 23-Sep-1999 23:40:16-GMT,2418;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05486 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA06584 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:32:49 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06581 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:32:47 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FIJ00K01DEL91@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FIJ00J6MDELC4@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:32:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Errors embedding adobe fonts In-reply-to: To: Tom Kiffe Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Try disabling the "Use local fonts" option in the View menu. Avant Garde is installed on the Macintosh by the system (I believe) in True Type form, whereas the font in the PDF file is Type 1. Oopsie. The same thing is true about Helvetica Narrow. Or at least I have seen both of these fonts in the system folder in True Type form. Regards, Tom On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Tom Kiffe wrote: > Versions 0.14a and 0.14b have problems embedding some Adobe Postscript fonts. > > If one runs pdftex on the test1.tex file included with the psnfss package > Acrobat Reader 4.0 reports an error when trying to > read characters from the embedded AvantGarde-BookOblique font. If AvantGarde is commented out in test1.tex, then Acrobat Reader reports an error with Helvetica-Narrow. If both fonts are commented out, Acrobat Reader does not report any problems. If everything but AvantGarde is commented out, Reader still reports the same problem. > > Neither problem occurs if the urw type1 fonts are used instead of Adobe's fonts and neither problem occurs with version 0.13d of pdftex. > > These problems occur on both the linux and Macintosh platforms. > > > --Tom > 24-Sep-1999 5:28:09-GMT,2679;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13350 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA08008 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:21:38 -0400 Received: from newman.myriad.net (mail.myriad.net [204.57.67.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08005 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:21:36 -0400 Received: from [208.180.3.226] (usr09-226.tca.net [208.180.3.226]) by newman.myriad.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22594; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:21:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom.kiff@mail.kiffe.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:22:09 -0500 To: Tom Kacvinsky From: Tom Kiffe Subject: Re: Errors embedding adobe fonts Cc: pdftex@tug.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom, I don't think this will do anything for the following reasons: 1) I took those fonts out of my Fonts folder. 2) pdftex 0.13d did not generate a bad pdf file, only 14a and 14b do. 3) Reader has no such Option in its View Menu, only Acrobat does. --Tom >Try disabling the "Use local fonts" option in the View menu. Avant >Garde is installed on the Macintosh by the system (I believe) in True >Type form, whereas the font in the PDF file is Type 1. Oopsie. > >The same thing is true about Helvetica Narrow. > >Or at least I have seen both of these fonts in the system folder in >True Type form. > >Regards, > >Tom > >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Tom Kiffe wrote: > >> Versions 0.14a and 0.14b have problems embedding some Adobe Postscript fonts. >> >> If one runs pdftex on the test1.tex file included with the psnfss package >> Acrobat Reader 4.0 reports an error when trying to >> read characters from the embedded AvantGarde-BookOblique font. If AvantGarde is commented out in test1.tex, then Acrobat Reader reports an error with Helvetica-Narrow. If both fonts are commented out, Acrobat Reader does not report any problems. If everything but AvantGarde is commented out, Reader still reports the same problem. >> >> Neither problem occurs if the urw type1 fonts are used instead of Adobe's fonts and neither problem occurs with version 0.13d of pdftex. >> >> These problems occur on both the linux and Macintosh platforms. >> >> >> --Tom >> 24-Sep-1999 8:09:09-GMT,2496;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17156 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA08949 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 03:52:29 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA08946 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 03:52:27 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11UQ9b-0007di-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:52:27 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UQ9b-0004f1-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:52:27 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14315.15294.546184.78534@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:52:14 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: problem with pdflatex + pdfscreen + metapost In-Reply-To: <199909240416.AAA07784@tug.org> References: <199909240416.AAA07784@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Radhakrishnan C V On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Denis B. Roegel wrote: > Btw, since I use pdfscreen in french, I had to redefine various > internals. I think it would be nice if all button names were gathered > somewhere, like kindly wait a little, i'm almost about to upload a new version of pdfscreen to CTAN which has foreign language support, five color schemes, user definable colors and font attributes, etc. a test version of the same is available at: http://www.river-valley.com/download > Also, between the side buttons of the first (title) page and > the subsequent pages, there is a shift. This is annoying when > you want to click fast. Buttons should stay at the same position. will try to do it before the release to CTAN > Finally, I find the default size too small, and there should be > a provision to make it a bit larger. For instance, compare > with the default sizes of the slides class or the seminar class. are you making slides with pdfscreen? what about an idea of a slides option so that the fonts are redefined to pretty larger sizes. radhakrishnan 24-Sep-1999 8:14:33-GMT,1658;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17256 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA09003 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:01:35 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA08999 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:01:33 -0400 Received: from merkur.econ.muni.cz (porizka@merkur.econ.muni.cz [147.251.189.10]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02464 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:01:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (porizka@localhost) by merkur.econ.muni.cz (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24432 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:55:33 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:55:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Roman Porizka X-Sender: porizka@merkur.econ.muni.cz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: \pdfimage in pdftex 0.14b Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have at home teTeX-1.0.6. there's pdftex version 0.13d. I've tried it to upgrade to 0.14b. I have downloaded precompiled version for linux, placed the files pdftex, pdftex.pool & ttf2afm to the right places, generated pdftex.fmt & pdflatex.fmt and I have tried it on a test file and pdftex didn't know the sequence \pdfimage. What did I wrong? Roman Porizka P.S. Sorry for my bad english... 24-Sep-1999 8:37:54-GMT,2421;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17754 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA09295 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:22:58 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA09292 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:22:55 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04899; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:22:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27590; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:22:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909240822.KAA27590@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Errors embedding adobe fonts In-Reply-To: from Tom Kiffe at "Sep 24, 99 00:22:09 am" To: tom@kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:22:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Versions 0.14a and 0.14b have problems embedding some Adobe Postscript fonts. > > If one runs pdftex on the test1.tex file included with the psnfss package > Acrobat Reader 4.0 reports an error when trying to > read characters from the embedded AvantGarde-BookOblique font. If AvantGarde is commented out in test1.tex, then Acrobat Reader reports an error with Helvetica-Narrow. If both fonts are commented out, Acrobat Reader does not report any problems. If everything but AvantGarde is commented out, Reader still reports the same problem. > > Neither problem occurs if the urw type1 fonts are used instead of Adobe's fonts and neither problem occurs with version 0.13d of pdftex. > > These problems occur on both the linux and Macintosh platforms. this problem occurs with Adobe fonts that uses transformation to generate a variant (like Oblique or Narrow) from a base font. I don't know the reason yet, sorry. This problem is caused by subsetting /Subrs array of T1 fonts (implemented from version 0.13e). Hopefully it will be fixed in next release. Thanh 24-Sep-1999 11:21:37-GMT,1983;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20976 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA10821 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:02:40 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA10818 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:02:39 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FIK00F019CE2J@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FIK00CRY9CD09@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:02:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Errors embedding adobe fonts In-reply-to: To: Tom Kiffe Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hmmmm.... I guess I would have to look at the Type 1 fonts. I know we have both versions here at the AMS, but which version? Tell me the version (inside the Type 1 font in the /version string) and I'll see if mine matches up. Also, I'd like to take a look at the PDF file that is causing problems. I have developed some PDF debugging techniques. Its all handwork, so don't bother asking for a tool! :) Tom On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Tom Kiffe wrote: > Tom, > > I don't think this will do anything for the following reasons: > > 1) I took those fonts out of my Fonts folder. > 2) pdftex 0.13d did not generate a bad pdf file, only 14a and 14b do. > 3) Reader has no such Option in its View Menu, only Acrobat does. > > --Tom > 24-Sep-1999 15:26:31-GMT,2809;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26882 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA11810 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:55:56 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11807 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:55:49 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FIK00201K4RI3@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FIK000LLK2TVL@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Errors embedding adobe fonts In-reply-to: <199909240822.KAA27590@anxur.fi.muni.cz> To: Han The Thanh Cc: Tom Kiffe , pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The problem with the AvantGarde font from Adobe is that it is a synthetic font (see section 9.1 in the black book). I think that synthetic fonts will continue to be a problem. I suppose that there might be newer versions of the font available from Adobe which are not synthesized, and there is the version from URW which is not synthetic. Tom On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Han The Thanh wrote: > Hi, > > > Versions 0.14a and 0.14b have problems embedding some Adobe Postscript fonts. > > > > If one runs pdftex on the test1.tex file included with the psnfss package > > Acrobat Reader 4.0 reports an error when trying to > > read characters from the embedded AvantGarde-BookOblique font. If AvantGarde is commented out in test1.tex, then Acrobat Reader reports an error with Helvetica-Narrow. If both fonts are commented out, Acrobat Reader does not report any problems. If everything but AvantGarde is commented out, Reader still reports the same problem. > > > > Neither problem occurs if the urw type1 fonts are used instead of Adobe's fonts and neither problem occurs with version 0.13d of pdftex. > > > > These problems occur on both the linux and Macintosh platforms. > > this problem occurs with Adobe fonts that uses transformation to generate a > variant (like Oblique or Narrow) from a base font. I don't know the reason yet, > sorry. This problem is caused by subsetting /Subrs array of T1 fonts > (implemented from version 0.13e). Hopefully it will be fixed in next release. > > Thanh > 24-Sep-1999 15:52:40-GMT,2998;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27727 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA11909 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:27:37 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11906 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:27:35 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FIK00301LLYV5@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FIK003A0LLYIT@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Errors embedding adobe fonts In-reply-to: To: Han The Thanh Cc: Tom Kiffe , pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I might add that Helvetica Narrow is also a synthetic font. On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > Hi, > > The problem with the AvantGarde font from Adobe is that it is > a synthetic font (see section 9.1 in the black book). > > I think that synthetic fonts will continue to be a problem. I > suppose that there might be newer versions of the font available > from Adobe which are not synthesized, and there is the version > from URW which is not synthetic. > > Tom > > On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Han The Thanh wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > Versions 0.14a and 0.14b have problems embedding some Adobe Postscript fonts. > > > > > > If one runs pdftex on the test1.tex file included with the psnfss package > > > Acrobat Reader 4.0 reports an error when trying to > > > read characters from the embedded AvantGarde-BookOblique font. If AvantGarde is commented out in test1.tex, then Acrobat Reader reports an error with Helvetica-Narrow. If both fonts are commented out, Acrobat Reader does not report any problems. If everything but AvantGarde is commented out, Reader still reports the same problem. > > > > > > Neither problem occurs if the urw type1 fonts are used instead of Adobe's fonts and neither problem occurs with version 0.13d of pdftex. > > > > > > These problems occur on both the linux and Macintosh platforms. > > > > this problem occurs with Adobe fonts that uses transformation to generate a > > variant (like Oblique or Narrow) from a base font. I don't know the reason yet, > > sorry. This problem is caused by subsetting /Subrs array of T1 fonts > > (implemented from version 0.13e). Hopefully it will be fixed in next release. > > > > Thanh > > > 24-Sep-1999 19:10:35-GMT,1746;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03388 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA12832 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:00:19 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12829 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:00:17 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p22.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.78.151]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id PAA32710; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.4.19990924145609.01c59d58@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.4 (Beta) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:58:03 -0400 To: Tom Kacvinsky , Han The Thanh From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Errors embedding adobe fonts Cc: Tom Kiffe , pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 11:27 AM 9/24/99 -0400, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: >I might add that Helvetica Narrow is also a >synthetic font. Here are some more that have synthetic variants (mostly obique) :-): "Helvetica", "Courier", "AvantGarde", "Univers", "Optima", "Futura", "NewsGothic", "EuroStyle", "TektonMM", -- Berthold K.P. Horn bkph@YandY.com 24-Sep-1999 22:18:19-GMT,1983;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08626 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13631 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:07:42 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13628 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:07:41 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11UdV4-0003qQ-00; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:07:30 +0100 Received: from max62.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.62] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UdV3-0000xL-00; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:07:29 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14314.38066.947769.946794@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:59:30 +0100 (BST) To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu Cc: shao@cia.com.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex & dvipdf In-Reply-To: References: <19990908122252.A10360@localhost> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin writes: > I've never used dvipdf, but I'd guess that the quality of the fonts > would be poor compared to pdftex output, since dvipdf probably > uses raster, or bitmap, fonts. dvipdfm uses Type1 fonts, just like pdftex. it has almost all the facilities/abilities of pdftex, and a few of its own (like interpretation of some simple PS \special commands, native parsing of Metapost output etc). It serves a different market, but it is (in the latest revision) looking very mature. Sebastian 25-Sep-1999 10:51:27-GMT,2106;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24217 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA17975 for pdftex-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:44:18 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17972 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:44:17 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p98.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.99]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08774; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990925064003.01c1b330@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:42:46 -0400 To: Han The Thanh , tom@kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe) From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: synthetic fonts Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199909240822.KAA27590@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 10:22 AM 1999-09-24 +0200, Han The Thanh wrote: >this problem occurs with Adobe fonts that uses transformation to generate a >variant (like Oblique or Narrow) from a base font. I don't know the reason >yet, >sorry. This problem is caused by subsetting /Subrs array of T1 fonts >(implemented from version 0.13e). Hopefully it will be fixed in next release. One awkwardness with synthetic fonts is that some T1 font structures are duplicated (one for the synthesized font and one internally for the "base" font), while others appear only once (such as the glyph programs). When subsetting one needs to be careful to modify the appropriate version of Subrs, encoding vector etc. (Fortunately "compound fonts" and such have disappeared from the radar screen or one would have yet another problem to deal with). -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 26-Sep-1999 17:10:32-GMT,2146;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28582 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA22645 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:57:48 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22642 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:57:47 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11VHcE-00055L-00; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:57:34 +0100 Received: from max62.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.62] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VHcD-00008O-00; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:57:34 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14318.20431.478598.578001@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:54:39 +0100 (BST) To: crysmann@dfki.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex & dvipdf In-Reply-To: <99092613190800.14286@bc> References: <19990908122252.A10360@localhost> <14314.38066.947769.946794@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <99092611584601.14930@bc> <99092613190800.14286@bc> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Berthold Crysmann writes: > Is dvipdfm actively supported in hyperref? In the dvipdfm manual, ... > Meanwhile, I figured out that it is the driver included with dvipdfm 0.12.4c > which does not cooperate well with hyperref 6.66e. > The driver included in the hyperref release works, > but it does not allow breaklinks. Will it be updated at > some point to take advantage of this feature in dvipdfm ??? Yes. Your analysis is right: - use the driver that comes with hyperref itself - but it doesn't support the latest features of dvipdfm - yes, i have been corresponding with Mark Wicks about how to do so Sebastian 26-Sep-1999 22:05:02-GMT,3635;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04773 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24035 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:59:34 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24026 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:59:30 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.12]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAD23; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:57:18 +0200 Message-ID: <37EE9FC6.F6E0D994@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:35:50 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez=20C=E1rmenes?= CC: pdftex@tug.org, thanh@fi.muni.cz Subject: Re: problem with color managent in pdftex 0.14b References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id RAA24028 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes wrote: > By default, \rules appear on black over a white background. > Modifying the text color does not modify how \rules appear, > you need to change the background color instead, which is > totally wrong. > ... > If you do not restore the previous background color, subsequent > \rules appear in the previously set background color for the > rest of the page, but if you restore the background color to > white (the default background), then subsequent rules are not > visible (because they are the same color as the background). Your color macros lack 'grouping', i.e. save and restore in pdf (q Q). You should really use those, since you can never be sure of what happens in between. Hoping that a background color set somewere on top of the page is still valid later is rather optimistic. In version 13 rules were drawn using the re (rectangle operator), but rectangles are very poorly rendered in the acrobat version 4 viewers. Since adobe will not solve this and tex uses rules also for building math glyphs, pdftex has to provide a better alternative. Version 14 therefore uses moveto's and lineto's and fills. Currently some alternatives are being tested, because rounding in tex leads to for the eye small differences in positioning, but for pdf viewers unfortunately even nanometer differences seem to be a reason for 1 pixel positioning errors. The version 14 approach involved a cm (transform) and therefore grouping. In practice there is no difference in how to deal with color: one could not foretell how pdftex would handle rules, and therefore both k and K is needed; one could also not foretell how grouping was applied, and therefore grouping is to be used at the macro level. Pdftex cannot help you here. Also, one should be aware that especially on linux color restore is buggy. So, a slightly different file could already give big differences. Also using the page cache is very dangerous, especially when using color. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Sep-1999 22:06:12-GMT,2092;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04806 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24033 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:59:33 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24025 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:59:30 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.12]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAACAC; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:56:58 +0200 Message-ID: <37EE86CB.C9230792@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:49:15 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roman Porizka CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: \pdfimage in pdftex 0.14b References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Roman Porizka wrote: > I have at home teTeX-1.0.6. there's pdftex version 0.13d. I've tried it to > upgrade to 0.14b. I have downloaded precompiled version for linux, > placed the files pdftex, pdftex.pool & ttf2afm to the right places, > generated pdftex.fmt & pdflatex.fmt and I have tried it on a test file and > pdftex didn't know the sequence \pdfimage. What did I wrong? This primitive is obsolete (replaced). See supp-pdf.tex for a macro alternative cq. example of the new primitives. > P.S. Sorry for my bad english... I can understand your english but you would not understand my czech -) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Sep-1999 22:06:35-GMT,2554;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04810 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:06:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24034 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:59:34 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24024 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:59:30 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.12]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAD0E; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:57:14 +0200 Message-ID: <37EE9BA9.A983B6BC@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:18:17 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez=20C=E1rmenes?= CC: pdftex@tug.org, thanh@fi.muni.cz Subject: Re: xform bug in linux version References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id RAA24029 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes wrote: > Hello Thanh and pdftex-addicts, > > I have discovered a new bug in the current pdftex v. 0.14b > that affects very badly form managing. The problem appears > both with the precompiled linux binaries provided by Thanh > and with binaries compiled in my own linux box. > > The previous version that I was using was 0.13d did not show > this problem. > > The problem is that pdftex crashes with a segmentation fault > when you process a file where you have defined more than one > xform, and you access to any but the last. Windows crashes too. You can for the moment overcome this bug by prefixing: \immediate \pdfxform Since pdftex keeps track of used forms, I guess the problem lays in the code that manages the list of used forms. (since I currently let context keep track of this itself and therefore use \immediate in most cases, I never noticed the bug; sorry). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Sep-1999 22:05:04-GMT,1987;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04778 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA23998 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:57:42 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23995 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:57:41 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.12]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA19EB; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:57:09 +0200 Message-ID: <37EE94B9.95C7E185@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:48:41 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett Subject: Re: pdftex manual: syntax for goto file References: <37E430FE.BBDA134F@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > > In the pdftex manual on p.16 the syntax rules say > > -> | | Thanh, can you check this in the source (I don't have the source on this machine). > \ifx\undefined\pdfoutput \newcount\pdfoutput\fi > > For plain pdftex at least this should be > > \ifx\undefined\pdfoutput \csname newcount\endcsname\pdfoutput\fi > > since \newcount is \outer in plain. Sure. (I \let\outer\relax before I load plain so I never noticed.) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Sep-1999 16:05:17-GMT,2880;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27394 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:05:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA29934 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:32:32 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29931 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:32:29 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28906; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:31:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37EF8DD3.427DD6CE@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:31:31 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez=20C=E1rmenes?= , pdftex@tug.org, thanh@fi.muni.cz Subject: Re: xform bug in linux version References: <37EE9BA9.A983B6BC@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > > Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes wrote: > > > Hello Thanh and pdftex-addicts, > > > > I have discovered a new bug in the current pdftex v. 0.14b > > that affects very badly form managing. The problem appears > > both with the precompiled linux binaries provided by Thanh > > and with binaries compiled in my own linux box. > > > > The previous version that I was using was 0.13d did not show > > this problem. > > > > The problem is that pdftex crashes with a segmentation fault > > when you process a file where you have defined more than one > > xform, and you access to any but the last. > > Windows crashes too. You can for the moment overcome this bug by > prefixing: > > \immediate \pdfxform > > Since pdftex keeps track of used forms, I guess the problem lays in the > code that manages the list of used forms. (since I currently let > context keep track of this itself and therefore use \immediate in most > cases, I never noticed the bug; sorry). > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- I've been getting segmentation faults erratically with 14b (DJGPP version, under windows 95 & 98). Run it once, segmentation fault, run it again immediately afterwards, OK. Bob Howlett 28-Sep-1999 7:35:08-GMT,2021;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21014 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA03216 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:24:01 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA03213 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:23:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA11098; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:29:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:29:41 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: Robert Howlett cc: Hans Hagen , pdftex@tug.org, thanh@fi.muni.cz Subject: Re: xform bug in linux version In-Reply-To: <37EF8DD3.427DD6CE@mail.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id DAA03214 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Robert Howlett wrote: > > ... > > I've been getting segmentation faults erratically with 14b > (DJGPP version, under windows 95 & 98). Run it once, segmentation fault, > run it again immediately afterwards, OK. > > Bob Howlett That's pathognomonic of memory management errors (uninitialized pointers usually). Regards, Ricardo. ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 ============================================================== 28-Sep-1999 15:48:00-GMT,1571;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01829 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA05515 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:56:34 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05473 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:48:02 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (0@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04362 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:45:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05485 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:18:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909281418.QAA05485@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: 0.14c pretest To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:18:26 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I uploaded 0.14c pretest to http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/download/ (solaris, linux and djgpp binaries only). Changes: * the bug with xform was fixed * synthetic fonts are now embedded entirely. tested ok with Acrobat Reader and xpdf, however gs fails when font mapping is turned off (gs -dNOFONTMAP). Thanh 29-Sep-1999 8:31:39-GMT,1732;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27498 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA08265 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:07:16 -0400 Received: from pns.brandenburg.de (pns.brandenburg.de [194.76.232.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA08262 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:07:10 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pns.brandenburg.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04849 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:04:18 +0200 (METDST) Received: from www1.brandenburg.de(194.76.232.130) by pns.brandenburg.de via smap (V1.3) id sma004836; Wed Sep 29 10:03:56 1999 Received: from pkvbb5.ldspdm.ldsbb.lvnbb.de (PKVBB5.LDSPDM.LDSBB.LVNBB.de [10.128.9.12]) by hp_www.ldspdm.ldsbb.lvnbb.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15204 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:06:34 +0200 (METDST) Received: by PKVBB5.LDSPDM.LDSBB.LVNBB.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:06:22 +0200 Message-ID: <0F3313EC125AD311981100105AB3A75D07B545@N0795.mdf.fvbb.de> From: "Haseloff, Lutz" To: "'pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu'" Subject: PDF-Forms with Hyperref Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:06:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I would like to change the font in the TextField to Times-Roman. Is it possible? Is it possible to use any other Type1 font for TextFields? Thanks in advance Lutz 29-Sep-1999 10:32:03-GMT,2121;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29704 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA08946 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:54:52 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA08943 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:54:49 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.38]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA349; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:53:32 +0200 Message-ID: <37F1EF44.B293D197@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:51:48 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Haseloff, Lutz" CC: "'pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu'" Subject: Re: PDF-Forms with Hyperref References: <0F3313EC125AD311981100105AB3A75D07B545@N0795.mdf.fvbb.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Haseloff, Lutz" wrote: > I would like to change the font in the TextField to > Times-Roman. Is it possible? Yes. (In context when one switches to times/helvetica/courier the form font automatically switches too in style as well as size). > Is it possible to use any other Type1 font for TextFields? Given that you build quite some datastructures, and given that the viewer behaves well, it is. Of course the font should be in pdfdoc encoding. Experiments I did a year ago were no too promissing, but I will give it a try again as soon as I have an application for it. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Sep-1999 10:35:03-GMT,2326;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29746 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA08972 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:57:25 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA08969 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:57:24 -0400 Received: from default (superior41-45.infoserv.uakron.edu [130.101.2.45]) by uakron.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA19426; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909290957.FAA19426@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:57:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PDF-Forms with Hyperref Reply-to: story@uakron.edu CC: "Haseloff, Lutz" In-reply-to: <0F3313EC125AD311981100105AB3A75D07B545@N0795.mdf.fvbb.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Looking at hyperref.dtx, I see that the default appearance, /DA, is hardwired to /Helv. What you ask is possible, but you pretty much have to construct your own text field using pdfmarks, or pdftex's form primitives. The source file of my exerquiz package (at my AcroTeX web site, see below) would have examples of how to modify hyperref's macros to obtain features not supported by hyperref. Regards, dps On 29 Sep 99, at 10:06, Haseloff, Lutz wrote: > I would like to change the font in the TextField to > Times-Roman. Is it possible? > > Is it possible to use any other Type1 font for TextFields? > > Thanks in advance > > Lutz > Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. 30-Sep-1999 4:28:16-GMT,1301;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27429 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA13054 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:12:24 -0400 Received: from orange.doosan.com (orange.doosan.com [203.226.128.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13051 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:12:15 -0400 From: onions@orange.doosan.com Received: (from onions@localhost) by orange.doosan.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09556 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:11:22 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <199909300411.NAA09556@orange.doosan.com> Subject: help for unsubscribe To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:11:21 +0900 (KST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I need to turn off my subscription of pdftex. I have tried to by following the given method but the returned mail said " I am not on the list so that my name can not be removed". It would be appreciated if the maintainer of pdftex remove my name from the list My Information: email=onions@doosan.com Name= Jung,Jinki Tank you. 30-Sep-1999 7:44:24-GMT,1688;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01781 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA13632 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:30:00 -0400 Received: from marr.ius.cs.cmu.edu (MARR.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.242.179]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA13627 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:29:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: mahamud@cs.cmu.edu To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: help for unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <199909300411.NAA09556@orange.doosan.com> References: <199909300411.NAA09556@orange.doosan.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14323.4338.146692.757746@marr.ius.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk same problem here. sorry for the spam. it helps if administrative stuff like (un)subscribing is posted once every month. my details are : mahamud@cs.cmu.edu Shyjan Mahamud >>>>> "onions" == onions writes: onions> Hi, onions> I need to turn off my subscription of pdftex. I have onions> tried to by following the given method but the returned onions> mail said " I am not on the list so that my name can not onions> be removed". onions> It would be appreciated if the maintainer of pdftex remove onions> my name from the list onions> My Information: email=onions@doosan.com Name= Jung,Jinki onions> Tank you. 30-Sep-1999 8:07:42-GMT,2772;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02271 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA13759 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:59:49 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA13756 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:59:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA13705; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:07:48 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:07:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: Han The Thanh cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex 0.14c and ghostscript Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id DAA13757 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk \long\def\ignore#1\endignore{} \ignore Dear Thanh, I've tryed the pretest linux version 0.14c, and the xform bug is gone. The troubles in color management that I had reported were solved by a more careful use of pdfliteral. Thanks to Hans and you for the comments. The problem with ghostscript remains. The following very simple test file renders a file when compiled with pdftex 0.14b or 0.14c that cannot be processed by ghostscript 5.83. If this test file is compiled with pdftex 0.14a then the resulting pdf file is processed by ghostscript. We assume that the ptm package is installed. The following difference between both pdf outputs: @@ -26,6 +26,7 @@ 6 0 obj << /Type /Font /Subtype /Type1 +/Encoding 8 0 R /BaseFont /Symbol >> endobj 7 0 obj << seems to be the origin of the trouble. Changing the added pdf instruction to /Encoding 1 0 R makes the pdf file compatible with ghostscript. I have no idea of the pdf language, but I am sure this is meaningful for you and may help obtaining files that are compatible with the ghostscript interpreter too. Regards, Ricardo. \endignore % test file \pdfcompresslevel=0 \nopagenumbers \font\ptm=zptmcmrm at 10pt \textfont1=\ptm $\lambda$ \bye ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 ============================================================== 30-Sep-1999 9:45:31-GMT,2867;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04118 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA14203 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:27:20 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA14200 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:27:18 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.20]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA46C7; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:26:46 +0200 Message-ID: <37F33A5B.D6B8225E@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:24:27 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez=20C=E1rmenes?= CC: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.14c and ghostscript References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id FAA14201 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes wrote: > The following very simple test file renders a > file when compiled with pdftex 0.14b or 0.14c > that cannot be processed by ghostscript 5.83. There is a 5.93 beta. > If this test file is compiled with pdftex 0.14a > then the resulting pdf file is processed by > ghostscript. > > We assume that the ptm package is installed. > > The following difference between both pdf > outputs: > > @@ -26,6 +26,7 @@ > 6 0 obj << > /Type /Font > /Subtype /Type1 > +/Encoding 8 0 R > /BaseFont /Symbol > >> endobj > 7 0 obj << > > seems to be the origin of the trouble. > Changing the added pdf instruction to > /Encoding 1 0 R > makes the pdf file compatible with > ghostscript. Hm. Now the encoding points to object 1 0 obj. You can search for that in the pdf file. If GS accepts that, your just lucky. It looks like GS is happier without encoding that with. You can also change \Encoding into \Gnidocne and give that a try. This is less dangerous because unknown keywords are to be skipped. > I have no idea of the pdf language, but Maybe this gives you an idea: try: \immediate\pdfobj{Hello world!} and take a look at the file. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Sep-1999 11:24:35-GMT,4206;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06056 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA14438 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:05:10 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (root@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14435 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:04:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA14083; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:04:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:04:42 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: Hans Hagen cc: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.14c and ghostscript In-Reply-To: <37F33A5B.D6B8225E@wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id HAA14436 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Hans Hagen wrote: > Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes wrote: > > > The following very simple test file renders a > > file when compiled with pdftex 0.14b or 0.14c > > that cannot be processed by ghostscript 5.83. > > There is a 5.93 beta. I know, but I have been unable to compile it in my box (whereas older versions compiled smoothly), and I have had no time to find out what was wrong. > ... > > > Changing the added pdf instruction to > > /Encoding 1 0 R > > makes the pdf file compatible with > > ghostscript. > > Hm. Now the encoding points to object 1 0 obj. You can search for that > in the pdf file. If GS accepts that, your just lucky. > > It looks like GS is happier without encoding that with. ... Or maybe GS would be happier with encodings that actually exist: The /Encoding instruction was originally "/Encoding 8 0 R" so the encoding should point to object 8 0 obj, isn't it? but I cannot find that object anywhere in the offending pdf file as you can see: =========== begin of GS-incompatible pdf file =========== %PDF-1.3 3 0 obj << /Length 4 0 R >> stream 1 0 0 1 91.925 759.924 cm BT /F52 9.963 Tf 0 0 Td[(l)]TJ ET endstream endobj 4 0 obj 60 endobj 2 0 obj << /Type /Page /Contents 3 0 R /Resources 1 0 R /MediaBox [0 0 595.273 841.887] /Parent 7 0 R >> endobj 1 0 obj << /Font << /F52 6 0 R >> /ProcSet [ /PDF /Text ] >> endobj 6 0 obj << /Type /Font /Subtype /Type1 /Encoding 8 0 R /BaseFont /Symbol >> endobj 7 0 obj << /Type /Pages /Count 1 /Kids [2 0 R] >> endobj 9 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 7 0 R >> endobj 10 0 obj << /Producer (pdfTeX-0.14c) /Creator (TeX) /CreationDate (D:19990929195800) >> endobj xref 0 11 0000000000 65535 f 0000000251 00000 n 0000000139 00000 n 0000000009 00000 n 0000000121 00000 n 0000000000 00000 n 0000000319 00000 n 0000000402 00000 n 0000000000 00000 n 0000000459 00000 n 0000000508 00000 n trailer << /Size 11 /Root 9 0 R /Info 10 0 R >> startxref 603 %%EOF =========== end of GS-incompatible pdf file =========== > ... > > > I have no idea of the pdf language, but > > Maybe this gives you an idea: > > try: > > \immediate\pdfobj{Hello world!} > > and take a look at the file. > > Hans Sorry, but I do not pretend to be an expert on everything. I only try to help by not just complaining that something does not work, but also providing sample files and pointers on where could be the source of the trouble, in my humble and fragmentary knowledge and competence on the subject (my main subject is quit unrelated to all this, I am MD and Biochemistry Professor). Ricardo. ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 ============================================================== 30-Sep-1999 11:50:50-GMT,1569;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06542 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA14547 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:28:09 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14544 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:28:05 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10193; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:27:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09690; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:27:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199909301127.NAA09690@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex 0.14c and ghostscript In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= at "Sep 30, 99 12:04:42 pm" To: carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?=) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:27:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Ricardo, thanks for the test file. I fixed the bug (related to using base fonts). Thanh 30-Sep-1999 13:11:05-GMT,3120;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08129 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA14853 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:38:24 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14849 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:38:22 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.59]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA27BA; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: <37F36737.146DD7DA@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:35:51 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez=20C=E1rmenes?= CC: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.14c and ghostscript References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id IAA14850 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes wrote: > Or maybe GS would be happier with encodings that actually exist: > The /Encoding instruction was originally "/Encoding 8 0 R" > so the encoding should point to object 8 0 obj, isn't it? > but I cannot find that object anywhere in the offending pdf file > as you can see: Ah, so the object isn't there at all. That's definitely a pdftex bug then. Pointing to object 1 does not harm, because it's just a resource object. > > > I have no idea of the pdf language, but > > > > Maybe this gives you an idea: > > > > try: > > > > \immediate\pdfobj{Hello world!} > > > > and take a look at the file. > > Sorry, but I do not pretend to be an expert on everything. Ha, but you *were* able to trace the error, which in the world of pdf makes you an expert. > I only try to help by not just complaining that something does > not work, but also providing sample files and pointers on > where could be the source of the trouble, in my humble and > fragmentary knowledge and competence on the subject (my main > subject is quit unrelated to all this, I am MD and Biochemistry > Professor). Well, the \immediate\object example was only meant to make you an expert -). In principle you could now smuggle the 8th object into the file, but that's not really what we want. BTW, from the litle I know of biochemistry it's far more structured than pdf anyway. We're lucky that pdftex does not need the dirty pdf tricks. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Sep-1999 17:16:30-GMT,1557;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14716 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA15799 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:59 -0400 Received: from ufc.univ-fcomte.fr (ufc.univ-fcomte.fr [194.57.91.200]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15796 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:52 -0400 Received: from vega.univ-fcomte.fr (vega.univ-fcomte.fr [194.57.84.76]) by ufc.univ-fcomte.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03370 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:48:57 +0100 (WET DST) Received: from halebopp.univ-fcomte.fr (halebopp.univ-fcomte.fr [194.57.84.111]) by vega.univ-fcomte.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22066 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:47:42 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990930184713.00883d70@math.univ-fcomte.fr> X-Sender: petiard@math.univ-fcomte.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:47:13 +0100 To: pdftex@tug.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E9tiard?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Fran=E7ois?= Subject: pdfform Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id MAA15797 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk What is the new syntax of \pdfform ? F. Pétiard (petiard@math.univ-fcomte.fr) 30-Sep-1999 22:42:51-GMT,3215;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23798 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA16261 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:12:53 -0400 Received: from ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.18]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16258 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:12:49 -0400 Received: from msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca [131.104.32.59]) by ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15006 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909302212.SAA15006@ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca> Received: from MSNET/SpoolDir by msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (Mercury 1.40); 30 Sep 99 18:10:36 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by MSNET (Mercury 1.40); 30 Sep 99 18:10:17 -0500 From: "William R. Smith" Organization: Math & Stats, University of Guelph To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:10:12 -500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: PPOwer4 problem In-reply-to: <37e3af36.30350031@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > FINALLY!! Not for me :-( On my WinNT system, this is the batch file I used (spaces separate single lines): ---------------------------------------------- @ECHO OFF set basedir="C:\Program Files\JavaSoft\JRE\1.2\lib" set javacommand="C:\Program Files\JavaSoft\JRE\1.2\bin\java.exe" %javacommand% -cp %basedir%\pp4.jar de.tu_darmstadt.sp.pp4.PPower4 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 pause ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ pp4.jar is in the lib directory (%basdir%) I get: ------------------------------------------------------ count =0, total=76 Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: de/tu_darmstadt/sp/pp4/PPower4 ------------------------------------------------------ Re Pierre's comments about Netscape my pp4.jar file seems OK (at least no extra blank lines). BTW, I'm a novice java user > > The jar file on the web page is ok. But beware that browsers like Netscape > save files in format not always like the ones posted.. > > What it did here: > The jar file from the web page was saved as a file with blank lines > between the real ones. Here is a part of it > > Name: de/tu_darmstadt/sp/pp4/PPower4.class > > Digest-Algorithms: SHA MD5 > > SHA-Digest: PCNS1T3kCLtCbon/XSpDOc+sjOo= > > MD5-Digest: AjILed5+YhOqjh02oP8PcQ== > > Instead of the correct and working format > > Name: de/tu_darmstadt/sp/pp4/PPower4.class > Digest-Algorithms: SHA MD5 > SHA-Digest: PCNS1T3kCLtCbon/XSpDOc+sjOo= > MD5-Digest: AjILed5+YhOqjh02oP8PcQ== > > This was Netscape's fault. Sorry for my "ignorance"... > > Best Regards, W. R. Smith, Professor Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics and School of Engineering University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, CANADA N1G 2W1 Tel: 519-824-4120, ext. 3038; FAX: 519-837-0221; 1-Oct-1999 8:35:33-GMT,2795;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06657 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA17470 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:17:04 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA17467 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:16:58 -0400 Received: (from te@localhost) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04688 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:16:48 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:16:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199910010816.KAA04688@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: (fwd) pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted (xmalloc of 0 bytes) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Is there someone who has an idea what the problem might be? The 19990903 beta has pdftex version 0.14a. Thomas -- >From owner-tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de Sun Sep 19 16:26:59 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:12:26 +0100 (WEST) From: Joao Palhoto Matos To: tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted (xmalloc of 0 bytes) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by fandango.math.ist.utl.pt id MAA10877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by antares.informatik.uni-hannover.de id OAA03793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi: This to report that the 19990903 beta version contains a version of pdftex/pdfetex that consistently fails under OSF1/Digital Unix with the following ... (see the transcript file for additional information) Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07752 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA17713 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:22:49 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA17709 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:22:47 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.71]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6CED; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:22:11 +0200 Message-ID: <37F47E6E.6500CFC8@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:27:10 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E9tiard=20Fran=E7ois?= CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfform References: <3.0.5.32.19990930184713.00883d70@math.univ-fcomte.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id FAA17710 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pétiard François wrote: > What is the new syntax of \pdfform ? \Syntax {\Tex {\pdfxform} \Optional {\Something {attr spec}} \Optional {\Something {resources spec}} \Something {box number}} \Syntax {\Tex {\pdfrefxform} \Something {integer}} \Syntax {\Tex {\pdflastxform} \Whatever {read||only integer}} (a typeset version can be found in the pdftex manual, the latest is at the www address mentioned below) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Oct-1999 12:22:57-GMT,3123;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10936 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA18297 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:44:29 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18294 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:44:27 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11X16w-0005Er-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:44:26 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11X16w-0003AN-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:44:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14324.44191.839511.615552@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:44:15 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted In-Reply-To: <199910011059.GAA18057@tug.org> References: <199910011059.GAA18057@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk (from Ross Moore) ***************** > Is there someone who has an idea what the problem might be? The 19990903 > beta has pdftex version 0.14a. > > Thomas No idea --- but I get the same problem with every document. They process fine with v0.13d but not with: pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14b I just compiled this today, doing the best I could to follow the instructions in the README: gunzip < $HOME/src/web-7.3.1.tar.gz | tar xvf - gunzip < $HOME/src/web2c-7.3.1.tar.gz | tar xvf - gunzip < $HOME/src/web2c-7.3.1-etex-2.1.tar.gz | tar xvf - mv web2c-7.3.1/texk . gunzip < $HOME/src/tetexsrc-supp.tgz | tar xvf - cd texk/web2c gunzip < $HOME/src/pdftexsrc.tgz | tar xvf - cd ../.. ...but I couldn't find archives web-7.3.1.tar.gz web2c-7.3.1.tar.gz web2c-7.3.1-etex.... *anywhere* on the web; except for one at a japanese site for p-tex under win32. Instead I used everything from the TeXLive4 CD, which seemed to compile OK... ...except that every document crashes at the end with the xmalloc of 0 bytes , apparently while loading fonts, or maybe soon after completing that task. The other problem is that primitives have changed, from v0.13 to v0.14 . Is there a succinct list of the changes anywhere ? Is there a revision of hyperref that is adapted to these changes ? Where ? Do article threads work now ? More than one on a page ? (Is \pdfendthread redundant now ? ) Regards, Ross -- Ross Moore Email: ross@maths.mq.edu.au Mathematics Department TeX User Group: ross@tug.org Macquarie University Fax: +61 +2 9850 8114 Sydney Australia Phone: +61 +2 9850 8955 1-Oct-1999 13:50:29-GMT,3530;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12854 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18738 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:36:08 -0400 Received: from newman.myriad.net (mail.myriad.net [204.57.67.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18735 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:36:06 -0400 Received: from [208.180.4.226] (usr07-226.tca.net [208.180.4.226]) by newman.myriad.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15755; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:34:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom.kiff@mail.kiffe.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199910010816.KAA04688@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> References: <199910010816.KAA04688@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:35:28 -0500 To: Thomas Esser From: Tom Kiffe Subject: Re: (fwd) pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted (xmalloc of 0 bytes) Cc: pdftex@tug.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I had the same problem on a Mac. It is caused when the function t1_subset_subrs in writet1.c calls xmalloc, requesting 0 bytes. Some fonts have a subr_size of 0. What malloc does when it is asked to allocate 0 bytes is implementation-defined. On a Mac xmalloc returns NULL; apparently it does the same on OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix. Thanh really should fix this. /* subr_size_pos points to the number indicating dict size after "/Subrs" */ >Is there someone who has an idea what the problem might be? The 19990903 >beta has pdftex version 0.14a. > >Thomas > >-- >>From owner-tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de Sun Sep 19 16:26:59 1999 >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:12:26 +0100 (WEST) >From: Joao Palhoto Matos >To: tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de >Subject: pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted > (xmalloc of 0 bytes) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by fandango.math.ist.utl.pt > id MAA10877 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by > antares.informatik.uni-hannover.de id OAA03793 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Hi: > >This to report that the 19990903 beta version contains a version of >pdftex/pdfetex that consistently fails under OSF1/Digital Unix with the >following > >... >(see the transcript file for additional information)re/texmf/fonts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmti8.pfb>onts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmcsc10.pfb>e1/bluesky/cm/cmex10.pfb>y/cm/cmsy9.pfbfatal: memory exhausted (xmalloc of 0 bytes). > >This apparently happens irrespective of document, host, compiler, or >OSF1/Digital Unix version. It does not happen when using Solaris or Linux >binaries sharing the same texmf tree. > >I can supply more details if needed. > >-- >Jo“o Palhoto Matos http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~jmatos >Departamento de Matem·tica >Instituto Superior TÈcnico >Lisboa mailto:jmatos@math.ist.utl.pt 1-Oct-1999 14:27:08-GMT,3836;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13757 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18989 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:06:00 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18986 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:05:58 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FIX00301GHSZG@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FIX000S6GHRSF@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: (fwd) pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted (xmalloc of 0 bytes) In-reply-to: To: Tom Kiffe Cc: Thomas Esser , pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Confirmed: Tru64 UNIX returns a NULL pointer when (m|c)alloc is called with a size of 0. Tested on our axps running DU 4.0B and 4.0F. Tom > I had the same problem on a Mac. It is caused when the function > t1_subset_subrs in writet1.c calls xmalloc, requesting 0 bytes. Some fonts > have a subr_size of 0. What malloc does when it is asked to allocate 0 > bytes is implementation-defined. On a Mac xmalloc returns NULL; apparently > it does the same on OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix. > > Thanh really should fix this. > > > > /* subr_size_pos points to the number indicating dict size after "/Subrs" */ > > >Is there someone who has an idea what the problem might be? The 19990903 > >beta has pdftex version 0.14a. > > > >Thomas > > > >-- > >>From owner-tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de Sun Sep 19 16:26:59 1999 > >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:12:26 +0100 (WEST) > >From: Joao Palhoto Matos > >To: tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de > >Subject: pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted > > (xmalloc of 0 bytes) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by fandango.math.ist.utl.pt > > id MAA10877 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by > > antares.informatik.uni-hannover.de id OAA03793 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > >Hi: > > > >This to report that the 19990903 beta version contains a version of > >pdftex/pdfetex that consistently fails under OSF1/Digital Unix with the > >following > > > >... > >(see the transcript file for additional information) >re/texmf/fonts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmti8.pfb> >onts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmcsc10.pfb> >e1/bluesky/cm/cmex10.pfb> >y/cm/cmsy9.pfbfatal: memory exhausted (xmalloc of 0 bytes). > > > >This apparently happens irrespective of document, host, compiler, or > >OSF1/Digital Unix version. It does not happen when using Solaris or Linux > >binaries sharing the same texmf tree. > > > >I can supply more details if needed. > > > >-- > >Jo“o Palhoto Matos http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~jmatos > >Departamento de Matem·tica > >Instituto Superior TÈcnico > >Lisboa mailto:jmatos@math.ist.utl.pt > 1-Oct-1999 15:25:21-GMT,4438;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15377 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19361 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:58:12 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19358 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:58:10 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22512; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21195; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:58:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910011458.QAA21195@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted To: ross@maths.mq.edu.au Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:58:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > No idea --- but I get the same problem with every document. > They process fine with v0.13d but not with: pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14b > > I just compiled this today, doing the best I could to follow the instructions in the README: > > gunzip < $HOME/src/web-7.3.1.tar.gz | tar xvf - > gunzip < $HOME/src/web2c-7.3.1.tar.gz | tar xvf - > gunzip < $HOME/src/web2c-7.3.1-etex-2.1.tar.gz | tar xvf - > mv web2c-7.3.1/texk . > gunzip < $HOME/src/tetexsrc-supp.tgz | tar xvf - > cd texk/web2c > gunzip < $HOME/src/pdftexsrc.tgz | tar xvf - > cd ../.. > > ...but I couldn't find archives web-7.3.1.tar.gz web2c-7.3.1.tar.gz web2c-7.3.1-etex.... > *anywhere* on the web; except for one at a japanese site for p-tex under win32. > Instead I used everything from the TeXLive4 CD, which seemed to compile OK... web2c-7.3.1 is not released at all. One can get it from ftp://ftp.tug.org/private/tex/web2c-7.3.1.tar.gz web-7.3.1.tar.gz is the same as web-7.3.tar.gz apart from the name of the top-level directory. It is possible to use 7.3 files instead of 7.3.1 > ...except that every document crashes at the end with the xmalloc of 0 bytes , > apparently while loading fonts, or maybe soon after completing that task. I don't have access to DEC, so cannot find out what is wrong. Hopefully I will get an account on DEC for this purpose. > The other problem is that primitives have changed, from v0.13 to v0.14 . > Is there a succinct list of the changes anywhere ? > Is there a revision of hyperref that is adapted to these changes ? Where ? > Do article threads work now ? More than one on a page ? > (Is \pdfendthread redundant now ? ) There were many changes from 0.13 to 0.14 (cut from ChangeLog): * searching paths changed: pgc fonts: kpse_miscfonts_format images, pdftex.cfg: kpse_tex_format maps, encs: kpse_tex_ps_header_format * embedding arbitrary page from PDF file * logging file names changed: {...} reading <...> embedding <<...>> including * implicitly TIFF support (can be excluded at configuring time) * workaround for searching ligatures (always write Encoding dict for each font) * changes in primitives: - pdfTeX integer and dimensions parameters are accessible via config file as well as primitives - renamed: \pdfannotlink --> \pdfstartlink \pdfform --> \pdfxform \pdfrefform --> \pdfxrefform \pdflastform --> \pdflastxform - removed: \pdfimage \pdfthreadhoffset \pdfthreadvoffset - added: \pdfdecimaldigits \pdfmovechars \pdfpkresolution \pdfximage \pdfrefximage \pdflastximage \pdfrefobj \pdflastobj \pdfsavepos \pdflastxpos \pdflastypos \pdflinkmargin \pdfthreadmargin \pdffontname \pdffontobjnum \pdfincludechars - changed: \pdfobj For use of the primitives, please have a look at the manual. Regards, Thanh 1-Oct-1999 15:28:28-GMT,2494;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15475 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19340 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:56:06 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19337 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:56:03 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.125]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1DB1; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:55:27 +0200 Message-ID: <37F4D8FD.3964E9FB@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:53:33 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted References: <199910011059.GAA18057@tug.org> <14324.44191.839511.615552@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > The other problem is that primitives have changed, from v0.13 to v0.14 . The new manual has a formal definition and description of each primitive (available at the www address below). Thanh reviewed/renamed some primitives to be more consistent with the pdf specs and more symmetrical with other pdf primitives. > Is there a succinct list of the changes anywhere ? Not that I know. > Is there a revision of hyperref that is adapted to these changes ? Where ? I suppose so. > Do article threads work now ? More than one on a page ? > (Is \pdfendthread redundant now ? ) Implementing threads are up to the macros package writer. The main reason behind removing the rather fuzzy automatic mechanism was that only the macro packages knows the details (for instance the multi column boxes). There is no way pdtex could know this. No guess is better than a bad guess. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Oct-1999 15:31:22-GMT,4866;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15566 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19231 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:43:03 -0400 Received: from mlucom8.urz.uni-halle.de (mlucom8.urz.Uni-Halle.DE [141.48.3.51]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19228 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:43:00 -0400 Received: from [141.48.143.21] (actually zebul.theologie.Uni-Halle.DE) by mlucom8.urz.uni-halle.de with lsmtp with ESMTP; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:42:50 +0200 X-Sender: taqfk@mlucom6.urz.uni-halle.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Organization: Martin-Luther-Universitaet Halle-Wittenberg Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:37:29 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Thomas Neumann Subject: Problems with pdfTeX 14a (the MacOS port) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, I am not sure if this is the right forum for a newbie question, but I can't find a solution in the documentation or in the FAQ: The new distribution release of CMacTeX v3.3 comes with pdfTeX 14a. Unlike the former version, I have some problems. I am using a standard installation with new format files, adding hyphenation patterns for french and german. Then I test the installation with pdfTeX's "example.tex". But this will not happen (see the logfile). A test with the "test0.tex" test file from the hyperref package also fails with analogous error messages. Does anyone know, what is wrong? Is it really possible, that the pdfspecial commands are "undefined"? How to understand this logfile messages? Thanks in advance for any help or link to a helpful document, Thomas Neumann --- example.log --- This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-14a-2.1 (CMacTeX) (format=pdfetex 1999.9.29) 1 OCT 1999 15:08 entering extended mode **example.tex (example.tex{/CMacTeX/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg} (/CMacTeX/texmf/tex/eplain/eplain.tex) (/CMacTeX/texmf/pdftex/plain/misc/pdfcolor.tex) ! Undefined control sequence. l.67 \pdfthreadhoffset =1em % thread margins ? ! Undefined control sequence. l.68 \pdfthreadvoffset =1em % ? ! Undefined control sequence. l.99 \pdfannotlink % start of link annotation ? Underfull \vbox (badness 10000) has occurred while \output is active \vbox(643.20255+2.5)x469.75499 .\hbox(158.99377+2.5)x469.75499, glue set 12.00002fil ..\vbox(158.99377+1.94444)x222.87749, glue set 4.99377 ...\pdfliteral{0 0 0 1 k} ...\pdfannot(216.81+10.0)x284.52756{ /Subtype /Text /Open true /Contents (The f ollowing text was taken fr\ETC.} ...\pdfdest num1 ...\glue(\topskip) 3.55556 ...\hbox(6.44444+0.0)x222.87749, glue set 148.43292fil [] ...etc. ..\glue 0.0 plus 1.0fil ..\vbox(158.99377+0.0)x0.0, glue set 79.49689fil ...\glue 0.0 plus 1.0fil ...\hbox(0.0+0.0)x0.0 [] ...\glue 0.0 plus 1.0fil ..\glue 0.0 plus 1.0fil ..\vbox(158.99377+2.5)x222.87749 ...\glue(\splittopskip) 3.05556 ...\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x222.87749, glue set 0.14554 [] ...\glue(\baselineskip) 5.05556 ...\hbox(6.94444+1.94444)x222.87749, glue set 0.30858 [] ...\glue(\baselineskip) 3.11111 ...etc. [1{/CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/standard.map}{/CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/bsr.ma p}{ /CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/bakoma-extra.map}{/CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/pcrr8r n.m ap Warning: pdfetex (file /CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/pcrr8rn.map): invalid entry fo r `pcrr8rn': SlantFont/ExtendFont can be used only with embedded T1 fonts }{/CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/ppq.map}{/CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/pfu.map}{/CMa cTe X/texmf/dvips/misc/bop.map}{/CMacTeX/texmf/dvips/misc/arabtex.map}] ! Undefined control sequence. l.168 \pdfendthread % end of article thread ? [2 pdfTeX error (ext4): link ends in different nesting level than its start. \plainoutput ...headline \pagebody \makefootline } \advancepageno \ifnum \out... {\plainoutput } \@columnoutput ...ormalvsize \the \previousoutput \unvbox \@partialpage \pen... {\@columnoutput } \break ->\penalty -\@M l.194 \vfil\eject The control sequence at the end of the top line of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue, and I'll forget about whatever was undefined. ! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished! --- end example.log --- -- Thomas Neumann 1-Oct-1999 16:56:37-GMT,1635;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17914 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA19877 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:15:32 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19874 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:15:29 -0400 Received: from n31-177.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.31.177]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11X5Kn-0003Pu-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:15:01 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: (fwd) pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted (xmalloc of 0 bytes) From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:14:55 +0200 Message-ID: <1dz0cw5.1kelyzb1xxr1ymM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kiffe wrote: > Thanh really should fix this. I think it would be easier to fix it in kpathsea. Most of the xmallocs I have seen in other programs do this. diff -u xmalloc.c.orig xmalloc.c --- xmalloc.c.orig Fri Jun 18 09:38:03 1999 +++ xmalloc.c Fri Oct 1 18:09:59 1999 @@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ void * xmalloc P1C(unsigned, size) { - void *new_mem = (void *) malloc (size); + void *new_mem = (void *) malloc (size ? size : 1); if (new_mem == NULL) { -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ 1-Oct-1999 18:39:35-GMT,2503;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20823 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA20763 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:23:00 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA20760 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:22:57 -0400 Received: from remote142-94.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.94] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11X7KY-0007ED-00; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:22:54 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991001195812.0079f8a0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:58:12 +0200 To: Thomas Neumann , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Problems with pdfTeX 14a (the MacOS port) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 16:37 01.10.99 +0200, Thomas Neumann wrote: >The new distribution release of CMacTeX v3.3 comes with pdfTeX 14a. >Unlike the former version, I have some problems. I am using a standard >installation with new format files, adding hyphenation patterns for >french and german. Then I test the installation with pdfTeX's >"example.tex". But this will not happen (see the logfile). A test with >the "test0.tex" test file from the hyperref package also fails with >analogous error messages. Does anyone know, what is wrong? > >Is it really possible, that the pdfspecial commands are "undefined"? How >to understand this logfile messages? >! Undefined control sequence. >l.67 \pdfthreadhoffset ==> \pdfthreadmargin >! Undefined control sequence. >l.99 \pdfannotlink ==> \pdfstartlink In version 0.14 the syntax and names of some pdfTeX primitives have changed. Therefore you need an uptodate `pdftex.def' for the graphics package: http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex.def and an uptodate hyperref: http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip an uptodate pdftex manual can be obtained: http://www.pragma-ade.nl/pdftex/pdftex-a.pdf Yours sincerely Heiko 2-Oct-1999 13:18:13-GMT,1581;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14093 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:18:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA22838 for pdftex-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:52:46 -0400 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.21]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22835 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:52:39 -0400 Received: from sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE via smtp-local with ESMTP; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:52:30 +0200 Received: from rigel.univie.ac.at (dial-143196.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.143.196]) by sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21924 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:52:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from sx0005@localhost) by rigel.univie.ac.at (8.9.3/8.8.8) id OAA03001; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:59:58 GMT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:59:58 GMT Message-Id: <199910021459.OAA03001@rigel.univie.ac.at> X-Authentication-Warning: rigel.univie.ac.at: sx0005 set sender to sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de using -f From: Werner LEMBERG To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: draft graphics mode? Reply-to: Werner LEMBERG Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear friends, using the graphics package with standard LaTeX, I can activate the `draft' mode, and no images are necessary at all. What must I do to have the same with pdflatex? Werner 2-Oct-1999 18:55:13-GMT,1312;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20325 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA23431 for pdftex-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:50 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23428 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:48 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id TAA13640; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:46:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:46:36 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199910021846.TAA13640@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: wl@gnu.org CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199910021459.OAA03001@rigel.univie.ac.at> (message from Werner LEMBERG on Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:59:58 GMT) Subject: Re: draft graphics mode? References: <199910021459.OAA03001@rigel.univie.ac.at> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk draft should work with pdftex just as well as with latex. But even in draft mode it will need _something_ to find the size of the image, so if the files really are not there you will need to give the size in the optional arguments to \includegraphics. David 2-Oct-1999 19:01:04-GMT,3397;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20437 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA23485 for pdftex-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:57:16 -0400 Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de (mailout02.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.150]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23482 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:57:13 -0400 Received: from fwd15.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.175]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11XULG-0000jx-00; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:57:10 +0200 Received: from moebius.priv (063337222-0001(btxid)@[62.158.160.27]) by fwd15.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:56:42 +0200 Received: (from skirsch@localhost) by moebius.priv (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id UAA14679 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:29:00 +0200 Message-ID: <19991002202900.C621@moebius.priv> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:29:00 +0200 To: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Article about pdfTeX in c't Mail-Followup-To: pdfTeX Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i X-Sender: 063337222-0001@t-dialin.net From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been asked to write an article about pdfTeX for the German computer magazine c't. The current outline is as follows: -- current status of the project -- differences pdfTeX/conventional TeX (dvi drivers, new primitives) -- advantages: simpler installation, output format can be published without further conversion, no need to cater the needs of different dvi drivers -- disadvantages: less possibilities to make the most of the peculiarities of different output devices; new functions only via new primitives (-> changes in TeX itself,), not via new \specials (-> changes in the dvi drives, handing code to the postprocessor (PostScript)) -- Practical use: support by LaTeX (->hyperref, graphics), possibly ConTeXt -- using graphics via primitives/graphics package under LaTeX2e; support of several file formats (PNG, JPEG, TIFF, PDF!) -- (advanced uses: links, forms, embedded java programs) -- examples: packages by D. P. Story, Hans Hagen (ConTeXt) -- sources: binaries for different platforms, integration into existing distributions. I have a limit of 30.000 charactes, so I don't know whether I'll be able to fit all that into one article. I'd rather focus on the practical use of pdfTeX than discuss obscure technical points. If you think something is missing from the above list, please contact me in private. I would also welcome information about why the full functionality of pdfTeX cannot be duplicated by a dvi driver (but a full comparison with dvipdfm is out of scope for that article.) If you have information about places where pdfTeX is used, I would also welcome that. I would imagine that pdfTeX is especially useful in places where TeX is used as a typesetting backend (eg. for a SGML system), because it makes the backend smaller, simpler and easier to configure. -- Yours, Sebastian *** Dieses Schreiben wurde mit Hilfe einer Datenverarbeitungsanlage *** *** erstellt und bedarf keiner Unterschrift. *** 3-Oct-1999 4:12:35-GMT,3044;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01315 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:12:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA24371 for pdftex-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:59:19 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24368 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:59:12 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id FAA25018 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:59:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id FAA23533; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:59:09 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:59:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910030359.FAA23533@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Sebastian Marius Kirsch, Some discussion of *several* interesting competitors to pdfTeX would be in order: --- DVIew for MS Windows, by Basil Malyshev, (part of BaKoMa TeX on CTAN). This can output PDF. --- DVIPDFm on CTAN and TeXLive4 CD-ROM, by "M. A. Wicks". --- DVIPDF and AcroDVI by S. Lesenko (and me where AcroDVI is concerned) : This accepts PNG, JPEG, PDF graphics currently. See ftp://topo.math.u-psud.fr/pub/tex/ and also http://topo.math.u-psud.fr/~lcs/MathCD.html#NEWS As the name AcroDVI suggests, Acrobat Reader is henceforth a DVI viewer (under MSWindows only, for the while). It puts Acrobat Reader on a level playing field with DVI viewers --- in a competition that AR sometimes wins and sometimes loses. Also, the compactness of DVI versus PDF is something to consider. > I would also welcome information about why the full > functionality of pdfTeX cannot be duplicated by a dvi driver The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful, even just as a waystation to PDF. I am not quite convinced that pdfTeX can accomplish significantly more. On the other hand, AcroDVI accomplishes something pdfTeX does not even attempt. I suspect that the detailed features and creature comforts offered by these various programs will be the deciding factors for the user --- as they should be. Do these tools provide a viable alternative to purchasing Adobe's Distiller?? My answer is currently NO. I advise optimising every PDF file you intend to publish by running it PDF to PS (via PS driver) then PS to PDF via Distiller. A typical bulk reduction of PDF size is 3-to-2. Thus, for a gereral audience, the point to be emphasized, where PDF production is concerned, is that ***TeX*** IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER provides an exceptionally rich panoply of tools for PDF production. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 3-Oct-1999 8:45:00-GMT,1722;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06361 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA25208 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:40:35 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA25205 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 04:40:32 -0400 Received: from NEVERYON.ese-metz.fr (ppp3.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.223]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA08044; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:40:49 +0200 To: Laurent Siebenmann Cc: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910030359.FAA23533@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 03 Oct 1999 10:41:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: Laurent Siebenmann's message of "Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:59:09 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) XEmacs/21.2 (Shinjuku) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > > I would also welcome information about why the full > > functionality of pdfTeX cannot be duplicated by a dvi driver > > The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful, even just as a > waystation to PDF. I am not quite convinced that pdfTeX can > accomplish significantly more. Just think about the HZ algorithm for example ... -- Fabrice Popineau 3-Oct-1999 18:45:10-GMT,2019;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16740 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26352 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:36:41 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (24.66.219.88.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.219.88]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26349 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:36:39 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09045 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:43:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14327.41914.668057.655324@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:43:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Sosteric To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: test and how to make bookmarks X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 3) "Acadia" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Well, pdf text works brilliantly. I have questions (with apologise in advance for the newbies character. I am new to both LaTeX and pdflatex). 1) is there any good documentation available I've searched the online stuff and its lacking. perhaps a book recommendations? 2) what is the way to get /section and /subsection elements in LaTeX to appear as "bookmarks" on the side of the PDF viewer? 3) how do you reference URLs? tia mike -- Mike Sosteric Editor, EJS Department of Global and Social Analysis Executive Director, ICAAP Department of Educational Technology Athabasca University -- This troubled planet is a place of the most violent contrasts. Those that receive the rewards are totally separated from those who shoulder the burdens. It is not a wise leadership - Spock, "The Cloud Minders." 3-Oct-1999 19:37:37-GMT,1952;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17745 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA26908 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:32:52 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26904 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:32:51 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11XrND-0001tM-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:32:44 +0100 Received: from max44.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.44] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XrND-0001y2-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:32:43 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14327.45138.48114.733453@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:36:50 +0100 (BST) To: mikes@athabascau.ca Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: test and how to make bookmarks In-Reply-To: <14327.41914.668057.655324@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> References: <14327.41914.668057.655324@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mike Sosteric writes: > 1) is there any good documentation available I've searched the online > stuff and its lacking. perhaps a book recommendations? The LaTeX Web Companion; Goossens/Rahtz et al, Addison Wesley, 1999 has a chapter on hyperref and pdftex. FWIW. > 2) what is the way to get /section and /subsection elements in LaTeX > to appear as "bookmarks" on the side of the PDF viewer? use the "hyperref" package > 3) how do you reference URLs? use the "hyperref" packages Sebastian 3-Oct-1999 19:37:50-GMT,2662;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17754 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA26897 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:32:43 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26894 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:32:40 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11XrN8-0001tA-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:32:38 +0100 Received: from max44.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.44] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XrN8-0006Go-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:32:38 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14327.44818.284263.28130@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:31:30 +0100 (BST) To: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts In-Reply-To: <199910030359.FAA23533@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910030359.FAA23533@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > --- DVIPDF and AcroDVI by S. Lesenko (and me where AcroDVI is > concerned) : This accepts PNG, JPEG, PDF graphics currently. See I hate to ask, but has dvipdf ever been released or used by anyone except you and Sergey? realistically, it _isnt_ a competitor at this point. > The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful, even just as a > waystation to PDF. I am not quite convinced that pdfTeX can > accomplish significantly more. On the other hand, AcroDVI > accomplishes something pdfTeX does not even attempt. can you give some examples? > Do these tools provide a viable alternative to purchasing Adobe's > Distiller?? My answer is currently NO. I advise optimising every > PDF file you intend to publish by running it PDF to PS (via PS > driver) then PS to PDF via Distiller. A typical bulk reduction of > PDF size is 3-to-2. I cannot believe that this preserves any/all of the features of the PDF file. what do you mean by "via PS driver"? print-to-file? or Export PS? anyway, why not just load the PDF into Exchange, and the optimize it? why not use a free-standing optimizer? (which you can write if you license the PDF Library from Adobe) Sebastian 3-Oct-1999 19:43:19-GMT,2860;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17876 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA26902 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:32:48 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26899 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:32:46 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11XrN3-0001bL-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:32:33 +0100 Received: from max44.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.44] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XrN2-0004Cn-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:32:32 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14327.44492.578927.761362@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:26:04 +0100 (BST) To: skirsch@t-online.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Article about pdfTeX in c't In-Reply-To: <19991002202900.C621@moebius.priv> References: <19991002202900.C621@moebius.priv> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Marius Kirsch writes: > -- advantages: simpler installation, output format can be published > without further conversion, no need to cater the needs of different dvi > drivers no need to write dvi drivers for new devices (since the Microsoft do it for you) > -- disadvantages: less possibilities to make the most of the > peculiarities of different output devices; new functions only via new > primitives (-> changes in TeX itself,), not via new \specials (-> > changes in the dvi drives, handing code to the postprocessor > (PostScript)) things like pstricks and psfrag not working > I would also welcome information about why the full > functionality of pdfTeX cannot be duplicated by a dvi driver (but a full > comparison with dvipdfm is out of scope for that article.) With the latest dvipdfm, it is actually hard to see much difference for normal people. But you need to stress that pdfTeX is a research project, a vehicle for testing typesetting ideas (like HZ algorithm); it is NOT just a PDF backend for TeX. > welcome that. I would imagine that pdfTeX is especially useful in places > where TeX is used as a typesetting backend (eg. for a SGML system), > because it makes the backend smaller, simpler and easier to > configure. true. i promote it for this purpose, because people who don't know TeX don't want to get involved in dvi, postscript and the like. PDF fits the bill much better sebastian 3-Oct-1999 20:58:38-GMT,1643;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19277 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA27630 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:45:43 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27627 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:45:37 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21219; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:45:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ujf-grenoble.fr (ppp-bouche.ujf-grenoble.fr [152.77.212.157]) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA08119; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:50:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37F7C207.95C4CE78@ujf-grenoble.fr> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:52:23 +0200 From: Thierry Bouche X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: skirsch@t-online.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Article about pdfTeX in c't References: <19991002202900.C621@moebius.priv> <14327.44492.578927.761362@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz a écrit: > With the latest dvipdfm, it is actually hard to see much difference > for normal people. How is the ``links across line or page breaks'' problem handled? Th. 3-Oct-1999 21:38:56-GMT,2374;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20020 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27785 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:30:47 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27782 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:30:46 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14178; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:30:41 -0400 To: "Sebastian Rahtz" Cc: mikes@athabascau.ca, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: test and how to make bookmarks References: <14327.41914.668057.655324@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> <14327.45138.48114.733453@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 03 Oct 1999 17:30:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Sebastian Rahtz"'s message of "Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:36:50 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > Mike Sosteric writes: > > 1) is there any good documentation available I've searched the online > > stuff and its lacking. perhaps a book recommendations? > > The LaTeX Web Companion; Goossens/Rahtz et al, Addison Wesley, 1999 > has a chapter on hyperref and pdftex. FWIW. _The LaTeX companion_, Michel Goossens, et al, along with _A Guide to LaTeX_, by Helmut Kopka and Patrick W. Daly, have been good resources for me when I use LaTeX. _The TeXbook_, by Donald Knuth, is THE book for TeX and will give you proficiency in plain TeX if your mind can get along with Knuth's quirky way of thinking. The ConTeXt manual (originally in Dutch, the English version is currently beta) has some other recommendations for books on TeX. You can find documentation on ConTeXt, a full-featured macropackage that works well with pdftex, at: http://www.pragma-ade.nl/document.htm and (beta) ... http://www.pragma-ade.nl/manual.htm -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 3-Oct-1999 22:04:39-GMT,1912;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20478 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27995 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:59:16 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (24.66.219.88.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.219.88]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27992 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:59:13 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09375 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:05:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14327.54068.234334.714698@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:05:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Sosteric to: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: test and how to make bookmarks In-Reply-To: - Re: test and how to make bookmarks References: <14327.41914.668057.655324@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> <14327.45138.48114.733453@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 3) "Acadia" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The LaTeX Web Companion; Goossens/Rahtz et al, Addison Wesley, 1999 has a chapter on hyperref and pdftex. FWIW. ordered this. > 2) what is the way to get /section and /subsection elements in LaTeX > to appear as "bookmarks" on the side of the PDF viewer? use the "hyperref" package > 3) how do you reference URLs? use the "hyperref" packages yes I know that. But I can't get it to work. I have it generating a regular toc using \addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Untowning Hartwick: Restructuring...} but its not coming up with bookmarks. mike 3-Oct-1999 22:38:32-GMT,2269;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21146 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA28428 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:32:37 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken97.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28425 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:32:35 -0400 Received: from GALIANO (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05628; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Mike Sosteric Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: test and how to make bookmarks References: <14327.41914.668057.655324@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> <14327.45138.48114.733453@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14327.54068.234334.714698@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> X-Attribution: JMK X-URL: From: Jody Klymak Date: 03 Oct 1999 15:32:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: Mike Sosteric's message of "Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:05:40 -0600 (MDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk How about you send a minimal example that does not work and include your version number. This will help people greatly in telling you whats wrong. hyperref is the way to do these things and it requires almost no special fiddling. Cheers, Jody >>>>> "MS" == Mike Sosteric writes: MS> yes I know that. But I can't get it to work. I have it MS> generating a regular toc using MS> \addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Untowning Hartwick: MS> Restructuring...} MS> but its not coming up with bookmarks. MS> mike -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu (206)-685-9080 http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ 3-Oct-1999 22:58:24-GMT,1920;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21550 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA28598 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:50:32 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28595 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:50:30 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11XuSU-00038u-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:50:22 +0100 Received: from max69.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.69] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XuST-0000yc-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:50:22 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <14327.56995.531922.634749@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:54:27 +0100 (BST) To: thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr Cc: skirsch@t-online.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Article about pdfTeX in c't In-Reply-To: <37F7C207.95C4CE78@ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <19991002202900.C621@moebius.priv> <14327.44492.578927.761362@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37F7C207.95C4CE78@ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by tug.org id SAA28596 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > Sebastian Rahtz a écrit: > > With the latest dvipdfm, it is actually hard to see much difference > > for normal people. > > How is the ``links across line or page breaks'' problem handled? Not sure _how_, but Mark says he has done it, in the current release. Sebastian 3-Oct-1999 22:59:14-GMT,1940;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21582 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA28537 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:26 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28534 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:45:24 -0400 Received: from remote142-4.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.4] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11XuNT-0001S9-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 00:45:13 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991004003918.3667ec78@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:39:18 +0200 To: Mike Sosteric , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: test and how to make bookmarks In-Reply-To: <14327.54068.234334.714698@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> References: <14327.41914.668057.655324@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> <14327.45138.48114.733453@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 16:05 03.10.1999 -0600, Mike Sosteric wrote: > >yes I know that. But I can't get it to work. I have it generating a >regular toc using > >\addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Untowning Hartwick: Restructuring...} > >but its not coming up with bookmarks. You have to compile twice: The first run generates the file `\jobname.out', in the second run the bookmarks are made. An uptodate hyperref is available at http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip Yours sincerely Heiko 3-Oct-1999 23:53:33-GMT,2823;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22612 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA29165 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:46:55 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (24.66.219.88.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.219.88]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29162 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:46:53 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09648 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:53:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14327.60528.103923.970759@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:53:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Sosteric To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: test and how to make bookmarks Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "JMK" == Jody Klymak writes: Thanks to Jody, we seem to have located the problem. When apparantely \section*{Discussion} (with teh *) turns of numbering and consequently the list for the toc. This LaTeX line \addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Discussion} add it back in (without the number). But hyperref does not read the \addcontentsline. So the question is is there an equiv. command for hyperref that adds a TOC entry? mike JMK> How about you send a minimal example that does not work and JMK> include your version number. This will help people greatly JMK> in telling you whats wrong. hyperref is the way to do these JMK> things and it requires almost no special fiddling. JMK> Cheers, Jody >>>>> "MS" == Mike Sosteric writes: MS> yes I know that. But I can't get it to work. I have it MS> generating a regular toc using MS> \addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Untowning Hartwick: MS> Restructuring...} MS> but its not coming up with bookmarks. MS> mike JMK> -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate JMK> University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu JMK> (206)-685-9080 JMK> http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ -- Mike Sosteric Editor, EJS Department of Global and Social Analysis Executive Director, ICAAP Department of Educational Technology Athabasca University -- This troubled planet is a place of the most violent contrasts. Those that receive the rewards are totally separated from those who shoulder the burdens. It is not a wise leadership - Spock, "The Cloud Minders." 4-Oct-1999 1:03:08-GMT,1527;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23945 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA29420 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:49:02 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA29417 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:48:59 -0400 Received: from remote142-33.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.33] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11XwJC-00020H-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:48:56 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991004024621.21974084@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 02:46:21 +0200 To: Mike Sosteric , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: test and how to make bookmarks In-Reply-To: <14327.60528.103923.970759@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 17:53 03.10.1999 -0600, Mike Sosteric wrote: >\addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Discussion} > >add it back in (without the number). But hyperref does not read the >\addcontentsline. [...] You are using an old version of hyperref. Yours sincerely Heiko 4-Oct-1999 2:48:45-GMT,2149;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25956 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29787 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:44:10 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (24.66.219.88.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.219.88]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29784 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:44:06 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15666 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:50:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.5625.176218.579068@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:50:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Sosteric To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: questions Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk 1) I am able to turn of paragraph indents for paragraphs in the body with \\setlength{\\parindent}{$paragraph_indent} but how do I turn it off for the abstract environment \begin{abstract}. And how do I set the look of the word "abstract" in the title? 2) where can I find the commands to insert graphics in the pdf (gif, png, jpg, etc.)? 3) many of the documents I'm transforming don't distinguish between open and close quotations instead just using the straigh " on both side (e.g., "this is a quote"). When output in pdflatex, I get right close quotes on both sides. (e.g., ''this is a wrong way to quote'') Is there a fix for this? tia -- Mike Sosteric Editor, EJS Department of Global and Social Analysis Executive Director, ICAAP Department of Educational Technology Athabasca University -- This troubled planet is a place of the most violent contrasts. Those that receive the rewards are totally separated from those who shoulder the burdens. It is not a wise leadership - Spock, "The Cloud Minders." 4-Oct-1999 7:27:22-GMT,2293;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01874 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA31513 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:19:59 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31510 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:19:57 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.68]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6FE7; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:19:24 +0200 Message-ID: <37F7E71D.28DA7294@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:30:37 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrice POPINEAU CC: Laurent Siebenmann , lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910030359.FAA23533@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > > Laurent Siebenmann writes: > > > > I would also welcome information about why the full > > > functionality of pdfTeX cannot be duplicated by a dvi driver > > > > The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful, even just as a > > waystation to PDF. I am not quite convinced that pdfTeX can > > accomplish significantly more. > > Just think about the HZ algorithm for example ... And speed. I just processed a few 40 Meg pdf files with 50-100K hyperlinks, and I don't even want to think about tex->dvi->ps->pdf or tex->dvi->pdf. Actually I don't even have the disk space for the intermediate files on my laptop. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Oct-1999 7:27:31-GMT,3055;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01886 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA31522 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:20:32 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31519 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:20:31 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.68]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAE68; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:19:58 +0200 Message-ID: <37F7FC60.385436C3@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 02:01:20 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurent Siebenmann CC: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910030359.FAA23533@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > As the name AcroDVI suggests, Acrobat Reader is henceforth a DVI > viewer (under MSWindows only, for the while). It puts Acrobat Reader on > a level playing field with DVI viewers --- in a competition that AR > sometimes wins and sometimes loses. Also, the compactness of DVI > versus PDF is something to consider. When you announced it some time ago I gave it a try and downloaded it. When I saw the install script installing fonts I quicky aborted the process and deleted the files. Too much overhead in bytes and files. I had expected a few hundred K plugin, since the fonts are normally already on the users system, and I definitely don't want conflicting fonts. Also, given that (unless you use cmr only) dvi is not portable (at least not dvi 2), I fear that pdf is better than small dvi when moving files around. When it comes to previewing, most dvi viewers are much faster than acrobat and have better font rendering and gs is better in graphics than acrobat, apart from the fact that acrobat 4 is pretty memory hungry. So, I personally still prefer dvi for previewing and testing (in dvi viewers) and pdf in the final stage (gs and acrobat). Do you think acrodvi can be packaged in a few 100 k zip? I really want to give it try, but no fonts please. > The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful, even just as a Since there is no standard on specials, they (specials) are no better than new primitives. Hans (DVI is not yet that dead, see the tk based dvi viewer, dvi 3 coming, etc). ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Oct-1999 7:27:34-GMT,3403;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01891 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA31518 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:20:07 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31515 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:20:05 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.68]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA8F0; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:19:33 +0200 Message-ID: <37F7EA8E.FAD0B2C@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:45:18 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910030359.FAA23533@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <14327.44818.284263.28130@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful, even just as a > > waystation to PDF. I am not quite convinced that pdfTeX can > > accomplish significantly more. On the other hand, AcroDVI > > accomplishes something pdfTeX does not even attempt. > > can you give some examples? Yes, hard prove please. In general dvi tro pdf deivers should be able to do the same as pdftex and vise versa, but pdftex has one advantage: it's a tex engine and can enhance tex, like hz. > > Do these tools provide a viable alternative to purchasing Adobe's > > Distiller?? My answer is currently NO. I advise optimising every > > PDF file you intend to publish by running it PDF to PS (via PS > > driver) then PS to PDF via Distiller. A typical bulk reduction of > > PDF size is 3-to-2. > > I cannot believe that this preserves any/all of the features of the PDF > file. what do you mean by "via PS driver"? print-to-file? or Export PS? You certainly loose annotations. Furthermore, is distiller already able to smuggle document javascripts into the file? Version 3 definitely not, and version 4 ... (in many aspects, pdftex was the first to provide the framework.). Reminds me: does acrodvi support multiple image resolutions, shading etc? > anyway, why not just load the PDF into Exchange, and the optimize it? > why not use a free-standing optimizer? (which you can write if you > license the PDF Library from Adobe) Indeed. Distiller 3 didn't even optimize. Furthermore, files become larger after optimizations, unless one has redundant images, which is not needed when one uses tex. So, in general (pdf)tex files grow after an optimization, which is ok, due to more structure. Concerning reduction: hyperlinks and alike make up for the bulk. Most of the rest is compressed. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Oct-1999 8:45:57-GMT,2244;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03327 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA32496 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:26:41 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA32493 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:26:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Y3SA-00033g-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:26:38 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Y3SA-0007Ow-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:26:38 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.29381.361638.741901@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:26:29 +0100 (BST) To: mikes@athabascau.ca Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: questions In-Reply-To: <14328.5625.176218.579068@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> References: <14328.5625.176218.579068@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mike Sosteric writes: .... these are not (mostly) pdftex questions. you'll get better answers in general LaTeX forum > but how do I turn it off for the abstract environment > \begin{abstract}. And how do I set the look of the word "abstract" in > the title? that depends on the document class you use > 2) where can I find the commands to insert graphics in the pdf (gif, > png, jpg, etc.)? in any LaTeX book. \includegraphics{foo.png} pdftex does not understand GIF > 3) many of the documents I'm transforming don't distinguish between > open and close quotations instead just using the straigh " on both > side (e.g., "this is a quote"). > When output in pdflatex, I get right close quotes on both sides. > (e.g., ''this is a wrong way to quote'') > > Is there a fix for this? why not fix the document? TeX is giving you what you asked for... sebastian 4-Oct-1999 10:05:06-GMT,2839;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04802 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA00393 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:45:07 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA00390 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:44:43 -0400 Received: from remote142-11.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.11] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Y4f1-0006KY-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:44:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991004112125.35874428@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:21:25 +0200 To: Mike Sosteric , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: questions In-Reply-To: <14328.5625.176218.579068@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 20:50 03.10.1999 -0600, Mike Sosteric wrote: > >1) I am able to turn of paragraph indents for paragraphs in the body >with > >\\setlength{\\parindent}{$paragraph_indent} > >but how do I turn it off for the abstract environment >\begin{abstract}. And how do I set the look of the word "abstract" in >the title? * \begin{abstract}% \hspace*{-\parindent}% cancel this parindent \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}% if you want to cancel % parindent of next paragraphs * \abstractname contains the name ``abstract'' \renewcommand{\abstractname}{AbStRaCt}% for example * If you want to have another formatting of the abstract, then look at the class file and redefine the abstract environment: \renewenvironment{abstract}{...}{...} >2) where can I find the commands to insert graphics in the pdf (gif, >png, jpg, etc.)? graphic{s,x} package: CTAN:macros/latex/required/graphics/ For pdfTeX you need an uptodate pdftex.def file: http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex.def \includegraphics{bla} ==> looks for bla.png, bla.tif, bla.jpg, bla.pdf gif is not supported by pdfTeX. >3) many of the documents I'm transforming don't distinguish between >open and close quotations instead just using the straigh " on both >side (e.g., "this is a quote"). \catcode`\"=\active \def"#1"{``#1\string"} % or \long\def, if you want to quote whole paragraphs. Caution: the catcode change is potentially dangereous. Use it after package loading or \begin{document}, or limit its scope with an environment or group. Yours sincerely Heiko 4-Oct-1999 10:54:42-GMT,1536;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05726 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00938 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:43:14 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00934 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:42:59 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id LAA05984; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:35:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:35:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199910041035.LAA05984@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de CC: mikes@athabascau.ca, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.19991004112125.35874428@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> (message from Heiko Oberdiek on Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:21:25 +0200) Subject: Re: questions References: <3.0.1.16.19991004112125.35874428@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > \def"#1"{``#1\string"} If you must do that, don't do that, do this \def"#1"{``#1\string''} although actually it makes more sense just to use an encoding that has the straight quote in the ascii position, eg T1 \documentclass{article} \begin{document} "aaa" ``aaa'' \fontencoding{T1}\selectfont "aaa" ``aaa'' \end{document} Better still, as Sebastian said, would be to fix your input document to use `` and '' David 4-Oct-1999 11:20:53-GMT,2416;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06200 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA01415 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:08:24 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01411 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:08:10 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id NAA28186 ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:08:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA25795; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:08:06 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:08:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910041108.NAA25795@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk me > Do these tools provide a viable alternative to purchasing Adobe's > Distiller?? My answer is currently NO. I advise optimising every > PDF file you intend to publish by running it PDF to PS (via PS > driver) then PS to PDF via Distiller. A typical bulk reduction of > PDF size is 3-to-2. sebastian> I cannot believe that this preserves any/all of the features > of the PDF file what do you mean by "via PS > driver"? print-to-file? or Export PS? anyway, > why not just load the PDF into Exchange, and the optimize it? > why not use a free-standing optimizer? (which you can write if you > license the PDF Library from Adobe) I have no disputute with what Sebastian says here. I was only arguing that Distiller should be in your arsenal to provide the most compact PDF publications. More than half of PDF files I encounter have nothing more than typography and graphics; the recipe I indicated does apply to them. Are there free-standing optimizers available that outperform the recipe I gave? Is the exchange optimization always as good or better? Experiments often yield surprises! Cheers Larry Siebenmann 4-Oct-1999 11:30:50-GMT,3757;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06363 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA01403 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:07:07 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01399 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:07:04 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id NAA28181 ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:06:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA25751; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:06:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:06:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910041106.NAA25751@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk me>> --- DVIPDF and AcroDVI by S. Lesenko (and me where AcroDVI is >> concerned) : This accepts PNG, JPEG, PDF graphics currently. See >> This accepts PNG, JPEG, PDF graphics currently. See >> >> ftp://topo.math.u-psud.fr/pub/tex/ >> >> and also >> >> http://topo.math.u-psud.fr/~lcs/MathCD.html#NEWS SebastianRahtz> I hate to ask, but has dvipdf ever been > released or used by anyone except you and Sergey? > realistically, it _isnt_ a competitor at this > point. Well, Sebastian, I have the pleasure of asking why *you* as an expert on PDF production have not bothered to test dvipdf or even learn about it? It was, as many list members know, released in time for for the Vancouver TUG meeting --- with an adequate posting (loc cit): the last URL above is in the Vancouver preprint about dvipdf/AcroDVI. The u-psud.fr site is quite accessible in Europe. Americans, however, may be defeated by the daytime transatlantic logjam. If list members complain to me, I will quickly provide a North American posting. Sebastian is perhaps chiding Sergey Lesenko for being distinctly the first to launch a dvi-to-pdf converter (in 1996!?) but then painfully slow to release something useful. Part of the explanation lies in the hardships of contemporary Russian life. Sergey earns a bit over a dollar per day in his long-standing physics institute post. So, to survive, moonlighting is necessary. Then comes dvipdf. To top it off, he recently broke a leg. This said, you will not be surprised that some advanced features are still missing from dvipdf. But dvipdf surely involves some excellent programming --- since it is both fast *and* produces reasonably compact PDF. A by-product of the speed is the possibility to parlay dvipdf into the DVI viewer that Sergey and I call AcroDVI. me> On the other hand, AcroDVI > accomplishes something pdfTeX does not even attempt. sebastian > can you give some examples? AcroDVI is the prime example. It has interest even if you are utterly indifferent to the virtues of DVI format. If you propose to distribute a (compiled) extension of the TeX program (e-TeX?), you need a viewer and you will surely have no time to build your own. AcroDVI is a free and autonomous viewer of high performance and higher potential, so with a bit of luck, and *no* outside help, you can cobble together a complete functioning extended TeX system rather quickly. Modularity and unity make uneasy bedfellows. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 4-Oct-1999 11:48:18-GMT,2605;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06716 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA01809 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:32:03 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01806 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:32:01 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Y6LX-0007fj-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:31:59 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Y6LW-0005Uu-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:31:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.40502.838583.981155@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:31:50 +0100 (BST) To: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts In-Reply-To: <199910041106.NAA25751@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910041106.NAA25751@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > Well, Sebastian, I have the pleasure of asking why *you* as an > expert on PDF production if only I was :-} > have not bothered to test dvipdf or even learn about it? because I have not seen it announced anywhere > The u-psud.fr site is quite accessible in Europe. since I have no interest in DVI format, I would not normally have followed anything tagged "AcroDVI" having downloaded the thing, I see that it only seems to contain an executable of dvipdf compiled for Windows, so its not much use to man or beast, is it? > Sebastian is perhaps chiding Sergey Lesenko for being > distinctly the first to launch a dvi-to-pdf converter (in > 1996!?) but then painfully slow to release something useful. indeed. > sebastian > can you give some examples? > > AcroDVI is the prime example. ok. understood. > It has interest even if you are > utterly indifferent to the virtues of DVI format. yup, thats me > If you propose to distribute a (compiled) extension of the TeX > program (e-TeX?), you need a viewer and you will surely have > no time to build your own. i'd use pdfetex > Modularity and unity make uneasy bedfellows. where did Confucius say that? sebastian 4-Oct-1999 11:48:39-GMT,2048;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06726 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA01844 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:35:39 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01840 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:35:37 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Y6P2-0007lG-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:35:36 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Y6P2-0007HF-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:35:36 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.40720.851697.502249@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:35:28 +0100 (BST) To: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts In-Reply-To: <199910041108.NAA25795@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910041108.NAA25795@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > I was only > arguing that Distiller should be in your arsenal to provide > the most compact PDF publications. I agree. everyone should have Distiller to hand. an excellent, useful bit of software > Are there free-standing optimizers available that outperform > the recipe I gave? the recipe you gave would destroy the useful content in any modern PDF file > Is the exchange optimization always as > good or better? Experiments often yield surprises! if the surprise is "look Mum, no links!", its one I'd rather forego. but then I would not use PDF for Web publication anyway. thats what god gave us XML for. Sebastian 4-Oct-1999 12:14:47-GMT,2176;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07217 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02147 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:01:25 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA02139 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:01:04 -0400 Received: from remote142-10.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.10] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Y6n4-0000c9-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:00:27 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991004135441.355fe792@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:54:41 +0200 To: David Carlisle From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: questions Cc: mikes@athabascau.ca, pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199910041035.LAA05984@nag.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.16.19991004112125.35874428@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <3.0.1.16.19991004112125.35874428@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 11:35 04.10.1999 +0100, David Carlisle detected my nonsense: > >> \def"#1"{``#1\string"} >If you must do that, don't do that, do this > >\def"#1"{``#1\string''} The \string is now obsolete: \def"#1"{``#1''} >Better still, as Sebastian said, would be to fix your input document >to use `` and '' It depends on the input document: * It consumes much time to correct this manually with large text documents and many occurences of quotes. * Automatically conversions with editor functions or perl scripts are not easy, because the quotes can cross lines. * Why an additional conversion step, if this task can by done by TeX easily? * Especially if the definition is not \long, TeX provides a simple error check, if an unmatched quote exist in a paragraph. Yours sincerely Heiko 4-Oct-1999 7:27:28-GMT,3880;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01881 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA31509 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:19:56 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31506 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 03:19:54 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.68]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5DD8; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:19:16 +0200 Message-ID: <37F7E50D.AC4AF0D4@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:21:49 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ross Moore Subject: Re: pdftex under OSF1/Digital Unix/TrUnix ends with memory exhausted References: <199910021028.UAA00820@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Ross, > > > Do article threads work now ? More than one on a page ? > > > (Is \pdfendthread redundant now ? ) > > > > Implementing threads are up to the macros package writer. The main > > reason behind removing the rather fuzzy automatic mechanism was that > > only the macro packages knows the details (for instance the multi column > > boxes). There is no way pdtex could know this. No guess is better than a > > bad guess. > > I don't understand this. > How can the absolute position on the page be known at the macro level? > Not even the size can be known until after paragraphs are set. The problem is that tex/pdftex has to do a good job. Tex is not build around guesses. The thread mechanism is a guess for two reasons: (1) the specs are fuzzy, especially the relation way the viewer does the job and (2) when a tread passes a page border, the typesetting engine should have knowledge about the relevant part of the pags (in annotations we're dealing with absolute positions). TeX itself lacks any knowledge on the main text flow, that is, the exact position where things will end up: it's the output routine that handles this, especially the so called pagebody routine. And, because the pagebody deals with those finished pieces of text, it can also best deal with the threads. > Can you provide an example of the type of macro coding that you > envision for doing this? I'd really like to get this feature > working, if at all possible. Threads should be applied to boxes, like page boxes, column boxes, or whatever. > With v0.14b, the file primitives.lst still lists \pdfendthread > as a primitive, but there is no implementation of it. > There is code to handle a pdf_thread_node whatsit, but it's not > at all clear (at least not to me) when this is called, or how > its information can be accessed using macros. Thread should be handled like user annotations and widgets: the macros should pass the right information. > > ...No guess is better than a > > bad guess. > > That's unfortunate. Yes, but if tex had been completely build upon guesswork ... > Heiko had a Perl script to clean-up some of the bad guess-work. > Now it can do nothing, for there are no identifiable places > to be cleaned-up. As said, only the macro package has the knowledge. Threads should be hooked into the output routine and multi column routines. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Oct-1999 13:51:15-GMT,2100;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09256 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA03376 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:29:11 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03373 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:29:08 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Y8At-0006hq-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:29:07 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Y8As-0003yg-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:29:06 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.47531.32602.818028@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:28:59 +0100 (BST) To: oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de Cc: mikes@athabascau.ca, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19991004135441.355fe792@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3.0.1.16.19991004112125.35874428@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <3.0.1.16.19991004135441.355fe792@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek writes: > >Better still, as Sebastian said, would be to fix your input document > >to use `` and '' > > It depends on the input document: > > * It consumes much time to correct this manually with large text > documents and many occurences of quotes. not half as much time as it takes to work around the `error' for the rest of the document's life > * Why an additional conversion step, if this task can by done > by TeX easily? if you want to live in a TeX ghetto :-} I want my documents `right', up-front, not depending on whether I have implemented an error-recovery further down the line Sebastian 4-Oct-1999 13:52:04-GMT,2901;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09267 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA03395 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:34:10 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (24.66.219.88.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.219.88]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03391 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:34:08 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16033; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:40:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14328.44612.542110.290133@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Sosteric To: Heiko Oberdiek Cc: David Carlisle , mikes@athabascau.ca, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: questions Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Heiko" == Heiko Oberdiek writes: This is actually the situatin. it is not 'a' document, it is about 300. I didn't pay much attention to the quotations in the initial conversion because up till now I didn't have to. So, while it would be trivial to change one document, changing 300 is not, at this time, an option. But this is not because it couldn't be done. Multiple line matches in perl are very easy. The problem, I think, would be having to make sure the new quotes match up in that many documents. NOt a pleasant prospect mike >> Better still, as Sebastian said, would be to fix your input >> document to use `` and '' Heiko> It depends on the input document: Heiko> * It consumes much time to correct this manually with large Heiko> text documents and many occurences of quotes. Heiko> * Automatically conversions with editor functions or perl Heiko> scripts are not easy, because the quotes can cross lines. Heiko> * Why an additional conversion step, if this task can by Heiko> done by TeX easily? Heiko> * Especially if the definition is not \long, TeX provides a Heiko> simple error check, if an unmatched quote exist in a Heiko> paragraph. Heiko> Yours sincerely Heiko -- Mike Sosteric Editor, EJS Department of Global and Social Analysis Executive Director, ICAAP Department of Educational Technology Athabasca University -- This troubled planet is a place of the most violent contrasts. Those that receive the rewards are totally separated from those who shoulder the burdens. It is not a wise leadership - Spock, "The Cloud Minders." 4-Oct-1999 13:58:44-GMT,1530;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09407 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA03459 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:39:16 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03455 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:39:12 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id OAA21656; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:35:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:35:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199910041335.OAA21656@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: mikes@athabascau.ca CC: oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <14328.44612.542110.290133@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> (message from Mike Sosteric on Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: questions References: <14328.44612.542110.290133@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > The problem, I think, would be having to make sure > the new quotes match up in that many documents. In that case use T1 encoding and get straight quotes. since this is the pdftex list, beware that the default T1 encoded computer modern fonts are ec fonts which are not freely available in type1 form. You can use the ae package to get round this or use a font set other than computer modern, eg \usepackage{times} David 4-Oct-1999 14:12:53-GMT,5536;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09753 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA03609 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:57:58 -0400 Received: from exchnts01fm.fm.novanthealth.org ([170.98.60.110]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03606 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:57:56 -0400 Received: from vasili.rlf.org (VASILI [170.98.28.66]) by exchnts01fm.fm.novanthealth.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 4GYAWHVT; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:50:43 -0400 Received: (from tporter@localhost) by vasili.rlf.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09925 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:57:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:57:09 -0400 From: Thomas Porter To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: confusion over what graphics formats can be included in pdftex doc? Message-ID: <19991004095709.A9909@vasili.rlf.org> Reply-To: txporter@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am using pdftex 14.c, and newest context, and teTeX > 1.0x I have installed a new pdftex.def to make the graphics package compatible with newest pdftex. When I run context to produce pdf output with texexec --pdf on a file hat includes a figure 'cd.eps' context complains that the figure was not found. Running texexec to produce dvi gives no such error. So I thought this was a pdftex related thing. I wrote to context list and was told that pdftex does not support figures other than in pdf format, yet I thought I had seen references that stated that newest pdftex handled other graphics formats OK. This poor newbie is confused. I can post my context logs up if that will help. If I replaced the pdftex.def used by the graphics package, to I need to regenerate any formats or some such. I _did_ do a texhash. Any help and clarification welcome. A simple test file to run under pdflatex to test figure inclusion would be nice too. Thanks, Tom Porter context log follows: ------ This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-14c-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.1) (format=cont-en 1999.9.29) 4 OCT 1999 09:42 entering extended mode **&cont-en figs (figs.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg} ConTeXt ver: 1999.9.13 fmt: 1999.9.29 int: english mes: english system : cont-new loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex! ) system : cont-old loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex loading : Context Old Macros ) system : cont-fil loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex loading : Context File Synonyms ) system : cont-sys loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/config/cont-sys.tex) bodyfont : 12pt rm is loaded specials : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded \openout2 = `figs.tui'. system : cont-opt loaded (cont-opt.tex specials : tex,postscript,rokicki is reset specials : loading definition file tpd (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex specials : loading definition file fdf (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex ) specials : fdf loaded ) specials : fdf,tpd loaded ) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) (./figs.tuo) systems : begin file figs at line 1 figures : figure cd can not be found (./figs.tuo) Overfull \hbox (73.08269pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 2--6 []\font\ A fig-ure in run-ning text: []If you don't use tex-ex-ec, don't for-ge t to run \font\ texutil.pl[]--figures\font\ . \hbox(18.95923+2.66666)x426.78743, glue set - 1.0 .\hbox(0.0+0.0)x0.0 .\font\ A .\glue 3.91663 plus 1.95634 minus 1.30684 .\font\ ^^L (ligature fi) .\font\ g .etc. figures : figureobject cd.eps is reused figures : figure figdemo can not be found floatblocks : 1 placed (./figs.tuo) figures : figure mouse can not be found floatblocks : 2 placed figures : figureobject mouse.eps is reused [1.1{/usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/pdftex.map}] systems : end file figs at line 31 ) Here is how much of TeX's memory you used: 921 strings out of 33518 11315 string characters out of 172904 291930 words of memory out of 1100001 20798 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+15000 10900 words of font info for 39 fonts, out of 200000 for 1000 22 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000 62i,16n,83p,182b,690s stack positions out of 1500i,500n,1500p,50000b,5000s Output written on figs.pdf (1 page, 30577 bytes). ------ -- Tom Porter txporter@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." 4-Oct-1999 15:35:30-GMT,2280;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12008 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA04138 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:04:44 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04135 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:04:39 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.245]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA66CF; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:03:52 +0200 Message-ID: <37F8AFBE.8035BB27@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:46:38 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurent Siebenmann CC: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910041106.NAA25751@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > If you propose to distribute a (compiled) extension of the TeX > program (e-TeX?), you need a viewer and you will surely have > no time to build your own. AcroDVI is a free and autonomous > viewer of high performance and higher potential, so with a bit > of luck, and *no* outside help, you can cobble together a > complete functioning extended TeX system rather quickly. (1) What does a viewer has to do with etex? And, an extension adding features to DVI, would certainly need an extended DVI viewer. I fear I miss the point. (2) Unfortunately DVI is not autonomous; how about distributing a polish DVI file using plr fonts or in plain english using lucida's? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Oct-1999 17:15:54-GMT,2169;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14965 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA04984 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:45:45 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04980 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:45:36 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.68]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA42FD; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:45:00 +0200 Message-ID: <37F8E719.2B003C68@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:42:49 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: txporter@mindspring.com CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: confusion over what graphics formats can be included in pdftex doc? References: <19991004095709.A9909@vasili.rlf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thomas Porter wrote: > I wrote to context list and was told that pdftex does not support figures other > than in pdf format, yet I thought I had seen references that stated that newest > pdftex handled other graphics formats OK. Only pdf, png, jpg and tif. For eps you need to convert the image to pdf first. pdfTeX does no have a ps interreter built in. > This poor newbie is confused. I can post my context logs up if that will help. > If I replaced the pdftex.def used by the graphics package, to I need to > regenerate any formats or some such. I _did_ do a texhash. Context is unrelated to the latex suite. It has its own graphics inclusion built in. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Oct-1999 18:08:21-GMT,2133;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16743 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA05486 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:36:49 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken97.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05483 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:36:47 -0400 Received: from GALIANO (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26369; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:36:45 -0700 (PDT) To: txporter@mindspring.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: confusion over what graphics formats can be included in pdftex doc? References: <19991004095709.A9909@vasili.rlf.org> From: "Jody M. Klymak" X-Home-Page: http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ Organization: APL/School of Oceanography, UW X-Attribution: JMK Date: 04 Oct 1999 10:36:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: Thomas Porter's message of "Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:57:09 -0400" Message-ID: <905jjadu.fsf@apl.washington.edu> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Thomas, >>>>> "TP" == Thomas Porter writes: TP> I wrote to context list and was told that pdftex does not TP> support figures other than in pdf format, yet I thought I had TP> seen references that stated that newest pdftex handled other TP> graphics formats OK. Well, those guys on the Context list are pretty smart. They're right - you cannot include EPS figures, you must convert them to PDF first using Distiller or epstopdf. Cheers, Jody -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu (206)-685-9080 http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ 4-Oct-1999 20:09:23-GMT,2226;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20244 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA06185 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:30:57 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06182 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:30:45 -0400 Received: from max94.public.ox.ac.uk (max94.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.94]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA16476; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:30:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:28:38 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Hans Hagen cc: txporter@mindspring.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: confusion over what graphics formats can be included in pdftex doc? In-Reply-To: <37F8E719.2B003C68@wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Hans Hagen wrote: > Thomas Porter wrote: > > > I wrote to context list and was told that pdftex does not support figures other > > than in pdf format, yet I thought I had seen references that stated that newest > > pdftex handled other graphics formats OK. > > Only pdf, png, jpg and tif. For eps you need to convert the image to pdf > first. pdfTeX does no have a ps interreter built in. Perhaps to avoid confusing newbies, we ought to say that only some versions of pdftex have supported tif (and I think this is still the case), and as `tif' is none too well defined, only some parts of the set of possible tif `standards'. The one example I tried from our scanner driver failed, but conversion to png led to success. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 4-Oct-1999 20:51:32-GMT,2579;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21473 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06515 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:30:28 -0400 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.21]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06512 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:30:21 -0400 Received: from sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE via smtp-local with ESMTP; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:30:02 +0200 Received: from rigel.univie.ac.at (dial-143141.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.143.141]) by sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22635 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:29:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (sx0005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.univie.ac.at (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16903 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:51:03 GMT To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref + Babel From: Werner LEMBERG X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Reply-To: Werner LEMBERG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991004215102N.sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:51:02 GMT X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 42 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk [In case you have received a similar mail already please ignore. I've misconfigured my new `mew' mailer so I have to rewrite some mails.] I'm wondering how to improve the interface between hyperref and Babel (for reference: I'm using Babel 3.6x and hyperref 6.56). Consider the following: ... \usepackage[german]{babel} \usepackage{hyperref} ... \chapter{Die neue Auf"|lage} ... To make bookmarks work as expected, I have to define the following before loading hyperref: \def\pdfstringdefPreHook{% \declare@shorthand{german}{"|}{} } To do this in a systematic way, I suggest the following: .) hyperref needs a kind of \addtoPreHook macro so that users can safely add stuff to the hook. .) Something like \pdfstringdefGlobalPreHook and \pdfstringdefLocalPreHook would be useful to make language switching easier. .) Either hyperref or Babel should provide a suite of default pdfstring settings for all language shorthands, automatically activated with language switching. Werner 5-Oct-1999 0:40:00-GMT,3752;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27008 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA07532 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:34:51 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA07528 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:34:49 -0400 Received: from remote142-44.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.44] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YIZ0-0002NG-00; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:34:42 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991005022216.3337690a@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 02:22:16 +0200 To: Werner LEMBERG , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyperref + Babel In-Reply-To: <19991004215102N.sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 21:51 04.10.1999 GMT, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >[In case you have received a similar mail already please ignore. I've > misconfigured my new `mew' mailer so I have to rewrite some mails.] > >I'm wondering how to improve the interface between hyperref and Babel >(for reference: I'm using Babel 3.6x and hyperref 6.56). > >Consider the following: > > ... > \usepackage[german]{babel} > \usepackage{hyperref} > ... > \chapter{Die neue Auf"|lage} > ... Use hyperref 6.66h and you only get a warning that "\kern 0.29999pt" is removed, but the bookmark is ok. >To make bookmarks work as expected, I have to define the following >before loading hyperref: > > \def\pdfstringdefPreHook{% > \declare@shorthand{german}{"|}{} > } This will remove the warning, too. It is better to use \pdfstringdefDisableCommands (see below). >To do this in a systematic way, I suggest the following: > >.) hyperref needs a kind of \addtoPreHook macro so that users can > safely add stuff to the hook. Already available: \pdfstringdefDisableCommands >.) Something like \pdfstringdefGlobalPreHook and > \pdfstringdefLocalPreHook would be useful to make language > switching easier. I see no need to differentiate between global and local. >.) Either hyperref or Babel should provide a suite of default > pdfstring settings for all language shorthands, automatically > activated with language switching. hyperref does not see the options of babel. But, for example, \language@group can be checked and all shorthands of that language can be disabled, see test.tex below. Because I'm not very familiar with babel's shorthands, I have two problems: * Is the \language@group check sufficient? * I need help for other languages than english or (n)german. %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% \documentclass{article} \usepackage[german]{babel} \usepackage{hyperref} \makeatletter % english: nothing to do \def\HyPsd@babelshorthands@german{% \declare@shorthand{german}{"|}{}% \declare@shorthand{german}{"f}{f}% \declare@shorthand{german}{"~}{-}% } \def\HyPsd@babelshorthands@ngerman{% \declare@shorthand{german}{"|}{}% \declare@shorthand{german}{"~}{-}% } \pdfstringdefDisableCommands{% for testing only \@nameuse{HyPsd@babelshorthands@\language@group}% } \makeatother \begin{document} \section{B"a"cker Schi"ffahrt Auf"|lage} \section{"s "S "z "Z} \section{"c "C "l "L "f "F} \section{[:"|] [:"-] [:""] [-:"~] [-:"=]} \end{document} %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% Yours sincerely Heiko 5-Oct-1999 1:22:15-GMT,1549;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27916 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA07798 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:16:43 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA07795 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:16:41 -0400 From: tim@maths.tcd.ie Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 5 Oct 1999 02:16:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: questions In-Reply-To: <14328.44612.542110.290133@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> from Mike Sosteric at "Oct 4, 1999 07:40:20 am" To: mikes@athabascau.ca Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:16:37 +0100 (BST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL49 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <199910050216.aa12423@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > This is actually the situatin. it is not 'a' document, it is about > 300. I didn't pay much attention to the quotations in the initial > conversion because up till now I didn't have to. So, while it would be > trivial to change one document, changing 300 is not, at this time, an > option. Did anyone suggest something like the following? \catcodede`\"=\active \def"#1"{``#1''} [completely untested] 5-Oct-1999 2:13:19-GMT,1289;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29064 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA08238 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:03:22 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA08235 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:03:20 -0400 From: tim@maths.tcd.ie Received: from lanczos.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 5 Oct 1999 03:03:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: questions In-Reply-To: <199910050216.aa12423@boole.maths.tcd.ie> from "tim@maths.tcd.ie" at "Oct 5, 1999 02:16:37 am" To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:03:18 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL49 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <199910050303.aa02030@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Did anyone suggest something like the following? > > \catcode`\"=\active > \def"#1"{``#1''} Apologies ... I see that much wiser heads have given much better answers. 5-Oct-1999 2:51:05-GMT,1893;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29876 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA08483 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:46:58 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA08480 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:46:56 -0400 Received: from remote142-16.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.16] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YKcu-000394-00; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:46:52 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991005044256.08af7d24@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 04:42:56 +0200 To: Werner LEMBERG , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyperref + Babel In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19991005022216.3337690a@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> References: <19991004215102N.sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 02:22 05.10.1999 +0200, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: >At 21:51 04.10.1999 GMT, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> >>.) Either hyperref or Babel should provide a suite of default >> pdfstring settings for all language shorthands, automatically >> activated with language switching. For some languages (danish, dutch, finnish, german, portugese, slovene, swedish, ukrainian, usorbian) support of shorthands is added in version 6.66i: http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip For other languages such as french, spanish, turkish, ... I need help. Yours sincerely Heiko 5-Oct-1999 6:40:33-GMT,2440;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04862 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 00:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA09793 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:33:48 -0400 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.21]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA09790 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:33:46 -0400 Received: from sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE via smtp-local with ESMTP; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:33:29 +0200 Received: from rigel.univie.ac.at (dial-143129.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.143.129]) by sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11150 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:33:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (sx0005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.univie.ac.at (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19178 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:15:31 GMT To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref + Babel From: Werner LEMBERG In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19991005022216.3337690a@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> References: <19991004215102N.sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> <3.0.1.16.19991005022216.3337690a@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Reply-To: Werner LEMBERG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991005071531H.sx0005@sx2.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:15:31 GMT X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 17 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > >.) Something like \pdfstringdefGlobalPreHook and > > \pdfstringdefLocalPreHook would be useful to make language > > switching easier. > I see no need to differentiate between global and local. I have not yet looked into your latest hyperref version (thanks a lot for the quick implementation), but I can imagine that some shorthands in one language are valid input characters in another, so globally disabling commands might not always be optimal. For example, activating German should add the `"' shorthands, and activating Polish should deactivate the German settings but activate Polish specialties. The correspondings Babel hooks are \extras and \noextras. Werner 5-Oct-1999 12:34:51-GMT,2094;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11316 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA11669 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:17:29 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11666 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:17:28 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.144]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA275C; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:16:55 +0200 Message-ID: <37F9F984.8E3EE86D@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:13:40 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: pdf viewer in java Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I will not elaborate too much in the 5 hours I spent on getting it to work (incompatible java run time evironments, buggy java installation programs, downloads that suddenly abort, having to reinstall netscape, restart windows a few times etc etc), but when one wants to go to this trouble, there is a pdf viewer available at the adobe site, written in java. First comments: slightly better graphics (esp rules), no fonts, or partial fonts, lots of disk access, slow, slow, slow, bad luck for the czech, because the system csr fonts are reported buggy, the same for cmr multiple masters, etc etc, but given that it's beta, we may expect this to be solved. Now we only need a real java plug in! Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Oct-1999 2:59:41-GMT,2031;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02695 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA16128 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:50:17 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (24.66.219.88.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.219.88]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16125 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:50:15 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17634 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:56:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14330.47711.349415.173822@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:56:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Sosteric To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: graphics Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "David" == David Carlisle writes: Here is a question re graphics formats. I know it only has marginal relevance to the list, but it does relate to pdflatex cause I need to make some intelligent decisions re graphics formats. I want to be able to include graphics in pdf files. Often these are taken from screen shots (of tables and stuff), sometimes they are photos, etc. I am thinking that it would be best to use EPS (post script?) if possible. Specailly, I think, for Black and white graphics. For some reason, one perons' idea of white is not another person's idea and its difficult to get tables and other graphics with white background to look good in applications with a white background. anyway, my question, is it possible to easily convert from jpg/png and related formats into post script or other Latex native formats. Forgive the naivette of the question, but graphics is one of my weaker areas (Perl on the other hand is a strong suite). mike 6-Oct-1999 6:27:59-GMT,3887;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07065 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA18330 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:18:44 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA18322 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:18:40 -0400 Received: from max159.public.ox.ac.uk (max159.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.159]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA19264; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:19:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:17:14 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Mike Sosteric cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: graphics In-Reply-To: <14330.47711.349415.173822@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Mike Sosteric wrote: > >>>>> "David" == David Carlisle writes: [Looks as if he didn't write any of this, or I am very confused.] > Here is a question re graphics formats. I know it only has marginal > relevance to the list, but it does relate to pdflatex cause I need to > make some intelligent decisions re graphics formats. > > I want to be able to include graphics in pdf files. Often these are > taken from screen shots (of tables and stuff), sometimes they are > photos, etc. I am thinking that it would be best to use EPS (post > script?) if possible. Specailly, I think, for Black and white > graphics. For some reason, one perons' idea of white is not another > person's idea and its difficult to get tables and other graphics with > white background to look good in applications with a white > background. > > anyway, my question, is it possible to easily convert from jpg/png and > related formats into post script or other Latex native LaTeX has no native formats: drivers such as dvips do and David's graphics tools support the inclusion of different ones for different drivers. > formats. Forgive the naivette of the question, but graphics is one of > my weaker areas (Perl on the other hand is a strong suite). Yes, it is very easy. However, if you want to include `graphics' (that is bitmap images, not vector graphics) in pdftex, it is best to use png, or for photos perhaps jpeg (depending on the content and how they are scanned). Conversion tools I have used include xv (Unix/Linux, shareware) and convert from ImageMagick (free, also works on Windows NT) and netpbm (free, Unix and Windows), to both eps and png. I have never seen any problems with white backgrounds: surely white is a well-defined colour? Maybe your screenshots are not truly white? In any case, mapping the background `white' to transparent can solve this. I have hundreds of such figures in books, on-line complements on the Web and in teaching material in both PS and PDF. The only problems I have encountered were a few large screenshots that had been converted gif -> eps -> pdf (latter by gs or Distiller) that could be viewed on their own but crashed pdftex. This was a year or so ago, and I switched to gif -> png and have had no further problems with subsequent examples. Ditto with including scanned images (tiff -> png in xv: I failed with a tif-enabled pdftex, as there many varieties of tiff). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 6-Oct-1999 10:34:00-GMT,2045;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11363 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 04:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA23082 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:01:07 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23079 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:01:05 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.52]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2D6F; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:00:32 +0200 Message-ID: <37FB1A15.8636BC18@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:44:53 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Sosteric CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: graphics References: <14330.47711.349415.173822@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mike Sosteric wrote: > script?) if possible. Specailly, I think, for Black and white > graphics. For some reason, one perons' idea of white is not another > person's idea and its difficult to get tables and other graphics with > white background to look good in applications with a white > background. I think png is better for black and white. PNG would suit pdftex as well as easy conversion to PS. > anyway, my question, is it possible to easily convert from jpg/png and Yes, using GS / imagemagick (convert), and other tools (like bitmap image editing programs), Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Oct-1999 10:35:14-GMT,1463;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11529 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 04:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA23176 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:13:14 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23145 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:13:10 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13126; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08501; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:12:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910061012.MAA08501@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: looking for an account under Digital Unix To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX), cstex@cs.felk.cvut.cz (CSTeX list) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:12:57 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am looking for access to Digital Unix (perhaps for a couple of days) in order to trace down a prolem with pdftex. Is anyobdy who could help me with that? Many thanks in advance. Thanh 6-Oct-1999 13:41:43-GMT,6529;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14875 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA25875 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:10:29 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25872 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:10:21 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id PAA14992 ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:10:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA08079; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:10:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:10:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk *** Hans' first (non-)encounter with AcroDVI *** Hans wrote concerning the dvipdf/AcroDVI distribution on:- ftp://topo.math.u-psud.fr/pub/tex/ > When you announced it some time ago I gave it a try > and downloaded it. When I saw the install script > installing fonts I quicky aborted the process and > deleted the files. Too much overhead in bytes and > files. I had expected a few hundred K plugin, since > the fonts are normally already on the users system, > and I definitely don't want conflicting fonts. ** Concerning "too much overhead in bytes and files" Adobe has a new more compact packaging for Type 1 fonts, so I dare hope that the consumption of "bytes" will diminish in a year or so. On the other hand, I suspect you are joking, dear Hans, since, with apparent satisfaction, you later say: > I just processed a few 40 Meg pdf files with 50-100K > hyperlinks... If you expect to mill several times 40 tons of grain can you reasonably complain that your mill weigns 10 tons? I am as irritated as you, Hans, by TeX systems that are huge simply because they stubornly refuse to use preexisting fonts! If there is any such refusal by dvipdf, we will fix the bug! ** Concerning conflicting fonts: That criticism was a bit hasty since our notice concerning installation stated clearly:- >> AcroDVI and dvipdf can be conveniently de-installed >> by just deleting the installed "dvipdf" directory. Perhaps Sergey and I should have been more precise. The automated installation process for dvipdf/AcroDVI will modify the behavior of NOTHING WHATSOEVER outside of dvipdf/AcroDVI itself. Our architecture is thus even less invasive than the plugin architecture you were expecting (on the basis of our 1998 Euro-TeX note) In particular, dvipdf/AcroDVI does not require that its fonts be installed in the Windows OS; initially they are known only to dvipdf/AcroDVI, but you can install them in anything you want, if you want, and when you want. Sergey is of the opinion that if we had set up the distribution for hand installation (it's not hard), Windows users would not even consider installing it. It is said that Windows users were the first to be trained to compulsively place themselves at the mercy of installers; there must be immense masochistic pleasure. (Alas, most other OSs have now aligned themselves with Windows.) Leaving out Malyshev's BaKoMa fonts is not sensible for the vast majority of users. These fonts are decidedly the most complete set of Type 1 fonts available in the Computer Modern style, and they are not yet widely distributed. You get some nice sidekick fonts too like the rsfs (script) and the LamsTeX arrow fonts and the XY fonts. Private use is free. Publication of PDF files requires a $15 shareware fee to Malyshev for individuals, and $100 for commercial publishers. Since we include the fonts, AcroDVI is a "plug-and-play" DVI viewer. Notice that, in using AcroDVI or in publishiung DVIs for it, you incur no charge for the BaKoMa fonts. > Also, given that (unless you use cmr only) dvi is not > portable (at least not dvi 2), I fear that pdf is > better than small dvi when moving files around. Scientific elecronic publication is 98% CM. For the other 2% use another format like PDF or wait for DVI3 which we will obviously endeavor to support. > gs is better in graphics than acrobat Interesting. Which sort of graphics? Your assertion is highly platform dependent since, on Macintosh, gs is cannot hold a candle to AR graphics. >> The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful > > Since there is no standard on specials, they (specials) > are no better than new primitives. No, there is a difference. An unimplemented special is normally allowable in a DVI file. For example, Sergey Lesenko has not found the time to implement the html style of hyperreference (while Wicks has, to his great credit, just done that). The saving grace is that those hyperspecials can and will be waiting there in the DVI files of many scientific articles and will come to life in any DVI viewer if and when it implements them. I am not aware of a similar notion of "special" in PDF that would let us gracefully anticipate future improvements of PDF viewers ... > And speed. I just processed a few 40 Meg pdf files > with 50-100K hyperlinks, and I don't even want to think > about tex->dvi->ps->pdf or tex->dvi->pdf. Actually I > don't even have the disk space for the intermediate > files on my laptop. It is true that, for PDF production from ".tex" source, pdftex logically *should* win the race against (tex+dvipdf) --- but given your "I don't even want to think" I would be interested in seeing some benchmarks. I expect pdftex's winning margins (if any) to be narrow since dvipdf will usually process 30 or more pages per sec on a recent pentium. That is 1800 pages per minute. Hans, you will not yet like dvipdf/AcroDVI --- since it does not yet adequately support the advanced PDF capabilities that are the bread and butter of Pragma production. Hopefully it will one day serve your purposes. It is already useful for run-of-the-mill science with graphics. Cheers Larry Siebenmann PS. Incidentally, what is the HZ algorithm (mentioned by Fabrice POPINEAU). References? 6-Oct-1999 16:10:42-GMT,2331;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18844 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26293 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:24:27 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken96.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26289 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:24:25 -0400 Received: from GALIANO (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10488; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:24:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Laurent Siebenmann Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> From: "Jody M. Klymak" X-Home-Page: http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ Organization: APL/School of Oceanography, UW X-Attribution: JMK Date: 06 Oct 1999 08:24:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: Laurent Siebenmann's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:10:01 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Larry, Forgive my ignorance - this is my first encounter with dvipdf. Does it propogate the hyperlinks that hyperref can put in our pdf files? Does it make bookmarks? Just curious - for me the advantage of pdftex is its ability to make a flat document more interactive, otherwise there are perfectly adequate ps-pdf converters out there. Is there a web-page (or pdf document) with more information? Cheers, Jody >>>>> "LS" == Laurent Siebenmann writes: LS> *** Hans' first (non-)encounter with AcroDVI *** LS> Hans wrote concerning the dvipdf/AcroDVI distribution on:- LS> ftp://topo.math.u-psud.fr/pub/tex/ -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu (206)-685-9080 http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ 6-Oct-1999 16:18:01-GMT,8946;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19079 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26366 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:36:43 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26363 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:36:35 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.217]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAF4C; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:36:01 +0200 Message-ID: <37FB69AE.D93027C5@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:24:30 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurent Siebenmann CC: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > On the other hand, I suspect you are joking, dear Hans, > since, with apparent satisfaction, you later say: > > > I just processed a few 40 Meg pdf files with 50-100K > > hyperlinks... > > If you expect to mill several times 40 tons of grain can > you reasonably complain that your mill weigns 10 tons? I think it is ok to complain when I have cmr fonts on my system and another installation script adds the same files in yet another form. Fonts is already a mess in the tex world, so I hate to make this mess on my system even larger. > I am as irritated as you, Hans, by TeX systems that are > huge simply because they stubornly refuse to use > preexisting fonts! If there is any such refusal by > dvipdf, we will fix the bug! I think it is wise to separate the dvipdf binaries from the fonts. Just package the fonts separately. > ** Concerning conflicting fonts: > > That criticism was a bit hasty since our notice concerning > installation stated clearly:- > > >> AcroDVI and dvipdf can be conveniently de-installed > >> by just deleting the installed "dvipdf" directory. That's what I did -), not because I didn't want to take a look, but because I have some 50 Meg on my machine (laptop) left to play with. I probably have the most minimalistic tex implementation possible -) > Perhaps Sergey and I should have been more precise. The > automated installation process for dvipdf/AcroDVI will > modify the behavior of NOTHING WHATSOEVER outside of > dvipdf/AcroDVI itself. Our architecture is thus even less Yes, but why the fonts? > invasive than the plugin architecture you were expecting (on > the basis of our 1998 Euro-TeX note) In particular, > dvipdf/AcroDVI does not require that its fonts be installed > in the Windows OS; initially they are known only to > dvipdf/AcroDVI, but you can install them in anything you > want, if you want, and when you want. Fonts should be an option. > Sergey is of the opinion that if we had set up the > distribution for hand installation (it's not hard), > Windows users would not even consider installing it. It > is said that Windows users were the first to be trained > to compulsively place themselves at the mercy of > installers; there must be immense masochistic pleasure. > (Alas, most other OSs have now aligned themselves with > Windows.) Well, the first thing that this windows user does when he has a choice, is to make sure as less as possible is installed. I still regret the latest netscape update, since I now cannot longer run two tex jobs and have NS and Acrobat open at the same time on a 32 Meg mem machine. > Leaving out Malyshev's BaKoMa fonts is not sensible for the > vast majority of users. These fonts are decidedly the most > complete set of Type 1 fonts available in the Computer Modern > style, and they are not yet widely distributed. You get some > nice sidekick fonts too like the rsfs (script) and the > LamsTeX arrow fonts and the XY fonts. Private use is free. > Publication of PDF files requires a $15 shareware fee to > Malyshev for individuals, and $100 for commercial publishers. Well, I think most users on this list have the public cmr fonts on their system, so if you aim at this public, you'd better not include the Bakoma's. When you browse the pdftex list archive, you will notice that there has been problems with these fonts, so this is why I don't want to spoil my system. > Since we include the fonts, AcroDVI is a "plug-and-play" DVI > viewer. Notice that, in using AcroDVI or in publishiung DVIs > for it, you incur no charge for the BaKoMa fonts. Yes, but is it also plug and play when I distribute files with lucida's, the nice polish antikwa's, czech or polish fonts, taco's zilions of math fonts? How many users stick to pure cmr? > > Also, given that (unless you use cmr only) dvi is not > > portable (at least not dvi 2), I fear that pdf is > > better than small dvi when moving files around. > > Scientific elecronic publication is 98% CM. For the other > 2% use another format like PDF or wait for DVI3 which > we will obviously endeavor to support. Most publishers use times, not cmr. > > gs is better in graphics than acrobat > > Interesting. Which sort of graphics? Your assertion is All graphics. > highly platform dependent since, on Macintosh, gs is cannot > hold a candle to AR graphics. I yesterday indeed saw good graphics on a mac. Windows users are left in the shade by adobe (although, photoshop has a pretty good PS renderer). > >> The "DVI-with-\special's" paradigm is powerful > > > > Since there is no standard on specials, they (specials) > > are no better than new primitives. > > No, there is a difference. An unimplemented special is > normally allowable in a DVI file. For example, Sergey > Lesenko has not found the time to implement the html style of > hyperreference (while Wicks has, to his great credit, just > done that). The saving grace is that those hyperspecials can > and will be waiting there in the DVI files of many scientific > articles and will come to life in any DVI viewer if and when > it implements them. I am not aware of a similar notion of > "special" in PDF that would let us gracefully anticipate > future improvements of PDF viewers ... PDF viewers are expected to silently ignore anything they don't understand. Unfortunately some don't. > > And speed. I just processed a few 40 Meg pdf files > > with 50-100K hyperlinks, and I don't even want to think > > about tex->dvi->ps->pdf or tex->dvi->pdf. Actually I > > don't even have the disk space for the intermediate > > files on my laptop. > > It is true that, for PDF production from ".tex" source, > pdftex logically *should* win the race against (tex+dvipdf) > --- but given your "I don't even want to think" I would be > interested in seeing some benchmarks. I expect pdftex's > winning margins (if any) to be narrow since dvipdf will > usually process 30 or more pages per sec on a recent > pentium. That is 1800 pages per minute. Well, given that my pages are often rather complicated, say 1500 pages per minute, which makes on some job I ran last monday 6 docs, 20.000 pages, on not so recent pentium, say 500 pages per minute, equals 40 minutes. Actually, I don't care that much about the minutes (because these tex jobs took some 15 hours anyway), but I don't want the --in this case-- 150 Meg overhead on my already overloaded laptop. > Hans, you will not yet like dvipdf/AcroDVI --- since it does > not yet adequately support the advanced PDF capabilities > that are the bread and butter of Pragma production. > Hopefully it will one day serve your purposes. It is > already useful for run-of-the-mill science with graphics. Well, in most cases I think the dvi-pdf drivers are rather compatible with pdftex. There are I think some areas uncovered (yet), but I lack the time to test this. Furthermore, only context uses these features, so for most people using tex, pdftex and dvi->pdf programs are both ok. It's just a matter of taste (and, personally, I like the idea that more ways lead to rome, and I really like the efforts!). Actually, I do have a context dvipdf driver here, but never came to finish it. > PS. Incidentally, what is the HZ algorithm (mentioned by > Fabrice POPINEAU). References? www.pragma-ade.nl -> pdftex -> hz gives you an impression. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Oct-1999 16:38:42-GMT,2799;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19816 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA26494 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:03:49 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26491 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:03:43 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11YtXG-00044J-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:03:22 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11YtXG-0000a0-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:03:22 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14331.32941.885485.191592@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:02:37 +0100 (BST) To: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr Cc: lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts In-Reply-To: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > Leaving out Malyshev's BaKoMa fonts is not sensible for the > vast majority of users. These fonts are decidedly the most > complete set of Type 1 fonts available in the Computer Modern > style, and they are not yet widely distributed. eh? which distribution does not include them? > You get some > nice sidekick fonts too like the rsfs (script) and the > LamsTeX arrow fonts and the XY fonts. these are not from Basil, surely? > Private use is free. > Publication of PDF files requires a $15 shareware fee to > Malyshev for individuals, and $100 for commercial publishers. per document? per year? once? come on, this is unreal.... Basil Malyshev explicitly told me earlier this year that the few BaKoMa fonts needed to fill the gaps in the Blue Sky/Y&Y collection were complete freely distributable and useable. > Scientific elecronic publication is 98% CM. If I say to you "Scientific elecronic publication is 98% Times-Roman", will you take me to court? Its just a nonsensical claim. If you replace "scientific" with "mathematical academic", maybe we could agree on 60%? > it implements them. I am not aware of a similar notion of > "special" in PDF that would let us gracefully anticipate > future improvements of PDF viewers ... there are similar things, actually, from memory. PDF is user-extensible. sebastian 6-Oct-1999 16:39:39-GMT,2056;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19835 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:39:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA26584 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:20:24 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26580 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:20:23 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.58]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3B3E; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:19:46 +0200 Message-ID: <37FB842D.54A8F09E@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:17:33 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <14331.32941.885485.191592@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > it implements them. I am not aware of a similar notion of > > "special" in PDF that would let us gracefully anticipate > > future improvements of PDF viewers ... > > there are similar things, actually, from memory. PDF is > user-extensible. Actually, pdftex could support some pdf things even before adobe programs could! And I would not be surprised if I could come up with more examples than some past ones. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Oct-1999 17:07:33-GMT,2607;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20671 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA26629 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:27:01 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26626 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:26:59 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Yttx-0006ky-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:26:49 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yttw-0001U7-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:26:48 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz Message-ID: <14331.34348.450855.259173@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:26:04 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org cc: mwicks@kettering.edu Subject: pdftex speed and capacity In-Reply-To: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > interested in seeing some benchmarks. I expect pdftex's > winning margins (if any) to be narrow since dvipdf will > usually process 30 or more pages per sec on a recent > pentium. That is 1800 pages per minute. That sounds on the slow side. must be complex pages. I just tried to process a trivial 78000 page document with pdftex and with latex + dvipdfm. pdftex bombs out with ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [indirect objects table size=65536] does anyone know which constant to enlarge? is this a PDF limit? dvipdfm just silently stopped after page 12843. Lowering my sights to 10000 pages, my run times are latex/dvipdfm 18:05:11 - 18:05:36 pdftex 18:05:06 - 18:05:34 so pdftex lost the race by a hair (28 seconds instead of 25 seconds). If I make the 10000 pages a bit more complex, pdftex is clearly in the lead (81 megabyte PDF file, by the way, as the result): latex+dvipdfm: 18:09:30 - 18:17:20 pdftex: 18:09:28 - 18:15:53 pdftex finishing 1.5 minutes before latex/dvipdfm. either way, doing 1000 pages in 6-7 minutes is still pretty impressive (even if the page only conists of $e=mc^2$ hello \textbf{no} why \raisebox{2mm}{xxx} 32 times... Sebastian 6-Oct-1999 17:45:19-GMT,1630;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21849 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:45:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA27195 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:11:44 -0400 Received: from data.ecora.com (IDENT:root@d-229.man.ttlc.net [208.130.15.229]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27192 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from data.ecora.com (IDENT:tudor@data.ecora.com [192.168.0.1]) by data.ecora.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA06691 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:11:04 -0400 X-Mailer: 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) (via feedmail 8 I); VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14331.33447.285603.442506@data.ecora.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Tudor Hulubei To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: images in pdf files Reply-To: Tudor Hulubei Organization: ecora.com Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to include pictures in pdf documents created with pdftex. Could someone please give me a hint? I would like to generate documentation _including images_ in texinfo format and then convert it to ps/html/pdf and at this point I have no idea if it is possible to include images with pdftex in pdf documents. Thank you, Tudor 6-Oct-1999 17:49:38-GMT,1587;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21965 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA27163 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:09:04 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27160 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:09:02 -0400 Received: from max131.public.ox.ac.uk (max131.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.131]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA00566; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:06:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:04:14 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Laurent Siebenmann cc: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts In-Reply-To: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This used to be the pdftex list, not the DVIPDF(m) list. Can we keep it that way? -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 6-Oct-1999 19:42:08-GMT,2321;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25055 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA29554 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:19:38 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29551 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:19:32 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Ywau-0000no-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:19:20 +0100 Received: from max45.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.45] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Ywat-0001OP-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:19:20 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14331.39211.627965.872308@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:47:07 +0100 (BST) To: jklymak@apl.washington.edu Cc: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts In-Reply-To: References: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jody M. Klymak writes: > Forgive my ignorance - this is my first encounter with dvipdf. Does > it propogate the hyperlinks that hyperref can put in our pdf files? hyperref used to have a dvipdf backend, but I disabled it because dvipdf did not seem to be released, and I assumed Sergey had abandoned it. When Sergey and I last looked at this a few years ago, dvipdf had most of the necessary hooks, so I could resurrect the hyperref support if dvipdf becomes popular. Since dvipdfm came out, I assume the demand for dvipdf has largely fallen away, apart from experiments like the Acrodvi stuff of Larry and Sergey. not to see that I would not be very happy to see a full release of dvipdf in a state where it could go on the next TeX Live CD-ROM (which would mean an open source release) Sebastian 6-Oct-1999 19:44:51-GMT,1999;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25101 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA29559 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:20:26 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29556 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:19:57 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11YwbR-0001yN-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:19:53 +0100 Received: from max45.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.45] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11YwbQ-00057P-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:19:53 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14331.41376.298374.270622@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:23:12 +0100 (BST) To: tudor.hulubei@ecora.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: images in pdf files In-Reply-To: <14331.33447.285603.442506@data.ecora.com> References: <14331.33447.285603.442506@data.ecora.com> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tudor Hulubei writes: > I was wondering if it is possible to include pictures in pdf documents > created with pdftex. Could someone please give me a hint? > thats why god gave you the documentation and FAQ at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex > I would like to generate documentation _including images_ in texinfo > format and then convert it to ps/html/pdf and at this point I have no > idea if it is possible to include images with pdftex in pdf documents. it is, very simply. pdftex supports PDF, PNG, JPEG and TIFF formats sebastian 6-Oct-1999 19:54:14-GMT,2293;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25379 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA29819 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:33:10 -0400 Received: from ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.18]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29816 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:33:07 -0400 Received: from msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca [131.104.32.59]) by ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20059 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910061933.PAA20059@ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca> Received: from MSNET/SpoolDir by msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (Mercury 1.40); 6 Oct 99 15:30:45 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by MSNET (Mercury 1.40); 6 Oct 99 15:30:32 -0500 From: "William R. Smith" Organization: Math & Stats, University of Guelph To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:30:30 -500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: images in pdf files In-reply-to: <14331.33447.285603.442506@data.ecora.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In the preamble: \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} an example (with some spacing options) in the source file \mbox{\hspace{-0.25in}\includegraphics[angle=-90,scale=.95]{fig.pdf}} or include a .png file using \mbox{\hspace{1.5in}\includegraphics{graph.png}} > > Hi, > > I was wondering if it is possible to include pictures in pdf documents > created with pdftex. Could someone please give me a hint? > > I would like to generate documentation _including images_ in texinfo > format and then convert it to ps/html/pdf and at this point I have no idea > if it is possible to include images with pdftex in pdf documents. > > Thank you, > Tudor > Best Regards, W. R. Smith, Professor Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics and School of Engineering University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, CANADA N1G 2W1 Tel: 519-824-4120, ext. 3038; FAX: 519-837-0221; 7-Oct-1999 2:01:53-GMT,1587;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04116 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA01518 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:53:50 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01515 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:53:48 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20955; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:53:43 -0400 To: Prof Brian D Ripley Cc: Laurent Siebenmann , lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts References: From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 06 Oct 1999 21:53:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Prof Brian D Ripley's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:04:14 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Prof Brian D Ripley writes: > This used to be the pdftex list, not the DVIPDF(m) list. Can we keep it > that way? I don't know--I'm learning interesting, relevant stuff. The subject is tagged properly. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 7-Oct-1999 7:48:57-GMT,2112;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11347 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA03643 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:38:05 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA03640 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:38:02 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.227]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4262; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:37:30 +0200 Message-ID: <37FC5287.3AD81E11@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 08:57:59 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org, mwicks@kettering.edu Subject: Re: pdftex speed and capacity References: <199910061310.PAA08079@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <14331.34348.450855.259173@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > pdftex bombs out with > > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [indirect objects table size=65536] > > does anyone know which constant to enlarge? is this a PDF limit? Present since long, first added by fabrice while thanh was in the us, later moved into pdftex: obj_tab_size = 200000 can be pretty large, larger than pdf specs, used to be 250K untill Frame needed more, so they enlarged the barier. > $e=mc^2$ hello ... Ah, so you expect tex some day to process with the speed of light. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Oct-1999 9:01:55-GMT,2254;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12616 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 03:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA04060 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:40:24 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA04057 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:40:22 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11Z960-00043L-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:40:16 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Z95z-0001HE-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:40:15 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14332.27219.692436.800145@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:39:31 +0100 (BST) To: mwicks@kettering.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex speed and capacity In-Reply-To: References: <14331.34348.450855.259173@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mark A. Wicks writes: > The page count field in the DVI file is only 2 bytes wide, but TeX seems > happy to write DVI files with more than 65535 pages. sigh. I suppose I should have known that > pdftex stops on page 15729 with > > [15727] [15728] [15729 > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [indirect objects table size=65535]. > > This is not a PDF limit as Hans says, that can be reset in the texmf.cnf file. > Regarding the other issue in Sebastian's message (speed), Sebastian is > correct that pdftex's PDF generation is somewhat faster than dvipdfm in > many situations. with either system, the fact that you can typeset a 65000 page document in a few minutes is pretty wonderful..... hands up all those who have ever made a real life document of 65000 pages? sebastian 7-Oct-1999 10:44:31-GMT,1735;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14446 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 04:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA04724 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:24:52 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA04721 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:24:48 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04922; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:24:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01318; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:24:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910071024.MAA01318@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex speed and capacity In-Reply-To: <14332.27219.692436.800145@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> from Sebastian Rahtz at "Oct 7, 99 10:39:31 am" To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:24:45 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > Regarding the other issue in Sebastian's message (speed), Sebastian is > > correct that pdftex's PDF generation is somewhat faster than dvipdfm in > > many situations. btw, pdftex speed is heavily depended on used compression level. Setting \pdfcompresslevel to 0 or 1 could make pdftex run a lot faster in many cases. Thanh 7-Oct-1999 12:03:02-GMT,1542;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15828 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA05118 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:33:06 -0400 Received: from admin.di.fc.ul.pt (admin.di.fc.ul.pt [194.117.22.41]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA05115 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:33:03 -0400 Received: from di.fc.ul.pt (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.di.fc.ul.pt (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27681 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:33:00 +0100 Message-ID: <37FC84EB.A3FF8E3@di.fc.ul.pt> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:33:00 +0100 From: Nuno Miguel Neves X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: PostScript Images Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to generate a pdf document from a tex source that include PostScript figures. However, pdftex says it doesn´t know the .ps extension as an image. Can anyone help me? How can I tell pdftex that the ps extension is an image? Thanks. -- nneves@di.fc.ul.pt Dept. Informatica, Fac. Ciencias, |\ | |\ | Tel: +351 1 7500058 Univ. Lisboa, Bloco C5, Campo Grande | \|uno | \|eves Fax: +351 1 7500084 1700 Lisboa, Portugal 7-Oct-1999 16:03:42-GMT,1906;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21127 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA06610 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:34:37 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06607 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:34:35 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.23]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4EEE; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:34:02 +0200 Message-ID: <37FC9E39.8E34A15D@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:20:57 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: mwicks@kettering.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex speed and capacity References: <14331.34348.450855.259173@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14332.27219.692436.800145@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > hands up all those who have ever made a real life document of 65000 > pages? I must disappoint you. Out biggest single file document was some 27000 pages with over half a million hyperlinks made in those distiller version 1 days. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Oct-1999 18:49:33-GMT,2193;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25352 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA07835 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:13:11 -0400 Received: from exchnts01fm.fm.novanthealth.org ([170.98.60.110]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07832 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:12:56 -0400 Received: from vasili.rlf.org (VASILI [170.98.28.68]) by exchnts01fm.fm.novanthealth.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 4KG03M22; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:05:16 -0400 Received: (from tporter@localhost) by vasili.rlf.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29183 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:11:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:11:47 -0400 From: Thomas Porter To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex speed and capacity Message-ID: <19991007141147.A29160@vasili.rlf.org> Reply-To: txporter@mindspring.com References: <14331.34348.450855.259173@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14332.27219.692436.800145@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37FC9E39.8E34A15D@wxs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <37FC9E39.8E34A15D@wxs.nl> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 02:20:57PM +0100, Hans Hagen thoughtfully expounded: > > I must disappoint you. Out biggest single file document was some 27000 > pages with over half a million hyperlinks made in those distiller > version 1 days. I just _have_ to ask: What was this? I can't even imagine 27,000 pages of anything. -- Tom Porter txporter@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." 8-Oct-1999 7:27:24-GMT,3677;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10634 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA26654 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:16:25 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA26651 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:16:22 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.23]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3BE0; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:15:48 +0200 Message-ID: <37FDA608.DC5EF4FB@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:06:32 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: txporter@mindspring.com CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex speed and capacity References: <14331.34348.450855.259173@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14332.27219.692436.800145@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37FC9E39.8E34A15D@wxs.nl> <19991007141147.A29160@vasili.rlf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thomas Porter wrote: > > I must disappoint you. Out biggest single file document was some 27000 > > pages with over half a million hyperlinks made in those distiller > > version 1 days. > > I just _have_ to ask: What was this? I can't even imagine 27,000 pages of > anything. A rather large bibliography, based on a dbase 3 database. The file was so big (pdf version 1 days) that I finally decided to use a more compact representation, using a bit more navigation, which was some 8500 pages, 40 Meg, with tex generated scrollbars and so, resultoing in some 130K annotations. A related document was some 3000 pages with some 50000 annotations, mainly due to some linked list indexes and a lot of toc's. This stuff (1995) is described in: www.pragma-ade.nl/articles/art-beyo.pdf www.pragma-ade.nl/articles/art-typo.pdf The main bottleneck in this project was that it should run with the DOS acrobat reader (which was slow but had a better visual appearance) and another problem was that cdrom drives were not avaiable on the large scale needed to make this effort into a real success. The saving in paper was however tremendous. Another big one (demos can be downloaded from our site) concerns the dutch school examns, a sort of internal demo project. That ons has some 20 files, each some 2000-2500 pages, totaling to a few 100 meg, many hyperlinks, sometimes rather nasty tex (selective paragraph typesetting with referenced line numbers and so), and in its last incarnation, some 2000 widgets per file, which enables you to make selections, submit them to our server, and get typeset A4 files back. A screen document takes 2 to 3 times as much space as an A4 (we always generate both, and cross link them with selective printing options), partly due to a surplus of navigational elements. We have some samples on our site, but we cannot post the 'real' ones that we made for publishers. Most documents we produce are handbooks (QA, manuals, etc) and journal like things. I hope this answers your question a bit, Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Oct-1999 17:37:51-GMT,1629;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22192 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA16991 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:07:06 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16986 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:07:01 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27049 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:06:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA27428 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:06:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910081706.TAA27428@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.14c To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:06:58 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, pdftex-0.14c is available at ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex: pdftex-djgpp.zip pdftex-linux.zip pdftex-solaris.zip pdftexsrc.tgz tetexsrc-supp.tgz These files are also downloadable from http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/download/pdftex Changes: * fixed problem with t1 fonts that have /Subrs with zero size * don't write /Encoding dict for TrueType fonts Thanh 8-Oct-1999 17:49:21-GMT,2787;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22437 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA17290 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:35:05 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17287 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:35:02 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id TAA14241 ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:31:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA09361; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:31:12 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:31:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910081731.TAA09361@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: jklymak@apl.washington.edu, lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: DVIPDF(m) and cohorts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Jody Klymak, > Hi Larry, > > Forgive my ignorance - this is my first encounter with dvipdf. Does > it propogate the hyperlinks that hyperref can put in our pdf files? > Does it make bookmarks? Just curious - for me the advantage of pdftex > is its ability to make a flat document more interactive, otherwise > there are perfectly adequate ps-pdf converters out there. Is there a > web-page (or pdf document) with more information? > > Cheers, Jody As Sebastian mentioned, dvipdf was successfully working with his hypertex package way back; the two went out of synch for some minor reason but that could hopefully be fixed in short order (right Sebastian??). I am not sure about bookmarks since I have not been involved with specials that are specific to PDF. However Lesenko, like Wicks, has been very intent on supporting the PDF features that are unique to PDF. Most of them, if not all! Lesenko has just gotten back onto his both legs and should be able to answer your mail soon, although after 5 weeks laid up, he must have hundreds of messages to read/answer. > Is there a web-page (or pdf document) with more information? There are a couple of articles to read right in the dvipdf/AcroDVI distribution. You will read in the Vancouver article that in designing AcroDVI we were concentrating on special syntaxes that are "consensual" and potentially applicable to any viewer. For example, for AcroDVI, the hDVI special syntax of Smith has priority over the "pdfmark" syntax originally used by dvipdf or pdftex. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 8-Oct-1999 18:10:19-GMT,3790;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22892 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24083 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:55:22 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24080 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:55:19 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24435; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:55:09 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pcrb (Courier bold) using teTeX 0.9 From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 08 Oct 1999 13:55:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: Hans Hagen's message of "Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:18:25 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 81 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all. I am trying something new: using one of the postscript fonts, Adobe's Courier bold. I was pleased to find that it worked as expected when I was at home. At home I have a teTeX 1.0 source installation. Now I'm at work, and the simple test file below is failing with pdftex but succeeding for tex --> dvips. Is this a problem with the pdftex in teTeX 0.9: kali:6:ecashin forms$ pdftex --version pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c kpathsea version 3.3 ... ... or is it something I'm missing? I'm hoping it's the latter. Here's my four-line test case, along with some output from tex, pdftex, and friends: % begin psfont.tex \font\testfont=pcrb {\testfont who what when} \bye tetex-0.9-17 tetex-afm-0.9-17 tetex-doc-0.9-17 tetex-dvilj-0.9-17 tetex-dvips-0.9-17 tetex-latex-0.9-17 tetex-xdvi-0.9-17 ----------using TeX to dvi to PostScript: cd ~/src/tex/test/psfonttest/ make -k tex psfont.tex < /dev/null This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.3) (psfont.tex [1] ) Output written on psfont.dvi (1 page, 264 bytes). Transcript written on psfont.log. dvips -o psfont.ps psfont This is dvips(k) 5.85 Copyright 1999 Radical Eye Software (www.radicaleye.com) ' TeX output 1999.10.08:1346' -> psfont.ps <8r.enc>. [1] Compilation finished at Fri Oct 8 13:46:30 ----------using pdfTeX: cd ~/src/tex/test/psfonttest/ make -k psfont.pdf pdftex psfont.tex < /dev/null This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13c (Web2C 7.3) (/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg) (psfont.tex Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n ohyphenation, loaded. [1< /usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/context.map>] ) Warning: pdftex (file pcrb8r): Font pcrb8r at 600 not found Output written on psfont.pdf (1 page, 5906 bytes). Transcript written on psfont.log. Compilation finished at Fri Oct 8 13:45:09 -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 9-Oct-1999 6:03:00-GMT,2946;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06660 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA06663 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:58:55 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA06660 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:58:51 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03545; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:58:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37FED9CB.C1B59121@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:59:39 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ed L. Cashin" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pcrb (Courier bold) using teTeX 0.9 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Ed L. Cashin" wrote: > Hello all. I am trying something new: using one of the postscript > fonts, Adobe's Courier bold. I was pleased to find that it worked as > expected when I was at home. At home I have a teTeX 1.0 source > installation. Now I'm at work, and the simple test file below is > failing with pdftex but succeeding for tex --> dvips. > .... > > This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13c (Web2C 7.3) > (/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg) (psfont.tex > Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n > ohyphenation, loaded. > > [1 f/dvips/config/acrobat-ext-urw-kb.map> urw-kb.map> re/texmf/dvips/config/mathtimesupp-std-adobe-buildin.map> s/config/bsr.map> e/texmf/dvips/config/hoekwater.map>< > /usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/context.map> br.map> ig/mathpi.map> ps/config/omega.map> /dvips/config/xypic.map>] ) > Warning: pdftex (file pcrb8r): > Font pcrb8r at 600 not found > This message indicates that pdftex is looking for a pk file, which means that it didn't find pcrb8r mentioned in any of the map files it read. I suggest you compare the contents of the map files for the two installations. Bob Howlett 9-Oct-1999 9:04:13-GMT,1606;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09622 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA07150 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:59:48 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA07147 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:59:43 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24659 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:59:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37FF0434.E854E5F7@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:00:36 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: compactness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, In a recent message Laurent Siebenmann referred to "the compactness of DVI versus PDF". I had always thought that the difference in size between dvi and pdf files for the same tex document derives mainly from the fact that the pdf file has font information embedded in it. Of course, one wants fonts embedded to ensure portability, but compressed fontless pdf files are quite compact, I believe. Does anyone have any facts and figures at hand on this point? Bob Howlett 9-Oct-1999 13:40:45-GMT,4068;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13834 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 07:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA08001 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:36:07 -0400 Received: from nova.kettering.edu (nova.kettering.edu [192.138.137.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07998 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:36:05 -0400 Received: from odo.kettering.edu (odo.kettering.edu [198.110.4.84]) by nova.kettering.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00451; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mwicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by odo.kettering.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20055; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:35:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark A. Wicks" To: Robert Howlett cc: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: compactness In-Reply-To: <37FF0434.E854E5F7@mail.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Robert Howlett wrote: > In a recent message Laurent Siebenmann referred to "the compactness > of DVI versus PDF". I had always thought that the difference > in size between dvi and pdf files for the same tex document derives > mainly from the fact that the pdf file has font information embedded > in it. Of course, one wants fonts embedded to ensure portability, > but compressed fontless pdf files are quite compact, I believe. > Does anyone have any facts and figures at hand on this point? The DVI format is a *very* compact format and is very good at what it does, which is represent B&W documents without graphics. It was designed in the days when disk storage was very expensive. PDF is a very versatile, but fairly verbose format. Much of the document structure is represented in rather verbose ASCII. It does have Flate compression going for it, but that doesn't help in many situations. Here are the results from a 100 page document with about one paragraph of English text on each page, and *no* embedded fonts in the PDF document. Keep in mind that the PDF document uses Flate compression while the DVI file does not. 78 -rw-r--r-- 1 mwicks users 78020 Oct 9 08:27 size2.dvi 107 -rw-r--r-- 1 mwicks users 107550 Oct 9 09:00 size2.pdf The main thing that PDF has going for it is that the page contents can be compressed with Flate compression, which helps a lot. However, the page contents that actually get compressed are quite verbose ASCII commands. For example, here's a sample PDF stream: BT/F1 9.96 Tf 76.71 -62.76 TD[(Here)-349(is)-348(some)-349(random)-349(te)14(xt)-348(to)-349... This sample contains: A font change (11 or 12 bytes vs. 1 byte in DVI) A (x,y) relative motion (16-18 bytes vs. 4-8 bytes in DVI) Horizontal spaces between words and kerns (6 bytes vs 1 byte in DVI). On top of this, Flate compression can be applied to the page contents, but cannot be applied to the overall structural information in a PDF document. In a PDF document, every page starts out with an incompressible structure such as 173 0 obj << /ProcSet [/PDF /Text] /Font << /F16 5 0 R >> >> endobj 174 0 obj << /Type /Page /Contents 175 0 R /Resources 173 0 R /MediaBox [0 0 595.27 841.89] /Parent 156 0 R >> endobj 179 0 obj << /Length 180 0 R >> That's about 200 bytes per page and doesn't include the pointers to this object in the xref table. The overhead per page in DVI file is about 46 bytes per page, I believe. ______________________________________________________________________ Mark A. Wicks mwicks@kettering.edu ECE Department, Kettering University Voice: (810) 762-7992 1700 West Third Ave, Flint, MI 48504-4898 Fax: (810) 762-9830 9-Oct-1999 14:01:05-GMT,1469;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14164 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA08106 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:56:45 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08103 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:56:44 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04819; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:56:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07378; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:56:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910091356.PAA07378@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: use of writet1.zip with dvips To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:56:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: cstex@cs.felk.cvut.cz (CSTeX list) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I uploaded writet1.zip, an archive containing files needed for using module writet1 with dvips to: http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/download/pdftex ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex Thanh 9-Oct-1999 15:07:16-GMT,3381;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15222 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08493 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:02:46 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08490 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:02:42 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04204; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:02:31 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37FF5944.AD066902@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:03:32 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark A. Wicks" CC: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: compactness References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks. So about 20% difference -- I guess that has to be considered a substantial amount, but at least they are the same order of magnitude. Bob ------- "Mark A. Wicks" wrote: > > ... Here are the results from a 100 page > document with about one paragraph of English text on each page, and *no* > embedded fonts in the PDF document. Keep in mind that the PDF document uses > Flate compression while the DVI file does not. > > 78 -rw-r--r-- 1 mwicks users 78020 Oct 9 08:27 size2.dvi > 107 -rw-r--r-- 1 mwicks users 107550 Oct 9 09:00 size2.pdf > > The main thing that PDF has going for it is that the page contents can be > compressed with Flate compression, which helps a lot. However, the page > contents that actually get compressed are quite verbose ASCII commands. > For example, here's a sample PDF stream: > > BT/F1 9.96 Tf 76.71 -62.76 > TD[(Here)-349(is)-348(some)-349(random)-349(te)14(xt)-348(to)-349... > > This sample contains: > > A font change (11 or 12 bytes vs. 1 byte in DVI) > A (x,y) relative motion (16-18 bytes vs. 4-8 bytes in DVI) > Horizontal spaces between words and kerns (6 bytes vs 1 byte in DVI). > > On top of this, Flate compression can be applied to the page contents, > but cannot be applied to the overall structural information in a PDF > document. In a PDF document, every page starts out with an incompressible > structure such as > > 173 0 obj << > /ProcSet [/PDF /Text] > /Font << /F16 5 0 R >> > >> endobj > 174 0 obj << > /Type /Page > /Contents 175 0 R > /Resources 173 0 R > /MediaBox [0 0 595.27 841.89] > /Parent 156 0 R > >> endobj > 179 0 obj << > /Length 180 0 R > >> > > That's about 200 bytes per page and doesn't include the pointers to this > object in the xref table. The overhead per page in DVI file is about 46 > bytes per page, I believe. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Mark A. Wicks mwicks@kettering.edu > ECE Department, Kettering University Voice: (810) 762-7992 > 1700 West Third Ave, Flint, MI 48504-4898 Fax: (810) 762-9830 9-Oct-1999 17:00:50-GMT,1458;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17192 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08985 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:54:31 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08982 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:54:30 -0400 From: tim@maths.tcd.ie Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 9 Oct 1999 17:54:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: compactness In-Reply-To: from "Mark A. Wicks" at "Oct 9, 1999 09:35:58 am" To: mwicks@kettering.edu Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:54:28 +0100 (BST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL49 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <199910091754.aa44852@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > The main thing that PDF has going for it is that the page contents can be > compressed with Flate compression, which helps a lot. I suppose one could Flate compress DVI equally well ... or even better. I assume it would only take a minor modification to xdvi, etc, to deal with compressed DVI. 9-Oct-1999 18:42:59-GMT,1889;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18913 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA09468 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:31:21 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09465 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:31:20 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS ([209.61.75.126]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07011 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.10.19991009142325.01e45948@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.10 (Beta) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:29:57 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: compactness In-Reply-To: <199910091754.aa44852@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Somehow I don't think anyone is going to worry too much about the relative size of DVI and PDF files given the rapid changes in availablility of large storage capacity and higher bandwidth. Without figures and fonts, files in both formats will be relatively small. I don't think anyone will base a choice of DVI versus PDF on file size. A very important factor IMHO is the availability of easy to install free reader for PDF. Installing Acrobat Reader e.g. is a "no brainer". If you want to put PDF files on the web and want people to be able to read them you pretty much just have to put a link to the Adobe site. No need to explain TeX to them. -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 9-Oct-1999 20:23:53-GMT,2461;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20595 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA09807 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:18:24 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09804 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:18:22 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.30]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA42DD; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:17:46 +0200 Message-ID: <37FFAF5F.7955282A@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:10:55 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: compactness References: <37FF0434.E854E5F7@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > In a recent message Laurent Siebenmann referred to "the compactness > of DVI versus PDF". I had always thought that the difference > in size between dvi and pdf files for the same tex document derives > mainly from the fact that the pdf file has font information embedded > in it. Of course, one wants fonts embedded to ensure portability, > but compressed fontless pdf files are quite compact, I believe. > Does anyone have any facts and figures at hand on this point? DVI is an opcode system, pretty binary, and very compact. PDF is more verbose, but the main text stream can be compressed which saves quite some bytes. So, given that fonts and graphics are included, pdf is not that much larger than dvi. Concerning verboseness, including specials with verbose text is just are as space consuming as the verbose obj/annot/state additions of pdf. So, in practice the differences in size are (in my opnion and experiences), not that impresive. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Oct-1999 2:12:51-GMT,6207;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26249 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA10402 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:08:30 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA10399 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:08:24 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id EAA16386 ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:08:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id EAA10435; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:08:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:08:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: capacity & speed & compactness Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans> And speed. I just processed a few 40 Meg pdf files > with 50-100K hyperlinks, and I don't even want to think > about tex->dvi->ps->pdf or tex->dvi->pdf. Actually I > don't even have the disk space for the intermediate > files on my laptop. Larry> It is true that, for PDF production from ".tex" source, > pdftex logically *should* win the race against (tex+dvipdf) > --- but given your "I don't even want to think" I would be > interested in seeing some benchmarks. I expect pdftex's > winning margins (if any) to be narrow since dvipdf will > usually process 30 or more pages per sec on a recent > pentium. That is 1800 pages per minute. Sebastian> I just tried to process a trivial 78000 page document with > pdftex and with latex + dvipdfm. > > pdftex bombs out with > > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [indirect objects table size=65536] >does anyone know which constant to enlarge? is this a PDF limit? Was that at page 12464? (see below) > dvipdfm just silently stopped after page 12843. dvipdf and dvips stop at page 12464 with the complaint from dvipdf only: object table overflow -1 -65536 Since many TeXs go far beyond (solaris tex does 78K pages in a flash, and OzTeX gets over 40K pages before collapsing), it would be a very good thing for DVI3 the recommend all DVI-to-anything be able to handle at least 65536 pages. So let us retrench as Sebastian suggests to 10000 pages. I give a 10K page ".tex" file that has as Sebastian demands 32 lines per page each being $e=mc^2$ hello \textbf{no} why \raisebox{2mm}{xxx} I give a compact (reentrant) version of the TeX file below so you too can play around yourselves. Essentially all TeXs compose the "10K_pp.tex" file. An exception is Textures that in version 1.7 bombs impolitely when a limit of about 2700 pages is reached (That is because pages become *DVI Macintosh resources, which can be no more than about 2700 in number.) Result 10K_pp.dvi 14 379 806 octets 10K_pp.dvi.gz 154 624 octets dvips yields 10K_pp.ps 23 864 855 octets 10K_pp.ps.gz 239 647 octets OzTeX and BaKoMa DVIew viewers accept the DVI produced. (Textures Reader bombed in spite of the fact that it accepts real DVI files.) Now the PDF production: Distiller V3 (from .ps) Size: 66 508 151 octets pdf or 745 871 octets pdf.gz Time: 654 sec, by LS on Pentium 200Mhz pdftex 81 megaoctets pdf (from .tex) Time: 470 sec ; by SR on ?????? dvipdfm 81???? megaoctets (from .dvi) Time: 385 sec ; by SR on ?????? dvipdf 8 841 833 octets pdf pdf 727 324 octets pdf.gz Time: 270 sec ; by LS on Pentium 200Mhz Nothing can be concluded about the relative speed performance of Lesenko's dvipdf until Sebastian indicates the microprocessor and clockspeed for his tests. I suggest he also test Distiller on the his machine since the relative speed of Distiller is of paramount importance. However if Sebastian has anything better then my old pentium then dvipdf takes the cake handily --- which makes it clearly the engine of choice for a viewer like AcroDVI. The near ninefold compactness advantage of dvipdf over all 3 competitors is a strange. The near equality of the gz compressed sizes for my two tests suggests that dvipdf is merely doing somewhat more thorough internal compression. But that is a big advantage if you belong to the 95% majority who do not compress PDF. [I personally espouse the unix prejudice that a file is space efficient if it is space efficient when compressed in any portable and time efficient manner --- say by gz. Measure bulk at the gz level!] My guess is that PDF file quality is a WIDE OPEN GAME. I add that Exchange does nil optimization on my 2 PDFs above. My trivial and well known bulk optimization recipe, for all its faults, is the only one in a barren arena. Well not quite; see Lesenko's 1998 EuroTeX article. Cheers Larry Siebenmann PS. Am travelling for next 10 days (with Mac portable only). %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --- snip %%% 10K_pp.tex LS 10-Oct-99 %% 10K page DVI file generator %% Plain TeX designed for compactness and speed. \def\textbf#1{{\tenbf#1}} \def\raisebox#1#2{\raise#1\hbox{#2}} \def\tst{%% Sebastian's line $e=mc^2$ hello \textbf{no} why \raisebox{2mm}{xxx} \par} \newcount\mycount \newbox\tstbox \newbox\pgbox \newskip\myskip \myskip=0pt plus 10pt \vsize=270pt \hsize=150pt \setbox\tstbox=\vbox{%% 32 lines \tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst \tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst \tst\tst } \output{% \loop \global\setbox255= \vbox to 280pt{\copy\tstbox\vfill \centerline{\the\pageno}}% \shipout\box255 \ifnum\pageno <65536 \global\advance\pageno by 1 \repeat } \pageno = 1 \null\penalty -10000 \end %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --- snip 10-Oct-1999 3:37:50-GMT,4553;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27705 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA10695 for pdftex-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:34:51 -0400 Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA10692 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:34:45 -0400 Received: from vasili.rlf.org (pool-209-138-43-103.bltm.grid.net [209.138.43.103]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24954; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tporter@localhost) by vasili.rlf.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA24857; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:34:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:34:33 -0400 From: Thomas Porter To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk, rosalia@cygnus.com, ndw@nwalsh.com Subject: problems with pdfjadetex and pdftex 14.c Message-ID: <19991009233433.A24308@vasili.rlf.org> Reply-To: txporter@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk First off, Gentlemen in the cc: I apologize if this is off-topic for any of you. I figured that either the authors of packages or others of guru status might have run into this problem or something like it, or at least have an idea of a solution. I am using the cygnus docbook rpms, rebuilt for RedHat 5.2: jadetex-2.5-0 jade-1.2.1-4 docbook-3.1-5 psgml-1.0.3-2 sgml-common-0.1-3 stylesheets-0.10-2 teTeX 1.0-1 I am also using pdftex 14.c and hyperref 6.66g (or was using hyperref 6.66g before installing the RPM's. I am unclear as to whether the jade/jadetex RPM's include hyperref or not.) Based on other posts I saw on Dejanews I made various stack sizes in texmf.cnf larger. I have run texconfig init as well, which rebuilt many but not all formats listed in /usr/share/texmf/web2c. Jade related formats were not rebuilt by this process. When I try to run db2pdf on docbook-intro.sgml from http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~rosalia/mydocs, I get the following error in my docbook-intro.log: ------ (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/t1pcr.fd File: t1pcr.fd 1998/07/06 Fontinst v1.800 font definitions for T1/pcr. ) [8.0.54] [9.0.54] ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [parameter stack size=6000]. \@lduseb@x #1-> \@lduseb@x {#1}\set@color l.3689 {0}}1. \endLineField {}Use \Node% If you really absolutely need more capacity, you can ask a wizard to enlarge me. Here is how much of TeX's memory you used: 3298 strings out of 55393 33482 string characters out of 1381036 141574 words of memory out of 263001 11860 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+65535 37022 words of font info for 43 fonts, out of 200000 for 1000 14 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000 6000i,11n,6001p,334b,2070s stack positions out of 15500i,1500n,6000p,50000b,15000s ----- The parameter stack size cannot be made larger than this, and all posts I have seen seem to indicate that this error is normally due to some runaway recursion. Has anyone else gotten docbook to work with pdftex 14.c? If so what versions of which packages did you need? pdflatex and ConTeXt work fine. Is there a format file I have to rebuild, or might the new docbook rpms fix this? db2dvi works fine. This seemds to indicate a culprit in the pdfjadetex area. Smaller trivial examples such as hello.sgml from the docbook-intro run through db2pdf fine, so I am stumped. Any help welcome. Thanks, -- Tom Porter txporter@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Tom Porter txporter@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." 10-Oct-1999 6:30:38-GMT,6664;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00841 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:30:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA11425 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:24:20 -0400 Received: from newman.myriad.net (mail.myriad.net [204.57.67.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11422 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 02:24:17 -0400 Received: from [208.180.3.241] (usr09-241.tca.net [208.180.3.241]) by newman.myriad.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA31625; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:23:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tom.kiff@mail.kiffe.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:24:38 -0500 To: Laurent Siebenmann , lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl From: Tom Kiffe Subject: Re: capacity & speed & compactness Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, For what it's worth: I just ran your 10K_pp.tex through pdftex14c on a 266Mhz G3 Macintosh. Size: 6.6 MB pdf file Time: 150 sec With Distiller V4 converting the ps file I have Size: 9.3 MB Time: 623 sec --Tom Kiffe At 4:08 AM +0200 10/10/1999, Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > Hans> And speed. I just processed a few 40 Meg pdf files > > with 50-100K hyperlinks, and I don't even want to think > > about tex->dvi->ps->pdf or tex->dvi->pdf. Actually I > > don't even have the disk space for the intermediate > > files on my laptop. > > Larry> It is true that, for PDF production from ".tex" source, > > pdftex logically *should* win the race against (tex+dvipdf) > > --- but given your "I don't even want to think" I would be > > interested in seeing some benchmarks. I expect pdftex's > > winning margins (if any) to be narrow since dvipdf will > > usually process 30 or more pages per sec on a recent > > pentium. That is 1800 pages per minute. > > Sebastian> I just tried to process a trivial 78000 page document with > > pdftex and with latex + dvipdfm. > > > > pdftex bombs out with > > > > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [indirect objects table size=65536] > >does anyone know which constant to enlarge? is this a PDF limit? > >Was that at page 12464? (see below) > > > dvipdfm just silently stopped after page 12843. > >dvipdf and dvips stop at page 12464 with the complaint from >dvipdf only: > > object table overflow -1 -65536 > >Since many TeXs go far beyond (solaris tex does 78K pages in >a flash, and OzTeX gets over 40K pages before collapsing), >it would be a very good thing for DVI3 the recommend all >DVI-to-anything be able to handle at least 65536 pages. > >So let us retrench as Sebastian suggests to 10000 pages. >I give a 10K page ".tex" file that has as Sebastian demands >32 lines per page each being > > $e=mc^2$ hello \textbf{no} why \raisebox{2mm}{xxx} > >I give a compact (reentrant) version of the TeX file >below so you too can play around yourselves. > >Essentially all TeXs compose the "10K_pp.tex" file. An >exception is Textures that in version 1.7 bombs impolitely >when a limit of about 2700 pages is reached (That is >because pages become *DVI Macintosh resources, >which can be no more than about 2700 in number.) > >Result > > 10K_pp.dvi 14 379 806 octets > 10K_pp.dvi.gz 154 624 octets > >dvips yields > > 10K_pp.ps 23 864 855 octets > 10K_pp.ps.gz 239 647 octets > >OzTeX and BaKoMa DVIew viewers accept the DVI produced. >(Textures Reader bombed in spite of >the fact that it accepts real DVI files.) > >Now the PDF production: > >Distiller V3 (from .ps) > Size: 66 508 151 octets pdf or 745 871 octets pdf.gz > Time: 654 sec, by LS on Pentium 200Mhz > >pdftex 81 megaoctets pdf (from .tex) > Time: 470 sec ; by SR on ?????? > >dvipdfm 81???? megaoctets (from .dvi) > Time: 385 sec ; by SR on ?????? > >dvipdf 8 841 833 octets pdf pdf 727 324 octets pdf.gz > Time: 270 sec ; by LS on Pentium 200Mhz > >Nothing can be concluded about the relative speed >performance of Lesenko's dvipdf until Sebastian indicates >the microprocessor and clockspeed for his tests. I >suggest he also test Distiller on the his machine since >the relative speed of Distiller is of paramount >importance. > >However if Sebastian has anything better then my old >pentium then dvipdf takes the cake handily --- which makes >it clearly the engine of choice for a viewer like AcroDVI. > >The near ninefold compactness advantage of dvipdf over all >3 competitors is a strange. The near equality of the gz >compressed sizes for my two tests suggests that dvipdf is >merely doing somewhat more thorough internal compression. > >But that is a big advantage if you belong to the 95% >majority who do not compress PDF. > >[I personally espouse the unix prejudice that a file is >space efficient if it is space efficient when compressed >in any portable and time efficient manner --- say by gz. >Measure bulk at the gz level!] > >My guess is that PDF file quality is a WIDE OPEN GAME. I >add that Exchange does nil optimization on my 2 PDFs >above. My trivial and well known bulk optimization recipe, >for all its faults, is the only one in a barren arena. >Well not quite; see Lesenko's 1998 EuroTeX article. > > Cheers > > Larry Siebenmann > >PS. Am travelling for next 10 days (with Mac portable >only). > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --- snip > %%% 10K_pp.tex LS 10-Oct-99 > %% 10K page DVI file generator > %% Plain TeX designed for compactness and speed. > > \def\textbf#1{{\tenbf#1}} > \def\raisebox#1#2{\raise#1\hbox{#2}} > > \def\tst{%% Sebastian's line > $e=mc^2$ hello \textbf{no} why \raisebox{2mm}{xxx} > \par} > > \newcount\mycount > \newbox\tstbox > \newbox\pgbox > \newskip\myskip > \myskip=0pt plus 10pt > > \vsize=270pt > \hsize=150pt > > \setbox\tstbox=\vbox{%% 32 lines > \tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst > \tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst > \tst\tst > } > > \output{% > \loop > \global\setbox255= > \vbox to 280pt{\copy\tstbox\vfill > \centerline{\the\pageno}}% > \shipout\box255 > \ifnum\pageno <65536 > \global\advance\pageno by 1 > \repeat > } > >\pageno = 1 >\null\penalty -10000 > > \end > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --- snip 10-Oct-1999 10:52:32-GMT,2533;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04783 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA12056 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 06:47:16 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA12053 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 06:47:11 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07550; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:46:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <38006EE2.684DF633@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:48:02 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Y&Y Support Line CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: compactness References: <4.2.1.10.19991009142325.01e45948@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Y&Y Support Line wrote: > > Somehow I don't think anyone is going to worry too much about > the relative size of DVI and PDF files given the rapid changes in > availablility of large storage capacity and higher bandwidth. > Without figures and fonts, files in both formats will be relatively small. > I don't think anyone will base a choice of DVI versus PDF on file size. > > A very important factor IMHO is the availability of easy to install > free reader for PDF. Installing Acrobat Reader e.g. is a "no brainer". > > If you want to put PDF files on the web and want people to be able to > read them you pretty much just have to put a link to the Adobe site. > > No need to explain TeX to them. > > -- > Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com I absolutely agree. I can't expect my students to install tex on their home PC's, or wherever, but I don't mind telling them they ought to install the acrobat reader. As for how to generate the pdf -- pdftex suits me just fine, dvipdfm is probably just as good, and I don't believe that the dvips+distiller alternative has any significant advantages -- except that every now and then I use pstricks to draw little diagrams, and the process of converting them to pdf or png for inclusion via pdftex takes a little time. Bob Howlett 10-Oct-1999 15:09:28-GMT,6229;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08657 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA12625 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:04:16 -0400 Received: from nova.kettering.edu (nova.kettering.edu [192.138.137.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12622 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:04:14 -0400 Received: from odo.kettering.edu (odo.kettering.edu [198.110.4.84]) by nova.kettering.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26346; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mwicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by odo.kettering.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA12203; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:00:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark A. Wicks" To: pdftex@tug.org cc: lesenko@mx.ihep.su, Laurent Siebenmann , sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: capacity & speed & compactness In-Reply-To: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk There's been a lot written about the wisdom of drawing any conclusions from a single benchmark. That said, it's clear that Siebenmann's test file and Sebastian's must differ in some significant way (e.g., maybe Sebastian ran without Flate compression?). My 233MHz Intel Pentium achieves the following results: pdftex 116 seconds, 6,768,966 bytes dvipdfm 196 seconds, 9,572,153 bytes dvipdf 230 seconds, 8,841,833 bytes where the dvipdf benchmark has been adjusted from Siebenmann's report by accounting for processor speed (I realize that such adjustments can be dangerous without looking at other factors, since the hardware can be very different). The speed of pdftex is impressive here. I don't understand why Sebastian's results were so different. I suppose different programs may do better under different architectures. It's interesting when you think of the sizes in terms of bytes per page. pdftex achieves 677 bytes per page and dvipdfm achieves 957 bytes per page with a difference of only 280 bytes. The *very* repetitive nature of the text is likely resulting in extremely high compression rates, so the residual file sizes are mostly due to the overhead required to create a page in the PDF file. By my estimates, both pdftex and dvipdfm have an overhead of about 450-500 bytes per page, so the page overhead is more than half the file size. In a "real" document, the overhead would be a smaller portion of the overall file size In other words, since the file size mostly reflects overhead rather than content, it's not a very good benchmark for looking at file size in a "real" document. On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > Now the PDF production: > > Distiller V3 (from .ps) > Size: 66 508 151 octets pdf or 745 871 octets pdf.gz > Time: 654 sec, by LS on Pentium 200Mhz > > pdftex 81 megaoctets pdf (from .tex) > Time: 470 sec ; by SR on ?????? > > dvipdfm 81???? megaoctets (from .dvi) > Time: 385 sec ; by SR on ?????? > > dvipdf 8 841 833 octets pdf pdf 727 324 octets pdf.gz > Time: 270 sec ; by LS on Pentium 200Mhz > > Nothing can be concluded about the relative speed > performance of Lesenko's dvipdf until Sebastian indicates > the microprocessor and clockspeed for his tests. I > suggest he also test Distiller on the his machine since > the relative speed of Distiller is of paramount > importance. > > However if Sebastian has anything better then my old > pentium then dvipdf takes the cake handily --- which makes > it clearly the engine of choice for a viewer like AcroDVI. > > The near ninefold compactness advantage of dvipdf over all > 3 competitors is a strange. The near equality of the gz > compressed sizes for my two tests suggests that dvipdf is > merely doing somewhat more thorough internal compression. > > But that is a big advantage if you belong to the 95% > majority who do not compress PDF. > > [I personally espouse the unix prejudice that a file is > space efficient if it is space efficient when compressed > in any portable and time efficient manner --- say by gz. > Measure bulk at the gz level!] > > My guess is that PDF file quality is a WIDE OPEN GAME. I > add that Exchange does nil optimization on my 2 PDFs > above. My trivial and well known bulk optimization recipe, > for all its faults, is the only one in a barren arena. > Well not quite; see Lesenko's 1998 EuroTeX article. > > Cheers > > Larry Siebenmann > > PS. Am travelling for next 10 days (with Mac portable > only). > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --- snip > %%% 10K_pp.tex LS 10-Oct-99 > %% 10K page DVI file generator > %% Plain TeX designed for compactness and speed. > > \def\textbf#1{{\tenbf#1}} > \def\raisebox#1#2{\raise#1\hbox{#2}} > > \def\tst{%% Sebastian's line > $e=mc^2$ hello \textbf{no} why \raisebox{2mm}{xxx} > \par} > > \newcount\mycount > \newbox\tstbox > \newbox\pgbox > \newskip\myskip > \myskip=0pt plus 10pt > > \vsize=270pt > \hsize=150pt > > \setbox\tstbox=\vbox{%% 32 lines > \tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst > \tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst\tst > \tst\tst > } > > \output{% > \loop > \global\setbox255= > \vbox to 280pt{\copy\tstbox\vfill > \centerline{\the\pageno}}% > \shipout\box255 > \ifnum\pageno <65536 > \global\advance\pageno by 1 > \repeat > } > > \pageno = 1 > \null\penalty -10000 > > \end > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --- snip > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Mark A. Wicks mwicks@kettering.edu ECE Department, Kettering University Voice: (810) 762-7992 1700 West Third Ave, Flint, MI 48504-4898 Fax: (810) 762-9830 10-Oct-1999 20:30:08-GMT,4216;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14300 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13213 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:24:10 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13210 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:24:08 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.183]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5E45; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:23:25 +0200 Message-ID: <3800975D.9ABC3FD4@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:40:45 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurent Siebenmann CC: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: capacity & speed & compactness References: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > The near ninefold compactness advantage of dvipdf over all > 3 competitors is a strange. The near equality of the gz > compressed sizes for my two tests suggests that dvipdf is > merely doing somewhat more thorough internal compression. This discussion is rather pointless when you don't take the pdf code itself into account. Your test lets pdftex produce output like: 2 0 obj << /Type /Page /Contents 3 0 R /Resources 1 0 R /MediaBox [0 0 595.273 841.887] /Parent 17 0 R >> endobj 1 0 obj << /Font << /F7 7 0 R /F1 10 0 R /F4 13 0 R /F24 16 0 R >> /ProcSet [ /PDF /Text ] >> endobj 20 0 obj << /Length 21 0 R /Filter /FlateDecode >> The next alternative would already be more compact: 2 0 obj << /Type/Page/Contents 3 0 R/Resources 1 0 R/MediaBox[0 0 595.273 841.887]/Parent 17 0 R >> endobj 1 0 obj << /Font <>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text] >> endobj 20 0 obj << /Length 21 0 R/Filter/FlateDecode >> While leaving out some digits precission again would save some bytes. Another issue is tree building. Does the pdf producer uses a flat array or trees for page and annot resources, etc etc. Yet another aspect is to what extend a macro package provides object reuse, being not that natural to tex/dvi. It means slower runs and faster files. In this arena we also have to deal with proper resource building. One reason for context being 'slower than oters' is that when needed it builds the datastructures needed (for instance in widgets or multiple annots and so). All these factor play a role in speed, compactness, etc., if, for the moment we forget about page imposition, with all kind of related things like low level color manipulations, or pdf inclusion, where shared resources, precautions agains resource of font clashed etc have to be dealt with. Many of these issues in pdftex are btw dealt with behind the screens cq. implemented without much discussion but with much testing. So, as said, a rather pointless discussion. Actually even more pointless, when I take into account that some things can be done in pdftex that cannot be done in forinstance distiller with pdfmarks, simply because one does not have access to certains dicts. And, since coding moves towards xml, storing documents will take more space anyway: .. versus \this{..} will bring more overhead, but also more control. The same with pdf: more bytes, but also more portability. Some pdf's more bytes than others, but maybe a difference in quality. (Even dvi can differ in size, depending on the size of the optimization buffer). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl -----------------------------X-Mozilla-Status: 0009-------------- 10-Oct-1999 20:31:09-GMT,4216;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14313 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13206 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:22:53 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13203 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:22:48 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.183]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA16CF; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:22:15 +0200 Message-ID: <3800975D.9ABC3FD4@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:40:45 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurent Siebenmann CC: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: capacity & speed & compactness References: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > The near ninefold compactness advantage of dvipdf over all > 3 competitors is a strange. The near equality of the gz > compressed sizes for my two tests suggests that dvipdf is > merely doing somewhat more thorough internal compression. This discussion is rather pointless when you don't take the pdf code itself into account. Your test lets pdftex produce output like: 2 0 obj << /Type /Page /Contents 3 0 R /Resources 1 0 R /MediaBox [0 0 595.273 841.887] /Parent 17 0 R >> endobj 1 0 obj << /Font << /F7 7 0 R /F1 10 0 R /F4 13 0 R /F24 16 0 R >> /ProcSet [ /PDF /Text ] >> endobj 20 0 obj << /Length 21 0 R /Filter /FlateDecode >> The next alternative would already be more compact: 2 0 obj << /Type/Page/Contents 3 0 R/Resources 1 0 R/MediaBox[0 0 595.273 841.887]/Parent 17 0 R >> endobj 1 0 obj << /Font <>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text] >> endobj 20 0 obj << /Length 21 0 R/Filter/FlateDecode >> While leaving out some digits precission again would save some bytes. Another issue is tree building. Does the pdf producer uses a flat array or trees for page and annot resources, etc etc. Yet another aspect is to what extend a macro package provides object reuse, being not that natural to tex/dvi. It means slower runs and faster files. In this arena we also have to deal with proper resource building. One reason for context being 'slower than oters' is that when needed it builds the datastructures needed (for instance in widgets or multiple annots and so). All these factor play a role in speed, compactness, etc., if, for the moment we forget about page imposition, with all kind of related things like low level color manipulations, or pdf inclusion, where shared resources, precautions agains resource of font clashed etc have to be dealt with. Many of these issues in pdftex are btw dealt with behind the screens cq. implemented without much discussion but with much testing. So, as said, a rather pointless discussion. Actually even more pointless, when I take into account that some things can be done in pdftex that cannot be done in forinstance distiller with pdfmarks, simply because one does not have access to certains dicts. And, since coding moves towards xml, storing documents will take more space anyway: .. versus \this{..} will bring more overhead, but also more control. The same with pdf: more bytes, but also more portability. Some pdf's more bytes than others, but maybe a difference in quality. (Even dvi can differ in size, depending on the size of the optimization buffer). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Oct-1999 20:31:58-GMT,1922;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14343 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13268 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:27:56 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13265 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:27:54 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11aPZP-00037w-00; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:27:51 +0100 Received: from max19.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.19] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aPZP-0002e6-00; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:27:51 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14336.62208.436601.127903@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:11:44 +0100 (BST) To: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: capacity & speed & compactness In-Reply-To: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > Nothing can be concluded about the relative speed > performance of Lesenko's dvipdf until Sebastian indicates > the microprocessor and clockspeed for his tests. I > suggest he also test Distiller on the his machine since > the relative speed of Distiller is of paramount > importance. will you all forgive me if I bow out of this one? I just don't think the differences are worth investigating. sebastian 10-Oct-1999 20:57:36-GMT,2166;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14814 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13461 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:52:38 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13458 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:52:37 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS ([209.61.75.254]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03369; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.10.19991010164421.021f63b8@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.10 (Beta) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:51:01 -0400 To: Laurent Siebenmann , lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: pissing contest In-Reply-To: <199910100208.EAA10435@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk For what it's worth here are some numbers that seem not to match yours that well: Distiller V4 (Pentium 180 Mhz) 1000 seconds (ugh), BUT 10,166,299 bytes (compared to your 66,508,151 (from a 30 M byte PS file made by DVIPSONE). This is for the 10k page version of your test file. (on W2K). Cheers. By the way, if you want to use the 65k version, reduce the page count by one. The way you have it set now, dvi_t == 0 in the DVI file, because of the 2 byte limitation on representing page count in the DVI file. This has some interesting effects, because allocation of zero bytes on some operating systems gives you a pointer to a zero size chunck of memory that is marked as already discarded. So you can get confusing error messages (as opposed to just complaints about writing to memory that doesn't exist). Amusing. -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 10-Oct-1999 23:10:49-GMT,2181;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17192 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA14418 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:55:17 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14412 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:55:02 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991010225452.XMSZ23892.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:54:52 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org, fontinst@cogs.susx.ac.uk Subject: Working with a Greek Truetype font. Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:55:43 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <38021824.653821@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id SAA14413 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I found a free classical Greek truetype font at: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Help/Athenian_Font.html What I want to do is use this with PDFTeX. But here comes the problems. How do I create a TFM file for the true type font. Actually the problem is how to I create a file that I can add the ligatures so that the font becomes usable? My first problem is what encoding am I supposed to use the ttf2afm? I can use no encoding (which sounds appropriate to me since it is more like a symbol font than anything else). But then aft2tfm does not like the resulting afm file. I was about ready to try fontinst, but again the problem of what encoding to use. Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ 11-Oct-1999 7:26:46-GMT,2825;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26291 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:26:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16093 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:17:10 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16090 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:17:04 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04327; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:16:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28883; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:16:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910110716.JAA28883@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font. In-Reply-To: <38021824.653821@mail> from Jeffrey McArthur at "Oct 10, 99 10:55:43 pm" To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:16:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I found a free classical Greek truetype font at: > > http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Help/Athenian_Font.html > > What I want to do is use this with PDFTeX. But here comes the problems. > How do I create a TFM file for the true type font. Actually the problem is > how to I create a file that I can add the ligatures so that the font becomes > usable? > > My first problem is what encoding am I supposed to use the ttf2afm? I can > use no encoding (which sounds appropriate to me since it is more like a > symbol font than anything else). But then aft2tfm does not like the > resulting afm file. I was about ready to try fontinst, but again the > problem of what encoding to use. if you know the encoding you want to have in the afm, say ttf2afm -e encoding_file -o font.afm font.ttf to create the afm with the given encoding. encoding_file must have the format of `classical' encoding files like 8r.enc. Without that ttf2afm create and afm where all glyphs are left wihout character code. If you don't know the encoding yet, to get the builtin encodings of the font (ttfs may have more encodings inside a font) say ttf2afm -c font font.ttf and you will get the encoding file(s) under name font.eXX, where XX are two-digits number specifying the encoding and platform ID. If the used encoding contains glyphs that don't exist in the ttf, you will get some warning about that. The rest is identical to the way how to create ttf from afm (see dvips manual). Thanh 11-Oct-1999 9:00:30-GMT,2195;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27875 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA16479 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:52:04 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA16476 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:52:02 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.79]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1671; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:51:30 +0200 Message-ID: <380105A5.A7BC578@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:31:17 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mark A. Wicks" CC: pdftex@tug.org, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, Laurent Siebenmann , sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: capacity & speed & compactness References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Mark A. Wicks" wrote: > words, since the file size mostly reflects overhead rather than content, > it's not a very good benchmark for looking at file size in a "real" > document. Indeed. Imagine a a few page document with a 1 Meg graphics with make differences neglectable. Also, when a macro package does not reuse such a graphic when it appears twice, distiller will be the clear winner, that is, when optimization is turned on. When I have updated my dvipdfm binaries and special driver, I will test it on a real complicated multi meg one. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 11-Oct-1999 10:10:26-GMT,3417;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28986 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA16588 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:35:50 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA16585 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:35:47 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26316; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:35:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12203; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:35:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font. In-Reply-To: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> from Ross Moore at "Oct 11, 99 07:18:03 pm" To: ross@ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:35:40 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > While the topic of the day is font-encodings, > is anyone aware of the problem with a lot of files on CTAN, > in the .../tex-archive/support/pdftexenc/ directory ? > > e.g. msbm.enc starts as follows: > > %FontName msbm > msbm-Enc [ > /lessornotequal > /greaterornotequal > /notlessequal > ... > > > Surely that 2nd line should be: /msbm-Enc [ > needs ----^ > > > > My first problem is what encoding am I supposed to use the ttf2afm? I can > > > use no encoding (which sounds appropriate to me since it is more like a > > > symbol font than anything else). But then aft2tfm does not like the > > > resulting afm file. I was about ready to try fontinst, but again the > > > problem of what encoding to use. > > > > if you know the encoding you want to have in the afm, say > > > > ttf2afm -e encoding_file -o font.afm font.ttf > > > > to create the afm with the given encoding. encoding_file must have the format of > > `classical' encoding files like 8r.enc. Without that ttf2afm create and afm > > > Even 8x.enc is wrong, (but 8r.enc in a different directory is OK) > starting: > > AdobeExpertEnc [ > /.notdef > /.notdef > /.notdef > ... > > > Roughly half the files in this directory suffer from the missing / . > > > As the dates on these files are all 1997, either this isn't really > a problem, or there is an alternative source for these files, > or the CTAN mirror that I'm using isn't up-to-date... > > ...or no-one has used these in 2 years ! > > > Can anyone shed any light ? looks like nobody uses them. In the begining pdftex needed an external encoding to subset fonts. Another problem was with cm bakoma fonts, where the builtin encodings were often incorrect. So the encoding files were necessary. Later these files are not needed at all, as pdftex can read the builtin encoding of t1 fonts and people use BlueSky fonts, which have correct cm encoding. The mentioned encoding files are contributed by various people, I even don't know who maintains them. Regards, Thanh 11-Oct-1999 12:05:47-GMT,2351;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00911 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA17263 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:52:39 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17260 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:52:36 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20780; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:51:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id NAA10118; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:52:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:52:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: ross@ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore), pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font. In-Reply-To: <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » > Can anyone shed any light ? » » The mentioned encoding files are contributed by various people, I even don't » know who maintains them. I'm afraid I'm the guilty producer of these files (with my printenc script). At the time they were done, they were usefull and correct, as Thanh just explained, then pdftex began to read the first line, needing a /. A trivial modif of printenc fixes that of course, but i never minded doing or posting an update, because i was not even aware that these files had ended up on CTAN or Tex Live CDs -- and, meanwhile, pdftex had been improved. I confess that they are now more harm than usefull, and should be removed fromCTAN, CDs, etc. Moreover, .map files calling them should be fixed. A good contemporary cm.map is e.g. : cmr10 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01165 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:21:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA17380 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:05:10 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17377 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:05:08 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21883 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:05:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA10795; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:05:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:05:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910111205.OAA10795@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Hidden text In-Reply-To: <199910081706.TAA27428@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199910081706.TAA27428@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, a question i maybe already raised once... Acrobat capture allows an `hidden text' feature so that what is displayed is doubled by hidden (8bit-unicode?) ascii so that one can search and copy the actual text. As i see quite often the absurd advice to stop ligatures in pdftex to allow search/copy functions for the PDFs made that way, could it be possible to add such a functionnality to PDFtex? (namely, when a ligature mechanism is found in the tfm, keep the ascii representation of the corresponding word as hidden text, and print the actual ligature to keep for good typography). And of course, hide a MathML representation for the maths ;-) Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX 11-Oct-1999 13:23:32-GMT,13847;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02209 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18005 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:08:03 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18001 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:08:01 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p101.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.102]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21821; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.10.19991011090156.020fd820@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.10 (Beta) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:06:30 -0400 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com, pdftex@tug.org From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font. In-Reply-To: <38021824.653821@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_6603234==_" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk --=====================_6603234==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Attached find an AFM file for this font made in DVIWindo using "WriteAFM..." The glyph names in the TTF file are nonsense, so it just uses numeric encoding. You'll have to look at the character layout manually if you needed mnemonic names to make it easier to work with the font. But why not use a real quality Greek font in Type 1 format? You will have nothing but trouble with this one. As for encoding, it is not a text font. As for ligatures, you'd have to hand-craft these. You note that they give away this font, so that you will then buy the "keyboard driver" which is what does the equivalent thing. At 10:55 PM 1999-10-10 +0000, Jeffrey McArthur wrote: >I found a free classical Greek truetype font at: > >http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Help/Athenian_Font.html > >What I want to do is use this with PDFTeX. But here comes the problems. >How do I create a TFM file for the true type font. Actually the problem is >how to I create a file that I can add the ligatures so that the font becomes >usable? > >My first problem is what encoding am I supposed to use the ttf2afm? I can >use no encoding (which sounds appropriate to me since it is more like a >symbol font than anything else). But then aft2tfm does not like the >resulting afm file. I was about ready to try fontinst, but again the >problem of what encoding to use. > > > Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur > a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services > http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ --=====================_6603234==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="athenian.afm" StartFontMetrics 2.0 Comment Partial AFM file for font: Athenian Comment Based on Screen DC Comment Apparently a TrueType font Comment Using `numeric' as encoding vector FontName Athenian FamilyName Athenian FullName Altsys Fontographer 4.0.4 Athenian Comment MSMenuName Athenian Comment StyleName Regular Weight Medium ItalicAngle 0 IsFixedPitch false UnderlinePosition -142 UnderlineThickness 33 EncodingScheme FontSpecific CapHeight 819 XHeight 265 Ascender 773 Descender -393 FontBBox -514 -393 945 773 Comment Height 1166 (FontBBox yur - yul) StartCharMetrics 256 C 0 ; WX 500 ; N a0 ; B 62 0 437 755 ; C 1 ; WX 500 ; N a1 ; B 62 0 437 755 ; C 2 ; WX 500 ; N a2 ; B 62 0 437 755 ; C 32 ; WX 286 ; N space ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 33 ; WX 565 ; N a33 ; B 41 -2 470 469 ; C 34 ; WX 371 ; 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Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:35:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18196 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:20:54 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18193 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:20:52 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p101.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.102]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13495; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.10.19991011091901.02177228@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.10 (Beta) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:19:19 -0400 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font. Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) In-Reply-To: <199910110716.JAA28883@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <38021824.653821@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:16 AM 1999-10-11 +0200, you wrote: If you don't know the encoding yet, to get the builtin encodings of the font (ttfs may have more encodings inside a font) say ttf2afm -c font font.ttf and you will get the encoding file(s) under name font.eXX, where XX are two-digits number specifying the encoding and platform ID. If the used encoding contains glyphs that don't exist in the ttf, you will get some warning about that. Like many junk fonts, this one has glyph names that are mere aliases for character codes (usually the result of laziyness and/or inabilty to understand how a non-text font is supposed to be set up). That is, the glyph names in most cases bear no relationship to the actual glyph. The names chosen are those for Macintosh standard roman encoding: 32 space 33 exclam 34 quotedbl 35 numbersign 36 dollar 37 percent 38 ampersand 39 quotesingle 40 parenleft 41 parenright 42 plus 44 comma 45 hyphen 46 period 47 slash 48 zero 49 one 50 two 51 three 52 four 53 five 54 six 55 seven 56 eight 57 nine 58 colon 59 semicolon 60 less 61 equal 62 greater 63 at 65 A 66 B 67 C 68 D 69 E 70 F 71 G 72 H 73 I 74 J 75 K 76 L 77 M 78 N 79 O 80 P 81 Q 82 R 83 S 84 T 85 U 86 V 87 W 88 X 89 Y 90 Z 91 bracketleft 92 backslash 93 bracketright 94 underscore 96 grave 97 a 98 b 99 c 100 d 101 e 102 f 103 g 104 h 105 i 106 j 107 k 108 l 109 m 110 n 111 o 112 p 113 q 114 r 115 s 116 t 117 u 118 v 119 w 120 x 121 y 122 z 123 braceleft 124 bar 125 braceright 126 asciitilde 127 Adieresis 129 Aring 130 Ccedilla 131 Eacute 132 Ntilde 133 Odieresis 134 Udieresis 135 aacute 136 agrave 137 acircumflex 138 adieresis 139 atilde 140 aring 141 ccedilla 142 eacute 143 egrave 144 ecircumflex 145 edieresis 146 iacute 147 igrave 148 icircumflex 149 idieresis 150 ntilde 151 oacute 152 ograve 153 ocircumflex 154 odieresis 155 otilde 156 uacute 157 ugrave 158 ucircumflex 159 udieresis 160 degree 162 cent 163 sterling 164 section 165 bullet 166 paragraph 167 germandbls 168 registered 169 copyright 170 trademark 171 acute 172 notequal 174 AE 175 Oslash 176 infinity 177 plusminus 178 lessequal 179 greaterequal 180 yen 181 mu 182 partialdiff 183 summation 184 product 185 pi 186 integral 187 ordfeminine 188 ordmasculine 189 Omega 190 ae 191 oslash 192 questiondown 193 exclamdown 194 logicalnot 195 radical 196 florin 197 approxequal 198 increment 199 guillemotleft 200 guillemotright 201 ellipsis 202 nbspace 203 Agrave 204 Atilde 205 Otilde 206 OE 207 oe 208 endash 209 emdash 210 quotedblleft 211 quotedblright 212 quoteleft 213 quoteright 214 divide 215 lozenge 216 ydieresis 217 Ydieresis 218 fraction 219 currency 220 guilsinglleft 221 guilsinglright 222 fi 223 fl 224 daggerdbl 225 middot 226 quotesinglbase 227 quotedblbase 228 perthousand 229 Acircumflex 230 Ecircumflex 231 Aacute 232 Edieresis 233 Egrave 234 Iacute 235 Icircumflex 236 Idieresis 237 Igrave 238 Oacute 239 Ocircumflex 240 apple 241 Ograve 242 Uacute 243 Ucircumflex 244 Ugrave 245 dotlessi 246 circumflex 247 tilde 248 overscore 249 breve 250 dotaccent 251 ring 252 cedilla 253 hungarumlaut 254 ogonek -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 11-Oct-1999 13:52:52-GMT,2598;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02817 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18309 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:29:38 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18306 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:29:36 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28972; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:29:08 -0400 To: Thierry Bouche Cc: Han The Thanh , ross@ics.mq.edu.au (Ross Moore), pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 11 Oct 1999 09:29:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: Thierry Bouche's message of "Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:52:23 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > » > Can anyone shed any light ? > » > » The mentioned encoding files are contributed by various people, I even don't > » know who maintains them. > > I'm afraid I'm the guilty producer of these files (with my printenc > script). At the time they were done, they were usefull and correct, as > Thanh just explained, then pdftex began to read the first line, > needing a /. A trivial modif of printenc fixes that of course, but i > never minded doing or posting an update, because i was not even aware > that these files had ended up on CTAN or Tex Live CDs -- and, > meanwhile, pdftex had been improved. > > I confess that they are now more harm than usefull, and should be > removed fromCTAN, CDs, etc. Moreover, .map files calling them should > be fixed. A good contemporary cm.map is e.g. : > > cmr10 > no more hassle! My tetex installations use 8r.enc instead of explicitly listing any .pfb files. Is that not correct? Right now I'm trying (when I get time) to debug a problem where pdftex is having finding Courier-Bold. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 11-Oct-1999 14:02:41-GMT,1984;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02990 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:02:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18330 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:32:45 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18327 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:32:44 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p101.tc1.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.75.102]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01853; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.10.19991011093026.020fb0f0@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.10 (Beta) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:30:54 -0400 To: Thierry Bouche , pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: Hidden text In-Reply-To: <199910111205.OAA10795@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199910081706.TAA27428@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910081706.TAA27428@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 02:05 PM 1999-10-11 +0200, you wrote: >As i see quite often the absurd advice to stop ligatures in pdftex to >allow search/copy functions for the PDFs made that way, could it be >possible to add such a functionnality to PDFtex? (namely, when a >ligature mechanism is found in the tfm, keep the ascii representation >of the corresponding word as hidden text, and print the actual l>igature to keep for good typography). Fortunatly in Acrobat 4.0 you don't need to avoid f-ligatures since the search and the copy functions know about them. That is if you are using reasonable fonts, not ones where fi is called say "registered"! mailto:support@YandY.com http://www.YandY.com (Y) 11-Oct-1999 14:13:23-GMT,1902;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03265 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18675 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:00:31 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18671 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:00:22 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01746; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:00:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA16125; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:01:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:01:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910111401.QAA16125@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Y&Y Support Line Cc: Thierry Bouche , pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: Hidden text In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.10.19991011093026.020fb0f0@tiac.net> References: <199910081706.TAA27428@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111205.OAA10795@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <4.2.1.10.19991011093026.020fb0f0@tiac.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » Fortunatly in Acrobat 4.0 you don't need to avoid f-ligatures since the » search and the copy functions know about them. That is if you are » using reasonable fonts, not ones where fi is called say "registered"! unfortunately, i'd like to have that for any lig i could want to use (st/ct, or even Mrs Eaves'!) Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. 11-Oct-1999 14:14:17-GMT,1970;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03288 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18660 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:59:39 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18655 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:59:25 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01622 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:59:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA16095; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:00:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:00:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910111400.QAA16095@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) In-Reply-To: References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » My tetex installations use 8r.enc instead of explicitly listing any » .pfb files. Is that not correct? Right now I'm trying (when I get » time) to debug a problem where pdftex is having finding Courier-Bold. the entry for courier bold should be pcrb8r Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04862 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19388 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:57:26 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19383 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:57:23 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.71]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4298; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:56:44 +0200 Message-ID: <380201C0.DFB4258@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:26:56 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: Hidden text References: <199910081706.TAA27428@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111205.OAA10795@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Thierry, > Acrobat capture allows an `hidden text' feature so that what is > displayed is doubled by hidden (8bit-unicode?) ascii so that one can > search and copy the actual text. The text is not so much hidden, it is obscured by a bitmap or simply not drawn (no Tj operator), if I reverse engineer it right -) > As i see quite often the absurd advice to stop ligatures in pdftex to > allow search/copy functions for the PDFs made that way, could it be That was mainly a version 1/2 problem, at least the ffi ffl fi etc ligs are properly searched now. > possible to add such a functionnality to PDFtex? (namely, when a > ligature mechanism is found in the tfm, keep the ascii representation > of the corresponding word as hidden text, and print the actual > ligature to keep for good typography). I think the problem is a bit more complicated. BTW, In for instance documents with more than one language searching can be real fun. In principle each glyph should be mapped onto a simplified shape, so an accented e would become an e, but an u umlaut should become a ue, and so on. It sort of demands an tex with otp (omega) capabilities at each level (which is not that bad an idea, but beyond current pdftex (esp standard tex). A 'simple' solution would be to associate each char pos with a token list holding the alternate representation in pure a-z A-Z or maybe pdfdoc encoding, and let pdftex not output a second contents stream (second layer). Yet another alternaive would be to have an additional font file mapping logical char names onto pdfdoc sequences, and let pdftex use this mapping in the second stream (roughly positioned chars, f+i overlapping the fi etc,) but not actually drawing them. Of course, the mapping would be language dependant. Technically possible, but lots of additional files and housekeeping and pitfals. (Maybe open type support is a way out). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 11-Oct-1999 16:12:03-GMT,2320;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06697 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA19899 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:42:40 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19895 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:42:37 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12134 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:42:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA21377; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:43:14 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:43:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910111543.RAA21377@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) In-Reply-To: <199910111400.QAA16095@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111400.QAA16095@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) », Thierry Bouche écrit : « » » My tetex installations use 8r.enc instead of explicitly listing any » » .pfb files. Is that not correct? Right now I'm trying (when I get » » time) to debug a problem where pdftex is having finding Courier-Bold. » » the entry for courier bold should be » » pcrb8r Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09365 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20578 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:23:10 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20575 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:23:07 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29777; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:22:56 -0400 To: Thierry Bouche Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111400.QAA16095@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111543.RAA21377@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 11 Oct 1999 13:22:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: Thierry Bouche's message of "Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:43:14 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > Courier being an acrobat font, maybe pdftex couldn't figure that if > the pfb file is not there, so probably the current: > > pcrb8r Courier-Bold > is better... teTeX versions 0.9 and 1.0 both have the line as: pcrb8r Courier-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc I suppose that there's something else going on so that the name of the .pfb file doesn't have to explicitly appear. (?) Before now, I stuck to the cm fonts only, and I see that there are a lot of other options in teTeX, so to keep things from getting too confusing, I'm going to upgrade to teTeX 1.0 and go from there. I want to learn about the fonts, but all I need right now is a bold cmtt-type font. Looking at teTeX 1.0's psfonts.map file, I see that there are several to try. There's even one that's also called "Courier Bold": cob Courier-Bold "TeXnANSIEncoding ReEncodeFont" dvi-->ps and pdftex too, even in teTeX 0.9. But I don't see how "cob" fits into the font-naming scheme as described at: http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/services/fontname.html ... and I don't know where this "cob" came from--not Adobe, I suppose. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 11-Oct-1999 20:05:58-GMT,2094;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13742 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA21196 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:51:55 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21193 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:51:53 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS ([209.61.77.181]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14653; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.10.19991011154908.0212a6c0@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.10 (Beta) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:50:21 -0400 To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin), Thierry Bouche From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111400.QAA16095@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111543.RAA21377@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 01:22 PM 1999-10-11 -0400, Ed L. Cashin wrote: >teTeX versions 0.9 and 1.0 both have the line as: > > pcrb8r Courier-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc > >I suppose that there's something else going on so that the name of the >.pfb file doesn't have to explicitly appear. (?) It is printer resident. You don't want DVIPS to actually include the font file in the PS output --- assuming you even have the font file cob_____.pfb -- Berthold Horn mailto:bkph@YandY.com 12-Oct-1999 0:34:27-GMT,6360;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from suncore.math.utah.edu (suncore0.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.5]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21133; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by suncore.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02853; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:34:12 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, bnb@math.ams.org X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Recent progress in line-breaking algorithms Message-ID: In the course of some bibliography work, I came across some recent work on the line-breaking problem, and since there are efforts underway to reimplement TeX in another programming language, it may be worth pointing them out, and seeing whether they have any applicability for TeX extensions. I do not yet have copies of any of these myself. It is also worth remarking that Don Knuth's recent Digital Typography book contains additional material on this subject. Here are the relevant references; you can find them, and many more, in http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index-table-t.html#typeset @String{j-SCI-COMPUT-PROGRAM = "Science of Computer Programming"} @String{pub-CSLI = "CSLI Publications"} @String{pub-CSLI:adr = "Stanford, CA, USA"} @Book{Knuth:1999:DT, author = "Donald E. Knuth", title = "Digital Typography", publisher = pub-CSLI, address = pub-CSLI:adr, pages = "xvi + 685", year = "1999", ISBN = "1-57586-011-2 (cloth), 1-57586-010-4 (paperback)", LCCN = "Z249.3.K59 1998", bibdate = "Mon May 10 18:01:36 1999", price = "US\$90.00 (cloth), US\$39.95 (paperback)", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Article{Roehrich:1985:FAS, author = "Johannes Roehrich", title = "{Fehlerlose Automatische Silbentrennung in Fachsprachlichen Texten}", journal = "Angewandte Informatik, Applied Informatics", volume = "27", number = "5", pages = "198--206", month = may, year = "1985", CODEN = "AWIFA7", bibdate = "Mon Dec 16 08:30:04 MST 1996", bibsource = "Compendex database", abstract = "An automatic hyphenation procedure for technical and scientific texts is presented. The procedure uses rather small tables of hyphenation rules, and no exception dictionary. The tables are automatically generated from a dictionary of language-specific hyphenation paradigms. The table construction and the hyphenation algorithm itself are language independent. The procedure is absolutely correct relative to the dictionary, although it does not determine all hyphenation possibilties. Practical experiments show that the resulting hyphenation is sufficient for typesetting technical and scientific texts in lines of usual lengths.", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, affiliation = "Univ Karlsruhe, Inst f{\"u}r Informatik, Karlsruhe, West Ger", affiliationaddress = "Univ Karlsruhe, Inst f{\"u}r Informatik, Karlsruhe, West Ger", classification = "745; 723; 901", journalabr = "Angew Inf Appl Inf", keywords = "printing; Computer Applications; information science --- Language Translation and Linguistics; data processing --- Word Processing; text processing; computer typesetting; hyphenation algorithm; paragraph formation; automatic hyphenation procedure", language = "German", } @Article{Bird:1986:TPP, author = "R. S. Bird", title = "Transformational programming and the paragraph problem", journal = j-SCI-COMPUT-PROGRAM, volume = "6", number = "2", pages = "159--189", month = mar, year = "1986", CODEN = "SCPGD4", ISSN = "0167-6423", bibdate = "Sun Oct 10 09:12:09 MDT 1999", bibsource = "Compendex database; ftp://ftp.ira.uka.de/pub/bibliography/SE/COMPASS.bib; ftp://ftp.ira.uka.de/pub/bibliography/SE/obscure.bib", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, affiliation = "Oxford Univ, Programming Research Group, Oxford, Engl", classification = "722; 921", journalabr = "Sci Comput Program", keywords = "algebraic properties of waste functions; breaking paragraphs into lines; computer programming; mathematical programming, dynamic; optimization; transformational programming; two linear-time algorithms", } @Article{deMoor:1999:BAG, author = "O. {de Moor} and J. Gibbons", title = "Bridging the algorithm gap: {A} linear-time functional program for paragraph formatting", journal = j-SCI-COMPUT-PROGRAM, volume = "35", number = "1", pages = "3--??", month = "????", year = "1999", CODEN = "SCPGD4", ISSN = "0167-6423", bibdate = "Sun Oct 10 08:05:32 MDT 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Oct-1999 0:38:47-GMT,6858;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from suncore.math.utah.edu (suncore0.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.5]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21208; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by suncore.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02876; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:38:32 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, bnb@math.ams.org X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Recent progress in page-breaking algorithms Message-ID: [This note follows an earlier on about line-breaking algorithms: don't be misled by the similar Subject: line] In the course of some bibliography work, I came across some recent work on the page-breaking problem, and since there are efforts underway to reimplement TeX in another programming language, it may be worth pointing them out, and seeing whether they have any applicability for TeX extensions. It is also worth remarking that Don Knuth's recent Digital Typography book contains additional material on this subject. Here are the relevant references; you can find them, and many more, in http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index-table-t.html#typeset @String{pub-CSLI = "CSLI Publications"} @String{pub-CSLI:adr = "Stanford, CA, USA"} @Book{Knuth:1999:DT, author = "Donald E. Knuth", title = "Digital Typography", publisher = pub-CSLI, address = pub-CSLI:adr, pages = "xvi + 685", year = "1999", ISBN = "1-57586-011-2 (cloth), 1-57586-010-4 (paperback)", LCCN = "Z249.3.K59 1998", bibdate = "Mon May 10 18:01:36 1999", price = "US\$90.00 (cloth), US\$39.95 (paperback)", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Article{Powers:1986:PCP, author = "Jack Powers", title = "Personal Computer-Based Pagination Systems", journal = "Proceedings --- IEEE Computer Society International Conference", pages = "78--81", year = "1986", CODEN = "PCICDQ", ISBN = "0-8186-0692-4", LCCN = "????", bibdate = "Mon Dec 16 08:30:04 MST 1996", bibsource = "Compendex database", note = "IEEE Service Cent. Piscataway, NJ, USA.", abstract = "The author reviews the development of computer-based pagination techniques, describes the principles and limitations of algorithmic and interactive approaches, and traces the technological developments that have made PC-based systems possible. The capabilities and drawbacks of thirteen PC pagination packages are reported, and some selection criterion for prospective users of PC-based composition systems are presented. Systems capacities and price ranges for available products are given.", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, affiliation = "Interactive Features Inc, New York, NY, USA", affiliationaddress = "Interactive Features Inc, New York, NY, USA", classification = "745; 723", conference = "Digest of Papers --- COMPCON Spring 86: Thirty-First IEEE Computer Society International Conference.", journalabr = "Proceedings - IEEE Computer Society International Conference 31st.", keywords = "typesetting; Computer Applications; computers, microcomputer --- Applications; computer software; computer programming --- Algorithms; computer-based pagination; personal computers; PC-based compositers; PC pagination packages; typesetting software", meetingaddress = "San Francisco, CA, USA", sponsor = "IEEE Computer Soc, Los Alamitos, CA, USA", } @MastersThesis{Lagus:1995:APG, author = "Krista Lagus", title = "Automated pagination of the generalized newspaper using simulated annealing", type = "Master's thesis", school = "Helsinki University of Technology", address = "Helsinki, Finland", year = "1995", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:38:03 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @TechReport{Bruggemann-Klein:1996:PR, author = "Anne Br{\"u}ggemann-Klein and Rolf Klein and Stefan Wohlfeil", title = "Pagination Reconsidered", type = "Technical Report", number = "205", institution = "Fernuniversit{\"a}t Hagen", address = "Germany", year = "1996", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:28:57 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @TechReport{Bruggemann-Klein:1998:PCD, author = "Anne Br{\"u}ggemann-Klein and Rolf Klein and Stefan Wohlfeil", title = "On the Pagination of Complex Documents", type = "Technical Report", number = "234", institution = "Fernuniversit{\"a}t Hagen", address = "Germany", day = "27", month = jul, year = "1998", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:28:57 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Book{Wohlfeil:1998:PCB, author = "Stefan Wohlfeil", title = "On the Pagination of Complex, Book-Like Documents", publisher = "Shaker Verlag", address = "Aachen, Germany and Maastricht, The Netherlands", pages = "224", year = "1998", ISBN = "3-8265-3304-6", LCCN = "????", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:23:52 1999", price = "DM 98.00", URL = "http://wwwpi6.fernuni-hagen.de/Forschung/Pagination/; http://www.shaker.de/Online-Gesamtkatalog/Details.idc?ID=24201&CC=59311&IDSRC=1&ISBN=3-8265-3304-6&Reihe=15", acknowledgement = ack-cr # " and " # ack-nhfb, mailto = "Stefan.Wohlfeil@Fernuni-Hagen.de", } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Oct-1999 0:46:30-GMT,6899;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21370 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21738 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:34:32 -0400 Received: from csc-sun.math.utah.edu (root@csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21735 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:34:31 -0400 Received: from suncore.math.utah.edu (suncore0.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.5]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21133; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by suncore.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02853; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:34:12 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, bnb@math.ams.org X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Recent progress in line-breaking algorithms Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In the course of some bibliography work, I came across some recent work on the line-breaking problem, and since there are efforts underway to reimplement TeX in another programming language, it may be worth pointing them out, and seeing whether they have any applicability for TeX extensions. I do not yet have copies of any of these myself. It is also worth remarking that Don Knuth's recent Digital Typography book contains additional material on this subject. Here are the relevant references; you can find them, and many more, in http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index-table-t.html#typeset @String{j-SCI-COMPUT-PROGRAM = "Science of Computer Programming"} @String{pub-CSLI = "CSLI Publications"} @String{pub-CSLI:adr = "Stanford, CA, USA"} @Book{Knuth:1999:DT, author = "Donald E. Knuth", title = "Digital Typography", publisher = pub-CSLI, address = pub-CSLI:adr, pages = "xvi + 685", year = "1999", ISBN = "1-57586-011-2 (cloth), 1-57586-010-4 (paperback)", LCCN = "Z249.3.K59 1998", bibdate = "Mon May 10 18:01:36 1999", price = "US\$90.00 (cloth), US\$39.95 (paperback)", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Article{Roehrich:1985:FAS, author = "Johannes Roehrich", title = "{Fehlerlose Automatische Silbentrennung in Fachsprachlichen Texten}", journal = "Angewandte Informatik, Applied Informatics", volume = "27", number = "5", pages = "198--206", month = may, year = "1985", CODEN = "AWIFA7", bibdate = "Mon Dec 16 08:30:04 MST 1996", bibsource = "Compendex database", abstract = "An automatic hyphenation procedure for technical and scientific texts is presented. The procedure uses rather small tables of hyphenation rules, and no exception dictionary. The tables are automatically generated from a dictionary of language-specific hyphenation paradigms. The table construction and the hyphenation algorithm itself are language independent. The procedure is absolutely correct relative to the dictionary, although it does not determine all hyphenation possibilties. Practical experiments show that the resulting hyphenation is sufficient for typesetting technical and scientific texts in lines of usual lengths.", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, affiliation = "Univ Karlsruhe, Inst f{\"u}r Informatik, Karlsruhe, West Ger", affiliationaddress = "Univ Karlsruhe, Inst f{\"u}r Informatik, Karlsruhe, West Ger", classification = "745; 723; 901", journalabr = "Angew Inf Appl Inf", keywords = "printing; Computer Applications; information science --- Language Translation and Linguistics; data processing --- Word Processing; text processing; computer typesetting; hyphenation algorithm; paragraph formation; automatic hyphenation procedure", language = "German", } @Article{Bird:1986:TPP, author = "R. S. Bird", title = "Transformational programming and the paragraph problem", journal = j-SCI-COMPUT-PROGRAM, volume = "6", number = "2", pages = "159--189", month = mar, year = "1986", CODEN = "SCPGD4", ISSN = "0167-6423", bibdate = "Sun Oct 10 09:12:09 MDT 1999", bibsource = "Compendex database; ftp://ftp.ira.uka.de/pub/bibliography/SE/COMPASS.bib; ftp://ftp.ira.uka.de/pub/bibliography/SE/obscure.bib", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, affiliation = "Oxford Univ, Programming Research Group, Oxford, Engl", classification = "722; 921", journalabr = "Sci Comput Program", keywords = "algebraic properties of waste functions; breaking paragraphs into lines; computer programming; mathematical programming, dynamic; optimization; transformational programming; two linear-time algorithms", } @Article{deMoor:1999:BAG, author = "O. {de Moor} and J. Gibbons", title = "Bridging the algorithm gap: {A} linear-time functional program for paragraph formatting", journal = j-SCI-COMPUT-PROGRAM, volume = "35", number = "1", pages = "3--??", month = "????", year = "1999", CODEN = "SCPGD4", ISSN = "0167-6423", bibdate = "Sun Oct 10 08:05:32 MDT 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Oct-1999 0:46:38-GMT,7397;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21379 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:46:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21754 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:38:51 -0400 Received: from csc-sun.math.utah.edu (root@csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21751 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:38:49 -0400 Received: from suncore.math.utah.edu (suncore0.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.5]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21208; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by suncore.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02876; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:38:32 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, bnb@math.ams.org X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Recent progress in page-breaking algorithms Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk [This note follows an earlier on about line-breaking algorithms: don't be misled by the similar Subject: line] In the course of some bibliography work, I came across some recent work on the page-breaking problem, and since there are efforts underway to reimplement TeX in another programming language, it may be worth pointing them out, and seeing whether they have any applicability for TeX extensions. It is also worth remarking that Don Knuth's recent Digital Typography book contains additional material on this subject. Here are the relevant references; you can find them, and many more, in http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index-table-t.html#typeset @String{pub-CSLI = "CSLI Publications"} @String{pub-CSLI:adr = "Stanford, CA, USA"} @Book{Knuth:1999:DT, author = "Donald E. Knuth", title = "Digital Typography", publisher = pub-CSLI, address = pub-CSLI:adr, pages = "xvi + 685", year = "1999", ISBN = "1-57586-011-2 (cloth), 1-57586-010-4 (paperback)", LCCN = "Z249.3.K59 1998", bibdate = "Mon May 10 18:01:36 1999", price = "US\$90.00 (cloth), US\$39.95 (paperback)", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Article{Powers:1986:PCP, author = "Jack Powers", title = "Personal Computer-Based Pagination Systems", journal = "Proceedings --- IEEE Computer Society International Conference", pages = "78--81", year = "1986", CODEN = "PCICDQ", ISBN = "0-8186-0692-4", LCCN = "????", bibdate = "Mon Dec 16 08:30:04 MST 1996", bibsource = "Compendex database", note = "IEEE Service Cent. Piscataway, NJ, USA.", abstract = "The author reviews the development of computer-based pagination techniques, describes the principles and limitations of algorithmic and interactive approaches, and traces the technological developments that have made PC-based systems possible. The capabilities and drawbacks of thirteen PC pagination packages are reported, and some selection criterion for prospective users of PC-based composition systems are presented. Systems capacities and price ranges for available products are given.", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, affiliation = "Interactive Features Inc, New York, NY, USA", affiliationaddress = "Interactive Features Inc, New York, NY, USA", classification = "745; 723", conference = "Digest of Papers --- COMPCON Spring 86: Thirty-First IEEE Computer Society International Conference.", journalabr = "Proceedings - IEEE Computer Society International Conference 31st.", keywords = "typesetting; Computer Applications; computers, microcomputer --- Applications; computer software; computer programming --- Algorithms; computer-based pagination; personal computers; PC-based compositers; PC pagination packages; typesetting software", meetingaddress = "San Francisco, CA, USA", sponsor = "IEEE Computer Soc, Los Alamitos, CA, USA", } @MastersThesis{Lagus:1995:APG, author = "Krista Lagus", title = "Automated pagination of the generalized newspaper using simulated annealing", type = "Master's thesis", school = "Helsinki University of Technology", address = "Helsinki, Finland", year = "1995", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:38:03 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @TechReport{Bruggemann-Klein:1996:PR, author = "Anne Br{\"u}ggemann-Klein and Rolf Klein and Stefan Wohlfeil", title = "Pagination Reconsidered", type = "Technical Report", number = "205", institution = "Fernuniversit{\"a}t Hagen", address = "Germany", year = "1996", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:28:57 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @TechReport{Bruggemann-Klein:1998:PCD, author = "Anne Br{\"u}ggemann-Klein and Rolf Klein and Stefan Wohlfeil", title = "On the Pagination of Complex Documents", type = "Technical Report", number = "234", institution = "Fernuniversit{\"a}t Hagen", address = "Germany", day = "27", month = jul, year = "1998", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:28:57 1999", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Book{Wohlfeil:1998:PCB, author = "Stefan Wohlfeil", title = "On the Pagination of Complex, Book-Like Documents", publisher = "Shaker Verlag", address = "Aachen, Germany and Maastricht, The Netherlands", pages = "224", year = "1998", ISBN = "3-8265-3304-6", LCCN = "????", bibdate = "Tue Feb 09 08:23:52 1999", price = "DM 98.00", URL = "http://wwwpi6.fernuni-hagen.de/Forschung/Pagination/; http://www.shaker.de/Online-Gesamtkatalog/Details.idc?ID=24201&CC=59311&IDSRC=1&ISBN=3-8265-3304-6&Reihe=15", acknowledgement = ack-cr # " and " # ack-nhfb, mailto = "Stefan.Wohlfeil@Fernuni-Hagen.de", } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Oct-1999 6:06:06-GMT,1750;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28471 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA22816 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:58:22 -0400 Received: from onera.onera.fr (onera.onera.fr [144.204.65.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA22813 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:58:20 -0400 Received: from kernighan.onera (kernighan.onera [125.1.1.124]) by onera.onera.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1/onera-2) with ESMTP id HAA01022 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:58:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by kernighan.onera (Postfix, from userid 10) id 77CFE7739; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mykerinos.onera (Postfix, from userid 7426) id 813015356; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:53:28 +0200 From: Christian Perrier To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Setup a pdftex-announce mailing list? Message-ID: <19991011185326.A6172@mykerinos> Mail-Followup-To: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk What about this? It would allow those of us who are subscribed to the pdftex list only for getting information about new releases of pdftex and pdftex-related software (like hyperref and some others) to receive this information without needing to subscribe to the main list. Comments? (that's maybe a Frequently Asked Request, but I do not remember this to be raised here, though I'm subscribed to the pdftex list for more than one year...maybe two..:-)) -- 12-Oct-1999 9:04:00-GMT,3140;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01793 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23363 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:47:43 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23360 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:47:35 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18751; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:47:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA05670; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910120847.KAA05670@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Cc: Thierry Bouche , pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) In-Reply-To: References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111400.QAA16095@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111543.RAA21377@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » > pcrb8r Courier-Bold » > is better... » » teTeX versions 0.9 and 1.0 both have the line as: » » pcrb8r Courier-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc » it's OK for psfonts.map because you don't want to download a resident font. the "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" is ignored by pdftex, so no pb. <8r.enc is normally correctly interpreted in fact, as Courier-Bold is very special to PDF, pdftex should not bother too much about any .pfb on that line, _but_ if it is missing, it may be confused with .enc? [i don't believe this, because i believe that now pdftex parses the lines by examining the extensions in the file names (pfa/pfb means type 1 font, ttf truetype, enc enc file, etc.), formerly, it had a very rudimentary parsing methods that required ordered arguments and a missing one could generate big errors--I think this vanished when it was able to read psfonts.map syntax--but i'd like to know wghat Thanh says about that.] » I want to learn about the fonts, but all I need right now is a bold » cmtt-type font. That's not a practical idea, anyway, Courier is completely different from cmtt, Courier Bold will look hardly bolder than cmtt, and much bigger/wider... » cob Courier-Bold "TeXnANSIEncoding ReEncodeFont" Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01938 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23375 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:49:10 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23369 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:49:03 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18751; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:47:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA05670; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910120847.KAA05670@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Cc: Thierry Bouche , pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) In-Reply-To: References: <199910110918.TAA21392@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> <199910110935.LAA12203@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199910111152.NAA10118@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111400.QAA16095@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199910111543.RAA21377@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » > pcrb8r Courier-Bold » > is better... » » teTeX versions 0.9 and 1.0 both have the line as: » » pcrb8r Courier-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc » it's OK for psfonts.map because you don't want to download a resident font. the "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" is ignored by pdftex, so no pb. <8r.enc is normally correctly interpreted in fact, as Courier-Bold is very special to PDF, pdftex should not bother too much about any .pfb on that line, _but_ if it is missing, it may be confused with .enc? [i don't believe this, because i believe that now pdftex parses the lines by examining the extensions in the file names (pfa/pfb means type 1 font, ttf truetype, enc enc file, etc.), formerly, it had a very rudimentary parsing methods that required ordered arguments and a missing one could generate big errors--I think this vanished when it was able to read psfonts.map syntax--but i'd like to know wghat Thanh says about that.] » I want to learn about the fonts, but all I need right now is a bold » cmtt-type font. That's not a practical idea, anyway, Courier is completely different from cmtt, Courier Bold will look hardly bolder than cmtt, and much bigger/wider... » cob Courier-Bold "TeXnANSIEncoding ReEncodeFont" Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03570 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 04:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA23934 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:27:35 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23931 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:27:32 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14271; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:24:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14039; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:24:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910121024.MAA14039@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: 8r.enc (was Re: Working with a Greek Truetype font.) In-Reply-To: <199910120847.KAA05670@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "Oct 12, 99 10:47:58 am" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:24:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > in fact, as Courier-Bold is very special to PDF, pdftex should not > bother too much about any .pfb on that line, _but_ if it is missing, > it may be confused with .enc? [i don't believe this, because i believe > that now pdftex parses the lines by examining the extensions in the > file names (pfa/pfb means type 1 font, ttf truetype, enc enc file, > etc.), formerly, it had a very rudimentary parsing methods that > required ordered arguments and a missing one could generate big > errors--I think this vanished when it was able to read psfonts.map > syntax--but i'd like to know wghat Thanh says about that.] the order is still important for some fields. The tfm name must be the first one and the base name (if given) must be the second one. Field with suffix `.enc' is treated as encoding file, quoted text as special effect (reencoding, slantfont and extendfont), otherwise font tile. A font file is ttf if if has suffix .ttf or .TTF Thanh 12-Oct-1999 14:52:56-GMT,1677;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08692 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24592 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:09:59 -0400 Received: from k2.aeccom.com (IDENT:root@gate1.aeccom.com [193.158.11.51]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24589 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:09:57 -0400 Received: from ampato.aeccom.com (IDENT:root@ampato.aeccom.com [192.168.0.11]) by k2.aeccom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10519; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:09:49 +0200 Received: (from lutzeb@localhost) by ampato.aeccom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06767; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:09:49 +0200 From: Dirk Lutzebaeck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14339.16676.25542.607059@ampato.aeccom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:09:40 +0200 (CEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: You can't use `macro parameter character #' in horizontal mode X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 4) "Arches" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk doing an \insertpages (via texexec) on a PDF generated by Adobe Distiller I get (././../../envstore/00/02/12/00-file/VfA.PDF ! You can't use `macro parameter character #' in horizontal mode. l.11 ...^8d^^V^^\^^c4J^^86h^^ac b5^^91^^X^^e2^^f2# ^^b8^^80P1^^T^^c4^^8d@^^d1... ? ! Emergency stop. Acrobat Reader can how this PDF nicely. This is tetex 1.06, pdftex 1.3d Dirk 12-Oct-1999 15:44:40-GMT,2066;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10129 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:44:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA24811 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:14:04 -0400 Received: from idacrd.ccr-p.ida.org (idacrd.ccr-p.ida.org [206.181.22.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24808 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:14:03 -0400 Received: from idacrd.ccr-p.ida.org (root@localhost) by idacrd.ccr-p.ida.org with ESMTP id LAA26996 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idaccr.org (runner.princeton.idaccr.org [10.0.0.2]) by idacrd.ccr-p.ida.org with ESMTP id LAA26992 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linus.princeton.idaccr.org (linus [10.0.0.103]) by idaccr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24450 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linus (IDENT:gold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linus.princeton.idaccr.org (8.9.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22074 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:15:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199910121515.LAA22074@linus.princeton.idaccr.org> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Setup a pdftex-announce mailing list? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:53:28 +0200." <19991011185326.A6172@mykerinos> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:15:48 -0400 From: David Goldschmidt Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Christian" == Christian Perrier writes: Christian> What about this? It would allow those of us who are subscribed Christian> to the pdftex list only for getting information about new Christian> releases of pdftex and pdftex-related software (like hyperref Christian> and some others) to receive this information without needing to Christian> subscribe to the main list. A first-rate idea. I heartily second the motion. David Goldschmidt 13-Oct-1999 3:02:49-GMT,2655;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27484 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA26898 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:55:46 -0400 Received: from giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (giasdl01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.15.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA26895 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:55:42 -0400 Received: from del1.vsnl.net.in ([202.54.108.157]) by giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA09563; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:26:50 +0500 (GMT+0500) Message-ID: <3803F615.C4583DE4@del1.vsnl.net.in> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:31:42 +0530 From: "S.Ramaswamy" Organization: Matrix Infotech Syndicate X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: "pdftex@mail.tug.org" Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["S.Ramaswamy" ] References: <199910121603.MAA25066@tug.org> <14339.34452.611067.304349@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > 1) installed MikTex on Win95 > > 2) pdfTex example produced example.pdf correctly > > 2) installed JadeTex macros > > JadeTeX has nothing to do with PassiveTeX I was getting some errors! I do not remember what and then when I included, the error went off. > > 6) Now when I run > > > > pdftex -fmt fotex -progname pdftex teiu5.fo > > > > system is not accepting the above and gives help description. > > > > 7) Why is this -fmt command not being accepted ? > > because MikTeX does not understand that switch. try > > pdftex "&fotex" teiu5.fo Thanks! it worked. But still the fonts with Logo do not turn up in the resulting teiu5.pdf > I was assuming a Web2c-based system when I wrote that description Do I try some other TeX system. Will that be fpTeX on Win95? > I'll fix the page, and check with MikTeX myself I appreciate that very much. Thanks a lot. Additional Question? I am getting error on . Is that not supported? -- ==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--== S.Ramaswamy Matrix Infotech Syndicate D-7, Poorti, Vikaspuri, New Delhi, 110018, India PHONE: +91-11-5610050, FAX: +91-11-5535103 WEB http://MatrixInfotech.HyperMart.Net ==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--== 13-Oct-1999 7:21:49-GMT,2628;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02588 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA27682 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:55:32 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA27679 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:55:29 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.41]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA211A; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:54:57 +0200 Message-ID: <3803B755.6A32150E@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:33:57 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk Lutzebaeck CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: You can't use `macro parameter character #' in horizontal mode References: <14339.16676.25542.607059@ampato.aeccom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dirk Lutzebaeck wrote: > doing an \insertpages (via texexec) on a PDF generated by Adobe > Distiller I get > > (././../../envstore/00/02/12/00-file/VfA.PDF > ! You can't use `macro parameter character #' in horizontal mode. > l.11 ...^8d^^V^^\^^c4J^^86h^^ac b5^^91^^X^^e2^^f2# > ^^b8^^80P1^^T^^c4^^8d@^^d1... > > ? > ! Emergency stop. > > Acrobat Reader can how this PDF nicely. > > This is tetex 1.06, pdftex 1.3d This should not happen. This feature works with pdftex version 14 only. In version 13 context cannot find the page asked for and the figure inclusion macro will enter some trying - very - hard - to - please - you mode, which when everything fails end up in parsing the pdf file to find out what is wrong. This is rather unsafe. So, I suggest you first update to version 14 of pdftex. When things still go wrong, I suggest you fetch the latest context/texexec from the www address below. There is also an updated texexec manual there, which explains the pdf postprocessing options. (When you still have troubles, let me know). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Oct-1999 15:15:10-GMT,1731;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12493 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA29068 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:12:56 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29065 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:12:45 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11bP91-0001bH-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:12:43 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bP90-0003Za-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:12:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14340.41260.875581.205202@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:11:40 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["Denis B. Roegel" ] In-Reply-To: <199910131407.KAA29052@tug.org> References: <199910131407.KAA29052@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: "Denis B. Roegel" Hello, I would like to display animations in PDF, for instance such as the one at http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/icosahedron-small.gif (which is an animated gif). How could I do it from the pdflatex point of view? Thanks, Denis Roegel 13-Oct-1999 23:10:21-GMT,2780;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25924 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA30974 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:47:59 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA30971 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:47:57 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id AAA08829 ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:47:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA28542; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:47:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:47:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910132247.AAA28542@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: bkph@YandY.com, pdftex@tug.org Subject: pissing contest (Berthold) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello All, I found the testing of various PDF producers on the simple 10K page test to be full of interest, as pissing contests often are. But first let me correct a glitch in the posted version of the test file 10K_pp.tex \ifnum\pageno <65536 ==> \ifnum\pageno <10000 The right hand side gives the number of pages output and anything < 2^31 should work in TeX. Everyone who tested clearly corrected the glitch without comment, --- except Berthold who also commented that > 2^16 pages could well bother dvi processors (not TeX) since the internal DVI page counter is just 2 bytes. 2^16 pages is really OK since TeX starts the count at 0 not 1. > Berthold> Distiller V4 (Pentium 180 Mhz) 1000 seconds (ugh), BUT > 10,166,299 bytes (compared to your 66,508,151 > (from a 30 M byte PS file made by DVIPSONE). > This is for the 10k page version of your test file. (on W2K). The 1000 second time vs. 654 on pentium 200Mhz is not too surprising. Linear response to clockspeed would first suggest about 720 sec on Berthold's Pentium 180 Mhz. But clearly my Distiller 3 decided not to use any stream compression. That surely saved some time! Concerning my ridiculous 66Meg PDF from Distiller, I "definitely" requested compression, but I confess that I used DVIPS on a Sun and so had PK fonts. Still something to sort out here. Maybe I boobed. Both Distiller tests tell me that speed is an important selling point for all the alternative PDF generators. And it is more vital for AcroDVI than for others, so we shall be looking to make dvipdf faster. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 13-Oct-1999 23:10:21-GMT,2190;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25927 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA30981 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:48:36 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA30978 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:48:34 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id AAA08833 ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:48:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA28545; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:48:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:48:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910132248.AAA28545@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: mwicks@kettering.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: pissing contest (Mark) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello All, Mark Wicks' test run based on Sebastian's 10K page test put dvipdf a length out front both in speed and in file efficiency. The speed margin (nearly 2 fold) is impressive, although on a real example the *non-trivial* TeX composition would, I suspect, prevent pdftex making TeX-to-PDF faster than DVI-to-PDF. Worth testing though; I could be wrong. The 10K_pp.tex test intentionally trivialized the TeX composition in order to exercise *only* the PDF generating parts of pdftex, and whammy its performance leapt. dvipdf and pdvpdfm are very close, in fact interlaced. It is hard for me to guess why both are slower than pdftex. Incidentally, my 1997 Pentium 200Mhz is Pentium I and the motherboard is not upgradeable to Pentium II. Mark, is is that the case for your Pentium 230Mhz? If only Netscape/IE rendering of HTML moved as fast as *any* of these PDF generators...! Maybe Than should be working on an html browser that is an Acro Reader plugin! Cheers Larry Siebenmann 13-Oct-1999 23:10:40-GMT,1842;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25941 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA31016 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:50:13 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA31009 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:49:58 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id AAA08841 ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA28551; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910132249.AAA28551@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: pissing contest (Sebastian?) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian writes: > will you all forgive me if I bow out of this one? I > just don't think the differences are worth > investigating. Don't be bashful, Sebastian. The, contest is largely of your own design. If I am not mistaken, on TeXLive 4 you have distributed binaries for dvipdfm and pdftex for many platforms. It is no shame to first get ridiculous results. (My own Distiller result is suspect.) But to then quit suggests that the binaries on TeXLive are by no means easy to exploit. Personally, I am interested to see how Mac and Wintel stack up against linux/unix. Cheers, Larry Siebenmann 13-Oct-1999 23:10:47-GMT,2186;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25947 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA31004 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:49:54 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA31001 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:49:52 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id AAA08837 ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:49:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA28548; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:49:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:49:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910132249.AAA28548@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: pdftex@tug.org, tom@kiffe.com Subject: pissing contest (Tom) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kiffe writes: > I just ran your 10K_pp.tex through pdftex14c on a 266Mhz > G3 Macintosh. > Size: 6.6 MB pdf file > Time: 150 sec > > With Distiller V4 converting the ps file I have > Size: 9.3 MB > Time: 623 sec As a Macintosh user I am sorry to see a 266Mhz G3 Mac take 2nd place to a 230Mhz Pentium I (or was it really a Pentium II, Mark?). The G3 is reputed to be a much faster machine. However the Windows C compilers may be better; there are more competitors: Cygnus, Visual C++ ... Any opinions here? The Distiller figures offered by Berthold on Pentium I 180 Mhz yielded Size: 10,166,299 byte Time: 1000 sec Speed ratio Mac/PC: 1000/623 = 1.60 Clock ratio Mac/PC: 1.47 Here, the Mac does slightly better than the mere clock speed ratio would warrant. At any rate, Tom Kiffe's promptness to get newish tools to the public in his CMacTeX is very laudable. CMacTeX is, like BaKoMa TeX under Windows, a shareware item on CTAN. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 13-Oct-1999 23:42:33-GMT,1845;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26722 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA31438 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:29:01 -0400 Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (relay20.smtp.psi.net [38.8.20.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA31434 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:28:55 -0400 Received: from [207.60.242.234] (helo=THOMPSON-COZYKU) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 11bXoq-0006kn-00; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:28:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.1.9.19991013192550.00b11958@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.9 (Beta) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:27:21 -0400 To: Laurent Siebenmann , bkph@YandY.com, pdftex@tug.org From: Louis Vosloo Subject: Re: pissing contest (Berthold) In-Reply-To: <199910132247.AAA28542@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 12:47 AM 10/14/1999 +0200, Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > \ifnum\pageno <65536 ==> \ifnum\pageno <10000 > >The right hand side gives the number of pages output and >anything < 2^31 should work in TeX. Everyone who tested >clearly corrected the glitch without comment, --- except >Berthold who also commented that > 2^16 pages could well Actually, I did change it, of course. But since you distribute a version of the file with 65k limit, I though you might as well make it live within TeX's restrictions on total page count... Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph 14-Oct-1999 0:47:20-GMT,1732;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28262 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA32369 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:35:45 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA32366 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:35:43 -0400 Received: from default (pacific85-233.infoserv.uakron.edu [130.101.2.233]) by uakron.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA17974; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910140035.UAA17974@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: Laurent Siebenmann , pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:35:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pissing contest (Berthold) Reply-to: story@uakron.edu In-reply-to: <199910132247.AAA28542@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I hope we can now flush the toilet and go to bed. Regards, dps Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. 14-Oct-1999 8:33:11-GMT,2204;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07893 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 02:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA00737 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 03:54:36 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00734 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 03:54:33 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11bfiZ-0002Z2-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:54:31 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bfiZ-0002M0-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:54:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14341.39433.732793.507479@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:53:29 +0100 (BST) To: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pissing contest (Sebastian?) In-Reply-To: <199910132249.AAA28551@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910132249.AAA28551@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > Don't be bashful, Sebastian. The, contest is largely of > your own design. excuse me, but you raised the spectre of speed, claiming that dvipdf was the fastest thing since sliced bread > It is no shame to first get ridiculous results. > (My own Distiller result is > suspect.) But to then quit suggests that the binaries > on TeXLive are by no means easy to exploit. it doesn't suggest any such thing. It suggests that I have things in life that interest me more. If anyone's results had suggested that pdftex was not to some degree faster than dvi+dvipdf(m) (but not by orders of magnitude), then I'd be interested > Personally, I am interested to see how Mac and Wintel > stack up against linux/unix. I don't believe that Mac and Windows anyway Sebastian 14-Oct-1999 13:53:18-GMT,1652;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13948 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA01502 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:13:11 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.uta.fi (IDENT:root@mail.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01499 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:13:09 -0400 Received: from cs.uta.fi (IDENT:av@siwenna.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.52]) by mail.cs.uta.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA31606 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:13:07 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:13:07 +0300 From: "Arto V. Viitanen" Organization: University of Tampere, Dept of CS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.21 i686) X-Accept-Language: fi,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: How do I include pdf images now? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk When I started to use PDFTeX (or PDFLaTeX), the command was \pdfimage image.png. Then I changed to \pdfimage {image.pdf}. Now I use pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14c and it does not understand \pdfimage {image.pdf} anymore. Should I change back to the older version (this is a set of Linux binaries plus .pool files)? -- Arto V. Viitanen av@cs.uta.fi University of Tampere, Department of Computer Science Tampere, Finland http://www.cs.uta.fi/~av/ 14-Oct-1999 16:51:30-GMT,1938;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18770 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA02142 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:05:32 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02139 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:05:30 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11bnNd-0003Ks-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:05:25 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bnNc-0000QT-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:05:24 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14342.3350.916271.640384@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:04:22 +0100 (BST) To: av@cs.uta.fi Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? In-Reply-To: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> References: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Arto V. Viitanen writes: > When I started to use PDFTeX (or PDFLaTeX), the command was > \pdfimage image.png. Then I changed to \pdfimage {image.pdf}. Now I use > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14c and it does not understand > \pdfimage {image.pdf} anymore. Should I change back to the older > version (this is a set of Linux binaries plus .pool files)? you should start by reading the manual, at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/, which explains the syntax of the new primitives if you use LaTeX, just use the graphics package, and you won't have to worry about it. Sebastian 14-Oct-1999 18:04:37-GMT,1891;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20874 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA02490 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:25:34 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02487 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:25:26 -0400 Received: from remote142-36.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.36] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11bocl-0001UW-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:25:07 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991014191708.08ff71ee@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:17:08 +0200 To: "Arto V. Viitanen" , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? In-Reply-To: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 16:13 14.10.1999 +0300, Arto V. Viitanen wrote: >When I started to use PDFTeX (or PDFLaTeX), the command was >\pdfimage image.png. Then I changed to \pdfimage {image.pdf}. Now I use >pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14c and it does not understand >\pdfimage {image.pdf} anymore. Should I change back to the older >version (this is a set of Linux binaries plus .pool files)? The command has changed, now (0.14): \pdfximage{image.pdf}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage If you use the LaTeX format, use the graphic{sx} package, here the syntax for all versions (0.12, 0.13, 0.14) is simply: \includegraphics{image} Yours sincerely Heiko 14-Oct-1999 19:34:43-GMT,1912;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23561 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02910 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:00:13 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02907 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:00:11 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03756; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:00:03 -0400 Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? To: "Arto V. Viitanen" Cc: pdftex@tug.org From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 14 Oct 1999 15:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Arto V. Viitanen writes: > When I started to use PDFTeX (or PDFLaTeX), the command was > \pdfimage image.png. Then I changed to \pdfimage {image.pdf}. Now I use > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14c and it does not understand > \pdfimage {image.pdf} anymore. Should I change back to the older > version (this is a set of Linux binaries plus .pool files)? No, if you did that you'd lose a lot. You can find a recent version of the pdftex manual at: http://www.pragma-ade.nl/pdftex/pdftex-l.pdf or http://www.pragma-ade.nl/pdftex/pdftex-a.pdf The manual explains the current syntax for primatives like pdfimage. There have been several threads on this subject recently. There is a searchable archive of the pdftex mailing list at: http://www.tug.org/cgi-bin/lwgate/pdftex/ -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 14-Oct-1999 19:42:42-GMT,2061;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23806 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02935 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:06:52 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02932 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:06:49 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03790; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:06:41 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? References: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> <14342.3350.916271.640384@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 14 Oct 1999 15:06:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of "Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:04:22 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > Arto V. Viitanen writes: > > When I started to use PDFTeX (or PDFLaTeX), the command was > > \pdfimage image.png. Then I changed to \pdfimage {image.pdf}. Now I use > > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14c and it does not understand > > \pdfimage {image.pdf} anymore. Should I change back to the older > > version (this is a set of Linux binaries plus .pool files)? > > you should start by reading the manual, at > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/, which explains the syntax of > the new primitives I was just looking for that link. I went to www.tug.org --> interesting URLs --> pdfTeX ... but that put me into an ftp directory where I did not see a link to the manual. Is there a non-obscure way to find the link to the manual? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 14-Oct-1999 20:11:15-GMT,2324;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24635 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA03119 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:43:24 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03116 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:43:22 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.148.244]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7209; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:42:36 +0200 Message-ID: <3804DE0A.B53EF43E@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:31:22 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["Denis B. Roegel" ] References: <199910131407.KAA29052@tug.org> <14340.41260.875581.205202@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > From: "Denis B. Roegel" > > Hello, > > I would like to display animations in PDF, for > instance such as the one at > > http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/icosahedron-small.gif > > (which is an animated gif). > > How could I do it from the pdflatex point of view? Turn it into a movie. In context for instance one can say: \externalfigure[whatevername.mov][width=4cm,height=3cm] An example can be seen in up-to-date 1999-003.pdf. A rather old pdf feature btw, which also permit some bells and whistles. If only acrobat viewers could honor the pdf specs, they even could be embedded (when I really need that, I will give it another try). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Oct-1999 23:02:11-GMT,1871;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28856 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA04170 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:52:29 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04167 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:52:27 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11btjT-0007KD-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:52:23 +0100 Received: from max35.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.35] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11btjS-0005GP-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:52:22 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14342.19138.787565.273744@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:27:30 +0100 (BST) To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? In-Reply-To: References: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> <14342.3350.916271.640384@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin writes: > I was just looking for that link. I went to > > www.tug.org --> interesting URLs --> pdfTeX > > ... but that put me into an ftp directory where I did not see a link > to the manual. Is there a non-obscure way to find the link to the > manual? probably not. I'll add a link in "interesting URLs" tomorrow Sebastian 15-Oct-1999 6:13:30-GMT,2029;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09192 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA05226 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:59:40 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.uta.fi (IDENT:root@mail.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05223 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:59:38 -0400 Received: from cs.uta.fi (IDENT:av@siwenna.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.52]) by mail.cs.uta.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA03689; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:59:34 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3806C2C6.346B7EAF@cs.uta.fi> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:59:34 +0300 From: "Arto V. Viitanen" Organization: University of Tampere, Dept of CS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.21 i686) X-Accept-Language: fi,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Oberdiek , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? References: <3.0.1.16.19991014191708.08ff71ee@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > > At 16:13 14.10.1999 +0300, Arto V. Viitanen wrote: > The command has changed, now (0.14): > \pdfximage{image.pdf}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage Yes, that finally does it. For some reason, I have old version of the graphicsx -package, that still uses the \pdfimage command. What is the catch of the separation of the pdf -image inclusion and printing (or what ever you'll call it)? Does that mean that I could store the image and show if for example on start of every page? (Yes, I found the manual from the http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/, but have not yet read it) -- Arto V. Viitanen av@cs.uta.fi University of Tampere, Department of Computer Science Tampere, Finland http://www.cs.uta.fi/~av/ 15-Oct-1999 8:21:52-GMT,1626;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11527 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA05707 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:05:17 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA05704 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:05:10 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11c2MO-0006Om-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:05:08 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11c2MN-0008Lo-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:05:07 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14342.60934.637205.565733@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:04:06 +0100 (BST) To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? In-Reply-To: References: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> <14342.3350.916271.640384@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin writes: > I was just looking for that link. I went to > > www.tug.org --> interesting URLs --> pdfTeX This now has a link to the manual/faq/examples page Sebastian 15-Oct-1999 10:47:16-GMT,3401;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13941 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:47:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA06120 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:21:41 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.uta.fi (IDENT:root@mail.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA06117 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:21:38 -0400 Received: from cs.uta.fi (IDENT:av@siwenna.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.52]) by mail.cs.uta.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA06275 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:21:36 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <38070030.46C46CE@cs.uta.fi> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:21:36 +0300 From: "Arto V. Viitanen" Organization: University of Tampere, Dept of CS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.21 i686) X-Accept-Language: fi,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdfTeX, pdfscreen and hyperref Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Like I said, I installed the newer version of the pdfTeX. Now I have problems with a document that uses pdfscreen and hyperref. It worked on previous version (0.13), but not with the new one. I fetched the newest versions of the pdfscreen and hyperref (from ctan), but no good. This is the start of the file (actually, the cdo.sty is used, but it does not matter): ******************* \documentclass[a4paper]{amsart} %\usepackage{subeqn} \usepackage{palatino} %\usepackage{cdo} \RequirePackage{gloss} %\usepackage{zed-csp} % pdfscreen \usepackage[screen,article,sidebar]{pdfscreen} \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} \author{Arto V.~Viitanen} \screensize{4.5in}{6.5in} %%\screensize{height}{width} \urlid{www.cs.uta.fi} \emailid{av@cs.uta.fi} \emblema{univlogo-85x74-si.jpg} %% eka \emblemb{logo-90x69.jpg} %% loput \affname{University of Tampere} \divname{Department of Computer Science} \usepackage{float} \floatstyle{ruled} \newfloat{program}{thp}{nog}[section] \floatname{program}{Query} \usepackage{threeparttable} \begin{document} \makegloss {% \catcode`\#=11% \catcode`\"=11 \catcode`\%=11 \catcode`\@=11 \catcode`\$=11 \special{"% $Id: query.tex,v 1.1 1999/01/12 10:57:57 av Exp av $} \title[Queries in NOG]{Queries in NOG \\ $Revision: 1.1 $} \date{$Date: 1999/01/12 10:57:57 $} }% \maketitle \markboth{Queries in NOG}{Arto Viitanen} ************************************ For some reasone, the \maketitle causes error message: LaTeX Warning: No \author given. (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/ot1phv.fd) Overfull \hbox (20.23552pt too wide) has occurred while \output is active [][] ! Missing number, treated as zero. \protect l.41 \maketitle What number is needed with \maketitle? I added numbers before and after, but they did not matter. Package versions are: \ProvidesPackage{pdfscreen} [1999/10/14 v1.0 screen PDF design (CVR)] \ProvidesPackage{hyperref} [1999/09/01 6.66 Hypertext links for LaTeX] pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14c kpathsea version 3.3.1 -- Arto V. Viitanen av@cs.uta.fi University of Tampere, Department of Computer Science Tampere, Finland http://www.cs.uta.fi/~av/ 15-Oct-1999 11:06:16-GMT,1998;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14293 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA06193 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:50:23 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA06190 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:50:22 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.133]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5559; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:49:40 +0200 Message-ID: <380644C8.419BBD1E@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:02:00 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Arto V. Viitanen" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? References: <3805D6E3.421DDE1@cs.uta.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Arto V. Viitanen" wrote: > When I started to use PDFTeX (or PDFLaTeX), the command was > \pdfimage image.png. Then I changed to \pdfimage {image.pdf}. Now I use > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3.1) 3.14159-0.14c and it does not understand > \pdfimage {image.pdf} anymore. Should I change back to the older > version (this is a set of Linux binaries plus .pool files)? Fetch the latest supp-pdf.tex and you have \pdfimage again, this time as macro (with a few bonusses) The syntax was cleaned up, see the latest manual for details. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 15-Oct-1999 12:03:45-GMT,1954;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15328 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA06550 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:54:34 -0400 Received: from danube.river-valley.com (IDENT:cvr@[210.212.246.73]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06547 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:54:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA08634; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:59:09 +0530 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:59:08 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan C V To: "Arto V. Viitanen" cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfTeX, pdfscreen and hyperref In-Reply-To: <38070030.46C46CE@cs.uta.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Arto V. Viitanen wrote: > ******************* > > \documentclass[a4paper]{amsart} > %\usepackage{subeqn} > \usepackage{palatino} > %\usepackage{cdo} > \RequirePackage{gloss} > %\usepackage{zed-csp} > % pdfscreen > \usepackage[screen,article,sidebar]{pdfscreen} > \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you need not reload the hyperref package, since it is already loaded by pdfscreen.sty. remark the line and recompile. it will work. > For some reasone, the \maketitle causes error message: > > ! Missing number, treated as zero. > > \protect > l.41 \maketitle it is my mistake. please change the line no. 259 which reads as: \let\ScreenLastPage\@empty to: \def\ScreenLastPage{100} so that the maketitle error will not be repeated. Radhakrishnan 15-Oct-1999 16:51:56-GMT,20978;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22808 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08534 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:11:40 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (ipc4.uib.es [130.206.33.24]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08530 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:11:29 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (pcignasi.uib.es [130.206.134.178]) by ipc4.uib.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17658 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:10:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38074FD7.6E3BB1F6@ipc4.uib.es> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:01:27 +0200 From: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: miktex+pdfscreen+pdfslide Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8A66B267FB6123484CBF58C5" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8A66B267FB6123484CBF58C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, several questions about pdfscreen and pdfslide under the miktex's pdflatex. I attach the example file with the .log, .aux and .toc files. The questions are: After changing \screensize, it seems nothing happens. I declare \emaild, \affname, ... here because having a .cfg file in the source directory or package directory doesn't work. The same happens with the buttons translations. Processing the file stops with a message (.log) ------- [1[pdftex.map] Warning: pdftex (file test.map): cannot open font map file ] (Doc1.toc) \tf@toc=\write7 ! LaTeX Error: There's no line here to end. See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. Type H for immediate help. ... l.23 \section {Hola} Hola ? ------- after several returns I obtain a .pdf which seems correct. -------------- Now about pdfslide, when I compile ----- \documentclass{article} \usepackage[catalan]{babel} \usepackage[ams]{pdfslide} \begin{document} \overlay{blue.jpg} \section{Hola} Hola \section{Hola,Hola} Com va? \end{document} ------- whith bg.jpg in the package folder the result is ------ Error: pdftex (file bg.jpg): cannot open image file ------ if I copy bg.jpg to the source folder I get --------- File: bg.jpg Graphic file (type jpg) Error: pdftex (file metagray.pdf): cannot open image file --------- and metagray.pdf is in the package folder. Excuse me for so many questions. Any help will be very wellcome. Ignasi Can I have a overlay files directory ? Compiling a similar example with pdfslide I obtain messages like --------------8A66B267FB6123484CBF58C5 Content-Type: application/x-tex; name="Doc1.tex" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Doc1.tex" \documentclass{article} \usepackage[catalan]{babel} \usepackage[screen,article,sidebar]{pdfscreen} %\screensize{10in}{12in} %%\screensize{height}{width} \title{Proves} \author{Ignasi Furi\'{o}} \emailid{ignasi@ipc4.uib.es} \urlid{www.uib.es} % \emblema{\mbox{null}} \emblemb{\mbox{null}} \affname{Universitat de les Illes Balears} \divname{Dpt. 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Matemàtiques i Informàtica adr:;;Crta Valldemossa, km 7.5;Palma;Balears;07071;Spain version:2.1 email;internet:ignasi@ipc4.uib.es fn:Ignasi Furió Caldentey end:vcard --------------8A66B267FB6123484CBF58C5-- 15-Oct-1999 17:54:49-GMT,2692;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24527 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA09187 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:32:35 -0400 Received: from mercury.sterlingdi.com (mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09184 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:32:27 -0400 Received: from stargate.sterlingdi.com (stargate.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.3]) by mercury.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15526 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:50:08 -0500 Received: from hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com by stargate.sterlingdi.com via smtpd (for mercury.sterlingdi.com [204.183.83.11]) with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 17:11:25 UT Received: from sterlingdi.com (ggmce84.gg.sterlingdi.com [204.105.254.4]) by hermes.gg.sterlingdi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20722 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:37:51 -0400 Received: from GLASGOW-Message_Server by sterlingdi.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:30:07 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:29:42 -0400 From: "Richard Schumeyer" To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: How to install new pdftex on top of tetex? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id NAA09185 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have installed pdftex 14c on top of an existing tetex installation, apparantly incorrectly. I now get the following error when "\includegraphics" in encountered: ! Undefined control sequence. ...setbox \@tempboxa =\hbox {\pdfimage {\Gin@base .pdf}}\else \se... l.85 \includegraphics{artifact} Here is how I installed pdftex 14c: 1) downloaded "pdftex-solaris.zip" 2) extracted all files 3) copied pdftex and ttf2afm to /usr/local/teTeX/bin (where the old versions were) 4) copied pdftex.pool to /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/web2c/ (where the old version was) 5) "pdftex -ini -fmt=pdflatex latex.ltx" 6) copied pdflatex.fmt to /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/web2c/ (where the old version was) Have I done something wrong, or is there something else that needs to be done? Thanks for any help. ================================= Rick Schumeyer, Ph.D. Imaging Scientist Direct Radiography Corporation rick.schumeyer@directray.com (302)631-3704 15-Oct-1999 17:56:48-GMT,2027;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24605 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08752 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:33:40 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (ipc4.uib.es [130.206.33.24]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08749 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:33:33 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (pcignasi.uib.es [130.206.134.178]) by ipc4.uib.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17679 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:32:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38075514.A194F44A@ipc4.uib.es> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:23:48 +0200 From: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: more on miktex+pdfscreen+pdfslide Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FA6B3842F98D75BEB14E502A" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FA6B3842F98D75BEB14E502A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About my previous message. I forgot to say the without the sidebar option pdflatex doesn't complain about 'no lines here to end' Ignasi --------------FA6B3842F98D75BEB14E502A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ignasi.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Ignasi Furió Caldentey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ignasi.vcf" begin:vcard n:Furió Caldentey;Ignasi tel;fax:+34 971 173003 tel;work:+34 971 173196 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Universitat de les Illes Balears;Dpt. Matemàtiques i Informàtica adr:;;Crta Valldemossa, km 7.5;Palma;Balears;07071;Spain version:2.1 email;internet:ignasi@ipc4.uib.es fn:Ignasi Furió Caldentey end:vcard --------------FA6B3842F98D75BEB14E502A-- 15-Oct-1999 21:19:26-GMT,1744;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00485 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA10164 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:03:30 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA10161 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:03:28 -0400 Received: from remote142-174.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.174] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11cEVW-000582-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:03:22 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991015225918.358f4e48@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:59:18 +0200 To: "Richard Schumeyer" From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: How to install new pdftex on top of tetex? Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 13:29 15.10.1999 -0400, Richard Schumeyer wrote: >I have installed pdftex 14c [...] >! Undefined control sequence. > ...setbox \@tempboxa =\hbox {\pdfimage > {\Gin@base .pdf}}\else \se... >l.85 \includegraphics{artifact} Because some primitives of pdfTeX have changed, you need a new pdftex.def for the graphics package: http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex.def Yours sincerely Heiko 16-Oct-1999 1:09:20-GMT,2281;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05788 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10904 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:00:27 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10901 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:00:25 -0400 Received: from remote142-153.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.153] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11cICr-0006rC-00; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:00:22 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991016005507.08c71122@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:55:07 +0200 To: "Arto V. Viitanen" , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? In-Reply-To: <3806C2C6.346B7EAF@cs.uta.fi> References: <3.0.1.16.19991014191708.08ff71ee@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 08:59 15.10.1999 +0300, Arto V. Viitanen wrote: >> The command has changed, now (0.14): >> \pdfximage{image.pdf}\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage > >Yes, that finally does it. For some reason, I have old version of the >graphicsx -package, that still uses the \pdfimage command. The new one: http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex.def >What is the >catch of the separation of the pdf -image inclusion and printing (or >what ever you'll call it)? Does that mean that I could store the image >and show if for example on start of every page? Yes. * The image can be included without setting it on the page, for example for thumbnails. * The image can be reused several times: \pdfximage{image.png}% \edef\myimage{\the\pdflastximage}% ... \hbox{\pdfrefximage\myimage\relax}% \hbox{\pdfrefximage\myimage\relax}% ... Putting it in a box avoids problems with the \special like behaviour of \pdfrefximage. Yours sincerely Heiko 16-Oct-1999 9:27:38-GMT,2142;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15720 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA12204 for pdftex-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:19:55 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA12196 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:19:52 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11cQ0F-0006po-00; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:19:51 +0100 Received: from max33.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.33] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11cQ0E-0000O3-00; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:19:50 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14344.16981.799916.12065@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:16:05 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: av@cs.uta.fi Subject: Re: How do I include pdf images now? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19991016005507.08c71122@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3.0.1.16.19991014191708.08ff71ee@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <3.0.1.16.19991016005507.08c71122@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek writes: > * The image can be reused several times: > \pdfximage{image.png}% > \edef\myimage{\the\pdflastximage}% > ... > \hbox{\pdfrefximage\myimage\relax}% > \hbox{\pdfrefximage\myimage\relax}% > ... > > Putting it in a box avoids problems with the \special like behaviour > of \pdfrefximage. > Unless I got it wrong, just \includegraphics{image.png} (in LaTeX) does this without you having to think about it. However many times you do it, the image is only included once (and that happens even if you scale or rotate the image in different ways) Sebastian 18-Oct-1999 8:38:58-GMT,1865;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09756 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 02:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA17887 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:10:32 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA17884 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:10:26 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 11d7ry-0003dn-00; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:10:14 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 11d7rx-0005Xg-00; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:10:13 +0400 Received: from tobotras by david.service.jet.msk.su with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11d7rx-0002dh-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:10:13 +0400 To: pdftex Subject: Anchors within PDF file? Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Boris Tobotras Date: 18 Oct 1999 12:10:13 +0400 In-Reply-To: Ignasi Furió Caldentey's message of "Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:01:27 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, is there a way to make web browser go "into" PDF file, like it does with HTML pages, using anchors? If yes, can I produce such anchor with hyperref+pdflatex? If yes, what is a syntax to do that, \label or something else? If it is possible, how does browser "tell" acrobat reader, which segment of document to show? If it isn't, why? :) Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, -- Boris. 18-Oct-1999 11:51:39-GMT,2299;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13184 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 05:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA18403 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:25:55 -0400 Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se (root@kobra.efd.lth.se [130.235.34.36]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18400 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:25:53 -0400 Received: from fastpath (fastpath.elmat.lth.se [130.235.20.81]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07959 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:25:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991018132759.00980a20@mail.efd.lth.se> X-Sender: f94pc@mail.efd.lth.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:28:53 +0200 To: pdftex From: Patrik Carlsson Subject: Re: Anchors within PDF file? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 12:10 1999-10-18 +0400, you wrote: > Hi, > > is there a way to make web browser go "into" PDF file, like it does > with HTML pages, using anchors? If yes, can I produce such anchor > with hyperref+pdflatex? If yes, what is a syntax to do that, \label > or something else? > > If it is possible, how does browser "tell" acrobat reader, which > segment of document to show? If it isn't, why? :) > > Thanks in advance, >-- > Best regards, -- Boris. >And even better, how to link from pdf-files into other pdf-files so you don't >have to load the whole document but just the interesting parts. >If you add other documents afterwards in distiller, you would be able to >see the first pages before the appenices in the same file, but >how do you link to a page created by "dropping" an image into distiller. >(I was thinking about to do a CV with links to high resolution scans of my >grades) > > Patrik Carlsson 18-Oct-1999 12:27:50-GMT,3404;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13855 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA18477 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:49:02 -0400 Received: from mailhub.unibe.ch (mailhub.unibe.ch [130.92.254.109]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18474 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:49:00 -0400 Received: from iam.unibe.ch (asterix.unibe.ch [130.92.64.4]) by mailhub.unibe.ch (PMDF V5.2-29 #33079) with ESMTP id <0FJS000J8RF2SW@mailhub.unibe.ch> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:47:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from howland.unibe.ch (howland [130.92.65.22]) by iam.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04149; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:48:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (acherman@localhost) by howland.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01139; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:48:28 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:48:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Franz Achermann Subject: Re: Anchors within PDF file? In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19991018132759.00980a20@mail.efd.lth.se> X-Sender: acherman@howland To: Patrik Carlsson Cc: pdftex Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Authentication-warning: howland.unibe.ch: acherman owned process doing -bs Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Patrik Carlsson wrote: > > Hi, > > > > is there a way to make web browser go "into" PDF file, like it does > > with HTML pages, using anchors? If yes, can I produce such anchor > > with hyperref+pdflatex? If yes, what is a syntax to do that, \label > > or something else? > > > > If it is possible, how does browser "tell" acrobat reader, which > > segment of document to show? If it isn't, why? :) > > > > Thanks in advance, > >-- > > Best regards, -- Boris. > > >And even better, how to link from pdf-files into other pdf-files so you don't > >have to load the whole document but just the interesting parts. > >If you add other documents afterwards in distiller, you would be able to > >see the first pages before the appenices in the same file, but > >how do you link to a page created by "dropping" an image into distiller. > >(I was thinking about to do a CV with links to high resolution scans of my > >grades) > > You ask for HTML. So why not using HTML directly. PDF is a _portable- document_ format (you have complete control over the page layout). You may have references within a document, or from a document to a home page, but using pdf as a replacement for HTML makes no sense to me. Franz ------------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Achermann acherman@iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~acherman Tel: ++41 31 631 3313 Fax: ++41 31 631 3965 Grown-ups never understand anything for themselves, and it is tire- some for children always and forever be explaining things to them. Antoine de Saint-Exupery 18-Oct-1999 12:32:15-GMT,1779;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13935 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 06:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA18570 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:08:56 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA18567 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:08:53 -0400 Received: from remote142-162.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.162] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11dBZ1-0000Rp-00; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:06:55 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991018135444.354fcc9c@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:54:44 +0200 To: Boris Tobotras , pdftex From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Anchors within PDF file? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 12:10 18.10.1999 +0400, Boris Tobotras wrote: > is there a way to make web browser go "into" PDF file, like it does > with HTML pages, using anchors? If yes, can I produce such anchor > with hyperref+pdflatex? If yes, what is a syntax to do that, \label > or something else? \hypertarget{name}{} URL: ...test.pdf#name If you set option verbose, you see the anchor names, hyperref produces. Yours sincerely Heiko 18-Oct-1999 13:43:03-GMT,1804;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15551 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA19117 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:22:37 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19113 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:22:29 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29380 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:22:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA13721; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:24:08 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:24:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910181324.PAA13721@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex Subject: Re: Anchors within PDF file? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk if you read your PDF file within a web browser (acrobat plug-in only), you can manage anchors like in HTML through hyperref. For instance, file.pdf#page.2 will open it at page 2, #section.1 works also (with hyperref), etc. But these depend on some options like hypertexnames, naturalnames, etc. Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX 18-Oct-1999 17:31:55-GMT,1451;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21997 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA19785 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:37:08 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19782 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:37:05 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09946 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:37:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12166 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:36:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910181636.SAA12166@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: TrueType font -- printing To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:36:57 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, to my surprise I find out that I cannot print PDF files using TrueType fonts from Acrobat Reader to PostScript -- the PS file is invalid. Do you have any experiences with that? Thanh 18-Oct-1999 17:54:21-GMT,2190;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22544 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA19987 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:21:39 -0400 Received: from silas.psfc.mit.edu (IDENT:hutch@silas.psfc.mit.edu [198.125.176.94]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19984 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:21:37 -0400 From: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Received: from localhost (hutch@localhost) by silas.psfc.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA32413 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:13:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: silas.psfc.mit.edu: hutch owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:13:28 -0400 (EDT) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I use plain pdftex and \pdfimage width ... {imagefile.pdf} After converting the originally eps graphic to pdf, this approach works fine for a vector graphics eps. However, if the eps file includes a bitmap, then _even though the imagefile.pdf displays fine in acroread_, when included into the pdftex file the image is corrupted. It appears to have been sheared and the colors messed up. Anyone have any ideas? Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html P.S. System: Linux RH6.0 $ pdftex -v pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c kpathsea version 3.3 Copyright (C) 1999 Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. 18-Oct-1999 19:35:27-GMT,3023;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25937 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA20481 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:02:15 -0400 Received: from rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu (rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu [164.107.171.29]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20478 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:02:13 -0400 Received: from gw2 (gw2.eng.ohio-state.edu [164.107.169.221]) by rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA6917883; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910181902.PAA6917883@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: hubert@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:57:51 -0400 To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu, pdftex@tug.org From: Chris Hubert Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I think this is related to a bug. I believe that it has been fixed in version 14. If you don't want to upgrade, you can also convert the eps graphic to a png or a jpg graphic. (If it is a bitmap this shouldn't be a problem. If it is part bitmap and part vector graphics, then it is a somewhat sub-optimal approach.) CHris >I use plain pdftex and > >\pdfimage width ... {imagefile.pdf} > >After converting the originally eps graphic to pdf, this approach works >fine for a vector graphics eps. However, if the eps file includes a >bitmap, then _even though the imagefile.pdf displays fine in acroread_, >when included into the pdftex file the image is corrupted. It appears to >have been sheared and the colors messed up. > >Anyone have any ideas? > > Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. > http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html > >P.S. >System: >Linux RH6.0 >$ pdftex -v >pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c >kpathsea version 3.3 >Copyright (C) 1999 Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. >Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is >covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and >the GNU General Public License. >For more information about these matters, see the files >named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. >Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. >Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. > Chris Hubert Department of Mechanical Engineering The Ohio State University 206 West 18th Avenue Columbus, OH 43210-1107 (614) 292-2356 (Office) (614) 292-3163 (Fax) hubert@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu And I've heard of your troubles. I've heard you're unhappy. But I can fix that. I'm the Fix-it-Up Chappie Dr. Seuss 18-Oct-1999 22:44:58-GMT,3570;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01385 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA21144 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:15:33 -0400 Received: from macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (root@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au [137.111.216.12]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA21141 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:15:29 -0400 Received: from hera.mpce.mq.edu.au (hera.mpce.mq.edu.au [137.111.219.13]) by macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10724; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:15:23 +1000 (EST) Received: (from ross@localhost) by hera.mpce.mq.edu.au (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id IAA09050; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:15:21 +1000 (EST) From: Ross Moore Message-Id: <199910182215.IAA09050@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: from "hutch@psfc.mit.edu" at "Oct 18, 99 01:13:28 pm" To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:15:21 +1000 (EST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I use plain pdftex and > > \pdfimage width ... {imagefile.pdf} > > After converting the originally eps graphic to pdf, this approach works > fine for a vector graphics eps. However, if the eps file includes a > bitmap, then _even though the imagefile.pdf displays fine in acroread_, > when included into the pdftex file the image is corrupted. It appears to > have been sheared and the colors messed up. This sounds similar to problems we had including a 32x32 black&white icon into a .pdf file. (roughly 1k of data). Convrting to .jpg simply would not work. We had to show the icon at a large size in Illustrator, and outline all the black rectangles, then fill the regions. The resulting file was close to 100k. Adding color to other regions blew-out the file size to over 1Mb. (However, much of this would be in the .eps preview.) Also, it seems to be that you have to be careful also in how you convert a graphic to PDF, even with Adobe tools. We found that saving as PDF from ILLustrator did not work with a large Grayscale drawing. However it *did* work correctly using Photoshop --- or was it the other way around ? In one case the image was all sheared, as you report, when the resulting file was included into a pdfTeX job. > Anyone have any ideas? It wasn't clear to me that the fault lay solely with pdfTeX. I think I still have some bad PDF files that illustrate these problems, if anyone has a use for them. Cheers, Ross Moore > Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. > http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html > > P.S. > System: > Linux RH6.0 > $ pdftex -v > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c > kpathsea version 3.3 > Copyright (C) 1999 Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. > Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is > covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and > the GNU General Public License. > For more information about these matters, see the files > named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. > Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. > Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. > > > 18-Oct-1999 23:15:41-GMT,1956;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02248 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA21364 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:00:19 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21361 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:00:17 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11dLlG-0006oL-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:00:14 +0100 Received: from max44.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.44] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dLlF-0000Yh-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:00:13 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14347.38853.838088.204678@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:57:25 +0100 (BST) To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > fine for a vector graphics eps. However, if the eps file includes a > bitmap, then _even though the imagefile.pdf displays fine in acroread_, > when included into the pdftex file the image is corrupted. It appears to > have been sheared and the colors messed up. > ... > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c I'd definitely switch to version 0.14. I too have seen this, and I think its gone away Sebastian 19-Oct-1999 0:28:45-GMT,2388;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04063 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21800 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:02:41 -0400 Received: from silas.psfc.mit.edu (IDENT:hutch@silas.psfc.mit.edu [198.125.176.94]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21797 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:02:38 -0400 From: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Received: from localhost (hutch@localhost) by silas.psfc.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00850; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:54:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: silas.psfc.mit.edu: hutch owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:54:20 -0400 (EDT) To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: <14347.38853.838088.204678@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk OK, I'm willing to switch if it's not too painful, but how do I do it? I downloaded the linux binaries and installed them in the relevant directories, but that did not work. The executable gave an error message This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14c (Web2C 7.3.1) (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) I guess I need to update the format file as well. I don't particularly want to compile the whole thing from scratch. I also don't want to reinstall the whole of teTeX (which is currently 0.9 on RH6.0). Am I "stymied" or is this process reasonably managable? Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > fine for a vector graphics eps. However, if the eps file includes a > > bitmap, then _even though the imagefile.pdf displays fine in acroread_, > > when included into the pdftex file the image is corrupted. It appears to > > have been sheared and the colors messed up. > > > ... > > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c > > I'd definitely switch to version 0.14. I too have seen this, and I > think its gone away > > Sebastian > 19-Oct-1999 2:01:39-GMT,2085;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05959 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA22129 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:57:04 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA22126 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:57:02 -0400 Received: from remote142-136.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.136] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11dOWJ-0003eA-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:57:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991019035233.0937aa8a@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:52:33 +0200 To: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: TrueType font -- printing In-Reply-To: <199910181636.SAA12166@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 18:36 18.10.1999 +0200, Han The Thanh wrote: >to my surprise I find out that I cannot print PDF files using TrueType fonts >from Acrobat Reader to PostScript -- the PS file is invalid. Do you have any >experiences with that? Some tests with a file that includes two TrueType fonts (Lydian-Bold and LucidaCasual): AcrobatReader 3.01/Win 3.11: Errors during displaying, glyphs replaced by black filled circs. AcrobatReader 3/Linux: Displaying and conversion to PostScript are correct. AcrobatReader 4/Linux: Displaying correct, but the conversion to PostScript results in PostScript files with incomplete font resources. The TrueType fonts are replaced by Helvetica and Courier. Yours sincerely Heiko 19-Oct-1999 9:02:53-GMT,1859;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14698 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA22992 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:28:50 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA22989 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:28:47 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11dUdR-0003Kb-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:28:45 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dUdQ-0006Vp-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:28:44 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14348.11195.27081.974187@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:28:43 +0100 (BST) To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: References: <14347.38853.838088.204678@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14c (Web2C 7.3.1) > (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) > > I guess I need to update the format file as well. I don't particularly just remake the format file > Am I "stymied" or is this process reasonably managable? > its very civilised: fmtutil --byfmt pdflatex fmtutil --byfmt pdftex sebastian 19-Oct-1999 12:58:36-GMT,3804;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19228 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA23435 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:37:24 -0400 Received: from macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (root@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au [137.111.216.12]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA23432 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:37:21 -0400 Received: from hera.mpce.mq.edu.au (hera.mpce.mq.edu.au [137.111.219.13]) by macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01235; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:35:37 +1000 (EST) Received: (from ross@localhost) by hera.mpce.mq.edu.au (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id WAA23371; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:35:35 +1000 (EST) From: Ross Moore Message-Id: <199910191235.WAA23371@hera.mpce.mq.edu.au> Subject: Multiple references, related to fonts? To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:35:35 +1000 (EST) Cc: oberdiek@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Heiko Oberdiek) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all the pdfTeX experts. Here is a problem that I can't trace any further. Part of the output of a grep gives: % grep " 0 obj " doumont1.pdf | sort ... ... 25 0 obj << 250 0 obj << 251 0 obj << 253 0 obj << 254 0 obj << 255 0 obj << 258 0 obj << 258 0 obj << 258 0 obj << 258 0 obj << 258 0 obj << 258 0 obj << 258 0 obj << 260 0 obj << ... Notice those multiple definitions for: 258 0 obj which surely cannot be correct. The actual file is available at: http://www-texdev.mpce.mq.edu.au/TUG/PDF/tug99/doumont1/doumont1.pdf along with the LaTeX source and 2 included graphics. (Other required input files are in the directory above.) The only reference to object 258 is as follows: 253 0 obj << /Type /Font /Subtype /Type1 /Encoding 258 0 R /FirstChar 69 ... and the 1st definition is: 258 0 obj << /Type /Encoding /Differences [ 0 /.notdef 69/E 70/.notdef 84/T 85/.notdef 88/X 89/.notdef 98/b 99/.notdef 101/e 102/.notdef 104/h 105/.notdef 107/k 108/.notdef 111/o 112/.notdef] >> endobj ... but all the others are: 258 0 obj << /Type /Encoding /Differences [ 0 /.notdef] >> endobj Each occurrence is followed by other objects related to fonts; mainly to fonts that occur only within the 2 imported images. e.g. 222 0 obj << /Length 265 0 R /Length1 266 0 R /Length2 267 0 R /Length3 268 0 R >> stream endstream endobj 223 0 obj /DBDEAE+LucidaSans-Typewriter endobj ... and ... 198 0 obj << /Length 269 0 R /Length1 270 0 R /Length2 271 0 R /Length3 272 0 R >> stream %!PS-AdobeFont-1.1: LucidaNewMath-AltItalic 1.003 %%CreationDate: 1993 Mar 05 21:04:57 % Lucida is a registered trademark of Bigelow & Holmes Inc. 11 dict begin ... ... and ... 163 0 obj << /Length 273 0 R /Length1 274 0 R /Length2 275 0 R /Length3 276 0 R >> stream endstream endobj 164 0 obj /DBDEAE+LucidaBrightSmallcaps endobj Those empty streams look a bit suspect. I show this latter snippet, for it is at this point that gs -sDEVICE=png16m ..... fails when trying to parse the PDF file, while generating thumbnails using Heiko's thumbpdf . I'm using gs5.94 and pdftex(0.14c) under Digital Unix, OSF. Without the 2 included graphics, there is no problem at all; no multiple references and no problem with thumbpdf/gs . Including just one graphic (either one), the problem reappears. The graphics were converted from .eps to .pdf firstly using Distiller, then later using gs5.94 . The same types of error occurred with either conversion. Any ideas? Over to the experts. Cheers, Ross Moore 19-Oct-1999 13:13:41-GMT,2417;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19522 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA23510 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:52:05 -0400 Received: from silas.psfc.mit.edu (IDENT:hutch@silas.psfc.mit.edu [198.125.176.94]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA23507 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:52:03 -0400 From: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Received: from localhost (hutch@localhost) by silas.psfc.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA02349; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:43:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: silas.psfc.mit.edu: hutch owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT) To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: <14348.11195.27081.974187@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info Sebastian, but after installing the new binaries and running fmtutil now the command \pdfimage is not even defined: pdftex comb This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14c (Web2C 7.3.1) (comb.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg} Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, nohyphenation, loaded. ... \graphic #1#2->\line {\pdfimage width #1 {#2.pdf}} \centerline #1->\line {\hss #1 \hss } l.19 \centerline{\graphic{7 truein}{disrup_seq}} Did I do something wrong? Has the command been removed from pdftex? What gives? Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > > > This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14c (Web2C 7.3.1) > > (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) > > > > I guess I need to update the format file as well. I don't particularly > just remake the format file > > > Am I "stymied" or is this process reasonably managable? > > > > its very civilised: > > fmtutil --byfmt pdflatex > fmtutil --byfmt pdftex > > sebastian > 19-Oct-1999 13:18:51-GMT,1996;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19638 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA23576 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:03:51 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23573 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:03:44 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11dYvQ-0000fj-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:03:36 +0100 Received: from rahtz by ermine.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dYvQ-0004Pd-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:03:36 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14348.27688.165547.786985@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:03:36 +0100 (BST) To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Cc: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: References: <14348.11195.27081.974187@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > Thanks for the info Sebastian, but after installing the new binaries and > running fmtutil now the command \pdfimage is not even defined: upgrade your copy of pdftex.def from http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ > Did I do something wrong? Has the command been removed from pdftex? What > gives? yes, the names of the primitives changed. the new pdftex.def copes with old and new names. yes, I know it sounds like a plot to upset you, but honestly it isnt :-} Sebastian 19-Oct-1999 13:39:30-GMT,3397;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20142 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:39:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA23699 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:18:34 -0400 Received: from silas.psfc.mit.edu (IDENT:hutch@silas.psfc.mit.edu [198.125.176.94]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23696 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:18:32 -0400 From: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Received: from localhost (hutch@localhost) by silas.psfc.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03625; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:10:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: silas.psfc.mit.edu: hutch owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:10:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: <14348.27688.165547.786985@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk No, sorry, that does not fix it: Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html Got latest pdftex.def from http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ [pdftex]# cp pdftex.def /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def cp: overwrite `/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def'? y # texconfig init ... This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14c (Web2C 7.3.1) (INITEX) (/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/plain/config/pdftex.ini (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/bplain.tex (/usr/share/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex Preloading the plain format: codes, registers, parameters, fonts, more fonts, macros, math definitions, output routines, hyphenation (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/hyphen.cfg (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/plain.def) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph1.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/frhyph.tex frhyph.tex - french hyphenation patterns (V2.4) <98/02/07>) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/frhyphex.tex (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/f7hyphex.tex f7hyphex.tex french exceptions. 7-bit OT1 encoding (V2.0))) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/dehypht.tex German Traditional Hyphenation Patterns `dehypht' Version 3.2a <1999/03/03> (Formerly known under the name `ghyph31' and `ghyphen'.)) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/dehyphn.tex German New Hyphenation Patterns `dehyphn' Rev.28 <1999-03-08> (WaS) (Formerly known under the name `gnhyph01'.)) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/zerohyph.tex)))) ) Beginning to dump on file pdftex.fmt Same error message about \pdfimage not defined. On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > Thanks for the info Sebastian, but after installing the new binaries and > > running fmtutil now the command \pdfimage is not even defined: > > upgrade your copy of pdftex.def from > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ > > > Did I do something wrong? Has the command been removed from pdftex? What > > gives? > > yes, the names of the primitives changed. the new pdftex.def copes > with old and new names. > > yes, I know it sounds like a plot to upset you, but honestly it isnt :-} > > Sebastian > 19-Oct-1999 13:40:11-GMT,1694;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20159 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA23748 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:27:30 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23744 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:27:28 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11dZIP-0005My-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:27:21 +0100 Received: from rahtz by ermine.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dZIP-0007jf-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:27:21 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14348.29113.274965.974218@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:27:21 +0100 (BST) To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: References: <14348.27688.165547.786985@ermine.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > No, sorry, that does not fix it: > sorry, stupid of me to assume you were using LaTeX where *is* \pdfimage used in your macro package? check the manual at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ for revised syntax. Sebastian 19-Oct-1999 14:41:26-GMT,3041;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21569 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24190 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:07:05 -0400 Received: from silas.psfc.mit.edu (IDENT:hutch@silas.psfc.mit.edu [198.125.176.94]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24187 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:07:02 -0400 From: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Received: from localhost (hutch@localhost) by silas.psfc.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03827; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:58:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: silas.psfc.mit.edu: hutch owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:58:35 -0400 (EDT) To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: <14348.29113.274965.974218@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id KAA24188 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk You've got me beat. I can't find \pdfimage in my pdftex macro packages. There is no manual (only the FAQ) at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/. But in the copy of the manual that is in my installation it says. "6.4 Graphics inclusion \pdfimage width dimension height dimension depth dimension {filename} Inserts an image, optionally changing width, height, depth or any combination of them. Default values are zero for depth and 'running' for height and width. If all of them are given, the image will be scaled to fit the specified values. If some of them (but not all) are given, the rest will be set to a value corresponding to the remaining ones so as to make the image size to yield the same proportion of width : „height + depth… as the original image size, where depth is treated as zero. If none of them is given then the image will take its natural size. An image inserted at its natural size often has a resolution of 72 dots per inch in the output file, but some images may contain data specifying the image resolution, and in such a case the image will be scaled to the correct resolution." I can't find pdfimage in the source tree of the latest pdftex either, so I begin to think that it has been deleted. That ought to be a problem for pdftex.def, since it uses pdfimage. Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > No, sorry, that does not fix it: > > > sorry, stupid of me to assume you were using LaTeX > > where *is* \pdfimage used in your macro package? check the manual at > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ for revised syntax. > > Sebastian > 19-Oct-1999 14:50:45-GMT,2645;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21844 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24367 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:21:34 -0400 Received: from mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.32]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24364 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:21:32 -0400 Received: from pviton (pviton.crp.ohio-state.edu [128.146.236.202]) by mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10925 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19991019101729.00926be0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: pviton@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:17:29 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org From: "Philip A. Viton" Subject: Re: TrueType font -- printing In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19991019035233.0937aa8a@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> References: <199910181636.SAA12166@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk My experience was a bit different (with pdftex 14a): file contains Times text and math; printed from AcrobatReader 4 to file under winnt4 (Hp LJ 4/4M Plus PS600) and then did a binary copy of the resulting .ps file to the printer: everything (including ligatures and math) came out fine. (Thanh: I can supply the pdf and ps files if you'd like them). At 03:52 AM 10/19/99 +0200, you wrote: >At 18:36 18.10.1999 +0200, Han The Thanh wrote: > >>to my surprise I find out that I cannot print PDF files using TrueType fonts >>from Acrobat Reader to PostScript -- the PS file is invalid. Do you have any >>experiences with that? > >Some tests with a file that includes two TrueType fonts >(Lydian-Bold and LucidaCasual): > >AcrobatReader 3.01/Win 3.11: Errors during displaying, glyphs replaced > by black filled circs. >AcrobatReader 3/Linux: Displaying and conversion to PostScript are correct. >AcrobatReader 4/Linux: Displaying correct, but the conversion to > PostScript results in PostScript files with > incomplete font resources. The TrueType fonts > are replaced by Helvetica and Courier. > >Yours sincerely > Heiko > > Philip A. Viton ------------------ City Planning, Ohio State University viton.1@osu.edu 19-Oct-1999 15:38:41-GMT,2097;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23243 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24612 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:52:27 -0400 Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24608 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:52:24 -0400 Received: from zero.excite.com ([199.172.152.241]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <19991019144934.JADQ9301.gigi.excite.com@zero.excite.com> for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:49:34 -0700 From: "Jerry Shapiro" To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Cannot open encoding file for reading Message-Id: <940344573.18118.345@excite.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:49:33 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 198.3.128.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks. I am new to pdftex, so this may be simple. Platform: windows95 software: MikTeX I am attempting to create a PDF that uses Acrobat Reader's built in Times, in order to save space in the file. I added the times package to my LaTeX document, uncommented standard.map in the pdftex configuration file, and, voila, indeed I have a smaller file set in Times, however..... I get the warning from pdftex "(file 8r.enc) cannot open encoding file for reading." The standard.map has the lines ptmr8r Times-Roman Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23383 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA24813 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:11:28 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24808 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:11:05 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14824; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:10:47 -0400 To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Cc: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. References: From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 19 Oct 1999 11:10:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu's message of "Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > Thanks for the info Sebastian, but after installing the new binaries > and running fmtutil now the command \pdfimage is not even defined: Incremental upgrading is simple for experts only. I find upgrading tetex to be pretty easy, usually, especially when I'm using rpms. I know you indicated a reluctance to upgrade tetex, but realize that little out-of-sync problems like this will likely continue to demand resolution. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu 19-Oct-1999 15:44:09-GMT,2048;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23412 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24616 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:52:29 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24613 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:52:28 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11daci-0006VI-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:52:24 +0100 Received: from rahtz by ermine.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11daci-0008Nt-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:52:24 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14348.34216.215893.734217@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:52:24 +0100 (BST) To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: References: <14348.29113.274965.974218@ermine.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > You've got me beat. I can't find \pdfimage in my pdftex macro packages. > There is no manual (only the FAQ) at > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/. look again. I just changed the page, to make the manual more obvious (2nd item from top) > But in the copy of the manual that is in my installation it says. thats probably out of date > I can't find pdfimage in the source tree of the latest pdftex either, so I > begin to think that it has been deleted. That ought to be a problem for > pdftex.def, since it uses pdfimage. pdftex.def uses \pdfximage, surely? sebastian 19-Oct-1999 15:52:33-GMT,1376;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23651 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:52:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA24788 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:09:22 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24778 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:08:46 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id QAA15526; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:03:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:03:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199910191503.QAA15526@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu CC: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (hutch@psfc.mit.edu) Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > That ought to be a problem for > pdftex.def, since it uses pdfimage. No. latex's pdftex.def checks what version of pdftex is being used and uses the appropriate syntax in each case. \pdfimage is just used on older versions. David 19-Oct-1999 16:51:19-GMT,4320;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25350 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25383 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:17:52 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken76.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25380 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:17:50 -0400 Received: from GALIANO (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24056; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:17:45 -0700 (PDT) To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Cc: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. References: From: "Jody M. Klymak" Organization: APL/School of Oceanography, UW X-Attribution: JMK Date: 19 Oct 1999 09:17:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu's message of "Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:58:35 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 65 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id MAA25381 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ian, pdftex is beta (alpha?) software, so things change pretty quickly. *Somewhere* in your documents, or in the macros it calls, you call \pdfimage. That syntax is not supported anymore. There was a thread on this list last week about what the proper syntax is. There is also, most certainly, a new (Aug 20, 1999) manual at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/. In fact there are 4 versions of it to suit your varied needs. It is listed beside the number two, very near the top of the page. It covers what you are asking (Sec 7.5). Good luck, Jody >>>>> "h" == hutch writes: h> You've got me beat. I can't find \pdfimage in my pdftex macro h> packages. There is no manual (only the FAQ) at h> http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/. But in the copy of h> the manual that is in my installation it says. h> "6.4 Graphics inclusion \pdfimage width dimension height h> dimension depth dimension {filename} Inserts an image, h> optionally changing width, height, depth or any combination of h> them. Default values are zero for depth and 'running' for h> height and width. If all of them are given, the image will be h> scaled to fit the specified values. If some of them (but not h> all) are given, the rest will be set to a value corresponding h> to the remaining ones so as to make the image size to yield the h> same proportion of width : „height + depth… as the h> original image size, where depth is treated as zero. If none of h> them is given then the image will take its natural size. An h> image inserted at its natural size often has a resolution of 72 h> dots per inch in the output file, but some images may contain h> data specifying the image resolution, and in such a case the h> image will be scaled to the correct resolution." h> I can't find pdfimage in the source tree of the latest pdftex h> either, so I begin to think that it has been deleted. That h> ought to be a problem for pdftex.def, since it uses pdfimage. h> Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. h> http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html h> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >> hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > No, sorry, that does not fix it: > >> sorry, stupid of me to assume you were using LaTeX >> >> where *is* \pdfimage used in your macro package? check the >> manual at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ for revised >> syntax. >> >> Sebastian >> -- Jody Klymak APL/School of Oceanography, Doctoral Candidate University of Washington mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu (206)-685-9080 http://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/grads/jklymak/ 19-Oct-1999 17:00:25-GMT,2017;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25618 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25696 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:43:26 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25691 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:43:24 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.68]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3E18; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:42:51 +0200 Message-ID: <380C998F.59E514B0@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:17:19 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: hutch@psfc.mit.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. References: <14348.27688.165547.786985@ermine.ox.ac.uk> <14348.29113.274965.974218@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > No, sorry, that does not fix it: > > > sorry, stupid of me to assume you were using LaTeX > > where *is* \pdfimage used in your macro package? check the manual at > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ for revised syntax. You can try \input supp-pdf which provides it as macro. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Oct-1999 17:08:58-GMT,1934;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25928 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25684 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:42:46 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25680 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:42:43 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.68]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1C5F; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: <380CACCE.C908D119@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:39:26 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu CC: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu wrote: > You've got me beat. I can't find \pdfimage in my pdftex macro packages. > There is no manual (only the FAQ) at You can pick up the latest manual from our site (address below). If you also pick up context, there is a file supp-pdf.tex in there, which shows you how \pdfimage can be defined using the new primitives. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Oct-1999 17:19:53-GMT,2754;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26288 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25875 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:54:14 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25872 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:54:12 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24048; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:54:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29290; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:54:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199910191654.SAA29290@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: TrueType font -- printing In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991019101729.00926be0@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> from "Philip A. Viton" at "Oct 19, 99 10:17:29 am" To: pviton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip A. Viton) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:54:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > My experience was a bit different (with pdftex 14a): > > file contains Times text and math; printed from AcrobatReader 4 to file > under winnt4 (Hp LJ 4/4M Plus PS600) and then did a binary copy of the > resulting .ps file to the printer: everything (including ligatures and > math) came out fine. > > (Thanh: I can supply the pdf and ps files if you'd like them). > >Some tests with a file that includes two TrueType fonts > >(Lydian-Bold and LucidaCasual): > > > >AcrobatReader 3.01/Win 3.11: Errors during displaying, glyphs replaced > > by black filled circs. > >AcrobatReader 3/Linux: Displaying and conversion to PostScript are correct. > >AcrobatReader 4/Linux: Displaying correct, but the conversion to > > PostScript results in PostScript files with > > incomplete font resources. The TrueType fonts > > are replaced by Helvetica and Courier. I find out that setting PS Level 1 when printing with AcrobatReader 4/Linux can help a bit. For some reason the first page can be wrong if the document contains too many fonts (I don't know the limit, tried with over 100). However I was not so lucky with AcrobatReader 3/Linux: all glyphs are left as blank when displaying. gs is always happy, but pdf2ps seems to converts all fonts to bitmaps. Thanh 19-Oct-1999 18:04:20-GMT,1720;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27584 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA26532 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:37:51 -0400 Received: from silas.psfc.mit.edu (IDENT:hutch@silas.psfc.mit.edu [198.125.176.94]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26529 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:37:49 -0400 From: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Received: from localhost (hutch@localhost) by silas.psfc.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04629; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:29:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: silas.psfc.mit.edu: hutch owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:29:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: <14348.34216.215893.734217@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Yes sorry, it IS there, but camouflaged in a line that starts: "2.screen-designed, A5 booklet, A4 size and letter size ..." Thanks for your help. Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > There is no manual (only the FAQ) at > > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/. > > look again. I just changed the page, to make the manual more obvious > (2nd item from top) > 19-Oct-1999 18:11:26-GMT,3165;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27850 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA26466 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:35:08 -0400 Received: from silas.psfc.mit.edu (IDENT:hutch@silas.psfc.mit.edu [198.125.176.94]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26462 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:34:56 -0400 From: hutch@psfc.mit.edu Received: from localhost (hutch@localhost) by silas.psfc.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04621; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:26:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: silas.psfc.mit.edu: hutch owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:26:48 -0400 (EDT) To: Hans Hagen cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. In-Reply-To: <380C998F.59E514B0@wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to Sebastian Rahtz and Hans Hagen I seem to have a working upgraded pdftex. So I summarize for the future uninitiated. How to upgrade pdftex on Red Hat 6.0 using binaries. 1) Obtain the Linux binaries from http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta/0.14c/pdftex-linux.zip 2) Replace the binaries: pdftex, pdfetex, ttf2afm, with those in the package you downloaded. The locations can be determined by doing $ which pdftex (etc.) Save the old binaries somewhere if you value your sanity. 3) Redump the TeX formats by doing # texconfig init 4) The command \pdfimage is removed from version 14 of pdftex. If you need it, you can obtain a definition from the context package. Obtain the context package from http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download.htm/ 5) Unzip it and locate the file supp-pdf.tex. It is unzipped to tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex Replace the distribution file /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex with this new version. 6) \input supp-pdf in your TeX file to enable the \pdfimage command. Thanks, again, guys, (but this was not "intuitive" so I don't feel like a complete idiot). Ian Hutchinson, Plasma Science and Fusion Center, MIT. http://psfc.mit.edu/~hutch/home.html On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Hans Hagen wrote: > Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > > hutch@psfc.mit.edu writes: > > > No, sorry, that does not fix it: > > > > > sorry, stupid of me to assume you were using LaTeX > > > > where *is* \pdfimage used in your macro package? check the manual at > > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/ for revised syntax. > > You can try > > \input supp-pdf > > which provides it as macro. > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > 19-Oct-1999 22:00:54-GMT,1496;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04425 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27791 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:18:01 -0400 Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27788 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:17:56 -0400 Received: from Sherbrooke-ppp15082.qc.sympatico.ca (Sherbrooke-ppp15082.qc.sympatico.ca [206.172.104.106]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14701 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Printing problem with Acrobat Reader 4.0 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: <380edf24.18113402@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id RAA27789 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all When I try to print a pdf file (from pdflatex) to my HPDeskJet520 printer via Acrobat Reader 4.0, the integrals sign are chopped in half even if they appear ok on the screen... Did anyone experienced the same problem?? Thanks. Pierre Desjardins Sherbrooke, Québec 20-Oct-1999 0:26:14-GMT,1902;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07795 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA28117 for pdftex-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:17:24 -0400 Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (relay20.smtp.psi.net [38.8.20.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA28114 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:17:22 -0400 Received: from [206.119.47.99] (helo=THOMPSON-COZYKU) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 11djRB-0004Fy-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:17:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.1.9.19991019201515.00b0ed60@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1.9 (Beta) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:16:19 -0400 To: pierred1@sympatico.ca (Pierre Desjardins), pdftex@tug.org From: "Y&Y, Inc." Subject: Re: Printing problem with Acrobat Reader 4.0 In-Reply-To: <380edf24.18113402@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id UAA28115 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 05:17 PM 10/19/1999 -0400, Pierre Desjardins wrote: >Hi to all > >When I try to print a pdf file (from pdflatex) to my HPDeskJet520 printer >via Acrobat >Reader 4.0, the integrals sign are chopped in half even if they appear ok >on the >screen... > >Did anyone experienced the same problem?? > >Thanks. >Pierre Desjardins >Sherbrooke, Québec Yes, it is a well known problem with Arobat 4.0 and HP printer drivers. Complain to Adobe and HP. Meantime downgrade to Acrobat 3.0 Or use a PostScript printer. Regards. Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph 20-Oct-1999 7:53:30-GMT,2248;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17601 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA28954 for pdftex-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:38:49 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA28951 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:38:46 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.29]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4AC0; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:38:13 +0200 Message-ID: <380CF7CD.7DDB8005@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:59:25 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hutch@psfc.mit.edu CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bitmap Graphics inclusion broken, Vector Graphics ok. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hutch@psfc.mit.edu wrote: > 5) Unzip it and locate the file supp-pdf.tex. It is unzipped to > tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex > Replace the distribution file > /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex > with this new version. > > 6) \input supp-pdf in your TeX file to enable the \pdfimage command. It does not harm to replace the whole context base path with new files. In the context distribution, there is also a perl script (texexec.pl and texutil.pl). You can use these to filter pages from pdf files, combine pdf files, make booklets, make files with figure lists, etc. It uses context (so you have to generate a new format) but the things mentioned work with whatever pdf file. These is a manual on texexec on our site. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Oct-1999 8:06:42-GMT,3441;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17824 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 02:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA29009 for pdftex-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:56:38 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de (mail.detewe.de [194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA29006 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:56:36 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA6DE8 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:55:05 +0200 Message-ID: <380D766D.974BD1F3@detewe.de> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:59:41 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Q: hyperref + pdfpagetransition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id DAA29007 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, in trying to understand all the possibilities of PPower4 (P^4, Pdf Presentation Post Processor, http://www-sp.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/software/ppower4/) I created a small LaTeX-document to test the Acrobat page transition options. After processing the following file with 'pdflatex' and looking at the result in acroread, it looks like the \hyperref{pdfpagetransition=XXX} only effects the headings of each page. The remaining text on each page (itemize environment) is not rendered according to the wanted page transition. This is true for all possible transitions types (except R=Replace), though only two are shown in the test file). Any hints for me? Michael ----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8< \documentclass[30pt,landscape]{foils} \usepackage[english,german]{babel} \usepackage{hyperref} \hypersetup{pdftitle={Test}, pdfsubject={Test} } \begin{document} \foilhead{Page Transitions : Dissolve} \hypersetup{pdfpagetransition=Dissolve} \begin{itemize} \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \end{itemize} \foilhead{Page Transitions : Split} \hypersetup{pdfpagetransition={Split /Dm /H}} \begin{itemize} \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \item more text more text more text more text more text \end{itemize} \end{document} ----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8< ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Wiedmann | Cordless Technology A/S | Free your computer, Köpenicker Str. 180 | install Linux D-10997 Berlin | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 20-Oct-1999 11:36:34-GMT,1832;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21677 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 05:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA29587 for pdftex-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:19:22 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA29583 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:19:19 -0400 Received: from remote142-95.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.95] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11dtlo-0005SC-00; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:19:04 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991020130148.007a52b0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:01:48 +0200 To: "Michael Wiedmann" , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Q: hyperref + pdfpagetransition In-Reply-To: <380D766D.974BD1F3@detewe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:59 20.10.99 +0200, Michael Wiedmann wrote: >I created a small LaTeX-document to test the Acrobat page transition >options. [...] >\hyperref{pdfpagetransition=XXX} only effects the headings of each page. >The remaining text on each page (itemize environment) is not rendered >according to the wanted page transition. Try a different page body for a better effect. The pdf file is correct (with an uptodate hyperref): Page 1: /Trans << /S /Dissolve >> Page 2: /Trans << /S /Split /Dm /H >> Yours sincerely Heiko 20-Oct-1999 17:15:54-GMT,3301;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00047 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA30171 for pdftex-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:34:25 -0400 Received: from memphis.ime.unicamp.br (memphis.ime.unicamp.br [143.106.77.83]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA30168 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from ime.unicamp.br (net96144.ime.unicamp.br [143.106.96.144]) by memphis.ime.unicamp.br (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA27922 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:37:20 -0200 (EDT) Message-ID: <326A6285.3508108D@ime.unicamp.br> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:34:16 -0300 From: "M.P. Mello" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: balloon notes and movies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, there have been questions on this list regarding the inclusion of balloon notes and movies (animated gifs) in pdf documents. I tried out the solutions offered by Heiko and D.P. Story. The latter's piece of code didn't work (part of the log file below---versions of pdftex and hyperref can be found), maybe due to a conflict between different versions of pdflatex, and Heiko's worked in a unexpected (for me) way: a little icon appears and clicking on the icon makes the window with the note appear. I was thinking more in terms of a behavior typical of certain help documents (seems to have been D.P. Story's intention): the word is formatted in some special way (color, underlining, whatever) that gives a visual clue to the fact that there is an explanatory note attached to it. Are there pointers to solutions to any of these problems, solutions that may be implemented with **pdfLaTeX**? The other solutions suggested appear to involve the use of ConTeXt. Thank you. Margarida P. Mello Unicamp - Brasil This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-14a (CMacTeX) (format=pdflatex 1996.10.13) 20 OCT 1996 11:51 **&pdflatex dpstory.tex (dpstory.tex{/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.c fg} LaTeX2e <1998/12/01> patch level 1 Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, p ortuges, nohyphenation, loaded. (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1999/01/07 v1.4a Standard LaTeX document class (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo File: size10.clo 1999/01/07 v1.4a Standard LaTeX file (size option) ) \c@part=\count79 \c@section=\count80 \c@subsection=\count81 \c@subsubsection=\count82 \c@paragraph=\count83 \c@subparagraph=\count84 \c@figure=\count85 \c@table=\count86 \abovecaptionskip=\skip41 \belowcaptionskip=\skip42 \bibindent=\dimen102 ) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/hyperref.sty Package: hyperref 1999/10/05 6.66j Hypertext links for LaTeX l.68 ...study the \defterm{acoustics1}{acoustical} properties ? x 20-Oct-1999 19:39:11-GMT,2850;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04169 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA30499 for pdftex-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:11:56 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA30496 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11e17d-0006kK-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:10:05 +0100 Received: from max16.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.16] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11e17c-0007gN-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:10:05 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14350.5296.709069.912721@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:14:56 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [dpstory@uakron.edu] In-Reply-To: <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> References: <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: dpstory@uakron.edu I've had reports from several sources that my exerquiz packages does no work correctly with pdftex 14, whereas it did work correctly with pdftex 13, and yes I did rename the the primitives following hyperref's/Sebastian's lead. The problem lies in getting Document Level JavaScripts into the /Names tree. Using pdftex 13, the following code works correctly: \pdfobj {<< /Names [(InitializeVariables) \objInitializeVariables\space (InitializeQuiz) \objInitializeQuiz\space (ProcessQuestion) \objProcessQuestion\space (ProcUserResp) \objProcUserResp ] >>} \edef\objNames{\the\pdflastobj\space 0 R} \pdfnames {/JavaScript \objNames} The same code does not get compiled correctly by pdftex 14; hence, does not get into the Document JavaScripts. Any suggestions? Regards, Don Story Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Site Overview:http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Highlights: e-Calculus; Algebra Review in Ten Lessons; Mathematical Games; Pdfmarks:Links and Forms; Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW The Web and Exerquiz Packages for LaTeX and much, much more. 21-Oct-1999 3:04:10-GMT,2348;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@[158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15418 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA30997 for pdftex-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:49:54 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA30994 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:49:53 -0400 Received: from remote142-158.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.158] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11e8IW-0002M2-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:49:49 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991021044401.35671a9e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:44:01 +0200 To: "Dr. D. P. Story" , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [dpstory@uakron.edu] In-Reply-To: <14350.5296.709069.912721@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dr. D. P. Story wrote: > >I've had reports from several sources that my exerquiz packages >does no work correctly with pdftex 14, whereas it did work correctly >with pdftex 13, and yes I did rename the the primitives following >hyperref's/Sebastian's lead. The problem lies in getting Document >Level JavaScripts into the /Names tree. > >Using pdftex 13, the following code works correctly: >\pdfobj {<< /Names [(InitializeVariables) >\objInitializeVariables\space > (InitializeQuiz) \objInitializeQuiz\space > (ProcessQuestion) \objProcessQuestion\space > (ProcUserResp) \objProcUserResp > ] >>} >\edef\objNames{\the\pdflastobj\space 0 R} >\pdfnames {/JavaScript \objNames} > >The same code does not get compiled correctly by pdftex 14; >hence, does not get into the Document JavaScripts. \pdfobj has changed with 0.14, use \immediate\pdfobj. Yours sincerely Heiko 21-Oct-1999 6:48:00-GMT,1787;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20448 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA31712 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:35:32 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA31709 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:35:29 -0400 Received: from NEVERYON.ese-metz.fr (neveryon.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.220]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA03808; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:36:01 +0200 To: Heiko Oberdiek Cc: "Dr. D. P. Story" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [dpstory@uakron.edu] References: <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> <3.0.1.16.19991021044401.35671a9e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 21 Oct 1999 08:37:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: Heiko Oberdiek's message of "Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:44:01 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) XEmacs/21.2 (Shinjuku) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek writes: > \pdfobj has changed with 0.14, use \immediate\pdfobj. I did it, but it is not yet enough in this case. The behaviour is that I can see the procedures in Acrobat, but whenever I click on some link to initialize the Quizz, I get an error from JavaScript (no properties for this variable). -- Fabrice Popineau 21-Oct-1999 7:48:47-GMT,1785;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21573 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA31963 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:34:42 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31960 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:34:40 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.35]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7464; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: <380E526F.4807F82@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:38:23 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [dpstory@uakron.edu] References: <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> <14350.5296.709069.912721@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Using pdftex 13, the following code works correctly: > \pdfobj {<< /Names [(InitializeVariables) \immediate\pdfobj will solve your problem > Any suggestions? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Oct-1999 8:22:07-GMT,2149;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22229 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:22:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA32162 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:05:11 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA32159 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:05:07 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11eDDe-0007Jd-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:05:06 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eDDe-0000SL-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:05:06 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14350.51504.998072.29774@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:05:04 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["Denis B. Roegel" ] In-Reply-To: <199910210753.DAA32047@tug.org> References: <199910210753.DAA32047@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Denis B. Roegel" > (Can someone fix my subscription to the list? I get the messages, > but I can not send messages. Thanks.) I have changed the list so it says "Denis.Roegel@loria.fr", which is what you seem to be. ***************** Is it possible to have moving text, for instance to have a piece of text which moves from the right to the left, something like: frame1: S= 1/1 frame2: S= 1/1 frame3: S= 1/1 ... frame 10: S=1/1 + 1/2 frame11: S=1/1 + 1/2 frame12: S=1/1 + 1/2 etc. This example is silly, but I think there are cases where it might prove interesting. Thanks, Denis 21-Oct-1999 9:04:07-GMT,2435;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22967 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:04:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA32431 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:49:21 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA32428 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:49:19 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.17]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4592; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:48:47 +0200 Message-ID: <380EE0E9.1F238A4B@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:46:18 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrice POPINEAU CC: Heiko Oberdiek , "Dr. D. P. Story" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [dpstory@uakron.edu] References: <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> <199910201824.OAA30355@tug.org> <3.0.1.16.19991021044401.35671a9e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > I did it, but it is not yet enough in this case. > The behaviour is that I can see the procedures in Acrobat, but > whenever I click on some link to initialize the Quizz, I get an error > from JavaScript (no properties for this variable). Ah, that can be anything. Inproper javascript, fuzzy spacing in the scripts, wrong object structure. Embedding javascripts is something rather special, so I keep a sort of mental lists of pitfalls, saveguards, etc -) For instance, version 4 still not can show split up scripts. Did you test the stuff under version 3? Also, always restart the viewer after a bug. The acrobat js engine can hardly be classified as reentrant. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Oct-1999 10:38:30-GMT,1964;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24718 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:38:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00148 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:22:00 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (ipc4.uib.es [130.206.33.24]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00145 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:21:57 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (pcignasi.uib.es [130.206.134.178]) by ipc4.uib.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02056 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:21:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <380EE6F1.C8F1D4A8@ipc4.uib.es> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:12:01 +0200 From: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: Printing pdfslides Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------50174316BBAB7A314D40FE62" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------50174316BBAB7A314D40FE62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi is it possible to print the slides produced with pdfslide? how? 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Matemàtiques i Informàtica adr:;;Crta Valldemossa, km 7.5;Palma;Balears;07071;Spain version:2.1 email;internet:ignasi@ipc4.uib.es fn:Ignasi Furió Caldentey end:vcard --------------50174316BBAB7A314D40FE62-- 21-Oct-1999 10:50:12-GMT,2007;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24940 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00193 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:30:32 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00190 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:30:30 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.167]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7439; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:29:58 +0200 Message-ID: <380EF89F.3F3E94CD@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:27:27 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["Denis B. Roegel" ] References: <199910210753.DAA32047@tug.org> <14350.51504.998072.29774@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Is it possible to have moving text, for instance to have > a piece of text which moves from the right to the left, > something like: A matter of programming pages, you may want to take a look at: http://www.pragma-ade.nl/present/euronts/pre-nts.pdf One of some 7 presentation files used at the NTS presentation at eurotex. (Runs in full screen mode btw.) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Oct-1999 10:51:54-GMT,3313;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24983 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00277 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:38:33 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00273 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:38:29 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00275; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:37:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <380E2ECC.D36971A0@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:06:20 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: "Philip A. Viton" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: TrueType font -- printing References: <199910191654.SAA29290@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > > My experience was a bit different (with pdftex 14a): > > > > file contains Times text and math; printed from AcrobatReader 4 to file > > under winnt4 (Hp LJ 4/4M Plus PS600) and then did a binary copy of the > > resulting .ps file to the printer: everything (including ligatures and > > math) came out fine. > > > > (Thanh: I can supply the pdf and ps files if you'd like them). > > > >Some tests with a file that includes two TrueType fonts > > >(Lydian-Bold and LucidaCasual): > > > > > >AcrobatReader 3.01/Win 3.11: Errors during displaying, glyphs replaced > > > by black filled circs. > > >AcrobatReader 3/Linux: Displaying and conversion to PostScript are correct. > > >AcrobatReader 4/Linux: Displaying correct, but the conversion to > > > PostScript results in PostScript files with > > > incomplete font resources. The TrueType fonts > > > are replaced by Helvetica and Courier. > > I find out that setting PS Level 1 when printing with AcrobatReader 4/Linux can > help a bit. For some reason the first page can be wrong if the document contains > too many fonts (I don't know the limit, tried with over 100). However I > was not so lucky with AcrobatReader 3/Linux: all glyphs are left as blank when > displaying. gs is always happy, but pdf2ps seems to converts all fonts to > bitmaps. > > Thanh Using pdftex14a under Windows95, I made testfont.pdf for some truetype font. It looked fine on screen with Acrobat Reader 4 and gsview, Acobat Exchange 3.01 couldn't display the truetype font. I "printed" to a postscript file from Acrobat Reader 4 and then looked at the ps file using gsview. None of the glyphs from positions 128 on were displayed correctly (replaced by something else). I made a half-hearted attempt to fix it by editing the ps file, but without success. It appeared that the encoding vector for the truetype font was wrong in the postscript file. I didn't actually print it onto paper. Bob Howlett 21-Oct-1999 10:53:34-GMT,3507;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25000 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00247 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:36:40 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00244 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:36:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11eFaG-0007fR-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:36:37 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eFaG-0000Pe-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:36:36 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14350.60595.891265.720243@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:36:35 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdfobj etc In-Reply-To: <199910211019.GAA00135@tug.org> References: <199910211019.GAA00135@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: "D. P. Story" > On 21 Oct 99, at 10:46, Hans Hagen wrote: > Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > > > I did it, but it is not yet enough in this case. > > The behaviour is that I can see the procedures in Acrobat, but > > whenever I click on some link to initialize the Quizz, I get an error > > from JavaScript (no properties for this variable). > > Ah, that can be anything. Inproper javascript, fuzzy spacing in the > scripts, wrong object structure. Embedding javascripts is something > rather special, so I keep a sort of mental lists of pitfalls, > saveguards, etc -) For instance, version 4 still not can show split up > scripts. Did you test the stuff under version 3? Also, always restart the > viewer after a bug. The acrobat js engine can hardly be classified as > reentrant. > According to Hans and Heiko, and based on experiments of Fabrice, the solution is to use \immediate\pdfobj instead of just \pdfobj. (Though hyperref 6.66e does not reflect these suggestions.) My problem is that I do not have pdftex 14 (my test system is MikTeX, which has not distributed 14 yet.) I guess \immediate\pdfobj would work correclly with pdftex 13 or before as well. Thanks for your analysis and for the efforts of Fabrice. Regards, PS: I hope I don't bounce again. dps > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. 21-Oct-1999 11:12:47-GMT,2517;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25390 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00429 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:54:51 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00426 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:54:50 -0400 Received: from default (pacific23-171.infoserv.uakron.edu [130.101.2.171]) by uakron.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA11136 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910211054.GAA11136@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:54:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [dpstory@uakron.edu] Reply-to: story@uakron.edu In-reply-to: <380EE0E9.1F238A4B@wxs.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 21 Oct 99, at 10:46, Hans Hagen wrote: > > Ah, that can be anything. Inproper javascript, fuzzy spacing in the > scripts, wrong object structure. Embedding javascripts is something > rather special, so I keep a sort of mental lists of pitfalls, > saveguards, etc -) For instance, version 4 still not can show split up > scripts. Did you test the stuff under version 3? Also, always restart the > viewer after a bug. The acrobat js engine can hardly be classified as > reentrant. > I agree with Hans, embedding javascripts can be tricky. For pdftex code, I use \r quite frequently to force a carriage return. If the lines get too long, they get broken wrapped around to the next line, which can break the code. I've replaced \pdfobj by \immediate\pdfobj and this works on my test files using pdftex 13. So no harm done so far. Regards, dps Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. 21-Oct-1999 11:45:25-GMT,2322;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25973 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 05:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA00752 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:23:43 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA00749 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:23:31 -0400 Received: from remote142-135.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.135] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eGJb-0000dV-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:23:27 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991021131844.098f9c1e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:18:44 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Bug with \pdfpagesattr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 08:58 21.10.1999 +0200, Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > >By the way, I found another problem with pdftex-0.14c / hyperref 6.67 >(the file says version 6.66m, but it is the most recent one on ctan). >Namely, the following test file : > >\documentclass[a4paper]{article} >\usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} >\hypersetup{bookmarksopen=false,pdfpagemode=None,pdfpagescrop=53 436 389 704} > >\begin{document} >This is a test >\end{document} > >will not produce the expected crop pages. There is a >problem with the CropBox and setting it using \pdfpageattr instead of >\pdfpagesattr in hpdftex.def solves the problem. I added \usepackage{times} (shorter pdf file) and get: 14 0 obj << /Type /Pages /Count 1 /Kids [5 0 R] >> endobj /CropBox [53 436 389 704] 16 0 obj << ... The /CropBox is not part of the /Pages object, the ">> endobj" occurs too early. A shorter test file: \pdfpagesattr{/Foo /Bar} \nopagenumbers \hbox{} \bye results in a pdf file with the same error: 5 0 obj << /Type /Pages /Count 1 /Kids [2 0 R] >> endobj /Foo /Bar 6 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 5 0 R >> endobj Version: This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-14c-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.1) Yours sincerely Heiko 21-Oct-1999 12:00:16-GMT,1645;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26226 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA01090 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:48:10 -0400 Received: from danube.river-valley.com (IDENT:cvr@[203.197.152.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01059 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:47:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16328; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:16:26 +0530 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:15:53 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan C V To: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey cc: pdftex Subject: Re: Printing pdfslides In-Reply-To: <380EE6F1.C8F1D4A8@ipc4.uib.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id HAA01088 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Ignasi [iso-8859-1] Furió Caldentey wrote: > > is it possible to print the slides produced with pdfslide? > how? convert to ps and print. if that's not possible, please remark the line no 32 and 34 of pdfslide.sty, recompile your document so that the acrobat's menubar will be shown. you can print from file menu. the moral is a print button is a necessity! Radhakrishnan 21-Oct-1999 18:26:42-GMT,2525;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06376 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA03032 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:08:24 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03029 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:08:22 -0400 From: story@uakron.edu Received: from dpstory (story.mathsci-tp.uakron.edu [130.101.96.33]) by uakron.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA24560; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910211808.OAA24560@uakron.edu> To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:08:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: pdftex 14 and Hyperref CC: Fabrice POPINEAU , Sebastian Rahtz , Heiko Oberdiek In-reply-to: <14350.60595.891265.720243@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <199910211019.GAA00135@tug.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi All; Fabrice sent me a copy of his pdf file produced by pdftex 14 and probably the latest hyperref. One *major* problem is that the Forms dictionary is not present Using pdftex 13, the following is included in the pdf file, put in by hyperref 4 0 obj << /Fields [] /DR << /Font << /ZaDb 2 0 R /Helv 3 0 R >> >> /DA (/Helv 10 Tf 0 g ) /NeedAppearances true >> endobj This dictionary is not present in the same file produced by pdftex 14, (here I used Fabrice's pdf file.) Fabrice, this is why the textbox and the push button does not appear in the pdf file. It was stated in earlier e-mails that one had to use \immediate\pdfobj, but an inspection of hyperref shows this is not used. Perhaps \immediate\pdfobj is need when defining the AcroForm Dictionary. Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Site Overview:http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Highlights: e-Calculus; Algebra Review in Ten Lessons; Mathematical Games; Pdfmarks:Links and Forms; Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW The Web and Exerquiz Packages for LaTeX and much, much more. 21-Oct-1999 20:36:56-GMT,2115;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09920 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA03414 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:18:06 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03410 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:18:02 -0400 Received: from NEVERYON.ese-metz.fr (ppp3.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.223]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA07187; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:18:31 +0200 To: story@uakron.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org, Sebastian Rahtz , Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: pdftex 14 and Hyperref References: <199910211019.GAA00135@tug.org> <199910211808.OAA24560@uakron.edu> From: Fabrice POPINEAU In-Reply-To: story@uakron.edu's message of "Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:08:11 -0400" User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) XEmacs/21.2 (Shinjuku) Date: 21 Oct 1999 22:19:35 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 31 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk story@uakron.edu writes: > It was stated in earlier e-mails that one had to use > \immediate\pdfobj, but an inspection of hyperref shows this is not > used. Perhaps \immediate\pdfobj is need when defining the > AcroForm Dictionary. The alternate solution to \immediate\pdfobj is to reference the object: \pdfobj... \pdfrefobj\pdflastobj So maybe reference the dictionary object somewhere would help ? Something like : ------- exerquiz.sty, line 52 ---------- \AtEndDocument{% \include@quizsolutions \include@solutions \end{Form} \pdfrefobj\OBJ@acroform} ... And testing ... Bingo : it works ! Ok, I'm not the wizard so maybe there are other kludges when using more than one quiz and so on. Thanks for your help ! Fabrice 21-Oct-1999 20:59:58-GMT,2626;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10464 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA03506 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:35:57 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03503 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:35:53 -0400 From: story@uakron.edu Received: from dpstory (story.mathsci-tp.uakron.edu [130.101.96.33]) by uakron.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12059; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910212035.QAA12059@uakron.edu> To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:35:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pdftex 14 and Hyperref CC: Fabrice POPINEAU , Heiko Oberdiek References: story@uakron.edu's message of "Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:08:11 -0400" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Great! Glad to hear it works! The best place to fix the problem is in hyperref. On 21 Oct 99, at 22:19, Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > story@uakron.edu writes: > > > It was stated in earlier e-mails that one had to use > > \immediate\pdfobj, but an inspection of hyperref shows this is not used. > > Perhaps \immediate\pdfobj is need when defining the AcroForm > > Dictionary. > > The alternate solution to \immediate\pdfobj is to reference the > object: > \pdfobj... > \pdfrefobj\pdflastobj > > So maybe reference the dictionary object somewhere would help ? > Something like : > > ------- exerquiz.sty, line 52 ---------- > \AtEndDocument{% > \include@quizsolutions > \include@solutions > \end{Form} > \pdfrefobj\OBJ@acroform} > > > ... And testing ... Bingo : it works ! > > Ok, I'm not the wizard so maybe there are other kludges when using > more than one quiz and so on. > > Thanks for your help ! > > Fabrice > > Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Site Overview:http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Highlights: e-Calculus; Algebra Review in Ten Lessons; Mathematical Games; Pdfmarks:Links and Forms; Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW The Web and Exerquiz Packages for LaTeX and much, much more. 22-Oct-1999 4:17:39-GMT,3562;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21374 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id GAA22295 ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:15:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA01324; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:15:34 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:15:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910220415.GAA01324@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: LCS@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, malyshev@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject: BaKoMa fonts Sebastian asked some questions a while back on the pdftex list. LS> Leaving out Malyshev's BaKoMa fonts is not sensible for the > vast majority of users. These fonts are decidedly the most > complete set of Type 1 fonts available in the Computer Modern > style, and they are not yet widely distributed. SR> eh? which distribution does not include them? I suspect that to get the one-and-only complete and up-to-date version of the BaKoMa font collection is the one you get with the shareware BaKoMa TeX. Prove me wrong! The version of the BaKoMa fonts that Sergey and I have permission to distribute is not up-to-date. But the fonts are easier to exploit than the more compact version in BaKoMa TeX. I believe that this (our) BaKoMa font collection is more up-to-date than still other BaKoMa font distributions, but I could be wrong. So, yes, you can go and get a very useful edition of BaKoMa font collection at: ftp://topo.math.u-psud.fr/pub/tex/AcroDVI_alpha One that is usable under just about any OS. With pdftex. With dvipdfm. Etc. LS> You get some > nice sidekick fonts too like the rsfs (script) and the > LamsTeX arrow fonts and the XY fonts. SR> these are not from Basil, surely? They are. Dated 1997. LS> Private use is free. > Publication of PDF files requires a $15 shareware fee to > Malyshev for individuals, and $100 for commercial publishers. SR> per document? per year? once? come on, this is unreal.... Welcome to the strange but very real world of shareware. I like shareware because it gives talented young progammers the moral and physical independence they deserve early, and with a minimum of hassle. The remarkable thing is the degree of product support they manage to provide. As for the exact distribution conditions, always heed Malyshev's own copyright notices. SR> Basil Malyshev explicitly told me earlier this year > that the few BaKoMa fonts needed to fill the gaps > in the Blue Sky/Y&Y collection were complete freely > distributable and useable. Interesting news, even as hearsay. Does it mean that Malyshev has obtained outside financial support? Can you point to written confirmation? Has such a free package been posted by Malyshev? LS> Scientific elecronic publication is 98% CM. SR> If you replace "scientific" with "mathematical academic", > maybe we could agree on 60%? I should indeed have specified "mathematical, academic, and freely available" rather than just "scientific". If you want to work up some hard statistics for us, start with www.emis.de. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 22-Oct-1999 4:22:04-GMT,3887;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21575 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA05570 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:15:55 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA05567 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:15:47 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id GAA22295 ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:15:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA01324; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:15:34 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:15:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910220415.GAA01324@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: LCS@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, malyshev@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject: BaKoMa fonts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian asked some questions a while back on the pdftex list. LS> Leaving out Malyshev's BaKoMa fonts is not sensible for the > vast majority of users. These fonts are decidedly the most > complete set of Type 1 fonts available in the Computer Modern > style, and they are not yet widely distributed. SR> eh? which distribution does not include them? I suspect that to get the one-and-only complete and up-to-date version of the BaKoMa font collection is the one you get with the shareware BaKoMa TeX. Prove me wrong! The version of the BaKoMa fonts that Sergey and I have permission to distribute is not up-to-date. But the fonts are easier to exploit than the more compact version in BaKoMa TeX. I believe that this (our) BaKoMa font collection is more up-to-date than still other BaKoMa font distributions, but I could be wrong. So, yes, you can go and get a very useful edition of BaKoMa font collection at: ftp://topo.math.u-psud.fr/pub/tex/AcroDVI_alpha One that is usable under just about any OS. With pdftex. With dvipdfm. Etc. LS> You get some > nice sidekick fonts too like the rsfs (script) and the > LamsTeX arrow fonts and the XY fonts. SR> these are not from Basil, surely? They are. Dated 1997. LS> Private use is free. > Publication of PDF files requires a $15 shareware fee to > Malyshev for individuals, and $100 for commercial publishers. SR> per document? per year? once? come on, this is unreal.... Welcome to the strange but very real world of shareware. I like shareware because it gives talented young progammers the moral and physical independence they deserve early, and with a minimum of hassle. The remarkable thing is the degree of product support they manage to provide. As for the exact distribution conditions, always heed Malyshev's own copyright notices. SR> Basil Malyshev explicitly told me earlier this year > that the few BaKoMa fonts needed to fill the gaps > in the Blue Sky/Y&Y collection were complete freely > distributable and useable. Interesting news, even as hearsay. Does it mean that Malyshev has obtained outside financial support? Can you point to written confirmation? Has such a free package been posted by Malyshev? LS> Scientific elecronic publication is 98% CM. SR> If you replace "scientific" with "mathematical academic", > maybe we could agree on 60%? I should indeed have specified "mathematical, academic, and freely available" rather than just "scientific". If you want to work up some hard statistics for us, start with www.emis.de. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 22-Oct-1999 4:22:06-GMT,2612;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21579 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA05580 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:50 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA05576 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:47 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id GAA22299 ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:16:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA01330; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:16:38 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:16:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910220416.GAA01330@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: PDF \special's Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I wrote: > The saving grace is that those hyperspecials can > and will be waiting there in the DVI files of many scientific > articles and will come to life in any DVI viewer if and when > it implements them. I am not aware of a similar notion of > "special" in PDF that would let us gracefully anticipate > future improvements of PDF viewers ... Hans Hagen answered: > PDF viewers are expected to silently ignore anything > they don't understand. Unfortunately some don't. But this felicitous behavior unfortunately seems difficult if PDF does not understand the *syntax* for the material it does not understand. (What am I missing here?) Knuth requested that DVI drivers/viewers silently ignore (gracefully recover from) \special's that they cannot correctly interpret. Since TeX \special's have a clear and trivial syntax, this is a demand that a DVI driver can comply with reasonably well and with little effort. A genuine "\special" syntax for PDF would help us produce PDF files that have some hope of "lasting", say as long as a DVI file. Reprocessing from source is not always a viable option. For example, academic journals on www.emis.de are asked to provide a format that will never change, and many are not be willing to publish their ".tex" source. Also, since Hans' ConTeXt is *evolving* PDF \special's might even be of interest to him. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 22-Oct-1999 4:25:21-GMT,2839;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21650 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA05629 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:18:58 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA05626 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:18:55 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id GAA22306 ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:18:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA01338; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910220418.GAA01338@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: pdftex@tug.org, rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Subject: Re: speed compactness economy Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 Robert Howlett asked: > In a recent message Laurent Siebenmann referred to "the > compactness of DVI versus PDF". I had always thought > that the difference in size between dvi and pdf files > for the same tex document derives mainly from the fact > that the pdf file has font information embedded in it. > Of course, one wants fonts embedded to ensure > portability, but compressed fontless pdf files are > quite compact, I believe. Does anyone have any facts > and figures at hand on this point? Just look at my results posted 10 October 1999 for Sebastian's 10000 page test: 10K_pp.dvi.gz 154 624 octets 10K_pp.ps.gz 239 647 octets 10K_pp.pdf.gz 727 324 octets The big differences appear regularly when all formats are subjected to the same degree of compression: dvi < ps << pdf Note that the font burden is negligible in this example; these ratios are fairly typical of fontless tests. Some observers would like to claim that the uncompressed sizes give the correct measure. That is partly right but mostly wrong since: --- a viewer/processor could (and sometimes does) accept compressed forms (a point already made) --- even if you refuse all visible compressions, modem and many other data transport mechanisms will compress behind your back --- thus making compressed size the *true* measure of data transport cost in terms of money and time. There is a lot of data on file bulk in the Vancouver article by Lesenko and me; see http://topo.math.u-psud.fr/~lcs/acro-dvi_art_sept99.zip Cheers Larry Siebenmann 22-Oct-1999 8:47:59-GMT,2649;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27064 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 02:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA06420 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:37:06 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA06417 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:37:03 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11eaC6-0004aJ-00; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:37:02 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eaC6-0003sH-00; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:37:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14352.12324.167292.526741@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:36:36 +0100 (BST) To: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF \special's In-Reply-To: <199910220416.GAA01330@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910220416.GAA01330@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann writes: > > PDF viewers are expected to silently ignore anything > > they don't understand. Unfortunately some don't. > > But this felicitous behavior unfortunately seems difficult if > PDF does not understand the *syntax* for the material it does > not understand. (What am I missing here?) Knuth requested that An understanding of PDF syntax, I think :-} Unles _I_ am misreading (equally likely), the extension possible in PDF is exactly like \special, ie a defined syntax for the inclusion method, and complete freedom to interpret the contents > A genuine "\special" syntax for PDF would help us produce PDF > files that have some hope of "lasting", say as long as a DVI > file. Reprocessing from source is not always a viable option. I am glad your dvi files are long-lasting. Mine aren't. Nor is my TeX source. I just spent 2 evenings trying to process the LaTeX Graphics Companion after a gap of a mere 18 months. I cannot do it. A number of packages have changed so much that the examples no longer run. If I ran the dvi file, fonts have changed, support files have changed etc. The only way it could have worked would be if I had frozen my entire TeX system two years, which is a hell of a price to pay! Sebastian 22-Oct-1999 9:25:40-GMT,2507;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27861 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 03:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA06538 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:14:17 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (ipc4.uib.es [130.206.33.24]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA06534 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:14:09 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (pcignasi.uib.es [130.206.134.178]) by ipc4.uib.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04920; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:12:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38102872.4DF9EE05@ipc4.uib.es> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:03:46 +0200 From: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Radhakrishnan C V , pdftex Subject: Re: Printing pdfslides References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F59F2DD407A79F7283820E29" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F59F2DD407A79F7283820E29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radhakrishnan C V wrote: > > convert to ps and print. if that's not possible, please remark the line no > 32 and 34 of pdfslide.sty, recompile your document so that the acrobat's > menubar will be shown. you can print from file menu. > Following your suggestion I've found that just adding \hypersetup{menubar} in the *.tex file shows the menu again. I think this a better solution than modifying your *.sty file. > the moral is a print button is a necessity! > Yes but I agree Fabrice: just optional. Thank you Ignasi --------------F59F2DD407A79F7283820E29 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ignasi.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Ignasi Furió Caldentey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ignasi.vcf" begin:vcard n:Furió Caldentey;Ignasi tel;fax:+34 971 173003 tel;work:+34 971 173196 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Universitat de les Illes Balears;Dpt. Matemàtiques i Informàtica adr:;;Crta Valldemossa, km 7.5;Palma;Balears;07071;Spain version:2.1 email;internet:ignasi@ipc4.uib.es fn:Ignasi Furió Caldentey end:vcard --------------F59F2DD407A79F7283820E29-- 22-Oct-1999 9:52:03-GMT,4344;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28392 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 03:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA06743 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:38:27 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA06740 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:38:25 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.23.65]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7EB; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:37:47 +0200 Message-ID: <38102A05.FFC08223@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:10:29 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurent Siebenmann CC: pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF \special's References: <199910220416.GAA01330@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > Hans Hagen answered: > > > PDF viewers are expected to silently ignore anything > > they don't understand. Unfortunately some don't. > > But this felicitous behavior unfortunately seems difficult if > PDF does not understand the *syntax* for the material it does > not understand. (What am I missing here?) Knuth requested that > DVI drivers/viewers silently ignore (gracefully recover from) > \special's that they cannot correctly interpret. Since TeX > \special's have a clear and trivial syntax, this is a demand Well, the \special primitives may have a clear and trivial syntax, but some drivers have their own opinions on how to handle all 4 byte alternatives. Actually, because some drivers handle all 4 instead of the advised 2, they took away the opportunity to use the other 2 for extensions! So far for clear and trivial. I don't want to discuss the syntax of special commands, the stuff that goes into the \special{...}, because in that respect the tex world has proven to handle its standardization as bad as any commercial company. Actually, there is not even a standard. And, some special that are considered to be a standard are not entirely clear defined (take tpic specials, I once wrote a tpic to pdf converter and while trying to reverse engineer their behavior I ran into incompatible interpretations in viewers; and ps specials are the worst: instead of representing a concept, they are driver based). > that a DVI driver can comply with reasonably well and with > little effort. You know they don't! If I remember well we did some experiments (on the emj list) with that and found out that for extensions to dvi we could not use the two specials that the tex book had left open, simply because viewers did not comply the standards. > A genuine "\special" syntax for PDF would help us produce PDF > files that have some hope of "lasting", say as long as a DVI > file. Reprocessing from source is not always a viable option. > For example, academic journals on www.emis.de are asked to > provide a format that will never change, and many are not > be willing to publish their ".tex" source. Also, since Hans' > ConTeXt is *evolving* PDF \special's might even be > of interest to him. Oh, I could easilly draw a special syntax that would cover most, if only because that's how I implemented pdf support, as a rather generic pdf plug in into the rather generic special driver, with the specific dvi-based/pdftex on top of that. Concerning such a syntax, it would be rather un-pdf, in the sense that it would also aim at dvi3, so it will come eventually. But, to be honest, I'm not that convinced if, even if I came up with a syntax, dvi driver developpers would honor it -) So, for the moment I stick to the layered way of thinking. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Oct-1999 10:24:34-GMT,2078;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28963 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA07015 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:13:27 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA07012 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:13:21 -0400 Received: from NEVERYON.ese-metz.fr (neveryon.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.220]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25285; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:13:51 +0200 To: Javier Puertolas Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 14 and Hyperref References: <199910211019.GAA00135@tug.org> <199910211808.OAA24560@uakron.edu> From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 22 Oct 1999 12:14:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: Javier Puertolas's message of "Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:40:32 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) XEmacs/21.2 (Shinjuku) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Javier Puertolas writes: > I had too the problem that you have reported, when I include \immediate > before \pdfobj: No properties for variable 'this.Get...' > > Have you a solution for this problem? Yes, modify these lines to exerquiz.sty : % % These exercises use javascript and forms, so we need to % load in the AcroForm Dictionary. % \AtEndOfPackage{% \ifeq@pdftex \ifx\pdfstartlink\@undefined% less than version 14 \let\pdfstartlink\pdfannotlink \let\pdflinkmargin\@tempdima \let\pdfxform\pdfform \let\pdflastxform\pdflastform \let\pdfrefxform\pdfrefform \else \pdfrefobj\OBJ@acroform \fi\fi I wonder if hpdftex.def from hyperref.sty should do this or if it should be left to the client packages ? Fabrice Popineau 22-Oct-1999 11:46:13-GMT,1323;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00453 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA07493 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:27:23 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA07490 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:27:18 -0400 Received: from NEVERYON.ese-metz.fr (neveryon.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.220]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA29046 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:27:37 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex 0.14d, Acrobat Reader 4, win32 and Macs ? From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 22 Oct 1999 13:28:43 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) XEmacs/21.2 (Shinjuku) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Anybody can confirm that PDF files are compatibles between Macs and Windows ? I was just reported and error on MacIntosh when opening a file produced on Windows with pdftex-0.14d. -- Fabrice Popineau 22-Oct-1999 12:01:17-GMT,2260;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00715 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA07597 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:52:01 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA07594 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:51:59 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.160]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3F47; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:51:26 +0200 Message-ID: <38104095.E7B3F943@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:46:45 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF \special's References: <199910220416.GAA01330@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <14352.12324.167292.526741@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > An understanding of PDF syntax, I think :-} Unles _I_ am misreading > (equally likely), the extension possible in PDF is exactly like > \special, ie a defined syntax for the inclusion method, and complete > freedom to interpret the contents > I just spent 2 evenings trying to process the LaTeX Graphics Companion > after a gap of a mere 18 months. I cannot do it. A number of packages have Amen. A search on my system shows no archives of dvi, but do contain archives in pdf format. I've long ago given up downloading documentation in dvi format, although dviwindo does nicely substitute all those missing/funny encoded fonts by courier. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Oct-1999 12:26:08-GMT,2376;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01152 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05421; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:24:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA20442; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:26:33 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:26:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910221226.OAA20442@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Laurent Siebenmann Cc: LCS@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, malyshev@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject: Re: BaKoMa fonts In-Reply-To: <199910220415.GAA01324@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910220415.GAA01324@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit » LS> Scientific elecronic publication is 98% CM. » » SR> If you replace "scientific" with "mathematical academic", » > maybe we could agree on 60%? » » I should indeed have specified "mathematical, academic, and freely » available" rather than just "scientific". If you want to work up » some hard statistics for us, start with www.emis.de. I'd say that these elecronic publications are mostly "no fonts", because most of electronic articles i get are simply (la)tex source (xxx preprint server) that i print with the font set i like (plain TeX files i get are printed using Utopia, e.g., because my "plain" TeX format uses them...) Now, it is quite funny how professional publishers _never_ post DVI (typically journal summaries are in HTML, papers in PDF), and academic self-publishers (as EMIS, Annales de l'Institut Fourier...) insist on the DVI format being the smallest, quickest, etc. They're simply blind, not even realizing that figures vanish, that the unix special syntax is useless under other DVI viewers than xdvi, etc. It's plain arrogant amateurism and incompetence. Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. 22-Oct-1999 12:34:52-GMT,2033;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01448 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA07766 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:18:01 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA07763 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:17:59 -0400 Received: from remote142-154.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.154] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eddY-0004dX-00; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:17:36 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991022132956.3547c604@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:29:56 +0200 To: Fabrice POPINEAU , Javier Puertolas From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: pdftex 14 and Hyperref Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: References: <199910211019.GAA00135@tug.org> <199910211808.OAA24560@uakron.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 12:14 22.10.1999 +0200, Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: >\pdfrefobj\OBJ@acroform > >I wonder if hpdftex.def from hyperref.sty should do this or if it >should be left to the client packages ? I will add this to hpdftex.def. But there are several \pdfobj in hpdftex.def: \OBJ@pdfdocencoding \OBJ@ZaDb \OBJ@Helv: \OBJ@pdfdocencoding \OBJ@acroform: \OBJ@ZaDb, \OBJ@Helv So I have to add \pdfrefobj\OBJ@pdfdocencoding \pdfrefobj\OBJ@ZaDb \pdfrefobj\OBJ@Helv \pdfrefobj\OBJ@acroform to \def\@Form[#1]{...}. Yours sincerely Heiko 22-Oct-1999 13:10:08-GMT,2678;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02352 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA08181 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:58:18 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08177 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:58:16 -0400 From: story@uakron.edu Received: from dpstory (story.mathsci-tp.uakron.edu [130.101.96.33]) by uakron.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13376; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910221258.IAA13376@uakron.edu> To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:58:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pdftex 14 and Hyperref CC: Fabrice POPINEAU References: Javier Puertolas's message of "Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:40:32 +0200" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 22 Oct 99, at 12:14, Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > Javier Puertolas writes: > > > I had too the problem that you have reported, when I include \immediate > > before \pdfobj: No properties for variable 'this.Get...' > > > > Have you a solution for this problem? > > Yes, modify these lines to exerquiz.sty : > > % > % These exercises use javascript and forms, so we need to > % load in the AcroForm Dictionary. > % > \AtEndOfPackage{% > \ifeq@pdftex > \ifx\pdfstartlink\@undefined% less than version 14 > \let\pdfstartlink\pdfannotlink > \let\pdflinkmargin\@tempdima > \let\pdfxform\pdfform > \let\pdflastxform\pdflastform > \let\pdfrefxform\pdfrefform > \else > \pdfrefobj\OBJ@acroform > \fi\fi > > I wonder if hpdftex.def from hyperref.sty should do this or if it > should be left to the client packages ? > > Fabrice Popineau > Most definitely this should be done by hyperref. The AcroForms dictionary was included in pdftex 13 and not in pdftex 14. Modifications to hyperref are in order. dps Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Site Overview:http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Highlights: e-Calculus; Algebra Review in Ten Lessons; Mathematical Games; Pdfmarks:Links and Forms; Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW The Web and Exerquiz Packages for LaTeX and much, much more. 22-Oct-1999 13:26:46-GMT,1678;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02695 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA08283 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:07:58 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08280 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:07:43 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09101 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:07:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA21648; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910221310.PAA21648@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF \special's In-Reply-To: <38104095.E7B3F943@wxs.nl> References: <199910220416.GAA01330@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <14352.12324.167292.526741@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <38104095.E7B3F943@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » in dvi format, although dviwindo does nicely substitute all those » missing/funny encoded fonts by courier. I imagine how nice the ct ligature in AGaramond Alternate would render in Courier ;-) Thierry Bouche. 22-Oct-1999 14:22:07-GMT,1556;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04058 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:22:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA08921 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:10:37 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08915 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:10:20 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21504; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:09:05 -0400 To: Fabrice POPINEAU Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.14d, Acrobat Reader 4, win32 and Macs ? References: From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 22 Oct 1999 10:09:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: Fabrice POPINEAU's message of "22 Oct 1999 13:28:43 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fabrice POPINEAU writes: > Anybody can confirm that PDF files are compatibles between Macs and > Windows ? I was just reported and error on MacIntosh when opening a > file produced on Windows with pdftex-0.14d. What happened? -- --Ed Cashin PGP public key: ecashin@coe.uga.edu http://www.coe.uga.edu/~ecashin/pgp/ 22-Oct-1999 14:23:35-GMT,1930;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04101 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA08790 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:58:06 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08787 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:58:03 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.160]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA267C; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:57:16 +0200 Message-ID: <38107AB1.61FE0C1B@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:54:41 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrice POPINEAU CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.14d, Acrobat Reader 4, win32 and Macs ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > Anybody can confirm that PDF files are compatibles between Macs and > Windows ? I was just reported and error on MacIntosh when opening a > file produced on Windows with pdftex-0.14d. I recently made a rather large collection of files for someone mac based. No problems reported with the current version, but the previous (at least one of them) produced files that were not accepted by mac. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Oct-1999 14:52:15-GMT,1677;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04867 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA09307 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:33:14 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA09304 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:33:11 -0400 Received: from remote142-157.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.157] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11efkj-0007Oi-00; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:33:10 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19991022162902.0857b416@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:29:02 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: pdftex 14 and Hyperref Cc: Fabrice POPINEAU , Javier Puertolas , Sebastian Rahtz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I wrote: >At 12:14 22.10.1999 +0200, Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > >>\pdfrefobj\OBJ@acroform >> >>I wonder if hpdftex.def from hyperref.sty should do this or if it >>should be left to the client packages ? > >I will add this to hpdftex.def. Done: http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip (6.67a) Yours sincerely Heiko 22-Oct-1999 16:56:15-GMT,2075;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08399 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA10577 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:39:06 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10574 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:39:04 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.10]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2C1F; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:38:32 +0200 Message-ID: <38109CC9.F76949F6@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:20:09 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PDF \special's References: <199910220416.GAA01330@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <14352.12324.167292.526741@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <38104095.E7B3F943@wxs.nl> <199910221310.PAA21648@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id MAA10575 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > > » in dvi format, although dviwindo does nicely substitute all those > » missing/funny encoded fonts by courier. > > I imagine how nice the ct ligature in AGaramond Alternate would render > in Courier ;-) As long as text is english it's ok, but indeed most other languages are off worse. For them pdf --even with its problems-- is the better alternative. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 23-Oct-1999 5:10:34-GMT,5690;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26268 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA01508 for pdftex-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:58:29 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (mathups.math.u-psud.fr [194.199.162.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA01505 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:58:27 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id GAA29313 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA08090 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910230458.GAA08090@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: math archive policies Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ********* math archive policies ********** After some earlier exchanges on fonts and file formats for free electronic math publication, Thierry Bouche has just made comments on pdftex@tug.org that I consider misleading. TB> I'd say that these elecronic publications are mostly "no > fonts", because most of electronic articles i get are > simply (la)tex source (xxx preprint server) that i print > with the font set i like (plain TeX files i get are printed > using Utopia, e.g., because my "plain" TeX format uses > them...) Thierry is immediately straying away from the my specified realm (the refereed electronic publications) and into "samizdat": preprints and new publication concepts. But OK -- xxx is of undeniable interest in itself. The xxx preprint server, come e-print archive, was founded by Paul Ginsparg. It offers the reading public not just TeX source format but ALL of ".tex", ".dvi", ".ps", ".pdf". Further, one can request the files compressed or not. The xxx technology is quite impressive:- the archive is 'scalable' and includes some sort of version control. The xxx archive DOES NOT force anyone to compile ".tex" files to read the articles. On the contrary it resembles other servers systems like ELib EMS at www.emis.de. They DO insist at xxx on receiving TeX source from authors (not PDF). That is exceptional and has been attacked as narrow-minded. But there are some defensible reasons, albeit purely technical: --- only TeX source (and surely not PDF!) can today generate ALL other formats. --- the archive aims to be permanent and comprehensive (all science?), but inexpensive. Hence a single compact format (".tex") is used to generate all others ON-THE-FLY. They probably have all versions of LaTeX, and hopefully LamsTeX, Context, Plain e-Plain and others --- all set to compile on a millisecond's notice. And, yes, PDFTeX could reasonably pretend to be the best typesetting engine for xxx, a role not often mentioned on the pdftex list. TB> Now, it is quite funny how professional publishers _never_ post > DVI (typically journal summaries are in HTML, papers in PDF) A onother wild change of context. But OK. Now, is that really surprising at all? Professional publishers view the fall of publication costs with justifiable alarm, since even a short term fall in revenues is quickly perceived as a kiss of death. So they are novelty-hungry and lavish, or frankly wasteful. TB> and academic self-publishers (as EMIS, Annales de > l'Institut Fourier...) insist on the DVI format being > the smallest, quickest, etc. EMIS is the European Math Information Service whose greatest accomplishment is building the ELib EMS (the electronic library of the European Math Society) the most important server of freely available refereed electronic publications of a mathematical bent. It is not really a publisher, but rather a non-profit distributor -- of refereed electronic math publications posted free of charge to readers. Visit it at www.emis.de and its several dozen mirrors. There one finds not a scrap of support for the assertion that EMIS insists "... on the DVI format being the smallest, quickest, etc." Perhaps Thierry is insensed that EMIS has been allowing its publishers to offer whatever formats they see fit, thereby letting each format prove its own merits! TB> They're simply blind, not even realizing that figures vanish, > that the unix special syntax is useless under other DVI > viewers than xdvi, etc. Ah, but figures in DVI files vanish less and less. The overwhelming majority of DVI drivers now support in some fashion the syntax for EPS graphics inclusion that Rokicki introduced for his epsf.tex and his dvips. It is a good "de facto" standard. Malyshev's dvi-to-pdf converter and his DVIew made the sensible decision to support Rokicki syntax wherever possible (not just for eps graphics!); Y&Y's viewer has long done so; and dvipdf has joined the movement in develloping AcroDVI. It works, and it makes sense. As for the important unix special syntax for hyperreferences (Arthur Smith's), no one denies that it has been supported and can be universally supported. I see no obstacle to a consensus develloping. Incidentally, I like the idea of also supporting the more primitive Y&Y hyperreference \special, the one that explicitly specifies a 'link rectangle'. TB> It's plain arrogant amateurism and incompetence. Strong words --- weak arguments. Cheers Larry Siebenmann 24-Oct-1999 21:06:33-GMT,4922;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03458 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA09820 for pdftex-list; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:39:19 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09817 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:39:18 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.149.44]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA7A0; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:38:38 +0200 Message-ID: <381245C7.EFFA88B7@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:33:27 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: math archive policies References: <199910230458.GAA08090@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann wrote: > After some earlier exchanges on fonts and file formats for > free electronic math publication, Thierry Bouche has just made > comments on pdftex@tug.org that I consider misleading. Hm. Did I miss some mail or was it maybe a personal one to you that you made public? > --- only TeX source (and surely not PDF!) can today generate > ALL other formats. Can you point me to a free tex to rtf converter or direct html (independant of macro packages)? > TB> Now, it is quite funny how professional publishers _never_ post > > DVI (typically journal summaries are in HTML, papers in PDF) > > A onother wild change of context. But OK. Now, is that really > surprising at all? Professional publishers view the fall of > publication costs with justifiable alarm, since even a short > term fall in revenues is quickly perceived as a kiss of > death. So they are novelty-hungry and lavish, or frankly > wasteful. If you (LS) stick to math typeset using tex using minimal typographic and layout design in computer modern typefaces in the original encoding, you are sort of right. But there happen to be people (and although it may surprise you, even publishers) who do design their documents, use different fonts, a bit of color here and there, some graphics maybe, etc. Now, if you prefer dvi in all circumstances over pdf, fine, but don't start harassing people in your sort of crusade against pdf and publishers and whoever wants to do other things than math in cmr. > TB> They're simply blind, not even realizing that figures vanish, > > that the unix special syntax is useless under other DVI > > viewers than xdvi, etc. > > Ah, but figures in DVI files vanish less and less. The Figures in dvi are as untrustworthy as ole linking to graphics in microsoft word, but with the advantage that (if you're lucky) the viewer silently ignores unknown specials. Color, figures and much more is not part of dvi, but is dealt with in non standard specials. Get me right, I like the concept of specials, and they garuantee tex its long live space, but please don't preach that dvi is the most portable format there is. > overwhelming majority of DVI drivers now support in some > fashion the syntax for EPS graphics inclusion that Rokicki Ah yes, in 'some fashion', just like the many flavors of ps inclusion. > possible (not just for eps graphics!); Y&Y's viewer has long > done so; and dvipdf has joined the movement in develloping The yandy documentation is very clear on potential clashes. Actually, there are switches to force behavior/choices. BTW, there were times that I could savely include several specials to include the same figure, just to make sure that they showed up in more viewers, now, in some viewers they would show up (and be printed) several times (imagine a dvi archive supporting 5 viewers with 5 parallel specials including a 1 megabyte bitmap to be viewed in your acrodvi). Supporting as much as possible is ok, but breaks portability. > consensus develloping. Incidentally, I like the idea of also > supporting the more primitive Y&Y hyperreference \special, the > one that explicitly specifies a 'link rectangle'. That one is actually one of the best and rather well compatible with pdf. > TB> It's plain arrogant amateurism and incompetence. > > Strong words --- weak arguments. It would be healthy for this list if your own words were a bit less strong and your arguments a bit less weak. -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 25-Oct-1999 4:31:45-GMT,4241;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12052 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA10724 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:14:07 -0400 Received: from matups.math.u-psud.fr (matups.matups.fr [192.54.146.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA10721 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:13:49 -0400 Received: from topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (topodyn.math.u-psud.fr [192.54.146.70]) by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id GAA01959 ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:13:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lcs@localhost) by topodyn.math.u-psud.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id GAA10151; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:13:40 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:13:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: Laurent Siebenmann Message-Id: <199910250413.GAA10151@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> To: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, malyshev@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: BaKoMa fonts on TeXLive Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Sebastian, Your TeXLive4 of March 1999, which has enjoyed exceptionally wide circulation by TeX groups, does indeed contain BaKoMa Type 1 versions of CM and AMS fonts going beyond the entirely free (but carefully copyrighted) CMPS and AMSPS collections. Curiously, you seemingly do not provide any copyright notice for this vital fragment of the BaKoMa font collection, nor even the author's name and address. That shows scant respect for Malyshev's rather crucial work. SR> Basil Malyshev explicitly told me earlier this year > that the few BaKoMa fonts needed to fill the gaps > in the Blue Sky/Y&Y collection were complete freely > distributable and useable. The following was cc'd to Malyshev with your assertion. LS> Interesting news, even as hearsay. Does it mean that Malyshev > has obtained outside financial support? Can you point to > written confirmation? Has such a free package been posted by > Malyshev? You answered: SR> I foolishly did NOT keep the email from Basil. So > unless he wants to publicly repeat the statement, I > propose to withdraw from my position on this. Well, so far, he has not, and I have left a couple of weeks for him to intervene. LS> I suspect that to get the one-and-only complete and up-to-date > version of the BaKoMa font collection is the one you get with > the shareware BaKoMa TeX. Prove me wrong! RS> I might look. To be honest, I do not really have the > enthusiasm to track down variants of BaKoMa fonts. It just > isn't worth the hassle of trying to find variations and > understand licenses. That is a shocking statement for someone who edits CDs for a highly responsible organisation like TUG. SR> OK, have looked at them, and read the license. Looks > like I shall have to remove the fonts from TeX Live. QUITE THE CONTRARY, Sebastian! If in fact you accidentally or intentionally violated Basil Malyshev's copyright on your recent TeX-Live 4 --- and that is something that I am sure we can we can ascertain --- then, in the interests of decency in the TeX world, I say you had better at very least offer to include the full BaKoMa on the very next version of TeX Live, along with Malyshev's full copyright and/or shareware notices. Does that sound fair to you Sebastian? The copyright notice I have for the 1998 BaKoMa font package accompanying the distribution of AcroDVI/dvipdf at ftp://topo.math.u-psud.fr/pub/tex/AcroDVI_alpha states explicitly: BM> You may freely distribute unaltered copies of this > software including this notice. Altered copies may not > be distributed. One last question, Sebastian. To what extent is TeXLive a lucrative activity for you? Basil Malyshev certainly needs support in some form to pursue his pioneering TeX work that has been so vital to me and others. Very sincerely, Larry Siebenmann PS. The quotations above (except BM's) come from the pdftex list , October 1999. 25-Oct-1999 7:37:43-GMT,3000;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15933 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:37:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA11238 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:25:05 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA11235 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 03:25:01 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09641 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:24:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA12062; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:25:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:25:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199910250725.JAA12062@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: math archive policies In-Reply-To: <199910230458.GAA08090@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> References: <199910230458.GAA08090@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Laurent Siebenmann écrit : « [XXX] » And, yes, PDFTeX could reasonably pretend » to be the best typesetting engine for xxx, a role not often » mentioned on the pdftex list. Not _that_ reasonnably: what about pstricks, or EPS inclusion? Asking for TeX source is a very good policy to be able to generate arbitrary output format. Especially because then, the proposed formats are not limited to the author generated DVI, or 300dpi bitmapped PS... Moreover, it could allow them to automatically enrich the author's papers with hypertext features, using e.g. hyperref--I don't know if it's what they do now, though. This said, the assertion that TeX source is portable is false, because for example, so many authors almost suppress the margins in their documents (even in LaTeX), and don't realize they will be truncated if printed on a4 paper. At least, in PDF you may `fit to page'... » Ah, but figures in DVI files vanish less and less. The » overwhelming majority of DVI drivers now support in some » fashion the syntax for EPS graphics inclusion that Rokicki » introduced for his epsf.tex and his dvips. It is a good "de » facto" standard. My comments concerned current situation. What about textures users? Of course, if there were a standard, and if missing fonts or figures could be fetched across the internet with no user interaction (even when the dvi is made by texture (resp. y&y or fp TeX), and includes a PICT resource (resp. JPEG, PCX, WMF...)), DVI could be a serious format for electronic posting of typeset documents. It is unfortunately not, currently. Thierry Bouche 25-Oct-1999 8:29:53-GMT,5528;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16861 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA11470 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:16:42 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA11466 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:16:36 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.239]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA506; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:16:03 +0200 Message-ID: <38141B09.1345EC33@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:55:37 +0100 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurent Siebenmann CC: lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, malyshev@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: BaKoMa fonts on TeXLive References: <199910250413.GAA10151@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Laurent, Why do you keep on posting this kind of annoying mails to this list? I could imagine you starting discussions on 'how acrodvi works as plug in, or, how acrodvi well copes with 50.000 hyperlinks and so on, but the dvi versus pdf discussion, as well as the following, does not belong on this list. > collections. Curiously, you seemingly do not provide any > copyright notice for this vital fragment of the BaKoMa font > collection, nor even the author's name and address. That shows > scant respect for Malyshev's rather crucial work. I suggest you go through the pdftex mail archive and seek references to the bakoma's. They were discussed long ago, so there you can probably find opinions about the fuzzy state of affairs. > SR> Basil Malyshev explicitly told me earlier this year > > that the few BaKoMa fonts needed to fill the gaps > > in the Blue Sky/Y&Y collection were complete freely > > distributable and useable. Why don't you want to believe Sebastian? You seem to be the only one *not* believing what he's saying. > Well, so far, he has not, and I have left a couple of > weeks for him to intervene. That's exactly the problem, isn't it? No response, not even to you, who uses his fonts. So, why not wait before you bark? > LS> I suspect that to get the one-and-only complete and up-to-date > > version of the BaKoMa font collection is the one you get with > > the shareware BaKoMa TeX. Prove me wrong! > > RS> I might look. To be honest, I do not really have the > > enthusiasm to track down variants of BaKoMa fonts. It just > > isn't worth the hassle of trying to find variations and > > understand licenses. > > That is a shocking statement for someone who edits CDs > for a highly responsible organisation like TUG. This sounds like you don't have the faintest idea on how much work such a project takes. There happens to be some of my macros on that cd, and I can assure you that sebastian cum suis contacted every author on the licence, the latest versions etc. And concerning TUG, I just read a report on the acrodvi talk, and it seems the demo didn't even work. So, please, package your own stuff decently before you start yelling at others! > SR> OK, have looked at them, and read the license. Looks > > like I shall have to remove the fonts from TeX Live. > > QUITE THE CONTRARY, Sebastian! If in fact you accidentally > or intentionally violated Basil Malyshev's copyright on > your recent TeX-Live 4 --- and that is something that I am > sure we can we can ascertain --- then, in the interests of > decency in the TeX world, I say you had better at very > least offer to include the full BaKoMa on the > very next version of TeX Live, along with Malyshev's > full copyright and/or shareware notices. > > Does that sound fair to you Sebastian? Are these Basil's words or yours? I'm sure Sebastian knows pretty well who he's dealing with, so you can trust him to handle things properly. I do, I suppose all on this list except you do, so why this personal vendetta? > One last question, Sebastian. To what extent is > TeXLive a lucrative activity for you? Basil Malyshev Larry, now you're even disgusting. > certainly needs support in some form to pursue his > pioneering TeX work that has been so vital to me and > others. Then how about this: write a begging letter to all emj list members, including the big organizations, and math cd people, and ask them for a donation, or like AMS did, let your people buy the fonts for all of us. Or, given that you keep on pressing the importance of dvi for whoever (especially the academic world), make sure your university gives Basil a grant or so. By writing this kind of offensive mails, you harm Basil instead of doing him a favor! I'm sure many people (on this list) appreciate all the work Basil did, but you're sort of spoiling that appreciation. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- 25-Oct-1999 8:53:34-GMT,2147;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17258 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA11673 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:41:46 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA11669 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:41:44 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11ffhH-0007B3-00; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:41:43 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ffhH-0007Sj-00; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:41:43 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14356.6085.903274.955067@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:41:41 +0100 (BST) To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, malyshev@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BaKoMa fonts on TeXLive In-Reply-To: <38141B09.1345EC33@wxs.nl> References: <199910250413.GAA10151@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <38141B09.1345EC33@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > I could imagine you starting discussions on 'how acrodvi works as plug in, > or, how acrodvi well copes with 50.000 hyperlinks and so on, but the dvi > versus pdf discussion, as well as the following, does not belong on this > list. As list owner, I must concur, and ask Laurent to switch the discussion elsewhere; otherwise I will have to exercise my powers and remove his name from the list. Laurent's concerns _are_ potentially important, but they do not relate to the subject matter of the pdftex list. I have replied to Laurent's points, copying my reply to the TUG Board, who seem to be the appropriate authority to debate the point. Sebastian 25-Oct-1999 10:51:31-GMT,4623;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19442 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:51:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA12178 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:18:13 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (smtp.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA12175 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 06:18:10 -0400 Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JHJUTDNXRI003KNZ@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:17:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:21:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: BaKoMa fonts on TeXLive In-reply-to: <38141B09.1345EC33@wxs.nl> To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: Laurent.Siebenmann@math.u-psud.fr, lcs@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr, lesenko@mx.ihep.su, malyshev@mx.ihep.su, pdftex@tug.org, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Message-id: <14356.19251.352018.956966@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199910250413.GAA10151@topodyn.math.u-psud.fr> <38141B09.1345EC33@wxs.nl> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen writes: Hans> Dear Laurent, Why do you keep on posting this kind of Hans> annoying mails to this list? I could imagine you starting Hans> discussions on 'how acrodvi works as plug in, or, how Hans> acrodvi well copes with 50.000 hyperlinks and so on, but the Hans> dvi versus pdf discussion, as well as the following, does Hans> not belong on this list. LS> I suspect that to get the one-and-only complete and up-to-date >> > version of the BaKoMa font collection is the one you get with >> > the shareware BaKoMa TeX. Prove me wrong! >> RS> I might look. To be honest, I do not really have the >> > enthusiasm to track down variants of BaKoMa fonts. It just > >> isn't worth the hassle of trying to find variations and > >> understand licenses. >> SR> OK, have looked at them, and read the license. Looks >> > like I shall have to remove the fonts from TeX Live. >> >> QUITE THE CONTRARY, Sebastian! If in fact you accidentally or >> intentionally violated Basil Malyshev's copyright on your >> recent TeX-Live 4 --- and that is something that I am sure we >> can we can ascertain --- then, in the interests of decency in >> the TeX world, I say you had better at very least offer to >> include the full BaKoMa on the very next version of TeX Live, >> along with Malyshev's full copyright and/or shareware notices. Where did this come from? Don't you remember that TeX-live is a free project? I fail to see why you want to degrade TeX-live into a distribution medium for shareware programs. IMO, all stuff on TeX-live should be usable without breaking copyrights¬ices. If that cannot be so, the offending package should be removed because there is more than enough other stuff that does want to have a place on the CD. [snip] >> One last question, Sebastian. To what extent is TeXLive a >> lucrative activity for you? Hans> Larry, now you're even disgusting. >> Basil Malyshev >> certainly needs support in some form to pursue his pioneering >> TeX work that has been so vital to me and others. Hans> Then how about this: write a begging letter to all emj list Hans> members, including the big organizations, and math cd Hans> people, and ask them for a donation, or like AMS did, let Hans> your people buy the fonts for all of us. Or, given that you Hans> keep on pressing the importance of dvi for whoever Hans> (especially the academic world), make sure your university Hans> gives Basil a grant or so. By writing this kind of offensive Hans> mails, you harm Basil instead of doing him a favor! I'm sure Hans> many people (on this list) appreciate all the work Basil Hans> did, but you're sort of spoiling that appreciation. Firmly agree with Hans on the above two statements. Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- 25-Oct-1999 15:54:25-GMT,4267;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26373 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13171 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:11:32 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (ipc4.uib.es [130.206.33.24]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13167 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:09:55 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (pcignasi.uib.es [130.206.134.178]) by ipc4.uib.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09747 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:08:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3814704C.EFB0F345@ipc4.uib.es> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:59:24 +0200 From: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: Slide dimenssions + seminar + pdftex Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FF57233CE809AF26983B6940" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FF57233CE809AF26983B6940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, when I process a "seminar.cls" slide collection with pdflatex I don't obtain slides with the right dimenssion. I attach a .tex example with two slides. If I process this file with LaTeX (Miktex 1.20e) + dvipdfm (v0.10.5) I obtain a pdf file with two a4 portrait slides. If I process the same file with pdflatex (MikTex-pdfTeX 1.8 (pdfTeX 0.13d)) I obtain little slides, about 25% of the desired size and located at the upper left corner of the a4 slide. Any help ? Thank you. Ignasi --------------FF57233CE809AF26983B6940 Content-Type: application/x-tex; name="teoinfo.tex" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="teoinfo.tex" \documentclass[a4,portrait]{seminar} \usepackage{fancybox} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage{amsthm} \usepackage{epsfig} %\usepackage{epsf} \usepackage{array} \usepackage{graphicx} \newcommand{\lgm}{l$\cdot$l} \renewcommand{\slidebottommargin}{1.in} \renewcommand{\slidetopmargin}{.5in} \renewcommand{\sliderightmargin}{.5in} \epsfslidesize \newpagestyle{mypagestyle}{}{{\tiny Codificaci\'{o} de font} \hfil} \newcommand{\heading}[1]{\begin{center}\Large\bf #1\end{center}} \newcommand{\subheading}[1]{{\large\bf #1}} \newcommand{\subsubheading}[1]{{\bf #1}} \newlength{\mylength} \newenvironment{FramedFigure}% {\begin{figure}[h] \begin{Sbox}% \setlength{\mylength}{\textwidth}% \addtolength{\mylength}{-2\fboxsep}% \addtolength{\mylength}{-2\fboxrule}% \begin{minipage}{\mylength}}% {\end{minipage}\end{Sbox}\mbox{\TheSbox}\end{figure}}% \newenvironment{FramedTable}% {\begin{table}[h] \begin{Sbox}% \setlength{\mylength}{\textwidth}% \addtolength{\mylength}{-2\fboxsep}% \addtolength{\mylength}{-2\fboxrule}% \begin{minipage}{\mylength}}% {\end{minipage}\end{Sbox}\mbox{\TheSbox}\end{table}}% \title{TRANSMISSI\'{O} DE DADES \\ Codificaci\'{o} de font} \author{\textmd{Guillem Femenias} \\ \textmd{Departament de Matem\`{a}tiques i Inform\`{a}tica} \\ \textmd{Universitat de les Illes Balears} \\ \date{}} \pagestyle{mypagestyle} \begin{document} \slideframe{oval} %\raggedslides[2em] \newtheorem{definicio}{Definici\'{o}} \newtheorem{teorema}{Teorema} \newtheorem{corolari}{Corolari}[teorema] \ptsize{8} \begin{slide*}[9.5in,7in] %portada \maketitle \newslide \heading{Informaci\'{o}, incertesa i entropia} \end{slide*} \end{document} --------------FF57233CE809AF26983B6940 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ignasi.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Ignasi Furió Caldentey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ignasi.vcf" begin:vcard n:Furió Caldentey;Ignasi tel;fax:+34 971 173003 tel;work:+34 971 173196 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Universitat de les Illes Balears;Dpt. Matemàtiques i Informàtica adr:;;Crta Valldemossa, km 7.5;Palma;Balears;07071;Spain version:2.1 email;internet:ignasi@ipc4.uib.es fn:Ignasi Furió Caldentey end:vcard --------------FF57233CE809AF26983B6940-- 26-Oct-1999 11:46:17-GMT,2705;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA24857 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA17672 for pdftex-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:26:34 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (ipc4.uib.es [130.206.33.24]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17669 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:26:30 -0400 Received: from ipc4.uib.es (pcignasi.uib.es [130.206.134.178]) by ipc4.uib.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11772 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38158D99.A1F2E2F4@ipc4.uib.es> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:16:41 +0200 From: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: ca,es,en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: strange behaviour of \end{screen} in pdfscreen Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6FC780AB9EC8A78FF0C3D66D" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6FC780AB9EC8A78FF0C3D66D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, when I pdftex (Miktex) the file \documentclass{article} \usepackage[screen,article,nocfg,sidebar]{pdfscreen} \markboth{Mark1}{Mark2} \begin{screen} \markboth{Screen1}{Screen2} \end{screen} \begin{document} Doc \end{document} everything seems to work, but if I indent the line \end{screen}, just this one, (indenting \begin{screen} is not a problem) \documentclass{article} \usepackage[screen,article,nocfg,sidebar]{pdfscreen} \markboth{Mark1}{Mark2} \begin{screen} \markboth{Screen1}{Screen2} \end{screen} \begin{document} Doc \end{document} the result is an error ..... )) (C:\loacltexmf\pdftex\pdfscreen\schemes.sty))) Runaway argument? ! File ended while scanning use of \next. \par ..... is it normal? It has been hard to find the error ! Ignasi --------------6FC780AB9EC8A78FF0C3D66D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ignasi.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Ignasi Furió Caldentey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ignasi.vcf" begin:vcard n:Furió Caldentey;Ignasi tel;fax:+34 971 173003 tel;work:+34 971 173196 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Universitat de les Illes Balears;Dpt. Matemàtiques i Informàtica adr:;;Crta Valldemossa, km 7.5;Palma;Balears;07071;Spain version:2.1 email;internet:ignasi@ipc4.uib.es fn:Ignasi Furió Caldentey end:vcard --------------6FC780AB9EC8A78FF0C3D66D-- 26-Oct-1999 15:41:30-GMT,2131;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29976 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18129 for pdftex-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:10:04 -0400 Received: from danube.river-valley.com (IDENT:cvr@[210.212.246.78]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18126 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:09:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA21335; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:37:28 +0530 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:37:23 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan C V To: Ignasi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Furi=F3?= Caldentey cc: pdftex Subject: Re: strange behaviour of \end{screen} in pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <38158D99.A1F2E2F4@ipc4.uib.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id LAA18127 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Ignasi [iso-8859-1] Furió Caldentey wrote: > everything seems to work, but if I indent the line \end{screen}, just > this one, (indenting \begin{screen} is not a problem) > > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage[screen,article,nocfg,sidebar]{pdfscreen} > \markboth{Mark1}{Mark2} > \begin{screen} > \markboth{Screen1}{Screen2} > \end{screen} > \begin{document} > Doc > \end{document} \begin{screen}...\end{screen} is nothing but the redefined \begin{comment}...\end{comment} with options for excluding or including the text enclosed within this environment as per the print or screen option. I substitued the \begin{screen}..\end{screen} with \begin{comment} and \end{comment}. If we insert a space before \end{comment} the same error (runaway) appears. So this may be a limitation of comment environment. Radhakrishnan 26-Oct-1999 18:54:31-GMT,1652;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05818 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18853 for pdftex-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:35:25 -0400 Received: from gregal.xtec.es (gregal.xtec.es [193.145.88.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18850 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:35:20 -0400 Received: from pie.xtec.es (i2250.infovia.xtec.es [193.145.92.250]) by gregal.xtec.es (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01019 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:16:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <381601F8.693283EF@pie.xtec.es> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:33:13 +0100 From: Carles Romero Reply-To: cromero@pie.xtec.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ca MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Current directory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi: I need to launch a java program from a link in a plain-tex document (formatted by pdftex) Unfortunately Acrobat reader seems ignoring where the document lies: key /D seems need complete path. I need my work be portable to other machines (for presentations) so I wish put it on work only with relative path. Is it possible? Many thanks! Carles Romero IES "Manuel Blancafort" 08530 La Garriga, Catalonia, Spain Tel.: +34 938715503, Fax: +34 938716060 http://www.xtec.es/~cromero/index0.htm 26-Oct-1999 19:17:21-GMT,1387;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06439 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18979 for pdftex-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:06:40 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (24.66.219.234.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.219.234]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18976 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:06:36 -0400 Received: from edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edlo1.ab.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA18350 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:13:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14357.64872.910265.286344@edlo1.ab.wave.home.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:13:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Sosteric To: pdftex Subject: formatting endnotes Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have two questions. One pdflatex and one latex I want to format endnotes like this [1] This is text and this is more text and this is hanging indented. How do I do this? Also, what is the way to create a link from and endnote number to endnote text in pdflatex sorry if these are trivial questions mike 27-Oct-1999 7:59:55-GMT,2895;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24226 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 01:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA20454 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 03:48:12 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA20448 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 03:45:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00790; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:44:11 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:44:11 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: Han The Thanh cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: TrueType font -- printing In-Reply-To: <199910181636.SAA12166@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id DAA20452 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Han The Thanh wrote: > Hi, > > to my surprise I find out that I cannot print PDF files using TrueType fonts > from Acrobat Reader to PostScript -- the PS file is invalid. Do you have any > experiences with that? > > Thanh > Yes, I am able to print files contining a misture of type1 and truetype fonts. I have even made, using fontinst, virtual fonts using both with good screen and printing appearance. The only trick, in my hands, is that neither pdf2ps (in other words, ghostscript) nor pdftops (that uses the xpdf routines) are useful with these files. The pdf file _must_ be converted into the postscript file using acroread. The trouble is that using acroread in the line command mode results in a PS file that contains one instruction that make it invalid to my PS printer (HPLJ 4m-plus), but removing with a filter that annoying instruction makes all working smoothly. The following shell scipt works fine in my hands so far: cat $filename.pdf | acroread -toPostScript -level2 | \ grep -v "^8 -50 translate$" > $filename.ps where $filename is what you imagine :). Again, I apologize for doing something without any knowledge of what I am doing... no idea of the PS language.. It works, and that's enough for me so far. Regards, Ricardo. ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 ============================================================== 27-Oct-1999 10:46:11-GMT,1801;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27380 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 04:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA21157 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:35:32 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de (mail.detewe.de [194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21154 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:35:30 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA70F3 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:33:57 +0200 Message-ID: <3816D636.D71435E8@detewe.de> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:38:46 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: Extracting PDF-graphic from PDF-file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id GAA21155 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Is there any way to extract an embedded PDF-graphic from a PDF-file (e.g. to convert it using 'convert' from ImageMagick into another file format)? Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Wiedmann | Cordless Technology A/S | Free your computer, Köpenicker Str. 180 | install Linux D-10997 Berlin | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 28-Oct-1999 14:10:50-GMT,2211;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06870 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA24337 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:48:04 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24334 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:48:03 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11gpuL-0004iA-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:48:01 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gpuL-00037k-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:48:01 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14360.20880.390095.568755@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:37:20 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: bookmarks, dvipdfm, pdftex, and hyperref In-Reply-To: <199910281334.JAA24311@tug.org> References: <199910281334.JAA24311@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Berthold Crysmann Sorry, this is slightly off topic, but nevertheless I'm quite sure someone can answer my question here. Trying out dvipdfm recently, I found that Bookmarks always point to the end of the page when generated with hyperref 6.67, no matter where the referenced section appears on the page. Running the same document through pdfTeX doesn't produce this unpleasant result. I doubt that it is a limitation of dvipdfm itself, as the bookmarks in the dvipdfm manual work as expected. Am I missing something? Is there an easy fix for this, presumably in hyperref? Thanks, Berthold -- Berthold Crysmann Fachrichtung 8.7, Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft, Computerlinguistik Universitaet des Saarlandes, Postfach 15 11 50, D 66041 Saarbruecken 28-Oct-1999 15:53:24-GMT,1865;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09594 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA24697 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:40:04 -0400 Received: from frank.Physics.DCU.IE (frank.Physics.DCU.IE [136.206.20.12]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24694 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:40:00 -0400 Received: from alice.Physics.DCU.IE (alice.Physics.DCU.IE [136.206.20.2]) by frank.Physics.DCU.IE (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01142 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:39:35 GMT Received: from physics.dcu.ie (polero.Physics.DCU.IE [136.206.20.75]) by alice.Physics.DCU.IE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22793 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:39:19 GMT Message-ID: <3818697A.CA4CA3F0@physics.dcu.ie> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:19:22 +0100 From: Lubos Polerecky Organization: Dublin City University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX Subject: "click-substitution" of Ctrl+F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm using pdflatex (pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c) to produce a PDF document from the LaTeX source. I'd like to search for some string in the Acrobat reader. I know I can do it using the acroread menu or by pressing Ctrl+F to invoke the Find window. Nevertheless, I wonder whether I could do it somewhat directly in the LaTeX code, i.e., if I put some say graphics somewhere on the page then if I click on it in the PDF document viewed by acroread it would do the same action. Thanks. Lubos. 29-Oct-1999 11:48:05-GMT,2010;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29353 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA28273 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:25:24 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28270 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:25:23 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11hA9Z-0004VV-00; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:25:05 +0100 Received: from max63.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.63] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11hA9Z-0001Aj-00; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:25:05 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14361.33611.972102.72275@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:21:47 +0100 (BST) To: alou@mazars.es cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: using \nameref in \index In-Reply-To: <199910281804.OAA25331@tug.org> References: <199910281804.OAA25331@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I use pdftex 0.12r with hyperref 6.33 (I know, I should upgrade). I'm Yes, you certainly should. There is not much point trying to sort out problems like this unless you have the latest version of the packages. I am sorry to say that I cannot actually solve the problem, but: > Also, is there an equivalent version of the \ref* and \pageref* commands > from hyperref for \nameref (that is, I want > \nameref to print the name of the section but not to form an hyperlink)? > Is it very hard to do? no, it is not there, but I think it would be a sensible addition Sebastian 29-Oct-1999 11:52:03-GMT,2544;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29369 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA28268 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:25:03 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28265 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:25:01 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11hA9U-0005Z0-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:25:00 +0100 Received: from max63.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.63] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11hA9T-0003d7-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:25:00 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14361.33401.717482.87763@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:18:17 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: using \nameref in \index In-Reply-To: <199910281804.OAA25331@tug.org> References: <199910281804.OAA25331@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: alou@mazars.es I use pdftex 0.12r with hyperref 6.33 (I know, I should upgrade). I'm trying to use the \nameref command in the index and I have a problem: if I write something like ------------ \section{Foo}\label{sec:bar} ... In the section \nameref{sec:bar}\index{\nameref{sec:bar}} we saw that... [1] ------------ everything works fine: I get the string `section Foo' in the resulting pdf file and the word `Foo' properly indented in the index. But if I define something in the obvious way like \newcommand{\myhypersection}[1]{\nameref{sec:#1}\index{\nameref{sec:#1}}}, to save some typing and simply write [1] like this: In the section \myhypersection{bar} we saw that... the index doesn't work: I get lines like \indexentry{\T@nameref{sec:foo}} in the .idx file instead of \indexentry{\nameref{sec:foo}}, as in the previous case. Also, is there an equivalent version of the \ref* and \pageref* commands from hyperref for \nameref (that is, I want \nameref to print the name of the section but not to form an hyperlink)? Is it very hard to do? Toni 29-Oct-1999 14:45:44-GMT,2593;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00768 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA28962 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:19:37 -0400 Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28959 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:19:34 -0400 Received: from goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de (goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.28.168]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id QAA22513 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:19:31 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: <199910291419.QAA08177@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from goedel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de id QAA08177; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:19:31 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Karsten Tinnefeld Reply-To: Karsten Tinnefeld X-uri: http://ls2-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~tinnefeld/ X-face: *sXD#NpiH+[WIRUfGB;twtnVo=k{4Ev$$s75_Lf~Sw%(A74 `N'EtJI[Z{P'X@60ru7SfQ%.3It!Jw'?UjF ~_B1l-`S:F>h~!,!|ow*.'@nzW.ADJ06j/Mj5NVp3 X-Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik 2, D-44221 Dortmund X-Address: GB IV/323 CS, Baroper Strasse 301, D-44227 Dortmund X-Phone: +49 231 755-4737 oder -2777 (Sekretariat) X-Telefax: +49 231 755-2047 X-public-transport: H-Bahn, Busse 440, 449: Eichlinghofen H-Bahn X-spelling: alte deutsche Rechtschreibung; Warnung: Wenn Sie nach dem August 1998 Rechtschreibunterricht erhalten haben, fragen Sie einen Lehrer nach eventuellen Schaeden durch Lektuere dieser Mail. To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: SunOS 4 binaries? Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:19:31 +0200 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Did anyone create 0.14c pdftex binaries for use under SunOS 4 (aka Solaris 1)? I want to use them (and especially the pool/fmt files) on a parallel Solaris/SunOS installation and have thus thrown away the old Solaris binaries in a tetex 1.0.6 installment. -- Karsten Tinnefeld tinnefeld@ls2.cs.uni-dortmund.de Fachbereich Informatik, Lehrstuhl 2 T +49 231 755-4737 Universität Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund, Deutschland F +49 231 755-2047 31-Oct-1999 21:34:04-GMT,1325;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20729 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA01993 for pdftex-list; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:02:04 -0500 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (root@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01990 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:02:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11775 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:01:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:01:52 -0500 (EST) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex.cfg in 14c Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying updating from 13d to 14c. Where does the latter look for pdftex.cfg? On my system it's /usr/local/share/texmf/pdftex/base/pdftex.cfg and it's not being found. I tried symlinking it to various other places to no avail. -- Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC 1-Nov-1999 0:18:19-GMT,3292;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21569 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:18:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA02455 for pdftex-list; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:57:22 -0500 Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02452 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:57:20 -0500 Received: from goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de (goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.28.168]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with ESMTP id AAA24159; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:57:18 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199910312357.AAA16795@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from goedel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de id AAA16795; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:57:17 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Karsten Tinnefeld Reply-To: Karsten Tinnefeld X-uri: http://ls2-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~tinnefeld/ X-face: *sXD#NpiH+[WIRUfGB;twtnVo=k{4Ev$$s75_Lf~Sw%(A74 `N'EtJI[Z{P'X@60ru7SfQ%.3It!Jw'?UjF ~_B1l-`S:F>h~!,!|ow*.'@nzW.ADJ06j/Mj5NVp3 X-Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik 2, D-44221 Dortmund X-Address: GB IV/323 CS, Baroper Strasse 301, D-44227 Dortmund X-Phone: +49 231 755-4737 oder -2777 (Sekretariat) X-Telefax: +49 231 755-2047 X-public-transport: H-Bahn, Busse 440, 449: Eichlinghofen H-Bahn X-spelling: alte deutsche Rechtschreibung; Warnung: Wenn Sie nach dem August 1998 Rechtschreibunterricht erhalten haben, fragen Sie einen Lehrer nach eventuellen Schaeden durch Lektuere dieser Mail. To: Sebastian Rahtz , Heiko Oberdiek , pdftex@tug.org Subject: epstopdf and pdf 1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:57:17 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'd like to suggest adding an option to epstopdf to supports the pdf 1.2 compatibility mode of ghostscript. I sent L. Peter Deutsch a bug report concerning the transformation of upper half iso-8859-1 letters from eps to pdf utilizing gs 5.94 with epstopdf. He suggested to first add -dCompatibilityLevel=1.2 and further on resolved the problem in his nearly ready to release 5.95 beta. The following patch adds a --compat command line option: 4a5,7 > # Change by Karsten Tinnefeld, 1999-11-01: add an option for pdf 1.2 > # compatiblity output: --compat > 64a68 > $::opt_compat=0; 78a83 > --(no)compat: PDF 1.2 compatibility (default: $bool[$::opt_compat]) 96a102 > "compat!", 135a142 > $GSOPTS .= "-dCompatibilityLevel=1.2 " if $::opt_compat; 171a179,183 > ### option compat > if ($::opt_gs) { > debug "PDF 1.2 compatibility:", ($::opt_compat) ? "on" : "off"; > } > -- Karsten Tinnefeld tinnefeld@ls2.cs.uni-dortmund.de Fachbereich Informatik, Lehrstuhl 2 T +49 231 755-4737 Universität Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund, Deutschland F +49 231 755-2047 1-Nov-1999 5:43:22-GMT,1421;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23408 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:43:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA03656 for pdftex-list; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:20:17 -0500 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA03653 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:20:12 -0500 From: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Received: from www-mail.usyd.edu.au (lorica [129.78.64.15]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16617; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:19:56 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:19:56 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199911010519.QAA16617@lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au> To: Allin Cottrell , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex.cfg in 14c X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan v2.0 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I'm trying updating from 13d to 14c. Where does > the latter look > for pdftex.cfg? On my system it's > > /usr/local/share/texmf/pdftex/base/pdftex.cfg > > and it's not being found. I tried symlinking it > to > various other places to no avail. > > -- > Allin Cottrell > Department of Economics > Wake Forest University, NC I think it's $TEXINPUTS.pdftex and I guess you have to update ls-R Bob Howlett