From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 00:09:40 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA06640 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:09:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA03115 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:59:05 -0500 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03112 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:59:03 -0500 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02621 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:59:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pc709.wkap.nl [194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01J9IHJKX3OY000MF9@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:58:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:45:43 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Viewers and Other Things In-reply-to: <37024CA1.A283774D@wxs.nl> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14083.12855.320344.211905@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199903291146.MAA23876@lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk> <199903292052.PAA29015@ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca> <36FFFE6B.D230CA2F@wxs.nl> <14082.16991.178358.343048@fell.open.ac.uk> <37024CA1.A283774D@wxs.nl> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Chris Rowley wrote: >> But a closely related one is directly relevant to this list: >> >> Does this niche community seriously want research into high >> quality, highly automated typography (I was going to say "blue >> sky research" but that would have made it rather too personal a >> question in this context:-)? Speaking for my own little nook of this niche: I'm a little to occupied actually doing that research to bother with the discussion much. And it is indeed far off-topic for this list. To go back to the original: yes I think there is a need for a non-Adobe PDF editor/viewer a la Exchange. Preferably a PD version because it would be relatively easy to fix bugs, but I'd settle for a commercial product as well. Xpdf could be a nice base to start with, but its development seems to be frozen. Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 00:30:04 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA07138 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA03218 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:24:24 -0500 Received: from aaoepp2.aao.GOV.AU (aaoepp2.aao.GOV.AU [192.231.167.64]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA03214 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:24:14 -0500 Received: from aaoepp.aao.gov.au (aaopcah.aao.GOV.AU [192.231.167.174]) by aaoepp2.aao.GOV.AU (8.9.1/8.9.1/AAO-1.1a) with ESMTP id RAA22882; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:23:35 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37031E92.7334E81E@aaoepp.aao.gov.au> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:21:54 +1000 From: Karl Glazebrook Organization: Anglo-Australian Observatory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Gorte , "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: Re: Viewers and Other Things References: <199903291146.MAA23876@lurgmhor.elsevier.co.uk> <199903292052.PAA29015@ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca> <36FFFE6B.D230CA2F@wxs.nl> <14082.16991.178358.343048@fell.open.ac.uk> <3702AC32.8E04280B@aaoepp.aao.gov.au> <37031844.DED35BB0@itc.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ben Gorte wrote: > > Karl Glazebrook wrote: > > > What I would like is a combination of the best of wysiwig and tex - be able > > to insert figures, change fonts, etc in a wysiwig way, insert equations > > using an editor, and have high quality output. I don't need programming > > constructs (at least on the surface). I don't see the wysiswig approach > > being incomaptibe with the structured document idea - one can imaging > > doing 'insert new section' from a menu rather than \section{...}. > > How about LyX? > > - wysiwig approach > - insert figures > - change fonts > - insert and edit equations > - high quality output through LaTeX > - insert new section from a menu > > http://www.lyx.org/ > > Ben I tried it - wasn't wysiwig enough (inserting figures etc.) - wasn't compatible with journal macro packages From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 01:13:47 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA07999 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:13:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA03450 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:55:54 -0500 Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA03447 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:55:51 -0500 Received: from silicon.tue.nl [131.155.2.10] by kweetal.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id JAA15013 (ESMTP). Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:55:50 +0200 (MDT) Received: from n8.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.7] by silicon.tue.nl (8.8.8) for id JAA08525 (SMTP). Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:55:49 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904010755.JAA08525@silicon.tue.nl> From: "Marco van de Voort" To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:54:17 +0100 Subject: PANIC! References: <199903311125330723.04F53DE3@mariano.convex.es> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Today I rebuild a pdftex project I worked on, and something murmured TeX! capacity exceeded , sorry [pool size =68xxx] I use Redhat 5.2 (0.12c web2c 7.2) +hyperref ( 6.30) What do I do? Do I have to install entire new distributions (Tetex?), or can I escape by tweaking the source a bit? (the project is big, but not extreem, some 400 pages). A part of the documentation of the FPC pascal compiler. Marco van de Voort (MarcoV@Stack.nl) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 02:07:10 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA09064 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:07:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA03731 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:44:47 -0500 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA03728 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:44:44 -0500 Received: from silicon.tue.nl [131.155.2.10] by mailhost.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id KAA18856 (ESMTP). Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:44:43 +0200 (MDT) Received: from n4.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.3] by silicon.tue.nl (8.8.8) for id KAA13851 (SMTP). Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:44:41 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199904010844.KAA13851@silicon.tue.nl> From: "Marco van de Voort" To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:43:06 +0100 Subject: Re: typeset-debate maillist? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Maybe it's time to divide this maillist up in a - pdftex maillist and a - typesetting system debate maillist? Marco van de Voort (MarcoV@Stack.nl) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 03:18:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA10395 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA04144 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:10:28 -0500 Received: from elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.39]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA04141 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:10:26 -0500 Received: from elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.217.221]) by elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA01205; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:09:20 +0100 Received: from srahtz (srahtz@srahtz.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.213.187]) by elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA00419; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:12:06 +0100 X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.2 (via feedmail 9-beta-3 Q); VM 6.61 under Emacs 20.3.2 From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14083.16875.922990.688407@srahtz> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:52:43 +0100 (BST) To: carmenes@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es Cc: oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de, juanmi@satec.es, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Accents and outlines In-Reply-To: References: <14082.2367.468231.915694@srahtz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= writes: > > Hyperref is getting rather sophisticated ... maybe I should have a look > to its intricacies when I have a while ... > just dont ask _me_ questions! Heiko's stuff is beyond me... > Didn't you say only 2-3 days ago that you expected the just released > version to remain stable for some time, and you issued two or three more > since then ? I lied. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 04:00:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA11190 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:00:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA04319 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:52:53 -0500 Received: from elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.39]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA04316 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:52:52 -0500 Received: from elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.217.221]) by elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA01708; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:51:38 +0100 Received: from srahtz (srahtz@srahtz.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.213.187]) by elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA00249; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:54:25 +0100 X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.2 (via feedmail 9-beta-3 Q); VM 6.61 under Emacs 20.3.2 From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14083.18550.984868.600747@srahtz> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:20:38 +0100 (BST) To: konghoon@hyowon.cc.pusan.ac.kr Cc: pdftex@tug.org, te@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: Re: About epstopdf for Windows In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990401115023.007ae260@hyowon.cc.pusan.ac.kr> References: <3.0.6.32.19990401115023.007ae260@hyowon.cc.pusan.ac.kr> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Kong Hoon Lee writes: > Thus I have made a simple C-program to convert an EPS to PDF > referring to your script. I know that many persons in the world > ask about converting an EPS to PDF on Windows and I would like to I have put a zip file of this at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf_c.zip many thanks! Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 06:29:08 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA14146 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA05093 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:13:30 -0500 Received: from AMath3. (amath3.amt.ac.cn [159.226.47.14]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA05090 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:13:26 -0500 From: ygy@AMath3.amt.ac.cn Received: by AMath3. amt.ac.cn (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA17998; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:04:52 +0800 Message-Id: <199904011304.VAA17998@AMath3. amt.ac.cn> Subject: Re: About Page Color To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:04:52 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I am now using pdflatex to write some files. > I have a problem is that how to set the background > color. when using dvips and distiller, I can insert > some postscript \special which can not work in > pdflatex. When I use the color.sty, the command > \pagecolor{yellow} produced an Undefined control sequence > warning like follows: > ! Undefined control sequence. > ...\color @yellow\endcsname \set@color > I have found that this problem may be caused by that the pdftex.def not defined the \pagecolor which defined by other .def files such like dvips.def, dvipdfm.def,etc. In these files, there a lines such like follows: \def\set@page@color{\special{% pdf: bgc \current@color}} %% In dvipdfm.def I wonder if it a omit in the pdftex.def or there is another reason? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 04:25:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA11647 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA04418 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:15:04 -0500 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA04415 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:15:03 -0500 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.20.120]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1DC7; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:14:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3703327F.70844A77@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:46:55 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marco van de Voort Subject: Re: PANIC! References: <199903311125330723.04F53DE3@mariano.convex.es> <199904010755.JAA08525@silicon.tue.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Marco van de Voort wrote: > > Today I rebuild a pdftex project I worked on, and something murmured > TeX! capacity exceeded , sorry [pool size =68xxx] take a look at the file texmf.cnf; there you'll all kind of memory settings you can adapt; some changes only take effect when you regenerate a fmt file (for mp, no regenerating a new format lead to funny side effects). > I use Redhat 5.2 (0.12c web2c 7.2) +hyperref ( 6.30) What do I do? Update to the latest tetex/ > (the project is big, but not extreem, some 400 pages). A part of the documentation of the The number of pages has not that much to do with the size of tex. The texbook can be typeset with a rather small tex. The number of cross refs and complex box manipulations can demand some more (hash size, memory) and a bit decent user interface needs larges stack etc values. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 1 07:43:03 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA15662 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05464 for pdftex-list; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:33:36 -0500 Received: from exchange.pace.co.uk (gate-isdn.pace.co.uk [195.92.110.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05461 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:33:33 -0500 Received: by exchange.localnet with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:22:49 +0100 Message-ID: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2012FA56B@exchange.localnet> From: Magnus Lewis-Smith To: "Pdftex mailing list (E-mail)" Subject: Certain characters don't display Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:22:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk If I pdflatex the following file: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{times} \begin{document} \pounds\ ``file--fluff---'' \end{document} and view the result in Acrobat Reader 3.02 (windows 95) then the resulting pdf file looks like: (pound symbol) ile uff If I don't include the \usepackage{times}, then the pound symbol doesn't display but everything else is OK. However, if I use dvips and write the pdf file using ghostview's "print > pdfwrite" option, then all the characters are present. I'm guessing that I need to alter something in a .map file, but I'm pretty clueless about fonts. Can anyone help? -- Magnus Lewis-Smith From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 2 03:26:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA13318 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 03:26:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA09469 for pdftex-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:16:37 -0500 Received: from maruja.convex.es (mariano.convex.es [194.106.10.95]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA09466 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:16:32 -0500 Received: from payes (payes.red.retevision.es [62.81.62.7]) by maruja.convex.es (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-59609U300L100S0V35) with ESMTP id es; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:15:07 +0200 Message-ID: <199904021219110092.007455A6@mariano.convex.es> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990331125739.0082aa00@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3.0.6.32.19990331125739.0082aa00@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.00.11 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:19:11 +0200 Reply-To: juanmi@satec.es From: juanmi@satec.es (Juan Miguel Bocanegra) To: "Heiko Oberdiek" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Accents and outlines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id FAA09467 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk \ifbookmark worked!! Thank you Heiko and all the people who answered my messages. JM >If you need stomach commands like \hbox, ... you can >specify an alternate string for the outline entry: > >hyperref <= 6.52: > \section{Pythagoras: > \ifbookmark > {a\texttwosuperior + b\texttwosuperior = c\texttwosuperior}% > {$a^+b^2=c^2$}% > } >hyperref >= 6.53 (probably): > \section{Pythagoras: > \texorpdfstring{$a^2+b^2=c^2$}% > {a\texttwosuperior\ + b\texttwosuperior\ = c\texttwosuperior}% > } > Juan Miguel Bocanegra Morón mailto:juanmi@satec.es Operador Red SATEC Sistemas Avanzados de Tecnología, S.A http://www.satec.es Marina, 16 08005 Barcelona (SPAIN) tlf.: ++34 93 225 69 20 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 4 05:54:20 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09175 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:54:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA13343 for pdftex-list; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 06:43:38 -0400 Received: from cuimail.unige.ch (cuimail.unige.ch [129.194.69.50]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13340 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 06:43:35 -0400 Received: from cui.unige.ch (cuisg21.unige.ch [129.194.137.27]) by cuimail.unige.ch (PMDF V5.2-31 #32426) with ESMTP id <0F9N00FE8V4LID@cuimail.unige.ch> for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:43:33 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 03:37:01 -0700 From: HADAP Sunil Subject: Big images in pdf does not print! To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <370740CD.CF0EA924@cui.unige.ch> Organization: MIRALab, University of Geneva, Switzerland MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi! pdfTeX is great except for the following problem I came across. Because of this I had to switch to Word at last moment. I was putting six images in a single page all are tiff. It's important to have these big images as I need to have good quality printout and also color. Each image is 1Mb, so makes it 6Mb for the page just for images. There is very little text on the page, mainly figures title, header and footer. I use compression level 9 though I don't know whether it matter, to produce a pdf file of around 10Mb for the full paper which has this page with images. I can print the file if I don't include the page in the printing. So I tried to put just these images to produce a pdf file of the size around 5Mb. Even this single page can't be printed. When I fired the print, printer blinks for a while and does nothing. I tried this both on Lexmart Optra with 16Mb ram and Apple Color printer with 32Mb ram. Same problem. But if I use word for this (I have imported the same 6 images in single page) it prints it fine, though slow. Both the printers are network postscript hence windows may be using postscript for printing. Is this a problem because of huge pdf file or because acroread is not printing it optimaly. Can acroread send binary encoding for the postscropt and can it use some compression for the images! I am in Computer Graphics and will come across such situations quit often! Thanks a lot From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 6 02:36:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA06138 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA18199 for pdftex-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:19:11 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA18196 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:19:07 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07485 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:19:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21240 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:19:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904060819.KAA21240@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: TTF again To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:19:04 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've done some experiments with TTF and AcroReader 4.0. This time things seem to be much better :-), I got them work under on and Windows, haven't tested on Mac. I will release pdftex-0.13d soon, however if anyone wants to do some testing with it, I am happy to send a pretest binary. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 6 03:25:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA07041 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:25:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA18356 for pdftex-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:09:26 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA18353 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:09:24 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.20.86]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA26B7; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:08:42 +0200 Message-ID: <3709BB8D.D99D2BC1@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 09:45:17 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HADAP Sunil CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Big images in pdf does not print! References: <370740CD.CF0EA924@cui.unige.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk HADAP Sunil wrote: > I was putting six images in a single page all are tiff. It's important > to have these big images as I need to have good quality printout and > also color. Each image is 1Mb, so makes it 6Mb for the page just for For tha reason we convert our tif's to png. Normally works ok. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 6 09:59:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA15240 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA20070 for pdftex-list; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:35:07 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20067 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:35:05 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03193; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:35:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA13702; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:37:30 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:37:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904061537.RAA13702@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: HADAP Sunil Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Big images in pdf does not print! In-Reply-To: <370740CD.CF0EA924@cui.unige.ch> References: <370740CD.CF0EA924@cui.unige.ch> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk looks like a PS memory pb. If you're in graphics industry, you should download ehandler.ps with any PS job anyway. Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 7 01:22:05 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA07847 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA25044 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA25041 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:56:10 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17031 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA18689 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:55:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904070655.IAA18689@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: image bug To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:55:56 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, the bug with image is not fixed yet, however the author of xpdf has promised to fix it in next release of xpdf. So I will release pdftex-0.13d, which still has this bug. Thanh ----- Forwarded message from Derek B. Noonburg ----- >From derekn@foolabs.com Wed Apr 7 08:12:05 1999 Message-Id: <199904070611.XAA31446@mindy.accesscom.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek B. Noonburg" Subject: Re: pdftops To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz In-Reply-To: <199903291614.SAA07159@anxur.fi.muni.cz> > can you please have a look at the appended file? It was created by ps2pdf from > ghostscript. Viewing this file by gv or xpdf is ok, however when I tried to > convert this file to PS by pdftops, the result looks wrong. I got this file from > a pdftex user, complaining about that pdftex doesn't include this picture > properly, and I cannot find out what is wrong (the result pdf output just looks > similiar as the PS produced by pdftops). There's a known bug in converting images that use predictors. I should have it fixed for the next release. In the meantime, you can use 'pdftops -level1' as a workaround. This will only produce monochrome images, but at least they'll be correct. - Derek ----- End of forwarded message from Derek B. Noonburg ----- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 7 07:27:58 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA14845 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA25823 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:50:37 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA25817 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:50:27 -0400 Received: from remote142-106.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.106] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Uqqb-0000Bw-00; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:50:21 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990407134851.007b4ec0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:48:51 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Problem with article threads across pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am experimenting with article threads and detected a misbehaviour: Example: Thread "Line" consists of two beads on two pages: Page 1: First bead of thread "Line" Page 2: Second bead of thread "Line" But if I now start another thread "Code" an page 2, the second bead of thread "Line" becomes the first bead of thread "Code" I have tested this under Win32 with pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-13b-2.1 (Web2c 7.3beta5) and pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-13c-2.1 (Web2c 7.3beta6) %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% \newcount\cLine \def\Line{% \advance\cLine by 1 Line \the\cLine\hfill } \newcount\cCode \def\Code{% \advance\cCode by 1 Code \the\cCode\hfill } \parindent0pt \hsize5cm \pdfthread name {Line} \Line\break \Line\break \Line\par \pdfendthread \vfill \eject % Page 2 \pdfthread name {Line} \Line\break \Line\break \Line\par \pdfendthread \vfill \pdfthread name {Code} \Code\break \Code\break \Code\par \pdfendthread \bye %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% Best regards Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 7 13:01:47 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA24865 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA27617 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:46:55 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA27614 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:46:53 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:46:50 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA06032; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <199903300800.KAA20132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <9903290857.AA19687@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es> <199903300800.KAA20132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am sure there is very good reason for this but I am not sure that I follow the logic. Why does the terminal output not show, for some of the files read-in, (eg .map and .cfg files) the full path (as it does for the .tex files etc) so that I can locate which of my 10 bum versions of such a file is actually being used? I see that the log file contains no information at all on these (but maybe I can turn it on there somehow?). Thanks chris From "Nelson H. F. Beebe " Wed Apr 7 14:27:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA27261; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id OAA01337; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: Chris Rowley Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Chris Rowley writes on Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST): >> Why does the terminal output not show, for some of the files read-in, >> (eg .map and .cfg files) the full path (as it does for the .tex files >> etc) so that I can locate which of my 10 bum versions of such a file >> is actually being used? This is an excellent point, and addresses a widespread problem in the computing industry. Some DVI drivers, like dvips, xdvi, and all my own DVI drivers, have file open/close tracing through command-line options, and the kpathsea-based tools in the Web2C 7.x distribution (in the TeXlive-n CDs) can provide such tracing through the setting of a debug variable in the environment. For other tools, one is usually out of luck, except on these UNIX systems: SunOS 4.x trace Sun Solaris 2.x truss GNU/Linux strace E.g., on the latter, you could write strace -o foo.strace pdftex myfile.tex grep open foo.strace to get a list of all files opened by pdftex. The availability of trace/truss/strace facilities is something that I find enormously valuable, and use several times weekly; it also figures into purchasing decisions that I make for our institution, and into which platforms I develop code on first. So, Chris, if you are working with one of the TeXlive-n releases, you should be able to do something like this: Any UNIX: env KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 pdftex myfile.tex Windows/DOS in a DOS window: set KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 pdftex myfile.tex Macintosh: ??who knows?? Further details can be found in the soon-to-be-available texlive4/tldoc/english/livese6.html file (replace english with deutsch or slovak, according to taste), or in last year's texlive3/doc/livese6.html file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From "Nelson H. F. Beebe " Wed Apr 7 14:27:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA27261; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id OAA01337; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: Chris Rowley Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Chris Rowley writes on Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST): >> Why does the terminal output not show, for some of the files read-in, >> (eg .map and .cfg files) the full path (as it does for the .tex files >> etc) so that I can locate which of my 10 bum versions of such a file >> is actually being used? This is an excellent point, and addresses a widespread problem in the computing industry. Some DVI drivers, like dvips, xdvi, and all my own DVI drivers, have file open/close tracing through command-line options, and the kpathsea-based tools in the Web2C 7.x distribution (in the TeXlive-n CDs) can provide such tracing through the setting of a debug variable in the environment. For other tools, one is usually out of luck, except on these UNIX systems: SunOS 4.x trace Sun Solaris 2.x truss GNU/Linux strace E.g., on the latter, you could write strace -o foo.strace pdftex myfile.tex grep open foo.strace to get a list of all files opened by pdftex. The availability of trace/truss/strace facilities is something that I find enormously valuable, and use several times weekly; it also figures into purchasing decisions that I make for our institution, and into which platforms I develop code on first. So, Chris, if you are working with one of the TeXlive-n releases, you should be able to do something like this: Any UNIX: env KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 pdftex myfile.tex Windows/DOS in a DOS window: set KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 pdftex myfile.tex Macintosh: ??who knows?? Further details can be found in the soon-to-be-available texlive4/tldoc/english/livese6.html file (replace english with deutsch or slovak, according to taste), or in last year's texlive3/doc/livese6.html file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 7 14:45:44 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA27834 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA28296 for pdftex-list; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:27:46 -0400 Received: from csc-sun.math.utah.edu (root@csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28293 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:27:44 -0400 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA27261; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id OAA01337; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: Chris Rowley Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley writes on Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:45:55 +0100 (BST): >> Why does the terminal output not show, for some of the files read-in, >> (eg .map and .cfg files) the full path (as it does for the .tex files >> etc) so that I can locate which of my 10 bum versions of such a file >> is actually being used? This is an excellent point, and addresses a widespread problem in the computing industry. Some DVI drivers, like dvips, xdvi, and all my own DVI drivers, have file open/close tracing through command-line options, and the kpathsea-based tools in the Web2C 7.x distribution (in the TeXlive-n CDs) can provide such tracing through the setting of a debug variable in the environment. For other tools, one is usually out of luck, except on these UNIX systems: SunOS 4.x trace Sun Solaris 2.x truss GNU/Linux strace E.g., on the latter, you could write strace -o foo.strace pdftex myfile.tex grep open foo.strace to get a list of all files opened by pdftex. The availability of trace/truss/strace facilities is something that I find enormously valuable, and use several times weekly; it also figures into purchasing decisions that I make for our institution, and into which platforms I develop code on first. So, Chris, if you are working with one of the TeXlive-n releases, you should be able to do something like this: Any UNIX: env KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 pdftex myfile.tex Windows/DOS in a DOS window: set KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 pdftex myfile.tex Macintosh: ??who knows?? Further details can be found in the soon-to-be-available texlive4/tldoc/english/livese6.html file (replace english with deutsch or slovak, according to taste), or in last year's texlive3/doc/livese6.html file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From smurf@smurfsoft.dauenhauer.de Wed Apr 7 23:57:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from monster.igd.fhg.de (monster.igd.fhg.de [153.97.128.43]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA09898 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.smurfsoft.de (isdnprj110) by monster.igd.fhg.de (5.x/SMI-4.1) id AA02163; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:57:23 +0200 Received: from smurfsoft.dauenhauer.de (smurfix.smurfsoft.de [192.168.193.1]) by mail.smurfsoft.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA01188; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:07:36 +0200 Received: from zgdv.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smurfsoft.dauenhauer.de (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA00120; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:09:46 +0200 Sender: smurf@smurfsoft.dauenhauer.de Message-Id: <370BD7A8.B7CF1A9A@zgdv.de> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 00:09:44 +0200 From: Christian Kumpf Organization: ZGDV X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.37 i586) X-Accept-Language: de, en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Cc: Chris Rowley , pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Nelson H. F. Beebe" wrote: > GNU/Linux strace > > E.g., on the latter, you could write > > strace -o foo.strace pdftex myfile.tex > grep open foo.strace or just strace -e open pdftex myfile.tex but I recommend setting > So, Chris, if you are working with one of the TeXlive-n releases, you > should be able to do something like this: > > Any UNIX: > > env KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 pdftex myfile.tex > > Windows/DOS in a DOS window: > set KPATHSEA_DEBUG=-1 > pdftex myfile.tex Cheers, Christian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 01:43:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA12225 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA30981 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:29:22 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA30978 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:29:20 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.20.136]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA235; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:28:47 +0200 Message-ID: <370C5637.D98E0D9F@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:09:43 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query References: <9903290857.AA19687@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es> <199903300800.KAA20132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > Why does the terminal output not show, for some of the files read-in, > (eg .map and .cfg files) the full path (as it does for the .tex files > etc) so that I can locate which of my 10 bum versions of such a file > is actually being used? > > I see that the log file contains no information at all on these (but > maybe I can turn it on there somehow?). Then you probbaly also noticed that some (error) messages go to the terminal but not to the log. Hard to trace when they quickly scroll out of view. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 01:47:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA12286 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA31053 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:38:38 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31049 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:38:33 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09196; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:38:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14104; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:38:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904080738.JAA14104@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> from Chris Rowley at "Apr 7, 99 07:45:55 pm" To: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk (Chris Rowley) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:38:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I am sure there is very good reason for this but I am not sure that I > follow the logic. > > Why does the terminal output not show, for some of the files read-in, > (eg .map and .cfg files) the full path (as it does for the .tex files > etc) so that I can locate which of my 10 bum versions of such a file > is actually being used? > > I see that the log file contains no information at all on these (but > maybe I can turn it on there somehow?). this should be easy. Added into TODO list. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 02:14:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA12785 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA31272 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:01:26 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA31266 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:01:16 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12404; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:01:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16117; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:01:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904080801.KAA16117@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <370C50B5.9A4F3815@inf.ethz.ch> from Erwin Achermann at "Apr 8, 99 08:46:13 am" To: erwin.achermann@switzerland.org Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:01:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Hi Thanh, > > I send to pdftex@tug.org but it seems to have never arrived there. I > guess i should be subscribed there. maybe i'll do that. But for now i > send the mail to you in the hope that you can answer it or forward it to > pdftex@tug.org. > > Thanks for your help. > Erwin > > Here is the question i sent to pdftex@tug.org: ------------------------ > > Hi, > > now, with pdftex 0.13c the fonts work my *.pfa Postscript fonts work > like a charm. Many Thanks. > > But i still get a warning, that i don't understand. Where does it come > from? Who issues it? > > > Warning: pdftex (file syntax.map): > unknown name > psouo8r Syntax-UltraBlack " 0.167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding > ReEncodeFont /Paint > Type 2 store " <8r.enc > > This is a ps trick to draw the Font in Outline mode. Because all the > other fonts work properly, i don't think that i forgot some config for > (only) these outlined fonts. > My guess is, that pdflatex cannot cope with "/Paint Type 2 store" and > gives that strange warning. Am i correct on this guess? Or is there a > misconfiguration somewhere in my installation? Can you do an outlined > font in your installation with that same trick of "/Paint Type 2 store"? > > Thanks for your ideas and hints > > Erwin > > >> please include me cc into your reply, > >> since i'm not subscribed on pdftex@tug.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > Erwin Achermann Tel: ++41 1 632 74 40 > Institut fuer Wissenschaftliches Rechnen Fax: ++41 1 632 13 74 > ETH Zentrum, IFW C29.2 mailto:acherman@inf.ethz.ch ICQ:4625051 > CH-8092 Zuerich http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/acherman/ > >The train stops at the train station, the bus stops at the bus station, > >So why am I sitting at a work station? ---Ralph Hempel Hi Erwin, pdftex can handle only FontSlant, FontExtent and ReEncodeFont. However the outline rendering mode can be changed by using \pdfliteral; say something like: normal text \pdfliteral direct { 1 Tr} outline text The space before "1" is needed; it's a current bug of pdftex. The optional keywork "direct" tells pdftex not to reset the text object before inserting the pdf code. Pavel Janik has encountered into this problem so I added the keyword "direct" to support this feature. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 03:38:15 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA14320 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA32251 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 05:15:00 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA32248 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 05:14:58 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24328 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:14:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id LAA27660; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:17:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:17:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904080917.LAA27660@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: PDFTeX Mailing List Subject: Enhancing pdftex's output X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm looking for advice on how to enhance the PDF generated by pdftex. Things that could be done: - download fonts once and subsetted, even when they are duplicated in the included PDF images, - compress fonts with newest algorithms - byte-optimize, sometimes subsampling bitmaps etc. As far as i know, exchange allows only the byte-optimization. But distiller should provide all other features. Unfortunately, distiller doesn't run over PDF files (does distiller 4 do [if it's level 3, it should]?), so i'd need some export PDF -> PS that keeps track of all the hyperthings and PDF specific material. Does this exist? Is there a better approach? Thanks, Thierry Bouche. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 06:44:30 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA17683 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA00521 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:30:56 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00518 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:30:50 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA05367 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:30:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <370CA18C.5112@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:31:08 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex driver for Xy-pic? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am starting to use Xy-pic which seems to be excellent for smaller graphics that contain tex formulas as well as lines a.s.o. Anyway, the Postscript output looks beautiful when xy is used with its dvips driver. Of course, this driver cannot be used with pdftex since it writes dvips specials. Xy-pic does works with pdflatex when loaded without any driver. However, bent arrows are drawn using zillions of dots or line segments. What I am looking for is a way to achieve the same quality in pdflatex as with dvips (involving spline based rendering commands). Well, I am aware of the crooked way which would be: 1. using one LaTeX file for each graphic and the dvips driver 2. Generating a dvi file for each graphic 3. Using dvips to create ps 4. converting the ps file to pdf 5. including this pdf files into my pdflatex document Is there any better way (ideally a pdftex driver for Xy-pic)? Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 08:49:02 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA20604 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA01347 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:35:03 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01344 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:35:01 -0400 Received: from remote142-98.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.98] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10VFtM-0001fU-00; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:34:53 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990408162522.007b8c70@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:25:22 +0200 To: Han The Thanh From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: \pdfobj at the end? Cc: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I collect informations while processing the text and then I want to write an pdf object (\pdfobj) at the end: * With LaTeX's output routine I get nothing: \documentclass{article} \AtEndDocument{\pdfobj{EXAMPLE}} \begin{document} Hello World \clearpage \end{document} With the last \clearpage the pdfobj isn't written at all. * With plain's output routine I get an additional page: Hello World \vfill\eject \pdfobj{EXAMPLE}% \end ==> two pages instead of one So I'm looking for something like \immediate\pdfobj{...} with the following properties: * The pdf obj is written immediately. * The pdf obj doesn't affect page breaking. Best regards Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 08:57:25 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA20796 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA01351 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:35:16 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01348 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:35:06 -0400 Received: from remote142-98.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.98] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10VFtN-0001fU-00; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:34:54 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990408163414.007b9ec0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:34:14 +0200 To: Han The Thanh From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: article threads (\pdfthread) Cc: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, 1. Bug: If a page contains beads of several threads, then the beads aren't linked to correct chains: pdfTeX links them to the last thread of the page, without taking to account, what threads the beads belong to. (example in earlier post to pdftex@tug.org) 2. The info dictinary of threads can obtain several entries: /Title, /Subject, /Author, /Keywords But currently \pdfthread supports only /Title: \pdfthread name{title} Is there a way to provide the other informations? Best regards Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 09:01:37 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA20970 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA01341 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:34:58 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01337 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:34:48 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.20.211]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4759; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:34:15 +0200 Message-ID: <370CA1F5.B502FEE2@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:32:53 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: PDFTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: Enhancing pdftex's output References: <199904080917.LAA27660@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > Hi all, I'm looking for advice on how to enhance the PDF generated by > pdftex. > > Things that could be done: > - download fonts once and subsetted, even when they are duplicated in > the included PDF images, I suppose this can be solved by pdftex itself (given that the xpdf lib is flexible enough to provide the info). > - compress fonts with newest algorithms > - byte-optimize, sometimes subsampling bitmaps etc. Subsampling should be possible, given thepotential of the png.tif libs. Byte optimization is a multi pass job. > As far as i know, exchange allows only the byte-optimization. But > distiller should provide all other features. Unfortunately, distiller > doesn't run over PDF files (does distiller 4 do [if it's level 3, it I did a small test on 4 and got: 'Warning: Cannot distill .PDF files' > should]?), so i'd need some export PDF -> PS that keeps track of all > ... Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 07:58:44 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA19443 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:58:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA00928 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:28:20 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00925 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:28:16 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28006; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:28:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29720; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:28:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904081328.PAA29720@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Outline Text In-Reply-To: <370CAE1A.C14DEB76@inf.ethz.ch> from Erwin Achermann at "Apr 8, 99 03:24:42 pm" To: erwin.achermann@switzerland.org Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:28:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Thanh wrote: > > > pdftex can handle only FontSlant, FontExtent and ReEncodeFont. However the > > outline rendering mode can be changed by using \pdfliteral; say something like: > > > > normal text \pdfliteral direct { 1 Tr} outline text > > > > The space before "1" is needed; it's a current bug of pdftex. The optional > > keywork "direct" tells pdftex not to reset the text object before inserting the > > pdf code. Pavel Janik has encountered into this problem so I added the keyword > > "direct" to support this feature. > > Hi Thanh, > > The funny (not so!) thing is that i read your answer on the pdftex > archive. But not yet at in my mailbox... hmm there's something rotten > here! > > Anyhow i'm not sure, if i understand your answer correctly. Do you mean > that i can change my syntax.map entry from > > psox8r Syntax-Black " TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont /PaintType 2 store " > <8r.enc > to > > psox8r Syntax-Black " TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont \pdfliteral direct { > 1 Tr} outline " <8r.enc > Is that what you are telling me to do? > Or should i make the font switching macro in tex to issue "\pdfliteral > direct { 1 Tr} outline" before each font switch? you need to insert \pdfliteral direct { 1 Tr} before the text. You may need to set the linewidth to other values, too, in order do make the outline thiner. Please have a look at the PDF manual for more info. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 8 13:39:51 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA28328 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA03021 for pdftex-list; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:28:46 -0400 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03018 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:28:42 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25246 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:28:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m10VKMu-000clrC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:21:40 +0200 (CEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 08 Apr 1999 21:21:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe"'s message of "Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:27:34 -0600 (MDT)" Message-ID: <87k8vmhq9p.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Nelson H F Beebe writes: > Chris Rowley writes: >>> Why does the terminal output not show, for some of the files read-in, >>> (eg .map and .cfg files) the full path (as it does for the .tex files >>> etc) so that I can locate which of my 10 bum versions of such a file >>> is actually being used? > This is an excellent point, and addresses a widespread problem in the > computing industry. As a general rule I agree that printing the full path is the right thing to do. But I'm not certain it is implemented everywhere in all programs in the Web2C distribution; actually getting the necessary info in printable form may involve getting a string to cross the C-Pascal interface, which complicates matters. As far as I can tell, pdfTeX 0.13c should print the paths for config map files in any case. > Some DVI drivers, like dvips, xdvi, and all my own DVI drivers, have > file open/close tracing through command-line options, and the > kpathsea-based tools in the Web2C 7.x distribution (in the TeXlive-n > CDs) can provide such tracing through the setting of a debug variable > in the environment. > For other tools, one is usually out of luck, except on these UNIX > systems: > SunOS 4.x trace > Sun Solaris 2.x truss > GNU/Linux strace IRIX par On IRIX systems, you'd use something like par -s -SS -o foo.par pdftex myfile.tex grep open foo.par -- Olaf Weber Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are quick to anger and have no need for subtlety. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 08:36:31 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23555 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA07299 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:12:38 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA07296 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:12:37 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:12:34 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA07260; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:11:35 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:11:34 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <370C5637.D98E0D9F@wxs.nl> References: <9903290857.AA19687@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es> <199903300800.KAA20132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> <370C5637.D98E0D9F@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14094.2503.55264.573213@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans wrote -- > > Then you probbaly also noticed that some (error) messages go to the > terminal but not to the log. Hard to trace when they quickly scroll out > of view. Do you mean "(pdf)TeX errors/mesages" or "lower-level" ones? I did not know this: I would say that should definitely be changed. chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 08:39:09 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23642 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA07220 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:06:53 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA07216 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:06:50 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:06:45 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA07241; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:05:46 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:05:45 +0100 (BST) To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <199904080738.JAA14104@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> <199904080738.JAA14104@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14094.2104.361400.325776@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanh > > this should be easy. Added into TODO list. Good, thanks. But now I see that others have jumped in with further ideas. So I shall too: another thing that would be useful (and is also provided by the debug options with kpathsea) is informaton about exzctly what font files TeX loads. chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 09:35:28 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25341 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08257 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:26:45 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08254 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:26:43 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:26:22 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA07457; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:25:26 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:25:25 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <370E16BC.380C49FD@wxs.nl> References: <9903290857.AA19687@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es> <199903300800.KAA20132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> <370C5637.D98E0D9F@wxs.nl> <14094.2503.55264.573213@fell.open.ac.uk> <370E16BC.380C49FD@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14094.7037.225277.685735@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans wrote -- > > pdftex errors concerning fonts, graphics etc. I think it concerns > messages from third party or related modules. Definitely sounds buggy to me (and what happens should definietly be documented properly:-). chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 09:38:17 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25444 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08180 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:22:19 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08177 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:22:17 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.20.83]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA33F9; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:21:40 +0200 Message-ID: <370E16BC.380C49FD@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 17:03:24 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query References: <9903290857.AA19687@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es> <199903300800.KAA20132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> <370C5637.D98E0D9F@wxs.nl> <14094.2503.55264.573213@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > > Then you probbaly also noticed that some (error) messages go to the > > terminal but not to the log. Hard to trace when they quickly scroll out > > of view. > > Do you mean "(pdf)TeX errors/mesages" or "lower-level" ones? > > I did not know this: I would say that should definitely be changed. pdftex errors concerning fonts, graphics etc. I think it concerns messages from third party or related modules. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 10:01:32 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA26095 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08489 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:38:57 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08484 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:38:51 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:38:39 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA07526; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:37:42 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:37:42 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <370E1CF6.AF9C4FB0@wxs.nl> References: <9903290857.AA19687@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es> <199903300800.KAA20132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <14091.42119.278751.297589@fell.open.ac.uk> <370C5637.D98E0D9F@wxs.nl> <14094.2503.55264.573213@fell.open.ac.uk> <370E16BC.380C49FD@wxs.nl> <14094.7037.225277.685735@fell.open.ac.uk> <370E1CF6.AF9C4FB0@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14094.7811.478296.414155@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > (The fact that an expert like you until didn't notice it, makes it a > small misfeature anyway) But I never get any errors from pdftex, except in things Hans sends me:-)! chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 10:47:57 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA27436 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA09080 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:22:05 -0400 Received: from custos.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA09077 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:22:00 -0400 Received: by custos.foa.se; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA13298; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:21:55 +0200 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se by mercur.foa.se (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Dec96-1251PM/sal/mek) id AA03740 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:21:55 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA15037; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:21:52 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21044 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:22:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199904091622.SAA21044@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Thomas Esser Cc: tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: Re: pretest 990406 In-Reply-To: te's message of Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:43:17 +0200. <199904061243.OAA19448@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-Face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, british, swedish, nohyphen ation, loaded. (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1999/01/07 v1.4a Standard LaTeX document class (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size12.clo)) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def)) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty beta test version (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin1.def)) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/misc/a4wide.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/ntgclass/a4.sty)) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/times.sty) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/color.cfg) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def)) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/misc/float.sty) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg))) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/english.ldf (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/babel.def))) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/hyperref.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/nameref.sty) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/pd1enc.def) Implicit mode ON; LaTeX internals redefined (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/misc/url.sty)) *hyperref using default driver pdftex* (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/hpdftex.def (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/pifont.sty (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/upzd.fd) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/upsy.fd))) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/caption/caption.sty Package: caption v1.4b <1995/04/05> (Harald Sommerfeldt) `float' package detected ) (TORA.aux) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/t1ptm.fd) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF ) ! Undefined control sequence. fontenc.sty,,\@nil ,\@nil l.32 \begin{document} ? The latex document starts with: \documentclass[12pt,a4paper]{article} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \usepackage{a4wide} \usepackage{times} %\usepackage[mathbf,mathcal]{euler} \usepackage{color} \usepackage{float} \usepackage{graphicx} \usepackage[british]{babel} % \usepackage[ pdftitle={The Temporally-Ordered Routing Algorithm}, pdfauthor={Mattias Sköld, Christian Jönsson}, pdfsubject={TORA}, pdfkeywords={TORA, routing, network}, bookmarks=true]{hyperref} % \usepackage[hang]{caption} \renewcommand{\captionsize}{\sffamily} \renewcommand{\captionlabelfont}{\rmfamily\upshape\bfseries} %\author{Mattias Sköld and Christian Jönsson}%\\ % \href{mailto:mattias@lin.foa.se}{\texttt{}}, % \href{mailto:chj@lin.foa.se} {\texttt{}}\\ % Sweden's Defence Research Establishment} %\date{\today} %\title{The Temporally-Ordered Routing Algorithm} \begin{document} TIA, for any comments, /ChJ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 10:58:36 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA27693 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA09732 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:50:26 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09727 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:50:23 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24236 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:50:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03197 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:50:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904091650.SAA03197@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: TTFs on Mac To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:50:19 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, if you have a Mac, can you please test whether the file http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/tmp/test.zip (containing test.pdf) works on Macintosh with *Acrobat Reader 4.0*. I have a Mac, but cannot get it work :-(, so I need help from some Mac user to verify the file. The first column in the pdf file is a test of T1 font in 8r encoding, the rest are TrueType fonts tested with 8r encoding, too. They should look similiarly to the first one (tested on Linux/Win95). With AcroReader 3.01 some glyphs are displayed as boxes (.notdef). Thanks in advance, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 10:59:14 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA27719 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA09508 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:42:00 -0400 Received: from batman.npl.co.uk (batman.npl.co.uk [139.143.5.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09505; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:41:53 -0400 Received: from herschel.npl.co.uk ([139.143.1.16]) by batman.npl.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA26559; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:41:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk (cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk [139.143.18.7]) by herschel.npl.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09106; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:41:43 +0100 (BST) Received: (from rmb1@localhost) by cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04232; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:41:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:41:40 +0100 (BST) From: Robin Barker Message-Id: <199904091641.RAA04232@cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk> To: tex-k@tug.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: problems with Makefiles Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have been building web2c-7.3beta9 to try the latest beta of pdftex-1.13. The Makefile for the 'make install' step calls $(scriptdir)/mktexlsr, then $(scriptdir)/texconfig, then $(srcdir)/selfautofix. What I find is that: 1) a new mktexlsr is installed first and this creates ls-R. 2) texconfig is not newly installed so a version from teTeX is run, this calls append_db which can not update the newly created ls-R (because it expects ls-R to be a database) 3) selfautofix does not run because it does not exist. I suspect I need a new version of texconfig which uses texmf/web2c/mktexupd rather than append_db. I also notice that the corresponding Makefile for xdvik-20.22 has the same call to $(srcdir)/selfautofix, but this distribution does have selfautofix. I would also like to distinguish $(scriptdir) and $(bindir) can I can not find a ./configure option which will allow me to do so. My questions are: 1) Is there a new version of texconfig which uses mktexupd? Is so where? 2) Should there by a copy of selfautofix in web2c-7.3beta9 or pdftex-1.13? 3) Is there an easy way to configure web2c so that $(scriptdir) =/= $(bindir) ? Robin -- Robin Barker, \ Email: Robin.Barker@npl.co.uk Information Systems Engineering, \ Tel: +44 (0) 181 943 7090 B10, National Physical Laboratory, \ Fax: +44 (0) 181 977 7091 Teddington, Middlesex, UK. TW11 0LW \ WWW: http://www.npl.co.uk From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 9 15:31:31 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA05574 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA12611 for pdftex-list; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:22:29 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12608 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:22:28 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05224; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:22:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA14117; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:22:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904092122.XAA14117@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <14094.2104.361400.325776@fell.open.ac.uk> from Chris Rowley at "Apr 9, 99 03:05:45 pm" To: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk (Chris Rowley) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:22:25 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > this should be easy. Added into TODO list. > > Good, thanks. > > But now I see that others have jumped in with further ideas. > > So I shall too: another thing that would be useful (and is also > provided by the debug options with kpathsea) is informaton about > exzctly what font files TeX loads. it would certainly be useful, and shoundn't be hard to do. However it doesn't seem to be pdftex-specific; perhaps it should be in web2c? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 10 02:22:10 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA18803 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA14047 for pdftex-list; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:18:05 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA14042 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:18:02 -0400 Received: from remote142-114.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.114] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Vsxj-0001BV-01; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:18:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990410101747.007bab00@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:17:47 +0200 To: Han The Thanh From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: How to get rid of threads in foot-/headlines? Cc: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, (4.) If I start on a page with a thread and the threads leads across a page break to another page, the foot page number and the headline becomes part of the thread. But I don' want this. Both elements are set by the output routine. Is there a possibility to ask, if there is a thread open, or to exclude some elements like footnotes, footlines, and headlines? Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 10 04:46:04 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA21303 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA14509 for pdftex-list; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 06:32:47 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA14506 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 06:32:46 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:32:44 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA08090; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:31:46 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:31:46 +0100 (BST) To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: pdftex mini-query In-Reply-To: <199904092122.XAA14117@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <14094.2104.361400.325776@fell.open.ac.uk> <199904092122.XAA14117@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14095.10263.356542.265850@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > So I shall too: another thing that would be useful (and is also > > provided by the debug options with kpathsea) is informaton about > > exzctly what font files TeX loads. > > it would certainly be useful, and shoundn't be hard to do. However it doesn't > seem to be pdftex-specific; perhaps it should be in web2c? Agreed: I had meant to point that out. I am not sure if it is just an `implemtation thing' or maybe has some etex aspects? chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 10 05:05:08 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA21652 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 05:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA14598 for pdftex-list; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:01:20 -0400 Received: from custos.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA14595 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:01:18 -0400 Received: by custos.foa.se; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA19890; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:01:16 +0200 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se by mercur.foa.se (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Dec96-1251PM/sal/mek) id AA19576 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:01:15 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA19246; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:01:13 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24117 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:01:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199904101101.NAA24117@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Heiko Oberdiek Cc: Christian Jvnsson FOA 72 , Thomas Esser , tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: Re: pretest 990406 In-Reply-To: oberdiek's message of Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:34:51 +0200. <3.0.6.32.19990410013451.007bca70@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> From: Christian Joensson FOA 72 X-Face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h With your example I cannot reproduce any error. You should remove all > packages and all the code that you don't need to reproduce the error. > Then the TORA.log contains much more informations than the screen > output (the log file contains all the file versions). OK, here goes. It looks like the combination of T1 font encoding, graphics, and babel is what is causing the trouble and not the hyperref package. Any comments are welcome. /ChJ Here's the input test file: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage{graphics} \usepackage[british]{babel} \begin{document} This is a test. \end{document} Here's my log output *file* This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13c (Web2C 7.3) (format=pdflatex 1999.4.8) 10 APR 1999 12:38 **test-ChJ (test-ChJ.tex LaTeX2e <1998/12/01> Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, british, swedish, nohyphen ation, loaded. (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1999/01/07 v1.4a Standard LaTeX document class (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo File: size10.clo 1999/01/07 v1.4a Standard LaTeX file (size option) ) \c@part=\count79 \c@section=\count80 \c@subsection=\count81 \c@subsubsection=\count82 \c@paragraph=\count83 \c@subparagraph=\count84 \c@figure=\count85 \c@table=\count86 \abovecaptionskip=\skip41 \belowcaptionskip=\skip42 \bibindent=\dimen102 ) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty Package: fontenc 1999/02/24 v1.9t Standard LaTeX package (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def File: t1enc.def 1999/02/24 v1.9t Standard LaTeX file LaTeX Font Info: Redeclaring font encoding T1 on input line 25. )) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty Package: graphics 1999/02/16 v1.0l Standard LaTeX Graphics (DPC,SPQR) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty Package: trig 1999/03/16 v1.09 sin cos tan (DPC) ) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg) Package graphics Info: Driver file: pdftex.def on input line 80. (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def File: pdftex.def 1999/01/26 v0.02l graphics/color for pdftex \Gread@gobject=\count87 )) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty Package: babel 1999/04/05 v3.6m The Babel package (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/english.ldf File: english.ldf 1999/03/10 v3.3i English support from the babel system (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/babel.def File: babel.def 1999/04/05 v3.6m Babel common definitions \babel@savecnt=\count88 \U@D=\dimen103 ))) (test-ChJ.aux) \openout1 = `test-ChJ.aux'. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OML/cmm/m/it on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for T1/cmr/m/n on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OT1/cmr/m/n on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OMS/cmsy/m/n on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OMX/cmex/m/n on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for U/cmr/m/n on input line 9. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 9. (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing \protectiondepth=\count89 \scratchcounter=\count90 \scratchdimen=\dimen104 \scratchskip=\skip43 \scratchmuskip=\muskip10 \scratchbox=\box26 \scratchread=\read1 \scratchwrite=\write3 \nextbox=\box27 \nextdepth=\dimen105 \everyline=\toks14 \!!counta=\count91 \!!countb=\count92 \recursecounter=\count93 ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF \nofMPsegments=\count94 \nofMParguments=\count95 ) ! Undefined control sequence. fontenc.sty,,\@nil ,\@nil l.9 \begin{document} ? ! Undefined control sequence. fontenc.sty,,\@nil ,\@nil l.9 \begin{document} ? ! Undefined control sequence. \@iforloop ...x \expandafter \@iforloop \fi #2\@@ #3{#4} l.9 \begin{document} ? ! Argument of \bbl@test@filename has an extra }. \par l.9 \begin{document} ? Runaway argument? \fi ! Paragraph ended before \bbl@test@filename was complete. \par l.9 \begin{document} ? [1 ] (test-ChJ.aux) ) (\end occurred when \ifx on line 9 was incomplete) (\end occurred when \ifx on line 9 was incomplete) (\end occurred when \ifx on line 9 was incomplete) Here is how much of TeX's memory you used: 1079 strings out of 10645 11162 string characters out of 68531 58174 words of memory out of 263001 4083 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+0 4403 words of font info for 15 fonts, out of 200000 for 1000 22 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000 23i,4n,18p,200b,160s stack positions out of 300i,100n,500p,30000b,4000s Output written on test-ChJ.pdf (1 page, 8100 bytes). From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 10 06:24:20 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA23079 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 06:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA14934 for pdftex-list; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:15:43 -0400 Received: from custos.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14931 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:15:42 -0400 Received: by custos.foa.se; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA20259; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:15:35 +0200 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se by mercur.foa.se (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Dec96-1251PM/sal/mek) id AA13778 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:15:34 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19429; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:15:26 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA24420; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:15:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199904101215.OAA24420@arnljot.lin.foa.se> To: pdftex@tug.org, psfrag@rascals.Stanford.EDU, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: pdftex and pdflatex supporting eps file From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-Face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h From time to time people ask here or elsewhere if there is a pdf or > pdftex version of psfrag. They always get the answer, no, and not > likely to be either. However it just came up as an aside to a thread > on comp.text.tex that the commercial vtex implementation which does > have a `pdftex like' back end that writes pdf instead of dvi does now > have support for EPS files, including support for psfrag. > I haven't tried this myself as I don't have a new enough copy of vtex > but vtex can be found at > http://www.micropress-inc.com > Note I never recommend one commercial tex implementation over another. > This is not a recommendation I have not tested this, but just passing > on some information gleaned. I am sure that at the current time that > this is the only implementation with anything like this. > David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 10 02:22:31 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA18818 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA14048 for pdftex-list; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:18:11 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA14041 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:18:01 -0400 Received: from remote142-114.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.114] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Vsxj-0001BV-00; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:17:59 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990410100814.00799020@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:08:14 +0200 To: Han The Thanh From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: \pdfthread: bug \hbox versus \vbox Cc: pdftex@tug.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, last night I detect another bug concerning \pdfthread: There is an internal calculation error: Example: In the test file I put two vboxes with height 100bp with nearly the same contents side by side. The text and the boxes appear at the correct places, how it can seen in the log file. ( 1. Bug already posted: ) ( If I use different names, ) ( pdfTeX gives a wrong warning: ) ( ! Threads has been refered to but not created ) ( Both threads are merged to the second one. ) 3. The new bug: The vertical placement of the middle bead with (456) is wrong, too deep (amount of the height of the hbox). There are 6 beads: a) \a: \vbox{...123...} [ 72 719.89 306 769.89 ] b) \a: \vbox{456...} [ 72 669.89 306 694.89 ] c) \a: \vbox{\pdfendthread} [ 72 669.89 72 669.89 ] d) \a: \vbox{...123...} [ 306 719.89 540 769.89 ] e) \a: \hbox{456...} [ 306 644.89 321 669.89 ] f) \a: \vbox{\pdfendthread} [ 306 669.89 306 669.89 ] ==> Bead e) is 25bp too deep. %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% \showboxbreadth=\maxdimen \showboxdepth=\maxdimen \font\rm = ptmr8t scaled 4000 \parindent0pt \newbox\a \newbox\b \hsize=.5\hsize \setbox\a=\vbox{% \vbox to 50bp{% \pdfthread name{boxa}% 123\vfill }% \baselineskip50bp \vbox{456\hbox{\vbox to 25bp{}}}% \baselineskip0bp \vbox{\pdfendthread}% } \showbox\a \setbox\b=\vbox{% \vbox to 50bp{% \pdfthread name{boxb}% 123\vfill }% \baselineskip50bp \hbox{456\hbox{\vbox to 25bp{}}}% \baselineskip0bp \vbox{\pdfendthread}% } \showbox\b \hsize=2\hsize \leavevmode\hbox{\box\a}\hbox{\box\b}% \bye %%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%% Best regards Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 10 19:17:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA07693 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16441 for pdftex-list; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:05:32 -0400 Received: from top.coli.uni-sb.de (IDENT:zzIu7tVga7xe0Ral8OsuWz052CcjWvKO@top.coli.uni-sb.de [134.96.68.10]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA16438 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:05:26 -0400 Received: from bc.coli.uni-sb.de (crysmann@ppp-crysmann.coli.uni-sb.de [134.96.104.99]) by top.coli.uni-sb.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA24243; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:05:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [Family 1: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00] ([Family 1: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00]) by bc.coli.uni-sb.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00214; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:57:24 +0200 From: Berthold Crysmann Reply-To: crysmann@coli.uni-sb.de Organization: Computerlinguistik, UniSB To: Heiko Oberdiek , Han The Thanh Subject: Re: How to get rid of threads in foot-/headlines? Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:48:33 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.14] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: pdftex@tug.org References: <3.0.6.32.19990410101747.007bab00@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99041102572300.00173@bc> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id VAA16439 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Apr 1999, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: >Hello, > >(4.) If I start on a page with a thread and the threads leads >across a page break to another page, the foot page number and >the headline becomes part of the thread. But I don' want this. >Both elements are set by the output routine. Is there a >possibility to ask, if there is a thread open, or to exclude >some elements like footnotes, footlines, and headlines? > This reminds me of a problem I noted with a not so recent version of pdftex (0.12r or so). It doesn't mean it has disappeared though, I just didn't bother to upgrade... So here it goes: If a \cite gets split between two pages, and, of course, if backref option to hyperref is activated, intervening headers or footnotes become part of the link. If in addition, the intervening footnote contains another link, pdftex just broke with an error message that didn't make it all that easy to discover the source of the problem. I recall there was a lengthy mail thread between Sebastian Rahtz and Patrick Daly, the author of natbib, to provide a workaround... I'd be glad to hear about this problem being fixed. Cheers, Berthold >Yours sincerely > Heiko -- Berthold Crysmann Graduiertenkolleg Kognitionswissenschaft Fachrichtung 8.7, Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft, Computerlinguistik Universitaet des Saarlandes, Postfach 15 11 50, D 66041 Saarbruecken From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 11 06:37:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA19940 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 06:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA17589 for pdftex-list; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:30:38 -0400 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17579; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:29:48 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26570; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:29:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m10VwqG-000clVC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:26:32 +0200 (CEST) To: Robin Barker Cc: tex-k@tug.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: problems with Makefiles References: <199904091641.RAA04232@cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 10 Apr 1999 14:26:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: Robin Barker's message of "Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:41:40 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <87emlshdah.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robin Barker writes: > I have been building web2c-7.3beta9 to try the latest beta of > pdftex-1.13. The Makefile for the 'make install' step calls > $(scriptdir)/mktexlsr, then $(scriptdir)/texconfig, then > $(srcdir)/selfautofix. Which Makefile is that? AFAIK no Makefile from web2c-7.3beta9 contains such calls. Nor does the distribution come with texconfig or selfautofix (and you'd certainly need a matching version of texconfig). > My questions are: > 1) Is there a new version of texconfig which uses mktexupd? Is so where? Look for the teTeX pretests. > 2) Should there by a copy of selfautofix in web2c-7.3beta9 or pdftex-1.13? It is not in web2c. > 3) Is there an easy way to configure web2c so that $(scriptdir) =/= > $(bindir) ? Not at present. -- Olaf Weber Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are quick to anger and have no need for subtlety. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 11 08:56:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA22308 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17989 for pdftex-list; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:52:33 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17986 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:52:31 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.46]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA73A6; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: <371090CC.6D762E5C@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:08:44 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Oberdiek CC: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: How to get rid of threads in foot-/headlines? References: <3.0.6.32.19990410101747.007bab00@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > (4.) If I start on a page with a thread and the threads leads > across a page break to another page, the foot page number and > the headline becomes part of the thread. But I don' want this. > Both elements are set by the output routine. Is there a > possibility to ask, if there is a thread open, or to exclude > some elements like footnotes, footlines, and headlines? That's not exactly the way threads are meant to be used. In pdf, threads are primary meant do deal with this newspaper 'continued on page ..' typesetting. It's simply a hack that deals with non screem dedicated typesetting. This is reflected in the in some respects rather fuzzy implementation, i.e. the viewer tries to do clever too and adapts the view slightly different from the views specified. This is one of the reasons why I put a lot of thread macros in the fridge: the viewers behavior is too unpredictable. When you use threads in a text typeset by tex, there are nummerous places where it can be of use. But, and this is not tex-specific, when you cross a page border, the macro package (or typesetting program) has to make sure itself that things like headers and footers (and much more) are taken care of. In tex, this means that threads have to be taken care of in the output routine. When you use threads for multicolumns, this is rather trivial, when you use threads in one column mode, is can be a bit more complicated, but depending on what you want to do, it can be done. It's not much different from colored backgrounds, and other page crossing things. But beware of viewer specific behavior! But, it's the macro packages business! It only makes sense to let pdftex do this, if there was a hard coded page model, and this would be a limitation in itself. As far as I can see, the pdftex threads work ok for the cases adobe had in mind, although offsets etc could be implemented more flexible (a bit more control). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 12 03:18:54 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA13899 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA19772 for pdftex-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:00:49 -0400 Received: from batman.npl.co.uk (batman.npl.co.uk [139.143.5.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19769 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:00:47 -0400 Received: from herschel.npl.co.uk ([139.143.1.16]) by batman.npl.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA22127; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:57:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk (cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk [139.143.18.7]) by herschel.npl.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22049; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (from rmb1@localhost) by cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05636; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:50 +0100 (BST) From: Robin Barker Message-Id: <199904120856.JAA05636@cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk> To: olaf@infovore.xs4all.nl, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: problems with Makefiles Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From olaf@infovore.xs4all.nl Sun Apr 11 13:29:51 1999 > > Robin Barker writes: > > > I have been building web2c-7.3beta9 to try the latest beta of > > pdftex-1.13. The Makefile for the 'make install' step calls > > $(scriptdir)/mktexlsr, then $(scriptdir)/texconfig, then > > $(srcdir)/selfautofix. > > Which Makefile is that? AFAIK no Makefile from web2c-7.3beta9 > contains such calls. Nor does the distribution come with texconfig or > selfautofix (and you'd certainly need a matching version of > texconfig). Thanks for your answers. This is the Makefile generated from Makefile.in at the top of the source tree in pdftexsrc.tgz from ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta/latest following the example in the README files headed "Compiling pdftex". Robin -- Robin Barker, \ Email: Robin.Barker@npl.co.uk Information Systems Engineering, \ Tel: +44 (0) 181 943 7090 B10, National Physical Laboratory, \ Fax: +44 (0) 181 977 7091 Teddington, Middlesex, UK. TW11 0LW \ WWW: http://www.npl.co.uk From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 12 05:57:54 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA16852 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA20209 for pdftex-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:39:37 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20206 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:39:35 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18806 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:39:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29811 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:39:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904121139.NAA29811@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.13d To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:39:26 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, pdftex-0.13d has been release at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta/latest/ Changes: - a bug with virtual font has been fixed (reported by Richardo) - get TTFs work (with Acrobat Reader 4.0). The changes that have been done in TTFs are: > 1) add prefix "Embedded" to all relevant name ids in name table (to make sure > that no external fonts are used) > > 2) fix all the encoding id in cmap subtables to 0 (symbol encoding---not to use > page code) > > 3) fix usFirstCharIndex to 0x0000 and usLastCharIndex to 0xF0FF > > 4) fix the ulUnicodeRange to > Base latin (0x00--0x7F) + Latin1 Supplement (0x80--0xFF) + Private Use (0xE000--0xF8FF) > > 5) fix the ulCodePageRange to Symbol Character Set (don't use any code page) [A good place to look for TTFs is http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/ttfonts.htm, which contains links to some reasonable TTFs] - change \immediate to accept \pdfobj - the name of config file (pdftex.cfg) now goes to both log and terminal - all error messages and warning go to log and terminal - updated pdftexinfo to the latest version of texinfo; tested with all texi documentations which come with emacs). - pdftex.cfg has been changed (up to tetex). Now we have only one huge map file pdftex.map. Known problems that are not fixed yet: - some pdf images don't work. This problem is related to xpdf code and will be fixed at the next release of xpdf (promised by the xpdf' author) - pdfthread needs more work to be useable Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 12 15:17:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA01711 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA21560 for pdftex-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:29 -0400 Received: from phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca (root@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca [207.253.145.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21556 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:13 -0400 From: pierred@Interlinx.qc.ca Received: from 008.utc-4.Sherbrooke.InterLinx.qc.ca (008.utc-4.Sherbrooke.InterLinx.qc.ca [207.253.183.28]) by phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA06175 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:02 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex and Acrobat Reader 4.0 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:09 -0400 Message-ID: <37125bd3.14714140@interlinx.qc.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have prepared a math document with pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13b (MiKTeX 1.20 beta 2). I read it with the new Acrobat Reader 4.0. Everything went smooth, except with the printing portion: The integral and parenthesis are cut in half, i.e. only the upper parts appear on the printout (paper) document (HP Deskjet 520), even if they are OK on the screen. Any idea? Thanks. __________________ Pierre Desjardins Sherbrooke, Québec __________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 12 15:17:53 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA01738 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA21565 for pdftex-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:46 -0400 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21562 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:56:41 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03194; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m10Wnhi-000cksC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:53:14 +0200 (CEST) To: Robin Barker Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: problems with Makefiles References: <199904120856.JAA05636@cyclone.cise.npl.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 12 Apr 1999 22:53:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: Robin Barker's message of "Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:50 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <877lrhh87a.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robin Barker writes: > This is the Makefile generated from Makefile.in at the top of the > source tree in pdftexsrc.tgz from > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta/latest > following the example in the README files headed "Compiling pdftex". That Makefile.in seems to depend on being embedded in a teTeX source tree, and won't function in a web2c source tree. Unfortunately, a suitable top-level web2c Makefile.in has yet to be written. What you could try is running 'make install' in the texk subdirectory rather than the top-level directory. -- Olaf Weber Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are quick to anger and have no need for subtlety. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 12 17:29:36 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA05274 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22117 for pdftex-list; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:21:50 -0400 Received: from ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.18]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22114 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:21:48 -0400 Received: from msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca [131.104.32.59]) by ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA07106 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904122321.TAA07106@ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca> Received: from MSNET/SpoolDir by msnet.mathstat.uoguelph.ca (Mercury 1.40); 12 Apr 99 19:18:14 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by MSNET (Mercury 1.40); 12 Apr 99 19:17:56 -0500 From: "William R. Smith" Organization: Math & Stats, University of Guelph To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:17:52 -500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pdftex and Acrobat Reader 4.0 In-reply-to: <37125bd3.14714140@interlinx.qc.ca> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have prepared a math document with pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13b (MiKTeX > 1.20 beta 2). I read it with the new Acrobat Reader 4.0. Everything went > smooth, except with the printing portion: The integral and parenthesis are > cut in half, i.e. only the upper parts appear on the printout (paper) > document (HP Deskjet 520), even if they are OK on the screen. > > Any idea? This is a new variant of the "missing minus signs problem" with Version 3 of the Reader (see my earlier posts on this). BTW, are you sure you're using the right paper size? (I was inadvertently using A4 instead of letter, which caused some of my problems). I have not yet tried Version 4 myself, but it looks like maybe Adobe still has not got it right! Best Regards, W. R. Smith Professor Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics and School of Engineering University of Guelph FAX: 519-837-0221 Guelph, Ontario Tel: 519-824-4120, ext. 3038 CANADA N1G 2W1 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 13 03:50:09 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA18065 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA23395 for pdftex-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:12:59 -0400 Received: from elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.39]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA23392 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:12:57 -0400 Received: from elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.217.221]) by elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA24370; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:11:30 +0100 Received: from srahtz (srahtz@srahtz.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.213.187]) by elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA04797; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:14:37 +0100 X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.2 (via feedmail 9-beta-3 Q); VM 6.61 under Emacs 20.3.2 From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14098.30529.830003.609023@srahtz> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:44:17 +0100 (BST) To: oscar@charpy.etsiig.uniovi.es cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Oscar Fernandez Sierra ] In-Reply-To: <199904110946.FAA17356@tug.org> References: <199904110946.FAA17356@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Hello PDFTEX-addicts, > > I have compiled a document with PDFTeX using hyperref, and some of the > hyperlinks it makes point to a invalid part of the document. > The hyperlinks in troubles point to a equation. > All the other hyperlinks in the document work properly (to equations, > pages, footnotes). Is there any documented/undocumented bug? More details needed, please, including - pdftex version - hyperref version - TeX source file, as small as possible, showing the problem its unlikely to be a pdftex problem, so send bug reports directly to me sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 13 05:14:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA19655 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 05:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA23681 for pdftex-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:51:53 -0400 Received: from elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.39]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23678 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:51:46 -0400 Received: from elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.217.221]) by elsoxfs12417.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA25696; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:50:20 +0100 Received: from srahtz (srahtz@srahtz.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.213.187]) by elsoxfs12414.elsevier.co.uk (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA06208; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:53:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:27:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4898-Tue13Apr1999122746+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.2 (via feedmail 9-beta-3 Q) From: "Sebastian Rahtz" To: ctan-ann@urz.uni-heidelberg.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref 6.56 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have just put hyperref 6.56 on CTAN. This fixes *important* features which were broken in 6.53-6.55 (index links stopped working), and some other smaller things. Support for "seminar" is improved. Many apologies for the broken release. Sebastian Rahtz Note: The hyperref package is used to emend cross-referencing commands in LaTeX to produce some sort of hypertext command; there are backends for the \special set defined for HyperTeX dvi processors, for embedded pdfmark commands for processing by Acrobat Distiller (dvips and dvipsone), for dviwindo, for pdfTeX, for TeX4ht, and for VTEX's pdf and HTML backends. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 13 08:41:15 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23974 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24206 for pdftex-list; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:17:18 -0400 Received: from elch.de.uu.net (elch.de.uu.net [192.76.144.55]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24203 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:17:16 -0400 Received: from gmx.de (pec-40.au2.b.uunet.de [149.228.254.40]:2158) by elch.de.uu.net with ESMTP (5.65+:003/3.0.2) id QAA15587; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:15:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <371351B2.E56DE9E0@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:16:18 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: nl, de, en, fr, it MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pierred@Interlinx.qc.ca CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex and Acrobat Reader 4.0 References: <37125bd3.14714140@interlinx.qc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk pierred@Interlinx.qc.ca wrote: > > I have prepared a math document with pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13b (MiKTeX 1.20 beta 2). I read it with the new Acrobat > Reader 4.0. Everything went smooth, except with the printing portion: The integral and parenthesis are cut in half, i.e. > only the upper parts appear on the printout (paper) document (HP Deskjet 520), even if they are OK on the screen. > > Any idea? Try Ghostscript maybe together with GSview to print it. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ Tobias From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 15 22:20:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA21761 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA02520 for pdftex-list; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:54:13 -0400 Received: from aples2.jhuapl.edu (aples2.jhuapl.edu [128.244.26.86]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA02517 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:54:12 -0400 Received: from jhuapl.edu (bix-as5200-43.jhuapl.edu [128.244.10.43]) by aples2.jhuapl.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 2F7KL71P; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3716B43D.1994AD80@jhuapl.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:53:33 -0400 From: Skip Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: robuster ps/pdf with virtual fonts (?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk After some frustration trying to import dvips output into Adobe Illustrator, I decided to try using virtual fonts to overcome some of the platform dependent font encoding problems. It seems that AI cannot deal with characters in the 0-31 range in type 1 versions of the CM/AMS fonts. It seems also that AI is not the only software which is so afflicted. I figured that I could remap the fonts through VF files to the higher encoding slots of the troublesome, doubly encoded characters. Perhaps pdftex users will find that the approach provides a work-around for some font bugs in pdf viewing software. I got it to work. Sort of. The re-mapping works as expected. TeX thinks \Gamma in cmr10 is character 0. But dvips sees that cmr10.tfm has a companion virtual font cmr10.vf which tells it to re-map the character to slot 161 in aicmr10.tfm, which I created. Then, when I use a suitable font map file, dvips knows that aicmr10.tfm refers to the type 1 font CMR10 in file cmr10.pfb. Whew. The only problem I found was that Adobe Illustrator still barfed. It seems that doubly encoded characters in fonts confuse AI no matter which one of the encodings you choose. The only solution to this was to do surgery on the type 1 fonts. I converted them to ascii and removed encoding slots 0-32, 127 and 128. Then I reconverted back to binary. To avoid confusion, I renamed the files by prepending 'ai' to the font names, so cmr10 became aicmr10. I did not change the internal postscript font name from CMR10. Now everything works great. AI is happy with the sanitized fonts. It can import dvips output happily. I find also that pdftex is happy with the VFs and cleaned up PFBs. I figure that there is a lot of buggy software out there which deals with ps and pdf. If these files could help work around some known or potential bugs, I would be happy to let others try to use them. Drop me an email. Skip Collins From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 16 05:37:07 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA00491 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 05:37:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA03411 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:12:26 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA03408 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:12:21 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 10Y6Xa-0001EA-00; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:10 +0400 Received: from david.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.103] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 10Y6XZ-0007aj-00; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:09 +0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=david.service.jet.msk.su ident=tobotras) by david.service.jet.msk.su with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10Y6XY-0007wm-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:08 +0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: water signs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:12:07 +0400 From: Boris Tobotras Message-Id: X-BadReturnPath: tobotras@david.service.jet.msk.su rewritten as tobotras@jet.msk.su using "From" header Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, can I implement water signs (line DRAFT letters across the page) in pdftex? Thanks, -- Best regards, -- Boris. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 16 16:19:23 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA17205 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA05309 for pdftex-list; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:11:37 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.212]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05298; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:11:03 -0400 Received: from hal9000 (ppp3.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.223]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA06766; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:10:35 +0200 Message-ID: <001301be8857$76352800$dfe030c1@esemetz.fr> From: "Fabrice Popineau" To: , Subject: 0.13d win32 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:21:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id SAA05299 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk There is a standalone pdftex-0.13d for win32 in : ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/tex/win32-beta/pdftex-0.13d-win32.zip With Thanh agreement, and thanks to Pavel Janik patches, pdftex.exe has been made TIFF aware. TIFF supports the JPG compression scheme now. That does not mean every TIFF file will be read. Please report any problems, Fabrice Popineau From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 17 23:04:13 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA22585 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA08668 for pdftex-list; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:45:33 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08665 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:45:31 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:45:08 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (dd70-142.dub.compuserve.com [199.174.209.142]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id AAA02717; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <371961E3.D800E269@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:38:59 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: pdftex-0.13d References: <199904121139.NAA29811@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk It seems that windows95/acrord32.exe 4.0 don't display some ttf's correctly when font subsetting is taking place. e.g. I replaced +cm.map by +cmttf.map in my pdftex.cfg and tried pdftex'ing the following file: Hello World! \it 1234 \bye The "Hello World" displayed OK but not the italic numbers. When I replaced the line cmti10 Cmti10 > Hi all, > > pdftex-0.13d has been release at > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta/latest/ > > Changes: > > - a bug with virtual font has been fixed (reported by Richardo) > > - get TTFs work (with Acrobat Reader 4.0). The changes that have been done in > TTFs are: > > > 1) add prefix "Embedded" to all relevant name ids in name table (to make sure > > that no external fonts are used) > > > > 2) fix all the encoding id in cmap subtables to 0 (symbol encoding---not to use > > page code) > > > > 3) fix usFirstCharIndex to 0x0000 and usLastCharIndex to 0xF0FF > > > > 4) fix the ulUnicodeRange to > > Base latin (0x00--0x7F) + Latin1 Supplement (0x80--0xFF) + Private Use (0xE000--0xF8FF) > > > > 5) fix the ulCodePageRange to Symbol Character Set (don't use any code page) > > [A good place to look for TTFs is http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/ttfonts.htm, > which contains links to some reasonable TTFs] > > - change \immediate to accept \pdfobj > > - the name of config file (pdftex.cfg) now goes to both log and terminal > > - all error messages and warning go to log and terminal > > - updated pdftexinfo to the latest version of texinfo; > tested with all texi documentations which come with emacs). > > - pdftex.cfg has been changed (up to tetex). Now we have only one huge map file > pdftex.map. > > Known problems that are not fixed yet: > > - some pdf images don't work. This problem is related to xpdf code and will be > fixed at the next release of xpdf (promised by the xpdf' author) > > - pdfthread needs more work to be useable > > Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 19 02:16:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA23174 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA10491 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 03:52:40 -0400 Received: from aleph.net.uniovi.es (aleph.net.uniovi.es [156.35.11.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA10474 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 03:47:54 -0400 Received: from biosun.quimica.uniovi.es by aleph.net.uniovi.es (PMDF V5.1-11 #30226) with SMTP id <01JA7OFK48760043ES@aleph.net.uniovi.es> for pdftex@mail.tug.org; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:44:59 +0100 (MET) Received: by biosun.quimica.uniovi.es (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29991; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:31:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:31:21 +0100 From: carmenes@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es (Dr. R.S.Carmenes) Subject: Bug with slant fonts To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <9904190731.AA29991@biosun.quimica.uniovi.es> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Thanh and pdftex-addicts, I have discovered another small bug in the pdftex font managing routines. The symptom is that negative slant values given in the map files are simply ignored. Although it is more common to use positive values to simulate oblique fonts (that pdftex process correctly), sometimes the oposite is desired when we want to get the "upright" version of a font that is naturally inclined. In this case a negative value is used, and I found that the current pdftex 0.13d was unable to process it correctly. The attached diff patch corrects this very simple bug. The trouble is that "is_slanted" (used in writet1.c) returns true only when the slant value is greater than zero, whereas the correct behaviour would be to return "true" with any non-zero value. Regards, Ricardo S. Cármenes. --- texk/web2c/pdftexdir/libpdftex.h Sat Apr 10 15:53:12 1999 +++ /root/pdf/test/Install/libpdftex.h Fri Apr 16 23:35:06 1999 @@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ #define is_noparsing() (fm_cur->font_type & F_NOPARSING) #define is_pcgfont() (fm_cur->font_type & F_PGCFONT) #define is_reencoded() (fm_cur->encoding >= 0) -#define is_slanted() (fm_cur->slant > 0) +#define is_slanted() (fm_cur->slant != 0) #define is_extended() (fm_cur->extend > 0) typedef struct { From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 19 07:03:20 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA28595 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA12381 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:54:12 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12374 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:54:10 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05589 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:54:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA20172; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:58:33 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:58:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904191258.OAA20172@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Subject: pdftex & hz X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all. Did someone do something in order to generate on the fly the +/- versions of type 1 fonts needed by pdftex ? (i have on my local disk a (thanh's) mktextfm that produces 8z fonts from 8a source, using afm2tfm, i'd prefer something making 8t fonts (or even 9e...) from 8r (8x...) probably using fontinst. Same for MM fonts. did someone think of a neat way to use the new \font primitive in NFSS? (I know i should have done this myself months ago, but for some reason i couldn't find the time...) Thanks, Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 19 21:11:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA21255 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA13686 for pdftex-list; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:06:06 -0400 Received: from post.larc.nasa.gov (post.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.45]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13683 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:06:04 -0400 Received: from express.larc.nasa.gov (express.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.44]) by post.larc.nasa.gov (8.8.8.1/pohub4.3) with ESMTP id XAA17584 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from larc.nasa.gov (ab21.larc.nasa.gov [146.165.27.20]) by express.larc.nasa.gov (8.8.8.1/posvr4.3) with ESMTP id XAA24702 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <371BEF15.633B9A4C@larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:05:57 -0400 From: bil kleb Organization: NASA Langley Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; IRIX64 6.5 IP28) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex mailing list Subject: pdflatex dumps core Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk after a few months of mildly(?) pushing pdflatex, i have finally managed to break at least some piece of it using the following code and an associated image, flyback.pdf; \documentclass{article} \usepackage{graphicx} \setkeys{Gin}{width=\linewidth} \begin{document} Figure~\ref{f:flyback} shows the test rig and models for hypersonic separation studies of the Shuttle Fly-Back Booster Program. \begin{figure} \begin{center} \includegraphics{flyback} \caption{Shuttle Liquid Fly-Back Booster} \label{f:flyback} \end{center} \end{figure} \end{document} the above works fine for "old" latex/dvips/ghostview/etc, but after converting the eps figure using epstopdf (v2.4:1998/10/22) with gs (v4.03:1996/09/23), pdflatex (part of a mid-feb release of teTeX-beta) comes up cold with the following: ab21% pdflatex flyit This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13b (Web2C 7.3beta4) (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg) (flyit.tex LaTeX2e <1998/06/01> Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, nohyphenation, loaded. (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1998/05/05 v1.3y Standard LaTeX document class (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty) (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty) (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg) (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def))) (flyit.aux) (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex (/home/ab21/ab/kleb/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/ppchtex/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF ) LaTeX Warning: Reference `f:flyback' on page 1 undefined on input line 5. Segmentation fault (core dumped) is this symptomatic of a bad eps file translation? (or where/what should i start looking/updating first?) the eps figure was created from a scanned image with photoshop on a mac, then transferred to my unix box via our usual conventions. top bit: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 EPSF-3.0 %%Creator: Adobe Photoshop Version 5.0 %%Title: flyback.eps %%CreationDate: 4/19/99 9:40 AM %%BoundingBox: 0 0 669 356 %%HiResBoundingBox: 0 0 669.1128 356.2105 %%SuppressDotGainCompensation %%EndComments it is 6.6Mb file and epstopdf creates a 3.1Mb pdf file note: the above test files are available on the web at, http://abweb.larc.nasa.gov:8080/~kleb/flyit/ if anyone has bandwidth and to spare... thanks, --- bil From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 20 00:17:28 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA25446 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA14501 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:02:07 -0400 Received: from jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp (jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp [157.13.51.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA14498 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:02:04 -0400 Received: by jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.6W-kfsci) id PAA03659; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:02:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199904200602.PAA03659@jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp> To: w.l.kleb@larc.nasa.gov Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex dumps core In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:05:57 -0400" References: <371BEF15.633B9A4C@larc.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:02:05 +0900 From: Akira KAKUTO Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: bil kleb Subject: pdflatex dumps core Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:05:57 -0400 Message-ID: <371BEF15.633B9A4C@larc.nasa.gov> > after a few months of mildly(?) pushing pdflatex, i have finally > managed to break at least some piece of it using the following code > and an associated image, flyback.pdf; > > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage{graphicx} > \setkeys{Gin}{width=\linewidth} > \begin{document} > Figure~\ref{f:flyback} shows the test rig and models for hypersonic > separation studies of the Shuttle Fly-Back Booster Program. > \begin{figure} > \begin{center} > \includegraphics{flyback} > \caption{Shuttle Liquid Fly-Back Booster} > \label{f:flyback} > \end{center} > \end{figure} > \end{document} > > the above works fine for "old" latex/dvips/ghostview/etc, but after > converting the eps figure using epstopdf (v2.4:1998/10/22) with > gs (v4.03:1996/09/23), pdflatex (part of a mid-feb release of teTeX-beta) > comes up cold with the following: ... > Reader 4.0 fails to display your flyback.pdf. I tested by epstopdf with gs 5.50. Created flyback.pdf (1392746 byte) seems to be OK (can be viewed by Acrobat Reader 4.0 with full color), but becomes monochromatic when embedded by pdflatex (0.13d). I don't know why. ----- Akira Kakuto Kyushu School of Engineering, Kinki University, Iizuka 8208555, Japan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 20 00:20:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA25521 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA14554 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:06:09 -0400 Received: from samba.intra.jablotron.cz (gw.jablotron.cz [194.228.41.250]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA14550 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:06:07 -0400 Received: from osoba.intra.jablotron.cz (osoba.intra.jablotron.cz [192.168.250.38]) by samba.intra.jablotron.cz with SMTP id IAA08502 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6 for ); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:13:42 +0200 Message-ID: <199904200613.IAA08502@samba.intra.jablotron.cz> From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:06:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pdflatex dumps core Reply-to: Jiri Osoba In-reply-to: <371BEF15.633B9A4C@larc.nasa.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 19 Apr 99, at 23:05, bil kleb wrote: > after a few months of mildly(?) pushing pdflatex, i have finally > managed to break at least some piece of it using the following code > and an associated image, flyback.pdf; ... > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > is this symptomatic of a bad eps file translation? (or where/what should i > start looking/updating first?) > > the eps figure was created from a scanned image with photoshop on a mac, > then transferred to my unix box via our usual conventions. top bit: ... > it is 6.6Mb file and epstopdf creates a 3.1Mb pdf file It could be. Try to convert the scanned image into PNG and include it into PDFTeX. Jiri. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 20 05:36:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA01501 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA16024 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:21:11 -0400 Received: from custos.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA16021 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:21:10 -0400 Received: by custos.foa.se; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA18268; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:21:09 +0200 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se by mercur.foa.se (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Dec96-1251PM/sal/mek) id AA27895 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:21:08 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA23501; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:21:06 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01373 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:21:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199904201121.NAA01373@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Thumbnails under pdftex From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-Face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA16255 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:45:32 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16252 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:45:23 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29486; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:43:00 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <371C778F.EED16295@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:48:15 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Akira KAKUTO CC: w.l.kleb@larc.nasa.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex dumps core References: <371BEF15.633B9A4C@larc.nasa.gov> <199904200602.PAA03659@jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Akira KAKUTO wrote: > > From: bil kleb > Subject: pdflatex dumps core > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:05:57 -0400 > Message-ID: <371BEF15.633B9A4C@larc.nasa.gov> > > > after a few months of mildly(?) pushing pdflatex, i have finally > > managed to break at least some piece of it using the following code > > and an associated image, flyback.pdf; > > > > \documentclass{article} > > \usepackage{graphicx} > > \setkeys{Gin}{width=\linewidth} > > \begin{document} > > Figure~\ref{f:flyback} shows the test rig and models for hypersonic > > separation studies of the Shuttle Fly-Back Booster Program. > > \begin{figure} > > \begin{center} > > \includegraphics{flyback} > > \caption{Shuttle Liquid Fly-Back Booster} > > \label{f:flyback} > > \end{center} > > \end{figure} > > \end{document} > > > > the above works fine for "old" latex/dvips/ghostview/etc, but after > > converting the eps figure using epstopdf (v2.4:1998/10/22) with > > gs (v4.03:1996/09/23), pdflatex (part of a mid-feb release of teTeX-beta) > > comes up cold with the following: > ... > > > > Reader 4.0 fails to display your flyback.pdf. > I tested by epstopdf with gs 5.50. > Created flyback.pdf (1392746 byte) seems to be OK > (can be viewed by Acrobat Reader 4.0 with full color), but > becomes monochromatic when embedded by pdflatex (0.13d). I don't know why. > ----- > Akira Kakuto > Kyushu School of Engineering, Kinki University, Iizuka 8208555, Japan I found this too. When I instead used Distiller to create flyback.pdf the final pdflatex produced pdf was OK -- no trouble with colour. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 20 07:43:09 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA03892 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA16432 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:24:10 -0400 Received: from post.larc.nasa.gov (post.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.45]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16429 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:24:07 -0400 Received: from express.larc.nasa.gov (express.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.44]) by post.larc.nasa.gov (8.8.8.1/pohub4.3) with ESMTP id JAA23809 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from larc.nasa.gov (ab21.larc.nasa.gov [146.165.27.20]) by express.larc.nasa.gov (8.8.8.1/posvr4.3) with ESMTP id JAA18519 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <371C7FF2.9809F67D@larc.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:24:02 -0400 From: bil kleb Organization: NASA Langley Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; IRIX64 6.5 IP28) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex mailing list Subject: Re: pdflatex dumps core References: <371BEF15.633B9A4C@larc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk bil kleb wrote: > > is this symptomatic of a bad eps file translation? it seems that it was: i got a pdf file directly from photoshop instead of using the epstopdf2.4/gs4.03 translation and things are fine... btw: is there anyway to have pdflatex give me more diagnostics before it dumps core? this is scary behavior to someone who is used to (at least) the cryptic error messages of (la)tex (which in ten years has yet to simply dump core). i've often heard others exclaim that at least tex doesn't just die like msword ... thanks for the help, -- bil From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 20 07:51:51 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA04061 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA16510 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:39:05 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16506 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:38:50 -0400 Received: from remote142-52.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.52] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10ZahK-0006WO-00; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:36:23 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990420150518.32d79c58@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:05:18 +0200 To: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Thumbnails under pdftex In-Reply-To: <199904201121.NAA01373@arnljot.lin.foa.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id JAA16508 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 13:21 20.04.1999 +0200, Christian Jönsson FOA 72 wrote: > >What's the status of having thumbnails of pages in a (La)TeX document? You can add thumbnails to TeX or LaTeX documents: \input thumbpdf.sty or \usepackage{thumbpdf} The perl script thumbpdf(.pl) does the job automatically, (ghostscript recommended). See CTAN:macros/pdftex/thumbpdf/ Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 20 10:13:47 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA07822 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA17222 for pdftex-list; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:56:01 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17219 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:55:59 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04613 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA03135; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:00:33 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:00:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904201600.SAA03135@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Subject: Re: pdftex & hz In-Reply-To: <199904191258.OAA20172@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199904191258.OAA20172@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk A few things still unclear to me from the manual. If i say \font\testfont=putr8t at 8pt stretch 50 shrink 50 step 5 \efcode`\A=2000 \efcode`\B=500 and there is a line with stretch +45. What happens to A and B ? A should be rendered using putrt8t+90, right? But this is forbidden by the Rule, so it will be putrt8t+50? B should be rendered using putrt8t+22.5, but this doesn't exist (or at least is forbidden by the step value) -> putrt8t+20 (or +25) is used? It then seems to me that the computations for H&J are done _before_ such adjustments are done, so i suppose that all discrepencies are spread among the interword glue on that line? Also, this only happens on lines of text, right? But what about lines with inline maths? xxxxx $\rm xxxx$ will use 2 distinct fonts? Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 21 19:23:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA26457 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24795 for pdftex-list; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:15:58 -0400 Received: from titan.vol.net (titan.vol.net [202.88.0.138]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24792 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:15:51 -0400 Received: from bct5 (c02-60.vol.net [202.88.7.139]) by titan.vol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08100 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:15:41 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <002f01be8c5d$8ffca920$695858ca@concept.com> From: "Hilary Cheng" To: "PDFTeX" Subject: About Non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:15:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE8CA0.99F6D8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE8CA0.99F6D8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to ask, is PDFTeX Support for non-English Character for = Acrobat 4.0 ? I want to generate a Form that contains non-English Character. I heard = that Acrobat 4.0 is supported. Is that truth ? Regards, Hilary ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE8CA0.99F6D8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to ask, is PDFTeX Support = for=20 non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 ?
I want to generate a Form that contains = non-English=20 Character. I heard that
Acrobat 4.0 is supported. Is that truth = ?
 
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Hilary
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE8CA0.99F6D8E0-- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 02:56:33 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA07784 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA26384 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:41:10 -0400 Received: from nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it (root@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it [160.80.81.115]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA26381 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:41:04 -0400 Received: from nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it (pratesi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA11852 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:42:20 +0200 Message-ID: <371ED2D8.EF17AD8C@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:42:17 +0200 From: Marco Pratesi Reply-To: pratesi@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it Organization: Univ. di Roma "Tor Vergata" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: including pdf figures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! I am using 2 different versions of Thomas Esser's TeX: 1 - teTeX-0.9 on Linux RedHat 5.2; 2 - teTeX-0.9-981113 compiled ``by hand'' on Linux Slackware 3.5. I obtain .pdf documents through ``pdflatexing'' .tex files. I include .pdf figures through \includegraphics. .pdf figures are obtained as follows: firstly, I obtain .ps (or .eps) figures through Xfig-3.2.2 or through Gnuplot; then I use the epstopdf Perl script to obtain the .pdf figure. The .pdf figures I obtain are displayed and printed correctly by Acrobat Reader 3.02 for Linux. Finally, I type the command ``pdflatex filename.tex''. Apparently, all goes well, but, when I display through ``acroread filename.pdf''... 1 - on Linux RedHat (teTeX-0.9): many objects are missing on every included figure; sometimes there are problems with font size and paragraph formatting after the figure; 2 - on Linux Slackware (teTeX-0.9-981113): the document is often displayed correctly, but sometimes AcroRead says: ``there was a problem reading this document''; if I print the page, I only obtain the GhostScript's error messages. I can include .png figures, but vector graphics is displayed very badly. I think that pdftex is a very great idea, but, if I can't include figures... I must use ``ps2pdf filename.ps''. Has this problem been solved on teTeX-0.9-990416? Marco Pratesi Dpt. of Electronics Engineering University of Rome, Italy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 04:12:50 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09468 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA27046 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:03:39 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA27043 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:03:33 -0400 Received: from remote142-49.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.49] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10aGJu-0004Sj-00; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:02:58 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990422120010.35ff321e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:00:10 +0200 To: "Hilary Cheng" , "PDFTeX" From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: About Non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 In-Reply-To: <002f01be8c5d$8ffca920$695858ca@concept.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:15 22.04.1999 +0800, Hilary Cheng wrote: >I would like to ask, is PDFTeX Support for non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 ? >I want to generate a Form that contains non-English Character. If you need pdf strings in PDFDocEncoding, you can convert them with the LaTeX package hyperref. Look at \pdfstringdef (>= version 6.56). Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 04:21:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09677 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA27109 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:11:50 -0400 Received: from nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it (root@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it [160.80.81.115]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA27106 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:11:45 -0400 Received: from nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it (pratesi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA12090 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:13:04 +0200 Message-ID: <371EE81E.62CDA9AB@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:13:03 +0200 From: Marco Pratesi Reply-To: pratesi@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it Organization: Univ. di Roma "Tor Vergata" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: including pdf figures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! I am using 2 different versions of Thomas Esser's TeX: 1 - teTeX-0.9 on Linux RedHat 5.2; 2 - teTeX-0.9-981113 compiled ``by hand'' on Linux Slackware 3.5. I obtain .pdf documents through ``pdflatexing'' .tex files. I include .pdf figures through \includegraphics. .pdf figures are obtained as follows: firstly, I obtain .ps (or .eps) figures through Xfig-3.2.2 or through Gnuplot; then I use the epstopdf Perl script to obtain the .pdf figure. The .pdf figures I obtain are displayed and printed correctly by Acrobat Reader 3.02 for Linux. Finally, I type the command ``pdflatex filename.tex''. Apparently, all goes well, but, when I display through ``acroread filename.pdf''... 1 - on Linux RedHat (teTeX-0.9): many objects are missing on every included figure; sometimes there are problems with font size and paragraph formatting after the figure; 2 - on Linux Slackware (teTeX-0.9-981113): the document is often displayed correctly, but sometimes AcroRead says: ``there was a problem reading this document''; if I print the page, I only obtain the GhostScript's error messages. I can include .png figures, but vector graphics is displayed very badly. I think that pdftex is a very great idea, but, if I can't include figures... I must use ``ps2pdf filename.ps''. Has this problem been solved on teTeX-0.9-990416? Marco Pratesi Dpt. of Electronics Engineering University of Rome, Italy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 06:02:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA11993 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:02:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA28027 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:50:01 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28024 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:49:58 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA09364; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:49:34 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <371F0CDF.628A@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:49:51 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pratesi@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: including pdf figures References: <371ED2D8.EF17AD8C@nausicaa.eln.uniroma2.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Marco Pratesi wrote: > firstly, I obtain .ps (or .eps) figures You should stay with eps whenever possible. As for ps, you have to get the boundix box right. > through Xfig-3.2.2 or through > Gnuplot; then I use the epstopdf Perl script to obtain the .pdf figure. > The .pdf figures I obtain are displayed and printed correctly > by Acrobat Reader 3.02 for Linux. Hmm, the only restriction using this approach comes with embedded fonts (they are converted to pixel junk). If you only use the 14 "Acrobat Fonts", then it should work. > Finally, I type the command ``pdflatex filename.tex''. > Apparently, all goes well, but, when I display through > ``acroread filename.pdf''... You did say \usepackage[pdftex]{graphics} instead of \usepackage[dvips]{graphics}, didn't you? (BTW, you can check whether \pdfoutput is defined to load graphics with the right option). > I can include .png figures, but vector graphics is displayed > very badly. How about your ghostscript (used by epstopdf)? I use Aladdin gs 5.50 and a pretty recent teTeX-0.9 beta. Everything worked perfectly >From pdftex 0.13c on (current version is 0.13d). Ah, well, is your format (and pool) file in sync with the pdftex version? Things should work, I suppose. cheers, Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 06:15:32 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA12301 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA28190 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:02:55 -0400 Received: from mx1.camnet.com (mx1.camnet.com [208.145.80.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28187 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:02:54 -0400 From: martin_hosken@SIL.ORG Message-Id: <199904221202.IAA28187@tug.org> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:19:54 -0400 Subject: Re: About Non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 To: hilarycheng@usa.net Cc: pdftex@tug.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >I would like to ask, is PDFTeX Support for non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 ? I want to generate a Form that contains non-English Character. I heard that Acrobat 4.0 is supported. Is that truth ? PDFTeX supports fonts with 256 codes in or less. I.e. PDFTeX is an 8-bit system. Thus if you have a large character set, you will need to split it into a number of fonts. Alternatively, you can use the same font but with a different .enc file, thus making a different 8-bit encoding. PDFTeX then thinks that they are different fonts (and even embeds them as different fonts) when infact they are the same font. Thus PDFTeX has no support for CID fonts and vertical text, etc. Having said this, PDFTeX isn't all that worried about what language it is processing, but you may have to turn off some Englishisms (ligatures, hyphenation, etc.) within TeX, but then you would have to do that in TeX anyway. Summary: PDFTeX does as good a job as TeX on non Roman scripts, and better because it supports TrueType fonts directly :) Martin Hosken From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 13:51:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA25404 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA32055 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:34:09 -0400 Received: from mac.redline.ru (ppp189.redline.ru [195.210.190.189]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA32052 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:34:04 -0400 Received: from monarch (ppp131.redline.ru [195.210.190.131]) by mac.redline.ru (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07108; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:34:35 +0400 Message-ID: <009701be8cf7$1a2b2b00$83bed2c3@monarch> From: "Soloviov Oleg" To: "PDFTeX" , "Heiko Oberdiek" References: <3.0.1.16.19990422120010.35ff321e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: About Non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:32:47 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > If you need pdf strings in PDFDocEncoding, you can convert them with > the LaTeX package hyperref. Look at \pdfstringdef (>= version 6.56). > Please can you explain in details what \pdfstringdef does? ---I use pdfLaTeX and hyperref to produce articles in Russian and all is fine except Bookmarks: pdfLaTeX ignores all Cyrillic letters in them. I've changed the hyperref.sty as follows: -------------- \def\pdfstringdef#1#2{% \begingroup \fontencoding{T2A}\enc@update %% was \fontencoding{PD1}\enc@update \def\add@accent##1##2{% \Hy@GLYPHERR\expandafter\@gobble\string##1+\string##2>% ##2% }% --------------- but nothing's changed. So, is it possible to obtain bookmarks produced by pdfLaTeX looking exactly as Table of contents by LaTeX? Here are cuts from .log files before and after changes in hyperref.sty: ----------- Package hyperref Warning: Glyph not defined in PD1 encoding, (hyperref) removing '\CYRF' on input line 70. ----------- Package hyperref Warning: Token not allowed in a PDFDocEncoded string, (hyperref) removing '\T2A\CYRF' on input line 70. ---------- With the best regards, Oleg Soloviov. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 14:25:59 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA26369 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA32249 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:10:44 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA32246 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:10:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20339 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:09:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: printing once again In-Reply-To: <4898-Tue13Apr1999122746+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I know we've been over variants of this before, but I'm still confused. I'm currently using pdftex Version 3.14159-0.12o-4. I use only standard fonts (Times, etc.) or type 1 (not ttf). I can produce beautiful files that look great on screen in just about any version of Acrobat. I can also print them flawlessly >From my own machine (Acroread 4 for Linux). But I've recently tried sending some of these to a colleague who runs Acrobat 3.0 on win95, and when he prints he gets garbage (on-screen is OK). The printer font seems to default to AvantGarde, even though this is not mentioned in the file (most recently I'm using embedded CMR, but same thing with Times). Any suggestions on what might be wrong (with his setup or mine)? TIA. -- Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 16:08:45 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA29371 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA32651 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:38:21 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA32648 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:38:17 -0400 Received: from remote142-157.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.157] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10aRAY-0000td-00; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:38:03 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990422233747.35ff88e6@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:37:47 +0200 To: "Soloviov Oleg" , "PDFTeX" From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: About Non-English Character for Acrobat 4.0 In-Reply-To: <009701be8cf7$1a2b2b00$83bed2c3@monarch> References: <3.0.1.16.19990422120010.35ff321e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 23:32 22.04.1999 +0400, Soloviov Oleg wrote: >> >> If you need pdf strings in PDFDocEncoding, you can convert them with >> the LaTeX package hyperref. Look at \pdfstringdef (>= version 6.56). >> >Please can you explain in details what \pdfstringdef does? ---I use pdfLaTeX >and hyperref to produce articles in Russian and all is fine except >Bookmarks: pdfLaTeX ignores all Cyrillic letters in them. I've changed the >hyperref.sty as follows: > \fontencoding{T2A}\enc@update %% was \fontencoding{PD1}\enc@update >but nothing's changed. AcrobatReader expects strings on several places to be encoded in the PDFDocEncoding described in the pdf specifications: http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/devrelations/PDFS/TN/PDFSPEC.PDF These places are for example outline entries, annotations, and strings in the Info dictionary. The PDFDocEncoding is a superset of IsoLatin1 and compatible to Unicode in the first 256 characters. So this encoding doesn't contain many, many letters, like Cyrillic, Greek, Asiatic, or Arabic letters. Therefore your change cannot work. >So, is it possible to obtain bookmarks produced by >pdfLaTeX looking exactly as Table of contents by LaTeX? You have several possibilities: 1. For the bookmarks you can specify an replacement string (perhaps in english): a) There is a command \texorpdfstring in hyperref (>=6.56): \section{\texorpdfstring{% Original text with Cyrillic letters for the body and the table of contents}{% Replacement text in English for the outlines% }} b) You can use hypbmsec, available on CTAN: CTAN:macros/latex/contrib/supported/oberdiek/ \section(Replacement text in English for the outlines){% Original text with Cyrillic letters for the body and the table of contents} 2. If you insist on Cyrillic letters then don't use bookmarks, include the table of contents in the body itself, perhaps in the right margin. The Netherlands Hans Hagen and other had made several nice examples, but they use conTeXt instead of LaTeX. Within the text body you have all possibilities of TeX's typesetting like Cyrillic letters, several fonts, math, logos, colors... But with LaTeX you have to do some work by hand, because I don't know a LaTeX package that supports this automatically. Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 20:35:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA06624 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA00543 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:27:04 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00540 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:27:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25836 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:25:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: yet more printing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk OK, I've satisfied myself that the problem I posted earlier is nothing to do with pdftex. The pdf file in question printed fine from AcroRead 3.0 on win95. It got mangled by Acrobat (full commercial version) 3.0 on win95, but I suppose that must be an Adobe bug. Now for a subtler one. Again, it may have nothing at all to do with pdftex. But it's plain weird. A (big) LaTeX file, using Monotype Bulmer fonts. Dvi file looks perfect in Xdvi. Postscript file looks perfect in gv, and prints perfectly. Pdftex-generated pdf file looks perfect in AcroRead 4.0 for Linux, but when printed from AcroRead (same version) to a 1200dpi Lexmark Optra (same place the .ps file went) it looks horrible. It's slightly reduced all over, compared with the .ps printout (maybe about 95-97% of the correct size) and the fonts look less dense and fine than the ps printout. Besides, there's an extremely annoying anomaly: on certain font changes (regular to "expert", e.g.) the printed lines take a jog upwards of a couple of points. I.e. the printed pdf version is just broken. _Portable_ document format, indeed! It seems to be a lottery, what you'll get when you send a pdf file to the printer. (Please excuse, but I spent a few hours on this today.) Allin Cottrell. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 20:52:01 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA07021 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA00603 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:45:30 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00600 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:45:28 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FAM00001FNH0G@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FAM00MA3FNH6U@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: yet more printing In-reply-to: To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >From what I understand, AcroRead 4.0 has two print options: Print as PostScript or Print as Bitmap Graphic. I know how to change these settings on a Mac. Haven't tried it on my Windows box (at work, I'm at home now). I don't have a linux box to try it on. It may be worth a shot... Tom > > OK, I've satisfied myself that the problem I posted earlier is > nothing to do with pdftex. The pdf file in question printed > fine from AcroRead 3.0 on win95. It got mangled by Acrobat > (full commercial version) 3.0 on win95, but I suppose that must > be an Adobe bug. > > Now for a subtler one. Again, it may have nothing at all to do > with pdftex. But it's plain weird. A (big) LaTeX file, using > Monotype Bulmer fonts. Dvi file looks perfect in Xdvi. > Postscript file looks perfect in gv, and prints perfectly. > Pdftex-generated pdf file looks perfect in AcroRead 4.0 for > Linux, but when printed from AcroRead (same version) to a > 1200dpi Lexmark Optra (same place the .ps file went) it looks > horrible. It's slightly reduced all over, compared with the .ps > printout (maybe about 95-97% of the correct size) and the fonts > look less dense and fine than the ps printout. Besides, there's > an extremely annoying anomaly: on certain font changes (regular > to "expert", e.g.) the printed lines take a jog upwards of a > couple of points. I.e. the printed pdf version is just broken. > > _Portable_ document format, indeed! It seems to be a lottery, > what you'll get when you send a pdf file to the printer. > (Please excuse, but I spent a few hours on this today.) > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 22 21:36:39 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA08135 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA00767 for pdftex-list; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:10:06 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00764 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:10:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26450 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:09:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: yet more printing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > From what I understand, AcroRead 4.0 has two print options: > Print as PostScript or Print as Bitmap Graphic. I know how > to change these settings on a Mac. Haven't tried it on my > Windows box (at work, I'm at home now). I don't have a > linux box to try it on. Thanks, I'll look into that. Am I right in supposing that AcroRead has some sort of analog of dvips (but pdfps) built into it, for printing purposes? If so, the quality/reliability of this item compares very unfavorably with the (open source) dvips -- it's a weak link that compromises the attractiveness of pdftex, which in itself is an excellent program. Allin Cottrell. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 00:48:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA13042 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA01616 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:39:07 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA01613 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:39:04 -0400 Received: from max162.public.ox.ac.uk (max162.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.162]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA13879; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:39:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:38:10 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Allin Cottrell cc: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: yet more printing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Allin Cottrell wrote: > On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > > > From what I understand, AcroRead 4.0 has two print options: > > Print as PostScript or Print as Bitmap Graphic. I know how > > to change these settings on a Mac. Haven't tried it on my > > Windows box (at work, I'm at home now). I don't have a > > linux box to try it on. > > Thanks, I'll look into that. Am I right in supposing that > AcroRead has some sort of analog of dvips (but pdfps) built into > it, for printing purposes? If so, the quality/reliability of > this item compares very unfavorably with the (open source) > dvips -- it's a weak link that compromises the attractiveness of > pdftex, which in itself is an excellent program. Whar acroread has is platform-specific. It has a pdf to ps converter (acroexch can be used explicitly for that), and that differs between Unix and Windows, radically (just look at the output). On Windows there was for 3.0x a plug-in upgrade called (I think) ExportPS that did a better job than the default conversion to ps. However, in none of the cases does the postscript look very `clean' or compact. I have not yet printed from acroread 4.0 (because I almost always print PDF on Solaris, and have only just got a working preview for Solaris). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 02:02:23 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA14635 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA01709 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:22:31 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA01706 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:22:24 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17270; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:22:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25657; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:22:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904230722.JAA25657@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex & hz In-Reply-To: <199904201600.SAA03135@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "Apr 20, 99 06:00:33 pm" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:22:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > A few things still unclear to me from the manual. > > If i say > > \font\testfont=putr8t at 8pt stretch 50 shrink 50 step 5 > \efcode`\A=2000 > \efcode`\B=500 > > and there is a line with stretch +45. What happens to A and B ? > > A should be rendered using putrt8t+90, right? But this is forbidden by > the Rule, so it will be putrt8t+50? > > B should be rendered using putrt8t+22.5, but this doesn't exist (or at > least is forbidden by the step value) -> putrt8t+20 (or +25) is used? the stretch ratio for a line (hbox) is calculated as (in thousandths) (required_ratio/1000)*(efcode/1000)*STRETCH required_ratio is the ratio that should be applied to the box to achive that no glue are needed to be stretched. This value is always stripped to -1000..1000 range. STRETCH is the amount given when loading the font. But a glyph in a font cannot be stretched more than the stretchability of the font, so the result of the above expression is always bounded to STRETCH. Let's consider an example: a paragraph with hsize = 100pt contains line box with natural width 98pt and the total stretchability of its glues is 10pt. Thus required_ratio = ((100 - 98)/10)*1000 = 200 > \font\testfont=putr8t at 8pt stretch 50 shrink 50 step 5 > \efcode`\A=2000 > \efcode`\B=500 so for A we have (required_ratio/1000)*(efcode/1000)*STRETCH = (200/1000)*(2000/1000)*50 = 20 thus putr8t+20 at 8pt will be used and for B (required_ratio/1000)*(efcode/1000)*STRETCH = (200/1000)*(500/1000)*50 = 5 thus putr8t+5 at 8pt will be used Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 02:24:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA15134 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA01965 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:08:01 -0400 Received: from linpwd (linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de [134.76.28.202]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA01962 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:07:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:07:42 +0200 Message-Id: <99042310074231@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> From: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: printing once again X-VMS-To: smtp%"pdftex@tug.org" X-VMS-Cc: DALY Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I too have had problems printing pdf files. Rather, people have problems printing my pdf files at other institutes. It was even so that a colleague sent me the PostScript output from his Acrobat Reader which he could not print, but which printed fine >From my printer. But here is another interesting point, regarding a different document and different colleagues. They too could not print the document produced by pdftex 12o; then I went to visit them with the document on a cdrom, and this time it could be printed. It turned out I had regenerated it with pdftex 13c. We managed to find a copy of the older one with pdftex12o, and sure enough, it would no print. That surprised me!! This means the printing problems are not just an Adobe issue. Just thought I would point this out. Patrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Patrick W. Daly Tel. [+49] 5556-979-279 Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie Fax. [+49] 5556-979-240 Max-Planck-Str. 2 D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau Internet: daly@linmpi.mpg.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 02:52:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA15783 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA02040 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:22:08 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA02037 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:22:05 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28349; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:22:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00486; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:22:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904230822.KAA00486@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: yet more printing In-Reply-To: from Allin Cottrell at "Apr 22, 99 10:25:51 pm" To: cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (Allin Cottrell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:22:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > OK, I've satisfied myself that the problem I posted earlier is > nothing to do with pdftex. The pdf file in question printed > fine from AcroRead 3.0 on win95. It got mangled by Acrobat > (full commercial version) 3.0 on win95, but I suppose that must > be an Adobe bug. > > Now for a subtler one. Again, it may have nothing at all to do > with pdftex. But it's plain weird. A (big) LaTeX file, using > Monotype Bulmer fonts. Dvi file looks perfect in Xdvi. > Postscript file looks perfect in gv, and prints perfectly. > Pdftex-generated pdf file looks perfect in AcroRead 4.0 for > Linux, but when printed from AcroRead (same version) to a > 1200dpi Lexmark Optra (same place the .ps file went) it looks > horrible. It's slightly reduced all over, compared with the .ps > printout (maybe about 95-97% of the correct size) and the fonts > look less dense and fine than the ps printout. Besides, there's > an extremely annoying anomaly: on certain font changes (regular > to "expert", e.g.) the printed lines take a jog upwards of a > couple of points. I.e. the printed pdf version is just broken. > > _Portable_ document format, indeed! It seems to be a lottery, > what you'll get when you send a pdf file to the printer. > (Please excuse, but I spent a few hours on this today.) I don't use Windows, but on UNIX printing from Acrobat Reader is rather hard. What I found out useful is pdftops from xpdf distribution, but it cannot handle T3 (pk) and TrueType fonts yet. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 06:10:34 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA20335 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA02864 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:46:48 -0400 Received: from mail-server-1.star.net.uk (mail-server-1.star.net.uk [195.216.16.165]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA02861 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:46:45 -0400 From: david.waller@westsig.co.uk Received: (qmail 14868 invoked from network); 23 Apr 1999 11:45:13 -0000 Received: from mail.btr.plc.uk (HELO netstar.btr.plc.uk) (195.216.17.229) by mail-server-1.star.net.uk with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 11:45:13 -0000 Received: by netstar.btr.plc.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8025675C.00405736 ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:42:46 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: BTR To: pdftex@tug.org Message-ID: <8025675C.00405551.00@netstar.btr.plc.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:14:57 +0100 Subject: Problems with \verb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-VirusChecked: Checked Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have recently upgraded to version .13c of pdflatex and have now found that the \verb command (from latex) appears to be working incorrectly. It did work in a previous version of pdflatex (.12o I think) If you have a line \verb|C:\disc\server\tex| directory then the word directory overwrites the last of the word tex. I am using Windows 95 and acrobat reader 3 still. The fault appears on the display and the printout. Thanks Dave Waller _________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all viruses (including Melissa) by the Star Screening System http://academy.star.co.uk/public/virustats.htm From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 09:07:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25452 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA03737 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:41:50 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03734 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:41:47 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02827; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:41:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA23053; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:46:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:46:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904231446.QAA23053@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche), pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: pdftex & hz In-Reply-To: <199904230722.JAA25657@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199904201600.SAA03135@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199904230722.JAA25657@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: pdftex & hz », Han The Thanh écrit : « » > A few things still unclear to me from the manual. » > » > If i say » > » > \font\testfont=putr8t at 8pt stretch 50 shrink 50 step 5 » > \efcode`\A=2000 » > \efcode`\B=500 » > » > and there is a line with stretch +45. What happens to A and B ? More precisely, what I meant was that the font used with current stretch value for that line is putr8t+45 for chars with \efcode=1000 What is then used for chars with \efcode=2000 or 500 BTW, in my samples, i find it amazing how the grey in the last Minion (\pdfadjustspacing=2/adjustlimit=100/tolerance very low) is good, and how the paragraph is unreadable because of the distortion of letters! It is anyhow almost impossible to see anything on the usefulness of your algorithms on a so short justification, because there are not enough letters on each line. For the demo, I'll make lots of parameters variations on a normal line length. BTW/2 related to an earlier question: the putr8t+40.tfm are really useless as you could do the interpolation computation inside pdftex, it is really only usefull in the case of MM fonts. I realize it is probably hard to maintain 2 parallel things with different methods, but if it was possible to declare \pdfadjustlimit=40 and have at once all used fonts mutable by FontMatrix, the user's life (and disk space) would be easier! I realize that your algo probably was never test against real life situations like lines with font changes (italic/roman, with maybe different shrink/stretch/step values) and maths. I'll try to torture-test it one of these days... Thanks so far, Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 09:31:11 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26381 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA03870 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:17:07 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA03867 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:16:55 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:16:33 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA19589; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:15:20 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:15:19 +0100 (BST) To: Thierry Bouche Cc: Allin Cottrell , pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: yet more printing In-Reply-To: <199904231502.RAA23791@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199904231502.RAA23791@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14112.36428.439995.855739@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry wrote -- > > Well, given that you simply can send PDF files to PS-3 printers, this > only a temporary issue, isn't it? That depends on how good their PDF renderers are, I guess! chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 09:34:30 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26494 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA03772 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:57:04 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03769 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:57:02 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04002; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:57:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA23791; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:02:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:02:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904231502.RAA23791@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Allin Cottrell Cc: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: yet more printing In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » Am I right in supposing that » AcroRead has some sort of analog of dvips (but pdfps) built into » it, for printing purposes? If so, the quality/reliability of » this item compares very unfavorably with the (open source) » dvips -- it's a weak link that compromises the attractiveness of » pdftex, which in itself is an excellent program. Well, given that you simply can send PDF files to PS-3 printers, this only a temporary issue, isn't it? Your scaling probably has to do with acroreader defaulting to Letter paper (it's a pain, and not yet fixed, that you can't save another default in acroread/linux...!). Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 09:51:34 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27056 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA03949 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:25:23 -0400 Received: from csc-sun.math.utah.edu (root@csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03945 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:25:21 -0400 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26149; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA09415; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:13 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX), Electronic Math Journals Discussion List Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x: news and installation details Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Although many of us have been aware of the beta testing and final release of Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x for some platforms, I could find no real pointers to the final details in a quick grep of back issues of my pdftex and emj mail, so I felt that it would be useful to repost this message that I sent out earlier today, especially as some recent pdftex traffic has been about problems with Reader 3.x. I'll be updating relevant Web pages at our site today to try to get the word out to our (human) readers of PDF files. We edit at least two math journals here in my department, and one of them is completely electronic; the difficulties with Reader 3.x have caused us far too much grief and, for me, lost time. >> ... >> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:51:49 -0600 (MDT) >> From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" >> To: all-managers@lists.utah.edu, admin@osl.utah.edu >> Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu >> X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 >> INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT >> 84112-0090, USA" >> X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 >> X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 >> X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe >> Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x: news and installation details >> >> A few weeks ago, Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x was announced for Macintosh >> and Windows platforms. >> >> For those of you unfamiliar with it, Reader is the free utility that >> you need to view PDF (Portable Document Format) files, and to print >> from them. PDF files can be produced from PostScript files using >> Adobe Distiller (available on our campus volume license) or recent >> versions of Aladdin ghostscript, from the PDFWriter pseudo-printer >> device on Macintosh and Microsoft Windows systems, and directly from a >> few other applications, such as pdftex. PDF files can be optimized >> for byte-serving on the Web by Adobe Exchange (part of the commercial >> Adobe Acrobat package, with Distiller). Byte-serving allows the Web >> browser to fetch the PDF file page directory first, and from it, >> Reader can determine what byte ranges the user needs to view a >> particular page, significantly speeding viewing of PDF files on the >> Web. >> >> Unfortunately, I missed the 9-Mar-1999 announcement of beta versions >> for UNIX, but yesterday, stumbled on them, and now have them installed >> on all Mathematics and Physics UNIX systems, plus some Macintosh and >> Microsoft Windows systems. >> >> Importantly for us, Reader 4.x seems to eliminate the severe problems >> that we have been experiencing with printing from Reader 3.0, 3.01, >> and 3.02 for documents produced with (La)TeX: we would see dropped, >> mispositioned, and/or wrong, characters, and frequently, Reader itself >> would catch a segment violation and have to be terminated. Printing >> from Reader was equally unsuccessful; the output was frequently >> useless trash. >> >> You can find downloads in 8 human languages for Windows 3.x, Windows >> 9x, Windows NT, Macintosh, OS/2 Warp, Linux, IBM AIX, SunOS, Solaris, >> SGI IRIX, HP HP-UX, and Digital Unix at >> >> http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html >> >> UNIX users may find it more convenient and faster to grab the files >> from the FTP site at >> >> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/unix/4.x/beta/ >> >> Curiously, the search facility is no longer included in the version >> that is downloadable from the Web or FTP site; you have to buy a >> CD-ROM for $15, but you can make copies of that and redistribute it as >> you like. As of today, the CD-ROM is not yet available; details can >> be found at >> >> http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/cdrom40.html >> >> For Windows and Macintosh platforms, installation is a simple >> click-to-install, select-an-installation-directory, and click-again. >> >> For UNIX systems, it is only a little more involved; here is an >> extract from a message I wrote earlier today. >> >> >> ... >> >> After unpacking the Acrobat Reader 4.x [distribution] in, e.g., >> >> /tmp, there will be a subdirectory with an install script. For >> >> Solaris, for example, you do >> >> >> >> ./SSOLRS.install/INSTALL >> >> >> >> This will display a license agreement, for which you must type >> >> "accept" to continue, and then it will ask where you want it >> >> installed. I pick /usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4. When it completes, >> >> it will delete all files that you unpacked, except for the >> >> ./SSOLRS.install/INSTALL file. The only thing left to do is copy >> >> /usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4/bin/acroread to /usr/local/bin. >> >> >> >> I keep multiple versions around, so I have these: >> >> >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread-3.0 >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread-3.01 >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread-4.0beta >> >> >> >> The first and last are hard links to the same contents. >> >> >> >> The /usr/local/sys tree is shared by all architectures. The >> >> architecture-specific binaries go into subdirectories of this >> >> directory: >> >> >> >> % /usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4/Reader/ >> >> AcroVersion MapTypes.pdf desktop/ mipsirix/ >> >> Acrobat.pdf ReadMe help/ res/ >> >> License.pdf alphaosf/ hppahpux/ sparcsolaris/ >> >> ... >> >> We have versions of the netscape scripts on each of our systems that >> invoke Acrobat Reader in such a way as to run it in a netscape window, >> rather than as a separate application with its own window. They are >> called, e.g., /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape-v4.51+pdf. The companion >> script /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape-v4.51 runs Acrobat Reader in a >> separate window. The only change needed for the netscape-v4.51+pdf >> scripts was to change the adir variable assignment to read >> >> adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4 >> >> matching the directory chosen when Acrobat Reader was installed as >> shown above. >> >> However, because we have up to 8 versions of this script >> (corresponding to different netscape versions) on each of about two >> dozen server machines, I wrote the attached UNIX shell script to >> automate the job. >> >> #! /bin/sh >> # Convert, in place, /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape*+pdf scripts from >> # Acrobat x.y to 4. >> # >> # Usage: >> # convert-netscape-to-acrobat4.sh >> # >> # [23-Apr-1999] >> >> for f in /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape*+pdf >> do >> if test -f $f >> then >> chmod 775 $f >> g=`basename $f` >> sed -e 's@^adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat.*$@adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4@' \ >> -e 's@^adir=/usr/local/share/adobe/Acrobat.*$@adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4@' \ >> < $f > /tmp/$g >> if cmp -s $f /tmp/$g >> then >> rm /tmp/$g >> else >> rm -f $f >> mv /tmp/$g $f >> echo Updated $f >> fi >> chmod 775 $f >> else >> echo Skipping $f : not a regular file >> fi >> done >> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 23 09:07:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25452 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA03737 for pdftex-list; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:41:50 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03734 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:41:47 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02827; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:41:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA23053; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:46:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:46:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904231446.QAA23053@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche), pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: pdftex & hz In-Reply-To: <199904230722.JAA25657@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199904201600.SAA03135@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199904230722.JAA25657@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: pdftex & hz », Han The Thanh écrit : « » > A few things still unclear to me from the manual. » > » > If i say » > » > \font\testfont=putr8t at 8pt stretch 50 shrink 50 step 5 » > \efcode`\A=2000 » > \efcode`\B=500 » > » > and there is a line with stretch +45. What happens to A and B ? More precisely, what I meant was that the font used with current stretch value for that line is putr8t+45 for chars with \efcode=1000 What is then used for chars with \efcode=2000 or 500 BTW, in my samples, i find it amazing how the grey in the last Minion (\pdfadjustspacing=2/adjustlimit=100/tolerance very low) is good, and how the paragraph is unreadable because of the distortion of letters! It is anyhow almost impossible to see anything on the usefulness of your algorithms on a so short justification, because there are not enough letters on each line. For the demo, I'll make lots of parameters variations on a normal line length. BTW/2 related to an earlier question: the putr8t+40.tfm are really useless as you could do the interpolation computation inside pdftex, it is really only usefull in the case of MM fonts. I realize it is probably hard to maintain 2 parallel things with different methods, but if it was possible to declare \pdfadjustlimit=40 and have at once all used fonts mutable by FontMatrix, the user's life (and disk space) would be easier! I realize that your algo probably was never test against real life situations like lines with font changes (italic/roman, with maybe different shrink/stretch/step values) and maths. I'll try to torture-test it one of these days... Thanks so far, Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From "Nelson H. F. Beebe " Fri Apr 23 09:25:16 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26149; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA09415; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:13 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX), Electronic Math Journals Discussion List Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x: news and installation details Message-ID: Although many of us have been aware of the beta testing and final release of Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x for some platforms, I could find no real pointers to the final details in a quick grep of back issues of my pdftex and emj mail, so I felt that it would be useful to repost this message that I sent out earlier today, especially as some recent pdftex traffic has been about problems with Reader 3.x. I'll be updating relevant Web pages at our site today to try to get the word out to our (human) readers of PDF files. We edit at least two math journals here in my department, and one of them is completely electronic; the difficulties with Reader 3.x have caused us far too much grief and, for me, lost time. >> ... >> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:51:49 -0600 (MDT) >> From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" >> To: all-managers@lists.utah.edu, admin@osl.utah.edu >> Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu >> X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 >> INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT >> 84112-0090, USA" >> X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 >> X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 >> X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe >> Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x: news and installation details >> >> A few weeks ago, Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.x was announced for Macintosh >> and Windows platforms. >> >> For those of you unfamiliar with it, Reader is the free utility that >> you need to view PDF (Portable Document Format) files, and to print >> from them. PDF files can be produced from PostScript files using >> Adobe Distiller (available on our campus volume license) or recent >> versions of Aladdin ghostscript, from the PDFWriter pseudo-printer >> device on Macintosh and Microsoft Windows systems, and directly from a >> few other applications, such as pdftex. PDF files can be optimized >> for byte-serving on the Web by Adobe Exchange (part of the commercial >> Adobe Acrobat package, with Distiller). Byte-serving allows the Web >> browser to fetch the PDF file page directory first, and from it, >> Reader can determine what byte ranges the user needs to view a >> particular page, significantly speeding viewing of PDF files on the >> Web. >> >> Unfortunately, I missed the 9-Mar-1999 announcement of beta versions >> for UNIX, but yesterday, stumbled on them, and now have them installed >> on all Mathematics and Physics UNIX systems, plus some Macintosh and >> Microsoft Windows systems. >> >> Importantly for us, Reader 4.x seems to eliminate the severe problems >> that we have been experiencing with printing from Reader 3.0, 3.01, >> and 3.02 for documents produced with (La)TeX: we would see dropped, >> mispositioned, and/or wrong, characters, and frequently, Reader itself >> would catch a segment violation and have to be terminated. Printing >> from Reader was equally unsuccessful; the output was frequently >> useless trash. >> >> You can find downloads in 8 human languages for Windows 3.x, Windows >> 9x, Windows NT, Macintosh, OS/2 Warp, Linux, IBM AIX, SunOS, Solaris, >> SGI IRIX, HP HP-UX, and Digital Unix at >> >> http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html >> >> UNIX users may find it more convenient and faster to grab the files >> from the FTP site at >> >> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/unix/4.x/beta/ >> >> Curiously, the search facility is no longer included in the version >> that is downloadable from the Web or FTP site; you have to buy a >> CD-ROM for $15, but you can make copies of that and redistribute it as >> you like. As of today, the CD-ROM is not yet available; details can >> be found at >> >> http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/cdrom40.html >> >> For Windows and Macintosh platforms, installation is a simple >> click-to-install, select-an-installation-directory, and click-again. >> >> For UNIX systems, it is only a little more involved; here is an >> extract from a message I wrote earlier today. >> >> >> ... >> >> After unpacking the Acrobat Reader 4.x [distribution] in, e.g., >> >> /tmp, there will be a subdirectory with an install script. For >> >> Solaris, for example, you do >> >> >> >> ./SSOLRS.install/INSTALL >> >> >> >> This will display a license agreement, for which you must type >> >> "accept" to continue, and then it will ask where you want it >> >> installed. I pick /usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4. When it completes, >> >> it will delete all files that you unpacked, except for the >> >> ./SSOLRS.install/INSTALL file. The only thing left to do is copy >> >> /usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4/bin/acroread to /usr/local/bin. >> >> >> >> I keep multiple versions around, so I have these: >> >> >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread-3.0 >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread-3.01 >> >> /usr/local/bin/acroread-4.0beta >> >> >> >> The first and last are hard links to the same contents. >> >> >> >> The /usr/local/sys tree is shared by all architectures. The >> >> architecture-specific binaries go into subdirectories of this >> >> directory: >> >> >> >> % /usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4/Reader/ >> >> AcroVersion MapTypes.pdf desktop/ mipsirix/ >> >> Acrobat.pdf ReadMe help/ res/ >> >> License.pdf alphaosf/ hppahpux/ sparcsolaris/ >> >> ... >> >> We have versions of the netscape scripts on each of our systems that >> invoke Acrobat Reader in such a way as to run it in a netscape window, >> rather than as a separate application with its own window. They are >> called, e.g., /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape-v4.51+pdf. The companion >> script /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape-v4.51 runs Acrobat Reader in a >> separate window. The only change needed for the netscape-v4.51+pdf >> scripts was to change the adir variable assignment to read >> >> adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4 >> >> matching the directory chosen when Acrobat Reader was installed as >> shown above. >> >> However, because we have up to 8 versions of this script >> (corresponding to different netscape versions) on each of about two >> dozen server machines, I wrote the attached UNIX shell script to >> automate the job. >> >> #! /bin/sh >> # Convert, in place, /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape*+pdf scripts from >> # Acrobat x.y to 4. >> # >> # Usage: >> # convert-netscape-to-acrobat4.sh >> # >> # [23-Apr-1999] >> >> for f in /usr/local/bin/X11/netscape*+pdf >> do >> if test -f $f >> then >> chmod 775 $f >> g=`basename $f` >> sed -e 's@^adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat.*$@adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4@' \ >> -e 's@^adir=/usr/local/share/adobe/Acrobat.*$@adir=/usr/local/sys/adobe/Acrobat4@' \ >> < $f > /tmp/$g >> if cmp -s $f /tmp/$g >> then >> rm /tmp/$g >> else >> rm -f $f >> mv /tmp/$g $f >> echo Updated $f >> fi >> chmod 775 $f >> else >> echo Skipping $f : not a regular file >> fi >> done >> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 24 04:35:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA01374 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA05962 for pdftex-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:20:57 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA05959 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:20:54 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17474 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00434 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: hanging hyphenchar To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:20:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, it's not related to pdftex, but the experts are on this list, so I've sent my question here. I want to have the hyphen char protruding out the right margin (for hanging typeseting), but I want to have it done in macro level and not in font level. Does anyone know how to do it? Thanks in advance. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 24 07:04:23 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA04228 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA06213 for pdftex-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:46:13 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06210 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:46:11 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02790; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:46:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA07924; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:51:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thierry Bouche Message-Id: <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> from Han The Thanh at "Apr 24, 1999 12:20:52 pm" To: Han The Thanh Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:51:21 +0200 (MET DST) CC: pdfTeX X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL56 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I want to have the hyphen char protruding out the right margin (for hanging > typeseting), but I want to have it done in macro level and not in font level. Not answering your question, it is a surprise to me that typographers do hanging _ponctuation_, whereas TeXies only care with hyphens. BTW, isn't the right feature `optical justification' rather than - keeping the side-bearings of the chars that lie on the margin (yielding ragged margins), - taking no care of italics - hanging few chars that are considered not visually essentials. ? -- Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 24 08:57:49 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA06527 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA06489 for pdftex-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:53:20 -0400 Received: from server2.cybercomm.nl (server2.cybercomm.nl [194.235.113.19]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06486 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:53:19 -0400 Received: from PC709 (poort79-ip-x2.enertel.cybercomm.nl [194.235.118.79]) by server2.cybercomm.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04593; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:53:09 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater Message-ID: <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:53:20 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) To: Thierry Bouche Cc: Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under Emacs 20.3.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "TB" == Thierry Bouche writes: >> I want to have the hyphen char protruding out the right margin >> (for hanging typeseting), but I want to have it done in macro >> level and not in font level. TB> Not answering your question, it is a surprise to me that TB> typographers do hanging _ponctuation_, whereas TeXies only care TB> with hyphens. I don't think that a macro-only solution is possible. TeX inserts a 'discretionary text' when it hyphenates a word, and I think active chars are illegal in them. Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 24 09:35:41 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA07342 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 09:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA06664 for pdftex-list; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:31:38 -0400 Received: from mx1.camnet.com (mx1.camnet.com [208.145.80.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06661 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:31:37 -0400 From: martin_hosken@SIL.ORG Message-Id: <199904241531.LAA06661@tug.org> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:50:55 -0400 Subject: Breaking the 8-bit barrier To: pdftex@tug.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk It is generally recognised that one of the harder aspects of typesetting, and especially TeX, is that of fonts. PDFTeX is no exception. I fell to wondering whether there would be any mileage in the following approach to fonts in PDF which would allow access beyond the 8-bit boundary. If we were to use an identity Type 0 font with an identity mapped CID TrueType font, as the way of storing a TT Font in PDFTeX, then all that we would need to store, for rendering purposes would be the glyph number (accessable via the post table from the .enc). The problem with this is that then you can't search very well since the data is encoded not as 'characters' but as glyphs. But, this is the model that Adobe is pushing, that Postscript (and therfore PDF) is interested in glyphs and not characters, since PDF works with a very simplistic character model. An alternative would be to recode the font so that glyph number matches codepoint number in TeX for searching purposes. This would only cause problems in losing codepoints 0..2 (0 is reserved for the .notdef glyph and the others tend to be reserved for things I can't remember). Of course, the big advantage, is breaking the 8-bit barrier. Greetings from the mad ideas dept. Martin From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 25 02:19:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA00158 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA08525 for pdftex-list; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:16:44 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA08521 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:16:31 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.71]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6CC6; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:16:00 +0200 Message-ID: <372218F4.B411934@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:18:12 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: martin_hosken@SIL.ORG CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Breaking the 8-bit barrier References: <199904241531.LAA06661@tug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk martin_hosken@SIL.ORG wrote: > It is generally recognised that one of the harder aspects of > typesetting, and especially TeX, is that of fonts. PDFTeX is no > exception. I fell to wondering whether there would be any > mileage in the following approach to fonts in PDF which would > allow access beyond the 8-bit boundary. > > If we were to use an identity Type 0 font with an identity > mapped CID TrueType font, as the way of storing a TT Font in > PDFTeX, then all that we would need to store, for rendering > purposes would be the glyph number (accessable via the post > table from the .enc). I fear that printing would become a big problem. There are in PDF provisons for unicode, so maybe its better to look into that direction. (I haven't installed the chinese/japanese alpha versions yet so I could not look into the details of encoding involved there; I suppose chinese people also want to search their documents, although I haven't the faintest idea how they would enter a string) Hans Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 25 02:19:56 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA00161 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA08524 for pdftex-list; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:16:36 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA08518 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:16:30 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.71]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6CB7; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:15:57 +0200 Message-ID: <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:13:07 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taco Hoekwater CC: Thierry Bouche , Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > >>>>> "TB" == Thierry Bouche writes: > > >> I want to have the hyphen char protruding out the right margin > >> (for hanging typeseting), but I want to have it done in macro > >> level and not in font level. > > TB> Not answering your question, it is a surprise to me that > TB> typographers do hanging _ponctuation_, whereas TeXies only care > TB> with hyphens. > > I don't think that a macro-only solution is possible. TeX inserts a > 'discretionary text' when it hyphenates a word, and I think active > chars are illegal in them. Indeed. I would prefer a solution where any character marked as such (by some sort of \?fcode) could hang into whatever margin: \hfcode= 0 no hanging \hfcode= 1 left hanging \hfcode= 2 right hanging \hfcode= 3 both hanging \hfcode=10 duplicated (end and begin line) \hfcode=11 duplicated left hanging \hfcode=12 duplicated right hanging \hfcode=13 duplicated both hanging and probabaly some more Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 25 18:11:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA20800 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA10282 for pdftex-list; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:04:29 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10279 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:04:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA26858 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:04:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: updating pdftex Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I just updated from version 12o to 13d, and I'd like to thank all those whose work made this so smooth. I compiled the new pdftex for Linux; just followed the few instructions in the README and everything configured and compiled perfectly. -- Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 26 03:47:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA04091 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA11610 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:33:41 -0400 Received: from vsb.cz (root@decsys.vsb.cz [158.196.149.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA11607 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 05:33:38 -0400 Received: from vsb.cz (IDENT:lc@ts1-l03.vsb.cz [158.196.91.23]) by vsb.cz (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04067 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:33:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3724869A.8E217A60@vsb.cz> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:30:35 +0000 From: Libor Cudek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: cs, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: PDF and JScript Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I need insert an JScript action using pdfTeX, which executes a code, when is PDF loaded. Is it possible, how can I do that? Thanks! Libor From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 26 10:35:54 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA14832 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA12888 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:19:00 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12885 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:18:54 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29133 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:18:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA28350; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:24:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:24:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904261624.SAA28350@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Images with fonts X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Currently, if I include some pdf image with fonts (the same as the surrounding text), it the fonts are included once for the text, and remain in each included PDF. Even when everything is subsetted, this may yield enormous amounts of redundant data. Moreover, probably due to xpdf lib, the included fonts loose their names and UIDs, so that exchange is not able to reconstruct one unique font. What could be done? making only fontless PDF for images, then taking care of including all needed chars? (seems reasonnable in metapost, rather hard to insure for any EPS!) taking care that every included resource is identified correctly by exchange when optimizing? Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 26 10:42:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA15027 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:42:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA12912 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:23:16 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA12908 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:23:14 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:23:05 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA26930; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:21:47 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:21:46 +0100 (BST) To: Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14116.37327.376385.413235@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco wrote -- > >> I want to have the hyphen char protruding out the right margin > >> (for hanging typeseting), but I want to have it done in macro > >> level and not in font level. > > I don't think that a macro-only solution is possible. I would not disagree with that. But a precise answer would depend on a precisely stated problem. After tackling the really difficult questions posed by Thierry, you need to ask: Which "hyphens" should hang? And is this font-independent? Places "hyphens" come from (primitives only): inserted by hyphenation pass though paragraph explicit - or other "hyphen char" \- (but be careful, in LaTeX this may no longer be the TeX primitive) > TeX inserts a 'discretionary text' when it hyphenates a word, and I > think active chars are illegal in them. The "hyphen" inserted by the hyphenation pass is not a character so it makes no sense to say that it is active. It is a glyph slot in a font. Please note also that TeX does not actually insert the tokens \discretionary ... despite what The Bible may say. What it does is to some extent often similar to the insertion of those tokens. Active characters can occur within \discretionary, even with \noexpand in front of them! But there are restrictions on whaty can occur (and there are some things that will be ignored even if you put them in!). I hope that helps. chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 26 10:51:40 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA15370 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA12989 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:31:11 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA12984 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:31:09 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:30:51 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA26944; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:29:32 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:29:31 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans > > I would prefer a solution where any character marked as such (by some > sort of \?fcode) could hang into whatever margin: I assume that you mean a glyph rather than a character?? Would this be font-indepndent? Does hanging always mean that the box containing the character has width zero? I am not sure if I have undertood "duplicated" correctly. Do you mean that this glyph should be duplicated whenever it would be the last thing (and/or first thing?) in a line; or only when some kind of hyphenation has taken place there? > > and probabaly some more Go on, thrill us all! Why only at the beginning/end of a line? What about at word boundaries, near punctuation ... etc etc! chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 26 10:59:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA15614 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:59:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA13179 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:53:01 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13175 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:52:59 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:52:55 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA26976; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:51:32 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:51:32 +0100 (BST) To: martin_hosken@SIL.ORG Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Breaking the 8-bit barrier In-Reply-To: <199904241531.LAA06661@tug.org> References: <199904241531.LAA06661@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14116.38193.584493.271834@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > The problem with this is that then you can't search very well > since the data is encoded not as 'characters' but as glyphs. One should not be able to search the high-quality typeset text itself, should one? For example, this could never work with scripts that always make greater use of multiple renderings than does English, or when using such super fonts as Poetica, or in maths or in diagrams, or etc etc etc etc. pdf now provides better methods for adding all kinds of processable text information to the document for precisey such purposes. > > But, this is the model that Adobe is pushing, that Postscript > (and therfore PDF) is interested in glyphs and not characters, Adobe getting it right! Wow!! > since PDF works with a very simplistic character model. I do not think that is the major problem; but it has a very simplistic view of fonts and font resources, coupled with a very arcane syntax for font types etc, just to fool us:-). > > An alternative would be to recode the font so that glyph number > matches codepoint number in TeX for searching purposes. Well, I would not like to use TeX as a document format for searching but it is all we have at present in some areas---until the messiahs of XML/MathML gallop to the rescue. > > Greetings from the mad ideas dept. Nice to know there is another member there! chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 26 13:20:35 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA20019 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA13902 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:08:22 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13899 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:08:10 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.138.66]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02863 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:07:37 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 26 Apr 99 20:06:27 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 26 Apr 99 20:06:15 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 26 Apr 99 20:06:09 + 00 Message-ID: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:11:04 +0000 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Fonts included in files. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reading the PDF specification I found that the fonts, instead of being included can be referenced by a font descriptor. They said (Adobe) that this way the file size can be reduced drastically. I wrote a document with pdfLaTeX, and most of the file are just the Adobe Fonts (CMR fonts). How can I make use of the font descriptors (I'm not too worried about appearance but in contents) so the file size is reduced? Another question is that I can't read the pdfTeX manual (probably I am the problem). When I get to a certain page, the Acrobat Reader informs me that the page has no data or other messages ("There was a problem reading this document (109)" and others). Is it my problem? (I tried it in Acrobat Reader for Windows and Linux version 3.0 and beta 4.0 and downloaded twice the manual from pragma-ade web site) Thanks in advance. Sean C. McCarthy. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 26 21:22:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA04657 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA15382 for pdftex-list; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:07:29 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15379 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:07:26 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990427030725.BARQ29499.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com> for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:07:25 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Objects and Images Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:08:08 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <372525a8.719734@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id XAA15380 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible in PDFTeX to reuse an image? What I would like to do is to load an image and put it on every page of document. One way is to create a font but that only works for images that fit in the limitations of a font. This brings up an interesting question point: PDFTeX has added support for some interesting features like \pdfimage, but none of the other tools support this. For example I could create a virtual font, .vpl file, that called out a \special when that font is used to typeset a particular character. Unfortunately I cannot include a \pdfimage command as a command in the .vpl file, since vptovf and vftovp do not support this feature. However there could be a way around this. If PDFTeX supported an alternate syntax for some of the primatives. For example \special{PDFTeX pdfimage {filename}} (ignoring issues about the curly braces) could be made equivilant to \pdfimage{filename}. This would allow pdfimage commands to be placed in a virtual font file via vptovf. If there was an ability to store \pdfimage commands in a .vpl file (either through expanding the functionality of vptovf and vftovp or via enchancing pdftex to process \special command that could be embedded in the vpl) it would be possible to scan in multicolor artwork which could simulate things like "illuminated manuscripts" and such by just using a font. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 01:42:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA10762 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16264 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:17 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16261 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:14 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.103]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6001; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:35:41 +0200 Message-ID: <3724DF68.AE202D25@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:49:28 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: Images with fonts References: <199904261624.SAA28350@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > What could be done? > making only fontless PDF for images, then taking care of including all > needed chars? (seems reasonnable in metapost, rather hard to insure This is indeed what I do when I generate ps files. I parse the mp file (optionally converting color to gray or rgb to cmyk) and move the right glyphs in there. This hack is needed when one uses other drivers than dvips. This font handling is automatically taken care of in context, but I've written an interface to latex too (this module is currently being tested by a latex user). I doubt if it is of much use for dvips users. In pdftex, the glyphs are included only once anyway, because actually tex places the glyphs. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 01:50:27 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA10932 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16277 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:41 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16274 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:40 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.103]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4363; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:36:08 +0200 Message-ID: <3724EEAE.FD5F1A46@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:54:38 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <14116.37327.376385.413235@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > > >> I want to have the hyphen char protruding out the right margin > > >> (for hanging typeseting), but I want to have it done in macro > > >> level and not in font level. > > > > I don't think that a macro-only solution is possible. > > I would not disagree with that. Isn't it wonderful that the tex community agrees on something -) > Active characters can occur within \discretionary, even with \noexpand > in front of them! But there are restrictions on whaty can occur (and > there are some things that will be ignored even if you put them in!). As far as everything becomes characters, boxes and glue it's fine, isn't it? Lucky me that I forgot all the puzzling side effects when fooling around with this primitive. I suppose much has to do with some kind of postponed expansion (well there ar esom more fuzzy ones, \mathchoice). To come back to Thanhs question, I think we can safely conclude that no macro solution is possible. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 01:51:15 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA10937 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16289 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:50 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16286 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:48 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.103]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6DB7; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:36:16 +0200 Message-ID: <37255EFB.EB526203@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:53:47 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > > and probabaly some more > > Go on, thrill us all! Not that thrilling, but how do we honor language specific things? For instance a quotation in a language that does double hyphens (begin/end) inside a paragraph which main language uses one? Tightly binding the \??codes to a font can lead to conflicts with language switches. For practical purposes, in most cases language and font switches are independant, and encoding is sort of tight to fonts. In a more ideal case we would deal with a three dimensional space of language/fonts/encodings combined with a mappings on more flat or one dimensional structures (efficiency, input/output streams, etc). So, concerning pdftex, it would already be a step forwards if we had some control over hanging chars/glyphs and a font/language independant feature would suffice for the moment. But some day, we will have to deal with these issues properly in a wider context (not the package) than hanging only. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 01:52:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA10960 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16269 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:25 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16266 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:23 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.103]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6050; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:35:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3724E1D4.5F9F912@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:59:48 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > > Hans > > > > I would prefer a solution where any character marked as such (by some > > sort of \?fcode) could hang into whatever margin: > > I assume that you mean a glyph rather than a character?? Sure, some \char becoming a glyph. > Would this be font-indepndent? When attached to a font, I'm not sure to what extend it would break tricks using uccodes to convert characters (not glyphs; non typeset stuff but special and alike stuff). For the moment, something \?fcode fits acceptable into the other codes. A more proper method (as suggested by bernd) is ok, but then we should also take care of arbitrary mapping mechanisms (as discussed at the oldenburg meeting). For the moment beyond pdftex; maybe etex; surely nts. > Does hanging always mean that the box containing the character has > width zero? I would be content with that. Otherwise we get typographic fuzzy situations. > I am not sure if I have undertood "duplicated" correctly. a hypen at the end of the line and the beginning of the previous one (czech, russian, etc). > Do you mean that this glyph should be duplicated whenever it would be > the last thing (and/or first thing?) in a line; or only when some kind > of hyphenation has taken place there? only when hyphenated, just like a normal automatically added hyphen. The compound word hyphens can quite well be handled by macros. > > > > and probabaly some more > > Go on, thrill us all! Think of complications: "some quotation with an 'embedded one'" Now what should go into the margin? > Why only at the beginning/end of a line? Well, we're discussing horizontal typesetting. > What about at word boundaries, near punctuation ... etc etc! Indeed, and the funny streched spaces after periods in us english. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 01:52:44 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA10976 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16273 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:32 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16270 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:36:30 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.103]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6D5D; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:35:58 +0200 Message-ID: <3724E4C7.51E4854D@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:12:23 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sean C. McCarthy wrote: > Reading the PDF specification I found that the fonts, instead of being > included can be referenced by a font descriptor. They said (Adobe) that > this way the file size can be reduced drastically. Yes, when the whole world had all the fonts on their systems using the same encodings. Even adobe programs cannot always sort out fonts that are not embedded but on the system > I wrote a document with pdfLaTeX, and most of the file are just the > Adobe > Fonts (CMR fonts). How can I make use of the font descriptors (I'm not CMR fonts are not adobe fonts! And they are not always available. Imagine what can happen with different font subsets. I would not take the risk. > too worried about appearance but in contents) so the file size is > reduced? Not that much. In a bit bigger document the saving is neglectible. Downsampling a 1200 dpi image to 300 dpi saves more. (Or using one digit less precission in pdftex or huge mp graphics). > Another question is that I can't read the pdfTeX manual (probably I am > the problem). When I get to a certain page, the Acrobat Reader informs > me that the page has no data or other messages ("There was a problem > reading this document (109)" and others). Is it my problem? (I tried it > in Acrobat Reader for Windows and Linux version 3.0 and beta 4.0 and > downloaded twice the manual from pragma-ade web site) Hm. No problems here. What error does this number represent? How about gsview? When I've downloaded version d of pdftex (somehow downloading currently is too slow to be comfortable), I'll regenerate the document. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 02:22:27 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA11661 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA16895 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:17:22 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA16890 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:17:19 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03205; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:17:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA08403; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:22:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:22:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904270822.KAA08403@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Objects and Images In-Reply-To: <372525a8.719734@mail> References: <372525a8.719734@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Objects and Images », Jeffrey McArthur écrit : « » Is it possible in PDFTeX to reuse an image? Definitely yes. It's implemented by default in current graphics latex package, and context. Have a look at their code. As regards your \specials in VF, I'm not sure I agree. After all, VF is very DVI related (one could describe it as equivalent to Type 3 fonts in PS context : (almost) any EPS may be a char in a type 3 font, any single-page DVI may be a char in a VF). The more relevant concept of PGC (pdf glyph container) has been developped by Hans and Thanh, which is efficient because it is aware of PDF objects references, etc. I'm not sure however that it has found lots of actual applications. I'm sure you could find some! Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 02:25:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA11716 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA16764 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:11:13 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA16761 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:11:11 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02709 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:11:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA08247; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:16:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:16:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904270816.KAA08247@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. In-Reply-To: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > fonts, instead of being included can be referenced by a font descriptor. More precisely, fonts that may be rendered using Acrobat fonts (All except Symbol and Zapf Dingbats follow StandardEncoding) or by locally installed fonts. This has already been discussed here: a typical entry in pdftex.map putr8r 32 Utopia-Regular ?putr8a.pfb <8r.enc will tell pdftex to build the font descriptor from putr8a.pfb without including it, reencode as 8r, and set font flag to 32 (see the PDF manual). If Utopia is locally installed, it will be used by the reader, if it is not, it will be honestly faked with AdobeSerifMM. As regards CMR, CMMI, CMEX, things are much worse, since most probably acrobat knows nothing about them, not even most of the glyphs they use. So you're completely dependant of the local installation on the reader's part. It may even be unable to take advantage of a local installation of TTF CM fonts when the font descritpor was made for Type 1, and so on. In conclusion, this feature (unembed fonts in PDF) is very usefull for local previewing [similarly, i never imbed PS fonts in my PS files on my linux box, as every PS job goes through gs, where all my fonts are installed, but most of these files would neevr print elsewhere!] because you may control your own installation. It is however not reliable for more widely published files. Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 02:58:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA12420 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA17122 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:35:38 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA17119 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:35:36 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.104]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAFDA; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:35:04 +0200 Message-ID: <372572E4.31ABA520@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:18:44 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Objects and Images References: <372525a8.719734@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > Is it possible in PDFTeX to reuse an image? What I would like to do is to > load an image and put it on every page of document. One way is to create a > font but that only works for images that fit in the limitations of a font. Object reuse is one of the areas where pdf beats dvi, so the answer is yes. > This brings up an interesting question point: PDFTeX has added support for > some interesting features like \pdfimage, but none of the other tools > support this. For example I could create a virtual font, .vpl file, that > called out a \special when that font is used to typeset a particular > character. Unfortunately I cannot include a \pdfimage command as a command > in the .vpl file, since vptovf and vftovp do not support this feature. Are you sure that including a special that inserts an image into glyph works ok in dvips? It would probably mess up the font rendering engine anyway. > However there could be a way around this. If PDFTeX supported an alternate > syntax for some of the primatives. For example \special{PDFTeX pdfimage > {filename}} (ignoring issues about the curly braces) could be made > equivilant to \pdfimage{filename}. This would allow pdfimage commands to be > placed in a virtual font file via vptovf. The problem with these things is that (especially when an object/image) is reused, you need to keep track of object references too. And there is no way to comunnicate between fonts and tex to sort this out. > If there was an ability to store \pdfimage commands in a .vpl file (either > through expanding the functionality of vptovf and vftovp or via enchancing > pdftex to process \special command that could be embedded in the vpl) it > would be possible to scan in multicolor artwork which could simulate things > like "illuminated manuscripts" and such by just using a font. Beware: a font is rendered using a font rendering engine. These normally are very limited! I'm not sure I understand you well. What is it you want to achieve that is not possible currently? The image inclusions permit you to do quite some things. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 04:02:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA13836 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:02:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA18539 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:51:45 -0400 Received: from mx1.camnet.com (mx1.camnet.com [208.145.80.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA18536 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:51:42 -0400 From: martin_hosken@SIL.ORG Message-Id: <199904270951.FAA18536@tug.org> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:42:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Breaking the 8-bit barrier To: pdftex@tug.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear Hans, >I fear that printing would become a big problem. Forgive my ignorance, but why would there be a problem with printing? >There are in PDF provisons for unicode, so maybe its better to look into that direction. (I haven't installed the chinese/japanese alpha versions yet so I could not look into the details of encoding involved there; I suppose chinese people also want to search their documents, although I haven't the faintest idea how they would enter a string) Yes, it is the *how* of Unicode that I am concerned with. Supporting a small subset of languages using pre-existing encodings does not constitute a general Unicode support mechanism, well not in my book. From what I read, there are two ways of supporting Unicode in PDF which can be used in combination. They are both problematic, to say the least. Technique 1. Use a Type 0 font with a cmap. The cmap describes the Unicode mapping to an arbitrary internal encoding (CID), which will later be mapped to the glyph id. Each cmap must contain its own registration information, as though there were only expected to be a few of these. There is none for Unicode, since what do you map the Unicode values too, in a font independent way? Technique 2 This takes whatever the Type 0 font has mapped the encoded data into, and converts it to glyph id (GID). It uses a very inefficient mapping scheme (word array indexed by word CID index). So if you were to make the data -> CID mapping an identity mapping (i.e. the CID is a Unicode codepoint), you would need a 128K array for this mapping (somewhat less efficient than what happens in your average TTF cmap) The only conclusion, therefore, that I can come to, on using such a system (which seems to me to be the only way to break the 8-bit barrier), is to make both mappings (data -> CID and CID -> GID) to be identity mappings and to store the data as being the GID. But, of course, if your definition of Unicode constitutes support for Japanese and Korean, then Adobe has some better mappings predefined. Martin From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 06:41:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA17261 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA19310 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:24:20 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA19307 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:23:04 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.138.66]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17668; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:22:43 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 27 Apr 99 13:21:36 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 27 Apr 99 13:21:25 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 27 Apr 99 13:21:24 + 00 Message-ID: <3725BAFB.5431342C@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:26:19 +0000 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3724E4C7.51E4854D@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi: Hans Hagen wrote: > > I wrote a document with pdfLaTeX, and most of the file are just the > > Adobe > > Fonts (CMR fonts). How can I make use of the font descriptors (I'm not > > CMR fonts are not adobe fonts! And they are not always available. > Imagine what can happen with different font subsets. I would not take > the risk. Sorry about it, but I don't exactly know how to name them (I don't know about fonts so any way I name them would be correct). The actual problem is that I'm only using Times Roman and Courier fonts in the document and no figures or graphics, and both fonts are included with the reader so I would like to make use of them. Exactly what is included in the output file is: .... stream %!PS-AdobeFont-1.1: CMTT10 1.00B %%CreationDate: 1992 Apr 26 10:42:42 % Copyright (C) 1997 American Mathematical Society. All Rights Reserved. 11 dict begin /FontInfo 7 dict dup begin /version (1.00B) readonly def /Notice (Copyright (C) 1997 American Mathematical Society. All Rights Reserved) /FullName (CMTT10) readonly def /FamilyName (Computer Modern) readonly def /Weight (Medium) readonly def /ItalicAngle 0 def /isFixedPitch true def end readonly def /FontName /KVUUWO+CMTT10 def /PaintType 0 def /FontType 1 def /FontMatrix [0.001 0 0 0.001 0 0] readonly def /Encoding 256 array (Continues, the rest is not included) There are 7 of this fonts included, but I don't know why are they included for, if I'm just using two fonts. > > Another question is that I can't read the pdfTeX manual (probably I am > > the problem). When I get to a certain page, the Acrobat Reader informs > > me that the page has no data or other messages ("There was a problem > > reading this document (109)" and others). Is it my problem? (I tried it > > in Acrobat Reader for Windows and Linux version 3.0 and beta 4.0 and > > downloaded twice the manual from pragma-ade web site) > > Hm. No problems here. What error does this number represent? How about > gsview? When I've downloaded version d of pdftex (somehow downloading > currently is too slow to be comfortable), I'll regenerate the document. That's another question, how can I know what error is it. I only have the reader, and I've looked at the acroread manual (the pdf file included with it) and doesn't say anything about it. I tried the gsview 2.2 with ghostscript 5.03 under Windows, but it also fails to render the file (worse since it doesn't display even the first page). Also GV under Linux failed. I'll try the next version. Anyway, I'll try to compile myself the manual from the sources, and if can't get through I'll wait for you to recompile it. Thanks a lot to all of you, for being so patient with people like me... Sean C. McCarthy. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 07:34:28 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA18469 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA19467 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:20:38 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19464 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:20:24 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12484 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:18:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3725BA72.DFDFC102@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:24:02 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: CM TTF fonts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone get the TTF versions on the CM fonts working properly with pdftex + Acrord32 under Win32? e.g. if I do pdftex testfont and generate a table for cmmi10 then some character which actually comes from cmr10 doesn't display. But if generate a table for cmr10 first and then a table for cmmi10 then everything shows up fine. As usual, there is no problem with GSView. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 08:22:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA19778 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19743 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:09:06 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19739 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:09:04 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14854; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:09:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pc709.wkap.nl [194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JAJ85GU0U2001FBM@wkap.nl>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:08:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:08:34 -0400 From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. In-reply-to: <3725BAFB.5431342C@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> To: 6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es Cc: pragma@wxs.nl, pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14117.57602.609058.819473@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3724E4C7.51E4854D@wxs.nl> <3725BAFB.5431342C@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Sean" == Sean C McCarthy <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> writes: Hi Sean, Sean> .... stream %!PS-AdobeFont-1.1: CMTT10 1.00B Sean> %%CreationDate: 1992 Apr 26 10:42:42 % Copyright (C) 1997 Sean> American Mathematical Society. All Rights Reserved. 11 dict Sean> begin /FontInfo 7 dict dup begin /version (1.00B) readonly Sean> def /Notice (Copyright (C) 1997 American Mathematical Sean> Society. All Rights Reserved) Sean> /FullName (CMTT10) readonly This is computer modern typewriter, not Courier! Try viewing the PDF in Reader and then do File -> Document Info -> Fonts -> List All Fonts. I wouldn't be surprised if there are 7 fonts that start with CM: you are most likely not using Times and Courier at all. Are you sure your input file is correct? Greetings, Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 08:34:36 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA20161 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:34:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19763 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:11:29 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19760 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:11:24 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18563; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:08:35 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:14:14 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> CC: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sean C. McCarthy wrote: > > > Another question is that I can't read the pdfTeX manual (probably I am > the problem). When I get to a certain page, the Acrobat Reader informs > me that the page has no data or other messages ("There was a problem > reading this document (109)" and others). Is it my problem? (I tried it > in Acrobat Reader for Windows and Linux version 3.0 and beta 4.0 and > downloaded twice the manual from pragma-ade web site) > > Thanks in advance. Sean C. McCarthy. When I just tried to read the manual on-line the same thing happened, but when I saved it to the disc and then read it it was OK. Perhaps Hans' trickery "optimizing" the file has backfired? Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 09:15:50 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA21337 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA20068 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:53:42 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20064 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:53:36 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17806; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:53:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3725CF6A.CD8@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:53:30 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3724E4C7.51E4854D@wxs.nl> <3725BAFB.5431342C@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sean C. McCarthy wrote: > The actual problem > is that I'm only using Times Roman and Courier fonts in the document and > no figures or graphics, and both fonts are included with the reader so I > would like to make use of them. Exactly what is included in the output > file is: > > .... > stream > %!PS-AdobeFont-1.1: CMTT10 1.00B This is NOT an Adobe font but the Computer Modern font cmtt10 embedded in Type 1 format. (Type 1 however is an Adobe standard.) It is most likely that this font isn't available at all sites that run pdf display software, because cm fonts belong to TeX systems. Therefore, it is a good idea to embedd it in the pdf doc. cheers, Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 09:55:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA22708 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA20456 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:39:49 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20453 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:39:48 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.29]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2B6; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:39:11 +0200 Message-ID: <3725BEA6.9780FBBA@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:41:58 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3724E4C7.51E4854D@wxs.nl> <3725BAFB.5431342C@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sean C. McCarthy wrote: > Sorry about it, but I don't exactly know how to name them (I don't know > about fonts so any way I name them would be correct). The actual problem > is that I'm only using Times Roman and Courier fonts in the document and > no figures or graphics, and both fonts are included with the reader so I > would like to make use of them. Exactly what is included in the output > file is: > %!PS-AdobeFont-1.1: CMTT10 1.00B > There are 7 of this fonts included, but I don't know why are they > included for, if I'm just using two fonts. Look like a bug in you macro package, using cmtt instead of courier. Maybe you can use a dvi version to trace this. >> included with it) and doesn't say anything about it. I tried the gsview > 2.2 with ghostscript 5.03 under Windows, but it also fails to render the Those are pretty old ones. GS is better on pdf nowadays (GV 2.6 and GS 5.50). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 10:02:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA22929 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA20607 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:53:46 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20604 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:53:44 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.116]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA196C; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:53:11 +0200 Message-ID: <3725DD3C.9152C77D@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:52:28 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es>, pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > When I just tried to read the manual on-line the same thing happened, > but when I saved it to the disc and then read it it was OK. > Perhaps Hans' trickery "optimizing" the file has backfired? Goes ok from here. Are you sure pdf files are read as binary and not ascii? In any case, any token creeping in while transmitting will spoil a pdf file (hardcoded object ref tables). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 10:09:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA23242 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA20611 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:53:49 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20608 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:53:47 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.116]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA12D0; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:53:15 +0200 Message-ID: <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:45:16 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es>, pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > When I just tried to read the manual on-line the same thing happened, > but when I saved it to the disc and then read it it was OK. > Perhaps Hans' trickery "optimizing" the file has backfired? There no pdf trickery in the file. Optimizing is done by exchange afterwards, and is only useful if byteserving is supported, otherwise pdf files shouldbe downloaded as a whole. I'm not sure if our internet provider supports byte serving. As soon as I have time, I'll try to read the file over the net. Sorry for the troubles. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 12:56:38 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA14801 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA21502 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:43:29 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21499 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:43:25 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:43:14 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA08063; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:43:12 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:43:11 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: Han The Thanh , pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <3724EEAE.FD5F1A46@wxs.nl> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <14116.37327.376385.413235@fell.open.ac.uk> <3724EEAE.FD5F1A46@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14118.1131.486273.707932@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans wrote -- > > Isn't it wonderful that the tex community agrees on something -) Community? It's only because Sebastian is silent for a while:-). > > > Active characters can occur within \discretionary, even with \noexpand > > in front of them! But there are restrictions on whaty can occur (and > > there are some things that will be ignored even if you put them in!). > > As far as everything becomes characters, boxes and glue it's fine, isn't > it? That's right (or glyphs`-slots as I would say:-). > To come back to Thanhs question, I think we can safely conclude that no > macro solution is possible. Well, not without activetex:-). In fact are we not saying that no soution is possible except what can be done using a font with a hanging-glyph? chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 13:00:01 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA14897 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA21494 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:39:38 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21491 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:39:36 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:39:33 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA08054; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:39:31 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:39:31 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <37255EFB.EB526203@wxs.nl> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <37255EFB.EB526203@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14118.755.45571.412911@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote -- > > Not that thrilling, but how do we honor language specific things? For > instance a quotation in a language that does double hyphens (begin/end) > inside a paragraph which main language uses one? Sure, I agree that things like this are needed. > > Tightly binding the \??codes to a font can lead to conflicts with > language switches. For practical purposes, in most cases language and > font switches are independant, and encoding is sort of tight to fonts. Here I do not entirely agree. There is certainly a lot more to a language chnage than getting the right font but with 8-bit fonts every language needs a particular font encoding (not always its own special one) Thus I have always advocated making a font check part of a language switch (this may not involve a font-change if the current encoding is OK. > In a more ideal case we would deal with a three dimensional space of > language/fonts/encodings combined with a mappings on more flat or one > dimensional structures (efficiency, input/output streams, etc). Oh many, many dimensions: languages have many many facets. chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 13:07:30 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15153 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA21572 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:54:25 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21569 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:54:16 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:54:06 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA08081; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:54:04 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:54:04 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <3724E1D4.5F9F912@wxs.nl> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <3724E1D4.5F9F912@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14118.1449.535605.814431@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans > > Do you mean that this glyph should be duplicated whenever it would be > > the last thing (and/or first thing?) in a line; or only when some kind > > of hyphenation has taken place there? > > only when hyphenated, just like a normal automatically added hyphen. The > compound word hyphens can quite well be handled by macros. In that case yopu do not need any \*code since there is only one glyph involved (in the font's hyphenchar slot). As an etex-level thing that flag could very easily be attached to a language (ah, but that is just where you do not want it ...:-() Interestingly, there is a subtle technical reason why putting into the font is not such a good idea. > > > > > > > and probabaly some more > > > > Go on, thrill us all! > > Think of complications: "some quotation with an 'embedded one'" Now what > should go into the margin? You mean what punctuation gets to hang? It is things like this that make me say: do proper optical justification not this hanging approximation stuff. > > > Why only at the beginning/end of a line? > > Well, we're discussing horizontal typesetting. Yes, which has word ends too. > > > What about at word boundaries, near punctuation ... etc etc! > > Indeed, and the funny streched spaces after periods in us english. Yes, totally weird (but it lets you know when standard TeX/LaTeX typeset something!...just watch those rivers flood ...) chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 17:34:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA23471 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22613 for pdftex-list; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:28:09 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22609 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:28:05 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05505; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:25:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:31:23 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es>, pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > > Robert Howlett wrote: > > > When I just tried to read the manual on-line the same thing happened, > > but when I saved it to the disc and then read it it was OK. > > Perhaps Hans' trickery "optimizing" the file has backfired? > > There no pdf trickery in the file. Optimizing is done by exchange > afterwards, I realize this, but I'm questioning whether it is a good thing to do since I only ever seem to have problems with these pdf files that start displaying before they have completely downloaded. Maybe it's only for things that come very slowly if I try to turn to the next page before the last one has fully arrived. Incidentally, I just looked at the "letter" version of the manual on-line and it was OK, but when trying the "A4" one again I got "this program (acrocrd32) has performed an illegal operation ..." I'm sure there is no problem with the file, because I saved it to the disc yesterday and its OK -- its just seems that Netscape and the Acrord plugin get confused trying to display the thing as it slowly arrives. > and is only useful if byteserving is supported, otherwise > pdf files shouldbe downloaded as a whole. I'm not sure if our internet > provider supports byte serving. As soon as I have time, I'll try to read > the file over the net. Sorry for the troubles. > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 27 22:42:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA01417 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA23622 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:31:47 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA23619 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:31:43 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990428043141.JPZQ29499.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:31:41 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Objects and Images Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:32:23 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <372688db.5815561@mail> References: <372525a8.719734@mail> <372572E4.31ABA520@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <372572E4.31ABA520@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id AAA23620 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:18:44 +0200, you wrote: >> This brings up an interesting question point: PDFTeX has added support for >> some interesting features like \pdfimage, but none of the other tools >> support this. For example I could create a virtual font, .vpl file, that >> called out a \special when that font is used to typeset a particular >> character. Unfortunately I cannot include a \pdfimage command as a command >> in the .vpl file, since vptovf and vftovp do not support this feature. > >Are you sure that including a special that inserts an image into glyph >works ok in dvips? It would probably mess up the font rendering engine >anyway. dvips does support this. It is the same mechanism that allows you to create underlined fonts and so on. In theory any command that can exist in a dvi file can be included in the vf file. >> However there could be a way around this. If PDFTeX supported an alternate >> syntax for some of the primatives. For example \special{PDFTeX pdfimage >> {filename}} (ignoring issues about the curly braces) could be made >> equivilant to \pdfimage{filename}. This would allow pdfimage commands to be >> placed in a virtual font file via vptovf. > >The problem with these things is that (especially when an object/image) >is reused, you need to keep track of object references too. And there is >no way to comunnicate between fonts and tex to sort this out. With TeX it is not a problem since all TeX cares about is the .tfm file. PDFTeX handles some of the features since it can handle a vf file that uses rules to underline characters. There appears to be support for vf files, the only issue is supporting new features that can appear in PDFTeX and not in TeX. >> If there was an ability to store \pdfimage commands in a .vpl file (either >> through expanding the functionality of vptovf and vftovp or via enchancing >> pdftex to process \special command that could be embedded in the vpl) it >> would be possible to scan in multicolor artwork which could simulate things >> like "illuminated manuscripts" and such by just using a font. > >Beware: a font is rendered using a font rendering engine. These normally >are very limited! This is really not an issue. vf files have many uses. You can remap characters at the vf level and not use postscript re-encoding, or do things like letter spacing and such (FontInst makes this relatively simple to do). >I'm not sure I understand you well. What is it you want to achieve that >is not possible currently? The image inclusions permit you to do quite >some things. Perhaps I should explain where I am coming from. Years and years ago, I was responsible for setting up the macros to typeset a book that required color separation. At the time I wrote the macros, using postscript was not an option. I had to do color separations to our Aps 5 typesetters. We purchased the DVIAPS program from ArborText (and made quiet a few enhancements to it). The problem was we needed to do color separations. In those "old days" one way to do that was to play a few trick with virtual fonts. I had four sets of virtual fonts. One for each layer: cyan, magenta, yellow, and black. If a character or graphic was to appear on the cyan layer, then the cyan vf file actually output the character, the other vf files, magenta, yellow, and black, would only move right the width of the character. So the tfm files were identical across layers, but the vfs were different for each layer. The input file was composed one time with TeX, then dvicopy was used to separate out each layer. Then the four dvi files were run through the dviaps program to create the pages for the typesetter. Now, after all these years, I am having to change this system. Our old Aps micro 5 typesetters are finally going away. I have to change the output process to postscript/pdf. Not wanting to recode the whole thing, I had hoped to reuse much of the system that is already in-place. One method that would work with very little change would be to go the TeX-DVI-DviCopy-DVIPS route (which is similar to the TeX-DVI-DviCopy-DVIAPS route we have used for years). That would avoid the entire color separation problem by using dvicopy and multiple vf files. Allowing pdfimage commands into the vf file would allow creating a full color font. That is, each character could be a graphic image that was full color. You can do that right now using TeX, DVIPS, and virtual fonts. TeX only cares about the font metrics. DVIPS will import the vf file which will contain the specials to pull in the graphics. The downside is that each time a graphic is used it will be included in the resulting ps file. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 01:19:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA05418 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA24531 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:05:22 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24528 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:05:16 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02219; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:05:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pc709.wkap.nl [194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JAK7M74VF80019K7@wkap.nl>; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:04:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:04:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. In-reply-to: <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Cc: pragma@wxs.nl, 6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es, pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14118.53026.613196.724573@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Howlett writes: Robert> Hans Hagen wrote: >> Robert Howlett wrote: >> >> > When I just tried to read the manual on-line the same thing >> happened, > but when I saved it to the disc and then read it it >> was OK. > Perhaps Hans' trickery "optimizing" the file has >> backfired? >> >> There no pdf trickery in the file. Optimizing is done by >> exchange afterwards, Robert> I realize this, but I'm questioning whether it is a good Robert> thing to do since I only ever seem to have problems with Robert> these pdf files that start displaying before they have Robert> completely downloaded. Maybe it's only for things that Robert> come very slowly if I try to turn to the next page before Robert> the last one has fully arrived. Incidentally, I just Robert> looked at the "letter" version of the manual on-line and Robert> it was OK, but when trying the "A4" one again I got "this Robert> program (acrocrd32) has performed an illegal operation Robert> ..." I'm sure there is no problem with the file, because Robert> I saved it to the disc yesterday and its OK -- its just Robert> seems that Netscape and the Acrord plugin get confused Robert> trying to display the thing as it slowly arrives. Same for me. Linux Netscape Comm 4.51 && acrobat nppdf.so (version 3.01 and 4.0beta). Both of these combinations respond with "There was a problem with this page: Segmentation Violation Caught"; but only while reading on-line. Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 01:37:44 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA05871 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:37:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA24605 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:20:47 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24602 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:20:45 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02834; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:20:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pc709.wkap.nl [194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JAK86KJ5MQ0019K7@wkap.nl>; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:19:55 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:20:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Objects and Images In-reply-to: <372688db.5815561@mail> To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14118.53965.277965.629860@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <372525a8.719734@mail> <372572E4.31ABA520@wxs.nl> <372688db.5815561@mail> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jeffrey" == Jeffrey McArthur writes: >> I'm not sure I understand you well. What is it you want to >> achieve that is not possible currently? The image inclusions >> permit you to do quite some things. Jeffrey> Perhaps I should explain where I am coming from. Years Jeffrey> and years ago, I was responsible for setting up the Jeffrey> macros to typeset a book that required color separation. Jeffrey> At the time I wrote the macros, using postscript was not Jeffrey> an option. I had to do color separations to our Aps 5 Jeffrey> typesetters. We purchased the DVIAPS program from I suffer from the same problems as Hans: I don't really grasp the problem. As long as you use only cmyk color images and cmyk colors in your document, there is no need to do other pre-flight trickery to get your separations correct: just the composite PDF wil suffice. Therefore, the only reason I can see for the VF-route is that it saves you some harddisk-bytes while adding a lot of complications (what happens if you insert an RGB image into the Cyan VF?). Since generally harddisks are a lot cheaper than working hours, I'd settle for buying a new harddisk. Greetings and good luck, Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 02:49:44 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA07427 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA25212 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:34:06 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA25209 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:34:00 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10cPn4-0003gv-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:33:58 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cPn4-0000Tz-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:33:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <14118.54717.257281.244222@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:32:45 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes ] In-Reply-To: <199904280814.EAA25016@tug.org> References: <199904280814.EAA25016@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by tug.org id EAA25210 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > X-Sender: carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es > To: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: Errors handling some T1 fonts Dear Thanh and pdftex-addicts, I am sending this message again, since the previous copy did not appeared in the list apparently. In case you get it duplicated, please accept my appologies. Trying the SoftKey T1 fonts from the Key Fonts Pro CD-ROM, I found that a number of them (mostly, those containing symbols) do not show up at all in files produced using PDFTEX and viewed with AcrobatReader, whereas when the same file is viewed using GhostScript, the font is visible. Disasembling the defective *.pfb files using t1disasm I found a line like "/BlueValues [20 0 ]". Writing a 0 (or a negative value) instead of the "20" and reassembling the file with t1asm, I obtain fixed *.pfb files that now behave as expected in PDFTEX files displayed or printed via the AcrobatReader. I know nothing about type-1 language, I found this by comparing carefully working and non-working T1 *.pfb files and substituting candidate differences, so I cannot say a word about its meaning. However I wonder if PDFTEX should produce PDF files that work with this *.pfb files or not. I do not know if it is a sort of "bug" in the *.pfb files themselves, or if PDFTEX is failing to handle this otherwise correct *.pfb font files. Thierry Bouche has tested and used extensively these fonts, but he has never reported this failure, that does not seem to happen with ghostscript, and maybe neither with dvips. Maybe he has not tested deffective files with the AR ? Could you have a look Thierry, please ? A relevant example of SoftKey file that shows this failure is insim1.pfb, containing a font named "InsightMathSSi-Extension", which is a clone of the Lucida big math brackets and the like. I may provide a fontinst driver if necessary. Regards, Ricardo. P.S.: a week ago I reported a small bug in the PDFTEX routines handling slanted fonts that prevented from using negative slant values. I hope the report was not lost in the ether. I have not received any reply neither I have seen any reaction in the list. Should I sent it again ? ============================================================== Dr. Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes, Departamento de Bioquímica y Biología Molecular, Universidad de Oviedo, E-33071-Oviedo, Spain. email "carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es" Fax: +34-985103562 or +34-985103157 ============================================================== From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 04:01:26 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA08917 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA26009 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:47:11 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA26006 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:47:08 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09423; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:47:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pc709.wkap.nl [194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JAKDA2OY8Y0017XB@wkap.nl>; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:46:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:46:37 +0000 From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [Ricardo] In-reply-to: <14118.54717.257281.244222@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> To: carmenes@biosun.medicina.uniovi.es Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14118.62749.210942.453620@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199904280814.EAA25016@tug.org> <14118.54717.257281.244222@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Sebastian" == (actually Ricardo) wrote: Sebastian> Disasembling the defective *.pfb files using t1disasm I Sebastian> found a line like "/BlueValues [20 0 ]". Writing a 0 Sebastian> (or a negative value) instead of the "20" and Sebastian> reassembling the file with t1asm, I obtain fixed *.pfb Sebastian> files that now behave as expected in PDFTEX files Sebastian> displayed or printed via the AcrobatReader. >From the Adobe T1 Specs: 5.3 BlueValues The value associated with BlueValues is an array containing an even number of integers taken in pairs, and which follow a small number of rules: - The first integer in each pair is less than or equal to the second integer in that pair. (there are more rules). Sebastian> I know nothing about type-1 language, I found this by Sebastian> comparing carefully working and non-working T1 *.pfb Sebastian> files and substituting candidate differences, so I Sebastian> cannot say a word about its meaning. GhostScript is just trying to be friendly, since the font is obviously wrong. The /BlueValues array contains hinting information, btw. It represents horizontal overshoot zones (in this case, a zone >From 20/1000em downto 0/1000em which is the baseline). If the values would have been sensible, the correct form would have been /BlueValues [0 20] (but it isn't: an overshoot dan actually raises a character is bogus). Sebastian> However I wonder if PDFTEX should produce PDF files Sebastian> that work with this *.pfb files or not. I do not know Sebastian> if it is a sort of "bug" in the *.pfb files themselves, Sebastian> or if PDFTEX is failing to handle this otherwise Sebastian> correct *.pfb font files. This is one of many, many bugs in the SSi fonts. Ever wondered why they are so cheap? Sebastian> A relevant example of SoftKey file that shows this Sebastian> failure is insim1.pfb, containing a font named Sebastian> "InsightMathSSi-Extension", which is a clone of the Sebastian> Lucida big math brackets and the like. I may provide a Sebastian> fontinst driver if necessary. "clone" coming very, very close to the word "rip-off". Greetings, Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 04:16:28 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09240 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA26052 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:00:17 -0400 Received: from jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp (jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp [157.13.51.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26049 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:00:14 -0400 Received: by jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.6W-kfsci) id TAA03439; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:00:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199904281000.TAA03439@jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp> To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Ricardo Snchez Crmenes ] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:32:45 +0000 (GMT)" References: <14118.54717.257281.244222@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:00:05 +0900 From: Akira KAKUTO Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > ... > P.S.: a week ago I reported a small bug in the PDFTEX routines > handling slanted fonts that prevented from using negative slant > values. I hope the report was not lost in the ether. I have not > received any reply neither I have seen any reaction in the list. > Should I sent it again ? That bug was fixed in teTeX-src-0.9-990423. Akira. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 04:22:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09398 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA26181 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:15:00 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26177 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:14:58 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.134]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6A7A; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3726B3F4.C362CBA7@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:08:36 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <3724E1D4.5F9F912@wxs.nl> <14118.1449.535605.814431@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > > Think of complications: "some quotation with an 'embedded one'" Now what > > should go into the margin? > > You mean what punctuation gets to hang? Indeed. One (") or both ('") ? > It is things like this that make me say: do proper optical > justification not this hanging approximation stuff. Yes. Actually there are several ways (typical nts side-track topics): (1) let tex build a page, turn it into a bitmap and let a neural network decide where the ugly parts are (2) show a lot of alternatives and let designers tell what looks ok and what not, i.e. build an expert system. Something for context-2 -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 04:24:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09450 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA26189 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:15:03 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26180 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:15:00 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.134]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAACFF; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:28 +0200 Message-ID: <3726B4C1.16AEFB3E@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:12:01 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es>, pdfTeX mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > the disc yesterday and its OK -- its just seems that Netscape and > the Acrord plugin get confused trying to display the thing as it > slowly arrives. I'm not sure about that. We're on 28k8 and most of our documents are far larger than the pdftex manual, and they all show up ok when I view them >From a distance. Nevertheless, it still puzzles me. Can you view the hz example file that is on the same site? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 04:29:39 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09684 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA26174 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:14:54 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26171 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:14:52 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.134]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAACA2; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:19 +0200 Message-ID: <3726B102.B3D27CA4@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:56:02 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <37255EFB.EB526203@wxs.nl> <14118.755.45571.412911@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > > Tightly binding the \??codes to a font can lead to conflicts with > > language switches. For practical purposes, in most cases language and > > font switches are independant, and encoding is sort of tight to fonts. > > Here I do not entirely agree. There is certainly a lot more to a > language chnage than getting the right font but with 8-bit fonts every > language needs a particular font encoding (not always its own special one) > Thus I have always advocated making a font check part of a language > switch (this may not involve a font-change if the current encoding is OK. Ah, you got me wrong. That's what I meant with more dimensions. For some time now I've been thinking of indeed coupling fonts to languages. The problem is not so much a techical one, but more efficiency. One could easilly end up with redundant fonts (fonts that have >50% overlap). At least all normal ascii characters should come from one font for instance. Maybe virtual fonts can be of help here. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 04:30:15 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09716 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA26190 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:15:05 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26184 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:15:02 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.134]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAD1A; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:14:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3726B9AC.BA99927A@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:33:00 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Objects and Images References: <372525a8.719734@mail> <372572E4.31ABA520@wxs.nl> <372688db.5815561@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > ...... > ...... > Allowing pdfimage commands into the vf file would allow creating a full > color font. That is, each character could be a graphic image that was full Ok I see what you want to do. But using pdfimage is not the right way, because an image is an object, that takes space and time, and there are hard coded limitations in pdf, like the number of those objects, and them mixing up with annoations. Using images (xobjects) would mean that a word of four glyphs ends up in 4 refs (plus some positioning), entries in some dictionaries, etc. It would certainly spoil a lot of things, because they are graphic containers, not sensitive to for instance things like color and font swhitches, etc. I would not be surprised if many macro's using \pdf things interfering with xobjects in fonts would result in failures (in my experience some can be very hard to trace because viewers simply ignore/recorver). What you need is \pdfliteral, because that's the counterpart (not conceptually but in practice) of \special. No need to use image objects at all. I see no harm in using \pdfliteral in fonts, but you would quite certainly need the 'direct' directive there because otherwise positioning is reset/set etc etc etc. Maybe in a very restricted use of xobjects is possible, but only for very special purposes, not for coloring fonts. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 05:25:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA10908 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA27205 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:13:08 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA27199 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:13:04 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:12:02 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA08574; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:11:59 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:11:59 +0100 (BST) To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <3726B102.B3D27CA4@wxs.nl> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <37255EFB.EB526203@wxs.nl> <14118.755.45571.412911@fell.open.ac.uk> <3726B102.B3D27CA4@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14118.60312.736363.379406@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans wrote -- > > Ah, you got me wrong. That's what I meant with more dimensions. For some > time now I've been thinking of indeed coupling fonts to languages. The > problem is not so much a techical one, but more efficiency. One could > easilly end up with redundant fonts (fonts that have >50% overlap). At > least all normal ascii characters should come from one font for > instance. Maybe virtual fonts can be of help here. This is terrible, we're still agreeing! Virtual fonts are the onlly way to do this at present but you still need a new vf for each trivial change. What is needed 9and probably not just for the TeX world) is a well thought-out concept of font-perturbation or fuzzy-font resources: these contain all the information needed for a wide variety of applications of the same basic glyph collection but preserve data-integrity and hence are much more efficnet to handle. I expect those who know the jargon could express all that in terms of a class hierarchy:-). chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 06:13:19 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA11945 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA27896 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:56:00 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27893 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:55:57 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14532; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:55:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pc709.wkap.nl [194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JAKHRPA260001FE3@wkap.nl>; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:55:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:55:21 +0000 From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. In-reply-to: <3726B4C1.16AEFB3E@wxs.nl> To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, 6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es, pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14119.4938.275545.254463@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3726B4C1.16AEFB3E@wxs.nl> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen writes: Hans> Robert Howlett wrote: >> the disc yesterday and its OK -- its just seems that Netscape >> and the Acrord plugin get confused trying to display the thing >> as it slowly arrives. Hans> I'm not sure about that. We're on 28k8 and most of our Hans> documents are far larger than the pdftex manual, and they Hans> all show up ok when I view them from a Hans> distance. Nevertheless, it still puzzles me. Can you view Hans> the hz example file that is on the same site? The letter paper version of the manual also fails for me. It seems related to the fact that there are *two* subsets of LucidaSans Typewriter in the pdftex manual (one for the regular text and one for the image on page 1). It would be interesting to see if the same problem also happens without this picture. My guess is that the Reader tries to fseek() to the wrong subset font, which has not been downloaded yet. The problem is more related to the buggy optimizer in Exchange, I think: all problems go away if I jump to the last page first. I have no problems with the HZ file. Greetings, Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 06:14:44 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA11991 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA28000 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:02:04 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27996 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:01:57 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12090 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:01:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA22523; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:07:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:07:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904281207.OAA22523@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <3726B3F4.C362CBA7@wxs.nl> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <3724E1D4.5F9F912@wxs.nl> <14118.1449.535605.814431@fell.open.ac.uk> <3726B3F4.C362CBA7@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » (1) let tex build a page, turn it into a bitmap and let a neural network » decide where the ugly parts are (2) show a lot of alternatives and let » designers tell what looks ok and what not, i.e. build an expert system. » Something for context-2 -) Anyway, this can't be built upon current tex, because you need to view the character's shapes. I learned that Calamus has the interesting approach of refining the metrics by replacing the mere width info by a stack of horizontal rectangles. Most of hz relies on programs that do some expert jobs concerned with character shapes. TeX with current TFM has no way to improve on these, since it is blind. Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 07:26:09 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA13725 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA28778 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:05:58 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28774 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:05:54 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18994 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:05:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA24696; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:11:39 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:11:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904281311.PAA24696@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Ricardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= ] In-Reply-To: <14118.54717.257281.244222@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <199904280814.EAA25016@tug.org> <14118.54717.257281.244222@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Thierry Bouche has tested and used extensively these fonts, yes, i learned a lot about PS fonts by simply debugging these ones. I've removed all support i had made for them from CTAN long ago, after i read P. King's strange philosophy on comp.fonts. Use at your own risks. Th. PS They're not cheap because they're buggy, they're buggy because they're cheap. The project was probably something like ripping off the adobe library in one night. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 08:06:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA14666 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA29051 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:40:00 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29046 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:39:57 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21143; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:37:08 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37271060.9EDCD48D@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:42:56 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taco Hoekwater CC: pragma@wxs.nl, 6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3726B4C1.16AEFB3E@wxs.nl> <14119.4938.275545.254463@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > >>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen writes: > > Hans> Robert Howlett wrote: > >> the disc yesterday and its OK -- its just seems that Netscape > >> and the Acrord plugin get confused trying to display the thing > >> as it slowly arrives. > > Hans> I'm not sure about that. We're on 28k8 and most of our > Hans> documents are far larger than the pdftex manual, and they > Hans> all show up ok when I view them from a > Hans> distance. Nevertheless, it still puzzles me. Can you view > Hans> the hz example file that is on the same site? > > The letter paper version of the manual also fails for me. It seems > related to the fact that there are *two* subsets of LucidaSans > Typewriter in the pdftex manual (one for the regular text and one for > the image on page 1). It would be interesting to see if the same > problem also happens without this picture. > > My guess is that the Reader tries to fseek() to the wrong subset font, > which has not been downloaded yet. The problem is more related to the > buggy optimizer in Exchange, I think: all problems go away if I jump > to the last page first. > -- ah, yes, reading it backwards works here too! Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 09:12:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA16636 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA29359 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:33:13 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29356 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:33:11 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.44]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1AE2; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <3726F8DB.5BE13C7F@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:02:35 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <37255EFB.EB526203@wxs.nl> <14118.755.45571.412911@fell.open.ac.uk> <3726B102.B3D27CA4@wxs.nl> <14118.60312.736363.379406@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > This is terrible, we're still agreeing! Well, we are discussing the New Macro Package (2020 or so) aren't we? > What is needed 9and probably not just for the TeX world) is a well > thought-out concept of font-perturbation or fuzzy-font resources: these > contain all the information needed for a wide variety of applications > of the same basic glyph collection but preserve data-integrity and > hence are much more efficnet to handle. Indeed. Makes a nice long term objective once unicode is widely supported. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 09:51:13 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18105 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA29581 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:25:48 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29578 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:25:44 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:24:54 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA08730; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:24:50 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:24:48 +0100 (BST) To: Thierry Bouche Cc: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <199904281207.OAA22523@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <3724E1D4.5F9F912@wxs.nl> <14118.1449.535605.814431@fell.open.ac.uk> <3726B3F4.C362CBA7@wxs.nl> <199904281207.OAA22523@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14119.10112.293560.419197@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id LAA29579 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote -- > » (1) let tex build a page, turn it into a bitmap and let a neural network > » decide where the ugly parts are (2) show a lot of alternatives and let > » designers tell what looks ok and what not, i.e. build an expert system. > » Something for context-2 -) > > Anyway, this can't be built upon current tex, because you need to view > the character's shapes. I learned that Calamus has the interesting > approach of refining the metrics by replacing the mere width info by a > stack of horizontal rectangles. Most of hz relies on programs that do > some expert jobs concerned with character shapes. TeX with current TFM > has no way to improve on these, since it is blind. Yes, we are working on that! You also need lots of accent positioning info which is related to but not always the same as, this extended shape info. Are there scripts that kern vertically? But I think that somewhat better margin-justification and word-spacing can be done without any extra tfm info. chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 09:55:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18248 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA29694 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:41:50 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29690 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:41:46 -0400 Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 Apr 99 16:41:41 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by turing.maths.tcd.ie (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA14841 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:41:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:41:41 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Objects and Images Message-ID: <19990428164141.A14171@turing.maths.tcd.ie> References: <372525a8.719734@mail> <372572E4.31ABA520@wxs.nl> <372688db.5815561@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <372688db.5815561@mail>; from Jeffrey McArthur on Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 04:32:23AM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 04:32:23AM +0000, Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > In theory any command that can exist in a dvi > file can be included in the vf file. Except bop/eop ? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 09:59:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18358 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA29702 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:42:31 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29699 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:42:28 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02854 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:42:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA00600; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:48:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:48:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904281548.RAA00600@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdfTeX Subject: Re: hanging hyphenchar In-Reply-To: <14119.10112.293560.419197@fell.open.ac.uk> References: <199904241020.MAA00434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199904241251.OAA07924@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14113.56032.430000.536716@PC709> <372217C3.C7E64C72@wxs.nl> <14116.37541.637431.398419@fell.open.ac.uk> <3724E1D4.5F9F912@wxs.nl> <14118.1449.535605.814431@fell.open.ac.uk> <3726B3F4.C362CBA7@wxs.nl> <199904281207.OAA22523@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14119.10112.293560.419197@fell.open.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » But I think that somewhat better margin-justification and word-spacing » can be done without any extra tfm info. A font designer could at least remove the side-bearings with kerns to boundarychars, yes. In that sense, current TFMs could be enhanced, but that too needs an _eye_! Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 10:46:14 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA19857 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA30316 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:25:42 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA30216 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:17:29 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.138.66]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15354; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:13:46 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 28 Apr 99 17:12:48 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 28 Apr 99 17:12:09 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 28 Apr 99 17:12:05 + 00 Message-ID: <3727428C.15DA1244@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:17:01 +0000 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl, taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3726B4C1.16AEFB3E@wxs.nl> <14119.4938.275545.254463@localhost> <37271060.9EDCD48D@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > > Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > > > >>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen writes: > > > > Hans> Robert Howlett wrote: > > >> the disc yesterday and its OK -- its just seems that Netscape > > >> and the Acrord plugin get confused trying to display the thing > > >> as it slowly arrives. > > > > Hans> I'm not sure about that. We're on 28k8 and most of our > > Hans> documents are far larger than the pdftex manual, and they > > Hans> all show up ok when I view them from a > > Hans> distance. Nevertheless, it still puzzles me. Can you view > > Hans> the hz example file that is on the same site? > > > > The letter paper version of the manual also fails for me. It seems > > related to the fact that there are *two* subsets of LucidaSans > > Typewriter in the pdftex manual (one for the regular text and one for > > the image on page 1). It would be interesting to see if the same > > problem also happens without this picture. > > > > My guess is that the Reader tries to fseek() to the wrong subset font, > > which has not been downloaded yet. The problem is more related to the > > buggy optimizer in Exchange, I think: all problems go away if I jump > > to the last page first. > > > > -- ah, yes, reading it backwards works here too! > > Bob I'm still having problems. I already saved it to disk, and I try to jump to the last page but to no avail. The pages from 11 to 18 (both included) disappear completely. The reader reports a 0x0 mm size for these pages. Also pages 22,23,24 blanks after loading them (first the text appears and then the reader informs me that there was an error opening the file) clears the page. Would it make any difference if someone email me one? Also about the fonts, Taco Hoekwater was right, I wasn't using the Times nor the Courier, the fonts are CMR17, CMBX10, CMR10, CMTI10, CMBX12, CMSY10, CMBXTI10, CMTT10. But what I want to do is just use some of the fonts included with the acroread distribution (the ones included with Adobe Acrobat Reader). Adobe says that those 14 fonts will always be included in their distribution. The actual problem for me is that the file has no graphics or images. I have used \pdfcompresslevel=9 and the file is just 5 pages of text in which I would like to use just the Times-Roman and Courier fonts (just two different fonts). The text just accounts for about 25% of the total file and I have to write other files of the same lenght, but I don't have a lot of space in the hard drive where they are to be published (a MS Windows enviroment with acroread), that's why I want to reduce the size of the files as much as possible. Thanks to everybody in advance. Sean C. McCarthy. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 12:23:07 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA22925 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA31238 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:08:33 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken76.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA31235 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:08:31 -0400 Received: from galiano (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05709; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jody Klymak" To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es>, "Robert Howlett" Cc: Subject: RE: Fonts included in files. Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:07:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01be91a2$0b6cc600$8e605f80@apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3727428C.15DA1244@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Also about the fonts, Taco Hoekwater was right, I wasn't > using the Times > nor the Courier, the fonts are CMR17, CMBX10, CMR10, CMTI10, CMBX12, > CMSY10, CMBXTI10, CMTT10. But what I want to do is just use > some of the > fonts included with the acroread distribution (the ones included with > Adobe Acrobat Reader). Adobe says that those 14 fonts will always be > included in their distribution. Sean, \usepackage{times} should fix your problem if you aren't making equations. LaTeX (and therefore PDFTeX) default to Computer Modern (CM). If you have equations I think you'll need some of the above fonts, though perhaps someone knows of a solution using only the Adobe default fonts. Cheers, Jody From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 28 18:09:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA03377 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA31711 for pdftex-list; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:03:51 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA31708 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:03:50 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.112]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3D37; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:03:17 +0200 Message-ID: <372787E6.BB7A7FA5@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:12:54 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taco Hoekwater CC: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, 6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. References: <3724C858.3A20E858@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <3725C636.460D8052@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3725DB8C.83BAC3BF@wxs.nl> <372648CB.5C323A8C@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3726B4C1.16AEFB3E@wxs.nl> <14119.4938.275545.254463@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > My guess is that the Reader tries to fseek() to the wrong subset font, > which has not been downloaded yet. The problem is more related to the > buggy optimizer in Exchange, I think: all problems go away if I jump > to the last page first. As soon as I got the official version 4 we can see if it does a better job on optimizing. I may not post versions optimized with beta's; a pitty. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 04:32:32 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA17754 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA01698 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:15:15 -0400 Received: from dns.dci.co.ir (IDENT:root@[195.146.32.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01695 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:15:11 -0400 From: Kazemi@www.dci.co.ir Received: from www.dci.co.ir ([195.146.32.3]) by dns.dci.co.ir (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07922 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:01:54 +0330 Message-Id: <199904291031.OAA07922@dns.dci.co.ir> To: pdftex@tug.org Date: 29 Apr 1999 13:38:32 EDT Subject: TEX to PDF ? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there any tools for converting *.tex to *.pdf or *.ps ?? thanks From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 05:04:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA18356 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA02021 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:46:17 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA02018 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:46:15 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18309; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:46:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08434; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:46:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199904291046.MAA08434@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Objects and Images In-Reply-To: <372688db.5815561@mail> from Jeffrey McArthur at "Apr 28, 99 04:32:23 am" To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:46:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Allowing pdfimage commands into the vf file would allow creating a full > color font. That is, each character could be a graphic image that was full > color. You can do that right now using TeX, DVIPS, and virtual fonts. TeX > only cares about the font metrics. DVIPS will import the vf file which will > contain the specials to pull in the graphics. The downside is that each > time a graphic is used it will be included in the resulting ps file. pdftex accepts \special comands with prefix "PDF:", and treats them as they are given with \pdfliteral. However perhaps we need to add a optional keyword to specify direct embedding as with \pdfliteral. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 06:00:55 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA19553 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA02293 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:35:44 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (carmenes@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA02283 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:35:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA01492 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:37:09 +0200 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:37:09 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Bad SoftKey T1 fonts (was Re: Non-member...3) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > >>>>> "Sebastian" (actually Ricardo) wrote: > > Sebastian> Disasembling the defective *.pfb files using t1disasm I > Sebastian> found a line like "/BlueValues [20 0 ]". Writing a 0 > Sebastian> (or a negative value) instead of the "20" and > Sebastian> reassembling the file with t1asm, I obtain fixed *.pfb > Sebastian> files that now behave as expected in PDFTEX files > Sebastian> displayed or printed via the AcrobatReader. > > >From the Adobe T1 Specs: > > 5.3 BlueValues > > The value associated with BlueValues is an array containing an > even number of integers taken in pairs, and which follow a small > number of rules: > > - The first integer in each pair is less than or equal to the second > integer in that pair. > > GhostScript is just trying to be friendly, since the font is > obviously wrong. The /BlueValues array contains hinting information, > btw. It represents horizontal overshoot zones (in this case, a zone > from 20/1000em downto 0/1000em which is the baseline). > > If the values would have been sensible, the correct form would > have been /BlueValues [0 20] (but it isn't: an overshoot dan actually > raises a character is bogus). > > Sebastian> However I wonder if PDFTEX should produce PDF files > Sebastian> that work with this *.pfb files or not. I do not know > Sebastian> if it is a sort of "bug" in the *.pfb files themselves, > Sebastian> or if PDFTEX is failing to handle this otherwise > Sebastian> correct *.pfb font files. In short, the SoftKey fonts are wrong, and PDFTEX is not to blame at all. I am happy to hear this. > > This is one of many, many bugs in the SSi fonts. Ever wondered why > they are so cheap? > > Sebastian> A relevant example of SoftKey file that shows this > Sebastian> failure is insim1.pfb, containing a font named > Sebastian> "InsightMathSSi-Extension", which is a clone of the > Sebastian> Lucida big math brackets and the like. I may provide a > Sebastian> fontinst driver if necessary. > > "clone" coming very, very close to the word "rip-off". Mmmm... > Greetings, Taco > Thank you very much, Ricardo. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 06:38:52 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA20503 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02914 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:26:08 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02906 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:24:38 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.138.66]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23489; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:22:48 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 29 Apr 99 13:21:46 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 29 Apr 99 13:21:11 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 29 Apr 99 13:21:06 + 00 Message-ID: <37285DE9.68F23EF8@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:26:01 +0000 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jody Klymak CC: Robert Howlett , pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl Subject: Thanks for Re: Fonts included in files. References: <000d01be91a2$0b6cc600$8e605f80@apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jody Klymak wrote: > > > Also about the fonts, Taco Hoekwater was right, I wasn't > > using the Times > > nor the Courier, the fonts are CMR17, CMBX10, CMR10, CMTI10, CMBX12, > > CMSY10, CMBXTI10, CMTT10. But what I want to do is just use > > some of the > > fonts included with the acroread distribution (the ones included with > > Adobe Acrobat Reader). Adobe says that those 14 fonts will always be > > included in their distribution. > > Sean, > > \usepackage{times} > should fix your problem if you aren't making equations. LaTeX (and > therefore PDFTeX) default to Computer Modern (CM). If you have > equations I think you'll need some of the above fonts, though perhaps > someone knows of a solution using only the Adobe default fonts. > > Cheers, Jody Thank you all. Finally Hans Hagen sent me the file through email and solved the problems (is it the same file of the web site?). Maybe it was some kind of problem with the network (I'm not using dial-up connection, but university direct connection). Also thanks to Jody, because I'm not using any fancy stuff, just plain text (just two fonts), I'll download it and try it. Thank you all. Sean C. McCarthy. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 06:42:57 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA20577 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02984 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:32:14 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02981 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:32:13 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA17257; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:32:14 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: TEX to PDF ? References: <199904291031.OAA07922@dns.dci.co.ir> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 29 Apr 1999 08:32:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: Kazemi@www.dci.co.ir's message of "29 Apr 1999 13:38:32 EDT" Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Kazemi@www.dci.co.ir writes: > Hi, > > Is there any tools for converting *.tex to *.pdf or *.ps ?? > > thanks Yes. If you have a TeX source file you can use pdftex to produce a .pdf file from it. You can also use regular tex to produce a .dvi file. Once you have the .dvi file, you can use the tool, dvips, to go >From .dvi to .ps. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 07:23:14 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA21498 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA03556 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:13:54 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03553 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:13:52 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03891 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:13:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA22194; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:19:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:19:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904291319.PAA22194@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: [Bounce: member non-submission] Reproduction du message de Marco van de Voort X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: message/rfc822 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <199904290956.LAA20194@silicon.tue.nl> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199904281548.RAA00600@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <14119.10112.293560.419197@fell.open.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 314 From: "Marco van de Voort" To: Thierry Bouche Subject: \pdfoutline Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:54:27 +0100 I'm trying to create a bookmark with (Pdftex distr. with RH 5.2) \pdfoutline goto file {fpchelp.pdf} {List of manuals} This doesn't work Inserting "count 0" before {list of manuals} also doesn't help. Can somebody give me a hint? Marco van de Voort (MarcoV@Stack.nl) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 09:37:03 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25421 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA04249 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:16:01 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA04246 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:15:59 -0400 Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 29 Apr 99 16:15:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by turing.maths.tcd.ie (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA28714 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:15:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:15:57 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Fonts included in files. Message-ID: <19990429161557.A28703@turing.maths.tcd.ie> References: <3727428C.15DA1244@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> <000d01be91a2$0b6cc600$8e605f80@apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000d01be91a2$0b6cc600$8e605f80@apl.washington.edu>; from Jody Klymak on Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 11:07:57AM -0700 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 11:07:57AM -0700, Jody Klymak wrote: > \usepackage{times} > should fix your problem if you aren't making equations. LaTeX (and > therefore PDFTeX) default to Computer Modern (CM). If you have > equations I think you'll need some of the above fonts, though perhaps > someone knows of a solution using only the Adobe default fonts. I think \usepackage{pslatex} does as much as can be done in this direction for both text and maths. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 29 13:56:00 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA03769 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:55:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA04638 for pdftex-list; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:31:25 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA04635 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:31:22 -0400 Received: from remote142-12.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.12] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10cwWg-0000JV-00; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:31:14 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990420212950.25df2cde@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:29:50 +0200 To: "Marco van de Voort" , Thierry Bouche From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: [Bounce: member non-submission] Reproduction du message de Marco van de Voort Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199904291319.PAA22194@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 15:19 29.04.1999 +0200, Thierry Bouche wrote: >From: "Marco van de Voort" > >\pdfoutline goto file {fpchelp.pdf} {List of manuals} > >This doesn't work 1> \pdfoutline 2> user {<<% 3> /S /GoToR 4> /D [99 /XYZ 0 0 0] 5> /F (/D/DOC/PDF/PDFSPEC.PDF) 6> >>} 7> count 0 8> {Open page 100 of pdfspec} 2: The user action can be specified in the argument of the keyword 'user'. The action is an PDF dictionary (<< ... >>) 3: /S (SubType) expects the name of the action, here /GoToR 4: /D (Dest): The array with the page number (0=first page) and the offsets and zoom factors (/FitH, /FitB, ...) 5: /F (File): PDF file specification, here my location of the pdf specification: d:/doc/pdf/pdfspec.pdf 7: The count keyword requires the number of the entries that this outline entry has. 8: Text in the outlines. If you want to use other characters from the PDFDocEncoding and if you use LaTeX, you can use hyperref to convert the string: \usepackage{hyperref}[1999/04/13] % v6.56 \pdfstringdef\x{String with umlauts \"a \"o \"u and accents \'a \'o \'u} \pdfoutline ... {\x} Yours sincerely Heiko PS: URL to the pdf specification with more informations: http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/devrelations/PDFS/TN/PDFSPEC.PDF From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 30 01:58:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA23723 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA06580 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:49:12 -0400 Received: from aida.inet.cz (root@aida.inet.cz [194.196.192.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA06577 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:49:04 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (BigPenguin.inet.cz [194.196.192.10]) by aida.inet.cz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA10830 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:48:17 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01413; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:47:56 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdfTeX-0.13d-tiff X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.7 on Intel, Linux 2.2.7 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-URL-PGP: http://www.inet.cz/~pjanik X-Phone: +420 5 41321276 ext. 171, +420 5 41321251 ext. 17 X-Spam: No unsolicited e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicited e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 From: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik ml.) Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id DAA06578 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have forward-ported the TIFF version. ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/janik/pdftex-0.13d-tiff See Install script to install it. -- Pavel Janík ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 30 02:36:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA24538 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA06797 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:22:45 -0400 Received: from mail1.uni-muenster.de (MAIL1.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.188.91]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA06794 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:22:43 -0400 Received: from [128.176.145.81] (PBIO16.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.145.81]) by mail1.uni-muenster.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA141252 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:22:41 +0200 X-Sender: baumert@pop.uni-muenster.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:23:05 +0930 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Uwe Baumert Subject: Mixing portrait and landscape page layout in pdf Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, is it possible to mix portrait and landscape page layout in pdf? Background: I'm currently preparing my Ph.D. thesis. From the same source I make the printouts using dvips and printing to a PS printer and an online version using pdflatex (0.13d). I have several rotated figures and tables within this document using the "rotating" style sidewaystable and sidewaysfigure environments. In the printed version it is no problem to read these floats just by rotating the paper but I'm not able to rotate the acrobat reader. Instead rotating the sideways* floats within a portrait page layout, it would be great to change the page layout instead. Happy TeXing, Uwe Baumert * Uwe Baumert * * Institute for General Zoology and Genetics * * University of Muenster New Numbers! * * Schlossplatz 5 Tel.: +49 251 8324675 * * D-48149 Muenster, Germany Fax: +49 251 8324723 * From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 30 03:56:34 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA26197 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA07342 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:34:18 -0400 Received: from eugate.ibmmail.com (eugate.ibmmail.com [194.196.143.93] (may be forged)) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA07339 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:34:15 -0400 Received: by eugate.ibmmail.com with SMTP id JAA33496 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:22:15 GMT Received: by LMS01.UNIMAIL.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 3.1) with snapi via CCPRD id 0039000009502103; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:21:29 +0000 From: "P. BRYCE1 (NELEC)" To: Subject: PDF Previewing problem with gs Message-ID: <0039000009502103000002L032*@MHS> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:21:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary=_0.0_=0039000009502103" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk --Boundary=_0.0_=0039000009502103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've got a small problem with the pdf output produced from 'pdflatex', but I don't know whether it is a problem with ghostscript, epstopdf or pdflatex (or my postscript file!). I include a graphic image (.ps) in my pdf file by running it through epstopdf. I then run pdflatex to generate the document pdf= file. If I try to preview this final pdf file with gs, I get the following error: Processing pages 1 through 1. Page 1 Error: /undefined in --get-- Operand stack: 110 585 --dict:1/1-- Im1 --dict:1/1-- Im1 The document views fine with acrobat reader. I want to read it wit= h gs in order to use the 'thumbpdf' package. Do I need a later version of gs? The original '.ps' and the '.pdf' as converted by epstopdf both view fine with gs. The final '.pdf' views fine with acrobat. Versions: tetex-src-0.9-990406.tar.gz This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-13c-2.1 (Web2C 7.3) GNU Ghostscript 4.03 (1998-5-1) epstopdf 2.4 1998/10/22 SunOS liverpool 5.6 Generic_105181-03 sun4m sparc Thanks Paul Bryce | British Energy Generation Ltd | Registered Office Barnett Way | Barnwood Gloucester GL4 3RS | Registered in England and Wales | Registered No 3076445 | This email message and any attachments are confidential | and are intended for the use of the addressee only. 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BRYCE1 (NELEC)" , From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: PDF Previewing problem with gs In-Reply-To: <0039000009502103000002L032*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:21 30.04.1999 +0000, P. BRYCE1 (NELEC) wrote: >[...] > I include a graphic image (.ps) in my pdf file by running it > through epstopdf. I then run pdflatex to generate the document pdf > file. If I try to preview this final pdf file with gs, I get the > following error: >[...] > The document views fine with acrobat reader. I want to read it with > gs in order to use the 'thumbpdf' package. Do I need a later > version of gs? I don't know, which version of gs you use. But I also have problems with version 5.10. Version 5.50 works fine for me. Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 30 10:27:53 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA07034 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11698 for pdftex-list; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:15:09 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11695 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:15:07 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA31180; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:15:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3729D716.5558@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:15:18 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Uwe Baumert CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Mixing portrait and landscape page layout in pdf References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Uwe Baumert wrote: > > Hi, > > is it possible to mix portrait and landscape page layout in pdf? > > Background: I'm currently preparing my Ph.D. thesis. From the same source I > make the printouts using dvips and printing to a PS printer and an online > version using pdflatex (0.13d). I have several rotated figures and tables > within this document using the "rotating" style sidewaystable and > sidewaysfigure environments. In the printed version it is no problem to > read these floats just by rotating the paper but I'm not able to rotate the > acrobat reader. Hmm, I don't now the answer to your question. Just some thoughts: At any rate, on several locations in your document you will end up with code that branches \ifx\pdfoutput\undefined ...\else...\fi Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use the same source for both latex and pdflatex. Sure, you can use some macros but there are many things you have to fiddle with... How about producing a second version of your document, explicitely for pdflatex processing? In this case, you could \usepackage[pdfscreen] which will generate output suitable for viewing on screen (h/w-ratio). Only problem with \pdfscreen is that it only works with standard classes. I, however, use scrbook quite frequently... cheers, Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 1 12:08:49 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA15998 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA02108 for pdftex-list; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:53:44 -0400 Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA02105 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:53:42 -0400 Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10de4L-0002xZ-00; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:00:53 +0100 Received: from gecmdag1.ge.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.97.43] helo=gecmda.ge.ic.ac.uk) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for pdftex@tug.org id 10de4K-0002he-00; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:00:52 +0100 Received: from albertspc by gecmda.ge.ic.ac.uk (5.65v3.2/4.1) id AA22485; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:00:52 +0100 From: "Patrick Alberts" To: Subject: pdf \includegraphics crippled after upgrade to 13d (MiKTeX 1.20a) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:00:51 +0100 Message-Id: <001d01be93fc$8ca3a890$cf61c69b@ge.ic.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I experience a strange problem with the included pdf graphics after I upgraded to MiKTeX 1.20a, which comes with the latest pdftex 13d. Graphics files are now all distorted, mostly black and sheared to the side. Displaying them alone in Acrobat is fine. The files used to work with my old MiKTeX 1.11. They have been generated by the esptopdf script using ghostscript. Is this a known issue, does anyone know a workaround? Thanks, patrick! P.S.: If anyone is interested in having a look at the distorted graphics I could put them on a webpage... -- Patrick Alberts, Royal School of Mines, London "... Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 3 15:50:11 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA01008 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA07283 for pdftex-list; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:30:56 -0400 Received: from godzilla.gilanet.com (gilanet.com [207.66.20.3]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA07280 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 16:30:54 -0400 Received: from [207.66.20.176] by godzilla.gilanet.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.ag4n) with ESMTP id ra477819 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:36:22 -0600 Received: by 176.gilanet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com>; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:49:48 -0600 Message-ID: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> From: Richard Bentley To: "'pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu'" Subject: subscription Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:49:18 -0600 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk A few weeks ago I subscribed to the mailing list at pdftex@tug.org. 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From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 06:47:06 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA23160 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA09213 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 07:18:07 -0400 Received: from Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (IDENT:kelley@Intrusion.Phys.OCEAN.Dal.Ca [129.173.23.147]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09210 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 07:18:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (kelley@localhost) by Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08274 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:26:37 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA: kelley owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:26:37 -0300 (ADT) From: Dan E Kelley To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 May 1999, Richard Bentley wrote: > A few weeks ago I subscribed to the mailing list at pdftex@tug.org. I have > not received anything from them for the past 4 days. Is it possible my > name may have been removed from this list? Please advise. I also subscribed recently (a week or so) and have received nothing and thought my subscription had failed. Perhaps I can use this opportunity to pose a question, which I was reluctant to do before for fear of annoying the group with too much traffic. I have a latex file that uses figures, with commands such as the following \epsfig{file=figures/defn_sketch.pdf,width=\hsize} and I was wondering whether there is some magic trick for including figures. The figure 'defn_sketch.pdf', was created from postscript using Adobe's 'distill' command. (I first tried to do it with the PostScript version of the file, which latex/dvips are happy with, but this produced a pdflatex error.) Acroread can read this figure without problems. It uses Helvetica PostScript fonts in the PostScript file. However, when I use the above-quoted epsfig command, and then run pdflatex on the file, and use acroread to view it, the figure has no text in it, and acroread gives an information dialog box "Could not find the Extended Graphics State named 'GS1'. Indeed, 'gv' also cannot display the output on that page, suffereing an "Unrecoverable error, exit code 1" (apparently, missing a font). All of this suggests to me that the fonts employed in the included figure are not added to the fontlist of the larger pdf output file. Can anyone on this list advise me as to how proceed? FYI: my system is linux/redhat-5.2 with "pdfTeX (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159-0.12h" and the file was distilled on a solaris box with "Acrobat Distiller Command 3.01 for Solaris 2.3 and later (SPARC)" My included figure uses Helvetica font, and my document proper uses Times font. Dan E. Kelley internet: mailto:Dan.Kelley@Dal.CA Oceanography Department phone: (902)494-1694 Dalhousie University fax: (902)494-2885 Halifax, NS, CANADA, B3H 4J1 http://www.phys.ocean.dal.ca/~kelley From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 07:28:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA24230 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 07:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA09366 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:09:59 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09363 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:09:57 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20971; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:17:11 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <372EF362.9A@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:17:22 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan E Kelley CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dan E Kelley wrote: > I have a latex file that uses figures, with commands such as the following > > \epsfig{file=figures/defn_sketch.pdf,width=\hsize} I don't know what exactly went wrong here. However, as for including graphics, the common way to do so is nowadays to \usepackage{graphic(x)s}. Usage of any other stuff is now more or less depreciated. In fact, I am not sure if something as old as epsfig has actually been fitted with a pdf driver. regards, Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 08:14:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25415 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA09667 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:49:47 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA09664 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:49:41 -0400 Received: from remote142-164.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.164] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10effy-0004mT-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:55:59 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:54:25 +0200 To: Dan E Kelley , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:26 04.05.1999 -0300, Dan E Kelley wrote: > \epsfig{file=figures/defn_sketch.pdf,width=\hsize} * The recommended way including figures is to use the command \includegraphics from the graphic{s,x} package that comes with LaTeX. * \hsize is plain-TeX, within LaTeX you can use \linewidth \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} \includegraphics[width=\linewidth]{figures/defn_sketch.pdf} > "pdfTeX (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159-0.12h" A very old version to include pdf files, update to 0.13d. (With the 0.13 versions you also need the current graphics package, especially pdftex.def v0.02l.) Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 09:21:06 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27452 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA10111 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:02:35 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10108 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:02:33 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10egpU-0006Iz-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:09:52 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10egpU-0007Lx-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:09:52 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14127.7053.680153.2007@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:08:45 +0000 (GMT) To: kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dan E Kelley writes: > I have a latex file that uses figures, with commands such as the following > > \epsfig{file=figures/defn_sketch.pdf,width=\hsize} > > and I was wondering whether there is some magic trick for including if this epsfig is merely the wrapper around `graphicx', then what you are doing should work > PostScript file. However, when I use the above-quoted epsfig command, > and then run pdflatex on the file, and use acroread to view it, the > figure has no text in it, and acroread gives an information dialog box > "Could not find the Extended Graphics State named 'GS1'. Indeed, 'gv' > also cannot display the output on that page, suffereing an > "Unrecoverable error, exit code 1" (apparently, missing a font). > > All of this suggests to me that the fonts employed in the included > figure are not added to the fontlist of the larger pdf output file. did you tell Distiller to embed fonts? what version of pdftex? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 09:27:57 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27672 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:27:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA10126 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:03:32 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10123 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:03:29 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats [163.1.20.20]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA15038; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:11:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905041511.QAA15038@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:11:26 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian Ripley Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) To: pdftex@tug.org, kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA Cc: Frank Boehme MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: ppRXtvDMHGbiuj2c1WPLlg== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:26:37 -0300 (ADT) > From: Dan E Kelley > > I have a latex file that uses figures, with commands such as the following > > \epsfig{file=figures/defn_sketch.pdf,width=\hsize} > > and I was wondering whether there is some magic trick for including > figures. The figure 'defn_sketch.pdf', was created from postscript > using Adobe's 'distill' command. (I first tried to do it with the > PostScript version of the file, which latex/dvips are happy with, but > this produced a pdflatex error.) Acroread can read this figure > without problems. It uses Helvetica PostScript fonts in the > PostScript file. However, when I use the above-quoted epsfig command, > and then run pdflatex on the file, and use acroread to view it, the > figure has no text in it, and acroread gives an information dialog box > "Could not find the Extended Graphics State named 'GS1'. Indeed, 'gv' > also cannot display the output on that page, suffereing an > "Unrecoverable error, exit code 1" (apparently, missing a font). > > All of this suggests to me that the fonts employed in the included > figure are not added to the fontlist of the larger pdf output file. > > Can anyone on this list advise me as to how proceed? > > FYI: my system is linux/redhat-5.2 with > "pdfTeX (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159-0.12h" That is I think your problem: that is (in pdftex terms) a very old version. I think you need at least about 0.12n (we are now on about -0.13d) to include pdf files including fonts, as well as the corresponding support files and pdftex.def from the graphics package. > and the file was distilled on a solaris box with > "Acrobat Distiller Command 3.01 for Solaris 2.3 and later (SPARC)" > My included figure uses Helvetica font, and my document proper uses > Times font. > From: Frank Boehme > > I don't know what exactly went wrong here. However, as for including > graphics, the common way to do so is nowadays to \usepackage{graphic(x)s}. > Usage of any other stuff is now more or less depreciated. In fact, I > am not sure if something as old as epsfig has actually been fitted with > a pdf driver. Yes, epsfig is deprecated, but it is a wrapper for graphicx these days. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 08:56:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA26714 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA09898 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:32:15 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09895 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:32:11 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10egM6-0002dC-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:39:30 +0100 Received: from rahtz by ermine.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10egM5-000598-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:39:29 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14127.1697.726489.798755@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:39:29 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org, dafydd@dial.pipex.com Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["David John Evans" ] In-Reply-To: <199905041045.GAA09165@tug.org> References: <199905041045.GAA09165@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I am experimenting with pdflatex and want to create a document with = > graphical headers and footers (in png format). Is this possible? If so = > I'd be grateful for any examples on how to do this. > do it the same wa y as with ordinary LaTeX, ie put \includegraphic calls in the header and footer. th only difference is that pdftex will only load the graphic once, but use it many times look at the fancyhdr package for ideas about headers and footers sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 10:05:56 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA29053 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA10492 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:41:14 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10487 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:41:11 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA10222; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:48:30 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 04 May 1999 11:48:30 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek writes: > * The recommended way including figures is to use the command > \includegraphics from the graphic{s,x} package that comes with LaTeX. I replied to Frank Boehme earlier, but forgot to post to the group, but the same question applies to this post, with "includegraphics" substituted for "usepackage": But \usepackage is a LaTeX thing, right? I have always used plain TeX and eplain. pdftex works great with all my TeX code, but I haven't heard of anyone doing graphics in pdftex with anything but LaTeX commands. I did find some wrappers that were supposed to allow a person to use LaTeX graphics features in plain TeX code, but they were untested, and the author, David Carlisle, did not respond when I attempted to contact him. Frank Boehme gave a very understanding reply and suggested that I try reading the docs so that I can use the low level features like \pdfimage. example.tex shows \pdfimage being used to include .png graphics images, but I have to include eps graphics. The manual says that to include eps you have to convert into pdf and then include the pdf, but the FAQ says that you must use LaTeX to include pdf. Is that right? Doesn't pdftex support tex too? Is there other documentation that covers how to include graphics, especially encapsulated postscript, in pdftex documents without using LaTeX? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 10:56:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00766 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA10829 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:34:20 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10826 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:34:18 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA19567; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:41:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <372F2346.762F@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:41:42 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ed L. Cashin" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin wrote: > > example.tex shows \pdfimage being used to include .png graphics > images, but I have to include eps graphics. The manual says that to > include eps you have to convert into pdf and then include the pdf, but > the FAQ says that you must use LaTeX to include pdf. Is that right? > Doesn't pdftex support tex too? You should use epstopdf to convert to pdf. Do not use eps2pdf, which produces bad results. I can not think of any reason why \pdfimage should be happy with png but not with pdf. BTW, you should only use standard PS fonts in your eps file rather than type1 cm such as Bakoma or Bluesky. regards, Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 11:02:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA01029 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA10889 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:40:53 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10878 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:40:19 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id RAA24130; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:44:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:44:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905041644.RAA24130@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (ecashin@coe.uga.edu) Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk but they were untested, and the author, David Carlisle, did not respond when I attempted to contact him. I get a lot of mail butso I may just have accidentally dropped your message, but I don't actually remember one from you, did you get a bounce? The plain tex graphics wrappers apparently work although I don't use them myself. As a matter of interest why do you want to use such a basic `starter example' set of macros like plain, which is what is making things difficult, rather than a macro set such as latex or context that is designed for producing documents? However in this case there is not really a lot more that can be said about including images at the level of plain tex. As long as your pdftex is new enough, you just convert your eps file to pdf and then use \pdfimage{filename}. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 11:34:01 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA02064 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11155 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:13:50 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11152 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:13:48 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13980; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:21:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA13453; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:27:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:27:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905041727.TAA13453@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » I did find some wrappers that were supposed to allow a person to use » LaTeX graphics features in plain TeX code, but they were untested, and » the author, David Carlisle, did not respond when I attempted to » contact him. yes indeed, they _are_ tested, i use them quite often. For use in plain, i simply had to put this in graphics.cfg: \DeclareOption{pdftex}{\def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def}} \ExecuteOptions{pdftex} \def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def} I also modified 2 things in pdftex.def: % Are we running under PDFTeX?--hmm PdfLaTex... \ifx\pdfpageheight\@undefined \PackageWarningNoLine\@currname {pdftex option does not work with standard TeX} \else % \pdfpageheight\paperheight % \pdfpagewidth\paperwidth \pdfoutput=1 \fi % v0.02e: Restore catcodes of context letters. % Not needed with current version of supp-pdf % but protects against older versions. %\AtBeginDocument{% % \edef\@tempa{% % \catcode`\noexpand\!\the\catcode`\! % \catcode`\noexpand\@\the\catcode`\@ % \catcode`\noexpand\?\the\catcode`\? }% % \InputIfFileExists{supp-pdf}{}{}% % \@tempa} et voilà. Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 11:42:56 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA02336 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11242 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:22:52 -0400 Received: from Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (IDENT:kelley@Intrusion.Phys.OCEAN.Dal.Ca [129.173.23.147]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11239 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:22:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (kelley@localhost) by Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08683 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:31:23 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA: kelley owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:31:23 -0300 (ADT) From: Dan E Kelley To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <199905041511.QAA15038@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, and thanks to the many people who gave advice. I changed to using \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} ... \includegraphics[width=\linewidth]{figures/defn_sketch.pdf} and I'm now making a little more progress, but not a lot more :-) The defn_sketch.ps file uses PalatinoRoman font as well as Helvetica, but I would have thought this not to be a difficulty since I've asked that it embed the fonts. PROBLEM 1: I get grayed-out space where the text should be, if I use PalatinoRoman font in the ps file. I can avoid that by changing my graphics files, if I really must, but I find it perplexing since acroread can show me the graphics file, with nice fonts, and without difficulty ... but when that graphics is included in a latex document, I get grayed-out areas where graphics-text should be. PROBLEM 2: It seems that the geometry of the graphics files isn't understood, or scanned, by pdflatex (or by \includegraphics). 'latex' checks for bounding boxes (or template boxes, not sure which -- same in my appliation anyhow), and then uses that information in its processing. However, I've seen that my pdflatex scheme does not do this, and, reading my pdf-based figure files (made from 'distill') I see the only 'box' command is set to full U.S. letter size. Q1: how to make distill create a file with appropriate bounding box? Q2: must I change my graphics files to use only builtin (e.g. Helvetica) fonts, or should the 'embed' (or other option) to 'distill' handle this for me? My system setup is: OS: linux/redhat-5.2 with pdflatex vsn: (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159-0.12h distill vsn: Acrobat Distiller Command 3.01 for Solaris 2.3 and later (SPARC) distill cmd: distill -embedallfonts on -compresstext off defn_sketch.ps Dan E. Kelley internet: mailto:Dan.Kelley@Dal.CA Oceanography Department phone: (902)494-1694 Dalhousie University fax: (902)494-2885 Halifax, NS, CANADA, B3H 4J1 http://www.phys.ocean.dal.ca/~kelley From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 12:29:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA03889 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA11587 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:04:54 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11578 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:04:36 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id TAA14080; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:09:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:09:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905041809.TAA14080@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (ecashin@coe.uga.edu) Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041644.RAA24130@nag.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > you need pdfLaTeX 0.12n or that is a typo. the version number refers to pdftex. > My version (0.10) sa that's way way too old:-) David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 12:32:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA03958 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA11650 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:12:04 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11646 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:11:55 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA11149; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:14:35 -0400 To: Thierry Bouche Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041727.TAA13453@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 04 May 1999 14:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id NAA11648 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > » I did find some wrappers that were supposed to allow a person to use > » LaTeX graphics features in plain TeX code, but they were untested, and > » the author, David Carlisle, did not respond when I attempted to > » contact him. > > yes indeed, they _are_ tested, i use them quite often. Well, that is good news. > For use in plain, i simply had to put this in graphics.cfg: > > \DeclareOption{pdftex}{\def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def}} > \ExecuteOptions{pdftex} > \def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def} > > I also modified 2 things in pdftex.def: > > % Are we running under PDFTeX?--hmm PdfLaTex... > \ifx\pdfpageheight\@undefined [...] I don't follow what your code is doing. I am using the teTeX 0.9 distribution, and I don't know very much about its internals. Do you think your code could just drop right into the current pdftex.def and graphics.cfg? I wonder what the best way to learn about the purpose of those files and the code in them is. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 12:35:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA04049 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11513 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:59:22 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11510 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:59:15 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA11083; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:04:58 -0400 To: David Carlisle CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041644.RAA24130@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 04 May 1999 14:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 54 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle writes: > but they were untested, and > the author, David Carlisle, did not respond when I attempted to > contact him. > > I get a lot of mail butso I may just have accidentally dropped your > message, but I don't actually remember one from you, did you > get a bounce? No, but it was quite a long time ago...maybe November 1998. > The plain tex graphics wrappers apparently work although I don't use > them myself. > > As a matter of interest why do you want to use such a basic `starter > example' set of macros like plain, which is what is making things > difficult, rather than a macro set such as latex or context that is > designed for producing documents? That is a good question. I hear a lot of people say that using tex is more difficult than using latex, but I've found latex to be more difficult than tex. There are a couple of reasons. One is that I produce short documents where I need a lot of nit-picking control over layout. Sure, I use it for letters, but more often, I'm using it for resumes, wedding programs, forms for the college dean that have to look just so ... I tried latex before I tried tex, and I just couldn't figure out how to get it to do what I wanted. Another major reason is that I like the TeXbook. I enjoyed reading it. But I haven't found a latex book that I enjoy reading, nor have I found comprehensive online documentation for latex. > However in this case there is not really a lot more that can be said > about including images at the level of plain tex. As long as your pdftex > is new enough, you just convert your eps file to pdf and then use > \pdfimage{filename}. Oh. Well, that is great. It should probably be mentioned in the FAQ. My version (0.10) says explicitly that you need latex to do it: 5.2.1 How do I include PDF pictures? In order to include PDF pictures you need pdfLaTeX 0.12n or later. Make sure that the PDF figure is properly cropped. See Question 5.2.3 for how to do this for EPS files. [FIXME: How do you get Distiller to do this?] Then follow the steps outlined -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 14:10:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA06783 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA12696 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:58:01 -0400 Received: from gregal.xtec.es (gregal.xtec.es [193.145.88.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12693 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:57:59 -0400 Received: from pie.xtec.es (BE-202-BARC-X14.red.retevision.es [62.81.70.202]) by gregal.xtec.es (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08092 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 22:04:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <372F51E2.609066BD@pie.xtec.es> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:00:36 +0200 From: Carles Romero Reply-To: cromero@pie.xtec.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ca MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Launching Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi I'm using 0.12r version & AA Reader 3.01 I'm trying to launch an application (MS Windows notepad.exe for instance) but I'm trouble with keys. I tried \pdfannotlink attr{/C [0.8 0.9 0.4] /Border [0 0 2] user{ ???????? (/c/windows.notepad.exe)} some text \pdfendlink without success. I'm confused about what stuff into user{} is required. I read "Action" section in PDF Reference Manual 1.2, but I was not able to get te correct syntax. Anyone can help me? Carles Romero IES "Manuel Blancafort" 08530 La Garriga, Catalonia, Spain Tel.: +34 938715503, Fax: +34 938716060 http://www.xtec.es/~cromero/index0.htm From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 14:22:33 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA07146 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:22:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA12763 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:09:14 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12760 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:09:12 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11974; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:16:13 -0400 To: David Carlisle Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041644.RAA24130@nag.co.uk> <199905041809.TAA14080@nag.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 04 May 1999 16:16:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: David Carlisle's message of "Tue, 4 May 1999 19:09:58 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle writes: > > you need pdfLaTeX 0.12n or > > that is a typo. the version number refers to pdftex. > > > My version (0.10) sa > that's way way too old:-) I did not see any way to get from www.tug.org to the pdftex FAQ, and the link in my version of the FAQ points to http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdfTeX-FAQ.pdf ... which is the same version (0.10). Is there another location with a more recent version of the FAQ? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 14:40:06 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA07663 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA12878 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:24:40 -0400 Received: from Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (IDENT:kelley@Intrusion.Phys.OCEAN.Dal.Ca [129.173.23.147]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12875 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:24:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (kelley@localhost) by Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08966; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:56 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA: kelley owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:56 -0300 (ADT) From: Dan E Kelley To: Frank Boehme cc: "Ed L. Cashin" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <372F2346.762F@cs.ucc.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 May 1999, Frank Boehme wrote: > You should use epstopdf to convert to pdf. Thanks, that's wonderful. (I've been transfering files to a machine on which we have 'distill', but I don't have it on my linux box, so this is great.) Q: is there a version of epstopdf that obeys bounding boxes specified "(atend)", i.e. at the end of the file? I noticed that the version at http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf doesn't properly handle bounding-boxes at the end; it gives a mediabox that is wrongly the full pagesize. Dan E. Kelley internet: mailto:Dan.Kelley@Dal.CA Oceanography Department phone: (902)494-1694 Dalhousie University fax: (902)494-2885 Halifax, NS, CANADA, B3H 4J1 http://www.phys.ocean.dal.ca/~kelley From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 15:26:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA09125 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13301 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:04:01 -0400 Received: from babbage.csee.usf.edu (root@babbage.csee.usf.edu [131.247.3.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13298 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:03:59 -0400 Received: from grad (gohel@grad [131.247.3.1]) by babbage.csee.usf.edu (8.8.8/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA06819 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905042111.RAA06819@babbage.csee.usf.edu> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Himanshu Gohel Reply-To: Himanshu Gohel Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) To: pdftex@tug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: KuusqxRmux1sNg4J2sAocA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk -=>From: Dan E Kelley -=>Q: is there a version of epstopdf that obeys bounding boxes specified -=>"(atend)", i.e. at the end of the file? I noticed that the version at -=> http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf -=>doesn't properly handle bounding-boxes at the end; it gives a mediabox -=>that is wrongly the full pagesize. Until a new version is available, it is easy to fix this problem by simply moving the actual %%BoundingBox line from the end to replace the line in the beginning that says (atend). -- Himanshu Gohel, Gohel@csee.usf.edu WEB URL: http://www.csee.usf.edu/~gohel/ University of South Florida, Tampa, FL. USA. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 15:32:48 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA09310 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13397 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:21:14 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13394 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:21:12 -0400 Received: from remote142-32.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.32] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10emju-0002oA-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:28:32 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990504232815.37df3f3a@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:28:15 +0200 To: cromero@pie.xtec.es, pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Launching In-Reply-To: <372F51E2.609066BD@pie.xtec.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 22:00 04.05.1999 +0200, Carles Romero wrote: >I'm trying to launch an application (MS Windows notepad.exe for >instance) but I'm trouble with keys. I tried > >\pdfannotlink attr{/C [0.8 0.9 0.4] /Border [0 0 2] user{ ???????? >(/c/windows.notepad.exe)} some text \pdfendlink \mbox{% \pdfannotlink attr {% /Subtype /Link /C [0.8 0.9 0.4] /Border [0 0 2] } user{/A << /S /Launch /F (/c/win/notepad.exe) >>}% Start notepad \pdfendlink } \mbox{% \edef\\{\string\\}% \pdfannotlink attr {% /Subtype /Link /C [0.8 0.9 0.4] /Border [0 0 2] } user{/A << /S /Launch /Win << /F (c:\\win\\notepad.exe) /P (c:\\temp\\test.tex) /D (c:\\temp) >> >>}% Start notepad with file in directory \pdfendlink } Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 15:44:54 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA09719 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13512 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:31:54 -0400 Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13509 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:31:53 -0400 Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10emuJ-0005CI-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 22:39:15 +0100 Received: from gecmdag1.ge.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.97.43] helo=gecmda.ge.ic.ac.uk) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for pdftex@tug.org id 10emuI-0006VJ-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 22:39:14 +0100 Received: from albertspc by gecmda.ge.ic.ac.uk (5.65v3.2/4.1) id AA30491; Tue, 4 May 1999 22:39:14 +0100 From: "Patrick Alberts" To: Subject: FW: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:39:13 +0100 Message-Id: <003e01be9676$8d9656e0$cf61c69b@ge.ic.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 4 May 1999, Frank Boehme wrote: > > You should use epstopdf to convert to pdf. > ... > Q: is there a version of epstopdf that obeys bounding boxes specified > "(atend)", i.e. at the end of the file? I never experienced any problems with epstopdf - but now that I upgraded to the latest pdfTeX all the graphics don't work any more. They are displayed in a black, distorted way that looks like a badly tuned b&w TV. That even happens with old graphics that used to work with older versions of pdfTeX. However, if I use Destiller, the graphics appear as expected. So somewhere something must go banana. patrick! From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 16:09:04 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA10470 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13828 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:54:11 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken96.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13825 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:54:08 -0400 Received: from galiano (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19710; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jody Klymak" To: "Ed L. Cashin" , "David Carlisle" Cc: Subject: PDF-FAQ (was RE: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing)) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:00:56 -0700 Message-ID: <001001be9679$95fc6d30$8e605f80@apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The FAQ is on version 0.10. Most of the FAQ went into improvements in the manual. Since then I have gotten perhaps one submission, which by itself didn't seem to warrant an update. If people have FAQs that they are tired of answering again and again, please send them to me at mailto:jklymak@apl.washington.edu Also, if there are corrections to the old FAQ that are confusing because things have changed. I'm no pdftex expert, so I don't feel I have the knowledge to comb through it finding mistakes or things that are obsolete. Cheers, Jody > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdftex@tug.org [mailto:owner-pdftex@tug.org]On > Behalf Of Ed > L. Cashin > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:16 PM > To: David Carlisle > Cc: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) > > > David Carlisle writes: > > > > you need pdfLaTeX 0.12n or > > > > that is a typo. the version number refers to pdftex. > > > > > My version (0.10) sa > > that's way way too old:-) > > I did not see any way to get from www.tug.org to the pdftex FAQ, and > the link in my version of the FAQ points to > > http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdfTeX-FAQ.pdf > > ... which is the same version (0.10). Is there another location with > a more recent version of the FAQ? > > -- > --Ed Cashin > ecashin@coe.uga.edu > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 16:29:42 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA11163 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA14122 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:17:10 -0400 Received: from Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (IDENT:kelley@Intrusion.Phys.OCEAN.Dal.Ca [129.173.23.147]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14119 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:17:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (kelley@localhost) by Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09317; Tue, 4 May 1999 19:25:32 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA: kelley owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:25:32 -0300 (ADT) From: Dan E Kelley To: Patrick Alberts cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: FW: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <003e01be9676$8d9656e0$cf61c69b@ge.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1384017129-1997770304-925856732=:9308" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1384017129-1997770304-925856732=:9308 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One thing I noticed is that the search-pattern elsif ( /%%BoundingBox: (atend)/) { should be written elsif ( /%%BoundingBox: \(atend\)/) { , at least with the present versions of perl (say, perl-5). HOWEVER, the script doesn't handle the 'atend' style properly (as is pointed out in comments in the code) so this is a moot point I guess. I was going to hack 'epstopdf' to do this but then I ran out of time and wrote a quickie program to just manipulate my PS files directly, before using epstopdf. This quickie perlscript is attached, in case anybody wants to blend it into epstopdf ... I think there are easier ways to do it, so I won't try!! WOn Tue, 4 May 1999, Patrick Alberts wrote: > > On Tue, 4 May 1999, Frank Boehme wrote: > > > You should use epstopdf to convert to pdf. > > ... > > Q: is there a version of epstopdf that obeys bounding boxes specified > > "(atend)", i.e. at the end of the file? > > I never experienced any problems with epstopdf - but now that I upgraded to > the latest pdfTeX all the graphics don't work any more. They are displayed > in a black, distorted way that looks like a badly tuned b&w TV. That even > happens with old graphics that used to work with older versions of pdfTeX. > > However, if I use Destiller, the graphics appear as expected. So somewhere > something must go banana. > > patrick! > Dan E. Kelley internet: mailto:Dan.Kelley@Dal.CA Oceanography Department phone: (902)494-1694 Dalhousie University fax: (902)494-2885 Halifax, NS, CANADA, B3H 4J1 http://www.phys.ocean.dal.ca/~kelley ---1384017129-1997770304-925856732=:9308 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=fix_bbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: perlscript to fix bboxes Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=fix_bbox ZXZhbCAnKGV4aXQgJD8wKScgJiYgZXZhbCAnZXhlYyBwZXJsIC1TICQwICR7 MSsiJEAifScgJiYgZXZhbCAnZXhlYyBwZXJsIC1TICQwICQgYXJndjpxJyBp ZiAwOw0KDQokbGluZSA9IDA7DQoNCiRiYm5lZWRlZD0xOw0KbG9jYWwgJGJi cGF0dD0iWzAtOVwuXC1dIjsNCmxvY2FsICRiYnhwYXR0ID0gIlswLTllRVwu XC1dIjsNCg0Kd2hpbGUoPD4pIHsNCiAgICAkY29udGVudHNbJGxpbmUrK10g PSAkXzsNCiAgICBpZiAoLyUlQm91bmRpbmdCb3g6KFxzKyRiYnBhdHQrKVxz KygkYmJwYXR0KylccysoJGJicGF0dCspXHMrKCRiYnBhdHQrKS8pIHsNCgkk bGx4ID0gJDE7DQoJJGxseSA9ICQyOw0KCSR1cnggPSAkMzsNCgkkdXJ5ID0g JDQ7DQoJJGJibmVlZGVkID0gMDsNCiAgICB9IA0KfQ0KJGxpbmVzID0gJGxp bmU7DQpmb3IgKCRsaW5lID0gMDsgJGxpbmUgPCAkbGluZXM7ICRsaW5lKysp IHsNCiAgICBpZiAoJGNvbnRlbnRzWyRsaW5lXSA9fiAvJSVCb3VuZGluZ0Jv eDogXChhdGVuZFwpLykgew0KCXByaW50ICIlJUJvdW5kaW5nQm94OiAkbGx4 ICRsbHkgJHVyeCAkdXJ5XG4iOw0KICAgIH0gZWxzZSB7DQoJcHJpbnQgJGNv bnRlbnRzWyRsaW5lXTsNCiAgICB9DQp9DQo= ---1384017129-1997770304-925856732=:9308-- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 4 17:05:12 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA12289 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:05:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA14354 for pdftex-list; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:44:39 -0400 Received: from newman.myriad.net (mail.myriad.net [204.57.67.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14351 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:44:37 -0400 Received: from [128.194.7.155] (ppp-10.math.tamu.edu [128.194.7.155]) by newman.myriad.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA32643 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:51:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: tom.kiff@mail.kiffe.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:57:04 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Tom Kiffe Subject: pdftex0.13d and bakoma fonts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk While playing around with different configurations for pdftex I have noticed that pdftex 0.13d does not handle the bakoma type1 cm fonts. This happens with my own port of pdftex to the Macintosh and with the pdftex included with miktex 1.20. The new pdftexlib no longer contains the encoding files (cmsy.enc, cmtext.enc, etc) needed by pdftex when dealing with the bakoma fonts. Pdftex 0.13d does handle the bakoma fonts correctly if one uses the old pdftexlib distributed with pdftex 0.12. The older pdftexlib is no longer available but I did have an archived copy and was able to fix the problem locally. Has support for the bakoma fonts been dropped from pdftex? Since dvips5.83 (on linux and with miktex) no longer partially downloads the bakoma fonts correctly, I was wondering if the bakoma fonts are being phased out in favor of the bsr versions? Tom Kiffe College Station, TX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 01:04:35 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA24663 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA15150 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:45:44 -0400 Received: from themis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (themis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.1.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15147 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:45:41 -0400 Received: from po.uni-stuttgart.de (rusxppp10.rus.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.31.10]) by themis.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28577 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:53:00 +0200 (MET DST) env-from (fmpa.r44@po.uni-stuttgart.de) Message-ID: <372FEAFC.477B5A92@po.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:53:48 +0200 From: "Dipl.-Ing. E. Willand" Organization: FMPA Baden-Württemberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [de] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: fix Bounding Box Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C0F8655DC2E00C3D078EF9CF" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------C0F8655DC2E00C3D078EF9CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A nice way to fix the bounding box is to use epstool coming with ghostscript (I guess). I use a simple Dos-Batch-file to convert PS-Printer-output for the HP-Laserjet 4ML (print to file TEST.PS) to get usable EPS and PDF files with correct Bounding Boxes: @echo off epstool -b -c -r300 -o%1.eps %1.ps epstopdf %1.eps then calling c:\> pstopdf test results in the two files test.eps and test.pdf The options mean: -b ... fix bounding box -c ... copy only, no other changes -r ... resolution of output in dpi (in my case hp-laser 4ML it is 300) -o ... output file name All the best ... Ernst --------------C0F8655DC2E00C3D078EF9CF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte für Ernst Willand Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Ernst Willand n: Willand;Ernst org: FMPA: Forschungs- und Materialprüfungsanstalt Baden-Württemberg adr;dom: Referat 44;;Pfaffenwaldring 4f;70569 Stuttgart;;; email;internet: fmpa.r44@po.uni-stuttgart.de title: Dipl.-Ing. tel;work: 0711 / 685-3351 tel;fax: 0711 / 685-6826 note: Abdichtungstechnik, Bitumen- und Asphalttechnologie, Geomechanik x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------C0F8655DC2E00C3D078EF9CF-- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 02:39:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA26817 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 02:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA15404 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:21:52 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15401 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:21:50 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ex3J-0005A0-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:29:13 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ex3I-0008MW-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:29:13 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14128.3878.603350.270642@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:28:06 +0000 (GMT) To: kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA Cc: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie, ecashin@coe.uga.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: References: <372F2346.762F@cs.ucc.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dan E Kelley writes: > Q: is there a version of epstopdf that obeys bounding boxes specified > "(atend)", i.e. at the end of the file? I noticed that the version at > http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf > doesn't properly handle bounding-boxes at the end; it gives a mediabox > that is wrongly the full pagesize. > Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to support (atend) BoundingBoxes; it would mean making the (very simple) program much more complicated (two passes, or storing in memory). what application produces this vile feature? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 03:14:09 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA27591 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA15504 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:41:24 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15501 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:41:22 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10exME-0002wV-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:48:46 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10exMD-0006Wa-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:48:45 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14128.5052.263335.656093@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:47:40 +0000 (GMT) To: kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: References: <199905041511.QAA15038@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dan E Kelley writes: > The defn_sketch.ps file uses PalatinoRoman font as well as Helvetica, > but I would have thought this not to be a difficulty since I've asked > that it embed the fonts. do you *have* the Palatino font? remember that its embedded in most PS printers, but NOT in Acrobat. So its a gray area. > PROBLEM 2: It seems that the geometry of the graphics files isn't > understood, or scanned, by pdflatex (or by \includegraphics). 'latex' > checks for bounding boxes (or template boxes, not sure which -- same > in my appliation anyhow), and then uses that information in its > processing. However, I've seen that my pdflatex scheme does not do > this, and, reading my pdf-based figure files (made from 'distill') I > see the only 'box' command is set to full U.S. letter size. pdftex reads the MediaBox. > Q1: how to make distill create a file with appropriate bounding box? use Distiller 4. it obeys the BoundingBox; or use the tricks embedded in the epstopdf script > Q2: must I change my graphics files to use only builtin > (e.g. Helvetica) fonts, or should the 'embed' (or other option) to > 'distill' handle this for me? upgrade your pdftex Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 03:31:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA27929 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA15737 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 04:15:03 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15733 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 04:14:48 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id KAA24040; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:20:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:20:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905050920.KAA24040@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA CC: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie, ecashin@coe.uga.edu, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (message from Dan E Kelley on Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:56 -0300 (ADT)) Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Thanks, that's wonderful. (I've been transfering files to a machine > on which we have 'distill', but I don't have it on my linux box, so > this is great.) If your eps files have any fonts other than the base times/helvetica set then you are much better using distiller if you have it. ghostscript's pdfwriter as used by epstopdf doesn't really handle fonts other than these. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 03:36:13 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA28052 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA15717 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 04:12:17 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15714 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 04:12:00 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id KAA27612; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:17:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:17:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905050917.KAA27612@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (ecashin@coe.uga.edu) Subject: version numbers References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041644.RAA24130@nag.co.uk> <199905041809.TAA14080@nag.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sorry I introduced more confusion:-) you quoted a document as saying > you need pdfLaTeX 0.12n or That should say pdftex not pdflatex. (pdflatex doesn't have its own version number as it is just the standard latex sources running on pdftex instead of tex), but > My version (0.10) sa Here you were refering to the faq version number, so my comment about it being an old version was wrong. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 03:40:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA28181 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 03:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA15780 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 04:19:08 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15777 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 04:19:06 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09690; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:26:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26021; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:26:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905050926.LAA26021@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex0.13d and bakoma fonts In-Reply-To: from Tom Kiffe at "May 4, 99 05:57:04 pm" To: tom@kiffe.com (Tom Kiffe) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:26:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > While playing around with different configurations for pdftex I have noticed > that pdftex 0.13d does not handle the bakoma type1 cm fonts. This happens > with my own port of pdftex to the Macintosh and with the pdftex included > with miktex 1.20. > > The new pdftexlib no longer contains the encoding files (cmsy.enc, cmtext.enc, > etc) needed by pdftex when dealing with the bakoma fonts. Pdftex 0.13d does > handle the bakoma fonts correctly if one uses the old pdftexlib distributed > with pdftex 0.12. The older pdftexlib is no longer available but I did have > an archived copy and was able to fix the problem locally. > > Has support for the bakoma fonts been dropped from pdftex? Since dvips5.83 > (on linux and with miktex) no longer partially downloads the bakoma fonts > correctly, I was wondering if the bakoma fonts are being phased out in > favor of the bsr versions? the new pdftexlib contains only files from tetex that are needed for running pdftex. tetex doesn't support bakoma fonts, so the map/encoding files are not included. I apologize users of bakoma fonts for this mistake. It will be fixed in next release. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 05:00:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA29934 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 05:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA16560 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 05:37:43 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA16556 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 05:37:40 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ezAk-0005v8-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:45:02 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ezAk-00074X-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:45:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14128.12017.203272.396665@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:43:45 +0000 (GMT) To: tom@kiffe.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex0.13d and bakoma fonts In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kiffe writes: > .... Since dvips5.83 > (on linux and with miktex) no longer partially downloads the bakoma fonts > correctly, can you elucidate? in what way is dvips failing to deal with BaKoMa fonts? > I was wondering if the bakoma fonts are being phased out in > favor of the bsr versions? Its hard to see why anyone would prefer to use BaKoMa than BSR, apart >From to fill the gaps. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 05:23:08 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA00484 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 05:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA16583 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 05:40:25 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA16579 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 05:40:21 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20971; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:47:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05192; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:47:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905051047.MAA05192@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <14128.5052.263335.656093@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> from Sebastian Rahtz at "May 5, 99 09:47:40 am" To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:47:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > PROBLEM 2: It seems that the geometry of the graphics files isn't > > understood, or scanned, by pdflatex (or by \includegraphics). 'latex' > > checks for bounding boxes (or template boxes, not sure which -- same > > in my appliation anyhow), and then uses that information in its > > processing. However, I've seen that my pdflatex scheme does not do > > this, and, reading my pdf-based figure files (made from 'distill') I > > see the only 'box' command is set to full U.S. letter size. > pdftex reads the MediaBox. just a comment that it reads CropBox first if exists. When CropBox is not present then MediaBox will be used. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 06:36:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA02177 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 06:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA17042 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 07:14:40 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17039 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 07:14:37 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05537 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:22:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA00914; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:28:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:28:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905051228.OAA00914@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041727.TAA13453@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) », Ed L. Cashin écrit : « » > For use in plain, i simply had to put this in graphics.cfg: » > » > \DeclareOption{pdftex}{\def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def}} » > \ExecuteOptions{pdftex} » > \def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def} » > » > I also modified 2 things in pdftex.def: » > » > % Are we running under PDFTeX?--hmm PdfLaTex... » > \ifx\pdfpageheight\@undefined » [...] » » I don't follow what your code is doing. I am using the teTeX 0.9 » distribution, and I don't know very much about its internals. Do you » think your code could just drop right into the current pdftex.def and » graphics.cfg? ah, my code is essentially non-code, as i showed commented-out lines in the original files. in pdftex.def a call to \paperheight, which is a latex macro, is done -> remove it, i also remove the AtBeginDocumet stuff, which is no more needed with lmatest context modules, and makes no sense in plain. As of pdftex.cfg, what happens is that the original line \DeclareOption{pdftex}{\def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def}} seems to make no sense in plain, so i had to force it for plain: \def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def} and that's all, folks! Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 07:32:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA03532 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 07:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA17274 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:11:04 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17271 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:11:02 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA18323; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:18:20 -0400 To: Thierry Bouche Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041727.TAA13453@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199905051228.OAA00914@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 05 May 1999 09:18:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: Thierry Bouche's message of "Wed, 5 May 1999 14:28:50 +0200 (MET DST)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > in pdftex.def a call to \paperheight, which is a latex macro, is done > -> remove it, i also remove the AtBeginDocumet stuff, which is no more > needed with lmatest context modules, and makes no sense in plain. > > As of pdftex.cfg, what happens is that the original line > \DeclareOption{pdftex}{\def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def}} > > seems to make no sense in plain, so i had to force it for plain: > > \def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def} Thanks for the clarification. Are you still able to use pdflatex after making those changes? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 07:43:26 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA03797 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 07:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA17294 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:14:55 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17289 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:14:33 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11341; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:21:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA03551; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:28:47 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:28:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905051328.PAA03551@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Cc: Thierry Bouche , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: References: <01BE957C.93203F40@176.gilanet.com> <3.0.1.16.19990504155425.3837c142@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <199905041727.TAA13453@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199905051228.OAA00914@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » Are you still able to use pdflatex » after making those changes? of course no. -- I mean of course yes. -- I mean as my tex system has a different search path for plain and latex inputs, i have graphicx.tex and the above graphics.cfg/ pdftex.def where plain looks for them, and the standard latex files at their standard location. i live happy that way ;-) Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 07:47:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA03914 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 07:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA17343 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:19:38 -0400 Received: from Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (IDENT:kelley@Intrusion.Phys.OCEAN.Dal.Ca [129.173.23.147]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17339 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:19:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (kelley@localhost) by Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10397; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:28:01 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA: kelley owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:28:01 -0300 (ADT) From: Dan E Kelley To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: updated epstopdf which handles BoundingBox at end of file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1384017129-1626944304-925910881=:10350" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1384017129-1626944304-925910881=:10350 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sebastion, I hope you don't mind, but I've hacked your epstopdf (see attached file, a Perlscript), to try to handle the "BoundingBox: (atend)" business. The script works well on my files, but I'm sure it needs more testing. I have, I admit, done something that drives original code authors crazy: I've reformated the perl code into a format that's more like that I've read in Perl books. I did that just so that I could understand the code better, as I went through it line by line. I apologize if it's a bother. I am not altogether clear that the Postscript is legal, in the sense that the "grestore" occurs at the end of the file, rather than before the %%Trailer commands, if such existed. But, I've just done what the original epstopdf did, so I guess it's okay. In any case, I submit this to the group (pdftex@tub.org) in case it's helpful. PS: I did not change the version number, because I'm not sure whether there were intermediate versions of which I wasn't aware, and I didn't want to have an updated version number of my own collide with another in existence. Dan E. 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[131.247.3.1]) by babbage.csee.usf.edu (8.8.8/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA28405; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905051357.JAA28405@babbage.csee.usf.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Himanshu Gohel Reply-To: Himanshu Gohel Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Cc: pdftex@tug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: USdm4Gejqj4pdw2JIWmYvA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk -=>From: Sebastian Rahtz -=>Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to support (atend) BoundingBoxes; it would -=>mean making the (very simple) program much more complicated (two -=>passes, or storing in memory). what application produces this vile -=>feature? "vile?" Isn't that a bit too harsh? :) The EPS figures from my programs sometimes use the bounding box (atend) feature. There's a lot of geometric data that is dumped to the file and I compute the bounding box by the time I am done dumping the data, hence the use of (atend). Works very nicely for me, and there are no problems with any programs other than epstopdf so far. -- Himanshu Gohel, Gohel@csee.usf.edu WEB URL: http://www.csee.usf.edu/~gohel/ University of South Florida, Tampa, FL. USA. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 09:25:07 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA06736 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18223 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:02:18 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18220 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:02:15 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10f3Il-0004M8-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:09:35 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10f3Il-0005hO-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:09:35 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14128.27897.34568.180007@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:08:25 +0000 (GMT) To: kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: updated epstopdf which handles BoundingBox at end of file In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dan E Kelley writes: > Sebastion, I hope you don't mind, but I've hacked your epstopdf (see perhaps I could make this conditional on a command-line switch. its a pain to store stuff in memory when its potentially a vast multi-megabyte file > I have, I admit, done something that drives original code authors > crazy: I've reformated the perl code into a format that's more like > that I've read in Perl books. frankly, my dear, I dont give a damn :-} > I am not altogether clear that the Postscript is legal, in the sense > that the "grestore" occurs at the end of the file, rather than before > the %%Trailer commands, if such existed. But, I've just done what the interesting question. but then since %%Trailer is no more than a recommended _comment_, its certainly *legal*. Immoral, very likely. the whole "setpagedevice" thing is hardly nice anyway > PS: I did not change the version number, because I'm not sure whether > there were intermediate versions of which I wasn't aware, and I didn't > want to have an updated version number of my own collide with another > in existence. I'll update the version and put on the Web site shortly Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 09:41:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA07218 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18191 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:55:59 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18188 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:55:57 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10f3Ch-0004DC-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:03:19 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10f3Ch-0008TR-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:03:19 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14128.27520.694600.397134@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:02:08 +0000 (GMT) To: gohel@babbage.csee.usf.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <199905051357.JAA28405@babbage.csee.usf.edu> References: <199905051357.JAA28405@babbage.csee.usf.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Himanshu Gohel writes: > -=>passes, or storing in memory). what application produces this vile > -=>feature? > > "vile?" Isn't that a bit too harsh? :) no, "evil" would have been too harsh.... > the use of (atend). Works very nicely for me, and there are no problems > with any programs other than epstopdf so far. > the whole problem epstopdf solves will go away with Distiller 4; maybe someone should check with the latest Ghostscript betas handle it? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 09:55:42 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA07649 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18412 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:30:06 -0400 Received: from babbage.csee.usf.edu (root@babbage.csee.usf.edu [131.247.3.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18409 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:30:04 -0400 Received: from grad (gohel@grad [131.247.3.1]) by babbage.csee.usf.edu (8.8.8/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA03451; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905051537.LAA03451@babbage.csee.usf.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Himanshu Gohel Reply-To: Himanshu Gohel Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Cc: pdftex@tug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: vLj96SIFPuPg4YXH7UznSQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk -=>From: Sebastian Rahtz -=> > "vile?" Isn't that a bit too harsh? :) -=>no, "evil" would have been too harsh.... If one were dyslexic, would it make any difference???? evil...vile... :) As long as it's legal PS, it should not break any programs that deal with it. -=>the whole problem epstopdf solves will go away with Distiller 4; maybe -=>someone should check with the latest Ghostscript betas handle it? I'm not sure what you mean by that. My programs will continue to generate EPS and I will need to use epstopdf to generate PDF images for use with pdftex. I don't have Distiller on my UNIX boxes (or my Amiga). -- Himanshu Gohel, Gohel@csee.usf.edu WEB URL: http://www.csee.usf.edu/~gohel/ University of South Florida, Tampa, FL. USA. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 10:06:25 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA07972 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18461 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:35:40 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18458 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:35:37 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10f3p6-0005H8-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:43:00 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10f3p5-0005Xv-00; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:43:00 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14128.29901.484520.97112@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:41:49 +0000 (GMT) To: gohel@babbage.csee.usf.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <199905051537.LAA03451@babbage.csee.usf.edu> References: <199905051537.LAA03451@babbage.csee.usf.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Himanshu Gohel writes: > If one were dyslexic, would it make any difference???? evil...vile... :) > As long as it's legal PS, it should not break any programs that > deal with it. epstopdf doesnt *break* if the PS file has (atend), it just has no effect. > -=>the whole problem epstopdf solves will go away with Distiller 4; maybe > -=>someone should check with the latest Ghostscript betas handle it? > > I'm not sure what you mean by that. My programs will continue to > generate EPS and I will need to use epstopdf to generate PDF images > for use with pdftex. yes, but if Ghostscript obeyed the %%BoundingBox *without* the setpagedevice shenanigans, we could stop worrying about (atend) and epstopdf, and just feed the files straight to GS. > I don't have Distiller on my UNIX boxes (or my Amiga). you are doomed, I fear, to less than perfect quality on your embedded PDF, if you ever use extra fonts Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 5 13:59:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA15577 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA19598 for pdftex-list; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:38:19 -0400 Received: from Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (IDENT:kelley@Intrusion.Phys.OCEAN.Dal.Ca [129.173.23.147]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19595 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:38:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (kelley@localhost) by Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11267; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:46:40 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA: kelley owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:46:40 -0300 (ADT) From: Dan E Kelley To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: gohel@babbage.csee.usf.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Problem using epsfig (text in figures is missing) In-Reply-To: <14128.29901.484520.97112@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I don't have Distiller on my UNIX boxes (or my Amiga). > you are doomed, I fear, to less than perfect quality on your embedded > PDF, if you ever use extra fonts An issue of concern is that Adobe has no linux version of distiller. An email they sent me earlier today suggests that they respond to user demand, so if there are other folks out there who would like to have distiller (or illustrator ...) on linux, let adobe know of your desires :-) Dan E. Kelley internet: mailto:Dan.Kelley@Dal.CA Oceanography Department phone: (902)494-1694 Dalhousie University fax: (902)494-2885 Halifax, NS, CANADA, B3H 4J1 http://www.phys.ocean.dal.ca/~kelley From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 6 00:34:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA03101 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:34:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA20573 for pdftex-list; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:14:55 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA20570 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 01:14:53 -0400 Received: from remote142-42.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.42] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10fHXk-000582-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:22:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990506082055.0897512e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:20:55 +0200 To: Sebastian Rahtz , kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: updated epstopdf which handles BoundingBox at end of file Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <14128.27897.34568.180007@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_925964455==_" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk --=====================_925964455==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 16:08 05.05.1999 +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >Dan E Kelley writes: > > Sebastion, I hope you don't mind, but I've hacked your epstopdf (see > >perhaps I could make this conditional on a command-line switch. its a >pain to store stuff in memory when its potentially a vast >multi-megabyte file I have written a version that stores the input file position, looks for the correspondending BoundingBox at the end (skipping BoundingBox comments of included documents) and restore the file pointer. If the program is run as filter, the (atend) feature is disabled, because it isn't possible to go back in the file 'STDIN'. Additional: * options for looking for %%HiresBoundingBox or %%ExactBoundingBox instead of %%BoundingBox * Looking for the BoundingBox comment only in the header. * First comment (PostScript marker) can be only '%!' instead of '%!PS'. * There can be no white space between the colon and the values: "BoundingBox:llx lly ..." * With cygwin perl $^O != "MSWin32". 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Thu, 6 May 1999 04:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA20975 for pdftex-list; Thu, 6 May 1999 04:44:17 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA20972 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 04:44:15 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10fKog-00060Y-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:51:42 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10fKof-0000Vo-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:51:41 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14129.29688.29731.341823@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:50:32 +0000 (GMT) To: oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de Cc: kelley@Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: updated epstopdf which handles BoundingBox at end of file In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19990506082055.0897512e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3.0.1.16.19990506082055.0897512e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Heiko Oberdiek writes: > I have written a version that stores the input file position, looks > for the correspondending BoundingBox at the end (skipping BoundingBox > comments of included documents) and restore the file pointer. It seems pretty obvious that this version is a distinct improvement in many many ways. I cannot see any reason not to make this standard. many thanks, Heiko! Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 6 04:28:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA08304 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 04:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA21041 for pdftex-list; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:07:43 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA21038 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:07:42 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.113]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5174; Thu, 6 May 1999 12:14:39 +0200 Message-ID: <37315532.8B9B4881@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:39:14 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Uwe Baumert CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Mixing portrait and landscape page layout in pdf References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Uwe Baumert wrote: > is it possible to mix portrait and landscape page layout in pdf? You can mix all kind of page/page sizes. Just make sure the media and crop boxes are set right using the page attributes primitive. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 6 09:04:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA15255 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA21698 for pdftex-list; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:37:55 -0400 Received: from post.larc.nasa.gov (post.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.45]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21695 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:37:51 -0400 Received: from express.larc.nasa.gov (express.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.44]) by post.larc.nasa.gov (8.8.8.1/pohub4.3) with ESMTP id KAA16626; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from larc.nasa.gov (ab21.larc.nasa.gov [146.165.27.20]) by express.larc.nasa.gov (8.8.8.1/posvr4.3) with ESMTP id KAA16928; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3731AAF3.A536CF40@larc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:45:07 -0400 From: bil kleb Organization: NASA Langley Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; IRIX64 6.5 IP28) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.text.tex CC: psfrag@rascals.stanford.edu, pdftex mailing list Subject: psfrag addict seeks suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk so i'm addicted to psfrag. i admit it. i think it is great. however, i have now come to realize that it limits my document portability... the problem is the emerging demand for pdf documents. thanks to pdflatex, i find it very easy to produce pdf output or latex output with the same source as long as i remember to make both eps and pdf versions of my included graphics. however, the use of psfrag limits me to only postscript output. i've seen discussions of "pdfrag", but no one appears to be stepping up that one... and it may not even be possible? i've been thinking that i'll have to make a stand-alone document for each psfrag figure, generate a ps file, convert it to eps, then include the new figure into the full document. however, it seems like a lot of work, limits the automatic font sizing feature of psfrag, and i may have troubles getting the bounding box worked out correctly(?). what's a psfrag addict to do? --i fear the answer may be withdrawal. -- bil From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 6 09:36:10 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA16286 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21765 for pdftex-list; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:10:11 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21762 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:10:10 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FBB00I01H5CLC@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FBB00I23H5CJ5@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 06 May 1999 11:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:17:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: psfrag addict seeks suggestions In-reply-to: <3731AAF3.A536CF40@larc.nasa.gov> To: bil kleb Cc: psfrag@rascals.stanford.edu, pdftex mailing list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The last suggestion you made is a way for right now (see below for a long term solution). If you have access to distiller, you can distill the separate PS files, and then use Exchange to crop the resulting PDF file. Then use Exchange's export to EPS. I believe that this will give you the correct BBox. Or start using MetaPost, because Hans Hagen has done some stuff for using .mp files with pdftex. Regards, Tom > > so i'm addicted to psfrag. i admit it. i think it is great. however, > i have now come to realize that it limits my document portability... > > the problem is the emerging demand for pdf documents. thanks to pdflatex, > i find it very easy to produce pdf output or latex output with the > same source as long as i remember to make both eps and pdf versions > of my included graphics. however, the use of psfrag limits me to only > postscript output. > > i've seen discussions of "pdfrag", but no one appears to be stepping up > that one... and it may not even be possible? > > i've been thinking that i'll have to make a stand-alone document for > each psfrag figure, generate a ps file, convert it to eps, then include > the new figure into the full document. however, it seems like a lot > of work, limits the automatic font sizing feature of psfrag, and i > may have troubles getting the bounding box worked out correctly(?). > > what's a psfrag addict to do? --i fear the answer may be withdrawal. > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 6 14:07:28 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA25492 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA23286 for pdftex-list; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:31:31 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23283 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:31:25 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05953; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07736; Thu, 6 May 1999 21:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905061938.VAA07736@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: CM TTF fonts In-Reply-To: <3725BA72.DFDFC102@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Apr 27, 99 11:24:02 pm" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Can anyone get the TTF versions on the CM fonts working > properly with pdftex + Acrord32 under Win32? > e.g. if I do > pdftex testfont > and generate a table for cmmi10 then some character > which actually comes from cmr10 doesn't display. But > if generate a table for cmr10 first and then a table > for cmmi10 then everything shows up fine. > As usual, there is no problem with GSView. I got another report about problem with TTF in pdftex with AcroReader4.0. It seems like when the glyph 'a' is not used in the document (thus not included in the font), then Acrobat Reader 4.0 displays all other glyphs of the font as boxes. Running a small test which writes out all the glyphs in the font apart from 'a' has shown that it's true at least for the fonts available from Microsoft site. This problem can be fixed by forcing the glyph 'a' to be always included when embedding the font. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 7 02:51:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA14994 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 02:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA24453 for pdftex-list; Fri, 7 May 1999 03:24:25 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24450 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 03:24:19 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.52]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4F1C; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:30:24 +0200 Message-ID: <3732934F.3832099F@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:16:31 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bil kleb CC: psfrag@rascals.stanford.edu, pdftex mailing list Subject: Re: psfrag addict seeks suggestions References: <3731AAF3.A536CF40@larc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk bil kleb wrote: > i've seen discussions of "pdfrag", but no one appears to be stepping up > that one... and it may not even be possible? I just took a look at psfrag. There are two complications: (1) there is raw ps code in the source and (2) the process depends on an interaction between tex and the eps file. This eps file is not handled by pdftex. A solution is doing a complete rewrite of the module that uses an intermediate positional info file generated from the eps file by GS and use this info to get the placement done. It's a bit the way the new context flow charting module works (let tex generate mp code, let mp calculate the graphics and write positional data, let tex interpret the mp code and data, etc). In ppchtex I follow a bit different thread, by using mp as plug in into pictex. If I had use for psfrag, I would probably wrote this module (although I would look into a mp alternative first.) Hans (PS. www.pragma-ade.nl/uptodate.html -> 1999-003.pdf shows this kind of cooperation, 1998-002 shows the pictex plugin at work) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 7 04:37:09 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA17419 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA25197 for pdftex-list; Fri, 7 May 1999 05:00:34 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA25194 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 05:00:32 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10fhY2-0002ub-00; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:08:02 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10fhY2-0006k7-00; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:08:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14130.51525.873828.362333@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:06:45 +0000 (GMT) To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: w.l.kleb@larc.nasa.gov, psfrag@rascals.stanford.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: psfrag addict seeks suggestions In-Reply-To: <3732934F.3832099F@wxs.nl> References: <3731AAF3.A536CF40@larc.nasa.gov> <3732934F.3832099F@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > A solution is doing a complete rewrite of the module that uses an > intermediate positional info file generated from the eps file by GS and > use this info to get the placement done. It's a bit the way the new I may be misremembering, but I have an idea that this is how psfrag *used* to work (calling on GS to do some work, and then reading the result). one (forgive me for reminding you) problem is that you need to turn on the web2c TeX feature of running external programs. which is a) a security issue, and b) is not widely available to your average TeXxie. OK, you can do it in several steps, but thats as tedious as what Bill was trying to avoid I still sit in the "I would not start from here" camp. psfrag is clever, but its doomed, its a dead end. specify your graphics using media-independent markup,[1] and your grandchildren will thank you. Sebastian [1] metapost will do for now, while we wait for SVG implementations :-} From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 7 06:25:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA19929 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 06:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA26365 for pdftex-list; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:01:15 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26362 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:01:13 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.54]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAF25; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:20 +0200 Message-ID: <3732CC65.5AECE40A@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 13:20:05 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: w.l.kleb@larc.nasa.gov, psfrag@rascals.stanford.edu, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: psfrag addict seeks suggestions References: <3731AAF3.A536CF40@larc.nasa.gov> <3732934F.3832099F@wxs.nl> <14130.51525.873828.362333@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > [1] metapost will do for now, while we wait for SVG implementations :-} MP is a language producing graphic primitives. As far as I'm aware of, SVG is no language at all. Writing a MP-output to SVG is on my agenda, once I'm sure if it's a real accepted standard working everywhere. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 7 06:49:05 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA20479 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 06:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA26452 for pdftex-list; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:14:53 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26449 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:14:52 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA03998; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:22:19 -0400 To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: psfrag addict seeks suggestions References: <3731AAF3.A536CF40@larc.nasa.gov> <3732934F.3832099F@wxs.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 07 May 1999 08:22:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: Hans Hagen's message of "Fri, 07 May 1999 09:16:31 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > (PS. www.pragma-ade.nl/uptodate.html -> 1999-003.pdf shows this kind > of cooperation, 1998-002 shows the pictex plugin at work) http://www.pragma-ade.nl/uptodate.html gave a 404 error when I tried to visit it. Is there another URL? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 7 09:16:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA24433 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:16:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA27228 for pdftex-list; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:48:05 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27225 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:48:01 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18924; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:53:09 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3732FFD0.11125388@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:59:28 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: CM TTF fonts References: <199905061938.VAA07736@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > Hi, > > > Can anyone get the TTF versions on the CM fonts working > > properly with pdftex + Acrord32 under Win32? > > e.g. if I do > > pdftex testfont > > and generate a table for cmmi10 then some character > > which actually comes from cmr10 doesn't display. But > > if generate a table for cmr10 first and then a table > > for cmmi10 then everything shows up fine. > > As usual, there is no problem with GSView. > > I got another report about problem with TTF in pdftex with AcroReader4.0. > It seems like when the glyph 'a' is not used in the document (thus not included in the > font), then Acrobat Reader 4.0 displays all other glyphs of the font as boxes. > Running a small test which writes out all the glyphs in the font apart from 'a' > has shown that it's true at least for the fonts available from Microsoft site. > This problem can be fixed by forcing the glyph 'a' to be always included when > embedding the font. > > Thanh Thanks -- it does seem that if there is an 'a' then everything shows up OK, and if there isn't then it doesn't. I've verified this for a couple of fonts I've got. So putting << instead of < in the map file should fix it. However, in a test I just did with cmr10.ttf (BaKoMa) it didn't quite work -- the fi ligature displayed as a box. When I went back to < in the map file it displayed correctly. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 7 09:55:13 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25603 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA27786 for pdftex-list; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:34:34 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27783 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:34:32 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.192]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2D52; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:40:44 +0200 Message-ID: <37330809.3DC7BEC2@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:34:33 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ed L. Cashin" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: psfrag addict seeks suggestions References: <3731AAF3.A536CF40@larc.nasa.gov> <3732934F.3832099F@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin wrote: > http://www.pragma-ade.nl/uptodate.html gave a 404 error when I tried > to visit it. Is there another URL? can you try /uptodate.htm otherwise go there via: www.pragma-ade.nl -> context support -> downloading -> uptodate This should work (at least it does here). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 7 05:38:34 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA18858 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 05:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA25894 for pdftex-list; Fri, 7 May 1999 06:14:29 -0400 Received: from custos.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA25891 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 06:14:28 -0400 Received: by custos.foa.se; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA23437; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:44:36 +0200 Received: from hobbe.lin.foa.se by mercur.foa.se (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Dec96-1251PM/sal/mek) id AA27039 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:44:35 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se by hobbe.lin.foa.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA12495; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:44:19 +0200 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14285; Fri, 7 May 1999 12:45:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199905071045.MAA14285@arnljot.lin.foa.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: "Michael C. Grant" Cc: "Sebastian Rahtz" Subject: Re: psfrag addict seeks suggestions In-Reply-To: mcgrant's message of Fri, 07 May 1999 03:28:21 -0700. <000601be9874$5491eb70$b59547ab@cisco.com> From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-Face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h But it is likely to remain that the only known ways to use PSfrag with > PDF are 1) VTeX, and 2) a distiller. What about Christophe BERNARD's suggestion of Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:53:51 +0200 (CET) in ? It does imply some fixing of dvips perhaps and I did not get it to work in 5 out of 6 cases I tested. It's tedious but does have a potential of working... /ChJ bernard@cmapx.polytechnique.fr said: > The only way I have found to process eps files using psfrag with > pdflatex is using a wrapper latex/eps file > Suppose you want to change occurences of {t} to {$\theta$} in > figure.eps > 1- create a plain latex file > [file w-figure.tex] > \documentclass{article} \usepackage{graphicx,psfrag} \pagestyle{empty} > \begin{document} \begin{center} > \psfrag{t}{$\theta$} > \includegraphics{figure.eps} \end{center} \end{document} > 2 - Process this file with latex and with dvips. For dvips, you should > use the following options: > dvips w-figure -E -Pcmz -o w-figure.eps > 3 - For some reason psfrag messes up the bounding box estimation made > by dvips, so usually you have to change the left limit of the bounding > box in the w-figure.eps file > %%BoundingBox: 40 459 465 667 > ^^ > you have to change this > You have to change the first number so that it sums up with the third > one to 594 > In my case, 40 has to be replaced with 594-465 ñ29. > so the bounding box line is changed to > %%BoundingBox: 129 459 465 667 > After this, you end up with a correct standalone eps file you can just > convert with epstopdf, and use with pdflatex. > (phew!) > Additional note to psfrag folks: > Maybe it would be worth changing so code in psfrag so that it does not > change the bounding box estimation of 'dvips -E'. > Christophe BERNARD Centre de Mathématiques Appliquées, École > Polytechnique, 91128 Palaiseau cédex, FRANCE tél 33-1-69334665 -- fax > 33-1-69333011 http://www.cmap.polytechnique.fr/~bernard/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 9 05:54:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA26450 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 05:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA31535 for pdftex-list; Sun, 9 May 1999 06:36:06 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA31532 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 06:36:00 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21734; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:43:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28145; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:43:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905091143.NAA28145@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: CM TTF fonts In-Reply-To: <3732FFD0.11125388@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 8, 99 00:59:28 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:43:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Thanks -- it does seem that if there is an 'a' then everything > shows up OK, and if there isn't then it doesn't. I've verified this > for a couple of fonts I've got. > > So putting << instead of < in the map file should fix it. However, > in a test I just did with cmr10.ttf (BaKoMa) it didn't quite work > -- the fi ligature displayed as a box. When I went back to < in > the map file it displayed correctly. the bakoma fonts have incorrect buit-in encoding, so in order to get them work with pdfTeX you need to reencode them, which should be done with partion downloading. (putting << instead of < before the font names causes that the font is embedded entirely and not reencoded). Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 9 06:17:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA26881 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 06:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA31605 for pdftex-list; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:02:42 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA31602 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:02:40 -0400 Received: from n242-167.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.242.167]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10gSPS-0000Ym-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:10:18 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Printing problems From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:10:17 +0200 Message-ID: <1drjihy.11trtxw6741ocM@n242-167.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to use Apple's Chicago font in a pdf document. I converted the original Chicago TrueType font to pfb (with Fontographer) and changed the name to MyChicago, to avoid problems with the Chicago font that is installed on the user's system (if the user is on a Mac). The resulting pdf document (produced with my own Mac port of pdftex 0.12q) displays fine with Acrobat Reader (both 3.0 and 4.0), but fails to print on some PostScript Level II printers. There are PostScript errors at the first page on which my Chicago font appears. (It prints fine on my own Kyocera, which has a PS II emulation.) Also, when trying to open the document with GhostView (I only tried 5.10), it stops rendering at the first occurence of the Chicago font. The page is partially rendered, and GhostView simply quits without an error message. I put a small sample document (18K) on my web page, and I would very much appreciate it if someone could have a look at it and see what might be wrong with the font. PS. Would it be illegal to use a font in this way, if it's only partially included in the pdf document? -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 9 07:02:53 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA27735 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA31953 for pdftex-list; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:48:49 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA31950 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:48:48 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FBG00101UM48W@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FBG00N71UM44R@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 09 May 1999 08:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Printing problems In-reply-to: <1drjihy.11trtxw6741ocM@n242-167.berlin.snafu.de> To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > I'm trying to use Apple's Chicago font in a pdf document. I converted > the original Chicago TrueType font to pfb (with Fontographer) and > changed the name to MyChicago, to avoid problems with the Chicago font > that is installed on the user's system (if the user is on a Mac). > > The resulting pdf document (produced with my own Mac port of pdftex > 0.12q) displays fine with Acrobat Reader (both 3.0 and 4.0), but fails > to print on some PostScript Level II printers. There are PostScript > errors at the first page on which my Chicago font appears. (It prints > fine on my own Kyocera, which has a PS II emulation.) > What version of pdftex did you use? The problem I see in the PDF file you sent is a problem that was fixed with later versions of 0.12x or earlier versions of 0.13x. The problem is that earlier versions of pdftex wrote out the encoding vector in such a way that most level 2 printers barfed on the PS code. > > Also, when trying to open the document with GhostView (I only tried > 5.10), it stops rendering at the first occurence of the Chicago font. > The page is partially rendered, and GhostView simply quits without an > error message. > I think that GS chokes on the document for the same reason that some printers do. > > I put a small sample document (18K) on my web page, and I would very > much appreciate it if someone could have a look at it and see what might > be wrong with the font. > > > > > PS. Would it be illegal to use a font in this way, if it's only > partially included in the pdf document? > pdftex has support for TrueType fonts, so you can use Chicago without going through FontoGrapher. I think that Apple allows use of the Chicago font in PDF documents. Tom From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 10 14:48:21 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA13365 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA01894 for pdftex-list; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:21:48 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01891 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:21:40 -0400 Received: from n243-171.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.243.171]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10gwfy-0000cm-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:29:22 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX Mailing List) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Printing problems From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:29:22 +0200 Message-ID: <1drm0bi.1gx96u41hw0vccM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > What version of pdftex did you use? The problem I see in the PDF file > you sent is a problem that was fixed with later versions of 0.12x or > earlier versions of 0.13x. I used 0.12q. Today I brought my Mac port up to 0.13d; the resulting test document looks slightly different from the previous one, but I know so little about pdf that I can't see what has changed. The encoding vector looks the same though, from what I can tell. I'd appreciate it if you could have another look. The new one is at It still fails to render with GS 5.10. > pdftex has support for TrueType fonts, so you can use Chicago without > going through FontoGrapher. I tried that, but when trying to subset the font, pdftex complains about a missing `OS/2' table. When including the font completely, the resulting pdf file looks fine in Acrobat Reader, but _still_ fails to render with GS. That version is at -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 10 15:08:08 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA13896 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA01974 for pdftex-list; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:50:38 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01971 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:50:37 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FBJ00101BL9LV@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FBJ000H5BL95J@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:58:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Printing problems In-reply-to: <1drm0bi.1gx96u41hw0vccM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I looked at the new file. I agree that the encoding vector looks the same. How did you embed the font? What is the specific map entry that is used for "MyChicago"? > > > What version of pdftex did you use? The problem I see in the PDF file > > you sent is a problem that was fixed with later versions of 0.12x or > > earlier versions of 0.13x. > > I used 0.12q. Today I brought my Mac port up to 0.13d; the resulting > test document looks slightly different from the previous one, but I know > so little about pdf that I can't see what has changed. The encoding > vector looks the same though, from what I can tell. I'd appreciate it > if you could have another look. The new one is at > > > > It still fails to render with GS 5.10. > > > > pdftex has support for TrueType fonts, so you can use Chicago without > > going through FontoGrapher. > > I tried that, but when trying to subset the font, pdftex complains about > a missing `OS/2' table. When including the font completely, the > resulting pdf file looks fine in Acrobat Reader, but _still_ fails to > render with GS. That version is at > Interesting. From what I understand about TrueType fonts, the OS/2 table is not necessary. Perhaps this is due to some implementation glitch... More later. Tom From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 10 16:05:24 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA15496 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA02367 for pdftex-list; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:50:12 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02364 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:50:10 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FBJ00301ECGJ1@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FBJ0034XECGDF@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:57:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Printing problems In-reply-to: To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have just experimented around in Fontographer doing what Stefan did (make a PFB file from the Chicago TrueType font). It turns out that Fontographer writes out the encoding vector as follows: /Encoding 256 array dup 0 /glyph1 put dup 1 /.notdef put . . . (remaining 254 entries deleted) . . . readonly def (Note the space before readonly def). I believe that Thanh's encoding parser is working as advertised in the comments of writet1.c. The problem for Stefan is that if the PFB file does not have the line 0 1 255 {1 index exch /.notdef put} for the resulting PDF file will not have that line. This is what is causing the problems for Stefan when using the PFB file and trying to view the resulting PDF file in GhostScript (or print it). As for the problems with TrueType fonts and viewing the PDF file in GhostScript: your guess is as good as mine! Regards, Tom > > I looked at the new file. I agree that the encoding vector looks the > same. How did you embed the font? What is the specific map entry > that is used for "MyChicago"? > > > > > > What version of pdftex did you use? The problem I see in the PDF file > > > you sent is a problem that was fixed with later versions of 0.12x or > > > earlier versions of 0.13x. > > > > I used 0.12q. Today I brought my Mac port up to 0.13d; the resulting > > test document looks slightly different from the previous one, but I know > > so little about pdf that I can't see what has changed. The encoding > > vector looks the same though, from what I can tell. I'd appreciate it > > if you could have another look. The new one is at > > > > > > > > It still fails to render with GS 5.10. > > > > > > > pdftex has support for TrueType fonts, so you can use Chicago without > > > going through FontoGrapher. > > > > I tried that, but when trying to subset the font, pdftex complains about > > a missing `OS/2' table. When including the font completely, the > > resulting pdf file looks fine in Acrobat Reader, but _still_ fails to > > render with GS. That version is at > > > > Interesting. From what I understand about TrueType fonts, the > OS/2 table is not necessary. Perhaps this is due to some > implementation glitch... > > More later. > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 10 16:32:09 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA16377 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA02522 for pdftex-list; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:19:15 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02519 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:19:14 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FBJ00401FP0H4@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FBJ003BMFOZDF@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:26:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: OS/2 tables required or not? To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have looked at both Apple's and Microsoft's TrueType specifications. Apple lists the OS/2 table as optional, whereas Microsoft lists the OS/2 table as required. Hunh? Isn't a certain company forgetting that TrueType is an Apple invention? Oh silly me, its just Apple... Tom From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 03:18:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA02003 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA03705 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:43:03 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA03702 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:43:00 -0400 Received: from n245-169.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.245.169]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10h8FS-0003iV-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:50:46 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX Mailing List) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Printing problems From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:50:47 +0200 Message-ID: <1drmwsf.e9l6dhachkhuM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > How did you embed the font? What is the specific map entry > that is used for "MyChicago"? The map entry is this: chicago MyChicago ; Tue, 11 May 1999 06:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA04252 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:26:55 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04248 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:26:53 -0400 Received: from n36-3.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.36.3]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10hBk7-00074h-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:34:40 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX Mailing List) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Printing problems From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:34:39 +0200 Message-ID: <1drn9m0.fcvngyfwt9v4M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > The problem for Stefan is that if the PFB file > does not have the line > > 0 1 255 {1 index exch /.notdef put} for > > the resulting PDF file will not have that line. This is what is > causing the problems for Stefan when using the PFB file and trying > to view the resulting PDF file in GhostScript (or print it). Do you have any suggestions what I might do about this? I tried inserting that line into the pdf file manually; it still displays fine in Acrobat; GS still quits without an error, but no longer even renders the page partially. But then, I may easily have messed something up while editing the pdf file. -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 06:58:27 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA07086 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 06:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA04249 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:26:54 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04245 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:26:52 -0400 Received: from n36-3.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.36.3]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10hBk6-00074h-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:34:38 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <1drm0bi.1gx96u41hw0vccM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Subject: Re: Printing problems From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:34:38 +0200 Message-ID: <1drn8oj.1ez5yih11xu7uM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I wrote: > Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > > > pdftex has support for TrueType fonts, so you can use Chicago without > > going through FontoGrapher. > > I tried that, but when trying to subset the font, pdftex complains about > a missing `OS/2' table. OK, so I simply tried commenting out the "write_OS2();" in subset_font(), file writettf.c. This time pdftex gave no errors and produced a pdf file that looks fine in Acrobat Reader (as always), but still shows the same symtoms in GS: page is rendered up to the line where the Chicago font appears, GS quits with no error message. (I used mac.enc this time, not really knowing what I was doing; but pdftex refuses to subset a ttf font when no .enc file is given.) I'm surprised that both the ttf version and the converted pfb version of the font cause the same problem. -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 07:22:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA07732 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA04354 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:54:03 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04351 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:54:02 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FBK00101K72C5@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FBK00L56K71M4@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Printing problems In-reply-to: <1drn9m0.fcvngyfwt9v4M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, To make the necessary changes to the PFB file, you can use the t1asm/t1disasm tools that are in the CMacTeX distribution. t1disasm will take a PFB file and make a human readable from of the font, and then you can add the required line to this file. Then use t1asm to reassemble the font into a PFB. Adding the line to the PDF file manually is "bad" thing to do because PDF files use offsets/lengths for data. Acrobat is somewhat smart about fixing such things. I don't know about GhostScript, because I use Acrobat Reader. Regards, Tom > > > The problem for Stefan is that if the PFB file > > does not have the line > > > > 0 1 255 {1 index exch /.notdef put} for > > > > the resulting PDF file will not have that line. This is what is > > causing the problems for Stefan when using the PFB file and trying > > to view the resulting PDF file in GhostScript (or print it). > > Do you have any suggestions what I might do about this? I tried > inserting that line into the pdf file manually; it still displays fine > in Acrobat; GS still quits without an error, but no longer even renders > the page partially. But then, I may easily have messed something up > while editing the pdf file. > > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 07:41:01 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA08188 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA04589 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:19:09 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04586 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:19:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09345 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:26:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:26:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: SlantFont? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I recently updated to version 13d of pdftex. I _think_ I had slanted fonts working before, but they're not working now. Can anyone catch me up on map file usage? I have ptmro8r Times-Roman \ " .167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont " \ ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05195 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:35:10 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05192 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:35:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11231 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:42:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:42:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SlantFont? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Oops. What did Sebastian supply a searchable archive for? I found my answer there: use ghostscript Times for slanting. Allin Cottrell. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 11:23:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:root@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA14863 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA05432 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:26:04 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05429 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:26:02 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA10905; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:33:47 -0400 To: Allin Cottrell Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SlantFont? References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 11 May 1999 11:33:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: Allin Cottrell's message of "Tue, 11 May 1999 10:42:29 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Allin Cottrell writes: > Oops. What did Sebastian supply a searchable archive for? I > found my answer there: use ghostscript Times for slanting. What archive is that? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 11:31:04 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:root@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA15097 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA05370 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:12:43 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05365 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:12:40 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18046; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:18:06 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37384BC0.D4E1E17B@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:24:48 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allin Cottrell CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SlantFont? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Allin Cottrell wrote: > > I recently updated to version 13d of pdftex. I _think_ I had > slanted fonts working before, but they're not working now. Can > anyone catch me up on map file usage? I have > > ptmro8r Times-Roman \ > " .167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont " \ > > in a relevant map file. I know the file is being read OK, but > the text in question is not slanted in AcroRead (4beta, Linux). > > Allin Cottrell. I think that SlantFont and ExtendFont used to work for me with map file entries like ptmro8r Times-Roman "0.167 SlantFont" ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA06078 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:11:08 -0400 Received: from Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (IDENT:kelley@Intrusion.Phys.OCEAN.Dal.Ca [129.173.23.147]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06075 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:11:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (kelley@localhost) by Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17758 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:20:11 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: Intrusion.Phys.Ocean.Dal.CA: kelley owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:20:11 -0300 (ADT) From: Dan E Kelley To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdflatex/acroread error (fonts) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi. Folks on this list were very helpful to me last week, when I was trying initial experiments with pdflatex, on documents that include graphics files. These graphics files are in pdf format, created by the recently updated epstopdf (as discussed here last week) based on PostScript files. The graphics files use only builtin fonts. I have another question. After I run pdflatex I try to view the results with acroread. When it gets to a page with graphics, it gives an information dialog stating "Could not find a font in the Resources dictionary - using Helvetica instead". This confuses me, since the included graphics use only Helvetica and Symbol fonts, which I thought were okay. Indeed, acroread can view the included graphics files without difficulty, and when I ask for font info I see the table: Original Font Type Encoding Used Font Type ------------- ---- -------- --------- ---- Helvetica Type 1 Standard Helvetica Type 1 Symbol Type 1 Built-in Symbol Type 1 Q: can anybody on the list advice me as to how to proceed? Dan E. Kelley internet: mailto:Dan.Kelley@Dal.CA Oceanography Department phone: (902)494-1694 Dalhousie University fax: (902)494-2885 Halifax, NS, CANADA, B3H 4J1 http://www.phys.ocean.dal.ca/~kelley From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 12:29:50 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA17284 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06280 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:03:14 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06277 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:03:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16570; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:10:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: "Ed L. Cashin" cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SlantFont? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 11 May 1999, Ed L. Cashin wrote: > > Oops. What did Sebastian supply a searchable archive for? I > > found my answer there: use ghostscript Times for slanting. > > What archive is that? http://www.tug.org/cgi-bin/lwgate/pdftex/ Allin Cottrell From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 13:15:39 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA18764 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06504 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:45:13 -0400 Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06501 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:45:08 -0400 Received: from goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de (goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.28.168]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP id UAA19079 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:52:37 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: <199905111852.UAA17838@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from goedel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de id UAA17838; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:52:37 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Karsten Tinnefeld Reply-To: Karsten Tinnefeld X-uri: http://ls2-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~tinnefeld/ X-face: *sXD#NpiH+[WIRUfGB;twtnVo=k{4Ev$$s75_Lf~Sw%(A74 `N'EtJI[Z{P'X@60ru7SfQ%.3It!Jw'?UjF ~_B1l-`S:F>h~!,!|ow*.'@nzW.ADJ06j/Mj5NVp3 X-Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik 2, D-44221 Dortmund X-Address: GB IV/323 CS, Baroper Strasse 301, D-44227 Dortmund X-Phone: +49 231 755-4737 oder -2777 (Sekretariat) X-Telefax: +49 231 755-2047 X-public-transport: H-Bahn Campus Sued, Bus 457 Am Gardenkamp X-spelling: alte deutsche Rechtschreibung; Warnung: Wenn Sie nach dem August 1998 Rechtschreibunterricht erhalten haben, fragen Sie einen Lehrer nach eventuellen Schaeden durch Lektuere dieser Mail. To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: map search path Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:52:37 +0200 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The environment variable system about KB's library is really valuable, on the other hand, it produces the longest lasting problems - at least at my side, where we cannot do without setting some of these $TEX... variables for the sake of a partly local, partly read-only installation. Today, I fought pdftex.map. I have a nice poster on some wall, made of TUGboat 19(1), p. 30, listing all these variables, and having .map files listed only under $TEXFONTMAPS. Now I find, pdftex docs say this program only cares for $TEXPSHEADERS. This should be matter to some coordination, to find a single place where all variables are situated in their precedence (you will not find a .afm in $TEXFONTS if $AFMFONTS is set and so on) and most wishfully an authoritative one. Or is this just a pdftex bug, a well documented one? -- Karsten Tinnefeld Silence is the perfectest herald of joy: I were but little happy, if I could say how much. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 11 13:34:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19310 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA06629 for pdftex-list; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from doraemon.bu.edu (root@DORAEMON.BU.EDU [128.197.128.77]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06625 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (yrchen@localhost) by doraemon.bu.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA19470 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:20:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ying-Jui Chen To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: updated epstopdf.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear folks, I noticed that epstopdf has been updated these days, and I tried to download it from http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf However, I found the version there is not yet updated. Where should I go in order to get a new one? Thank you very much! Yingjui Chen From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 12 02:41:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA09984 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA00877 for pdftex-list; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:17:07 -0400 Received: from bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (root@bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es [156.35.58.151]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00873 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 03:16:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (carmenes@localhost) by bioinf.medicina.uniovi.es (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA17706; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:54:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:54:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ricardo_S=E1nchez_C=E1rmenes?= To: Robert Howlett cc: Allin Cottrell , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SlantFont? In-Reply-To: <37384BC0.D4E1E17B@mail.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id DAA00875 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 May 1999, Robert Howlett wrote: > > > Allin Cottrell wrote: > > > > I recently updated to version 13d of pdftex. I _think_ I had > > slanted fonts working before, but they're not working now. Can > > anyone catch me up on map file usage? I have > > > > ptmro8r Times-Roman \ > > " .167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont " \ > > > > > in a relevant map file. I know the file is being read OK, but > > the text in question is not slanted in AcroRead (4beta, Linux). > > > > Allin Cottrell. > > > I think that SlantFont and ExtendFont used to work for me > with map file entries like > > ptmro8r Times-Roman "0.167 SlantFont" > pdftex I think does not care whether the "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" > bit is included or not. > But SlantFont and ExtendFont didn't seem to work for me in > a quick test I just did a minute ago. > > Bob Howlett Hi! The following line would do the job: ptmro8r Times-Roman-Slant "0.167 SlantFont" > (" Nuestra mania enseñante y pedantesca consiste siempre en enseñar a los niños lo que aprenderían mucho mejor por si mismos, y olvidar lo que sólo nosotros podríamos haberles enseñado. ") Jean-Jacques Rousseau (Émile ou de l'éducation). ============================================================== From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 12 02:48:08 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:root@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA10146 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA00529 for pdftex-list; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:07:48 -0400 Received: from samba.intra.jablotron.cz (gw.jablotron.cz [194.228.41.250]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00526 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:07:45 -0400 Received: from osoba.intra.jablotron.cz (osoba.intra.jablotron.cz [192.168.250.38]) by samba.intra.jablotron.cz with SMTP id IAA32148 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6 for ); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:33:36 +0200 Message-ID: <199905120633.IAA32148@samba.intra.jablotron.cz> From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:15:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SlantFont? Reply-to: Jiri Osoba In-reply-to: <37384BC0.D4E1E17B@mail.usyd.edu.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 12 May 99, at 1:24, Robert Howlett wrote: > Allin Cottrell wrote: > > > > I recently updated to version 13d of pdftex. I _think_ I had > > slanted fonts working before, but they're not working now. Can > > anyone catch me up on map file usage? I have > > > > ptmro8r Times-Roman \ > > " .167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont " \ > > > > I think that SlantFont and ExtendFont used to work for me > with map file entries like > > ptmro8r Times-Roman "0.167 SlantFont" > pdftex I think does not care whether the "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" > bit is included or not. But SlantFont and ExtendFont didn't seem to work > for me in a quick test I just did a minute ago. SlantFont and ExtendFont features work only with included PFBs (changing the FontMatrix). So you MUST have Times-Roman.pfb and include it into PDF. Jiri. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 12 08:50:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA19062 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA00983 for pdftex-list; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:22:03 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00980 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:21:59 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10hZtM-0005Sg-00; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:21:48 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10hZtL-00015Q-00; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:21:47 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14137.39986.295652.223534@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:20:18 +0000 (GMT) To: yrchen@doraemon.bu.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: updated epstopdf.... In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ying-Jui Chen writes: > I noticed that epstopdf has been updated these days, and > I tried to download it from > > http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf > apologies. I just put Heiko Oberdiek's version there I was hoping to amend it to allow multiple files on the command line, but I havent got around to that yet Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 12 08:53:51 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA19167 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA01074 for pdftex-list; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:34:02 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01071; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:34:00 -0400 Received: from n65-239.berlin.snafu.de ([194.42.65.239]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ha55-0000qS-00; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:33:57 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org, tex-k@tug.org Subject: pdftex goes to disk for vf files From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:33:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1drp8qj.1cbcp796kg3mqM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk [ Sent to both the pdftex and tex-k lists since I'm not sure whose problem it is. ] While working on my Mac port of web2c 7.3 and pdftex 0.13d, I noticed the following: Pdftex uses open_input() to open .vf files, which in turn calls kpse_find_file() with `must_exist' being true, which means that during a typical pdftex run a _lot_ of time is spent searching the disk for vf files that don't exist (unless all texmf trees are preceeded with !! in texmf.cnf). I wonder why nobody has noticed this yet, it seems like a pretty big problem to me. It seems that the problem can be solved by changing the line boolean must_exist = filefmt != kpse_tex_format || texinputtype; to boolean must_exist = (filefmt != kpse_tex_format || texinputtype) && filefmt != kpse_vf_format; in texk/web2c/lib/openclose.c (and I can't think of any damage this might do otherwise). Any comments? -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 12 16:20:32 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA03124 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA02170 for pdftex-list; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:08:00 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02167 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:07:57 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.249]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA37AE; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:07:23 +0200 Message-ID: <3739EDB0.C644D419@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:08:00 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez=20C=E1rmenes?=" CC: Robert Howlett , Allin Cottrell , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: SlantFont? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id SAA02168 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ricardo Sánchez Cármenes wrote: > All this can be more or less deduced from the pdftex manual, although I do > not remember if it explicitelly explained. Concerning fonts one has to keep in mind that intrying to be clever, acrobat and especially caching can lead to confusing situations. Using a different font name as well as prefixing embedded ones with unique strings helps a lot. When including a font with a different font matrix, quite some overhead is involved, because for instance the 'width array' is not calculated runtime but hard coded. As a result, using the same font twice with a different font transform matrix results in duplicating a lot of data. This is one of the reasons why the pseudo hz method has to include so many instances. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 13 16:38:53 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA11274 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA04682 for pdftex-list; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:30:21 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04679 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:30:19 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990513223017.SWNA9170.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com> for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:30:17 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Layers? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:31:00 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <373b4eaf.272254@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id SAA04680 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have a problem and I wonder if there is an easy fix to it with some PDF primitives. What I need to do is put out text on a colored background. I have this partially working. You can see an example and the problem I have run into at the following URL: http://www.lexis-nexis.com/lncc/literature/directory/health.pdf If you go to page 2, and zoom in to the first entry with the yellow highlight. Here is the problem, if you notice, the colored highlight is clipping off the descenders of the previous line. My typesetting algorithm puts each entry into a vbox. I then surround the vbox with a colored rule; something like this: \line{\Yellow\vrule width \Black\hsize\hss\box0} (can't remember the exact code, but is almost works). The problem is the previous line is contributed to the page, then the rule is set, then the text for the line is set. The rule overlays the descenders of the previous line clipping them off. Without a major rewrite, I cannot figure out how not to overwrite the previous lines descenders; unless there is some feature in a PDF to allow me to specify some sort of layering. I thought it was worth at least asking the question. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 14 07:53:25 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA00707 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA05766 for pdftex-list; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:28:48 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05763 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:28:44 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.31]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6C1C; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:28:11 +0200 Message-ID: <373BE2FF.C968E824@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:46:55 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Layers? References: <373b4eaf.272254@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > Without a major rewrite, I cannot figure out how not to overwrite the > previous lines descenders; unless there is some feature in a PDF to allow me > to specify some sort of layering. Not in pdftex, maybe transparant colors would help. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 14 11:15:38 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA06773 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06178 for pdftex-list; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:05:07 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06175 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:05:05 -0400 Received: from default ([130.101.2.189]) by uakron.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA11363 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905141705.NAA11363@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:01:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pdfscreen.sty Reply-to: story@uakron.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id NAA06176 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi All; I've been checking out the pdfscreen package, and encountered certain errors that have already been documented by Wang (See the thread "About Pdfscreen Package"), and corrected by F. Pétiard. These corrections have not been made to the published pdfscreen package. I bring this to your attention because I was testing my own packages (Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty) with the new pdftex option, and wanted to see whether Exerquiz.sty worked with pdfscreen.sty. It does with the corrections, but can we expect every user of pdfscreen do the research to find the fixes? Shouldn't the author make these corrections? (Note: Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty available for dvipsone and dvips. The pdftex option not quite ready to go.) dps Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 14 11:59:44 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA08008 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06388 for pdftex-list; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:52:25 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06384 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:52:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28417; Fri, 14 May 1999 23:26:20 +0530 (IST) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:26:20 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: "D. P. Story" cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfscreen.sty In-Reply-To: <199905141705.NAA11363@uakron.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by tug.org id NAA06386 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 May 1999, D. P. Story wrote: > Hi All; > > I've been checking out the pdfscreen package, and encountered > certain errors that have already been documented by Wang > (See the thread "About Pdfscreen Package"), and corrected by > F. Pétiard. Apologies. The pressures at work has compelled me to postpone a day, a day... Will update right now. Radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 14 16:53:52 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA15059 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA06936 for pdftex-list; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:44:12 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06933 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:44:08 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA13482; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:44:12 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: eps -> pdf -> pdfimage (core) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 14 May 1999 18:44:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of "Wed, 12 May 1999 15:20:18 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've been getting consistent core dumps from several programs, and I'm not sure why. I go to xfig, export a _very_ simple figure (like a single word "foo" or a single circle) to an .eps file. Then gv displays the .eps file just fine, so I run epstopdf. xpdf dumps core when I try to view the resulting pdf file. acroread says: There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be opened because it has no pages. pdftex dumps core when I include the image with this code and run pdftex: \pdfimage {/home/ecashin/images/jen.pdf} \bye (This is the message:) pdftex pdfimage This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13c (Web2C 7.3) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg) (pdfimage.tex Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n ohyphenation, loaded. make: *** [pdfimage.pdf] Segmentation fault (core dumped) Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Fri May 14 18:31:40 I'm using the latest epstopdf from http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf ... also ... Xfig 3.2 patchlevel 2 (Protocol 3.2) acroread 3.0 pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c Linux RedHat 5.2 with source build of teTeX 0.9 I have put the files at this temporary location if that will help: http://www.coe.uga.edu/~ecashin/temp/ -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 14 17:25:59 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA15710 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA07157 for pdftex-list; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:22:00 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07153 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:21:57 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FBQ00K01WWJVI@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FBQ00IO7WWJNW@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 14 May 1999 19:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: eps -> pdf -> pdfimage (core) In-reply-to: To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, It appears that epstopdf on your machine is using gs 4.03 to produce the PDF files that you want to include. You might want to upgrade to gs 5.50. Using the EPS files you made available, I was able to produce PDF files with epstopdf (using gs 5.50) that pdftex 0.13d accepted. The results previewed fine in AR 4.0 and xpdf 0.80. Tom > > I've been getting consistent core dumps from several programs, and I'm > not sure why. > > I go to xfig, export a _very_ simple figure (like a single word "foo" > or a single circle) to an .eps file. > > Then gv displays the .eps file just fine, so I run epstopdf. xpdf > dumps core when I try to view the resulting pdf file. acroread says: > There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be > opened because it has no pages. > > pdftex dumps core when I include the image with this code and run > pdftex: > \pdfimage {/home/ecashin/images/jen.pdf} > \bye > > (This is the message:) > pdftex pdfimage > This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13c (Web2C 7.3) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg) (pdfimage.tex > Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n > ohyphenation, loaded. > make: *** [pdfimage.pdf] Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Fri May 14 18:31:40 > > > I'm using the latest epstopdf from > http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf > ... also ... > Xfig 3.2 patchlevel 2 (Protocol 3.2) > acroread 3.0 > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13c > Linux RedHat 5.2 with source build of teTeX 0.9 > > I have put the files at this temporary location if that will help: > http://www.coe.uga.edu/~ecashin/temp/ > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 15 13:50:16 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA07041 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 13:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA08294 for pdftex-list; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:40:59 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08291 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:40:57 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21511; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:41:02 -0400 To: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: eps -> pdf -> pdfimage (core) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) In-Reply-To: Tom Kacvinsky's message of "Fri, 14 May 1999 19:21:55 -0400 (EDT)" User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 15 May 1999 15:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 24 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky writes: > Hi, > > It appears that epstopdf on your machine is using gs 4.03 to produce > the PDF files that you want to include. You might want to upgrade to > gs 5.50. > > Using the EPS files you made available, I was able to produce PDF > files with epstopdf (using gs 5.50) that pdftex 0.13d accepted. The > results previewed fine in AR 4.0 and xpdf 0.80. Whoohoo! Now everything works great! It was a bit weird installing it, though. Anyone else who tries this on a RedHat 5.2-type box may be interested to know that the rpm for gs5.50 expects the newer kernel and glibc packages to be there, and the dependencies will kill you--just go to RH6.0 or do what I did: get the source for gs5.50 and uninstall the gs rpms before you do the "make install". -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 16 08:13:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA26981 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 08:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA09739 for pdftex-list; Sun, 16 May 1999 10:00:22 -0400 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09736 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 10:00:20 -0400 Received: from silicon.tue.nl [131.155.2.10] by mailhost.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id QAA25802 (ESMTP). Sun, 16 May 1999 16:00:19 +0200 (MDT) Received: from n58.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.57] by silicon.tue.nl (8.8.8) for id QAA18813 (SMTP). Sun, 16 May 1999 16:00:17 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905161400.QAA18813@silicon.tue.nl> From: "Marco van de Voort" To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:58:25 +0100 Subject: (la)tex commands in bookmarks. In-reply-to: <199905141705.NAA11363@uakron.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk PDFTEX version: 0.12h (shipped with RedHat 5.2) I modified a third party TEX document for Pdftex. All worked fine, except for that they use commands like \texttt in their chaptertitles. This works fine in the "normal" (TOC?), anyway generated by makeindex, but it goes wrong when generating the bookmarks. Is there a remedy (helper script, newer version, anything?) Marco van de Voort (MarcoV@Stack.nl) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 16 09:10:32 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27956 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 09:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09970 for pdftex-list; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:01:04 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA09967 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 11:01:02 -0400 Received: from remote142-49.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.49] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10j2PT-0002DW-00; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:01:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990516170031.356fba02@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:00:31 +0200 To: "Marco van de Voort" , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: (la)tex commands in bookmarks. In-Reply-To: <199905161400.QAA18813@silicon.tue.nl> References: <199905141705.NAA11363@uakron.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 15:58 16.05.1999 +0100, Marco van de Voort wrote: >PDFTEX version: 0.12h (shipped with RedHat 5.2) It looks very old, the current version is 0.13d >All worked fine, except for that they use commands like \texttt in their chaptertitles. >This works fine in the "normal" (TOC?), anyway generated by makeindex, but it >goes wrong when generating the bookmarks. Use an uptodate hyperref (v6.56). Some commands like \texttt are handled, so the source needs no changes. For other things like math you can specify a replacement for the bookmarks: \section{\texorpdfstring{$a^2+b^2=c^2$}{% a\texttwosuperior\ + b\texttwosuperior\ = c\texttwosuperior}} An alternative is package hypbmsec: \section(a\texttwosuperior\ + b\texttwosuperior\ = c\texttwosuperior)% {$a^2+b^2=c^2$} Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 03:08:24 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA19101 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 03:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA12514 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 04:52:30 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA12511 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 04:52:27 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26063; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:52:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20475; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:52:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905170852.KAA20475@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Printing problems In-Reply-To: <1drn9m0.fcvngyfwt9v4M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> from Stefan Haller at "May 11, 99 02:34:39 pm" To: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:52:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > The problem for Stefan is that if the PFB file > > does not have the line > > > > 0 1 255 {1 index exch /.notdef put} for > > > > the resulting PDF file will not have that line. This is what is > > causing the problems for Stefan when using the PFB file and trying > > to view the resulting PDF file in GhostScript (or print it). > > Do you have any suggestions what I might do about this? I tried > inserting that line into the pdf file manually; it still displays fine > in Acrobat; GS still quits without an error, but no longer even renders > the page partially. But then, I may easily have messed something up > while editing the pdf file. I was away last week so coundn't reply any question about pdftex. Can you send me the font so I can do some experiments with that? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 04:28:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA20569 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 04:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA12984 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:12:34 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA12981 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:12:31 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06835 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:12:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26964 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:12:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905171012.MAA26964@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: The good name of TeX (fwd) To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:12:30 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I got a message concerning error messages of pdftex: > In 1990 Donald Knuth asked the TeX community (the members of TUG > actually) to put "severe pressure on any person of group who produces > any incompatible system and calls it TeX or METAFONT or Computer Modern > --- no matter how slight the incompatibility might seem." > > He said this because he wanted TeX, METAFONT and Computer Modern to be > regarded as "fixed points, which should give the same results 100 years > from now that they produce today." > > pdfTeX, which is widely used and well appreciated, is such an > incompatible system, and its author Han The Thanh quite rightly has > found another name for his program, namely pdfTeX. > > But is this enough? Appended is an error message from pdfTeX, as > recently posted to this newsgroup. But unless you were told you this, > you would not know. You would have assumed that it is TeX producing the > error. > > It is not TeX reporting an error, but pdfTeX. It is my view that this > error message should be changed, to reflect this fact. > > ========== > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=300]. > ========= I don't think that it is necessary to change the error message to ! pdfTeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=300] or something alike, however it may be better to do so. What do you think of it? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 05:08:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA21331 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 05:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA13116 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:55:32 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13113 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:55:30 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12768; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:55:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04645; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:55:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905171055.MAA04645@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: map search path In-Reply-To: <199905111852.UAA17838@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> from Karsten Tinnefeld at "May 11, 99 08:52:37 pm" To: tinnefeld@noether.cs.uni-dortmund.de Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:55:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > The environment variable system about KB's library is really valuable, > on the other hand, it produces the longest lasting problems - at least > at my side, where we cannot do without setting some of these $TEX... > variables for the sake of a partly local, partly read-only installation. > > Today, I fought pdftex.map. I have a nice poster on some wall, made of > TUGboat 19(1), p. 30, listing all these variables, and having .map > files listed only under $TEXFONTMAPS. Now I find, pdftex docs say this > program only cares for $TEXPSHEADERS. This should be matter to some > coordination, to find a single place where all variables are situated > in their precedence (you will not find a .afm in $TEXFONTS if $AFMFONTS > is set and so on) and most wishfully an authoritative one. > > Or is this just a pdftex bug, a well documented one? TEXFONTMAPS is used for the map files that come with fontmap. That's a bit confused that both map files for font downloading and font naming have the same prefix `.map'. I don't feel myself as the person who can/should solve it. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 06:02:09 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA22274 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA13376 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:43:00 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13373 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:42:57 -0400 Received: from n247-174.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.247.174]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10jLnJ-0003qY-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:42:53 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Cc: thanh@informatics.muni.cz (Han The Thanh) In-Reply-To: <199905170852.KAA20475@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Printing problems From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: <1dryad3.i1vzgt1lc70s8M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > I was away last week so coundn't reply any question about pdftex. Can you > send me the font so I can do some experiments with that? It turned out that Tom's guess was right. A font that lacks the line 0 1 255 {1 index exch /.notdef put} for after "/Encoding 256 array" will cause problems in GS 5.10 and on some PS printers. If you add this line, all is well. It might be a good idea for pdftex to add this line to the pdf file if the font doesn't have it. If you still want the font for testing, let me know. Another problem: I came across a font that has a FontBBox like this: /FontBBox { -487 -499 1250 1133 } readonly def The Font was created with FontLab 3.0. Pdftex doesn't parse this correctly because of the space after the opening bracket. The following simple patch should fix this: *** writet1.c.old Mon May 10 14:27:40 1999 --- writet1.c Mon May 17 13:39:18 1999 *************** *** 366,371 **** --- 366,373 ---- if (k == FONTBBOX1_CODE) { for (i = 0; i < 4; i++) { + while (*p == ' ') + p++; key[i].value.i = atoi(p); if (*p == '-') p++; while (isdigit(*p++)); -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 06:32:51 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA22860 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA13580 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:21:46 -0400 Received: from mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.129]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13577 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:21:40 -0400 Received: from spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.19]) by mailserver2.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23178; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:20:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.5.40]) by spelunke.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17238; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:14 +0200 Received: (from gunterma@localhost) by sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA04132; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: Klaus Guntermann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: The good name of TeX (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199905171012.MAA26964@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199905171012.MAA26964@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15p5 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh writes: > I got a message concerning error messages of pdftex: [...] > > It is not TeX reporting an error, but pdfTeX. It is my view that this > > error message should be changed, to reflect this fact. > > > > ========== > > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=300]. > > ========= > > I don't think that it is necessary to change the error message to > > ! pdfTeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=300] > > or something alike, however it may be better to do so. What do you > think of it? If one can see the complete log file, it will be obvious that pdfTeX was run. Thus I do not really see a reason to update this message. But I would like to see the following messages changed: ! tex.pool has no check sum. ! tex.pool check sum doesn't have nine digits. ! tex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). ! tex.pool line doesn't begin with two digits. ! I can't read tex.pool; bad path? The reason is (maybe) obvious? pdftex looks for pdftex.pool, not for tex.pool, which may be present and/or correct when any of these messages are produced by pdftex. BTW: Thanks for pdftex. Klaus -- Klaus Guntermann FG Systemprogrammierung, FB Informatik, TU Darmstadt Wilhelminenstr. 7, D-64283 Darmstadt From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 07:38:00 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA24257 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA14134 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:27:59 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14130 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:27:55 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10jNQt-0000dw-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:27:51 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10jNQt-0003wh-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:27:51 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14144.9993.822558.284040@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:26:17 +0000 (GMT) To: guntermann@iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de Cc: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: The good name of TeX (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <199905171012.MAA26964@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Klaus Guntermann writes: > But I would like to see the following messages changed: > ! tex.pool has no check sum. > ! tex.pool check sum doesn't have nine digits. > ! tex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). > ! tex.pool line doesn't begin with two digits. > ! I can't read tex.pool; bad path? > The reason is (maybe) obvious? pdftex looks for pdftex.pool, not for > tex.pool, which may be present and/or correct when any of these > messages are produced by pdftex. I agree with this. I have had to explain this business to people on more than one occasion Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 07:02:38 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23456 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA13700 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:43:25 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13697 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:43:24 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.84]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA263A; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:42:50 +0200 Message-ID: <37400E90.CCA7B880@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:41:52 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdfTeX Subject: Re: The good name of TeX (fwd) References: <199905171012.MAA26964@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > It is not TeX reporting an error, but pdfTeX. It is my view that this > > error message should be changed, to reflect this fact. > > > > ========== > > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=300]. > > ========= > > I don't think that it is necessary to change the error message to > > ! pdfTeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=300] > > or something alike, however it may be better to do so. What do you think of it? I see no real reason to change that, unless etex, mltex, omega, yandytex, textures, emtex, vtex, etc etc etc also have changed that. The banner identifies the tex derivate clearly enough. The only moment pdftex is actually exceeding capacity is the object table size. In principle, one could wonder if web2c tex may be called tex, because it changes some parameters and has some non standard file handling. On the other hand, knuth explicitly mentions the possibility to change parameters as well as platform dependant things. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 07:04:47 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23538 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA13782 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:49:58 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13779 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:49:53 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id NAA18876; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:49:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:49:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905171249.NAA18876@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> (message from Klaus Guntermann on Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:13 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: The good name of TeX (fwd) References: <199905171012.MAA26964@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > If one can see the complete log file, it will be obvious that pdfTeX > was run. Thus I do not really see a reason to update this message. I agree. In fact changing the message makes it that much harder for tex shells and other programs. which are probably looking for tex error messages explicitly. > But I would like to see the following messages changed: > ! tex.pool This seems like a good idea, since as you say tex.pool isn't used but pdftex.pool is. David (Just installed texlive4 so I'm back with a newish pdftex again!!) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 07:45:43 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA24456 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 07:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA14209 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:36:38 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14206 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:36:36 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07100 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:36:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JBB4UJT766001SDC@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:36:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:36:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: The good name of TeX (fwd) In-reply-to: <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14144.14218.169860.11489@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199905171012.MAA26964@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Klaus> If one can see the complete log file, it will be obvious Klaus> that pdfTeX was run. Thus I do not really see a reason to Klaus> update this message. Agree on this. It just gives a lot of unnececary clutter in the change file (since of course you need to keep the old message as well for use when \pdfoutput = 0) Klaus> But I would like to see the following messages changed: ! Klaus> tex.pool has no check sum. ! tex.pool check sum doesn't Agree on this too. These messages are slightly confusing. Changing the messages into 'pdf(e)tex.pool' or 'pool file' sounds like a good idea to me. (although this also clutters the change file) Greetings, Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 08:08:57 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA24970 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 08:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA14327 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:44:46 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14323 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:44:44 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07765 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:44:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JBB54E3090001SDC@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:44:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:44:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Printing problems In-reply-to: <1dryad3.i1vzgt1lc70s8M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14144.14694.260562.491418@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199905170852.KAA20475@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <1dryad3.i1vzgt1lc70s8M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Haller writes: Stefan> after "/Encoding 256 array" will cause problems in GS 5.10 Stefan> and on some PS printers. If you add this line, all is Stefan> well. It might be a good idea for pdftex to add this line Stefan> to the pdf file if the font doesn't have it. This problem keeps cropping up :( According to Adobe's Red Book, the /Encoding array should *always* be filled: "All unused positions in an encoding vector must be filled with the name .notdef" (page 271 in the 2nd edition) Since a subset font is still a valid PostScript font, this rule also applies to those. There are some PS interpreters that allow sparse arrays for /Encoding (most notably ATM and GS), but they are definately wrong. Stefan> Another problem: I came across a font that has a FontBBox Stefan> like this: Stefan> /FontBBox { -487 -499 1250 1133 } readonly def Stefan> The Font was created with FontLab 3.0. Pdftex doesn't Stefan> parse this correctly because of the space after the Stefan> opening bracket. The following simple patch should fix Stefan> this: Stefan> *** writet1.c.old Mon May 10 14:27:40 1999 --- writet1.c ... Unsure who is maintaining this portion of dvips at the moment, but that fix should be applied to dvips as well. Greetings, Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 10:04:26 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA28047 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA15196 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:39:44 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15193 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:39:41 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05447; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:39:43 -0400 To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: usage of supp-pdf macros for METAPOST inclusion References: <199902232107.NAA01323@tashkent.berkeley.edu> <36D33820.F6DCDA8E@apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 17 May 1999 11:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 68 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am enthusiastic about using metapost and pdftex together after seeing several posts where people were recommending it as a way of getting graphics into pdf documents. I would like to use Hans Hagen's macros in supp-pdf.tex to include MP figures in my plain TeX code. On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:48:03 +0100, in a message regarding "Re: How to add pdf images?", Hans Hagen , writes: > You don't have to convert MP files, because tex can do the job itself. > The macro package you use is supposed to support this. If you use > plain and wantto do it directly, just \input the supp-pdf module and > use > > \convertMPtoPDF {filename} {x scale} {y scale} That's exactly what I would like to do. I have a trivial metapost figure: beginfig(1); a = 2cm; draw (0,0)--(a,0)--(0,a); endfig; end ... in it's simple.mp source file, and I have the following TeX code: \input supp-pdf \convertMPtoPDF {simple.mp} {1}{1} \bye ... but I get this error: kali:3:ecashin pdftex-simple$ pdftex simple This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13c (Web2C 7.3) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg) (simple.tex Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n ohyphenation, loaded. (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-pdf.tex (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/context/base/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF ) [MP to PDF simple.mp] (simple.mp Runaway argument? ! Paragraph ended before \handleMPsequence was complete. \par l.8 % ? Is there a problem with the way I am using the supp-pdf macros? I tried to read the source file but the comments there addressed the workings of the macros themselves rather than how to use them. P.S. -- What do I have to do to be able to use the \PDFTEX\ and \METAPOST\ macros? -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 10:38:48 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA29043 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA15390 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:23:46 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15387 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:23:42 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.124]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6861; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:23:10 +0200 Message-ID: <374041E1.DE7F1F1A@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:20:50 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ed L. Cashin" Subject: Re: usage of supp-pdf macros for METAPOST inclusion References: <199902232107.NAA01323@tashkent.berkeley.edu> <36D33820.F6DCDA8E@apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin wrote: > ... in it's simple.mp source file, and I have the following TeX code: > > \input supp-pdf > > \convertMPtoPDF {simple.mp} {1}{1} You are loading the MP file. Run MetaPost first : mpost simple Then include : simple.1 so, after running MP, change .mp in the tex file into .1 Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 16:22:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA14061 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA16285 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:13:56 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16282 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:13:50 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10jVdr-0003wC-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:13:47 +0100 Received: from max83.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.83] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10jVdr-0006yi-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:13:47 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14144.37662.407600.427855@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:07:26 +0100 (BST) To: sinclair@mat.dtu.dk Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref with pdfview=XYZ In-Reply-To: <199902240955.KAA27817@wessel.mat.dtu.dk> References: <199902240955.KAA27817@wessel.mat.dtu.dk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Michael Sinclair (PHj) wrote (some time ago): > and have a problem with links to equations. If I have a file like > > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage[pdftex,pdfstartview=FitBH,pdfview=XYZ]{hyperref} > \begin{document} > Here is an equation: > \begin{equation} > E=mc^2 > \label{FIRST} > \end{equation} > The first equation is (\ref{FIRST}). > \end{document} > > (the problem also occurs for more complex examples) > then clicking on the link to equation (1) puts this equation just > out of sight above the top of the screen (try it: the next version of hyperref (6.57, in a day or two) raises all equation anchors by \baselineskip, to cope (partially and crudely) with this problem. I hope it doesnt break _too_ much. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 17 20:24:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA20282 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:24:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA16738 for pdftex-list; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:14:19 -0400 Received: from jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp (jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp [157.13.51.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16735 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:14:16 -0400 Received: by jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.6W-kfsci) id LAA04506; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:14:36 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199905180214.LAA04506@jupiter.fsci.fuk.kindai.ac.jp> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: The good name of TeX (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:13 +0200 (MET DST)" References: <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:14:35 +0900 From: Akira KAKUTO Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Klaus Guntermann Subject: Re: The good name of TeX (fwd) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <199905171221.OAA04132@sprudel.iti.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> > ... > If one can see the complete log file, it will be obvious that pdfTeX > was run. Thus I do not really see a reason to update this message. > > But I would like to see the following messages changed: > ! tex.pool has no check sum. > ! tex.pool check sum doesn't have nine digits. > ! tex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). > ! tex.pool line doesn't begin with two digits. > ! I can't read tex.pool; bad path? > The reason is (maybe) obvious? pdftex looks for pdftex.pool, not for > tex.pool, which may be present and/or correct when any of these > messages are produced by pdftex. The same problem also exists in e-TeX 2.1. An easy way for users, until corrections are made, will be to edit the Makefile to make web2c/etex.ch : ... mv etex.ch etex.tmp sed 's/ tex\.pool/ etex.pool/g' etex.tmp >etex.ch rm etex.tmp From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 18 02:04:57 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA27606 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 02:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA17414 for pdftex-list; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:42:33 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA17411 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:42:30 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18361 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:42:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02081 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:42:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905180742.JAA02081@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: The good name of TeX To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:42:24 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > But I would like to see the following messages changed: > ! tex.pool has no check sum. > ! tex.pool check sum doesn't have nine digits. > ! tex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). > ! tex.pool line doesn't begin with two digits. > ! I can't read tex.pool; bad path? > The reason is (maybe) obvious? pdftex looks for pdftex.pool, not for > tex.pool, which may be present and/or correct when any of these > messages are produced by pdftex. ok, will be fixed in next release (0.13e) Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 18 03:20:09 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA29025 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA17721 for pdftex-list; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:03:01 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA17718 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:02:58 -0400 Received: from n31-169.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.31.169]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10jfm4-0004cH-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:02:56 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <14144.14694.260562.491418@localhost> Subject: Re: Printing problems From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:02:52 +0200 Message-ID: <1drzy8s.r9dzfm11gvo28M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Stefan> Another problem: I came across a font that has a FontBBox > Stefan> like this: > > Stefan> /FontBBox { -487 -499 1250 1133 } readonly def > > Stefan> The Font was created with FontLab 3.0. Pdftex doesn't > Stefan> parse this correctly because of the space after the > Stefan> opening bracket. The following simple patch should fix > Stefan> this: > > > Stefan> *** writet1.c.old Mon May 10 14:27:40 1999 --- writet1.c > ... > > Unsure who is maintaining this portion of dvips at the moment, but > that fix should be applied to dvips as well. As far as I can see, dvips doesn't have a problem with this. -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 18 12:41:28 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA12812 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA20506 for pdftex-list; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:21:12 -0400 Received: from lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:sanders@lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.96.32]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20503 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:21:10 -0400 Received: (from sanders@localhost) by lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27016; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:21:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:21:06 -0400 From: Michael Sanders To: "D. P. Story" Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: About Pdfscreen Package Message-ID: <19990518142106.J25960@umich.edu> Reply-To: Michael Sanders Mail-Followup-To: "D. P. Story" , pdftex@tug.org References: <199905141705.NAA11363@uakron.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: D. P. Story of Fri, May 14, 1999 at 01:01:44PM -0400 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have messaged the author of pdfscreen about an apparent problem with \thanks used in a title. Pdflatex (but not latex) bombs with the message: pdfTeX error (ext4): link annotations can't be nested. \endgroup l.11 \maketitle ! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished! -- (T.) Michael Sanders internet: sanders@umich.edu Physics Department URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders University of Michigan phone: 734/936-0799 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1120 FAX: 734/764-6843 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 18 20:30:40 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA26153 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA21617 for pdftex-list; Tue, 18 May 1999 22:24:40 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21614 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 22:24:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23568; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:58:46 +0530 (IST) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:58:46 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Michael Sanders cc: "D. P. Story" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: About Pdfscreen Package In-Reply-To: <19990518142106.J25960@umich.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 May 1999, Michael Sanders wrote: > I have messaged the author of pdfscreen about an apparent problem with > \thanks used in a title. Pdflatex (but not latex) bombs with the > message: > > pdfTeX error (ext4): link annotations can't be nested. > > \endgroup > l.11 \maketitle > > ! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished! there is a hook in pdfscreen.sty. you can use \begin{print} \title{........\thanks{xxx}} \end{print} \begin{screen} \title{........} \thanks{xxx} \end{screen} this will work. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 18 22:12:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA28581 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 22:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22532 for pdftex-list; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:09:46 -0400 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22529; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:09:38 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25251; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m10jnrS-000clLC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Tue, 18 May 1999 19:41:02 +0200 (CEST) To: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Cc: pdftex@tug.org, tex-k@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex goes to disk for vf files References: <1drp8qj.1cbcp796kg3mqM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 18 May 1999 19:41:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: stk@snafu.de's message of "Wed, 12 May 1999 16:33:51 +0200" Message-ID: <87emkeqnrn.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 44 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Haller writes: > While working on my Mac port of web2c 7.3 and pdftex 0.13d, I noticed > the following: If you think there are source patches that can be usefully folded back into the main source tree, let me know. > Pdftex uses open_input() to open .vf files, which in turn calls > kpse_find_file() with `must_exist' being true, which means that during a > typical pdftex run a _lot_ of time is spent searching the disk for vf > files that don't exist (unless all texmf trees are preceeded with !! in > texmf.cnf). > I wonder why nobody has noticed this yet, it seems like a pretty big > problem to me. It doesn't seem to be as much of a problem on UNIX systems, possibly because their file systems handle this kind of thing reasonably well, and possibly because nearly everyone uses !! for the most densely populated trees. > It seems that the problem can be solved by changing the line > boolean must_exist = filefmt != kpse_tex_format || texinputtype; > to > boolean must_exist = (filefmt != kpse_tex_format || texinputtype) > && filefmt != kpse_vf_format; > in texk/web2c/lib/openclose.c (and I can't think of any damage this > might do otherwise). > Any comments? You've certainly got a point. The list of formats checked for at that point bears close scrutiny. -- Olaf Weber Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are quick to anger and have no need for subtlety. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 19 04:53:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA07375 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 04:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA25232 for pdftex-list; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:39:30 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA25229; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:39:28 -0400 Received: from n243-172.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.243.172]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10k3kz-00076b-00; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:39:25 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org, tex-k@tug.org In-Reply-To: <87emkeqnrn.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: pdftex goes to disk for vf files From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:39:26 +0200 Message-ID: <1ds1rc4.1plj6oy1jw8mfkM@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Olaf Weber wrote: > > I wonder why nobody has noticed this yet, it seems like a pretty big > > problem to me. > > It doesn't seem to be as much of a problem on UNIX systems, possibly > because their file systems handle this kind of thing reasonably well, If that's the case, I wonder why we have that ls-R stuff at all... > and possibly because nearly everyone uses !! for the most densely > populated trees. Personally I no longer see a reason for this, once the vf file searching of pdftex is fixed. -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 19 05:50:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA08466 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 05:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA25807 for pdftex-list; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:36:10 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25804 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:36:07 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10k4cn-0002GZ-00; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:35:01 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10k4cn-0006R2-00; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:35:01 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org cc: gurari@cis.ohio-state.edu, jc@biomath.jussieu.fr, thanh@informatics.muni.cz, story@uakron.edu, sojka@informatics.muni.cz, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, support@yandy.com, support@micropress.com Subject: hyperref 6.57 (test release) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:35:01 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk See http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip I would be glad to get some feedback on hyperref version 6.57, as I have made quite a number of changes: * add a new option hypertexnames. if it is set to `false', unique arbitrary names are given for anchors and links, to avoid any conflict caused by counters being redefined etc. Long overdue. * raise many anchors by \baselineskip (configurable); dangerous, but it is the only hope for XYZ views * stop defaulting papersize \special * make bookmarks use tocdepth not secnumdepth * Some fixes for AMS equations, will probably break something! * some characters changed, and some added, in PD1 encoding, to allow for silly behaviour of Acrobat, and to help Poles * a slew of small changes, from Heiko finding missing or extra spaces The first two of these are important, and possibly dangerous, impacting existing documents. But the first of them is potentially the biggest change to hyperref since I started work on it, as it breaks away from the HyperTeX conventions. Now you can have unique (meaningless) name assigned to anchors, preventing the confusion that often arises when people play games with LaTeX counters. There is a new documentation file, options.tex, a summary list of the 79 options available for hyperref. They are explained in more detail in the `LaTeX Web Companion', hitting the streets shortly. For those interested in the bookmarks in PDF, Heiko Oberdiek has written a detailed test file (testbmgl.tex). I strongly advise you to run this, and look at the PDF file in Acrobat, before raising new questions about the display of glyphs in bookmarks. Regrettably, I have NOT made things like \addcontentsline work properly; I know this is important, but I wanted to get this other stuff out of the way. Because of the changes, I need to let this sit in test phase for a while, but please do check it works. Sebastian Rahtz May 19 1999 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 19 06:04:27 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA08726 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 06:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA25905 for pdftex-list; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:49:34 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25894; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:49:15 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats [163.1.20.20]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA10872; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:49:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905191149.MAA10872@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:49:52 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian Ripley Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley Subject: Re: pdftex goes to disk for vf files To: pdftex@tug.org, tex-k@tug.org, stk@snafu.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: Jm1VNqCQ4ad2JxbzwziZ8Q== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > To: pdftex@tug.org, tex-k@tug.org > Subject: Re: pdftex goes to disk for vf files > From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) > Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:39:26 +0200 > User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 > > Olaf Weber wrote: > > > > I wonder why nobody has noticed this yet, it seems like a pretty big > > > problem to me. > > > > It doesn't seem to be as much of a problem on UNIX systems, possibly > > because their file systems handle this kind of thing reasonably well, > > If that's the case, I wonder why we have that ls-R stuff at all... Their local file systems may, but network-mounted ones do not handle it at all well. And !! makes a lot of difference on Windows 9x. > > and possibly because nearly everyone uses !! for the most densely > > populated trees. > > Personally I no longer see a reason for this, once the vf file searching > of pdftex is fixed. Try a Windows system with a samba-shared file system from a Unix host, or use a CD-ROM version of ftptex or teTeX (e.g. from TexLive 4), and you will appreciate it! -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 20 04:49:42 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA11407 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 04:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA03697 for pdftex-list; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:35:46 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA03688; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:35:26 -0400 Received: from max135.public.ox.ac.uk (max135.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.135]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA12895; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:36:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:33:41 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Robin Fairbairns cc: pdftex@tug.org, tex-k@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex goes to disk for vf files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 May 1999, Robin Fairbairns wrote: > brian ripley writes: > > > > Stefan Haller wrote: > > > > > Olaf Weber wrote: > > > > It doesn't seem to be as much of a problem on UNIX systems, possibly > > > > because their file systems handle this kind of thing reasonably well, > > > > > > If that's the case, I wonder why we have that ls-R stuff at all... > > > > Their local file systems may, but network-mounted ones do not handle it > > at all well. And !! makes a lot of difference on Windows 9x. > > !! makes a lot of difference on any system where stat() calls are > relatively expensive: in particular, i impose it on myself even on my > private tree here, since pretty much every filesystem is amd-mounted > nfs > > > > Personally I no longer see a reason for this, once the vf file searching > > > of pdftex is fixed. > > > > Try a Windows system with a samba-shared file system from a Unix host, > > or use a CD-ROM version of ftptex or teTeX (e.g. from TexLive 4), > > and you will appreciate it! > > berthold horn claims that ntfs is as good as (or better then) any unix > fs at coping with `large' lookups (i don't know how true this is; our > samba-sharing goes out from a rather crocked server, soon to be > replaced). nevertheless, i think the argument applies to any remote > mounted system. I was speaking from hands-on experience wth these systems. We have an eight-month-old lab running NT with a dedicated Sparc 1/170 server running samba, and 100 base T connections on a dedicated switch. Using a local disk (NTFS) without !! is fine but the TeX files are on the shared networked disks, and the performance hit from searching on the network even when there is just one user in the lab is very considerable. On my NT laptop NTFS does indeed cope with large searches as well as under Linux: it does apparently cache whole branches of the TDS tree to do so (that machine has 192Mb RAM, so caching 50Mb is acceptable). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 20 13:04:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA26648 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA04905 for pdftex-list; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:40:45 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04896; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:39:56 -0400 Received: from n37-21.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.37.21]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10kXjU-0001VK-00; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:39:52 +0200 To: tex-k@tug.org, pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: pdftex goes to disk for vf files From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:39:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1ds45bw.l2gu9m1l0c1v4M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robin Fairbairns wrote: > !! makes a lot of difference on any system where stat() calls are > relatively expensive: I must be missing something, but I just don't understand what difference it should make, provided that the ls-R files are up-to-date. Just for what kind of files can kpathsea possibly search the disk if you don't say `!!' ? It won't search for vf files (except pdftex, but I consider this a bug, and suggested a fix). It won't search for files read with \openin (i.e. IfFileExists et al). What other possibilities are there? (It will of course search the disk for files if you mistyped the file name, but it's not such a big problem whether you get the error prompt a second earlier or later, is it?) -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 21 00:47:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA14596 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 00:47:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA06599 for pdftex-list; Fri, 21 May 1999 02:31:35 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA06596; Fri, 21 May 1999 02:31:32 -0400 Received: from max122.public.ox.ac.uk (max122.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.122]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA15616; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:32:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:29:49 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Stefan Haller cc: tex-k@tug.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex goes to disk for vf files In-Reply-To: <1ds45bw.l2gu9m1l0c1v4M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 May 1999, Stefan Haller wrote: > Robin Fairbairns wrote: > > > !! makes a lot of difference on any system where stat() calls are > > relatively expensive: > > I must be missing something, but I just don't understand what difference > it should make, provided that the ls-R files are up-to-date. > > Just for what kind of files can kpathsea possibly search the disk if you > don't say `!!' ? > > It won't search for vf files (except pdftex, but I consider this a bug, > and suggested a fix). It won't search for files read with \openin (i.e. > IfFileExists et al). What other possibilities are there? > > (It will of course search the disk for files if you mistyped the file > name, but it's not such a big problem whether you get the error prompt a > second earlier or later, is it?) Or if the file does not exist on the system you are using (and do you know precisely which of the 10,000 or so files on CTAN you do have up on each of your systems?). We are not talking about a second here: searching a network-mounted file system can take minutes. (As one relevant anecdote: making an import library for a DLL containing ca 1300 objects takes 25 seconds on a local disc (Windows NT), 10 minutes on our network file system, and 8 hours when someone tried it on a public network file system >From Windows 95.) (And BTW I have just timed my UltraSparc 1/170: it took 1.8 secs to search for blah.tex for the first time on a local disc, and 11 seconds on the NFS mount from the dept's Unix server, and at this time in the morning the server and network are essentially unused. On what system did you time your one second?) The assumption that the ls-R files are up to date seems dubious: have you never added a LaTeX package and forgotten to update them? -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 21 01:02:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA14935 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA06849 for pdftex-list; Fri, 21 May 1999 02:55:07 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA06846 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 02:55:06 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09058 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:55:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JBGC0A2JB2001XI1@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:54:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:55:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: PDFzone To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14149.8055.871871.979419@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Small note: somebody (Thanh I presume) should add pdftex to the pdfzone index. http://www.pdfzone.com Greetings, Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 21 07:14:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23049 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 07:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA09170 for pdftex-list; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:51:24 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09167 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:51:20 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10kole-0007J2-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:51:14 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10kold-00052N-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:51:14 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref test version Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:51:14 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk anyone who picked up http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip should collect a new version, as there were a few errors Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 21 16:32:19 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA09166 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:32:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA10240 for pdftex-list; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:17:22 -0400 Received: from mail.biosgroup.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.161.38.125]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA10237 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:17:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 30121 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 21:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO biosgroup.com) (216.161.38.1) by 216.161.38.125 with SMTP; 21 May 1999 21:13:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:17:06 -0600 From: vince darley Reply-To: vince@biosgroup.com Organization: bios group, lp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've just started using pdflatex to convert my 300 page dissertation and am impressed by the ease with which 99% converted. I'm now trying to track down the few remaining problems: (i) A figure inserted with the 'floatingfigure' package simply isn't there (this is the package with lets a figure float inside a paragraph which wraps around it). In fact none of it, its caption, its \label exist (i.e. I get an undefined reference error too). (ii) Some of my figures are inserted with commands like: \includegraphics[bb=68 189 525 653,angle=90,width=2in,height=2in,clip=true]{q7outlov} because the figure contains some extraneous stuff I need to clip out. The original figure is .eps which I converted to .pdf using epstopdf. None of these 'clip=true' figures appear in the final .pdf document: (their caption, labels etc do, but not the figure itself). Now, reading the pdf faq, I see that there is a known problem with Distiller not setting .eps bounding boxes correctly (I'm not using Distiller mind you), which causes the embedded .pdf to extend beyond the page and "hence" not to show up. I guess what I need is a tool which will take my .eps files, the new bounding box info and create a new clipped .eps file which I can then convert to .pdf successfully. Is there anything out there which can do this? Would just editing the bbox in the .eps file do the trick too? thanks for any help with these two issues, Vince. p.s. I'm using the very latest latex/pdflatex/graphicx/epstopdf packages as of May 20th. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 22 02:34:48 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA22840 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA12109 for pdftex-list; Sat, 22 May 1999 04:23:01 -0400 Received: from nereus.informatik.uni-bonn.de (nereus.informatik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.5.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA12106 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 04:22:57 -0400 Received: from ascend-tk-p128.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ascend-tk-p128.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.128]) by nereus.informatik.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04096; Sat, 22 May 1999 10:23:29 +0200 (MET DST) To: pdftex@tug.org, oberdiek@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Heiko Oberdiek) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19990506082055.0897512e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: updated epstopdf which handles BoundingBox at end of file From: theisen@akaMail.com (Dirk Theisen) Reply-To: d.theisen@gmx.net Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:22:50 +0200 Message-ID: <1ds6nku.144l4b03g15d9M@ascend-tk-p128.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Organization: University of Bonn, Germany X-Face: A>UdQ5JqfgT,Wd>*+Kv~9k~bs($#KwbgEPwB:Lyt%64;Ibg0TzL~#M_V&W&:` Fl4J`)\fn~exqw1*Q?wSw54\{*y@Se7P@y/lG@0y#N^^WaCJ`MU\g|0i5MzDe/e5I14r T)y]N4`;#\>7k^#=V8"\;qB@-W*'WZ+d,{z|vTJK_t%xZ=@nLM$Y User-Agent: MacSOUP/D-2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have written a version that stores the input file position, looks > for the correspondending BoundingBox at the end (skipping BoundingBox > comments of included documents) and restore the file pointer. > If the program is run as filter, the (atend) feature is disabled, > because it isn't possible to go back in the file 'STDIN'. > > Additional: > * options for looking for %%HiresBoundingBox or > %%ExactBoundingBox instead of %%BoundingBox > * Looking for the BoundingBox comment only in the header. > * First comment (PostScript marker) can be only '%!' instead of '%!PS'. > * There can be no white space between the colon and the values: > Hi! I'm still having problems with that tool here (running on Linux). The EPS to convert is produced on a Mac using the LaserWriter 8 driver and looks like the one below. The version of epstopdf posted here recently warns that no bounding box was found. Conseqnetly I experience the same problem as the others: Full page graphics. Any ideas? Regards, Dirk %!PS-Adobe-3.0 EPSF-3.0 %%BoundingBox: 29 492 433 809 %%Title: (BalloonFigure) %%Creator: (ClarisImpact: LaserWriter 8 D1-8.6) %%CreationDate: (22:39 Uhr Mittwoch, 31. M\212rz 1999) %%For: (Dirk Theisen) %%Pages: 1 %%DocumentFonts: Helvetica %%DocumentNeededFonts: Helvetica %%DocumentSuppliedFonts: %%DocumentData: Clean7Bit %%PageOrder: Ascend %%Orientation: Portrait %%DocumentMedia: Default 595 842 0 () () %RBINumCopies: 1 %RBINupNess: 1 1 %ADO_ImageableArea: 29 31 567 812 %%EndComments %%BeginDefaults %%ViewingOrientation: 1 0 0 1 %%EndDefaults userdict/dscInfo 5 dict dup begin /Title(BalloonFigure)def /Creator(ClarisImpact: LaserWriter 8 D1-8.6)def /CreationDate(22:39 Uhr Mittwoch, 31. M\212rz 1999)def /For(Dirk Theisen)def /Pages 1 def end put %%BeginProlog /md 214 dict def md begin/currentpacking where {pop /sc_oldpacking currentpacking def true setpacking}if %%BeginFile: lw8_feature-1.01 %%Copyright: Copyright 1990-1998 Adobe Systems Incorporated and Apple Computer Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. /bd{bind def}bind def ... -- Buy a Pentium III now, get your personal Big Brother FREE!!! http://theisen.home.pages.de/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 22 08:33:00 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA00241 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 08:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA12470 for pdftex-list; Sat, 22 May 1999 09:21:11 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA12467 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 09:21:08 -0400 Received: from remote142-52.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.52] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10lBi6-00068l-00; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:21:06 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990522144948.36273fbe@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:49:48 +0200 To: d.theisen@gmx.net, pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: updated epstopdf which handles BoundingBox at end of file In-Reply-To: <1ds6nku.144l4b03g15d9M@ascend-tk-p128.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> References: <3.0.1.16.19990506082055.0897512e@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 10:22 22.05.1999 +0200, Dirk Theisen wrote: >I'm still having problems with that tool here (running on Linux). >The EPS to convert is produced on a Mac using the LaserWriter 8 driver >and looks like the one below. The version of epstopdf posted here >recently warns that no bounding box was found. Conseqnetly I experience >the same problem as the others: Full page graphics. Any ideas? >[...] >%!PS-Adobe-3.0 EPSF-3.0 >%%BoundingBox: 29 492 433 809 This could be a line ending problem: AFAIK on a Mac the line ending is a , Linux: , the perl script should be able to handle and . >%%DocumentData: Clean7Bit You have no binary stuff, so you can safely convert your eps files to Linux line endings (eg. with zip/unzip). Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 02:28:44 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA23598 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 02:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA15446 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:06:22 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15443 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:06:19 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15603 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:06:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01433 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:06:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905240806.KAA01433@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: automatic substitution of char 0--31 To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:06:04 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, the problem with printing PDF produced by pdftex are often caused by chars in range 0--31. I am thinking of automatic moving those to other range when possible inside pdftex. What do you think of it? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 03:09:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA24383 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 03:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA15551 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:46:13 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15548 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:46:12 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id JAA15756; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:45:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:45:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905240845.JAA15756@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199905240806.KAA01433@anxur.fi.muni.cz> (message from Han The Thanh on Mon, 24 May 1999 10:06:04 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: automatic substitution of char 0--31 References: <199905240806.KAA01433@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk do it! David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 03:16:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA24571 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 03:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA15520 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:38:41 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15517 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:38:38 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01814 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:36:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37491133.9130A210@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:43:31 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: web2c 7.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear pdfTeX people, Although I am happily using pdftex 0.13d on my win32 system, thanks to Fabrice, I would like to encourage people at my work place to adopt it. Our System Administrator kindly agreed to update our TeX installation, and duly downloaded web2c 7.2 from CTAN. Unfortunately, the pdfTeX included in this was 0.12h, which, as you know, is very old. web2c 7.3 is not on CTAN; it seems not to have been released officially. I saw a message a while ago saying that it exists at ftp.tug.org/private (or some such), but I am somewhat reluctant to urge the System Administrator to pinch something marked "private". When is web2c 7.3 due to be fully released? Alternatively, can one get a reasonably recent pdftex that will work with web2c 7.2? Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 03:46:24 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA25146 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 03:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA15822 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:23:29 -0400 Received: from samba.intra.jablotron.cz (gw.jablotron.cz [194.228.41.250]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA15818 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:23:26 -0400 Received: from osoba.intra.jablotron.cz (osoba.intra.jablotron.cz [192.168.250.38]) by samba.intra.jablotron.cz with SMTP id LAA18431 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6 for ); Mon, 24 May 1999 11:48:15 +0200 Message-ID: <199905240948.LAA18431@samba.intra.jablotron.cz> From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:23:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: automatic substitution of char 0--31 Reply-to: Jiri Osoba In-reply-to: <199905240806.KAA01433@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 24 May 99, at 10:06, Han The Thanh wrote: > Hi all, > > the problem with printing PDF produced by pdftex are often caused by chars > in range 0--31. I am thinking of automatic moving those to other range > when possible inside pdftex. What do you think of it? And what to do if font contains 256 glyphs? Where to move? Jiri. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 04:07:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA25566 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA16105 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:52:03 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA16102 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:52:01 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10lrOp-0006YG-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:51:59 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10lrOo-0007PF-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:51:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14153.11977.464298.523394@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:49:45 +0000 (GMT) To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <37491133.9130A210@mail.usyd.edu.au> References: <37491133.9130A210@mail.usyd.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett writes: > web2c 7.3 is not on CTAN; it seems not to have been released > officially. I saw a message a while ago saying that it exists > at ftp.tug.org/private (or some such), but I am somewhat reluctant > to urge the System Administrator to pinch something marked "private". > When is web2c 7.3 due to be fully released? Alternatively, can one get > a reasonably recent pdftex that will work with web2c 7.2? tell him/her to download teTeX-beta from CTAN. its very close to release, is web2c 7.3 and pdftex 0.13d. web2c 7.3 itself will not be released. its "checkpoint" is the sources on TeX Live 4, but Olaf Weber plans to release 7.3a or 7.3b at some point soon, with some later changes Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 04:34:42 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA26100 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA16251 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:11:24 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA16248 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:11:20 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03349; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:11:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12368; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:11:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905241011.MAA12368@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <37491133.9130A210@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 24, 99 06:43:31 pm" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:11:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Dear pdfTeX people, > > Although I am happily using pdftex 0.13d on my win32 system, > thanks to Fabrice, I would like to encourage people at my > work place to adopt it. Our System Administrator kindly agreed to > update our TeX installation, and duly downloaded web2c 7.2 from CTAN. > Unfortunately, the pdfTeX included in this was 0.12h, which, as > you know, is very old. > web2c 7.3 is not on CTAN; it seems not to have been released > officially. I saw a message a while ago saying that it exists > at ftp.tug.org/private (or some such), but I am somewhat reluctant > to urge the System Administrator to pinch something marked "private". > When is web2c 7.3 due to be fully released? Alternatively, can one get > a reasonably recent pdftex that will work with web2c 7.2? I would recommend downloading tetex (CTAN/systems/unix/teTeX-beta/teTeX-src-0.9.tar.gz), which contains web2c-7.3 as well as pdftex-0.13d Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 05:08:08 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA26752 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA16595 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:55:33 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA16588 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 06:55:29 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats [163.1.20.20]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA06101; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:56:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905241056.LAA06101@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:56:08 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian Ripley Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley Subject: Re: automatic substitution of char 0--31 To: pdftex@tug.org, osoba@jablotron.cz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: a395JHFzrgdfPAuq19QooQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Jiri Osoba" > To: pdftex@tug.org > Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:23:43 +0200 > Subject: Re: automatic substitution of char 0--31 > > On 24 May 99, at 10:06, Han The Thanh wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > the problem with printing PDF produced by pdftex are often caused by chars > > in range 0--31. I am thinking of automatic moving those to other range > > when possible inside pdftex. What do you think of it? > > And what to do if font contains 256 glyphs? Where to move? > Thanh did say `when possible': if there are no slots I think it is not possible! This sounds a very good idea to me. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 05:21:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA26996 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA16745 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:10:29 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16741 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:10:25 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats [163.1.20.20]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA06143; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:10:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:10:53 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian Ripley Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Cc: pdftex@tug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: sEFznADWGFUGZBCQ7Y+lzA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Sebastian Rahtz > Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:49:45 +0000 (GMT) > To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au > Cc: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 > > Robert Howlett writes: > > web2c 7.3 is not on CTAN; it seems not to have been released > > officially. I saw a message a while ago saying that it exists > > at ftp.tug.org/private (or some such), but I am somewhat reluctant > > to urge the System Administrator to pinch something marked "private". > > When is web2c 7.3 due to be fully released? Alternatively, can one get > > a reasonably recent pdftex that will work with web2c 7.2? > > tell him/her to download teTeX-beta from CTAN. its very close to > release, is web2c 7.3 and pdftex 0.13d. Some adminstrators, including at least one dept in this University (not mine), will not install beta software, and that includes the long-unreleased teTeX-0.9. On the time scale of teTeX-0.9, what does `very close' mean? I heard similar remarks in late 1998 (real time, not LaTeX time). > web2c 7.3 itself will not be released. its "checkpoint" is the sources on TeX > Live 4, but Olaf Weber plans to release 7.3a or 7.3b at some point > soon, with some later changes I have persuaded ours that TeXLive4 was a release (how do you work out that it was not a release of web2c 7.3?) and so to install that version, which is, I think, pdftex-0.13c (the fptex at least is). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 05:27:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA27136 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA16851 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:39 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16848 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:35 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10lsjb-0004BW-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:17:31 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10lsjb-0004oj-00; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:17:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14153.17111.482237.48004@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:15:19 +0000 (GMT) To: ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Cc: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Prof Brian Ripley writes: > Some adminstrators, including at least one dept in this University > (not mine), will not install beta software, and that includes the replace the administrator > I have persuaded ours that TeXLive4 was a release (how do you work out > that it was not a release of web2c 7.3?) it was. it was/is the only release of it. > and so to install that > version, which is, I think, pdftex-0.13c (the fptex at least is). yes, TL4 sources are 0.13c, which is fine sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 05:28:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA27154 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA16839 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:16:19 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16835 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:16:17 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11496; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:16:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18084; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:16:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905241116.NAA18084@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: automatic substitution of char 0--31 In-Reply-To: <199905240948.LAA18431@samba.intra.jablotron.cz> from Jiri Osoba at "May 24, 99 11:23:43 am" To: osoba@jablotron.cz Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:16:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > On 24 May 99, at 10:06, Han The Thanh wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > the problem with printing PDF produced by pdftex are often caused by chars > > in range 0--31. I am thinking of automatic moving those to other range > > when possible inside pdftex. What do you think of it? > > And what to do if font contains 256 glyphs? Where to move? "when possible" means there are enough free positions (at least 32). Otherwise we can do nothing with that. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 21 17:35:47 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA10728 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA10467 for pdftex-list; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:18:25 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA10464 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:18:23 -0400 Received: from remote142-133.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.133] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10kyYD-0002ES-00; Sat, 22 May 1999 01:18:04 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990522011740.3d8ff4dc@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:17:40 +0200 To: vince@biosgroup.com, pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files In-Reply-To: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 16:17 21.05.1999 -0600, vince darley wrote: >\includegraphics[bb=68 189 525 >653,angle=90,width=2in,height=2in,clip=true]{q7outlov} > >because the figure contains some extraneous stuff I need to clip out. >The original figure is .eps which I converted to .pdf using epstopdf. >None of these 'clip=true' figures appear in the final .pdf document: epstopdf checks for the %%BoundingBox comment and shifts the origin of the graphics, so that the lower left corner is 0 0. I would give the correct BoundingBox in a separate .bb file that can be used by the graphics-dvips driver (see grfguide). The graphics-pdftex driver then don't need a bouding box, because pdfTeX interprets the /MediaBox that is set by epstopdf. To specify a part of the figure the option "viewport" is the right choice. Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 07:12:56 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA29605 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA17798 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:49:50 -0400 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17795 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 08:49:48 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29249 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:49:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m10luC7-000d7pC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:51:03 +0200 (CEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <14153.17111.482237.48004@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 24 May 1999 14:51:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of "Mon, 24 May 1999 12:15:19 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: <87yaie4ond.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > Prof Brian Ripley writes: >> I have persuaded ours that TeXLive4 was a release (how do you work out >> that it was not a release of web2c 7.3?) > it was. it was/is the only release of it. Indeed, it's _the_ release of web2c 7.3. -- Olaf Weber Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are quick to anger and have no need for subtlety. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 24 07:58:19 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA00868 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA17960 for pdftex-list; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:14 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17957 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:13 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA26631; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:45:45 -0400 To: Prof Brian Ripley Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 24 May 1999 09:45:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley's message of "Mon, 24 May 1999 12:10:53 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Prof Brian Ripley writes: > Some adminstrators, including at least one dept in this University > (not mine), will not install beta software, and that includes the > long-unreleased teTeX-0.9. On the time scale of teTeX-0.9, what does > `very close' mean? I heard similar remarks in late 1998 (real time, > not LaTeX time). There has been a lot of discussion about teTeX 0.9 being called beta. It has been beta forever, and it is pretty derned stable. Personally, I don't think of it as beta--I think of it as a very well put together package. The whole system is very complex, and Esser has done a great job of making a coherent and usable distribution. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 25 02:36:23 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA01329 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA20221 for pdftex-list; Tue, 25 May 1999 04:22:33 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA20218 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 04:22:30 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18521; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:22:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA07880; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:32:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:32:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905250832.KAA07880@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk, rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <14153.17111.482237.48004@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <14153.17111.482237.48004@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » replace the administrator better to upgrade it with some enhanced beta revision... Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 25 03:32:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA02544 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA20421 for pdftex-list; Tue, 25 May 1999 05:21:18 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA20418 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 05:21:16 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.3]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA623F; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:20:43 +0200 Message-ID: <374A5A5F.12FE459C@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:07:59 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: automatic substitution of char 0--31 References: <199905240948.LAA18431@samba.intra.jablotron.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jiri Osoba wrote: > On 24 May 99, at 10:06, Han The Thanh wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > the problem with printing PDF produced by pdftex are often caused by chars > > in range 0--31. I am thinking of automatic moving those to other range > > when possible inside pdftex. What do you think of it? > > And what to do if font contains 256 glyphs? Where to move? That's the 'when possible' clause. I suggest to give moving the ascii space character position high priority because that's the most troublesome. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 25 11:43:05 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA15813 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA22976 for pdftex-list; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:22:40 -0400 Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca [142.176.61.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA22973 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:22:37 -0400 Received: id OAA11546; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:24:44 -0300 Received: by gateway id <01JBM8JSH4Q80009G8@BIONET.bio.dfo.ca> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:20:40 AST Received: by gateway id ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:21:03 -0300 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:20:51 -0300 From: "Smith, Stephen" Subject: Printing pdfLatex file to a postscript printer from acrobat reade r To: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am new to this list and after a quick search through the list archives it appears that while my problem may not be unique but I have yet to find a definitive answer: First some background pdfTex: pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (MiKTeX 1.20a) (preloaded format=latex 1999.4.20) OS: Win 95 OSR2 platform; PII 350 Printer: Lexmark Optra S 1650 PS Printer driver: ADOBEPS4.DRV, VERSION 4.00 epstopdf.pl: $filedate="1998/10/22"; $fileversion="2.4"; thumbpdf.pl: 1993/03/12, v 1.3 I have constructed a rather large pdf document using pdfLaTeX which includes text, tables and figures. The latter were created using mainly splus and adobe illustrator to export to eps and then the epstopdf.pl script was used to convert to pdf. I can view the entire document quite nicely using acrobat reader (version 3.0 or 4.0) but get postscript errors on the third graph and the rest of the print job flushes. The error is as follows: ERROR: stackoverflow OFFENDING COMMAND: --nostringval-- STACK: Now if compile the document using LaTeX and the eps figures, the whole document prints out fine. The pdf file for the third figure by itself displays and prints from acrobat reader. However, if I print the third figure to a ps file using acrobat reader (version 3.0, using postscript level 2) and then view using ghostview I get the following error: Loaded Ghostscript DLL C:\GSTOOLS\gs5.50\gsdll32.dll Aladdin Ghostscript 5.50 (1998-9-11) Copyright (C) 1998 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. Displaying DSC file C:/Acrobat3/Reader/PLUG_INS/page15.eps Displaying page 1 Loading NimbusMonL-Regu font from C:\GSTOOLS\gs5.50\fonts\n022003l.pfb... 1903780 585866 1349264 53676 1 done. Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Warning: EPS file must not use /setglobal Loading NimbusSanL-Bold font from C:\GSTOOLS\gs5.50\fonts\n019004l.pfb... 1943960 629805 1489894 201304 1 done. Warning: EPS file must not use /statusdict %%[ ProductName: Aladdin Ghostscript ]%% Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Warning: EPS file must not use /setpagedevice Can't find (or can't open) font file N170. Scanning c:\psfonts for fonts... 36 files, 29 scanned, 14 new fonts. Can't find (or can't open) font file N170. Substituting font Courier for N170. Unrecoverable error: stackoverflow in %ztokenexec_continue Operand stack: --nostringval-- --- Begin offending input --- --- End offending input --- file offset = 437948 gsdll_execute_cont returns -16 Now the file for this figure is quite large (generated using adobe illustrator version 7.0 on a Macintosh) as an eps it was 1240 KB and 230 KB as a pdf file and I have three like it which suffer the same fate. Any advice or guidance will be appreciated. I am a little pressed to solve this problem --- if I can't I may be forced to us MS Word, please save me >From this. Stephen Smith ------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen J. Smith Head, Molluscan Fisheries Section Invertebrate Fisheries Division Bedford Institute of Oceanography P.O. Box 1006 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2Y 4A2 Address for couriers: 1 Challenger Drive Voice: 902-426-3317 Fax: 902-426-1862 email: smithsj@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 25 12:03:16 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA16469 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:03:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA23237 for pdftex-list; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:52:14 -0400 Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca [142.176.61.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA23232 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:52:10 -0400 Received: id OAA12026; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:54:53 -0300 Received: by gateway id <01JBM9L3MI680009LS@BIONET.bio.dfo.ca> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:50:45 AST Received: by gateway id ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:51:07 -0300 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:51:03 -0300 From: "Smith, Stephen" Subject: test, please ignore To: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen J. Smith Head, Molluscan Fisheries Section Invertebrate Fisheries Division Bedford Institute of Oceanography P.O. Box 1006 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2Y 4A2 Address for couriers: 1 Challenger Drive Voice: 902-426-3317 Fax: 902-426-1862 email: smithsj@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 25 13:44:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA19519 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA24332 for pdftex-list; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:33:38 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24329 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:33:34 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16455; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:33:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02448; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:33:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905251933.VAA02448@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Printing pdfLatex file to a postscript printer from acrobat reade r In-Reply-To: from "Smith, Stephen" at "May 25, 99 02:20:51 pm" To: SmithSJ@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Smith Stephen) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:33:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have constructed a rather large pdf document using pdfLaTeX which includes > text, tables and figures. The latter were created using mainly splus and > adobe illustrator to export to eps and then the epstopdf.pl script was used > to convert to pdf. I can view the entire document quite nicely using > acrobat reader (version 3.0 or 4.0) but get postscript errors on the third > graph and the rest of the print job flushes. The error is as follows: > > ERROR: stackoverflow > OFFENDING COMMAND: --nostringval-- > > STACK: > > Now if compile the document using LaTeX and the eps figures, the whole > document prints out fine. The pdf file for the third figure by itself > displays and prints from acrobat reader. However, if I print the third > figure to a ps file using acrobat reader (version 3.0, using postscript > level 2) and then view using ghostview I get the following error: ... > > Now the file for this figure is quite large (generated using adobe > illustrator version 7.0 on a Macintosh) as an eps it was 1240 KB and 230 KB > as a pdf file and I have three like it which suffer the same fate. have you tried to view/print the pdf file by ghostscript? I encountered similiar problem when printing pdf files (produced by pdftex) that with large PDF images included. The reason is the PS printed by AcroReader defines the whole included PDF images as procedure, which is stored on stack. I don't know whether it is a problem of pdftex or AcroReader. I would try the following: 1) print by ghostscript 2) convert the PDF file to PS by other programs than AcroReader: I would first try pdftops (comes from xpdf dist. http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/). If it doesn't help I would look at http://www.pdfzone.com/products/software/toolinfo.html for others. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 25 17:36:28 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA26569 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA25154 for pdftex-list; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:32:00 -0400 Received: from ALPHA1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU (vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25151 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:31:57 -0400 Received: from diablo.cc.monash.edu.au ([130.194.1.4]) by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-31 #29714) with ESMTP id <01JBNCN78QME91WXNB@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:28:48 +1000 Received: from BusEco.Monash.edu.au (ascend-1-11.buseco.monash.edu.au [130.194.12.81]) by diablo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05401; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:28:42 +1000 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:29:09 +1000 From: Rob J Hyndman Subject: Re: Printing pdfLatex file to a postscript printer from acrobat reade r X-Sender: "Rob J Hyndman" <@smtp.monash.edu.au> To: "Smith, Stephen" , pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <374B3245.7CCDB147@BusEco.Monash.edu.au> Organization: Monash University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-CCK-MCD monwin/016 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Smith, Stephen" wrote: > I have constructed a rather large pdf document using pdfLaTeX which includes > text, tables and figures. The latter were created using mainly splus and > adobe illustrator to export to eps and then the epstopdf.pl script was used > to convert to pdf. I can view the entire document quite nicely using > acrobat reader (version 3.0 or 4.0) but get postscript errors on the third > graph and the rest of the print job flushes. The error is as follows: I have exactly the same problem in converting splus eps files to pdf for use in pdflatex. The only solution I know is to edit the eps files before converting them and take out the first occurrence of setglobal and any occurrence of setpagedevice. View the file in ghostview and check after each editing that you haven't wrecked your picture. After editing the eps file, epstopdf seems to work fine. It seems that splus (and other packages) don't really conform to standard eps. Brian Ripley may have other ideas on how to solve this as I know he uses the splus/pdflatex combination also. Rob Hyndman __________________________________________________ Dr Rob Hyndman Department of Econometrics & Business Statistics Monash University, Clayton VIC 3168, Australia http://www-personal.buseco.monash.edu.au/~hyndman/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 00:25:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA06455 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA25888 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 02:15:43 -0400 Received: from hermes.fundp.ac.be (hermes.fundp.ac.be [138.48.4.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA25885 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 02:15:41 -0400 Received: from timour.cc.fundp.ac.be (timour.cc.fundp.ac.be [138.48.4.34]) by hermes.fundp.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA28948; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:15:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost by timour.cc.fundp.ac.be (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/27Feb97-1039AM) id AA10837; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:15:38 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:15:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frederic Marchal Reply-To: frederic.marchal@fundp.ac.be To: "Smith, Stephen" Cc: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: Re: Printing pdfLatex file to a postscript printer from acrobat reade r In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 May 1999, Smith, Stephen wrote: > I have constructed a rather large pdf document using pdfLaTeX which includes > text, tables and figures. The latter were created using mainly splus and > adobe illustrator to export to eps and then the epstopdf.pl script was used > to convert to pdf. I can view the entire document quite nicely using > acrobat reader (version 3.0 or 4.0) but get postscript errors on the third > graph and the rest of the print job flushes. The error is as follows: > > ERROR: stackoverflow > OFFENDING COMMAND: --nostringval-- > > STACK: > > Now if compile the document using LaTeX and the eps figures, the whole > document prints out fine. The pdf file for the third figure by itself > displays and prints from acrobat reader. However, if I print the third > figure to a ps file using acrobat reader (version 3.0, using postscript > level 2) and then view using ghostview I get the following error: If you print to a ps file, your printer driver is allowed to use some commands that are forbidden in an eps file, hence the error you get. If your printer driver allows it, try to print to an eps file instead... But I don't think it is the problem. I found that pdf images containing a bitmap converted from eps to pdf by ghostscript (and clipped with epstopdf) doesn't display well in a document created by the pdflatex 0.13d that comes with miktex 1.20a. But the same pdf images alone display well in ghostscript 5.50 and in acroread 3 although that last program says that some bytes of the image are missing. If the image is only made of vector elements (coreldraw -> eps -> pdf) everything displays well in all cases. I still don't know if the problem comes from ghostscript, pdflatex or acroread... If this mail reachs the list, any help would be appreciated. My solution is to convert such images to a png file at 300dpi and use it instead of its pdf version. It doesn't look good on a screen (especially the vector elements drawn on top of the bitmap) and it isn't a top quality picture on the printer, but at least, you can see it... Regards, Frederic From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 00:34:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA06684 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA25953 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 02:30:43 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA25950 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 02:30:41 -0400 Received: from max117.public.ox.ac.uk (max117.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.117]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA10871; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:31:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:28:43 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Rob J Hyndman cc: "Smith, Stephen" , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Printing pdfLatex file to a postscript printer from acrobat reader In-Reply-To: <374B3245.7CCDB147@BusEco.Monash.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a bit off topic, but the message that if you don't start with encapsulated postscript the road may become rocky is of wider interest. On Wed, 26 May 1999, Rob J Hyndman wrote: > "Smith, Stephen" wrote: > > I have constructed a rather large pdf document using pdfLaTeX which includes > > text, tables and figures. The latter were created using mainly splus and > > adobe illustrator to export to eps and then the epstopdf.pl script was used > > to convert to pdf. I can view the entire document quite nicely using > > acrobat reader (version 3.0 or 4.0) but get postscript errors on the third > > graph and the rest of the print job flushes. The error is as follows: > > I have exactly the same problem in converting splus eps files to pdf for > use in pdflatex. The only solution I know is to edit the eps files > before converting them and take out the first occurrence of setglobal > and any occurrence of setpagedevice. View the file in ghostview and > check after each editing that you haven't wrecked your picture. > > After editing the eps file, epstopdf seems to work fine. It seems that > splus (and other packages) don't really conform to standard eps. See below: that particular route does not claim to be EPS, on Windows only. So I assumed that the figures had been `exported to eps', as stated, > Brian Ripley may have other ideas on how to solve this as I know he uses > the splus/pdflatex combination also. I understood from the original posting that the problem was an Illustrator file. If it was generated by S-PLUS for Windows (and not Unix) by the postscript() command, it is not (and does not claim to be) an EPS file. I have persuaded Distiller to convert such files, but all bets are off for non-encapsulated postscript. There are at least two much simpler options: use pdf.graph() to produce PDF directly, and use Export Graph to eps (at least in non-ancient versions of S-PLUS), and one can print to a printer driver that produces EPS output (not so easy on NT: as I have Distiller installed, I use Adobe's PS5.1 driver with the Distiller PPD and print to a file). Finally, as I understand it the problem was to print a PDF file that had been generated by the author with pdflatex and figures coverted from EPS (or PS) files. I have essentially given up doing that (although the ExportPS plug-in for acroread 3.0x helped on Windows). I just use latex+dvips to produce a printable copy. On my Web site I have up PDF for screen-reading and PS for printing. Amongst the reasons is that the file acroread produces to send to the printer can be enormous (say 50Mb), and need too much memory (>16Mb vm) for the average postscript printer, whereas the PS produced by dvips is small (less than 1 Mb). Another is that if one has raster images (e.g. screenshots) the fewer the format conversions the better quality the output. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 02:19:38 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA08919 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 02:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA26601 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:09:59 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA26598 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:09:57 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.52]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA659E; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:03:15 +0200 Message-ID: <374B9B2C.E281C905@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:56:44 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Smith, Stephen" CC: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: Re: Printing pdfLatex file to a postscript printer from acrobat reade r References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Smith, Stephen wrote: > Now the file for this figure is quite large (generated using adobe > illustrator version 7.0 on a Macintosh) as an eps it was 1240 KB and 230 KB > as a pdf file and I have three like it which suffer the same fate. Why so big? Lots or fonts? Bitmaps? Did you try to save from illustrator as pdf? > Any advice or guidance will be appreciated. I am a little pressed to solve > this problem --- if I can't I may be forced to us MS Word, please save me > from this. First force them to demonstrate that word can put these big eps's in a file, pdfwrite them, show them, print them. Meybe it's the fonts that's cause the problems. You can try to use times, courier and helvetica in those figures and see what happens then. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 04:25:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA11564 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 04:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA26870 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:11:25 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA26867 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:11:22 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10maed-0004SK-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:11:19 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10maed-0003ot-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:11:19 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:09:03 +0000 (GMT) To: vince@biosgroup.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files In-Reply-To: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk vince darley writes: > I guess what I need is a tool which will take my .eps files, the new > bounding box info and create a new clipped .eps file which I can then > convert to .pdf successfully. Is there anything out there which can do > this? Would just editing the bbox in the .eps file do the trick too? > did this get answered? my "epstopdf" script should do the job or switch to Distiller 4.0 sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 09:10:00 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18542 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA27837 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:58:44 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27834 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:58:42 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10mf8f-0007PS-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:58:37 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10mf8f-0002f0-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:58:37 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14156.6561.580949.180045@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:56:17 +0000 (GMT) To: vince@biosgroup.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files In-Reply-To: <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk vince darley writes: > That's what I'm using right now, but the converted figures don't show up > in > the final document: I guess because some of .eps file goes outside the > current > page (since I only wish to show a clipped version of the .eps file). if the BoundingBox doesnt reflect what you want to see... does the generated PDF figure file show what you expect when viewed on its own? s From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 09:13:08 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18628 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA27786 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:37:59 -0400 Received: from mail.biosgroup.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.161.38.125]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA27783 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:37:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 11585 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 13:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO biosgroup.com) (216.161.38.1) by 216.161.38.125 with SMTP; 26 May 1999 13:34:19 -0000 Message-ID: <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:38:26 -0600 From: vince darley Reply-To: vince@biosgroup.com Organization: bios group, lp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > vince darley writes: > > I guess what I need is a tool which will take my .eps files, the new > > bounding box info and create a new clipped .eps file which I can then > > convert to .pdf successfully. Is there anything out there which can do > > this? Would just editing the bbox in the .eps file do the trick too? > > > did this get answered? > > my "epstopdf" script should do the job That's what I'm using right now, but the converted figures don't show up in the final document: I guess because some of .eps file goes outside the current page (since I only wish to show a clipped version of the .eps file). > or switch to Distiller 4.0 I guess that's a possibility,... Vince. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 10:10:19 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA20529 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA28294 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:48:44 -0400 Received: from mail.biosgroup.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.161.38.125]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA28290 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:48:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 13747 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 14:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO biosgroup.com) (216.161.38.1) by 216.161.38.125 with SMTP; 26 May 1999 14:45:02 -0000 Message-ID: <374C17F1.D6AED499@biosgroup.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:49:05 -0600 From: vince darley Reply-To: vince@biosgroup.com Organization: bios group, lp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> <14156.6561.580949.180045@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > vince darley writes: > > That's what I'm using right now, but the converted figures don't show up > > in > > the final document: I guess because some of .eps file goes outside the > > current > > page (since I only wish to show a clipped version of the .eps file). > > if the BoundingBox doesnt reflect what you want to see... > > does the generated PDF figure file show what you expect when viewed on > its own? Yes: it shows what I want _plus_ some excess stuff around the edges which I'd like to clip away. (This is why I'm using \includegraphics[bb = ...., clip=true]{fig}). Now, I think I tried to edit the bbox in the .eps file, re-run epstopdf and then rerun pdflatex, but it still didn't work (i.e. no figure appeared). I'll try again since I may have done something wrong there. However I'd prefer not to mess with .eps files in this way (editing them), since then they contain incorrect information which I might forget about later,... Vince. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 10:55:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA21946 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA28683 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:47:11 -0400 Received: from harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA (harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.102]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28680 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:47:09 -0400 Received: from euler.DMS.UMontreal.CA (euler.DMS.UMontreal.CA [132.204.53.100]) by harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25136; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dms.umontreal.ca (pcmat2.DMS.UMontreal.CA [132.204.53.171]) by euler.DMS.UMontreal.CA (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21599; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374C2620.AEF3F209@dms.umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:49:37 -0400 From: Andre Giroux X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vince@biosgroup.com CC: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk vince darley a écrit : > Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > vince darley writes: > > > I guess what I need is a tool which will take my .eps files, the new > > > bounding box info and create a new clipped .eps file which I can then > > > convert to .pdf successfully. Is there anything out there which can do > > > this? Would just editing the bbox in the .eps file do the trick too? > > > > > did this get answered? > > > > my "epstopdf" script should do the job > > That's what I'm using right now, but the converted figures don't show up > in > the final document: I guess because some of .eps file goes outside the > current > page (since I only wish to show a clipped version of the .eps file). > > > or switch to Distiller 4.0 > > I guess that's a possibility,... > > Vince. Hi. I had the same problem with .eps files created by Mathematica. My answer was to edit the file and modify the boundingbox. That worked out fine. -- Andre Giroux http://www.dms.umontreal.ca/~giroux/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 11:07:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA22364 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA28758 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:56:54 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28755 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:56:52 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.149]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA443E; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:56:17 +0200 Message-ID: <374C2769.C5366E7E@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:55:05 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vince@biosgroup.com CC: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> <14156.6561.580949.180045@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C17F1.D6AED499@biosgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk vince darley wrote: > Yes: it shows what I want _plus_ some excess stuff around the edges > which I'd like to clip away. (This is why I'm using \includegraphics[bb > = ...., clip=true]{fig}). What you need is real clipping. You can add a clipbox by hand if needed (or use exchange to clip the pdf one). I got pdf based figure clipping running for some time now, so it can be done -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 13:55:56 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA27613 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:55:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA29651 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:45:53 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA29648 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:45:45 -0400 Received: from remote142-91.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.91] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10mjcC-0000xP-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:45:24 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990526214546.007a1cb0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:45:46 +0200 To: vince@biosgroup.com, Sebastian Rahtz From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <374C17F1.D6AED499@biosgroup.com> References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> <14156.6561.580949.180045@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:49 26.05.99 -0600, vince darley wrote: >Yes: it shows what I want _plus_ some excess stuff around the edges >which I'd like to clip away. (This is why I'm using \includegraphics[bb >= ...., clip=true]{fig}). "bb" is the wrong option for this, use "viewport", if you want only a area of the image. Example: ex.eps: BB = 100 100 200 400 (width=100, height=300) you want to see the area 150 200 200 350 (width 50, height 150). Konverting to pdf via epstopdf: ex is shifted by (-llx, -lly) = (-100, -100): ex.pdf: BB = 0 0 100 300 (width=100, height=300) \includegraphics[viewport=50 100 100 250, clip]{ex} * Driver dvips uses BoundingBox of ex.eps: 100 100 200 400 * Driver pdftex uses size of ex.pdf: BB = 0 0 100 300 If you use bb for the area you need two different ones: dvips: 150 200 200 350 pdftex: 50 100 100 250 With the automatic BoundingBox detection of the graphics paket, however, the differences vanishes for the user, and he need only one viewport for the different drivers: dvips and pdftex: 50 100 100 250 Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 14:47:38 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA29164 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:47:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA30053 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:40:44 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA30049 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:40:42 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07832; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:40:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id WAA08912; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:50:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thierry Bouche Message-Id: <199905262050.WAA08912@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990526214546.007a1cb0@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> from Heiko Oberdiek at "May 26, 1999 09:45:46 pm" To: Heiko Oberdiek Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:50:44 +0200 (MET DST) CC: vince@biosgroup.com, Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL57 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk as far as i know, clipping is not supported by the current graphics package for pdftex, as pagecolor. -- Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 16:20:41 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA02030 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA30383 for pdftex-list; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:14:13 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA30380 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:14:11 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10mlw7-0000JO-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:14:07 +0100 Received: from max64.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.64] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10mlw6-0007fq-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:14:06 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14156.27057.697741.12807@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:37:53 +0100 (BST) To: vince@biosgroup.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Q's:(i) floatingfigure; (ii) clipped eps files In-Reply-To: <374C17F1.D6AED499@biosgroup.com> References: <3745DB62.FD3B80FB@biosgroup.com> <14155.54863.789710.625553@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C0762.CF697483@biosgroup.com> <14156.6561.580949.180045@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <374C17F1.D6AED499@biosgroup.com> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk vince darley writes: > Yes: it shows what I want _plus_ some excess stuff around the edges > which I'd like to clip away. (This is why I'm using \includegraphics[bb > = ...., clip=true]{fig}). > I am afraid I'd bite the bullet, use Distiller, and then Acrobat Exchange to crop the figure as I wanted it. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 26 22:44:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA11716 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA31464 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:39:50 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA31461 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:39:45 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990527043944.BIJA26054.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:39:44 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: clindsay@atlis.com, jmcarth@atlis.com Subject: Notes on some problems I have encounted with PDFs Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:40:27 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <374dc5d7.3741973@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id AAA31462 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have been doing some interesting experiments with PDFTeX. In Photoshop 4.0 I created a small graphic (approx 3in by 1in). Set the background to Cyan, put some black text on it, then saved this as a PDF. The PDF does not display in Acrobat Exchange 3.0 (only a white box). The PDF does display in Acrobat 4.0 and GhostScript. If I include the PDF into a TeX document using PDFTeX, the resulting PDF will display in Acrobat 3.0 and 4.0 as well as GhostScript. If I save the photoshop graphic as a TIFF, then include that in a TeX document the resulting files will display in Acrobat 3.0, 4.0, and GhostScript. However, If I try and print the file to a Postscript printer in Acrobat 3.0 or 4.0 I get an error on the printer. If I use GhostScript to extract the postscript file then print it, that works. Took the TIFF and used Acrobat 3.0 Exchange to convert it to a PDF. Then included that PDF using PDFTeX. Used Acrobat 3.0 to convert the PDF created by PDFTeX to postscript. Sent the Postscript file to our Linotype RIP, which color separated it. The Cyan layer is not 100%, and there is a halftone screen on the Magenta layer. Not sure what caused that effect. Does Acrobat 3.0 convert CMYK tiffs to RGB PDFs or some odd thing like that? (That is the only way I can figure that could have happened.) Now for some other really odd problems. I needed to use Helvetica Neue Medium font from Adobe. I checked out CTAN to see if someone had already created the TFMs and such for Adobe's Helvetica Neue with no success. So I decided to map all 51 fonts in the Helvetica Neue family. (I did this with just afm2tfm since I am not fully up to speed with fontinst.) I have some macros that create a nice font grid and produces a page with some text showing how accents and such works. I then created a TeX file that uses all 51 Helvetica Neue fonts, and displays a grid of each as well as a sample page set with each. All of this works with PDFTeX, which I set up to embed all of the fonts. I am able to view the 102 page document in Acrobat 3.0, 4.0, and Ghostscript. When I try an print the file with Acrobat 3.0 or 4.0 I get an error message from any postscript printer I try: HP4SI MX, QMS 2060, and Xerox N40. If I use Ghostscript to extract the postscript file, then try and print that, I get only one page printed then an error message. It appears that I can now easilly generate a PDF file that will display on the screen, but will not print to a postscript printer. I can do that by including a TIFF or including fonts (not sure if the problem is the particular fonts or the number of fonts). I thought I should mention this problem to the PDFTeX mailing list and see if other people are having the same problems I am. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 03:29:34 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA18317 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 03:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA00129 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:18:46 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA00126 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:18:44 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA38820 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:18:41 +0200 Message-ID: <374D0ED1.35E461B4@ulg.ac.be> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:22:35 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX liste Subject: A little bit of all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Dear list members, First, I apologize if the questions I will ask are trivial, but I am a beginner with pdfTeX and I have not found any reply in all the documentation I have got. Environment : I am using (testing) CMacTeX 3.2 since it is the mere distribution including pdfTeX for Mac. Mac : power PC G3. All the packages are the lasted versions. Problems: * Characters resolution is poor. I am using computer modern fonts but when zooming the pdf file, one can see the dots constituting the characters (very ugly). I would like to enhance the resolution as for the examples I have downloaded (geodif, Thierry Bouche). * I can not use any text color. Neither for hyper link, nor for normal text. The \color command do not produce any result in pdfTeX since, in LaTeX, it works properly. Options of the hyperref package do not seem to have any effect : colorlinks, raiselinks * Hyper links (package hyperref) appear in a strange way : a colored box the dimension of the link is produced but it is shifted one character right from the link. * Compilation of the geodif source file (geodif.tex) encounter the same problems (resolution, color, link) * Figures included with the command \pdfimage are not center even with \centering or begin{center} command preceding. However, with \centering and \hspace{xpt}, the figure is centered AND shifted of xpt. *\includegraphics command do not work properly but it is used in the geodif.tex exemple (the figure do not appears in the pdf file) * \graphicspath command do not work properly. pdfTeX ignores the command and look for the graphs in the current directory. Questions: * Is it possible to solve some of these problems ? * Are these problems coming from CMacTeX distribution ? Thanks a lot. -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 05:09:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA20330 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00443 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:50:30 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA00440 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:50:17 -0400 Received: from remote142-101.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.101] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10mxjp-0000AE-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:50:14 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:46:04 +0200 To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be, pdfTeX liste From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: A little bit of all In-Reply-To: <374D0ED1.35E461B4@ulg.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 11:22 27.05.99 +0200, Pierre-Alexandre Blanche wrote: >* Characters resolution is poor. I am using computer modern fonts but >when zooming the pdf file, one can see the dots constituting the >characters (very ugly). I would like to enhance the resolution as for >the examples I have downloaded (geodif, Thierry Bouche). Do you use the PostScript versions or the pk fonts? >* I can not use any text color. Neither for hyper link, nor for normal >text. The \color command do not produce any result in pdfTeX since, in >LaTeX, it works properly. Options of the hyperref package do not seem to >have any effect : colorlinks, raiselinks You have specified option pdftex for the graphics/color package? Test file? >* Hyper links (package hyperref) appear in a strange way : a colored box >the dimension of the link is produced but it is shifted one character >right from the link. How do you produce the hyper links? Test file? Look at http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip. In this version many unwanted spaces are removed. >* Compilation of the geodif source file (geodif.tex) encounter the same >problems (resolution, color, link) Where to get, I haven't found it on CTAN. >* Figures included with the command \pdfimage are not center even with >\centering or begin{center} command preceding. However, with \centering >and \hspace{xpt}, the figure is centered AND shifted of xpt. 1. What kind of images do you use (PNG, JPG, PDF, ...)? 2. Convert EPS to PDF with epstopdf, availabel on http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/epstopdf But currently the line endings of the MAC aren't recogniced. I have written a new version that works with line endings, but currently I don't find for testing. So you should convert the line endings, before you call epstopdf. Then epstopdf detects the BoundingBox and removes the margins. 3. Don't use the low level command \pdfimage directly, for portability and compatibility use the graphics package instead. >*\includegraphics command do not work properly but it is used in the >geodif.tex exemple (the figure do not appears in the pdf file) What kind of images? PostScript images have to convert to PDF or PNG. >* \graphicspath command do not work properly. pdfTeX ignores the command >and look for the graphs in the current directory. I don't use \graphicspath, because I have read CTAN:info/epslatex.pdf. But the example below works for me: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} \begin{document} \graphicspath{{img/}} \includegraphics[width=2cm]{xy} \end{document} Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 06:04:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA21507 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA00651 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:55:50 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00648 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:55:48 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13648; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:54:29 +0200 Message-ID: <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:58:40 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Oberdiek CC: pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks a lot for your so quick reply. Here is the information complement asked Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > Do you use the PostScript versions or the pk fonts? Yes but I am not sure : I am using the fonts delivered with CMacTeX distribution. Precision : the resulution of the printed document (postscript printer) is very good. > You have specified option pdftex for the graphics/color package? > Test file? Of course ! I am using graphicx package but graphics do not induced any change > How do you produce the hyper links? Test file? Hyper links are produced with hyperref package and \ref command. I do not use links external to the document > Where to get, I haven't found it on CTAN. geodif.pdf and geodif.tex can be found at the following address: http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/PDFtex/ > 1. What kind of images do you use (PNG, JPG, PDF, ...)? I am using pdf image converted from eps with acrobat distiller. > 3. Don't use the low level command \pdfimage directly, for portability > and compatibility use the graphics package instead. Command used is : \begin{figure}[ht] \centering \pdfimage width 11.5cm figure.pdf \caption{caption} \label{fig:myfigure} \end{figure} > >*\includegraphics command do not work properly but it is used in the > >geodif.tex exemple (the figure do not appears in the pdf file) > What kind of images? PostScript images have to convert to PDF or PNG. Of course they are converted. They appear in the document by using \pdfimage but not with \includegraphics. > I don't use \graphicspath, because I have read CTAN:info/epslatex.pdf. > But the example below works for me: > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} > \begin{document} > \graphicspath{{img/}} > \includegraphics[width=2cm]{xy} > \end{document} This seems to not work properly with my distribution. Yours sincerely too -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 06:18:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA21801 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:18:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA00774 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:05:07 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00770 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:05:04 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22520 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:05:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA24154; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:15:12 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:15:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905271215.OAA24154@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdfTeX liste Subject: HZ-like pdftex X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm back from GUT'99 in Lyon where i showed a demo of pdftex's hz H&J algorithms. You can see the demo (made with pdfscreen) at http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/gut/pdfhz.pdf (it calls external PDF files for the actual demo) My remarks so far. The implementation is pretty robust on SM (standard single master type 1) fonts. It is broken when one uses resident SM fonts as Times. I provide a test file perfectly produced with pdftex in _dvi_ mode, whereas pdftex could not generate directly the pdf file (i suspect that the FontMatrix hacking is difficult to do without downloading the font). I have encountered many problems with MM fonts (Minion) although i'm not yet absolutely sure whose fault it was (my scripts, the mminstance tools, afm2tfm producing buggy 8r metrics, or pdftex). My two tests (one in pdf mode, the other one in dvi mode) both show puzzling defficiencies anyway. I'm afraid that the main problem in dvi mode is that distiller would not accept the pfb made by mmpfb (i realize now that i should have let distiller do the snapshots >From pss rather than feeding it with instance's pfb)--i also faced some naming inconsistencies... On the actual questions: on p. 3 you see a column typeset with varying \hsize, so that the horizontal scaling is activated. As letters there have rather big \efcodes, it seems that the interword space may extend far more than axpected, or be extremely shrunk. I believe that it comes from the fact that pdftex computes the required extension factor, deduces the interword width from it, then uses the chars determined by their \efcodes, so if the \efcodes of all chars on the line are 3000, the interword space may be worst than without any 'optimization'. Probably not so bad in `real' situations, but strange anyway. I achieved satisfactory results, as long as colour is concerned, with parameters like \tolerance=200, shrink/stretch\approx 20. In Utopia italic, more expansion yields visible results. With Minion, it is possible to go far beyond these values and get still a very homogeneous grey, but width variations from line to line seem to yield unreadable paragraphs. It is very hard for me to tell when deformations begin to disturb the reading, because they're almost always visible. On the implementation: The 4 pdf files required 1062 auxiliary metric files (2 VF + 1 TFM per font, 1 pfb in case of MM fonts) using 15 Mb of disk space. And i didn't use expert fonts because of the enormous amount of time needed by fontinst if i were to do all of this with 9e fonts. While doing all of this, I wondered if it could not be possible to do the scaling inside pdftex (trivial for SM fonts, maybe not so hard using the library functions in mminstance for MM fonts) so that all these TFM/VF could be avoided. Of course, the dvi mode could not work that way. Or if it were possible to have 2 VFs, the first one being the `real' VF used for the base font, and the second one describing derivatives from that base font to its width variants, because i'm pretty sure one would'nt modify the encoding or the ase fonts depending on the expansion... For instance, when i typeset in utopia, i use a T1-encoded VF (putr9e) that combines glyphs from putr8r and putr8x. If i could simply state that putr9e+12 is exactly the glyphs >From putr9e made the same way, but enlarged by 1.2 %--same for pmnr9e... Hope this may serve, at least as a base for discussion. Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 06:53:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA22576 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 06:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA00993 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:39:40 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00990 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:39:31 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id NAA12608; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:38:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:38:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905271238.NAA12608@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> (message from Pierre-Alexandre Blanche on Thu, 27 May 1999 13:58:40 +0200) Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk \centering \pdfimage that won't center the image as \pdfimage is not a latex command. This seems to not work properly with my distribution. what goes wrong? David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 07:08:54 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA22962 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA01273 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:55:00 -0400 Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca [142.176.61.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01270 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:54:54 -0400 Received: id JAA00714; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:57:16 -0300 Received: by gateway id <01JBORRSZTWG000GPU@BIONET.bio.dfo.ca> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:53:08 AST Received: by gateway id ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:53:31 -0300 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:53:26 -0300 From: "Smith, Stephen" To: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to Brian Ripley, Han The Thanh, Rob Hyndman, Frederic Marchal and Hans Hagen for their comments on my message about the problems that I am experiencing with printing pdf files generated using pdfLaTeX. To recap the problem. I have a pdf document containing graphics created using either Illustrator (vers 7 on a MAC) or SPLUS. The pdf document was created using pdfLaTeX and epstopdf.pl for converting eps files to pdf graphics [and thumbpdf.pl was used for thumbnails]. The pdf file displays on the computer screen quite nicely using Acrobat reader (vers. 3.0 or 4.0) and ghostview but printing to ps printer from Acroread (Lexmark Optra S 1650 ps) ran into problems when it tried to print one of the graphs created by illustrator. The problem graphic is a four panel plot of maps with coastlines, bathymetry lines and either expanding symbols or shaded contours. For the most part the SPLUS graphics do not cause problems if I create them using the eps export option. However, this option doesn't always work --- a trellis plot with 2500 points appears to cause real problems for the option (problem sent to Mathsoft Tech support). The graphs created by Illustrator were saved as eps either version 6 or 7 with no imbedded preview bitmap. Han The Thanh's point about how ps printed by Acroreader defines the whole included pdf images as a procedure stored on stack is interesting. This may suggest that the problem could actually occur before the troublesome graphic is encountered. Note that in my original posting the postscript version of the LaTeX document created using dvips printed without problems and the pdf version of the troublesome graphic printed fine from Acroreader. It is only when the whole document is put together via pdfLaTeX (\includegraphics) that I run into trouble, so my problem may have deeper roots. As to the final purpose of this exercise: I have been a TeX/LaTeX user since 1988 and given my druthers I always use LaTeX to put together any document that I work on. However, I work for a government department whose wise leaders of informatics have declared MS Word to be our standard (even though Corel is in Ottawa and markets Wordperfect, not that I would rush to use that word processor given my preference for TeX) even for scientific documents. Generally, scientific documents have been distributed as Word documents. The conversion of documents to pdf is an attempt to make our grey literature documents (stock assessments) more accessible (and secure the contents). For my own personal needs I would take a page from Brian Ripley's book and provide ps (via dvips) for printing and pdf for viewing but ps files on a public website accessible by fishermen, staff and others wouldn't be much help. Converting the pdf to ps using a package other than acroread may be quite helpful in diagnosing my problems but not an option in the final distribution of the document. Perhaps investing in distiller may be the quickest solution. Thanks, Stephen ------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen J. Smith Head, Molluscan Fisheries Section Invertebrate Fisheries Division Bedford Institute of Oceanography P.O. Box 1006 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia B2Y 4A2 Address for couriers: 1 Challenger Drive Voice: 902-426-3317 Fax: 902-426-1862 email: smithsj@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 07:13:13 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23079 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA01344 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:00:25 -0400 Received: from vanuata.dcs.gla.ac.uk (vanuata.dcs.gla.ac.uk [130.209.240.50]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA01341 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:00:21 -0400 Received: from hawaii.dcs.gla.ac.uk (actually host hawaii) by vanuata with SMTP DCS (MMTA) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:58:54 +0100 Received: from hawaii by hawaii.dcs.gla.ac.uk (8.8.8+Sun/Dumb) id NAA17778; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:58:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:58:41 +0100 (BST) From: Mark de Wit X-Sender: dew@hawaii To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: A little bit of all In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 May 1999, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > >* \graphicspath command do not work properly. pdfTeX ignores the command > >and look for the graphs in the current directory. > I don't use \graphicspath, because I have read CTAN:info/epslatex.pdf. > But the example below works for me: > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} > \begin{document} > \graphicspath{{img/}} > \includegraphics[width=2cm]{xy} > \end{document} Remember that on a Mac, you need to use the form \graphicspath{:img:} Including the starting : , which denotes current directory. At least that's what I remember from reading the FAQ, I don't have a Mac myself :-) Happy to help, Mark -- Mark de Wit, aka [LoL]Slothboy University of Glasgow Computing Science Department dew@dcs.gla.ac.uk http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~dew Office phone: +44-(0)141-339 8855 ext. 0995 ICQ # 7179380 "The early worm deserves the bird" - Larry Niven From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 07:20:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23234 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA01486 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:04:53 -0400 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01482 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:04:50 -0400 Received: from silicon.tue.nl [131.155.2.10] by mailhost.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id PAA19032 (ESMTP). Thu, 27 May 1999 15:04:45 +0200 (MDT) Received: from n19.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.18] by silicon.tue.nl (8.8.8) for id PAA05823 (SMTP). Thu, 27 May 1999 15:04:43 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> From: "Marco van de Voort" To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:02:35 +0100 Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-reply-to: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > tell him/her to download teTeX-beta from CTAN. its very close to > > release, is web2c 7.3 and pdftex 0.13d. Tetex 0.9 (beta?) is that stable that RedHat seems to include it in RH 6.0, which is used commercially. Marco van de Voort (MarcoV@Stack.nl) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 08:17:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA24617 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA02350 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:59:11 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02347 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:59:09 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.125]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA22BF; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:58:36 +0200 Message-ID: <374D4EDE.D6456440@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:55:42 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: HZ-like pdftex References: <199905271215.OAA24154@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm back from GUT'99 in Lyon where i showed a demo of pdftex's hz H&J > algorithms. > > ... Lack of time is the reason why I didn't write down the results of some experiments we did (at ntg, dante and gust meetings, phil will repeat it at uktug). Some quick remarks that can add to the discussion. (I'm not that much a font expert as Thierry and taco, so forgive me any mistakes.) (1) Every respondent got 2 times 6 random sets of two and three column texts and were asked to rate those from low to high. Each session had 60-75 respondents, and each one had a different set, so loking over the neighbours shoulder didn't help. Each set of 6 had a zero (no influence) sample too. (2) At the ntg meeting, we used pdftex method 1, which did stretch/shrink by changing the scaling. No real significant differences were seen by the participants, while differences clearly were visible once one knew what to look at! People were far more sensitive for things like hyphenation and rivers. It sort of demonstrated that although tex users praise tex's quality, everyone has his own ideas on what this quality is. There was a small significant optimum in the 3% manipulation area, two columns only. (2) At the dante meeting, we used method 2, using different instances of a font. Again, most people were far more sensitive to things like rivers, occasional bad kerning, and many hyphenations in a row. No significant differences were seen there. (3) The gust experiment again showed that, although especially 8% stretch simply looks bad, people were far more sensitive to other things. In this experiment we used taco's CMR multiple master fonts, but unfortunately the tfm-afm conversion programs have some bugs concerning kerning, which resulted in touching glyphs. Those were rated bad, and played a distrubing role. Even in normal cmr fonts some kerning pairs are rather bad (for dutch) and it sort of proves that it makes sense to look at more than hz-ing. This time we decided to explain on forehand thatwhat pdftex was doing, and again, only a few people saw the differences (while again, extreme stretching and shrinking clearly spoils the grayness!) (4) Taco fixed the afm-tfm conversion and Phil will repeat the experiment in the UK. (5) In the process some things became clear. First, in this optimization, kerning plays a role and should be taken into account. Either in the multiple masters, or when using stretched fonts, by pdftex. (6) When one generated a dvi file, and views this one in for instance dviwindo, with colored fonts turned on, one can see that although pdftex takes the stretch into account when calculating breakpoints, it applies stretch/shrink on a per line basis. So, one can end up with a line using large mastered fonts fllowed by one with ones smaller than normal. (7) I'm still thinking of repeating this large scale, for instance sending random samples around and letting people print and rate. (8) The presentation I held afterwards (ntg,dante) and on forehand (gust) can be found at www.pragma-ade.nl, under pdftex samples. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 08:19:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA24718 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA02346 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:59:07 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02340 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:59:03 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10n0gV-00033o-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:58:59 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10n0gV-000779-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:58:59 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14157.23847.877646.967574@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:56:39 +0000 (GMT) To: marcov@stack.nl Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Marco van de Voort writes: > > > tell him/her to download teTeX-beta from CTAN. its very close to > > > release, is web2c 7.3 and pdftex 0.13d. > > Tetex 0.9 (beta?) is that stable that RedHat seems to include it in > RH 6.0, which is used commercially. yes, and RedHat seems to have made a mess of it. there are several reports that they butchered teTeX, as well as taking an arbitrary snapshot. there *will* be a teTeX 1.0, and I for one do not blame Thomas for sticking with the beta tag until he is happy Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 08:37:08 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25205 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02518 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:17:05 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02514 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:17:00 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13943; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22705; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:17:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199905271417.QAA22705@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: A little bit of all In-Reply-To: <199905271238.NAA12608@nag.co.uk> from David Carlisle at "May 27, 99 01:38:03 pm" To: davidc@nag.co.uk (David Carlisle) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:17:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > \centering > \pdfimage > > that won't center the image as \pdfimage is not a latex command. > > > This seems to not work properly with my distribution. > > what goes wrong? \pdfimage produces a whatsit node. I don't know what \centering does exactly, but I guess it sets \leftskip, \rightskip etc. To center the image, \pdfimage should be used in horizontal mode like: {\centering \noindent\pdfimage{image}\par} The \par command ends the paragraph containing the image before the value of \leftskip and others are restored. I would use \centerline{\pdfimage{image}} Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 08:39:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25254 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:39:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02579 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:21:28 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02576 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:21:14 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id PAA12742; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:20:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:20:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905271420.PAA12742@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199905271417.QAA22705@anxur.fi.muni.cz> (message from Han The Thanh on Thu, 27 May 1999 16:17:02 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: <199905271417.QAA22705@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I would use > \centerline{\pdfimage{image}} yes but then that's two commands that are not really latex:-) \centering \includegraphics works, and makes switching between tex and pdftex so much easier as the document doesn't need to change:-) David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 08:51:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25582 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02755 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:34:52 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02752 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:34:51 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.147]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4215; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:34:18 +0200 Message-ID: <374D5371.E847DCD8@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:15:13 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Smith, Stephen" CC: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Smith, Stephen wrote: > with no imbedded preview bitmap. Han The Thanh's point about how ps printed > by Acroreader defines the whole included pdf images as a procedure stored on > stack is interesting. This may suggest that the problem could actually This depends on the level. As far as I can see, the pdf file is nearly still pdf, but preceded by a ps header that implements a pdf-like handler. Pdf is based on objects, which is not so much the problem, but Xforms are. These are present in PS level 2, but rather weak. In general level 2 ps gives less problems that level 1, if only because compression is more natural to level 2. With pdf being part pf ps level 3, this problem will disappear some day. Keep in mind that one of the orriginal aims of pdf was fast (distributed) ripping of large files: distill the file and render on distributed technology etc etc. > occur before the troublesome graphic is encountered. Note that in my > original posting the postscript version of the LaTeX document created using > dvips printed without problems and the pdf version of the troublesome > graphic printed fine from Acroreader. It is only when the whole document is > put together via pdfLaTeX (\includegraphics) that I run into trouble, so my > problem may have deeper roots. Maybe the problem is bigger when more graphics are collected on one page. > As to the final purpose of this exercise: > needs I would take a page from Brian Ripley's book and provide ps (via > dvips) for printing and pdf for viewing but ps files on a public website > accessible by fishermen, staff and others wouldn't be much help. I'm still not sure why you do not distribute pdf. These should print ok in most cases because the reader has to take care of this. I never ran into trouble with graohics, but I did when printing 2000 page documents with lots of fonts: some hz experiments with many instances of fonts sort of randomly distributed on those 2000 pages. These documents could only be printed in 255 page quantities. > Converting the pdf to ps using a package other than acroread may be quite > helpful in diagnosing my problems but not an option in the final > distribution of the document. Perhaps investing in distiller may be the > quickest solution. You can try this: - export to ps (include the fonts and use the real export filter, not the printer driver!) - distill the file to pdf again - if needed do this a few more times Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 08:51:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA25614 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02737 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:34:13 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02734 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:34:12 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.147]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA328; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:21 +0200 Message-ID: <374D5043.C92D33B1@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:01:39 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> <199905271238.NAA12608@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > \centering > \pdfimage > > that won't center the image as \pdfimage is not a latex command. It's a pdftex primitive, returning a box with the images dimensions. Maybe a \leavevmode will help you out? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 09:03:50 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25979 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02829 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:38:39 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02823 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:38:35 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id PAA13596; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:37:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:37:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905271437.PAA13596@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <374D5043.C92D33B1@wxs.nl> (message from Hans Hagen on Thu, 27 May 1999 16:01:39 +0200) Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> <199905271238.NAA12608@nag.co.uk> <374D5043.C92D33B1@wxs.nl> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Maybe a \leavevmode will help you out? Pah! you're as bad as Thanh:-) If the problem is: using a primitive comand does not work in a latex context the solution is: use the appropriate latex command instead It isn't : remove all the surrounding latex commands and write your document just using virtex, or add more plain tex commands to compensate! David [The lAtEx police] From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 10:02:01 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA27608 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA04147 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:43:38 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04144 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:43:36 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA33392; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:43:24 +0200 Message-ID: <374D68FD.EF6D5E6F@ulg.ac.be> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:47:11 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark de Wit CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ok , I have tell I am a beginner in pdfTeX but I have verified my source file in LaTeX before. It is obvious that in mac, directory path need : and not/. I will never boring this list with such a stupid question. Thanks on helping me on the other questions. Mark de Wit wrote: > Remember that on a Mac, you need to use the form > \graphicspath{:img:} -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 10:04:34 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA27697 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA04043 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:34:08 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04040 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:34:04 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats [163.1.20.20]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA18799; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:34:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905271534.QAA18799@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:34:31 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian Ripley Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley Subject: Re: Prinitg from pdf To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: SmithSJ@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca, pdftex@tug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: IHUndlojfAilpmPgL+grPQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:15:13 +0200 > From: Hans Hagen > > As to the final purpose of this exercise: > > > needs I would take a page from Brian Ripley's book and provide ps (via > > dvips) for printing and pdf for viewing but ps files on a public website > > accessible by fishermen, staff and others wouldn't be much help. > > I'm still not sure why you do not distribute pdf. These should print ok > in most cases because the reader has to take care of this. I never ran > into trouble with graohics, but I did when printing 2000 page documents > with lots of fonts: some hz experiments with many instances of fonts > sort of randomly distributed on those 2000 pages. These documents could > only be printed in 255 page quantities. Yes, in most cases, but I got tired of dealing with the remaining ones! I do distribute pdf and ps: the user can choose. No one recently has complained that they cannot print one of the two. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 10:51:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA29203 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA04474 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:26:16 -0400 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04471 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:26:12 -0400 Received: from acm.org (ats@nb22-pool-12.wustl.edu [128.252.113.12]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14717; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:25:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ats@localhost) by acm.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15758; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:25:43 -0500 To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: marcov@stack.nl, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> <14157.23847.877646.967574@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Alan Shutko Date: 27 May 1999 10:26:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 14:56:39 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 15 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > yes, and RedHat seems to have made a mess of it. there are several > reports that they butchered teTeX, as well as taking an arbitrary > snapshot. They've done so in the past, but RH6's seems quite usable. I've been using it for a few weeks now and haven't noticed any problems.It's workable enough that I got rid of my tetex tree, though I'll probably get rid of RH's when I get TL4. -- Alan Shutko - Looking for a job in Long Island! Check http://rescomp.wustl.edu/~ats/ for a resume. Good news is just life's way of keeping you off balance. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 10:59:51 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA29424 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA04597 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:43:49 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04594 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:43:46 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.170]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1C76; Thu, 27 May 1999 18:43:14 +0200 Message-ID: <374D73FF.CEEB6BB4@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:34:07 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> <199905271238.NAA12608@nag.co.uk> <374D5043.C92D33B1@wxs.nl> <199905271437.PAA13596@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > > > Maybe a \leavevmode will help you out? > > Pah! you're as bad as Thanh:-) > > If the problem is: > > using a primitive comand does not work in a latex context > > the solution is: > > use the appropriate latex command instead Recently I wrote someone an latex interface for some mp graphics/fonts inclusion hack needed for dvipsone. There we encountered a similar problem with the latex graphics include graphics command. All these thing shave to do with the sometimes not clear automatics of tex, 'in what mode are we', 'is this or that system provided skip already inserted', 'how do we avoid this box being \hsize width', etc. That kind of things sometimes forces one to behave 'bad' -) BTW, \leavevmode is one of the fuzziest ones I know, although, \ifinner is even worse. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 11:11:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA29758 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA04815 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:03:08 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA04810 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:03:05 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 27 May 99 18:03:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:03:03 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 Message-ID: <19990527180303.B5815@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> <14157.23847.877646.967574@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14157.23847.877646.967574@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from Sebastian Rahtz on Thu, May 27, 1999 at 02:56:39PM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 02:56:39PM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > yes, and RedHat seems to have made a mess of it. there are several > reports that they butchered teTeX, as well as taking an arbitrary > snapshot. Are some snapshots of teTeX less "arbitrary" than others? > there *will* be a teTeX 1.0, and I for one do not blame Thomas for > sticking with the beta tag until he is happy I have found that all the versions I have compiled -- about four -- have worked perfectly well. In fact teTeX is easily the most reliable program I know. What I think would be useful would be for some clever person to write a script which would create RPMs from teTeX-src . It's really a bit absurd to re-compile all these additional programs -- like libwww and texinfo -- each time. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 13:35:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA04033 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA05477 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:11:21 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05474 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:11:06 -0400 Received: from remote142-97.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.97] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10n5YT-0006W5-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:11:02 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527211143.007a7920@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:11:43 +0200 To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: A little bit of all Cc: pdfTeX liste In-Reply-To: <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> References: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 13:58 27.05.99 +0200, Pierre-Alexandre Blanche wrote: >Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > >> Do you use the PostScript versions or the pk fonts? > >Yes but I am not sure : I am using the fonts delivered with CMacTeX Look at the terminal of the pdftex run, the fonts appears after the map files, but they aren't written to the log file (0.13b) :-( >Hyper links are produced with hyperref package and \ref command. I do not >use links external to the document Which hyperref version? >geodif.pdf and geodif.tex can be found at the following address: >http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/PDFtex/ Sorry, no time to look for all the needed files. Use short test files instead to describe problems. >> 1. What kind of images do you use (PNG, JPG, PDF, ...)? > >I am using pdf image converted from eps with acrobat distiller. Is the /MediaBox or /CropBox correct? >> 3. Don't use the low level command \pdfimage directly, for portability >> and compatibility use the graphics package instead. > >Command used is : >\begin{figure}[ht] > \centering > \pdfimage width 11.5cm figure.pdf > \caption{caption} > \label{fig:myfigure} >\end{figure} Better: \centering \includegraphics[width=11.5cm]{figure} And you use a very old pdfTeX. In the new versions starting with 0.13a the syntax of that primitve has changed: \pdfimage width 11.5cm {figure.pdf} Therefore I recommend updating your pdfTeX. (Which version do you use?) >> >*\includegraphics command do not work properly but it is used in the >> >geodif.tex exemple (the figure do not appears in the pdf file) >[...] >> But the example below works for me: >> \documentclass{article} >> \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} >> \begin{document} >> \graphicspath{{img/}} >> \includegraphics[width=2cm]{xy} >> \end{document} > >This seems to not work properly with my distribution. Send a test file with .log file. Without further informations I cannot help. Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 13:53:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA04593 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA05618 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:45:24 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05614 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:45:23 -0400 Received: from n244-190.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.244.190]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10n65Z-0007nN-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:45:15 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: A little bit of all From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:45:12 +0200 Message-ID: <1dsh2rr.1d63wb57tgle2M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mark de Wit wrote: > Remember that on a Mac, you need to use the form > \graphicspath{:img:} That would have to be \graphicspath{{:img:}} However, this applies only to OzTeX. CMacTeX should be able to handle both (or maybe even the Unix form only, I'm not sure). -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 14:47:05 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA06184 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06016 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:41:43 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06013 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:41:40 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06440; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:41:35 -0400 To: David Carlisle Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: A little bit of all References: <3.0.6.32.19990527124604.00798760@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <374D3356.A0FFAF1D@ulg.ac.be> <199905271238.NAA12608@nag.co.uk> <374D5043.C92D33B1@wxs.nl> <199905271437.PAA13596@nag.co.uk> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 27 May 1999 16:41:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: David Carlisle's message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 15:37:40 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle writes: > the solution is: > > use the appropriate latex command instead > > It isn't : > > remove all the surrounding latex commands and write your document just > using virtex, or add more plain tex commands to compensate! No, no! You must allow the bad talk to continue so that poor eplain users may benefit from their badness! ;) -- --Ed Cashin [who never liked LaTeX but is ecashin@coe.uga.edu feeling the pressure] From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 19:12:09 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA13661 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA06739 for pdftex-list; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:08:09 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA06736 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:08:08 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.214]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAB2A; Fri, 28 May 1999 03:07:36 +0200 Message-ID: <374DDF0B.EA3D9071@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:10:51 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: tetex as being beta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Because I know that Thomas has good reasons for keeping the tag 'beta' on tetex, and because tetex is not that beta at all, and because its best to let the creator speak, I asked Thomas to explain the 'beta' tag on behalf of this list. Here is his answer: teTeX 0.9 as distribution of subpackages is *beta*. This is because of the quality of the overall setup and documentation does not yet meet my standards. However, I have not done any modifications to the subpackages that makes them less useful or less stable. I think that each subpackage contained in teTeX is at least as "good" as its last release. Therefore, the "beta" tag should not be used as reason to install the individual subpackages instead of the teTeX distribution (unless, however, you think to be able to set up a TeX system better than me). Installing individual subpackages causes much more work than installing teTeX. Thomas ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 27 23:51:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA20000 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA07360 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 01:47:19 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA07357 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 01:47:16 -0400 Received: from max100.public.ox.ac.uk (max100.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.100]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA20267; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:47:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:45:24 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian D Ripley To: Hans Hagen cc: pdftex Subject: Re: tetex as being beta In-Reply-To: <374DDF0B.EA3D9071@wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 May 1999, Hans Hagen wrote: > Because I know that Thomas has good reasons for keeping the tag 'beta' > on tetex, and because tetex is not that beta at all, and because its > best to let the creator speak, I asked Thomas to explain the 'beta' tag > on behalf of this list. Here is his answer: > > teTeX 0.9 as distribution of subpackages is *beta*. This is because of > the quality of the overall setup and documentation does not yet meet my > standards. However, I have not done any modifications to the subpackages > that makes them less useful or less stable. I think that each subpackage > contained in teTeX is at least as "good" as its last release. Therefore, > the "beta" tag should not be used as reason to install the individual > subpackages instead of the teTeX distribution (unless, however, you > think to be able to set up a TeX system better than me). Installing > individual subpackages causes much more work than installing teTeX. > > Thomas I'm sorry but I don't think that helps at all. First, teTeX-0.4 is not labelled as beta on CTAN, so presumably that does meet Thomas' standards (despite being very out of date). Secondly, we are told (and have been told repeatedly for many months) that 0.9 is `near release', so is what we have a beta of teTeX-0.9, or will teTeX-0.9 be a beta of teTeX-1.0? Third, I don't think users (including on this list) are seeing this as `a distribution of subpackages': it is the only distribution of web2c-based TeX available to us that can be used to compile pdftex. So we have the situation that the only valid TeX distribution for pdftex is one that is labelled `beta' and is only released as snapshots. Further, an incompatible change in the level of web2c happened as part of that series of snapshots. Now, we put up beta software that has firm releases, but I do not usually allow my sysadmins to put up development snapshots. I have taken the view that TexLive4 was a particularly significant snapshot, but I have sympathy with those who do not want to put up snapshots, as they open themselves to vastly increased demands to install the current snapshot of many, many systems. And we have the problem of, for example, is the teTeX-0.9 on TeXLive4 better or worse than that in RedHat 6.0 (both are snapshots, both referred to as -0.9), and are the BaKoMa fonts on TeXLive4 the same as those as teTeX/fptex on TeXLive4 and we are told these are better than those on CTAN. Now all these things can be checked out, but they are time-consuming for all of us users. This is by no means unique to teTeX. The R statistical system on which I work is `beta': it is currently at 0.64.1. Every month or so a version is released, and like teTeX it has daily snapshots. We do not encourage general users to install the snapshots, only the releases, and perhaps only the major-version (0.64) releases. So my idea of the ethos (and this seemed explicit for teTeX a while ago when the snapshots were not on CTAN and were in a `private' directory) is that snapshots are intended for developers only. I think this _is_ a pdftex issue, as not so long ago one could compile pdftex by getting the current release version of web2c from CTAN. Now one needs to get a teTeX-src snapshot (which is considerably larger, and takes an hour or so across a modem line). In a sense pdftex has become part of a specific snapshot-only TeX distribution, not just web2c, and that concerns me a little. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 05:38:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA27857 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 05:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA09208 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:17:19 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09204 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:17:17 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.223]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5B9E; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:16:44 +0200 Message-ID: <374E4FE7.638D38FC@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:12:23 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Prof Brian D Ripley CC: pdftex Subject: Re: tetex as being beta References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Prof Brian D Ripley wrote: > I'm sorry but I don't think that helps at all. First, teTeX-0.4 is not > labelled as beta on CTAN, so presumably that does meet Thomas' standards > (despite being very out of date). Secondly, we are told (and have been > told repeatedly for many months) that 0.9 is `near release', so is what we > have a beta of teTeX-0.9, or will teTeX-0.9 be a beta of teTeX-1.0? Third, Especially linux distributers want to have the copyright issues sorted out and the first official tetex release will confirm to standards concerning free (like) software. This phenomena also concerns tex distributions, because for instance some of the widely used tools, like GS, have restrictions, and cannot longer be included by default. Secondly there is the tetex installation program. As far as I know, this will be enhanced before the final release comes out. > I don't think users (including on this list) are seeing this as `a > distribution of subpackages': it is the only distribution of web2c-based > TeX available to us that can be used to compile pdftex. So we have the Are you sure about that? PDFtex is based on web2c and you can get that without tetex. > situation that the only valid TeX distribution for pdftex is one that is > labelled `beta' and is only released as snapshots. Further, an Well, apart from tetex, pdftex is as beta (alpha) as can be! Features can (and have and will) be added/changed/removed etc. > incompatible change in the level of web2c happened as part of that series > of snapshots. What changes are you refering to? Most things are rather stable. > Now, we put up beta software that has firm releases, but I do not usually > allow my sysadmins to put up development snapshots. I have taken the view > that TexLive4 was a particularly significant snapshot, but I have sympathy > with those who do not want to put up snapshots, as they open themselves to > vastly increased demands to install the current snapshot of many, many > systems. And we have the problem of, for example, is the teTeX-0.9 on > TeXLive4 better or worse than that in RedHat 6.0 (both are snapshots, both > referred to as -0.9), and are the BaKoMa fonts on TeXLive4 the same as > those as teTeX/fptex on TeXLive4 and we are told these are better than > those on CTAN. Now all these things can be checked out, but they > are time-consuming for all of us users. Indeed. File naming (take for instance the hyphenation patterns), duplication, conflicting fonts, dvi drivers using different special syntaxes, ... lots protential problems. TeTeX/FpTeX and therefore texlive 4 sorts this out pretty well. I know thomas and sebastian have spend lots of time to make sure there are no duplications, the latest stable things are used etc. In my opinion, the change that a sysadm makes a mess of it is far greater: wrong path settings, old versions of whatever found earlier in the search paths, etc. > This is by no means unique to teTeX. The R statistical system on which I > work is `beta': it is currently at 0.64.1. Every month or so a version is > released, and like teTeX it has daily snapshots. We do not encourage > general users to install the snapshots, only the releases, and perhaps only > the major-version (0.64) releases. So my idea of the ethos (and this > seemed explicit for teTeX a while ago when the snapshots were not on CTAN > and were in a `private' directory) is that snapshots are intended for > developers only. yes, but unfortunately pdftex is updated regularly and therefore snapshots are needed. Also, because people want to use the latest releases of all kind of hyperthings, tex sources needs updating too, and these can have dependancies etc etc. > I think this _is_ a pdftex issue, as not so long ago one could compile > pdftex by getting the current release version of web2c from CTAN. Now one > needs to get a teTeX-src snapshot (which is considerably larger, and takes > an hour or so across a modem line). In a sense pdftex has become part of a > specific snapshot-only TeX distribution, not just web2c, and that concerns > me a little. I still don't understand this. You can still use web2c as separate entity. And web2c is changing on a regular basis too, so actually also sort of continuous beta. Do your sysadms install the latest versions of IE, MSWin, etc? How about patches (like the security hole fixing ones)? Maybe paid-for daily updates and patches are considered less beta by the sysadm people ... Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 05:40:04 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA27893 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 05:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA09342 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:31:26 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09338 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:31:22 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats [163.1.20.20]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA21809; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:32:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199905281132.MAA21809@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:32:02 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian Ripley Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley Subject: Re: tetex as being beta To: pragma@wxs.nl Cc: pdftex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: CytLRqSoF6+CUOkwoSTRFQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans, I think you have lost the thread, literally. In February we had: > Where is web2c-7.3 (beta4), needed to compile pdftex 0.13b ? > Someone has already asked in the list, but I haven't seen > any answer, please ... It was me and I've received private answer from Thanh. Try ftp://ftp.tug.org/private and on May 24: Although I am happily using pdftex 0.13d on my win32 system, thanks to Fabrice, I would like to encourage people at my work place to adopt it. Our System Administrator kindly agreed to update our TeX installation, and duly downloaded web2c 7.2 from CTAN. Unfortunately, the pdfTeX included in this was 0.12h, which, as you know, is very old. web2c 7.3 is not on CTAN; it seems not to have been released officially. I saw a message a while ago saying that it exists at ftp.tug.org/private (or some such), but I am somewhat reluctant to urge the System Administrator to pinch something marked "private". When is web2c 7.3 due to be fully released? Alternatively, can one get a reasonably recent pdftex that will work with web2c 7.2? > Are you sure about that? PDFtex is based on web2c and you can get that > without tetex. It is based on web2c 7.3, and AFAIK I cannot get that without teTeX. That is where this thread started! As Sebastian said: web2c 7.3 itself will not be released. its "checkpoint" is the sources on TeX Live 4, but Olaf Weber plans to release 7.3a or 7.3b at some point soon, with some later changes > > incompatible change in the level of web2c happened as part of that series > > of snapshots. > > What changes are you refering to? Most things are rather stable. Web2c 7.3, of course. > I still don't understand this. You can still use web2c as separate > entity. And web2c is changing on a regular basis too, so actually also > sort of continuous beta. You might understand it if you had read your emails! I hope those above explain the problem to you. > Do your sysadms install the latest versions of IE, MSWin, etc? How about > patches (like the security hole fixing ones)? Maybe paid-for daily > updates and patches are considered less beta by the sysadm people ... Yes, they do do all that, for security reasons only. Security against actual ongoing attacks are very high priority. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 07:10:24 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA29996 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA10357 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:56:40 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10354 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:56:39 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.100]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA52BE; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:56:06 +0200 Message-ID: <374E9228.325807FE@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:55:04 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Prof Brian Ripley , pdftex Subject: Re: tetex as being beta References: <199905281132.MAA21809@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <374E9187.FC7997E8@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Brian wrote: > Hans, > > I think you have lost the thread, literally. In February we had: Sorry. > Although I am happily using pdftex 0.13d on my win32 system, > thanks to Fabrice, I would like to encourage people at my > work place to adopt it. Our System Administrator kindly agreed to > update our TeX installation, and duly downloaded web2c 7.2 from CTAN. > Unfortunately, the pdfTeX included in this was 0.12h, which, as > you know, is very old. But, isn't it possible to only update the pdftex binaries on systems other than win32? > You might understand it if you had read your emails! I hope those above > explain the problem to you. Well, I do read my email, but probably lack understanding of the problem. My main point (in misunderstanding) is that I never upload tens of megabytes, only precompiled binaries. I was under the impression (from earlier mails) that you ran windows, and, whatever system the binaries come from (thanh, fabrice), just uploading them and copying them into the right path, works ok. (If for keeping myself up to date I had to recompile tons of code, I would probably have quit using tex long ago -) I only entered this discussion because it started focusing on th ebeta character of something rather stable -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 07:16:44 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA00145 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA10392 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:05:33 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10389 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:05:32 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07124; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:05:44 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: superimposing two pdfimages for speed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 28 May 1999 09:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to make a printable pdf version of a very complex business form. I've found MetaPost to be a godsend; it handles shading and complex line drawing easily. Everything is going pretty nicely. One concern I have is the speed at which I can produce the pdf. I have an idea for optimizing the production of the pdf: I could make two MetaPost figures. One would contain all of the graphics of the form. The other would contain all of the text that the user has filled in and would change depending on what information the user provides. That way, the former file, the one with the (un-filled-out) form, could be pre-processed by MetaPost. Only the user's text would be processed at run time. Then I would include both images in the tex code and run pdftex. The trick would be getting the user's text to be superimposed on the figure of the form. I'm not sure how to approach this. I should mention that I'm not using LaTeX but plain TeX and eplain. If there is an easy way to do this please let me know. I've started plumbing the depths of the supp-pdf.tex and spec-tpd.tex files. So far I am pretty lost, but maybe it will hit me all of the sudden. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 07:33:26 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA00557 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA10574 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:23:26 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10571 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:23:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22727 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:22:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex Subject: Re: tetex as being beta In-Reply-To: <374E9228.325807FE@wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 May 1999, Hans Hagen wrote: > But, isn't it possible to only update the pdftex binaries on > systems other than win32? Yes. I've (temporarily) given up trying to compile the new pdftex under Linux and have taken to downloading the binaries that Thanh has made available. If I'm not mistaken, though, it's possible to distribute a source package for a single program (like pdftex) with enough of the current (7.3) web2c apparatus to have it compile correctly, and still have the package of a fairly modest size. Isn't that what's been done with the new t1-using xdvi betas? Allin Cottrell. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 08:49:10 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA02727 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:49:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA11386 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:35:20 -0400 Received: from turbot.dfo.ca (cod.mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca [142.176.61.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11383 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:35:17 -0400 Received: id LAA11833; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:37:53 -0300 Received: by gateway id <01JBQ9KUV9K0000KW3@BIONET.bio.dfo.ca> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:33:43 AST Received: by gateway id ; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:34:20 -0300 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:33:58 -0300 From: "Smith, Stephen" Subject: RE: Printing from pdf To: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Here is something interesting. Further to my problems with printing from pdf/acroread, if I take the ps file for the whole document from dvips and then run it through epstopdf.pl (and perl) then everything prints out fine?! Stephen Smith From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 09:33:45 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA04050 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA11745 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:21:36 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11742 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:21:34 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 May 99 16:21:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:21:33 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: tetex as being beta Message-ID: <19990528162133.A8685@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199905281132.MAA21809@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199905281132.MAA21809@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk>; from Prof Brian Ripley on Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:32:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:32:02PM +0100, Prof Brian Ripley wrote: > It is based on web2c 7.3, and AFAIK I cannot get that without teTeX. Just to express a contrary view. I think it is great that web2c-7.3 is only available with teTeX. I hope this means the two will merge. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 10:08:41 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA05285 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA11993 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:52:34 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11989 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:52:32 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.162]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3872; Fri, 28 May 1999 17:51:43 +0200 Message-ID: <374EB62D.FB311B42@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:28:45 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ed L. Cashin" CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: superimposing two pdfimages for speed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin wrote: > figure of the form. I'm not sure how to approach this. I should > mention that I'm not using LaTeX but plain TeX and eplain. In context this is achieved by the overlay mechanism. One can build layers of text and graphics and whatever needed. This kind of things need cooperation of the output routine (and a bit more). An example of extensive cooperation between tex and metapost can be found in the 1999-003 up-to-date document at our site (www.pragma-ade.nl->context->downloading->uptodate); it shows how tex can do flowcharts with graphics, movies etc. All supperimposed. BTW, I recently posted a pdftex generated complex form on our site. A few thousand fields with some summarizing calculations done in JS. (www.pragma-ade.nl->pdfexamples->travel) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 10:40:50 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA06337 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA13939 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:21:51 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13936 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:21:48 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA10392; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:21:58 -0400 To: Hans Hagen Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: superimposing two pdfimages for speed References: <374EB62D.FB311B42@wxs.nl> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 28 May 1999 12:21:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Hans Hagen's message of "Fri, 28 May 1999 17:28:45 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > Ed L. Cashin wrote: > > > figure of the form. I'm not sure how to approach this. I should > > mention that I'm not using LaTeX but plain TeX and eplain. > > In context this is achieved by the overlay mechanism. OK. My will has snapped. I am going down to the university bookstore to get Lamport's book right now, then maybe I'll be able to use the context package like a normal user. Still, I'm surprised I can't just do something simple like "\smash". -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 10:47:43 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA06532 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA14102 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:38:54 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14099 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:38:53 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (Mailer 3.01) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 May 1999 17:38:39 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA13495; Fri, 28 May 1999 17:38:31 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:38:30 +0100 (BST) To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Cc: Hans Hagen , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: superimposing two pdfimages for speed In-Reply-To: References: <374EB62D.FB311B42@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14158.50522.991558.339579@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed Hope you didn't leave yet! > > OK. My will has snapped. I am going down to the university bookstore > to get Lamport's book right now, then maybe I'll be able to use the > context package like a normal user. A wasted journey for two reasons: a: context is not a LaTeX package but a LaTeX vanquisher (maybe:-). b: Lamport's book does not decribe many LaTeX packages: for that you need The LaTeX Companion(s) (also A-W/Longmans). But buy Leslie's book whilst you are there! > > Still, I'm surprised I can't just do something simple like "\smash". Sorry, that's not LaTeX:-). chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 28 12:47:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA10092 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA15099 for pdftex-list; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:39:37 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15095 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:39:35 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10495; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:39:43 -0400 To: Chris Rowley Cc: Hans Hagen , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: superimposing two pdfimages for speed References: <374EB62D.FB311B42@wxs.nl> <14158.50522.991558.339579@fell.open.ac.uk> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 28 May 1999 14:39:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Chris Rowley's message of "Fri, 28 May 1999 17:38:30 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley writes: > Ed > > Hope you didn't leave yet! Too late!!! :() > > OK. My will has snapped. I am going down to the university bookstore > > to get Lamport's book right now, then maybe I'll be able to use the > > context package like a normal user. > > A wasted journey for two reasons: > > a: context is not a LaTeX package but a LaTeX vanquisher (maybe:-). Oh. Well that sounds good to me! > b: Lamport's book does not decribe many LaTeX packages: for that you > need The LaTeX Companion(s) (also A-W/Longmans). I have access to that book. I'll look and see if context is in there tonight. But before then I will go and give the pragma website a thorough scouring. Thanks for your help. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 02:22:05 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA29282 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA21166 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 04:16:13 -0400 Received: from server2.cybercomm.nl (server2.cybercomm.nl [194.235.113.19]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA21163 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 04:16:07 -0400 Received: from PC709 (poort62-ip-x2.enertel.cybercomm.nl [194.235.118.62]) by server2.cybercomm.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05726; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:16:06 +0200 From: Taco Hoekwater Message-ID: <14159.41588.250000.955709@PC709> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:16:52 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) To: Thierry Bouche Cc: pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: HZ-like pdftex In-Reply-To: <199905271215.OAA24154@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199905271215.OAA24154@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under Emacs 20.3.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "TB" == Thierry Bouche writes: TB> Hi all, I'm back from GUT'99 in Lyon where i showed a demo of TB> pdftex's hz H&J algorithms. TB> file (i suspect that the FontMatrix hacking is difficult to do TB> without downloading the font). I have encountered many problems TB> with MM fonts (Minion) although i'm not yet absolutely sure whose TB> fault it was (my scripts, the mminstance tools, afm2tfm producing TB> buggy 8r metrics, or pdftex). My two tests (one in pdf mode, the All of them a little, maybe. You need the latest version of the mminstance tools at least, because Thanh has discovered a lot of bugs in it. For the current version, see: http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~eddietwo/type/ afm2tfm is not reliable at all, unless you let it create vpl files as well. There is a lot of weirdness in this program, and I hope to get around to doing a re-implementation sometime in the future. Don't forget the bugs in Acrobat, btw. I cannot print any of these pdfs with the reader version 3.02, but strangely the exchange from 3.01 is ok. TB> On the implementation: The 4 pdf files required 1062 auxiliary TB> metric files (2 VF + 1 TFM per font, 1 pfb in case of MM fonts) May approach was tftopl -> perl script -> pltotf. This was easier because I already had the master TFM. Using a reasonable encoding instead of 8t allows you to create no VF files, which saves a lot of space. TB> using 15 Mb of disk space. And i didn't use expert fonts because TB> of the enormous amount of time needed by fontinst if i were to do TB> all of this with 9e fonts. TB> While doing all of this, I wondered if it could not be possible TB> to do the scaling inside pdftex (trivial for SM fonts, maybe not TB> so hard using the library functions in mminstance for MM fonts) TB> so that all these TFM/VF could be avoided. Of course, the dvi Experiments so far seem to indicate that for the kerning (and perhaps the sidebars as well) you need special adjustments that are not just a percentage of the non-changed version. Doing the files in the exe would save a lot of disk space, but you loose a lot of control. Greetings, Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 05:03:19 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA02523 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA22556 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:57:56 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22553 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:57:54 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ngoL-000388-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:57:53 +0100 Received: from max24.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.24] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ngoK-00052S-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:57:52 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14159.48953.853453.202703@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:19:37 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: Kevin@Ivory.de Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Kevin Ivory ] In-Reply-To: <199905271645.MAA04622@tug.org> References: <199905271645.MAA04622@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I am using pdftex 0.13d and hyperref 6.58. > > To get the hyperlinks for my \addcontentsline items working for the > bookmark list, I use something like: > > \chapter*{Lebenslauf}\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{Lebenslauf} > \ifpdftex\pdfbookmark{Lebenslauf}{cvitae}\fi > > For the bookmarks this works fine, but it doesn't work in the > tableofcontents of the PDF file. Is a workaround available for > the tableofcontents as well? not yet, but in a day or two when I debug it, I'll have \addcontentsline working properly in situations like this. i hope. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 05:03:35 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA02536 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA22562 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:58:07 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22559 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:58:06 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ngoW-0007RT-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:58:04 +0100 Received: from max24.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.24] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ngoV-0001Us-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:58:03 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14159.49130.564863.504623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:22:34 +0100 (BST) To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <19990527180303.B5815@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> <14157.23847.877646.967574@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990527180303.B5815@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 02:56:39PM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > yes, and RedHat seems to have made a mess of it. there are several > > reports that they butchered teTeX, as well as taking an arbitrary > > snapshot. > > Are some snapshots of teTeX less "arbitrary" than others? yes, those that Thomas knows are being taken. such as TeX Live 4. knowing what I was doing, Thomas was not making huge changes at that stage. > What I think would be useful would be for some clever person > to write a script which would create RPMs from teTeX-src . I plan to start generating .debs from TeX Live, FWIW. Debian seems more organic and additive free than red hat.. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 05:07:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA02619 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA22571 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:58:38 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22568 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:58:37 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ngp2-00038Q-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:58:36 +0100 Received: from max24.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.24] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ngp1-0001X8-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:58:36 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14159.50191.313026.337515@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:40:15 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Message too long (>40000 chars) In-Reply-To: <199905281037.GAA08846@tug.org> References: <199905281037.GAA08846@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pierre wrote > > All right, goes on further, > > Some of you have asked for an example file that shows the problems I have > got. > > Here they are. > pdftex.tex : source file > pdftex.bbl : bibliography file > pdftex.pdf : compiled with pdfTeX, pdf file > pdftex.dvi : compiled with OzTeX, dvi file > pdfTeX.log : log file after pdfteX run > Cx-Cy.pdf : image file in pdf (converted with adobe acrobat distiller from > eps) > this mail exceeded the limits of the mail list software, so it has not gone out. but > Version of pdfTeX used is 0.12r distributed with CMaCTeX. I do not know how > to instal a newer one. I think we would all agree that trying to reconstruct problems with pdftex 0.12r is not rewarding. you need to talk to Tom Kiffe and persuade him to updated pdftex in CMacTeX its also plain that you are not using the pdftex backends for eg the color package... Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 08:05:59 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA06168 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 08:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA24403 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 09:57:40 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24399 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 09:57:36 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03173 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:57:30 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <374FF389.27AE9D04@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:02:49 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: web2c 7.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk After I forwarded the information this discussion generated to my sysadmin person he obtained the tetex stuff and successfully compiled everything ... but he's rather angry about it all because it took rather a lot of his time getting it all to work. But it seemed to be getting rather important to have a decent version of pdftex on our digital alphas, and there seemed to be no sign that a non-beta version would ever eventuate. I gather from the discussion that it was decided to release web2c 7.3 only via the TeX Live CD, and not put it on CTAN. This surprises/disappoints me. For stuff which is free, why not put it on CTAN too? Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 10:04:51 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA08711 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25101 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:01:02 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25098 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:01:00 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 29 May 99 17:00:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:00:58 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 Message-ID: <19990529170058.B17207@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> <14157.23847.877646.967574@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990527180303.B5815@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14159.49130.564863.504623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14159.49130.564863.504623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from Sebastian Rahtz on Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:22:34AM +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:22:34AM +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > What I think would be useful would be for some clever person > > to write a script which would create RPMs from teTeX-src . > > I plan to start generating .debs from TeX Live, FWIW. Debian seems > more organic and additive free than red hat.. That would be very useful, thanks. However, probably 10 to 20 times as many people run RedHat or SuSE Linux as Debian, so RPMs are really the standard. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 10:07:34 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA08790 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25125 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:02:27 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25122 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:02:26 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (Mailer 3.01) with ESMTP; Sat, 29 May 1999 17:02:23 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA19682; Sat, 29 May 1999 17:02:12 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:02:12 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Exact semantics of \pdfannotlink In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <14160.3481.567106.347990@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Please can someone tell me how to predict _in detail_ and _exactly_ what areas (of which abstract `shipped out' pages or XObjects) will get "made active" for all possible placements of a pair: \pdfannotlink .... \pdfendlink anywhere in a TeX document (all modes etc etc). Thanks (lots and lots of them, even a small prize)! chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 11:44:57 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA10973 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA25586 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:38:52 -0400 Received: from wanadoo.fr (root@smtp-out-003.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.78]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25583 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:38:50 -0400 Received: from tour5-75.abo.wanadoo.fr [164.138.91.75] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Sat, 29 May 1999 19:38:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905291738.TAA21949@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Message too long (>40000 chars) Date: Sat, 29 May 99 19:38:49 +0200 x-sender: Michel.Bovani@pop.wanadoo.fr x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0Fv1 , 3 juillet 1997 From: Michel Bovani To: cc: "Pierre-Alexandre Blanche" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Le 29/05/99 12:40, Sebastian Rahtz a dit : >I think we would all agree that trying to reconstruct problems with >pdftex 0.12r is not rewarding. you need to talk to Tom Kiffe and >persuade him to updated pdftex in CMacTeX Tom already did it... (pdftex pdfetex 0.13d) http://www.kiffe.com/tex/pdftex.html -- Michel Bovani From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 11:56:15 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA11218 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA25675 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:51:27 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25670 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:51:25 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA11701; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:51:38 -0400 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: superimposing two pdfimages for speed References: <374EB62D.FB311B42@wxs.nl> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 29 May 1999 13:51:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu's message of "28 May 1999 12:21:58 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) writes: > Still, I'm surprised I can't just do something simple like "\smash". I should have listened to my own vague musings: smash does just fine! All I needed wass to get TeX to ignore the box that the MP figure is in for its typesetting purposes. Smash does that: % demo.tex \null\vskip 8in\smash{\convertMPtoPDF {chair.1} {1}{1}} \smash{\convertMPtoPDF {chair.2} {1}{1}} \bye % demo1.mp beginfig(1); %---------In the real world this will be a horribly-complex %---------figure. draw (0,0) scaled .00001 withcolor white; pickup makepen fullcircle xscaled 5 yscaled .4 rotated 30; path p; p = fullcircle scaled 4u shifted (2.5u,4.5u); fill p withcolor .8 white; draw p; endfig; end % demo2.mp beginfig(2); draw (0,0) scaled .00001 withcolor white; label.rt(btex Superimposed text etex, (1u,4.5u)); endfig; end Still, I'm glad that this thread led me to take a look at context! That is an exciting, visionary package. But as Hagen says in one of the papers there, it is probably the most memory-intensive macro package, and I'm trying to keep the memory requirements as small as possible in this particular case. -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 13:01:10 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA12561 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26466 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 14:56:19 -0400 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26463 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 14:56:17 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07268 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m10noIP-000cssC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Sat, 29 May 1999 20:57:25 +0200 (CEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 References: <374FF389.27AE9D04@mail.usyd.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 29 May 1999 20:57:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: Robert Howlett's message of "Sun, 30 May 1999 00:02:49 +1000" Message-ID: <87yai7emb0.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett writes: > I gather from the discussion that it was decided to release web2c 7.3 > only via the TeX Live CD, and not put it on CTAN. This > surprises/disappoints me. For stuff which is free, why not put it on > CTAN too? On the CD, the sources are embedded in a teTeX-derived framework, on CTAN they're supposed to stand alone. Part of the code needed to get that to work was not written at the point TeX-live was made. There will be a version of web2c on CTAN soon, but it will probably be 7.3.1. -- Olaf Weber Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are quick to anger and have no need for subtlety. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 13:12:11 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA12772 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA26644 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:08:40 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26640 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:08:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10noT9-0003qU-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:08:31 +0100 Received: from rahtz by ermine.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10noT9-0006w2-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:08:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14160.15151.622395.999482@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:08:31 +0100 (BST) To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <374FF389.27AE9D04@mail.usyd.edu.au> References: <374FF389.27AE9D04@mail.usyd.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett writes: > After I forwarded the information this discussion generated to my > sysadmin person he obtained the tetex stuff and successfully compiled > everything ... but he's rather angry about it all because it took > rather a lot of his time getting it all to work. But it seemed to oh lord, how much time? an hour? two hours? > I gather from the discussion that it was decided to release web2c 7.3 > only via the TeX Live CD, and not put it on CTAN. This > surprises/disappoints me. For stuff which is free, why not put it on > CTAN too? > no, no misunderstand. web2c 7.3a or 7.3b will be on CTAN, not the "notional" web2c 7.3 on TL4. Its just waiting for Olaf to package it up sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 29 13:15:26 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA12856 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA26707 for pdftex-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:11:53 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26704 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10noWM-0003tI-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:11:50 +0100 Received: from rahtz by ermine.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10noWL-0006ee-00; Sat, 29 May 1999 20:11:49 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14160.15349.789781.328230@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:11:49 +0100 (BST) To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 In-Reply-To: <19990529170058.B17207@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199905241110.MAA06143@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> <199905271304.PAA05823@silicon.tue.nl> <14157.23847.877646.967574@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990527180303.B5815@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14159.49130.564863.504623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990529170058.B17207@boole.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:22:34AM +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > > What I think would be useful would be for some clever person > > > to write a script which would create RPMs from teTeX-src . > > > > I plan to start generating .debs from TeX Live, FWIW. Debian seems > > more organic and additive free than red hat.. > > That would be very useful, thanks. > However, probably 10 to 20 times as many people run RedHat or SuSE Linux > as Debian, so RPMs are really the standard. sounds like Microsoft talking sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 30 05:13:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA02764 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 05:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA31372 for pdftex-list; Sun, 30 May 1999 07:08:25 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA31369 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 07:08:21 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04656; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:08:02 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37511D4D.26DF7A6E@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:13:17 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: web2c 7.3 References: <374FF389.27AE9D04@mail.usyd.edu.au> <14160.15151.622395.999482@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Robert Howlett writes: > > ... but he's rather angry about it all because it took > > rather a lot of his time getting it all to work. > oh lord, how much time? an hour? two hours? > Days rather than hours. If I get brave, I'll ask him to give me details of the problems he encountered. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 30 07:00:36 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA04922 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 07:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA31402 for pdftex-list; Sun, 30 May 1999 08:54:55 -0400 Received: from localgw.inet.cz (brno-l.router.inet.cz [62.229.34.226]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA31399 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 08:54:53 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (IDENT:root@dialup2.inet.cz [62.229.34.210]) by localgw.inet.cz (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA10008 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:56:09 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA01460; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:19:29 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: bluesky's cmex10.pfb and printing from Acroread 4.0 on Windoze X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.9 on Intel, Linux 2.2.9 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-URL-PGP: http://www.inet.cz/~pjanik X-Phone: +420 5 41321276 ext. 171, +420 5 41321251 ext. 17 X-Spam: No unsolicited e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicited e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 From: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik ml.) Date: 30 May 1999 13:19:26 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 69 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id IAA31400 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, can you try printing testfont's \table for bluesky's cmex10.pfb? When I do SnowWhite:/tmp$ kpsewhich cmex10.pfb /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/fonts/type1/bluesky/cm/cmex10.pfb SnowWhite:/tmp$ pdftex testfont This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/plain/base/testfont.tex[/usr/local/teTeX/shar e/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg] Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n ohyphenation, loaded. Name of the font to test = cmex10 Now type a test command (\help for help):) *\table *\bye ... SnowWhite:/tmp$ The result (testfont.pdf) is not correctly printed form AR 4.0 on WindozeNT, some chars (namely \int or \sum) do not have their bottoms :-( On the contrary AR4.0 on Linux is OK. I have finished my seminary work with a lot of \int's and \sum's and I have only AR3.0 on Linux at home - everything is ok, but when I try to print it on the LaserJet printer in my work from windoze, it was bad... So I must print it from my Linux server from AR4.0. I also realized that fonts from Windoze's version of AR are about 10% bigger than Linux's AR fonts, but it might be problem in AR or my gs configuration. Fox example \int looks like: * * * * * * * Do you also see this problem? SnowWhite:/tmp$ pdftex -v pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13d kpathsea version 3.3 Copyright (C) 1999 Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc. There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX copyright and the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING and the pdfTeX source. Primary author of pdfTeX: Han The Thanh, Petr Sojka, and Jiri Zlatuska. Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. SnowWhite:/tmp$ tetex-beta latest version :-) -- Pavel Janík ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 30 14:37:51 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA14577 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA31847 for pdftex-list; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:25:28 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA31844 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:25:26 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10oC96-0005j3-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:25:24 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10oC96-0007FN-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:25:24 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref package, another test release Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:25:24 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk See http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip This test release fixes (some at least of the) bugs relating to \addcontentsline, and I therefore strongly urge anyone who has had problems with that to give it a try. Then again, it may well not do what you expect. A new option, bookmarkstype, lets you make Acrobat bookmarks from your list of figures or tables, or whatever, not just toc. eg "bookmarkstype=lof". Largely untested.... could have a variety of applications. If you haven't come across hyperref before, it is designed to translate your cross-referencing into a variety of hypertext formats. Used with pdfTeX, it gives you a system for making PDF documents of almost unsurpassed[1] power. Sebastian Rahtz [1] if you want to surpass them, learn Context From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 31 00:42:40 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA27681 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA32632 for pdftex-list; Mon, 31 May 1999 02:35:24 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA32629 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 02:35:22 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10oLfN-0004Eq-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 31 May 1999 07:35:21 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10oLfN-0004Us-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 31 May 1999 07:35:21 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14162.15151.311453.343972@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:33:03 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["Collins, Bernard F. (Skip)" ] In-Reply-To: <199905310041.UAA32052@tug.org> References: <199905310041.UAA32052@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: "Collins, Bernard F. (Skip)" Subject: RE: bluesky's cmex10.pfb and printing from Acroread 4.0 on Windoz I sent a set of files to Thanh which may very well fix your problem. No one has given me independent confirmation that it fixes output on AR 4.0 for Windows. But I know that it fixes font problems similar to what you describe with earlier versions of AR. The file set consists of some virtual fonts, map files and encoding files. I have described how they work in previous messages. Let me know if you would like to try it. In general, I think that folks should pay some attention to work-arounds for Adobe bugs. It is easy to forget that other people will read your pdf files using different software, with different printers and different operating systems. What works fine for you may not for them. Skip Collins Pavel.Janik@inet.cz wrote: > The result (testfont.pdf) is not correctly printed form AR > 4.0 on WindozeNT, > some chars (namely \int or \sum) do not have their bottoms From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 31 01:25:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA28527 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 01:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA32752 for pdftex-list; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:20:06 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA32749 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:20:03 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07702 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 09:20:00 +0200 Message-ID: <37523907.AFB8A5C9@ulg.ac.be> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:23:55 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX liste Subject: A little bit of all ... exemple and precisions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk All right, goes on further, Some of you have asked for an example file that shows the problems I have got. I have tryed to attach them to my message but tug.org has deleted my message. So, if you wan to help me futher ask me directly for the files and I will send them to you. I thank Han The Thanh who has suggested the \centerline command for centering figure. That works properly. The other options suggested do not work. Resolution, color, hyper links shifted, \graphicspath, still to pose problem. Version of pdfTeX used is 0.12r distributed with CMaCTeX. I do not know how to instal a newer one. Version of hyperref used is 6.58 the newest to my knowledge. During compilation pdfTeX dialog is the following (somebody has asked for the font): This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-0.12r (CMacTeX) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/pdftex/base/pdftex .cfg) (pdfTeX.tex LaTeX2e <1998/06/01> (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/base/art icle.cls Document Class: article 1997/06/16 v1.3v Standard LaTeX document class (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/base/siz e12.clo)) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Floatflt /floatflt.sty) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /graphicx.sty (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /keyval.sty) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /graphics.sty (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /trig.sty) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /graphics.cfg) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /dvips.def))) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /color.sty (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /color.cfg) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/Graphics /dvipsnam.def)) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/subfigur e.sty Package: subfigure 1995/03/06 v2.0 ) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/SIunits/ SIunits.sty Package: `SIunits' v0.02 <1998/10/09> (MH) ) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/hyperref /hyperref.sty LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 18, version `1997/11/10' of package keyval, but only version `1995/09/21 v1.09 key=value parser (DPC)' is available. (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/hyperref /nameref.sty) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/hyperref /pd1enc.def) Implicit mode ON; LaTeX internals redefined (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/hyperref /backref.sty) ! LaTeX Error: File `url.sty' not found. Type X to quit or to proceed, or enter new name. (Default extension: sty) Enter file name: ) *hyperref using default driver pdftex* (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/hyperref /hpdftex.def (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/p ifont.sty (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/u pzd.fd) (/Macintosh^^caHD/Applications/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/u psy.fd))) LaTeX Warning: Unused global option(s): [pdf]. (pdfTeX.aux) (pdfTeX.out) (pdfTeX.out) Overfull \hbox (62.87422pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 36--36 [][][]| [1 Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored!] Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier already exists! [1 Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored!] (pdfTeX.bbl (pdfTeX.brf)) Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier already exists! [1 Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! Non-PDF special ignored! <./Cx-Cy.PDF>] (pdfTeX.aux) ) (see the transcript file for additional information) Output written on pdfTeX.pdf (3 pages, 65472 bytes). Transcript written on pdfTeX.log. Elapsed time = 55.4 sec. Thanks to helping me. -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 31 03:22:06 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA00967 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA00342 for pdftex-list; Mon, 31 May 1999 05:08:53 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA00339 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 05:08:51 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10oO3t-0002RD-00; Mon, 31 May 1999 10:08:49 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10oO3t-00009N-00; Mon, 31 May 1999 10:08:49 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14162.24359.173873.463020@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:06:31 +0000 (GMT) To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: A little bit of all ... exemple and precisions In-Reply-To: <37523907.AFB8A5C9@ulg.ac.be> References: <37523907.AFB8A5C9@ulg.ac.be> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pierre-Alexandre Blanche writes: > Resolution, color, hyper links shifted, \graphicspath, still to pose > problem. > > Version of pdfTeX used is 0.12r distributed with CMaCTeX. I do not know > how > to instal a newer one. sorry, but you have to do some "self help" if you use programs like pdftex which are in development. Go back to where you got CMacTeX from, and get a more recent release. > > ! LaTeX Error: File `url.sty' not found. > you had better install it! > [1 > Non-PDF special ignored! you are not using the pdftex backend for the color package > ions/CMacTeX^^ca3.2/Tools/../texmf/fonts/pk/cmbx12.432pk> > ; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA00366 for pdftex-list; Mon, 31 May 1999 05:17:08 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA00363 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 05:17:05 -0400 Received: from remote142-93.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.93] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10oOBm-0001wV-00; Mon, 31 May 1999 11:16:59 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990531105518.007a1a70@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:55:18 +0200 To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be, pdfTeX liste From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: A little bit of all ... exemple and precisions In-Reply-To: <37523907.AFB8A5C9@ulg.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:23 31.05.99 +0200, Pierre-Alexandre Blanche wrote: >LaTeX2e <1998/06/01> >/graphicx.sty >/keyval.sty) >/dvips.def))) >LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 18, version > `1997/11/10' of package keyval, > but only version > `1995/09/21 v1.09 key=value parser (DPC)' > is available. >! LaTeX Error: File `url.sty' not found. >*hyperref using default driver pdftex* >LaTeX Warning: Unused global option(s): > [pdf]. >Non-PDF special ignored! >Non-PDF special ignored! 1. Unused global option "pdf", the graphicx packages loads "dvips.def", Non-PDF specials ==> Use "pdftex" instead of "pdf", so the graphics package knows which driver should be loaded: \documentclass[pdftex,...]{...} 2. Update the graphics package that contains a newer keyval version. 3. url.sty is missing. Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 03:38:24 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA02060 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA02121 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:24:56 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA02118 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:24:53 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13673; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:24:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3753A817.171EB2DA@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:29:59 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rowley CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Exact semantics of \pdfannotlink References: <14160.3481.567106.347990@fell.open.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley wrote: > > Please can someone tell me how to predict _in detail_ and _exactly_ > what areas (of which abstract `shipped out' pages or XObjects) will get > "made active" for all possible placements of a pair: > > \pdfannotlink .... > > \pdfendlink > > anywhere in a TeX document (all modes etc etc). > > Thanks (lots and lots of them, even a small prize)! > > chris Not having observed a great flurry of answers to this, I tried doing some tests. (1) I tried using \pdfannotlink in math mode and pdftex stopped at once in protest, saying \pdfannotlink can only be used in horizontal mode. (2) Being led to wonder whether \pdfannotlink would trigger horizontal mode I tried it in vertical mode, and again pdftex protested as before. (3) According to example.tex, if width (and same for height or depth) is not specified explicitly then it is calculated from the box containing this link. I believe this means that the height and depth of the active area are the height and depth of the hbox containing the link, and the active area extends >From the left edge of the first bit of the hbox after \pdflink to the right edge of the last bit of the hbox before \pdfendlink. Line breaks are respected nicely--I haven't checked page breaks yet but I'm confident they are too--i.e. the active area extends up to the line break and then there is another active area starting at the start of the next line. If the height h and/or depth d are specified explicitly then the specified values replace the defaults. If h + d is negative then an active area still exists, its lower edge being at height h and its upper edge being at height -d. If the width is specified explictly then the active area starts at the same place as before and extends right for the specified distance. If the specified width w is negative then the active area extends to the left a distance of -w. If the specified height, depth or width mean that the active area goes off the page, that's OK, it's still active out there. OK, that's my guess. Of course, I don't know. Bob Howlett. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 04:13:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA02719 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 04:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA02136 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:47:45 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA02133 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:47:42 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09803; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:47:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id LAA27575; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:58:35 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:58:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906010958.LAA27575@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Taco Hoekwater Cc: pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: HZ-like pdftex In-Reply-To: <14159.41588.250000.955709@PC709> References: <199905271215.OAA24154@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14159.41588.250000.955709@PC709> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » All of them a little, maybe. You need the latest version of the » mminstance tools at least, because Thanh has discovered a lot of bugs » in it. Yes, that's what i used. finbe pfb with acroread or gs, but distiller (3.02) choked on them. » afm2tfm is not reliable at all, unless you let it create vpl files as » well. There is a lot of weirdness in this program Something is very strange, but i can't tell yet if it's a problem with afm2tfm or pdftex. (i'm desperately finishing 3 large projects due before this week-end...) The ff ligatures vanish when using 8r fonts made with afm2tfm. It appeared that a 'fix' was to suppress them from the 8r.enc (replaced with .notdef). I wonder if the fact that the ligs are activated in the 8r TFM even when the ff lig doesn't exist (an afm2tfm bug), is used by pdftex when it follows the path 8t VF -> 8r (base) TFM but at this stage, the ligs in 8r should not have any effect! » Using a reasonable encoding instead of 8t allows you to create no VF » files, which saves a lot of space. But i want to use my expert fonts !! » Experiments so far seem to indicate that for the kerning (and perhaps » the sidebars as well) you need special adjustments that are not just a » percentage of the non-changed version. Doing the files in the exe » would save a lot of disk space, but you loose a lot of control. sure, but who has the time & energy to customize this all? As regards MM fonts, the TFMs should be exactly correct, and a mmtfm (from master's TFMs could do the correct job inside the exe). For instance, who has ever made a set of `optically letterspaced' virtual fonts for SM fonts with no optical size corrections? Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 06:22:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA05060 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:22:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02379 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:15:45 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02376 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:15:40 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26406; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:15:20 +0200 Message-ID: <3753CFC1.8FBCFA9F@ulg.ac.be> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:19:42 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michel Bovani , pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: A little bit of all... tout fonctionne References: <199906011103.NAA01789@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Grace a Michel Bovani qui m'a consactré un peu de son temps, voici ce que j'ai pu faire : OK :-) la résolution est ... résolue la phrase à changer se trouvait dans pdfTeX.cfg : pk_resolution 300. J'ai tapé 600 et tout fonctionne parfaitement (après m'être batu pour la génération des fontes à partir des pk.) en ajoutant map +cm.map map +ams.map map +latex.map map +adobe.map Les liens se sont centrés sur le texte. PARFAIT :-) Puis j'ai vérifié mes versions de color et j'ai vu que j'étais décallé par rapport à toi, j'ai fait un upgrade et ... CELA FONCTIONNE. J'ai la couleur sur les hyperliens. donc : for x=1 to 1000 do begin writeline"MERCI" x:=x+1 end run Merci pour tout. Et un home heureux de plus :-) -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 06:24:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA05110 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:24:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02374 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:15:35 -0400 Received: from waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de (waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.4.42]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02371 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:15:25 -0400 Received: from goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de (goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.28.168]) by waldorf.cs.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP id OAA09939; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:14:50 +0200 (MES) Message-Id: <199906011214.OAA08106@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from goedel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de id OAA08106; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:14:50 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Karsten Tinnefeld Reply-To: Karsten Tinnefeld X-uri: http://ls2-www.cs.uni-dortmund.de/~tinnefeld/ X-face: *sXD#NpiH+[WIRUfGB;twtnVo=k{4Ev$$s75_Lf~Sw%(A74 `N'EtJI[Z{P'X@60ru7SfQ%.3It!Jw'?UjF ~_B1l-`S:F>h~!,!|ow*.'@nzW.ADJ06j/Mj5NVp3 X-Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, Lehrstuhl Informatik 2, D-44221 Dortmund X-Address: GB IV/323 CS, Baroper Strasse 301, D-44227 Dortmund X-Phone: +49 231 755-4737 oder -2777 (Sekretariat) X-Telefax: +49 231 755-2047 X-public-transport: H-Bahn Campus Sued, Bus 457 Am Gardenkamp X-spelling: alte deutsche Rechtschreibung; Warnung: Wenn Sie nach dem August 1998 Rechtschreibunterricht erhalten haben, fragen Sie einen Lehrer nach eventuellen Schaeden durch Lektuere dieser Mail. To: pdftex@tug.org, Sebastian Rahtz Subject: epstopdf and $RS Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:14:49 +0200 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fiddeling around with some .eps files presumably generated on a Mac and to be used on my Sun, I noticed that your epstopdf script does not recognize lines ending with a CR only. No bounding box could be found until I replaced all CR characters with LFs. This is obviously due to the fact that your script does not care for trying some alternative settings of $/ (aka $INPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR). I do not actually understand the whole script - but you might find some easy fix. I use version 2.5 of 1999/05/06 on a SUN Solaris 2.6 Ultra and the perl interpreter version 5.005.02. -- Karsten Tinnefeld Silence is the perfectest herald of joy: I were but little happy, if I could say how much. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 06:59:56 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA05762 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02401 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:46:45 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02398 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:46:43 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.103]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3068; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:46:10 +0200 Message-ID: <3753CBAE.8A6E502@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:01:50 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: Chris Rowley , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Exact semantics of \pdfannotlink References: <14160.3481.567106.347990@fell.open.ac.uk> <3753A817.171EB2DA@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > > Please can someone tell me how to predict _in detail_ and _exactly_ > > what areas (of which abstract `shipped out' pages or XObjects) will get > > "made active" for all possible placements of a pair: > > > > \pdfannotlink .... > > > > \pdfendlink > > > > anywhere in a TeX document (all modes etc etc). > > > > Thanks (lots and lots of them, even a small prize)! > > > > chris > > Not having observed a great flurry of answers to this, > I tried doing some tests. > > (1) I tried using \pdfannotlink in math mode and pdftex > stopped at once in protest, saying \pdfannotlink can only > be used in horizontal mode. > > (2) Being led to wonder whether \pdfannotlink would trigger > horizontal mode I tried it in vertical mode, and again > pdftex protested as before. > > (3) According to example.tex, if width (and same for height or > depth) is not specified explicitly then it is calculated from > the box containing this link. I believe this means that the > height and depth of the active area are the height and depth > of the hbox containing the link, and the active area extends > from the left edge of the first bit of the hbox after \pdflink > to the right edge of the last bit of the hbox before \pdfendlink. > Line breaks are respected nicely--I haven't checked page breaks > yet but I'm confident they are too--i.e. the active area > extends up to the line break and then there is another active > area starting at the start of the next line. > If the height h and/or depth d are specified explicitly then the > specified values replace the defaults. If h + d is > negative then an active area still exists, its lower edge > being at height h and its upper edge being at height -d. > If the width is specified explictly then the active area starts > at the same place as before and extends right for the specified > distance. If the specified width w is negative then the active > area extends to the left a distance of -w. If the specified > height, depth or width mean that the active area goes off the > page, that's OK, it's still active out there. > > OK, that's my guess. Of course, I don't know. I lack the time to go into too much details, but here's a quick reaction: In pdf annotations are put on a separate layer on the page. The internal reactangle specs can be compared to bounding boxes. They have absolute coordinates, and cannot scale. When calculating the rectangle that will be coupled to the pdf annot, pdftex either uses the dimensions specified (an simply passes them on to the file, compensated for the crrent position) or when missing, tries to calculate them. In the latter case, it uses the horizontal list and takes breakpoints into account when flushing the page. So, as long as we're dealing with straightforward text, with no tricks and skips and laps and smashes and dirty tricks we're save. Some estimations on the height and depth has to be maken, and math is certainly a troublemaker there, unless inline or boxed. (Long ago I spent some extensive emailing with I've forgotten who about the issue of active areas because I consider it rather tricky stuff, and in my opinion an automatic mechanism (not specifying values) is always sub-optimal. Most documents simply lack info on the characteristics of the content in hyper active areas. And when typo is concerned, I prefer no guessing over wrong guessing. I will avoid political statements and exposees here -) Maybe some day in an article or when the topic of attributes comes up in NTS. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 07:38:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA06595 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:38:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA02453 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:30:27 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA02450 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:30:12 -0400 Received: from remote142-109.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.109] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10oocL-0004P9-00; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:30:09 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990601153105.007ab230@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:31:05 +0200 To: Karsten Tinnefeld , pdftex@tug.org, Sebastian Rahtz From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: epstopdf and $RS In-Reply-To: <199906011214.OAA08106@goedel.cs.uni-dortmund.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 14:14 01.06.99 +0200, Karsten Tinnefeld wrote: >Fiddeling around with some .eps files presumably generated on a Mac and >to be used on my Sun, I noticed that your epstopdf script does not >recognize lines ending with a CR only. No bounding box could be found until >I replaced all CR characters with LFs. This is already known, I have written a version that fixes this. But last week I didn't have the time for testing the new features. So wait a few days. Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 08:08:05 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA07246 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA02489 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:57:43 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02486 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:57:38 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24626 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:57:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JBW3XRLJVM000AP6@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:57:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:57:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: HZ-like pdftex In-reply-to: <199906010958.LAA27575@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> To: Thierry Bouche Message-id: <14164.760.594790.614595@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <199905271215.OAA24154@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14159.41588.250000.955709@PC709> <199906010958.LAA27575@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Thierry" == Thierry Bouche writes: Thierry> » All of them a little, maybe. You need the latest Thierry> version of the » mminstance tools at least, because Thanh Thierry> has discovered a lot of bugs » in it. Thierry> Yes, that's what i used. finbe pfb with acroread or gs, Thierry> but distiller (3.02) choked on them. Strange, but not really unlikely. mmpfb generated pfb files are not always 'completely clean', it seems. Do they work OK if you turn subsetting off in the distiller prefs (and in dvips)? Thierry> » afm2tfm is not reliable at all, unless you let it Thierry> create vpl files as » well. There is a lot of weirdness Thierry> in this program Thierry> Something is very strange, but i can't tell yet if it's a Thierry> problem with afm2tfm or pdftex. Thierry> ... ff ligs missing ... Could you send me (personally) a small collection of those things? (pfb, vf, tfm and maybe a tex file?). Thierry> » Using a reasonable encoding instead of 8t allows you to Thierry> create no VF » files, which saves a lot of space. Thierry> But i want to use my expert fonts !! I'd rather join the two pfbs in a font editor than mess with the VF jungle. Oh, well... Thierry> » Experiments so far seem to indicate that for the Thierry> kerning (and perhaps » the sidebars as well) you need Thierry> special adjustments that are not just a » percentage of Thierry> the non-changed version. Doing the files in the exe » Thierry> would save a lot of disk space, but you loose a lot of Thierry> control. Thierry> sure, but who has the time & energy to customize this Thierry> all? As regards MM fonts, the TFMs should be exactly Thierry> correct, and a mmtfm (from master's TFMs could do the Thierry> correct job inside the exe). For instance, who has ever Thierry> made a set of `optically letterspaced' virtual fonts for Thierry> SM fonts with no optical size corrections? I'm still not really convinced about the merits of pseudo-hz anyway. Seems to me like a lot of trouble to reach a goal whose effect is rather marginal. (side note: of all the tests I've seen so far, the best looking one seemed to be the one using utopia without changes accept in the sidebearings of the glyphs -- which is an awful lot like letterspacing...) Greetings, Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 1 18:27:05 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA25595 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA03588 for pdftex-list; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:21:07 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA03585 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:21:03 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09705; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:20:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37547A1C.2764B54A@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:26:04 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: Chris Rowley , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Exact semantics of \pdfannotlink References: <14160.3481.567106.347990@fell.open.ac.uk> <3753A817.171EB2DA@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3753CBAE.8A6E502@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > > Robert Howlett wrote: > > > > Please can someone tell me how to predict _in detail_ and _exactly_ > > > what areas (of which abstract `shipped out' pages or XObjects) will get > > > "made active" for all possible placements of a pair: > > > > > > \pdfannotlink .... > > > > > > \pdfendlink > > > > > > anywhere in a TeX document (all modes etc etc). > > > > > > Thanks (lots and lots of them, even a small prize)! > > > > > > chris > > > > Not having observed a great flurry of answers to this, > > I tried doing some tests. > > > > (1) I tried using \pdfannotlink in math mode and pdftex > > stopped at once in protest, saying \pdfannotlink can only > > be used in horizontal mode. > > > > (2) Being led to wonder whether \pdfannotlink would trigger > > horizontal mode I tried it in vertical mode, and again > > pdftex protested as before. > > > > (3) According to example.tex, if width (and same for height or > > depth) is not specified explicitly then it is calculated from > > the box containing this link. I believe this means that the > > height and depth of the active area are the height and depth > > of the hbox containing the link, and the active area extends > > from the left edge of the first bit of the hbox after \pdflink > > to the right edge of the last bit of the hbox before \pdfendlink. > > Line breaks are respected nicely--I haven't checked page breaks > > yet but I'm confident they are too--i.e. the active area > > extends up to the line break and then there is another active > > area starting at the start of the next line. > > If the height h and/or depth d are specified explicitly then the > > specified values replace the defaults. If h + d is > > negative then an active area still exists, its lower edge > > being at height h and its upper edge being at height -d. > > If the width is specified explictly then the active area starts > > at the same place as before and extends right for the specified > > distance. If the specified width w is negative then the active > > area extends to the left a distance of -w. If the specified > > height, depth or width mean that the active area goes off the > > page, that's OK, it's still active out there. > > > > OK, that's my guess. Of course, I don't know. > > I lack the time to go into too much details, but here's a quick > reaction: > > In pdf annotations are put on a separate layer on the page. Not necessarily "on the page", it seems to me, since I get active areas extending off the page > The internal > reactangle specs can be compared to bounding boxes. They have absolute > coordinates, and cannot scale. I don't know what this means, in practical pdftex terms > When calculating the rectangle that will be coupled to the pdf annot, > pdftex either uses the dimensions specified (an simply passes them on to > the file, compensated for the crrent position) or when missing, tries to > calculate them. In the latter case, it uses the horizontal list and > takes breakpoints into account when flushing the page. So, as long as > we're dealing with straightforward text, with no tricks and skips and > laps and smashes and dirty tricks we're save. As far as the examples I've tried are concerned (= not very far), pdftex handles laps and smashes in conjunction with \pdfannotlink in a logical manner in keeping with the rest of TeX. e.g. if one were so silly as to say \smash{\pdfannotlink ... \pdfendlink} one would get an active area of height 0 and depth 0 -- which of course means no active area at all -- since the active area goes into a box of height 0 and depth 0. But if you say \smash{\hbox{\pdfannotlink ... \pdfendlink}} then the active area goes into a box inside a box. The outer box has height 0 and depth 0, but the box containing the active area still has its natural dimensions. > Some estimations on the > height and depth has to be maken, and math is certainly a troublemaker > there, unless inline or boxed. Under what circumstances is maths a problem? (What's the alternative to inline or boxed?) I found I could have a mathematical display between \pdfannotlink and \pdfendlink, and pdftex handled it in a reasonable way -- the area occupied by the displayed formula was active. > (Long ago I spent some extensive emailing with I've forgotten who about > the issue of active areas because I consider it rather tricky stuff, and > in my opinion an automatic mechanism (not specifying values) is always > sub-optimal. Most documents simply lack info on the characteristics of > the content in hyper active areas. Surely most of the time one will just want a few words active in the middle of text. What will go wrong with pdftex's automatic mechanism? (OK, I confess I usually have gone to a bit of trouble to make the active area a bit bigger, so that it is easier to point at it with the mouse.) > And when typo is concerned, I prefer > no guessing over wrong guessing. I will avoid political statements and > exposees here -) Maybe some day in an article or when the topic of > attributes comes up in NTS. > > Hans > Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 2 02:17:25 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA06627 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA04377 for pdftex-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:08:26 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA04374 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:08:24 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.42]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1BD2; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:07:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3754E25F.D492C55D@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:50:55 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: Chris Rowley , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Exact semantics of \pdfannotlink References: <14160.3481.567106.347990@fell.open.ac.uk> <3753A817.171EB2DA@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3753CBAE.8A6E502@wxs.nl> <37547A1C.2764B54A@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > > In pdf annotations are put on a separate layer on the page. > > Not necessarily "on the page", it seems to me, since I get active areas > extending off the page Indeed. They are not clipped. I know people (some context users) who use this feature, but I will not be surprised when adobe some day does clip them. It's something undocumented. Actually, all handling of annotations is 'up to the viewer'. > > The internal > > reactangle specs can be compared to bounding boxes. They have absolute > > coordinates, and cannot scale. > > I don't know what this means, in practical pdftex terms It means that 'width' 'height' and 'depth' which are relative to the current left baseline corner, become absolute in pdf i.e. relative to the page corner. Just look for 'rect' specs in the pdffile and you will see. > > When calculating the rectangle that will be coupled to the pdf annot, > > pdftex either uses the dimensions specified (an simply passes them on to > > the file, compensated for the crrent position) or when missing, tries to > > calculate them. In the latter case, it uses the horizontal list and > > takes breakpoints into account when flushing the page. So, as long as > > we're dealing with straightforward text, with no tricks and skips and > > laps and smashes and dirty tricks we're save. > > As far as the examples I've tried are concerned (= not very far), pdftex > handles laps and smashes in conjunction with \pdfannotlink in a logical > ... > then the active area goes into a box inside a box. The outer box has > height 0 and depth 0, but the box containing the active area still has its > natural dimensions. Indeed. So, when macros embedded in the \pdfannot ... \endannot do some smashing for instance to maintain correct baseline distances, although being part of the thing to click on, they fall behind the clickable area. Normally this is no problem, and even to be prefered out of consistency. Combined with the viewer drwing rectangles and so, one can get strange side effects (which is why I've never used it that way). > I found I could have a mathematical display between \pdfannotlink > and \pdfendlink, and pdftex handled it in a reasonable way -- the > area occupied by the displayed formula was active. Sure, but I was refering to cases where extensive smashing etc. was applied. Normally things go into a box, and the box as a whole is inside \pdfannotlink. There can be complications in nested links, what lays on top of what. Normally annotations cannot be nested, although some tricks are possible to achieve similar results. > > (Long ago I spent some extensive emailing with I've forgotten who about > > the issue of active areas because I consider it rather tricky stuff, and > > in my opinion an automatic mechanism (not specifying values) is always > > sub-optimal. Most documents simply lack info on the characteristics of > > the content in hyper active areas. > > Surely most of the time one will just want a few words active in the > middle of text. What will go wrong with pdftex's automatic mechanism? > (OK, I confess I usually have gone to a bit of trouble to make the > active area a bit bigger, so that it is easier to point at it with the > mouse.) Exactly. That's why for quite some years ago (actually we started with yandy dviwindo, so supporting acrobat was kind of trivial) we decided not to use the automatic mechanisms. In context these kind of subtile optimizations concerning clickable areas is part of the design and therefore automatically taken care of. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 2 18:09:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01802 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA05719 for pdftex-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:35:31 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA05716 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:35:30 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990602233529.UYTD26054.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:35:29 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: epstopdf and $RS Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:36:12 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <3756be1d.593581@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id TAA05717 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >Fiddeling around with some .eps files presumably generated on a Mac and >to be used on my Sun, I noticed that your epstopdf script does not >recognize lines ending with a CR only. No bounding box could be found until >I replaced all CR characters with LFs. One other thing to be careful of are EPS files that use some CR and some LF. There appears to be a bug in Quark for the Mac. I believe the situation is this, if Quark for the Mac pulls in an EPS that generated Illustrator and merges it with some other EPS, then you can end up with a nasty little EPS that has some of the lines ending with CR and some of the lines ending with just a LF. By the way, this odd ball combination is appearantly legitimate PostScript. I mentioned this to Adobe, and burried somewhere in some Tech note, Adobe says that it is perfectly fine to do this. If my memory serves me, I believe we found some odd ball way of creating an EPS that had some lines ending in CR, some in LF, and some in CRLF. The file could still be imported by tools like Quark, Illustrator, Photoshop, and GhostScript. But trying to work with them in TeX is a real pain. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 4 12:29:40 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10862 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA09556 for pdftex-list; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:13:53 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09553 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:13:50 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00044; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:13:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA11886; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:13:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906041813.UAA11886@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Vietnamese CMR fonts To: info-tex@shsu.edu, trichlor-talk@haydn.stanford.edu (Trichlor list), pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX), nqnguyen_vlug@indiana.edu (VietLUG List) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:13:34 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I am working on the Vietnamese version of CMR fonts (based on vncmr package by Werner Lemberg). If anyone is interested please have a look at it (sources + sample in PS/PDF at http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/tmp/{sample.zip,vnfonts.zip}) and let me know your comments or suggestions. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 5 09:17:36 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09904 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 09:17:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA11116 for pdftex-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:12:49 -0400 Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de (root@mgate.uni-hannover.de [130.75.2.3]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11113 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 11:12:44 -0400 Received: from gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (actually h52.ts1.uni-hannover.de) by mgate.uni-hannover.de with LocalSMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:11:32 +0200 Received: (from te@localhost) by gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18176 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:13:21 +0200 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:13:21 +0200 From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199906051313.PAA18176@gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: (fwd) fixes for NeXT Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The following fixes are from "Melissa O'Neill" . Thomas --- teTeX-1.0/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/Stream.cc.orig Fri Nov 27 19:47:24 1998 +++ teTeX-1.0/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/Stream.cc Fri Jun 4 16:14:35 1999 @@ -35,8 +35,12 @@ #define SEEK_END 2 #endif #endif +#if defined(_NEXT_SOURCE) && !defined(_POSIX_SOURCE) +extern "C" int unlink(const char *filename); +#endif + //------------------------------------------------------------------------ #define headerSearchSize 1024 // read this many bytes at beginning of // file to look for '%PDF' --- teTeX-1.0/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/gfile.cc.orig Sat Dec 19 03:47:31 1998 +++ teTeX-1.0/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/gfile.cc Fri Jun 4 16:35:27 1999 @@ -27,13 +27,18 @@ #include "GString.h" #include "gfile.h" #if defined(_NEXT_SOURCE) && !defined(_POSIX_SOURCE) +extern "C" { + char *getwd(char *); + uid_t getuid(void); + void *xmalloc(size_t); +} #ifndef S_ISDIR #define S_ISDIR(m) (((m) & S_IFMT) == S_IFDIR) #endif #ifndef getcwd -#define getcwd(b,len) ((b) ? getwd(b) : getwd(xmalloc(len))) +#define getcwd(b,len) ((b) ? getwd(b) : getwd((char *) xmalloc(len))) #endif #endif /* _NEXT_SOURCE && !_POSIX_SOURCE */ // Some systems don't define this, so just make it something reasonably From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 6 00:15:48 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29870 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA12090 for pdftex-list; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:10:31 -0400 Received: from wfdutil3gw.ml.com (wfdutil3f01.ml.com [206.3.74.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA12087 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:10:29 -0400 Received: from ewfdav03.ml.com ([199.201.57.19]) by wfdutil3gw.ml.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/MLgwo-4.03) with SMTP id CAA07659 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.23.143.207 by ewfdav03.ml.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sun, 06 Jun 1999 02:06:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com (8.8.8+Sun/ML55SMX-1.02) id CAA13038; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: mwang@tech.cicg.ml.com (Michael Wang) Message-Id: <199906060610.CAA13038@cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: \magnification\magstep2 problem and other issues Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have a few problems and questions regarding pdftex 0.13d as part of teTeX 0.9 beta. I will list them all: 1. \magnification problem When I typeset the following and convert to pdf and print it out, I get a "shrinked" page. This has to be with "\magnification=\magstep2". If I comment out this line, all is well. Here is what I am trying to do. The math font is 10pt by default, and I use the same sized text font, and then I scale them all so that I get the same size. But this strategy does not work because of the problem mentioned above. To work around the problem, I assume that I can declare a different sized math fonts at the beginning. Has anyone done this? =*= cut here =*= \magnification=\magstep2 \font\aa = ptmr at 10pt \aa {\underbar {Problem}} There are $n$ balls in a urn. $n_1$ black balls, and $n_2=n-n_1$ white balls. You pick up balls without replacement. What is the probability of getting a black ball the first pick, the second pick, ..., the $(n-1)$th pick? =*= cut here =*= 2. teTeX and already installed TeX and friends I have a existing TeX user, so I have TeX (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159, dvips(k) 5.78 installed. And this has been working very well. At first I thought I just need to have this pdftex piece installed. But no I can not find a updated, stand-alone pdftex package. I used web.tar.gz web2c.tar.gz web2c-pdftex.tar.gz but I get older version pdfTeX (Web2C 7.2) 3.14159-0.12h So I installed teTeX 0.9 beta, but now I have two TeX installations. What is the plan here? People who wish to pdftex need to switch to teTeX. teTeX is a great package and very easy to build than from pieces. It is just that I have put all bolts and nuts together - Karl Berry's eplain, GNU texinfo, Poorman Chinese TeX, etc - What I am saying is there is a need to build pdfTeX on top of the existing TeX installation. I would appreciate some attention is given on this. 3. pdftex.tar.gz versus web2c-pdftex.tar.gz When I searched for info, I came across two pdftex packages: pdftex.tar.gz and web2c-pdftex.tar.gz. I am confused about the purpose of each packages. I successfully build pdftex with web2c-pdftex.tar.gz (old version), but I do not know what pdftex.tar.gz is used for. 4. ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex Everywhere I searched for info, I was referred to ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex for latest info. But that directory structure does not exist on the ftp server. And I did not see an announcement for the unavailability of the service. It would be hard to change, since the address is hard coded in numerous documents. 5. The email archive on pdfTeX The email archive for pdftex is a great resource! I enjoyed reading it and learnt a lot more about pdftex than from formal, static sources. Thanks for everyone involved. It is funny that such a great resource does not have a link in www.tug.org, or at least it is not so obvious that I could not relocate the link. I typed in http://www.tug.org/ and added archives archives after that, i.e. http://www.tug.org/archives Behold and lo, a great deal of info is presented before me. I know some of you have connections with TUG, such great resource definitely deserves a link in obvious place. It takes a lot of imagination to add archives after the URL. 6. Miscellaneous The rest of my questions are not related to pdftex. But since I have the chance to communicate with your TeXperts, I can not help to ask: 6a. What is the direction for non-English TeX document? I am particularly interested in Chinese, but I think the solution would be universal. Where can I find more info on this? 6b. Is there a hard covered TeX book? My TeX coil binding, and through many years' use, some pages are falling apart. 6c. Speaking of the TeX book, I found it is hard to read. It is not a tutorial, though the auther tries to teach and give excercises. It is not a standard document either, because the author told some lies, and the later he corrected it. There are some easy to read books, but they can not cover TeX well, they often have to tell you to read TeX book page so and so. Is there a need or effort to produce a TeX standard document, something like "ANSI TeX"? 6d. The TeX code for TeX book is public available, but yet it can not be "compiled" to produce the TeX book. I don't think it is a good idea to do this, but just curious that how this would be possible? If someone knows enough TeX, then she can made some modification on the code, and converted to DVI and PS, or directly to PDF? This book is complicated enough, it would a good test for various TeX implementations. Thank you very much. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 6 15:44:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19315 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA02709 for pdftex-list; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:35:30 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02706 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:35:27 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10qkZh-0003sP-00; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:35:25 +0100 Received: from max4.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.4] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10qkZg-00023h-00; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:35:24 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14170.58529.343977.446266@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:14:09 +0100 (BST) To: mwang@tech.cicg.ml.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: \magnification\magstep2 problem and other issues In-Reply-To: <199906060610.CAA13038@cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com> References: <199906060610.CAA13038@cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael Wang writes: > I have a few problems and questions regarding pdftex 0.13d > as part of teTeX 0.9 beta. I will list them all: > I cannot answer all of them, but can help with some > 1. \magnification problem cannot really help with this .. > mentioned above. To work around the problem, I assume that I can declare > a different sized math fonts at the beginning. Has anyone done this? > in LaTeX you could do this in the .fd files for the math families > 2. teTeX and already installed TeX and friends > I dont think I'll comment on this... > 3. pdftex.tar.gz versus web2c-pdftex.tar.gz or this > 4. ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex > > Everywhere I searched for info, I was referred to > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex for latest info. > But that directory structure does not exist on the ftp server. And Thanh, what do you want us to put in documentation? > 5. The email archive on pdfTeX > > The email archive for pdftex is a great resource! I enjoyed reading it > and learnt a lot more about pdftex than from formal, static sources. > Thanks for everyone involved. It is funny that such a great resource > does not have a link in www.tug.org, or at least it is not so obvious I'll ask for something to be added to the top level page, or do it myself > 6. Miscellaneous > 6a. > > What is the direction for non-English TeX document? I am particularly > interested in Chinese, but I think the solution would be universal. > Where can I find more info on this? you could follow the links to Omega on http://www.tug.org/interest.html. Its one answer > 6b. > > Is there a hard covered TeX book? My TeX coil binding, and through > many years' use, some pages are falling apart. Yes, Addison Wesley published it in hardback. I cannot guarentee its in print, though. have your own copy rebound, thats what I did > 6c. > > Speaking of the TeX book, I found it is hard to read. It is not a tutorial, some people agree strongly, others disagree strongly... :-} > Is there a need or effort to produce a TeX standard document, something > like "ANSI TeX"? I don't think so. One lives with Knuth, for good or bad. things like "TeX In Practice" are full of mistakes, one gathers. For myself, I have found Victor Eijkhout's book trustworthy, so far as it goes. > 6d. > > The TeX code for TeX book is public available, but yet it can not be > "compiled" to produce the TeX book. I don't think it is a good idea to > do this, but just curious that how this would be possible? If someone its easy. just remove some lines at the start. in the privacy of your own home I expect you break the law every day anyway..... > knows enough TeX, then she can made some modification on the code, > and converted to DVI and PS, or directly to PDF? This book is complicated > enough, it would a good test for various TeX implementations. some people have permission from Knuth to use it in this way. but I guess that as a major revenue-earner for Addison Wesley, he would be unpopular with them if he allowed more chances of people printing it. actually, I don't think it *is* an especially good test of TeX. its relatively simple, I'd say, although long. and since Knuth doesn't/didn't believe in generic markup, you cannot easily make it into a nice hypertext in PDF or HTML. do you realize that even the index is hard-coded? Weierstrass $p$, \see |\wp|. weird error, 298. Welsh, 239, 451 or look at a cross-reference: "Box construction is discussed in Chapters 12 and~21." TeXxing "TeX The Program" is marginally more fun, since you have all the Web structure (I think Thanh demonstrated this?) Sorry I cannot answer all your questions properly. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 7 00:48:24 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01729 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA06306 for pdftex-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:37:35 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA06281; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 02:36:15 -0400 Received: (from te@localhost) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA08252; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:35:56 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:35:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199906070635.IAA08252@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: ctan@urz.uni-heidelberg.de, pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl, tetex-announce@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tex-k@tug.org Subject: teTeX 1.0 released Reply-To: te@informatik.uni-hannover.de Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Well, I thought that you might be interested in the following announce. I have just made the upload, so none of the mirrors will have teTeX-1.0 now (but that will change in the following days). Only sources at the moment; no binaries and install procedure. That will be added at a later time (but soon). Thomas =========================================================================== teTeX 1.0 =========================================================================== This is the announce of teTeX-1.0, a TeX distribution for UNIX systems (support for win32 systems will be added, too). This release is now called 1.0, because all extensions of previous versions (e.g. make TeX use ls-R etc.) have become official part of the web2c and kpathsea distribution and no longer require special patches. Additionally, temporary hacks which required GNU utils (GNU make, gcc, flex) could be removed and replaced by portable solutions. Compared to previous versions, this release has many advantages for perparing documents for the web, due to improved/added programs. pdf files with hyperlinks and thumbnails can be created either by using dvips and ps2pdf/distiller or more directly by using pdftex. Postscript with resolution-independant fonts can be generated due to the included postscript type 1 fonts. At the moment, only the sources are available. At a later time, I will add: - an install program which allows to select sub-packages - binaries for various UNIX platforms If you prefer the simple script driven installation, just wait until this is released. =========================================================================== News in release 1.0: =========================================================================== - updated programs: web2c 7.3.1, xdvik 22.05-k, dvips(k) 5.86, dviljk 2.6p2, texinfo 3.12. xdvik and dvipsk are now hypertex aware. The new kpathsea library allows to have a ls-R file in each texmf tree. TeX and friends now support true 8bit reading/writing by means of the TCX extension. Some arrays which had a fixed size in TeX+friends now increase dynamically, others can read their size from a config file (which means that they can be enlarged without recompilation). - added programs: pdftex 0.13d, e-TeX 2.1, Omega 1.8 - ConTeXt added - Postscript type 1 font versions: Computer Modern, AMS fonts, 35 base laserwriter fonts, Polish and Cyrillic variants of CM and others - much improved index file for the documentation tree (newhelpindex.html) - metrics for Y&Y's commercial mathtime and lucida bright fonts are included, which greatly simplifies using these fonts =========================================================================== Main features of teTeX: =========================================================================== - Main program packages: web2c, pdfTeX, e-TeX, Omega, xdvi, dvips, dvilj, ps2pk, makeinfo, texinfo, texconfig - TDS (TeX Directory Structure) compliant large support tree with fonts / macros - run-time configuration files for dvi-drivers and tex+friends - very easy to install and customize (install.sh and texconfig utility) - documentation for all packages included - automatic font generation with support for read-only inputs tree (i.e. possibility to use alternate destination for newly created fonts) - ready for a multi-platform setup - fast file searching - ready for producing resolution independent (bitmap free) postscript or pdf documents - the whole distribution can be installed anywhere in the filesystem (e.g. /usr/TeX or /usr/local/tex). You do not need to set any environment variable as long as you keep the original structure of the package. - mailing lists for discussion: tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de for announcements: tetex-announce@informatik.uni-hannover.de =========================================================================== Getting teTeX-1.0: =========================================================================== The primary site is in Germany: ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/comp/tex/teTeX/1.0 Mirror sites: ftp://dante.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://cam.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://lh116.uwinnipeg.ca/pub/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://ftp.duke.edu/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/pub/tex/ctan/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib =========================================================================== The files: =========================================================================== sources of the programs (required): ==> sources/teTeX-src-1.0.tar.gz support tree with fonts / macros (required): ==> sources/teTeX-texmf-1.0.tar.gz sources for parts of the texmf tarball (optional): ==> sources/teTeX-texmfsrc-1.0.tar.gz The installation instructions are included in the teTeX-src-1.0.tar.gz archive as files INSTALL (complete instructions) and QuickInstall (short version). =========================================================================== Documentation: =========================================================================== The teTeX-texmf-1.0.tar.gz archive contains a large directory tree which contains a lot of documentation about teTeX and the packages it includes. For a start, please look at doc/tetex/TETEXDOC.{ps,pdf,dvi} and doc/index.html Have fun! June, 1999. Thomas Esser From owner-tetex-announce@informatik.uni-hannover.de Mon Jun 7 01:33:43 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from mgate.uni-hannover.de (root@mgate.uni-hannover.de [130.75.2.3]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02498 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from antares.informatik.uni-hannover.de by mgate.uni-hannover.de with LocalSMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:06:16 +0200 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by antares.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA07390 for tetex-announce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:52:46 +0200 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus [130.75.26.7]) by antares.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07387 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:52:41 +0200 Received: by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA08338 for tetex-announce@majordomo.informatik.uni-hannover.de; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:51:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus [130.75.26.7]) by antares.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07346; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:37:43 +0200 Received: (from te@localhost) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA08252; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:35:56 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:35:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199906070635.IAA08252@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: ctan@urz.uni-heidelberg.de, pdftex@tug.org, pragma@wxs.nl, tetex-announce@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tex-k@tug.org Subject: teTeX 1.0 released Reply-To: te@informatik.uni-hannover.de Sender: owner-tetex-announce@informatik.uni-hannover.de Precedence: bulk Well, I thought that you might be interested in the following announce. I have just made the upload, so none of the mirrors will have teTeX-1.0 now (but that will change in the following days). Only sources at the moment; no binaries and install procedure. That will be added at a later time (but soon). Thomas =========================================================================== teTeX 1.0 =========================================================================== This is the announce of teTeX-1.0, a TeX distribution for UNIX systems (support for win32 systems will be added, too). This release is now called 1.0, because all extensions of previous versions (e.g. make TeX use ls-R etc.) have become official part of the web2c and kpathsea distribution and no longer require special patches. Additionally, temporary hacks which required GNU utils (GNU make, gcc, flex) could be removed and replaced by portable solutions. Compared to previous versions, this release has many advantages for perparing documents for the web, due to improved/added programs. pdf files with hyperlinks and thumbnails can be created either by using dvips and ps2pdf/distiller or more directly by using pdftex. Postscript with resolution-independant fonts can be generated due to the included postscript type 1 fonts. At the moment, only the sources are available. At a later time, I will add: - an install program which allows to select sub-packages - binaries for various UNIX platforms If you prefer the simple script driven installation, just wait until this is released. =========================================================================== News in release 1.0: =========================================================================== - updated programs: web2c 7.3.1, xdvik 22.05-k, dvips(k) 5.86, dviljk 2.6p2, texinfo 3.12. xdvik and dvipsk are now hypertex aware. The new kpathsea library allows to have a ls-R file in each texmf tree. TeX and friends now support true 8bit reading/writing by means of the TCX extension. Some arrays which had a fixed size in TeX+friends now increase dynamically, others can read their size from a config file (which means that they can be enlarged without recompilation). - added programs: pdftex 0.13d, e-TeX 2.1, Omega 1.8 - ConTeXt added - Postscript type 1 font versions: Computer Modern, AMS fonts, 35 base laserwriter fonts, Polish and Cyrillic variants of CM and others - much improved index file for the documentation tree (newhelpindex.html) - metrics for Y&Y's commercial mathtime and lucida bright fonts are included, which greatly simplifies using these fonts =========================================================================== Main features of teTeX: =========================================================================== - Main program packages: web2c, pdfTeX, e-TeX, Omega, xdvi, dvips, dvilj, ps2pk, makeinfo, texinfo, texconfig - TDS (TeX Directory Structure) compliant large support tree with fonts / macros - run-time configuration files for dvi-drivers and tex+friends - very easy to install and customize (install.sh and texconfig utility) - documentation for all packages included - automatic font generation with support for read-only inputs tree (i.e. possibility to use alternate destination for newly created fonts) - ready for a multi-platform setup - fast file searching - ready for producing resolution independent (bitmap free) postscript or pdf documents - the whole distribution can be installed anywhere in the filesystem (e.g. /usr/TeX or /usr/local/tex). You do not need to set any environment variable as long as you keep the original structure of the package. - mailing lists for discussion: tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de for announcements: tetex-announce@informatik.uni-hannover.de =========================================================================== Getting teTeX-1.0: =========================================================================== The primary site is in Germany: ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/comp/tex/teTeX/1.0 Mirror sites: ftp://dante.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://cam.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://lh116.uwinnipeg.ca/pub/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://ftp.duke.edu/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/pub/tex/ctan/systems/unix/teTeX/1.0/distrib =========================================================================== The files: =========================================================================== sources of the programs (required): ==> sources/teTeX-src-1.0.tar.gz support tree with fonts / macros (required): ==> sources/teTeX-texmf-1.0.tar.gz sources for parts of the texmf tarball (optional): ==> sources/teTeX-texmfsrc-1.0.tar.gz The installation instructions are included in the teTeX-src-1.0.tar.gz archive as files INSTALL (complete instructions) and QuickInstall (short version). =========================================================================== Documentation: =========================================================================== The teTeX-texmf-1.0.tar.gz archive contains a large directory tree which contains a lot of documentation about teTeX and the packages it includes. For a start, please look at doc/tetex/TETEXDOC.{ps,pdf,dvi} and doc/index.html Have fun! June, 1999. Thomas Esser From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 7 04:46:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06894 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA08518 for pdftex-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:36:03 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA08515 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:36:00 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06907; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:35:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <375B84DC.C0BF52D8@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:37:48 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Wang CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: \magnification\magstep2 problem and other issues References: <199906060610.CAA13038@cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael Wang wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a few problems and questions regarding pdftex 0.13d > as part of teTeX 0.9 beta. I will list them all: > > 1. \magnification problem > > When I typeset the following and convert to pdf and print it out, > I get a "shrinked" page. This has to be with "\magnification=\magstep2". > If I comment out this line, all is well. > > Here is what I am trying to do. The math font is 10pt by default, and I > use the same sized text font, and then I scale them all so that I get > the same size. But this strategy does not work because of the problem > mentioned above. To work around the problem, I assume that I can declare > a different sized math fonts at the beginning. Has anyone done this? > > =*= cut here =*= > > \magnification=\magstep2 > \font\aa = ptmr at 10pt > \aa > > {\underbar {Problem}} > > There are $n$ balls in a urn. $n_1$ black balls, and $n_2=n-n_1$ > white balls. You pick up balls without replacement. What is the > probability of getting a black ball the first pick, the second pick, > ..., the $(n-1)$th pick? > \magnification works OK for me (also using ptmr). It is important when using \magnification to make sure that all dimensions appearing in your pdftex.cfg are true dimensions, i.e. page_width 210 truemm page_height 297 truemm horigin 1 truein vorigin 1 truein and not page_width 210 mm page_height 297 mm horigin 1 in vorigin 1 in Otherwise, when magnification is applied your pdf output will probably be set up for larger paper than you actually intend to use. Then if your printer has a "shrink to fit" option, and you accidentally select it, you will get something a lot different >From what you want. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 7 06:18:12 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08950 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA09205 for pdftex-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:08:42 -0400 Received: from wfdutil3gw.ml.com (wfdutil3f01.ml.com [206.3.74.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09202 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:08:39 -0400 Received: from ewfdav01.ml.com ([199.201.57.17]) by wfdutil3gw.ml.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/MLgwo-4.03) with SMTP id IAA00814; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.23.143.207 by ewfdav01.ml.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 07 Jun 1999 08:08:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com (8.8.8+Sun/ML55SMX-1.02) id IAA16620; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: mwang@tech.cicg.ml.com (Michael Wang) Message-Id: <199906071208.IAA16620@cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com> To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: \magnification\magstep2 problem and other issues Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > \magnification works OK for me (also using ptmr). > > It is important when using \magnification to make sure that all > dimensions appearing in your pdftex.cfg are true dimensions, > i.e. > page_width 210 truemm > page_height 297 truemm > horigin 1 truein > vorigin 1 truein > and not > page_width 210 mm > page_height 297 mm > horigin 1 in > vorigin 1 in > Otherwise, when magnification is applied your pdf output will > probably be set up for larger paper than you actually intend > to use. > Then if your printer has a "shrink to fit" option, and you > accidentally select it, you will get something a lot different > from what you want. Bob Howlett et al I would like to acknowledge that the problem is fixed by using true dimensions in pdftex.cfg as you suggested. Without this fix, the output is shrinked as shown below. It looks like the "normal" output is copied with x% setting in a modern copier, where x < 100. I think the x depends on the maginificant factor, maybe reciprocal of it. This "feature" maybe useful. I suggest add item in FAQ. The problem is shown at acroread foo.pdf stage before printing. Thank you very much for providing the answer. |------------| |output | | |shrinked | |here | | |------- | | | | | -------------- Michael Wang http://www.mindspring.com/~mwang From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 8 01:24:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10724 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16968 for pdftex-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:09:08 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16965 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:09:04 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08123; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:09:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23136; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:09:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906080709.JAA23136@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: \magnification\magstep2 problem and other issues In-Reply-To: <14170.58529.343977.446266@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> from Sebastian Rahtz at "Jun 6, 99 10:14:09 pm" To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:09:11 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: mwang@tech.cicg.ml.com, pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > 4. ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex > > > > Everywhere I searched for info, I was referred to > > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex for latest info. > > But that directory structure does not exist on the ftp server. And > Thanh, what do you want us to put in documentation? weird, as this directory does exist (I can access it from netspace). Anyway the latest version is located at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-beta/latest > > The email archive for pdftex is a great resource! I enjoyed reading it > > and learnt a lot more about pdftex than from formal, static sources. > > Thanks for everyone involved. It is funny that such a great resource > > does not have a link in www.tug.org, or at least it is not so obvious > I'll ask for something to be added to the top level page, or do it myself It would be aslo useful to add the mailing list gateway to the section about pdftex at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex > TeXxing "TeX The Program" is marginally more fun, since you have all > the Web structure (I think Thanh demonstrated this?) yes, pdfwebmac and pdftexinfo can be used to create hypertexted pdf from web and texinfo documents. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 8 03:36:32 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13709 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA17862 for pdftex-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:19:09 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA17857 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:19:05 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19888 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:18:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <375CE15B.8E40345C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:24:43 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex.cfg settings References: <199906071208.IAA16620@cicgload-fs1-p.tech.cicg.ml.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael Wang wrote: > > I would like to acknowledge that the problem is fixed by using > true dimensions in pdftex.cfg as you suggested. > > Without this fix, the output is shrinked as shown below. It looks > like the "normal" output is copied with x% setting in a modern copier, > where x < 100. I think the x depends on the maginificant factor, maybe > reciprocal of it. This "feature" maybe useful. I suggest add item in FAQ. The > problem is shown at acroread foo.pdf stage before printing. > Concerning this, I would like to suggest to the authors of the pdftex manual that they change their "typical pdftex.cfg file" on p.6 to use truemm and truein instead of mm and in. It makes no difference to LaTeX users, who do not use \mag, but people who do use \mag certainly need true dimensions. Similarly, people who distribute packages including a pdftex.cfg file should make sure they use true dimensions. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 8 03:40:01 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13811 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA17944 for pdftex-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:28:26 -0400 Received: from mercur.foa.se (custos.foa.se [150.227.16.253]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA17941 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:28:24 -0400 Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (IDENT:root@arnljot.lin.foa.se [150.227.33.98]) by mercur.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01905 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:28:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from arnljot.lin.foa.se (IDENT:chj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnljot.lin.foa.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13981 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:29:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199906080929.LAA13981@arnljot.lin.foa.se> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Problems with included pdf images From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72 X-face: 2tQjSw>|IA680lA7r'G9Y[jfoS>tTPw4-B#mQo_C+{6>^DWZP`o.h The only way I have found to process eps files using psfrag with > pdflatex is using a wrapper latex/eps file > Suppose you want to change occurences of {t} to {$\theta$} in > figure.eps > 1- create a plain latex file > [file w-figure.tex] > \documentclass{article} \usepackage{graphicx,psfrag} \pagestyle{empty} > \begin{document} \begin{center} > \psfrag{t}{$\theta$} > \includegraphics{figure.eps} \end{center} \end{document} > 2 - Process this file with latex and with dvips. For dvips, you should > use the following options: > dvips w-figure -E -Pcmz -o w-figure.eps > 3 - For some reason psfrag messes up the bounding box estimation made > by dvips, so usually you have to change the left limit of the bounding > box in the w-figure.eps file > %%BoundingBox: 40 459 465 667 > ^^ > you have to change this > You have to change the first number so that it sums up with the third > one to 594 > In my case, 40 has to be replaced with 594-465 =F129. > so the bounding box line is changed to > %%BoundingBox: 129 459 465 667 > After this, you end up with a correct standalone eps file you can just > convert with epstopdf, and use with pdflatex. However, this does not seem to work... Attached are my test files. A figure.eps file, a w-figure.tex file, a = test-doc.tex file. So I run latex on the file w-figure.tex and get a dvi = file. Then I run dvips -E -Pcmz to generate a .eps file with the filtered= (psfraged) variant of figure.eps. Then, as Bernard point out, dvips does = not generate ``good'' bounding boxes so I run epstool -b -i to genarate a= = =2Eepsi file that's got a bitmap of it included in the document and based= on = the bitmap has a ``good'' bounding box. Then I run epstopdf on the .epsi = file to generate a pdf file of the filtered figure.eps... Then, at last, = I = run pdflatex on test-doc.tex and get a test-doc.pdf. Now, here's the = problem, using acroread I can view the file, and the cmr math glyph \beta= = is displayed on screen, but it's not printed... The w-figure.pdf is = displayed on screen and the \beta is printed, so I guess there's nothing = wrong with that pdf file. The problem lies in the domain of pdflatex = including pdf images with cmr fonts in them, at least that's my wild = guess... Attached are the .pdf files too. BTW, I'm on a Red Hat Linux 6.0/Intel = system running tetex-19990602 with pdftex 0.13d. 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aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27675 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:56:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07942 for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:56:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906080956.LAA07942@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: problem with bakoma font msam6.pfb To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:56:57 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, can you please have a look at the text below? It was from the discussion with Peter Deutsch about a (not really) problem with msam6.pfb from bakoma package. I was trying to send this text to the author of the font but the e-mail address (malyshev@dxcern.cern.ch) seems to be out-of-date. Regards, Thanh > > > > I've finished the /Subrs subsetting of T1 fonts in pdftex, the mechanism > > > > seems to be ok. However sometimes I encountered cases when a CharString > > > > command is used with smaller number of operands than the number of > > > > operands being on the CharString commands stack. So some openrands on the > > > > stack are simply ignored, because the command clears the stack after > > > > executing. I don't know whether it should be considered as a bug, because > > > > nothing is wrong in compliance with T1 spec. What do you think of it? > > > > > > Could you please send me an example of a font that does this? I would like > > > to inspect it before giving an answer. > > > > The attached font comes from BaKoMa package. The definition of > > /arrowtripleright looks like (output from t1disasm): > > > > /arrowtripleright { > > 93 22000 18 div > > hsbw > > -5 52 224 52 453 52 626 20 hstem3 > > ... > > } > > > > hstem3 requires only 6 operands, but it seems that when it is excecuted the > > stack has 8 operands. > > I believe this is a bug in the font -- the last 2 numbers simply should not > be there. Please ask Mr. Malyshev about this. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 8 05:34:38 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16288 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA18813 for pdftex-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:19:10 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18810 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:19:06 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10rJuI-0004uA-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:19:02 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rJuI-0000iO-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:19:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14173.2410.255150.132269@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:15:38 +0000 (GMT) To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: problem with bakoma font msam6.pfb In-Reply-To: <199906080956.LAA07942@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199906080956.LAA07942@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Basil is at malyshev@sirius.ihep.su, and replying to email as recently as last week Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 07:01:19 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26875 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA21838 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:38:53 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21835 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:38:50 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08450 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:38:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA25934; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:50:57 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:50:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906091250.OAA25934@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This introduces many strange things in the bookmarks. For instance, a mere \addtocontents{toc}{\vspace{3em}} will generate a bogus bookmark. What can be done against that ? Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 08:07:41 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28743 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA22299 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:47:58 -0400 Received: from mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au (mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.50.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22296 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:47:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (msevior@localhost) by mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25164 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:47:51 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:47:51 +1000 (EST) From: Martin Sevior To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk HI everyone, I hope this question is not covered by a FAQ somewhere but I haven't seen it if it is. If there is a FAQ could someone please direct me to it? Is it possible to use the epsfig macro to input graphics into document processed by pdflatex? I have the RedHat 6.0 version of tetex in a stock standard installation. pdflatex did not like this. The document latex's without trouble. Thanks very much, Martin Sevior, School of Physics, University of Melbourne From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 08:46:20 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29822 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:46:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA22510 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:28:28 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22507 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:28:25 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10rjL5-0005dZ-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:28:23 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rjL4-0005Rc-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:28:22 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14174.34653.960927.144623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:25:17 +0000 (GMT) To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <199906091250.OAA25934@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199906091250.OAA25934@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > This introduces many strange things in the bookmarks. > > For instance, a mere \addtocontents{toc}{\vspace{3em}} > will generate a bogus bookmark. not for me it doesnt. hyperref intercepts \addcontentsline, not \addtocontents hyperref 6.58b now at http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip mostly Heiko cleaning the code, and finding some small bugs in forms (see ChangeLog) I'll make this the default on CTAN very soon. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 09:01:26 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00308 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA22597 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:40:58 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22591 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:40:43 -0400 Received: from remote142-168.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.168] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rjWt-0002c2-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:40:36 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990609155857.08ef787c@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:58:57 +0200 To: Thierry Bouche , pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <199906091250.OAA25934@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 14:50 09.06.1999 +0200, Thierry Bouche wrote: >This introduces many strange things in the bookmarks. > >For instance, a mere \addtocontents{toc}{\vspace{3em}} >will generate a bogus bookmark. Sorry, I cannot reproduce a problem with \addtocontents: % pdfelatex \documentclass{article} \usepackage{hyperref} \begin{document} \tableofcontents \section{Hello World!} \addtocontents{toc}{\vspace{3em}} \section{Section Two} \end{document} Version 6.58a 1999/06/08 produces the following .out-file: \BOOKMARK [1]{section.1}{Hello World!}{} \BOOKMARK [1]{section.2}{Section Two}{} And the following .toc-file: \contentsline {section}{\numberline {1}Hello World!}{1}{section.1} \vspace {3em} \contentsline {section}{\numberline {2}Section Two}{1}{section.2} Both files looks correct. Can you give an example that can produce the strange things? I didn't found a redefinition of \addtocontents. But \addcontentsline is redefined to give a bookmark automatically. This can lead to problems, so an example would be helpful. Best regards Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 09:30:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01223 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA22829 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:05:12 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22826 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:05:09 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10rjuc-0006Vb-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:05:06 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rjuc-0007tr-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:05:06 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:02:01 +0000 (GMT) To: msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Martin Sevior writes: > Is it possible to use the epsfig macro to input graphics into document > processed by pdflatex? I have the RedHat 6.0 version of tetex in a stock > standard installation. pdflatex did not like this. The document latex's > without trouble. > if you say \epsfig{foo} (better \includegraphics{foo}, of course) then pdflatex will look for foo.png, foo.jpg or foo.pdf, while latex will look for foo.eps. if you say \epsfig{foo.eps} and process with pdflatex, you are in trouble. pdftex does not grok .eps. moral: dont use file extensions in \includegraphics. let the graphics package backend look around and find the best match Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 09:38:19 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01485 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA22967 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:16:58 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22964 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:16:51 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25490 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:16:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA03029; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:28:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:28:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906091528.RAA03029@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <14174.34653.960927.144623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <199906091250.OAA25934@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14174.34653.960927.144623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I'll make this the default on CTAN very soon. Hmm. A file with nice bookmarks previously, now has some bogus ones \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.5}{}{} \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.6}{}{} (pointing, respectivelky to biblio & index, the second target being wrong (2 pages too early)) Moreover, the PDF seems to be wrong (pdftex-13e) although it's ok with same pdftex, but previous hyperref: gs 5.5 says: xref error! Error: /rangecheck in resolveR From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 10:21:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02804 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23457 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:00:35 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23453 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:00:32 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06959 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:00:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <375E8F92.13C6@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:00:18 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > if you say > > \epsfig{foo} (better \includegraphics{foo}, of course) > > then pdflatex will look for foo.png, foo.jpg or foo.pdf, while latex > will look for foo.eps. if you say > \epsfig{foo.eps} > and process with pdflatex, you are in trouble. pdftex does not grok .eps. > > moral: dont use file extensions in \includegraphics. let the graphics > package backend look around and find the best match It should be mentioned as well that epstopdf is the tool for conversion. Also, in the eps file, avoid any fonts which are not pdf standard type1 (the, so called, Acrobat fonts). Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 10:44:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03484 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA24107 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:28:22 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken96.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24103 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:28:20 -0400 Received: from galiano (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA20836; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jody Klymak" To: "Martin Sevior" , Subject: RE: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000501beb295$11692fd0$8e605f80@apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk There is a FAQ at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex Cheers, Jody > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdftex@tug.org [mailto:owner-pdftex@tug.org]On Behalf Of > Martin Sevior > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:48 AM > To: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. > > > HI everyone, > I hope this question is not covered by a FAQ somewhere but I > haven't seen it if it is. If there is a FAQ could someone > please direct > me to it? > > Is it possible to use the epsfig macro to input graphics into document > processed by pdflatex? I have the RedHat 6.0 version of tetex > in a stock > standard installation. pdflatex did not like this. The > document latex's > without trouble. > > Thanks very much, > > Martin Sevior, > School of Physics, > University of Melbourne > > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 10:50:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03644 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA24079 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:27:31 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24076 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:27:28 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10rlCJ-0003oW-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:27:27 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rlCJ-0002ri-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:27:27 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14174.41798.253683.755456@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:24:22 +0000 (GMT) To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <199906091528.RAA03029@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199906091250.OAA25934@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14174.34653.960927.144623@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <199906091528.RAA03029@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > > A file with nice bookmarks previously, now has some bogus ones > > \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.5}{}{} > \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.6}{}{} > > (pointing, respectivelky to biblio & index, the second target being > wrong (2 pages too early)) this is a feature :-} if you do \addcontentsline, bookmarks entries are made, pointing to the most recent ``object''. I expect you said \addcontentsline *before* the index heading > Moreover, the PDF seems to be wrong (pdftex-13e) although it's ok with > same pdftex, but previous hyperref: > > gs 5.5 says: > > xref error! > Error: /rangecheck in resolveR no answer there, without a test file to try sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 11:27:43 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04825 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24549 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:09:27 -0400 Received: from hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca [207.107.250.65]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24546 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:09:25 -0400 Received: from sprint.ca (spc-isp-que-uas-06-80.sprint.ca [209.148.156.181]) by hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11846 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <375EAD37.3F191629@sprint.ca> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:06:48 -0500 From: Mathieu Chouinard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: PGC script Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Where can I find this script? Mathieu Chouinard -- The Windows 2000 name was obviously created over a glass of root beer in the compagny cafeteria by a couple of executives looking for a way out of the Windows NT delays. -- John C. Dvorak From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 11:43:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05383 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24774 for pdftex-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:30:56 -0400 Received: from doraemon.bu.edu (yrchen@DORAEMON.BU.EDU [128.197.128.77]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24771 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:30:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (yrchen@localhost) by doraemon.bu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13682; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:35:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Ying-Jui Chen To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-Reply-To: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I got this problem, too. Does pdf(la)tex plan to support .eps/.ps files, since existing .tex files may involve heavily with .ps figures inserted using \includegraphics{}. Thank you! Yingji Chen On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Martin Sevior writes: > > Is it possible to use the epsfig macro to input graphics into document > > processed by pdflatex? I have the RedHat 6.0 version of tetex in a stock > > standard installation. pdflatex did not like this. The document latex's > > without trouble. > > > if you say > > \epsfig{foo} (better \includegraphics{foo}, of course) > > then pdflatex will look for foo.png, foo.jpg or foo.pdf, while latex > will look for foo.eps. if you say > \epsfig{foo.eps} > and process with pdflatex, you are in trouble. pdftex does not grok .eps. > > moral: dont use file extensions in \includegraphics. let the graphics > package backend look around and find the best match > > Sebastian > -- Regards, Ying-Jui Chen Ph.D. student, Dept. ECE, Boston University (617)353-9570 yrchen@bu.edu http://multirate.bu.edu/~yrchen From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 9 23:59:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25983 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA26789 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:49:23 -0400 Received: from linpwd (linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de [134.76.28.202]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA26786 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:49:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:48:58 +0200 Message-Id: <99061007485808@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> From: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk",smtp%"Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr" X-VMS-Cc: smtp%"pdftex@tug.org" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Thierry Bouche writes: > > > > A file with nice bookmarks previously, now has some bogus ones > > > > \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.5}{}{} > > \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.6}{}{} > > > > (pointing, respectivelky to biblio & index, the second target being > > wrong (2 pages too early)) > this is a feature :-} > > if you do \addcontentsline, bookmarks entries are made, pointing to > the most recent ``object''. I expect you said \addcontentsline > *before* the index heading I'll bet he did too. I already ran across this problem myself with \addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{\indexname} \printindex In order to get by it, I redefined theindex environment to include \addcontentsline AFTER calling \chapter*{indexname}. Similary for thebibliography. Not really what ones wants to do. An alternative suggestion (I have not tried it yet) might be to use the afterpage package with \afterpage{\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{\indexname}} \printindex so that the \addcontentsline is inserted on the current page but after the beginning of the index. Patrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Patrick W. Daly Tel. [+49] 5556-979-279 Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie Fax. [+49] 5556-979-240 Max-Planck-Str. 2 D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau Internet: daly@linmpi.mpg.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 02:12:19 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29148 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:12:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA27083 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:47:42 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA27080 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:45:03 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27470; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:44:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA14064; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:57:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thierry Bouche Message-Id: <199906100757.JAA14064@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a In-Reply-To: <14174.41798.253683.755456@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> from Sebastian Rahtz at "Jun 9, 1999 05:24:22 pm" To: Sebastian Rahtz Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:57:11 +0200 (MET DST) CC: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr, pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL57 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk -- Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 02:13:09 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29176 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA27111 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:52:46 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA27108 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:52:44 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28169; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:52:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA14359; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:04:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thierry Bouche Message-Id: <199906100804.KAA14359@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <14174.41798.253683.755456@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> from Sebastian Rahtz at "Jun 9, 1999 05:24:22 pm" To: Sebastian Rahtz Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:04:56 +0200 (MET DST) CC: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr, pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL57 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Thierry Bouche writes: > > > > A file with nice bookmarks previously, now has some bogus ones > > > > \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.5}{}{} > > \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.6}{}{} > > > > (pointing, respectivelky to biblio & index, the second target being > > wrong (2 pages too early)) > this is a feature :-} Ah, ok. > > if you do \addcontentsline, bookmarks entries are made, pointing to > the most recent ``object''. I expect you said \addcontentsline > *before* the index heading yes. silly me. And as i redefine the index to use multicol instead of twocolumn, etc. I have no excuses ;-( I found the reason for my bogus bookmarks: i have defined one more sectionning level: \newcommand{\inter}{\@startsection{inter}{6}{\z@}% {-\baselineskip}% {2pt}% {\normalfont\itshape\sffamily}[]}% \def\intermark{} \def\l@inter#1#2{} these is what yields the \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.6}{}{} in the .out. Probably a feature too, but it was rather hard to figure the connection between inter and section* ! I suppose i have now some bookmarkdepth counter allowing me to suppress these ? promised, when the 3 books i'm currently finishing for last week are shipped to the printer, I read the manual & i send usefull test files ! -- Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 02:30:04 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29557 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA27487 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:22:54 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA27483 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:22:53 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s06t-0005Lv-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:22:51 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s06t-0004FQ-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:22:51 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.33586.868433.800723@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:19:46 +0000 (GMT) To: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <99061007485808@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> References: <99061007485808@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany writes: > In order to get by it, I redefined theindex environment to include > \addcontentsline AFTER calling \chapter*{indexname}. > > Similary for thebibliography. > > Not really what ones wants to do. An alternative suggestion (I have I agree. but can you see any other strategy I can work on? when I see \addcontentsline, I *have* to have the concept of a `current object', unless we change the entire structure of LaTeX markup. > not tried it yet) might be to use the afterpage package with > \afterpage{\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{\indexname}} > \printindex so that the \addcontentsline is inserted on the current > page but after the beginning of the index. I dont think David Carlisle would appreciate the idea of \afterpage solving everything, its fairly fragile! sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 02:39:26 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29771 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA27551 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:29:05 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA27547 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:29:04 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s0Ct-0005Tv-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:29:03 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s0Ct-0006cJ-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:29:03 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.33958.351196.118008@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:25:58 +0000 (GMT) To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <199906100804.KAA14359@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <14174.41798.253683.755456@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <199906100804.KAA14359@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > > these is what yields the \BOOKMARK [0]{section*.6}{}{} in the > .out. Probably a feature too, but it was rather hard to figure the > connection between inter and section* ! I suppose i have now some > bookmarkdepth counter allowing me to suppress these ? > I would not promise that. Controlling these ever-damned bookmarks is turning into a giant project. Heiko has now spent 13 man years working on just the PDFDocEncoding of the strings (and hasn't finished the Unicodisation yet), and I have changed the rest of the code 14 times in the last 3 days. what is it all for, I sometimes wonder.... > promised, when the 3 books i'm currently finishing for last week are > shipped to the printer, I read the manual & i send usefull test files ! what manual? :-} sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 02:55:43 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00182 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA27877 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:45:40 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA27873 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:45:38 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02942; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA16767; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:57:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:57:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906100857.KAA16767@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <14175.33958.351196.118008@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <14174.41798.253683.755456@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <199906100804.KAA14359@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14175.33958.351196.118008@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk \def\toclevel@inter{6} fixes it. (RTFS(ource)C(ode)!) Thanks! Thierry From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 03:00:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00309 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA27922 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:49:15 -0400 Received: from linpwd (linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de [134.76.28.202]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA27917 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:49:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:48:38 +0200 Message-Id: <99061010483888@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> From: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) X-VMS-To: SMTP%"sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk" X-VMS-Cc: smtp%"pdftex@tug.org" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > Not really what ones wants to do. An alternative suggestion (I have > I agree. but can you see any other strategy I can work on? when I see > \addcontentsline, I *have* to have the concept of a `current object', > unless we change the entire structure of LaTeX markup. I appreciate the problem and can see no easy and/or obvious solution, other than: > > not tried it yet) might be to use the afterpage package with > > \afterpage{\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{\indexname}} > > \printindex so that the \addcontentsline is inserted on the current > > page but after the beginning of the index. > I dont think David Carlisle would appreciate the idea of \afterpage > solving everything, its fairly fragile! You should not build afterpage into hyperref. This could be a way around the problem for the author; he employs \afterpage, if it works. Another solution might be to have the targets in \addcontentsline as the page numbers. This is what I did before the bookmarks were included automatically. I used \pdfbookmark and then hand edited the out file to have the link point to page.xxx. In this case it is advisable to issue \newpage before \addcontentsline and \printindex. Patrick From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 03:22:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00759 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA28194 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:12:29 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA28191 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:12:28 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s0ss-0003yo-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:12:26 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s0ss-000024-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:12:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.36561.942533.315945@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:09:21 +0000 (GMT) To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <199906100857.KAA16767@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <14174.41798.253683.755456@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <199906100804.KAA14359@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <14175.33958.351196.118008@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <199906100857.KAA16767@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > > > \def\toclevel@inter{6} > > > fixes it. (RTFS(ource)C(ode)!) > yes, sorry about that. its kind of obscure, to say the least sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 03:29:48 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00935 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA28252 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:14:37 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA28248 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:14:35 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s0uv-0003ad-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:14:33 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s0uv-0007pZ-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:14:33 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.36688.933649.735429@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:11:28 +0000 (GMT) To: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58a (test release) In-Reply-To: <99061010483888@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> References: <99061010483888@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany writes: > > Another solution might be to have the targets in \addcontentsline > as the page numbers. I wish I thought that would work all the time :-} I just have thuis gut feeling it would all foul up > page.xxx. In this case it is advisable to issue \newpage before > \addcontentsline and \printindex. > indeed, and often you *do* find a \newpage inside a \printindex! s From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 03:50:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01424 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA28408 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:27:16 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA28405 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:27:14 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s17B-0003rJ-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:27:13 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s17B-0001Y5-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:27:13 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:24:08 +0000 (GMT) To: yrchen@doraemon.bu.edu Cc: msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-Reply-To: References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ying-Jui Chen writes: > I got this problem, too. Does pdf(la)tex plan to support .eps/.ps files, > since existing .tex files may involve heavily with .ps figures inserted > using \includegraphics{}. so far as I know, Han The Thanh has no plans to incorporate a PS interpreter into pdfTeX. I may be wrong you just have to convert the .ps files to PDF or PNG. Its no big deal, and can easily be automated. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 04:46:47 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02593 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:46:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA29260 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:34:18 -0400 Received: from loewe.cosy.sbg.ac.at (loewe.cosy.sbg.ac.at [141.201.2.12]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA29257 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:34:15 -0400 Received: from gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at (gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at [141.201.2.198]) by loewe.cosy.sbg.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21724 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:34:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from reini@localhost) by gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22562 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:34:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:34:13 +0200 From: Reinhold Huber To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: creating formats Message-ID: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I tried to take the challenge to set up pdftex (although I've no idea of tex-administration). My problem start with (copied from README-file) > 4) Create formats: > pdftex -ini -fmt=pdftex plain \\dump > pdftex -ini -fmt=pdflatex latex.ltx Where can I find those plain and latex.ltx files? I expect, there exists a simple answer, isn't it? reini -- | Reinhold Huber | University Salzburg | | +43 662 8044 6310 | Department of Computer Science | | +43 699 10219461 | Jakob Haringerstrasse 2, 5020 Salzburg, Austria | | reini@cosy.sbg.ac.at | http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~reini/reini.html | From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 05:47:24 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03996 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA29661 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:25:40 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29658 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:25:37 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24431; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:25:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <375FA0A3.8FB@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:25:23 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reinhold Huber CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: creating formats References: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Reinhold Huber wrote: > > Hello, > > I tried to take the challenge to set up pdftex (although I've no idea > of tex-administration). My problem start with (copied from README-file) Would 'ya please kindly tell us what platform, what operating system and what TeX dist in which version you are using? You are a windows user, aren't you? Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 05:58:25 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04240 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA29749 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:41:13 -0400 Received: from loewe.cosy.sbg.ac.at (loewe.cosy.sbg.ac.at [141.201.2.12]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29746 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:41:11 -0400 Received: from gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at (gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at [141.201.2.198]) by loewe.cosy.sbg.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28251 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:41:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from reini@localhost) by gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22693 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:41:10 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:41:10 +0200 From: Reinhold Huber To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: creating formats Message-ID: <19990610134110.K20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> References: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> <375FA0A3.8FB@cs.ucc.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <375FA0A3.8FB@cs.ucc.ie>; from Frank Boehme on Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:25:23PM +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I tried to take the challenge to set up pdftex (although I've no idea > > of tex-administration). My problem start with (copied from README-file) > > Would 'ya please kindly tell us what platform, what operating system and > what TeX dist in which version you are using? > Sorry, for that, I had the feeling that this problem is to simple to be machine-dependent -- platform is: SunOS gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at 5.6 Generic_105181-06 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 pdftex version is: pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13d Tex distribution is: teTeX 0.4 pl7/8 > You are a windows user, aren't you? x-windows, of course ;-) reini -- | Reinhold Huber | University Salzburg | | +43 662 8044 6310 | Department of Computer Science | | +43 699 10219461 | Jakob Haringerstrasse 2, 5020 Salzburg, Austria | | reini@cosy.sbg.ac.at | http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~reini/reini.html | From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 06:07:22 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04470 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA29969 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:52:29 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29966 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:52:26 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s3Ne-0003Fr-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:52:22 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s3Nd-00036d-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:52:21 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.46157.430787.632628@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:49:17 +0000 (GMT) To: reini@cosy.sbg.ac.at Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: creating formats In-Reply-To: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> References: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Reinhold Huber writes: > I tried to take the challenge to set up pdftex (although I've no idea > of tex-administration). My problem start with (copied from README-file) > > 4) Create formats: > > pdftex -ini -fmt=pdftex plain \\dump > > pdftex -ini -fmt=pdflatex latex.ltx > Where can I find those plain and latex.ltx files? > if you dont have plain.tex and latex.ltx on your system, then gosh have you got a minimal setup. in almost every distribution I can imagine, these should just be on pdfTeX's search path if in doubt, do NOT `take the challenge'. just install current teTeX, fpTeX or MikTeX, and it will all be ready to fly for you sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 06:15:14 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04624 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA30102 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:06:57 -0400 Received: from exchange.pace.co.uk (gate-isdn.pace.co.uk [195.92.110.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA30099 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:06:53 -0400 Received: by exchange.localnet with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:04:01 +0100 Message-ID: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> From: Magnus Lewis-Smith To: "Pdftex mailing list (E-mail)" Subject: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:04:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Since upgrading to hyperref 6.58 from 6.33, the package pdfscreen no longer works. If there is a \section or \subsection etc., pdflatex hangs at that point in the document. It doesn't produce an error message or anything else, it just stops. If I interrupt the compiler with C I get the following message: [1] [2] [3] [4] (file.toc) [5] [6] ! Interruption. \old@sect ...]{\protect \Sectionformat {#8 }{#2}} l.182 \section{Section Name} ? There is no problem with \chapter, or any of \section* or \subsection* etc. What's happened? -- Magnus Lewis-Smith From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 06:43:22 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05243 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA30486 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:33:24 -0400 Received: from interzone.ucc.ie (interzone.ucc.ie [143.239.1.134]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA30482 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:33:22 -0400 Received: from wilde.ucc.ie (wilde.ucc.ie [143.239.211.56]) by interzone.ucc.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23084; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:33:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <375FB089.1127@cs.ucc.ie> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:33:13 +0100 From: Frank Boehme Organization: University College Cork X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/712) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reinhold Huber CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: creating formats References: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> <375FA0A3.8FB@cs.ucc.ie> <19990610134110.K20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Reinhold Huber wrote: > Tex distribution is: > teTeX 0.4 pl7/8 That's prett old, but anyway... 1. Go to your web2c directory. 2. Make sure that the old fmt is deleted. 3. Put the corresponding pool files in that directory. 4. Call texconfig or edit fmtutil.conf by hand. Just read the comments on the begin of this file. 5. call fmtutil --missing or just again texconfig. That's it. cheers, Frank -- Dr Frank Boehme | Email: f.boehme@cs.ucc.ie National University of Ireland, Cork | phone: +353-21-903163 Dept of Computer Science | fax: +353-21-903113 Cork, Ireland | WWW: http://yeats.ucc.ie/~fboehme/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 06:59:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05608 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA30716 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:43:10 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA30712 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:43:08 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA01041; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:42:52 -0400 To: Reinhold Huber Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: creating formats References: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> <375FA0A3.8FB@cs.ucc.ie> <19990610134110.K20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 10 Jun 1999 08:42:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: Reinhold Huber's message of "Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:41:10 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Reinhold Huber writes: > Tex distribution is: > teTeX 0.4 pl7/8 Oooh. That's old. teTeX 1.0 just came out, but most people are using version 0.9 now. (0.9 is very nice.) -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 07:02:00 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05694 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA30733 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:44:03 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA30730 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:44:00 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s4BZ-0000ZK-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:43:57 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s4BZ-0002Dh-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:43:57 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.49252.652860.907292@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:40:52 +0000 (GMT) To: reini@cosy.sbg.ac.at Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: creating formats In-Reply-To: <19990610134110.K20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> References: <19990610123413.J20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> <375FA0A3.8FB@cs.ucc.ie> <19990610134110.K20776@cosy.sbg.ac.at> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Reinhold Huber writes: > SunOS gibbon.cosy.sbg.ac.at 5.6 Generic_105181-06 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 > pdftex version is: > pdfTeX (Web2C 7.3) 3.14159-0.13d > Tex distribution is: > teTeX 0.4 pl7/8 Dont do it. Upgrade to teTeX 1.0. Seriously. Dont think about it Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 07:29:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06435 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:29:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA31252 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:17:57 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA31248 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:17:56 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FD400M024XRIV@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:17:50 -0400 From: Michael John Downes Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-reply-to: Magnus Lewis-Smith's message of Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:04:00 +0100 To: Magnus Lewis-Smith Cc: "Pdftex mailing list (E-mail)" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Lines: 29 References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Magnus Lewis-Smith writes: > Since upgrading to hyperref 6.58 from 6.33, the package pdfscreen no longer > works. If there is a \section or \subsection etc., pdflatex hangs at that > point in the document. It doesn't produce an error message or anything > else, it just stops. If I interrupt the compiler with C I get the > following message: > > [1] [2] [3] [4] (file.toc) [5] [6] > ! Interruption. > \old@sect ...]{\protect \Sectionformat {#8 > }{#2}} > l.182 \section{Section Name} > > ? > > There is no problem with \chapter, or any of \section* or \subsection* etc. > > What's happened? Sounds like an infinite loop. If you want to see more of what is happening internally, add \errorcontextlines=99 \tracingmacros=2 \tracingcommands=2 \tracingonline=1 just before the problem point (line 182, apparently). But I imagine the solution will be to get a new improved version of either pdfscreen or hyperref. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 07:43:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06858 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA31418 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:28:04 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA31415 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16575; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:02:32 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:02:32 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Magnus Lewis-Smith cc: "Pdftex mailing list (E-mail)" Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Magnus Lewis-Smith wrote: > Since upgrading to hyperref 6.58 from 6.33, the package pdfscreen no longer > works. If there is a \section or \subsection etc., pdflatex hangs at that > point in the document. It doesn't produce an error message or anything > else, it just stops. If I interrupt the compiler with C I get the > following message: i'm sorry, i have not downloaded the newer version of hyperref, which i have done it now. will check and send the patch soon. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 08:15:54 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07770 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA31831 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:03:41 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA31828 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:03:39 -0400 Received: from default (superior26-30.infoserv.uakron.edu [130.101.2.30]) by uakron.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22455 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906101403.KAA22455@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:00:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Reply-to: story@uakron.edu In-reply-to: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian renamed \old@sect to \H@old@sect; therefore within pdfscreen.sty, replace \old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8}{#2}} with \H@old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8} {#2}}% On 10 Jun 99, at 13:04, Magnus Lewis-Smith wrote: > Since upgrading to hyperref 6.58 from 6.33, the package pdfscreen no > longer works. If there is a \section or \subsection etc., pdflatex hangs > at that point in the document. It doesn't produce an error message or > anything else, it just stops. If I interrupt the compiler with C I > get the following message: > > [1] [2] [3] [4] (file.toc) [5] [6] > ! Interruption. > \old@sect ...]{\protect \Sectionformat {#8 > }{#2}} > l.182 \section{Section Name} > > ? > > There is no problem with \chapter, or any of \section* or \subsection* > etc. > > What's happened? > > -- > Magnus Lewis-Smith > Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 08:45:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08555 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA32093 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:29:25 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA32089 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:29:22 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s5pU-0007En-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:29:16 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s5pU-0005fP-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:29:16 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.55571.26742.532740@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:11 +0000 (GMT) To: mjd@ams.org Cc: Magnus.Lewis-Smith@pace.co.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael John Downes writes: > happening internally, add > > \errorcontextlines=99 > \tracingmacros=2 \tracingcommands=2 \tracingonline=1 > > just before the problem point (line 182, apparently). But I imagine the > solution will be to get a new improved version of either pdfscreen or > hyperref. > Lord, people always want things better, dont they. Not just `new', but `improved'. does the march of progress never stop still?? :-} sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 08:50:34 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08694 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA32199 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:36:07 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA32196 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:36:06 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FD4003028K0WB@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:36:00 -0400 From: Michael John Downes Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-reply-to: Sebastian Rahtz's message of Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:11 +0000 (GMT) To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: Magnus.Lewis-Smith@pace.co.uk, pdftex@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Lines: 10 References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <14175.55571.26742.532740@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > Lord, people always want things better, dont they. Not just `new', but > `improved'. does the march of progress never stop still?? As a matter of fact I was not picturing myself as lobbying for a new release but rather imagining that there might well be one already available. Your penchant for responding promptly to problem reports with a new release has not gone unnoticed or unappreciated I reckon by the users. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 09:08:35 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09201 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA32331 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:46:05 -0400 Received: from lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:sanders@lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.96.32]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA32328 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:46:04 -0400 Received: (from sanders@localhost) by lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA27503; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:27 -0400 From: Michael Sanders To: RADHAKRISHNAN C V Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Message-ID: <19990610104527.B27419@umich.edu> Reply-To: Michael Sanders Mail-Followup-To: RADHAKRISHNAN C V , pdftex@tug.org References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: RADHAKRISHNAN C V of Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 07:02:32PM +0530 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have processed a complicated document (many sections and subsections) with pdflatex v 13d, pdfscreen v 0.9 and do not see the problem. Did the person who experienced the problem provide his source file and version information? Thanks for pdfscreen. -- (T.) Michael Sanders internet: sanders@umich.edu Physics Department URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders University of Michigan phone: 734/936-0799 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1120 FAX: 734/764-6843 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 09:29:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09847 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA32527 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:07:55 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA32524 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:07:53 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s6Qm-00053n-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:07:48 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s6Qm-00074G-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:07:48 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.57883.391004.631276@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:04:43 +0000 (GMT) To: mjd@ams.org Cc: Magnus.Lewis-Smith@pace.co.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <14175.55571.26742.532740@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael John Downes writes: > As a matter of fact I was not picturing myself as lobbying for a new > release but rather imagining that there might well be one already > available. Your penchant for responding promptly to problem reports with > a new release has not gone unnoticed or unappreciated I reckon by the > users. just thank Heiko, because *I* would never have sorted out bookmarks! I am glad you appreciate the difference between "responding promptly to problem reports with a new release" and "*solving* problems with a new release" :-}} Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 09:40:05 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10124 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA32606 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:15:48 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA32603 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:15:45 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s6YM-0000eX-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:15:38 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s6YL-0001nT-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:15:37 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.58353.29078.191589@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:12:33 +0000 (GMT) To: yrchen@doraemon.bu.edu Cc: msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-Reply-To: References: <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ying-Jui Chen writes: > > Yes, you are right. The conversion is no big deal for a latex fan, or > someone with an engineering background. However, if we take into account > the user-friendliness, such a conversion from .PS to whatever pdflatex > could recognize should be made transparent to the users. > > As I remember well, Sebastian wrote something called eps2pdf. > Maybe someone can incorporate that part of function into pdflatex. > Epstopdf is a trivial wrapper for Ghostscript As I have said before, I'd lobby for embedding GS *if* Ghostscript's eps to PDF translation was more or less OK. But it isnt. It fails badly with non-standard fonts; until/unless that is fixed, I regard `epstopdf' as a stop gap for emergency or simple use. Y'all might be amused to hear that the new "LaTeX Web Companion" book was prepared using pdfTeX, and printed directly from PDF by the typesetter. It has quite a few embedded pictures, converted in some cases from EPS, and it would have been unthinkable to use what came out of Ghostscript. I used Distiller. Can I claim to have done the first commercial book produced using pdfTeX? Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 09:40:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10127 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA32521 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:07:23 -0400 Received: from doraemon.bu.edu (yrchen@DORAEMON.BU.EDU [128.197.128.77]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA32518 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:07:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (yrchen@localhost) by doraemon.bu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05008; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:12:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:12:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ying-Jui Chen To: Sebastian Rahtz cc: msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-Reply-To: <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I got this problem, too. Does pdf(la)tex plan to support .eps/.ps files, > > since existing .tex files may involve heavily with .ps figures inserted > > using \includegraphics{}. > > you just have to convert the .ps files to PDF or PNG. Its no big deal, > and can easily be automated. Yes, you are right. The conversion is no big deal for a latex fan, or someone with an engineering background. However, if we take into account the user-friendliness, such a conversion from .PS to whatever pdflatex could recognize should be made transparent to the users. As I remember well, Sebastian wrote something called eps2pdf. Maybe someone can incorporate that part of function into pdflatex. Any suggestions? -- Regards, Ying-Jui Chen Ph.D. student, Dept. ECE, Boston University (617)353-9570 yrchen@bu.edu http://multirate.bu.edu/~yrchen From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 09:48:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10390 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA00025 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:27:23 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00021 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:27:21 -0400 Received: from n163-175.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.163.175]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10s6je-0001oP-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:27:18 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref: another bookmarks issue From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:27:11 +0200 Message-ID: <1dt6xvj.xxdivdpfqvx6M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I would like to suggest another improvement for the bookmark handling. I made a similar suggestion half a year ago, but I think Sebastian was on vacation back then, and he didn't comment when he was back. The problem is that I need more control over which bookmarks are open and which are closed. The solution would be to make the decision whether a bookmark is open at the time the bookmark is written to the .out file, not when it is read back. That way there could be additional latex commands \bookmarksopen, \bookmarksclosed, and \bookmarksopenlevel that allow you to change the open-ness of the bookmarks anywhere in the middle of a document. This would also allow a top-level bookmark to be closed, but all its children to be open "inside" it, which is not possible right now. The following patch for 6.58b implements this, and it seems to work fine for me so far. I'm not an experienced TeX hacker though, so I wouldn't be surprised if I did something wrong. And I only changed the hpdftex.def driver; frankly, I have no idea what changes would have to be made to the other drivers. -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ --- hyperref.sty.orig Wed Jun 9 21:14:09 1999 +++ hyperref.sty Thu Jun 10 15:53:44 1999 @@ -76,6 +76,9 @@ \Hy@toolbartrue \Hy@verbosefalse \Hy@windowuitrue +\newcommand\bookmarksopen{\Hy@bookmarksopentrue} +\newcommand\bookmarksclosed{\Hy@bookmarksopenfalse} +\newcommand\bookmarksopenlevel[1]{\def\@bookmarksopenlevel{#1}} \newdimen\@linkdim \let\Hy@driver\@empty \let\MaybeStopEarly\relax @@ -741,14 +744,7 @@ \ProcessOptionsWithKV{Hyp} \def\WriteBookmarks{0} \def\@bookmarkopenstatus#1{% - \ifHy@bookmarksopen - % The purpose of the \@firstofone-number-space-construct - % is that no \relax will be inserted by TeX before the \else: - \ifnum#1<\expandafter\@firstofone\expandafter - {\number\@bookmarksopenlevel} % explicite space - \else - -% - \fi + \ifnum#1>-1 \else -% \fi --- hpdftex.def.orig Wed Jun 9 21:14:20 1999 +++ hpdftex.def Thu Jun 10 16:56:14 1999 @@ -578,6 +578,17 @@ \fi} \def\Hy@currentbookmarklevel{0} \def\Hy@numberline#1{#1 } +\def\Hy@bmopennow#1{% + \ifHy@bookmarksopen + \ifnum#1<\expandafter\@firstofone\expandafter + {\number\@bookmarksopenlevel} 1% + \else + -1% + \fi + \else + -1% + \fi +} \def\@@writetorep#1#2#3#4#5{% \begingroup \def\Hy@tempa{#5}% @@ -594,7 +605,7 @@ \fi \pdfstringdef\Hy@tempa{#2}% \protected@write\@outlinefile{}{% - \protect\BOOKMARK[#4]{#3}% + \protect\BOOKMARK[\Hy@bmopennow #4]{#3}% {\Hy@tempa}{\csname Parent\the\@tempcnta\endcsname}% }% \fi From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 10:16:07 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11305 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA00582 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:57:27 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00579 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:57:24 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s7Cj-0001Dv-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:57:21 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s7Cj-0007tc-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:57:21 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.60856.327683.19784@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:54:16 +0000 (GMT) To: sanders@umich.edu Cc: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <19990610104527.B27419@umich.edu> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <19990610104527.B27419@umich.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael Sanders writes: > I have processed a complicated document (many sections and subsections) > with pdflatex v 13d, pdfscreen v 0.9 and do not see the problem. Did the > person who experienced the problem provide his source file and version > information? > Did you upgrade to hyperref 6.58? thats what caused the problem sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 10:21:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11469 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA00790 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:06:45 -0400 Received: from lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (IDENT:sanders@lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.96.32]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00787 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:06:44 -0400 Received: (from sanders@localhost) by lhe.physics.lsa.umich.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09778; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:06:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:06:25 -0400 From: Michael Sanders To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Message-ID: <19990610120625.C27419@umich.edu> Reply-To: Michael Sanders Mail-Followup-To: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <19990610104527.B27419@umich.edu> <14175.60856.327683.19784@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz of Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 04:54:16PM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 04:54:16PM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > Did you upgrade to hyperref 6.58? thats what caused the problem > Sorry I forgot to mention it. Yes, I did use v 6.58. >From log file: Package: hyperref 1999/05/21 6.58 Hypertext links for LaTeX This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3) Package: pdfscreen 1999/4/17 v0.9 screen PDF design (CVR) Here is how pdfscreen and hyperref were invoked in the preamble: \usepackage[screen,article]{pdfscreen} \screensize{6.5in}{8.5in} %%\screensize{height}{width} \pdfcompresslevel=9 \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} -- (T.) Michael Sanders internet: sanders@umich.edu Physics Department URL: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders University of Michigan phone: 734/936-0799 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1120 FAX: 734/764-6843 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 10:24:33 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11585 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA00862 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:10:21 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00858 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:10:18 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10s7PF-00029W-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:10:17 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s7PE-0001AS-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:10:16 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14175.61632.350882.327965@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:07:12 +0000 (GMT) To: sanders@umich.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <19990610120625.C27419@umich.edu> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <19990610104527.B27419@umich.edu> <14175.60856.327683.19784@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990610120625.C27419@umich.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Michael Sanders writes: > On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 04:54:16PM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > > > Did you upgrade to hyperref 6.58? thats what caused the problem > > > Sorry I forgot to mention it. Yes, I did use v 6.58. > >From log file: > Package: hyperref 1999/05/21 6.58 Hypertext links for LaTeX ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ah, that explains it. 6.58 had several unnumbered versions. now we are at 5.58f Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 10:58:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12683 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01376 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:43:39 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01372 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:43:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06536; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:18:23 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:18:23 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: "D. P. Story" cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <199906101403.KAA22455@uakron.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, D. P. Story wrote: > > Sebastian renamed \old@sect to \H@old@sect; therefore > > within pdfscreen.sty, replace > > \old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8}{#2}} > > with > > \H@old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8} > {#2}}% will it keep the colors of the section heads changing with level? no, i don't think so. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 10 11:04:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12873 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01334 for pdftex-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:41:21 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01329 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:41:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA30044; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:55 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:55 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Michael Sanders cc: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <19990610120625.C27419@umich.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Michael Sanders wrote: > Here is how pdfscreen and hyperref were invoked in the preamble: > \usepackage[screen,article]{pdfscreen} > \screensize{6.5in}{8.5in} %%\screensize{height}{width} > \pdfcompresslevel=9 > \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} > \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} you need not invoke hyperref.sty, it's already loaded by pdfscreen. if you remark the hyperref line in your document, it will blow up. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 02:46:41 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07803 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA05611 for pdftex-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:29:44 -0400 Received: from exchange.pace.co.uk (gate-isdn.pace.co.uk [195.92.110.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA05608 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:29:42 -0400 Received: by exchange.localnet with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:26:50 +0100 Message-ID: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB201978825@exchange.localnet> From: Magnus Lewis-Smith To: "Pdftex mailing list (E-mail)" Subject: RE: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:26:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V [SMTP:cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in] > > On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, D. P. Story wrote: > > > > > Sebastian renamed \old@sect to \H@old@sect; therefore > > within pdfscreen.sty, replace > > > > \old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8}{#2}} > > > > with > > > > > \H@old@sect{#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{#7}]{\protect\Sectionformat{#8}{#2}}% > > > will it keep the colors of the section heads changing with level? > > no, i don't think so. > > radhakrishnan > Sebastian sent me a quick fix for this problem, but like D.P.Story's solution, it doesn't give coloured section-headings, but it does at least compile with hyperref 6.58f. Actually, I think the problem may have appeared with an earlier version of hyperref -- 6.57 blows up also. I haven't looked at any earlier versions. Magnus From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 03:49:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09172 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA06180 for pdftex-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:41:47 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA06177 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:41:45 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10sNom-0007H8-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:41:44 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10sNol-0006ha-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:41:44 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14176.59183.740999.792783@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:38:39 +0000 (GMT) To: Magnus.Lewis-Smith@pace.co.uk Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB201978825@exchange.localnet> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB201978825@exchange.localnet> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Magnus Lewis-Smith writes: > > will it keep the colors of the section heads changing with level? > > > > no, i don't think so. > > > > radhakrishnan > > > Sebastian sent me a quick fix for this problem, but like D.P.Story's > solution, it doesn't give coloured section-headings, but it does at least I just updated http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip with a new nameref.dtx. This allows an (emended [1]) pdfscreen to work properly again. the reason was that \Sectionformat was being done by nameref \AtBeginDocument, so ignoring the work done in pdfscreen.sty Sebastian [1] Radhakrishnan, just remove the redefinition of \@sect, and change \slevel to \section@level throughout From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 03:49:06 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09178 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA06174 for pdftex-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:41:12 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA06171 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:41:10 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29330 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:41:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id LAA18782; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:53:34 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:53:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906110953.LAA18782@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: "Pdftex mailing list (E-mail)" Subject: RE: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB201978825@exchange.localnet> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB201978825@exchange.localnet> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » I haven't looked at any earlier versions. Wait tomorrow. 6.59z fixes them all;-) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 04:37:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10330 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA06582 for pdftex-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:29:06 -0400 Received: from exchange.pace.co.uk (gate-isdn.pace.co.uk [195.92.110.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA06579 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:28:57 -0400 Received: by exchange.localnet with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:26:04 +0100 Message-ID: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB201978858@exchange.localnet> From: Magnus Lewis-Smith To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: RE: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:26:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: Sebastian Rahtz > [SMTP:sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk] > > I just updated http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip > with a new nameref.dtx. This allows an (emended [1]) pdfscreen to work > properly again. > > the reason was that \Sectionformat was being done by nameref > \AtBeginDocument, so ignoring the work done in pdfscreen.sty > > Sebastian > > [1] Radhakrishnan, just remove the redefinition of \@sect, and change > \slevel to \section@level throughout > > Working fine now :-) Every time I think I've got to grips with the trickier aspects of LaTeX and am feeling a bit smug, I just need to read this list for a few minutes or fiddle with pdfLaTeX/hyperref (particularly those **** bookmarks) to bring me down with a thud. Keep up the good work, everyone, and those of us who are no good at anything except finding bugs are sure to keep you on your toes. Thanks, Magnus From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 08:47:49 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16534 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA07607 for pdftex-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:06:51 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07604 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:06:49 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA37024 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:06:46 +0200 Message-ID: <376118F0.43420308@ulg.ac.be> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:10:58 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX liste Subject: French-font encoding-resolution Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, In my Grail quest to make pdftex run as I want, I have tried to implement the french package. In order to hyphenate, I have rebuild the format (tex -ini -fmt=pdflatex latex.ltx n dump). All right for accent and hyphenation. Now, pdftex is using T1 font encoding ( \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} is coded in the format) but the resolution of the .pdf file obtained is very poor (300 dpi) as it is when using the pk font. My pdftex.cfg file contain obviously map standard.map map +cm.map map +ams.map map +latex.map map +adobe.map How must I do ? Thanks -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 10:19:08 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19781 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA07984 for pdftex-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:50:13 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07981 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:50:11 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10sTZJ-0007YY-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:50:09 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10sTZJ-0003LJ-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:50:09 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14177.15746.465384.938239@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:46:58 +0000 (GMT) To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: French-font encoding-resolution In-Reply-To: <376118F0.43420308@ulg.ac.be> References: <376118F0.43420308@ulg.ac.be> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pierre-Alexandre Blanche writes: > Now, pdftex is using T1 font encoding ( \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} is > coded in the format) but the resolution of the .pdf file obtained is > very poor (300 dpi) as it is when using the pk font. My pdftex.cfg file > contain obviously > map standard.map > map +cm.map > map +ams.map > map +latex.map > map +adobe.map > > How must I do ? if you use T1 encoding, stop using the Computer Modern font family. you are probably getting EC bitmap fonts answers - \usepackage{ae}, but you'll lose guillements - buy the European Modern fonts from Y&Y (drop in CM T1 replacements) - \usepackage{mathptm} - use Lucida, MathTime, etc sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 15:42:07 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28583 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA09636 for pdftex-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:31:17 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09633 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:31:16 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10sYtM-0004PC-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:31:12 +0100 Received: from max7.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.7] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10sYtM-0004AD-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:31:12 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14177.31649.709040.290930@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:12:01 +0100 (BST) To: stk@snafu.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref: another bookmarks issue In-Reply-To: <1dt6xvj.xxdivdpfqvx6M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> References: <1dt6xvj.xxdivdpfqvx6M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk thanks, I'll try and merge this in sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 11 22:22:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07962 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA10640 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:18:47 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA10637 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:18:44 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990612041843.MQGI9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:18:43 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: yrchen@doraemon.bu.edu, msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:19:27 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <3762de5f.1446466@mail> References: <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.58353.29078.191589@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <14175.58353.29078.191589@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id AAA10638 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:12:33 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: >Can I claim to have done the first commercial book produced using pdfTeX? Depends on your meaning of commercial. The LEXIS-NEXIS Directory of Online Services was produced using PDFTeX. This is ~660 page book typeset using PDFTeX (actually a fairly old version of PDFTeX). By the way, the entire book is stored as a database. The composition file is generated and PDFTeX is called to typeset the book. The result is then viewed/printed with Acrobat. On a Pentium II 450 Mhz, running with the database on a local hard disk (about 350 Meg in size), the entire book, including the indexes can be generated and typeset in 7 minutes. The Lexis-Nexis Directory of Online Services is also broken out into separate sections and placed on the web at: http://www.lexis-nexis.com/lncc/literature/Directory/default.htm The Lexis-Nexis Directory of Online Services was printed in January. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 09:05:23 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21634 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA11526 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:56:58 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11523 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:56:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:56:56 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. Message-ID: <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from Sebastian Rahtz on Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:24:08AM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:24:08AM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > so far as I know, Han The Thanh has no plans to incorporate a PS > interpreter into pdfTeX. I may be wrong How do the other lot do it, as a matter of interest? PDF does actually allow the inclusion of EPS images, I think, even though it adds warnings that they may be invisible! -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 09:13:32 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21794 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA11623 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:08:17 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11620 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:08:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:08:15 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Message-ID: <19990612160815.G9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <14175.55571.26742.532740@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Michael John Downes on Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:36:00AM -0400 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:36:00AM -0400, Michael John Downes wrote: > Your penchant for responding promptly to problem reports with > a new release has not gone unnoticed or unappreciated I reckon by the > users. While yielding to none in my admiration of SPQR's diligence and unfailing helpfulness, I do wonder if the frequency of updates to hyperref does not cause quite a lot of problems to some. Might I suggest that a much less frequent updating, interspersed with bug-fixes, would make the whole thing a little more manageable. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 10:09:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23005 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA12046 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:04:47 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12043 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:04:46 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10sqGl-0001hH-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:04:31 +0100 Received: from max1.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.1] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10sqGk-0000ZF-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:04:30 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14178.25237.263634.643458@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:37:25 +0100 (BST) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: yrchen@doraemon.bu.edu, msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-Reply-To: <3762de5f.1446466@mail> References: <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.58353.29078.191589@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3762de5f.1446466@mail> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > Depends on your meaning of commercial. The LEXIS-NEXIS Directory of Online > Services was produced using PDFTeX. This is ~660 page book typeset using > PDFTeX (actually a fairly old version of PDFTeX). By the way, the entire golly. I stand corrected > The Lexis-Nexis Directory of Online Services was printed in January. I am glad to my ex-colleagues in L-N having the sense to make use of TeX. If this is related to another L-N project I saw, its a very good way to use TeX, IMHO I bet you didnt have to fight with loads of include PDF files for figures:-} Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 10:09:44 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23024 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:09:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA12041 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:04:43 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12038 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:04:41 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10sqGu-0001hM-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:04:40 +0100 Received: from max1.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.1] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10sqGu-0006Hp-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:04:40 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14178.25432.297748.410263@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:40:40 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: win32 test of 0.13e In-Reply-To: <199906112142.RAA09709@tug.org> References: <199906112142.RAA09709@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >From Thanh/Fabrice > > > Thanks. I have built a standalone 0.13e for win32. > > > ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/tex/win32-beta/pdftex-0.13e-win32.zip > > > > > > and forward this to pdftex@tug.org if you think people > > > should / want to test it. > > > > evryone who wants to test it is welcome of course. > > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 14:06:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28163 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA12901 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:01:33 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12898 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:01:31 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10sty5-0000Zr-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:29 +0100 Received: from max16.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.16] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10sty5-00071O-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:29 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14178.34573.81173.402220@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:13:01 +0100 (BST) To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-Reply-To: <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:24:08AM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > so far as I know, Han The Thanh has no plans to incorporate a PS > > interpreter into pdfTeX. I may be wrong > > How do the other lot do it, as a matter of interest? which other lot? VTEX's thing has a PS interpreter builtin, is that what you mean? I assume they wrote it themselves. Of course pdfTeX could do the same, if someone gave Thanh a good PS interpreter with no unacceptable conditions or limitations > PDF does actually allow the inclusion of EPS images, I think, > even though it adds warnings that they may be invisible! if you mean what I am thinking of, they would be in the portion if #ifdef PS ...#endif, as it were, used only in printing to a PS device. not frightfully useful. sebastuab From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 14:06:25 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28173 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA12906 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:01:37 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12903 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:01:36 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10styA-0002Oq-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:34 +0100 Received: from max16.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.16] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10styA-00057i-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:01:34 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14178.34914.921340.311575@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:18:42 +0100 (BST) To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <19990612160815.G9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <14175.55571.26742.532740@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612160815.G9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > While yielding to none in my admiration of SPQR's diligence > and unfailing helpfulness, > I do wonder if the frequency of updates to hyperref > does not cause quite a lot of problems to some. thats why the current round of rapid changes is in a test release, not on CTAN. if you choose to pick up later than 6.56, its on your own head. > Might I suggest that a much less frequent updating, > interspersed with bug-fixes, > would make the whole thing a little more manageable. what is the difference between a bug fix and an update, please? but anyway, my new system of stable-on-CTAN, and test-releases-on-tug.org presumably fits the bill, so we are all happy. as Chris Rowley regularly tells me, hyperref should not exist anyway in a properly regulated world. Sebastian PS do remember that hyperref is my hobby; I don't do it because I _use_ it (I have almost never done so in anger), or because anyone pays me to. I do it for fun these days. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 19:21:51 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04838 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA14144 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:16:02 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA14141 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:16:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:15:59 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. Message-ID: <19990613021559.B7498@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <14178.34573.81173.402220@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14178.34573.81173.402220@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from Sebastian Rahtz on Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:13:01PM +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > PDF does actually allow the inclusion of EPS images, I think, > > even though it adds warnings that they may be invisible! > if you mean what I am thinking of, they would be in the portion if > #ifdef PS ...#endif, as it were, used only in printing to a PS > device. not frightfully useful. Yes, what I meant was "PS XObjects" -- I only have the PDF-1.2 reference manual to hand, but that says: "PDF currently accepts three types of XObjects: images, forms and pass-through PostScript language fragments. ... PDF enables a document to include PS language fragments in a page description. These fragments are printer-dependent and take effect only when printing on a PostScript printer." -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 19:43:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05278 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA14325 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:38:32 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA14322 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:38:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 02:38:29 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen Message-ID: <19990613023829.D7498@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <14175.55571.26742.532740@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612160815.G9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <14178.34914.921340.311575@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14178.34914.921340.311575@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from Sebastian Rahtz on Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:18:42PM +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:18:42PM +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > but anyway, my new system of stable-on-CTAN, and > test-releases-on-tug.org presumably fits the bill, so we are all > happy. That seems an excellent idea. I didn't realise that was the system, and assumed one was under a moral obligation to get each of the many updates as they were announced. Does (or will) the version cipher (13g, etc) fit in with this? Eg 13 is the stable number, and g the update? > PS do remember that hyperref is my hobby; I don't do it because I _use_ it > (I have almost never done so in anger), or because anyone pays me > to. I do it for fun these days. I would be the last person to criticise, as I use hyperref all the time, generally without any problem, and so am most grateful to you. I realise from the way in which it is (necessarily) implemented that it is a rather delicate flower, requiring frequent attention. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 12 21:51:26 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07893 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 21:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA14794 for pdftex-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:44:14 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA14791 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:44:12 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990613034412.WVAQ9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com> for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:44:12 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:44:56 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <37632449.4817310@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id XAA14792 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Downloaded and installed 13e I ran into some problems. First off the search mechanism seams to have changed a bit. I used to be able to just specify /path/file, now I have to do something like c:/path/file or pdftex cannot find the file. I like the errors/warning generated when the map file has duplicate entries. I had to clean up my map file a bit. The most troublesome aspect of this new release is when pdftex tries to output a file that is locked by acrobat. I occasionally forget to close the pdf file when I am viewing it. When I switch back to the command line to run pdftex, the previous versions would just display an error saying that it cannot create the file and ask for another name, I could then close the file in acrobat and type the name back in for pdftex to use. Now when I do that I get: PDFTEX caused an invalid page fault in module PDFTEX.EXE at 0177:00435d77. Registers: EAX=00000000 CS=0177 EIP=00435d77 EFLGS=00010246 EBX=00000000 SS=017f ESP=0074f440 EBP=00000000 ECX=000008d7 DS=017f ESI=00000034 FS=500f EDX=0083aa64 ES=017f EDI=00000000 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: 80 7d 00 00 0f 84 3f 08 00 00 6a 0a 55 e8 17 e1 Stack dump: 000008d7 00000034 0074fc68 007eab9c 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 Pdftex does not die easily, it keeps on going but then generates a lot of errors about not being able to find the fonts (at this point, it looks like pdftex has lost its mind). Now for some really good news: pdftex can now import .pdf files a bit more robustly. Now instead of it rarely, if ever working, it is now up to about 50% reliable. About half of the PDF that I tried to create still don't work, or are inverted and skewed. Tiff now seem to work better also. I will give that a real test on Monday (I have been trying to find a work around for including tiffs, with no success). Actually the real test with tiffs is not including them, the problem has been with being able to then generate valid postscript from the resulting PDF. (The nightmare I have been in is that PDFTeX will create the file including the tiff, I can view the PDF file on the screen with Acrobat 3, Acrobat 4, and GhostScript, but none of them will generate a valid Postscript file. The all generate PostScript files that GhostScript and our imagesetter cannot read. It really bothers me when I find a way to make GhostScript create a file that it cannot read.) One of the more interesting things that happens with this version is what it does with Acrobat 4 pdfs (version 3). I took a tiff file and converted it with Acrobat 4 into a pdf. Pdftex generates a warning, but still includes the pdf file. This is important because the resulting pdf file is only 1/3 the size of the pdf file created by including a pdf generated by Acrobat 3. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 13 06:31:03 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18582 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA16405 for pdftex-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:23:58 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16402 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:23:57 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23877 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:23:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01827 for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:23:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906131223.OAA01827@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.13e pretest To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:23:59 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, pdftex-0.13e pretest is available at http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/tmp/ (sources + binaries for linux/djgpp/solaris). Changes: * changed `tex.pool' --> `pdf(e)tex.pool' in error messages * added workaround for TTFs (glyph `a' always embedded) * removed workaround for inclusion of PDF images with fonts * added checking for entry with ExtendFont/SlantFont in map files * improved PDF inclusion (checking/reducing font duplicates) * added optional keyword `direct' for \special{PDF:...} * improved partial downloading T1 fonts (subsetting the Subrs array) * added moving chars in range 0--31 to higher slots when possible * changed the way to print some files (pdftex.cfg, *.enc, *.map) To move chars 0--31 to higher slots you have to say `move_chars N' in pdftex.cfg, where N can be 0 (nothing), 1 (moving chars 0--31 in fonts with last char < 128 to higher area) or >= 2 (1 plus moving chars 0--31 to free slots in encoding vector for font with last char >= 128). The pdf inclusion and t1 subsetting seems quite promising, the result pdf is much smaller. There are many changes, so I expect this version a bit unstable and don't want to release it yet. Some problems have been reported that I cannot fix them at the moment. I am being away this week until Saturday. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 13 13:07:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26907 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA17317 for pdftex-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:56:12 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17314 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:56:10 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10tFQM-00034X-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:56:06 +0100 Received: from max85.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.85] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tFQK-0001vY-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:56:04 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:23:19 +0100 (BST) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <37632449.4817310@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > Now for some really good news: pdftex can now import .pdf files a bit more > robustly. Now instead of it rarely, if ever working, it is now up to about > 50% reliable. About half of the PDF that I tried to create still don't > work, or are inverted and skewed. I wonder why your PDF inclusion fails so often. I do know what you mean, I have seen the same thing from other people, but it has never ever happened to me (I see the latex web companion has 124 PDF inclusions, with no errors) Is this PDF created by Distiller or by Ghostscript? If the latter, may I suggest you abandon it? if not, then what is the common factor in your PDF files? there must be some application back up stream that is consisently at odds with the way pdftex/xpdf think. > resulting PDF. (The nightmare I have been in is that PDFTeX will create the > file including the tiff, I can view the PDF file on the screen with Acrobat > 3, Acrobat 4, and GhostScript, but none of them will generate a valid > Postscript file. The all generate PostScript files that GhostScript and our > imagesetter cannot read. have you considered NOT making a PS file? getting an imagesetter that understands PDF natively? for the aforementioned LaTeX Web Companion, we did trials of PDF->PS->imagesetter, and PDF->imagesetter, and went for the latter because of some failures in the former. I realize that buying a new imagesetter is not an option for tomorrow, but one has to start questioning whether PS has any role in the new production process. If you are wedded to PS for hard-copy, why not do a re-run using conventional tex/dvips*? Organizing this in a production system like yours should not be any problem. > One of the more interesting things that happens with this version is what it > does with Acrobat 4 pdfs (version 3). I took a tiff file and converted it > with Acrobat 4 into a pdf. Pdftex generates a warning, but still the warning is the from the xpdf stuff, I see. it made me nervous when I saw it, but it does seem to work, doesnt it. > the pdf file. This is important because the resulting pdf file is only 1/3 > the size of the pdf file created by including a pdf generated by Acrobat 3. that makes me even more nervous... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 13 13:07:51 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26916 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA17312 for pdftex-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:55:53 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17309 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:55:51 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10tFQ5-0006w2-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:55:49 +0100 Received: from max85.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.85] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tFQ5-00074E-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:55:49 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14179.54797.301763.84188@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:02:21 +0100 (BST) To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref 6.58 and package pdfscreen In-Reply-To: <19990613023829.D7498@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB2019787A2@exchange.localnet> <14175.55571.26742.532740@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612160815.G9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <14178.34914.921340.311575@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990613023829.D7498@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > I didn't realise that was the system, > and assumed one was under a moral obligation > to get each of the many updates as they were announced. well, your warranty is void if you do not install updates within 2 working days > Does (or will) the version cipher (13g, etc) fit in with this? > Eg 13 is the stable number, and g the update? I am not *that* organised. but, yes, probably. In current circumstances, I'll probably now produce 6.6 on CTAN shortly > I realise from the way in which it is (necessarily) implemented > that it is a rather delicate flower, requiring frequent attention. and loads of manure dumped on it :-} sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 13 19:05:15 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04567 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA18483 for pdftex-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:56:33 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18480 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:56:32 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990614005630.VHL9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:56:30 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: "Sebastian Rahtz" Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:57:14 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <37654c2b.10327205@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id UAA18481 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:23:19 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >Jeffrey McArthur writes: > > Now for some really good news: pdftex can now import .pdf files a bit more > > robustly. Now instead of it rarely, if ever working, it is now up to about > > 50% reliable. About half of the PDF that I tried to create still don't > > work, or are inverted and skewed. >I wonder why your PDF inclusion fails so often. I do know what you mean, >I have seen the same thing from other people, but it has never ever >happened to me (I see the latex web companion has 124 PDF inclusions, >with no errors) Is this PDF created by Distiller or by Ghostscript? If >the latter, may I suggest you abandon it? if not, then what is the >common factor in your PDF files? there must be some application back >up stream that is consisently at odds with the way pdftex/xpdf think. What I was trying to do was work around the tiff problem (see below). What I need to include are some graphic images. There are several problems associated with them. Right now the specs we have require 2400 DPI, 4 color images. This makes the tiff files a bit large (~100 meg each). We are trying to convince the client that we don't need that resolution, but we unfortunately we do need 4 color. Well not quite. What we are doing is placing logos in a book. The majority of the logos are just black and white, but some are red. So I have tried several things. For the B/W logos I can use monochrome tiffs. These are only about 1.3 meg in size. (But with 400 of them to work with that still is a lot, but better than the 5 gig needed for the 4 color version). The problem is the red logos. PDFTeX does not support "coloring" logos. (Not sure if I would even want to suggest how to do that.) So we did some interesting things. We converted the gray scale scan into RGB (three times larger). We also converted it to indexed color. In both cases, PDFTeX could include the TIF, and we could see it, but we could not reliably convert the PDF into postscript. So I started trying to convert the TIFs to PDFs to see what would happen with them. I had two options for converting the TIFs: photoshop and acrobat. In both cases, I would end up with PDF files that caused a problem somewhere down the line. Just a couple more comments about tiffs. I tend to use uncompressed tiff. The reason is simple, PDFTeX is much, much faster with uncompressed tiffs. PDFTeX uncompresses and then recompresses tiffs when you include them (or so it seams). Running PDFTeX with large compressed graphics is very, very, slow. On one test run, it took approximately 1 minute per graphic for PDFTeX, on a Pentium II 350 Mhz, to included a high res, compressed tif. That means it would take us about 400 minutes, or nearly 7 hours just to compose the pages. Sure we could get faster hardware, but I figured it would be better to find a better algorithm (i.e. pdfs, or uncompressed tiffs). > > resulting PDF. (The nightmare I have been in is that PDFTeX will create the > > file including the tiff, I can view the PDF file on the screen with Acrobat > > 3, Acrobat 4, and GhostScript, but none of them will generate a valid > > Postscript file. The all generate PostScript files that GhostScript and our > > imagesetter cannot read. >have you considered NOT making a PS file? getting an imagesetter that >understands PDF natively? for the aforementioned LaTeX Web Companion, >we did trials of PDF->PS->imagesetter, and PDF->imagesetter, and went >for the latter because of some failures in the former. I realize that >buying a new imagesetter is not an option for tomorrow, but one has to >start questioning whether PS has any role in the new production >process. If you are wedded to PS for hard-copy, why not do a re-run >using conventional tex/dvips*? Organizing this in a production system >like yours should not be any problem. Unfortunately, our client wants to be slow and methodical about changing the production procedures for this book. We have typeset this book, every six months, for about the past eight years or so. Until recently, the idea of electronically placing the logos and ads in the book was out of the question. What we would like to do is use the PDF as the final deliverable. But our client wants to stay with repro, for now. So we have no other option but to figure out how to generate the repro. Our imagesetter is one of the ones that appears to be orphaned by LinoType. We have tried to find out how much it would be to upgrade the software, but with the restructuring at LinoType we cannot even find the right group to talk to. So we are sort of stuck with a Level 2 (I say level 2 minus) postscript imagesetter. We have a contract with another typesetting company in the area, but they are in the same situation we are. Our real problem is the turn-around time on this project is very tight. We receive the data on a Monday, and have to have the finished pages for the index shipped out on Friday night for Saturday delivery. The size of the data plus the graphics means that it is not easy to electronically transfer this stuff to anyone. We need someone who we can reach by courier. This puts some real limits on us. (Actually contract is a real pain because we generally cannot use FedEx/Airborne or so on because the client wants his pages there before 8:00 AM.) Now for some other options you mentioned. We have considered using dvips. But this means we need EPS files. For the color stuff, that would push each file up to around 200 Meg in size, or a bit over 10 gig of data. Trying to push that through our network to the imagesetter is something we would really, really like to avoid. We did that once before, and for all intents and purposes, our network came to a crawl. So if we do that, we are going to have to some rewiring and zoning of our network just so we can get the data to the imagesetter. This is not something we really want to do if we can avoid it. > > One of the more interesting things that happens with this version is what it > > does with Acrobat 4 pdfs (version 3). I took a tiff file and converted it > > with Acrobat 4 into a pdf. Pdftex generates a warning, but still >the warning is the from the xpdf stuff, I see. it made me nervous when >I saw it, but it does seem to work, doesnt it. > > > the pdf file. This is important because the resulting pdf file is only 1/3 > > the size of the pdf file created by including a pdf generated by Acrobat 3. >that makes me even more nervous... What me worry? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 02:39:54 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14882 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA19020 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:25:59 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA19017 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:25:58 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10tS44-0002sR-00; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:25:56 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tS44-0008DB-00; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:25:56 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:22:46 +0000 (GMT) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <37654c2b.10327205@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > associated with them. Right now the specs we have require 2400 DPI, 4 color > images. This makes the tiff files a bit large (~100 meg each). We are gurk .... > So I started trying to convert the TIFs to PDFs to see what would happen > with them. I had two options for converting the TIFs: photoshop and > acrobat. In both cases, I would end up with PDF files that caused a problem > somewhere down the line. some other routes to try: - conversion to PNG from TIFF - convert TIFF to EPS with tiff2ps, then Distiller to get PDF the conclusion I draw is that the TIFF inclusion in pdfTeX is not yet mature, and that you should not use it for production. Better to stick with PNG > question. What we would like to do is use the PDF as the final deliverable. > But our client wants to stay with repro, for now. So we have no other > option but to figure out how to generate the repro. Our imagesetter is one > of the ones that appears to be orphaned by LinoType. We have tried to find ok, i do admit that finding a new setter is over the top > Now for some other options you mentioned. We have considered using dvips. > But this means we need EPS files. For the color stuff, that would push each > file up to around 200 Meg in size, or a bit over 10 gig of data. Trying to but the input EPS files would be not much bigger than the TIFF files, surely, using "tiff2ps -2" or the equivalent? and the output EPS you are generating anyway Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 03:09:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15494 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA18999 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:16:35 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA18996 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:16:33 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.4]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAB95; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:16:00 +0200 Message-ID: <3762EBCB.3C062D2D@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:22:51 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. References: <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.58353.29078.191589@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3762de5f.1446466@mail> <14178.25237.263634.643458@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Jeffrey McArthur writes: > > > Depends on your meaning of commercial. The LEXIS-NEXIS Directory of Online > > Services was produced using PDFTeX. This is ~660 page book typeset using > > PDFTeX (actually a fairly old version of PDFTeX). By the way, the entire > golly. I stand corrected > > I bet you didnt have to fight with loads of include PDF files for > figures:-} Seems like I didn't show you the 10*2500 page documents we made entirely with pdftex with thousands of graphics, upto 50K hyperlinks per document, about 2000 javascript enhanced fields per documents? It's part of an (experimental) publishing-on-demand project, where one selects questions from collections of examns, (related things are automatically (de)selected too), submits them to a www server, and gets about 4-6 A4 typeset examns mailed back (with all the proper components, renumbered, etc etc). It's non commercial in the sense that we paid most of it ourselves, but commercial in the sense that a real publisher joined in to the experiment. I bet it's one of the most advanced tex/pdf docs around, and we therefore use it to demonstrate that tex is far from outdated. Remind me to show it to you some day (if it's not outdated then). -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 03:41:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16176 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA19083 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:28:09 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19080 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:28:08 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.23]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5493; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:27:36 +0200 Message-ID: <3764BF9C.BC57316C@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:38:52 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han the Thanh CC: pdftex Subject: version e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Thanh, Pdftex version e produces a valid pdffile from the the demo files (the ones we used previously), but the computer modern part (bullets) does not show up when viewed. The fonts are in the file however. Also, I get (djgpp version) mapping messages x -> y on the terminal. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 05:54:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18949 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA19262 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:31:44 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA19259 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:31:42 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10tUxm-0006vu-00; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:31:38 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tUxm-0006ae-00; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:31:38 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14180.62817.761826.458758@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:28:17 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: f94pc@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Patrik Carlsson ] In-Reply-To: <199906141127.HAA19253@tug.org> References: <199906141127.HAA19253@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I can't see why T1 encoding with computer modern fonts produces bitmap > fonts > while \usepackage{inputenc} instead of T1 will produce perfect > postscript fonts. > Is the Computer Modern and European Computer Modern completely different > fonts? yes. completely different. EC fonts do not exist in (free) Type1 format > Then why can't the fonts be fixed when all characters already are in CM, many, many, characters are NOT in CM > this makes T1 obselete and useless. if your target is PDF, and you want Computer Modern, you have problems. as I say, invest some money and buy Y&Y's excellent European Modern. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 08:15:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22203 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA19391 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:45:19 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19388 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:45:17 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12895; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:45:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA11171; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906141358.PAA11171@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Thierry Bouche Cc: pdftex Subject: Re: pdftex-0.13e pretest In-Reply-To: <199906141334.PAA10201@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199906131223.OAA01827@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199906141334.PAA10201@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk i still get Bus Error with the solaris binary (not linux) the pdf uses 8 bit chars (like this: (simpli^Bcatrice.), (prêtent)) is this normal or is it related with the 8 bits chars printable due to my locale being iso-8859-1 ? Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 08:59:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23527 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19519 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:40:49 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19516 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:40:46 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10tXuf-0003zQ-00; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:40:37 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tXuf-00082s-00; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:40:37 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14181.8619.569528.978065@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:37:15 +0000 (GMT) To: ecashin@coe.uga.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org, f94pc@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Patrik Carlsson ] In-Reply-To: References: <199906141127.HAA19253@tug.org> <14180.62817.761826.458758@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ed L. Cashin writes: > > problems. as I say, invest some money and buy Y&Y's excellent European > > Modern. > > Does that just apply to people who need a European character set? > more or less, yes. it applies if you need characters that are in EC fonts but not in CM fonts. > teTeX comes with the Bluesky type1 versions of the CM fonts, and I > thought that they were free-to-use. (I can't reach tug.org to check yes, those are free, and fine. its just that some people, in and out of Europe, need a less weird encoding, and some extra characters sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 09:00:35 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23553 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19508 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:36:03 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19505 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:35:59 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05852; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:35:47 -0400 To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org, f94pc@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Patrik Carlsson ] References: <199906141127.HAA19253@tug.org> <14180.62817.761826.458758@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 14 Jun 1999 10:35:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of "Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:28:17 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > > I can't see why T1 encoding with computer modern fonts produces bitmap > > fonts > > while \usepackage{inputenc} instead of T1 will produce perfect > > postscript fonts. > > Is the Computer Modern and European Computer Modern completely different > > fonts? > yes. completely different. EC fonts do not exist in (free) Type1 format > > > Then why can't the fonts be fixed when all characters already are in CM, > many, many, characters are NOT in CM > > > this makes T1 obselete and useless. > if your target is PDF, and you want Computer Modern, you have > problems. as I say, invest some money and buy Y&Y's excellent European > Modern. Does that just apply to people who need a European character set? teTeX comes with the Bluesky type1 versions of the CM fonts, and I thought that they were free-to-use. (I can't reach tug.org to check right now, though.) -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 09:55:05 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25475 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA19754 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:40:32 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19751 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:40:30 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10tYqa-0005Z3-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:40:28 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tYqZ-0000WO-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:40:28 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref 6.58g Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:40:28 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk just to keep you hyperref users on your toes, I updated http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip again. having rearranged the structure of the .dtx file, so that those of you who know it can get confused again sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 22:29:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16148 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA23693 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:21:21 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA23690 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:21:18 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990615042117.KIXP9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:21:17 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:22:02 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id AAA23691 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:22:46 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: > > So I started trying to convert the TIFs to PDFs to see what would happen > > with them. I had two options for converting the TIFs: photoshop and > > acrobat. In both cases, I would end up with PDF files that caused a problem > > somewhere down the line. >some other routes to try: > - conversion to PNG from TIFF We seem to think in the same direction. Tried this. Same result. I am having the exact same problem with importing PNG files. > - convert TIFF to EPS with tiff2ps, then Distiller to get PDF Tried this two ways: TIFF to EPS with PhotoShop, and TIFF to PDF to EPS via Acrobat 4. Actually using Acrobat 4 is one of the ways to create a Level 2 EPS file. This is very attractive since Level 2 EPS files are quite small. Actually only a little larger than the PDF files. > > Now for some other options you mentioned. We have considered using dvips. > > But this means we need EPS files. For the color stuff, that would push each > > file up to around 200 Meg in size, or a bit over 10 gig of data. Trying to >but the input EPS files would be not much bigger than the TIFF files, >surely, using "tiff2ps -2" or the equivalent? and the output EPS you >are generating anyway I was not aware of tiff2ps. Found it, and will try it out in the morning. Much easier to use than the Acrobat 4 route. Spent a while retargetting the TeX macros for dvips instead of pdftex. Sort of a shame. I really liked the idea of using pdftex to generate pdfs. But I have to get the book done. Oh well, I will probably use pdftex, but with \pdfoutput=0. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 15 04:37:13 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24236 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA25023 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:21:26 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA25020 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:19:11 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.140.9]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19070 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:18:03 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 15 Jun 99 11:17:37 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 15 Jun 99 11:17:27 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 15 Jun 99 11:17:26 + 00 Message-ID: <376629E9.672EAE7@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:24:41 +0100 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: PS printing problems. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just finished a document with pdfTeX (exactly I did it through pdfLaTeX) and I tried to print it to a file in PS so I can rearrange the order size etc. of the pages, but I can't read the printed PS with GhostView, GS or any of them. I tried to print it with the Acrobat 3 (Windows/linux) and Acrobat 4 (Windows) to PS but then the PS interpreter fails to read it. I also tried to read it directly from GhostView (with GS 5.03) and GV but it didn't work either. It prints fine directly to the printer(?) I can't think about any other solution. Is it problem of GS or pdfTeX? Thank you in advance for any help. Sean C. McCarthy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 15 04:49:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24493 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA25040 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:23:59 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA25037 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:23:58 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10tqNo-0004dm-00; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:23:56 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tqNo-00007l-00; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:23:56 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:20:34 +0000 (GMT) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > > - conversion to PNG from TIFF > > We seem to think in the same direction. Tried this. Same result. I am > having the exact same problem with importing PNG files. something weird here. how do you create these PNGs? can you provide a small PNG file which screws up, so that Thanh can investigate? > Tried this two ways: TIFF to EPS with PhotoShop, and TIFF to PDF to EPS via > Acrobat 4. sounds complicated... you should find tiff2ps a lot easier. > Spent a while retargetting the TeX macros for dvips instead of pdftex. Sort > of a shame. I really liked the idea of using pdftex to generate pdfs. But > I have to get the book done. Oh well, I will probably use pdftex, but with > \pdfoutput=0. I'd expect that most people would write their macros at a sufficiently abstract level to allow for both DVI and PDF output? Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 15 08:16:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29150 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA25761 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:59:56 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25758 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:59:53 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10ttkj-0005ZJ-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:59:49 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ttkj-0004tS-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:59:49 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdfscreen Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:59:49 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have put a new version of pdfscreen.sty, from Radhakrishnan, on CTAN sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 15 11:10:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04093 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA26319 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:46:10 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26316 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:46:02 -0400 Received: from remote142-100.home.uni-freiburg.de (Kabuffi.home.uni-freiburg.de) [132.230.142.100] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10tw3e-0007EZ-00; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:27:30 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990615181918.0079bd10@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:19:18 +0200 To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es>, pdftex@tug.org From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: PS printing problems. In-Reply-To: <376629E9.672EAE7@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 11:24 15.06.99 +0100, Sean C. McCarthy wrote: >I just finished a document with pdfTeX (exactly I did it through >pdfLaTeX) and I tried to print it to a file in PS so I can rearrange the >order size etc. of the pages, but I can't read the printed PS with >GhostView, GS or any of them. I tried to print it with the Acrobat 3 >(Windows/linux) and Acrobat 4 (Windows) to PS but then the PS >interpreter fails to read it. I also tried to read it directly from >GhostView (with GS 5.03) and GV but it didn't work either. It prints >fine directly to the printer(?) I can't think about any other solution. >Is it problem of GS or pdfTeX? Thank you in advance for any help. Because there are some improvements and bug fixed in newer versions of ghostscript, you should update your ghostscript to at least 5.50. You haven't written which version of pdfTeX you use. Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 15 17:37:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15900 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA27122 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:29:24 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27119 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:29:22 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990615232922.RBTU9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:29:22 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:30:06 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id TAA27120 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:20:34 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: >Jeffrey McArthur writes: > > > - conversion to PNG from TIFF > > > > We seem to think in the same direction. Tried this. Same result. I am > > having the exact same problem with importing PNG files. >something weird here. how do you create these PNGs? can you provide >a small PNG file which screws up, so that Thanh can investigate? I will try and remember to bring some from work. I don't have any here at home. > > Tried this two ways: TIFF to EPS with PhotoShop, and TIFF to PDF to EPS via > > Acrobat 4. >sounds complicated... you should find tiff2ps a lot easier. Tried tiff2ps and liked it a lot; unfortunately our rip does not. It will work with EPS files created by acrobat 4, but not with ones created by tiff2ps. (I know, our rip sounds like it is nearly broken; but that is all I have to work with right now.) > > Spent a while retargetting the TeX macros for dvips instead of pdftex. Sort > > of a shame. I really liked the idea of using pdftex to generate pdfs. But > > I have to get the book done. Oh well, I will probably use pdftex, but with > > \pdfoutput=0. > >I'd expect that most people would write their macros at a sufficiently >abstract level to allow for both DVI and PDF output? The macros are now. I had never used color with dvips. All of our stuff that has gone to repro has been black and white until now. I learned how to do color with pdftex. The color commands are similar, but not quite the same. There is one major difference between including an EPS with dvips and including a PDF/TIFF/PNG/JPG with PDFTeX: sizing. Unless I use the epsf macros, eps files have no size. I like the epsf macros, but they cause a major performance hit on the network (long story). So I prefer not to use epsf. (Then of course, after all that, I find that the graphics were scanned incorrectly!) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 15 18:43:21 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17527 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27358 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:19:50 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27355 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:19:48 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FDE00B018WZ2Q@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FDE009DO8WZXY@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-reply-to: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I had problems with group 3 and group 4 compressed TIFF files and tiff2ps. The TIFF files themselves are fine, but the EPS files that come out of tiff2ps cause problems when distilling or when run through Transverter Pro. Are these problematic EPS files generated from g3 or g4 TIFFs? Also of note with libtiff: there is support for ZIP (DEFLATE) compression. Unfortunately, Adobe has chosen to use one tag to denote ZIP compression while Sam Leffler used a different tag. Supposedly, DEFLATE compression will make it into the next TIFF specification. Regards, Tom > > Tried tiff2ps and liked it a lot; unfortunately our rip does not. It will > work with EPS files created by acrobat 4, but not with ones created by > tiff2ps. (I know, our rip sounds like it is nearly broken; but that is all > I have to work with right now.) > > > > Spent a while retargetting the TeX macros for dvips instead of pdftex. Sort > > > of a shame. I really liked the idea of using pdftex to generate pdfs. But > > > I have to get the book done. Oh well, I will probably use pdftex, but with > > > \pdfoutput=0. > > > >I'd expect that most people would write their macros at a sufficiently > >abstract level to allow for both DVI and PDF output? > > The macros are now. I had never used color with dvips. All of our stuff > that has gone to repro has been black and white until now. I learned how to > do color with pdftex. The color commands are similar, but not quite the > same. There is one major difference between including an EPS with dvips and > including a PDF/TIFF/PNG/JPG with PDFTeX: sizing. Unless I use the epsf > macros, eps files have no size. I like the epsf macros, but they cause a > major performance hit on the network (long story). So I prefer not to use > epsf. (Then of course, after all that, I find that the graphics were > scanned incorrectly!) > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 00:31:45 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26037 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA28261 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:22:24 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA28258 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:22:23 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990616062222.TRYL9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:22:22 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PS printing problems. Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:23:05 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <376941c9.1458414@mail> References: <376629E9.672EAE7@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> In-Reply-To: <376629E9.672EAE7@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id CAA28259 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:24:41 +0100, you wrote: >I just finished a document with pdfTeX (exactly I did it through >pdfLaTeX) and I tried to print it to a file in PS so I can rearrange the >order size etc. of the pages, but I can't read the printed PS with >GhostView, GS or any of them. I tried to print it with the Acrobat 3 >(Windows/linux) and Acrobat 4 (Windows) to PS but then the PS >interpreter fails to read it. I also tried to read it directly from >GhostView (with GS 5.03) and GV but it didn't work either. It prints >fine directly to the printer(?) I can't think about any other solution. >Is it problem of GS or pdfTeX? Thank you in advance for any help. Did you include any tiff or pdf files? This is the problem I have been having. What may help is to use GS to extract the pages from the PDF. In some cases this will work. But this method is not completely reliable. You should upgrade your version of GS, that also fixes some problems. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 01:10:53 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26931 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA28414 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:59:43 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA28411 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:59:41 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01933 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:59:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCGNQBG4EK000OJK@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:59:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:00:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. In-reply-to: <37666DFA.363D0AD@wxs.nl> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14183.26531.180954.460936@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <3762ECD4.7CC8EE4C@wxs.nl> <37665AF7.D212AFA9@mail.usyd.edu.au> <37666DFA.363D0AD@wxs.nl> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen writes: Hans> Robert Howlett wrote: >> Lots of us use pstricks for very simple diagrams to be included >> in TeX documents. To convert such a document for use with >> pdftex is a somewhat painful process, since the diagrams have >> to be done separately, converted from eps to pdf, and then >> included back in the original document. I guess that 90% of >> this problem would be solved by a few macros using \pdfliteral >> and the graphics support that pdf has. I wish I had time to >> pursue this. Hans> I fear you're wrong. PStricks depends on the PS interpreter Hans> to do quite some the calculations. Definately wrong. The only way to do pstricks is to logically include a PostScript interpreter. It may be possible get pdftex to talk to ghostscript for this purpose, but it is far from trivial (and I absolutely do not have enough time to do this). >From the effort put in by micropress inc. to support pstricks (see http://www.cybercomm.nl/~bittext/vtex/ ), I gather that pstricks makes some assumptions about being run on top of dvips, and also that pstricks doesn't understand font subsetting so the output has to be parsed searching for characters and fonts that do not appear in the regular TeX portion. Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 01:13:39 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26966 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA28469 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:06:56 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA28466 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:06:53 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02285 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:06:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCGO07JBXG000OJK@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:06:47 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:07:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-reply-to: To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14183.26962.828447.478123@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Kacvinsky writes: Tom> Hi, I had problems with group 3 and group 4 compressed TIFF Tom> files and tiff2ps. The TIFF files themselves are fine, but Tom> the EPS files that come out of tiff2ps cause problems when Tom> distilling or when run through Transverter Pro. FWIIW: I use 'convert' from ImageMagick and have never had problems so far (perhaps because it takes a different approach ?) Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 02:17:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28456 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA28789 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:01:14 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA28786 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:01:13 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10uAdD-00010j-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:01:11 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uAdD-0001Wm-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:01:11 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:57:50 +0000 (GMT) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > Tried tiff2ps and liked it a lot; unfortunately our rip does not. It will > work with EPS files created by acrobat 4, but not with ones created by did you check out all the options? I recall having to use -z > >I'd expect that most people would write their macros at a sufficiently > >abstract level to allow for both DVI and PDF output? > > The macros are now. I had never used color with dvips. All of our stuff have you considered using the LaTeX color and graphics packages, via the plain TeX wrapper which David Carlisle provided? > same. There is one major difference between including an EPS with dvips and > including a PDF/TIFF/PNG/JPG with PDFTeX: sizing. Unless I use the epsf > macros, eps files have no size. whatever *do* you use for graphics inclusion, then? raw \special commands? gordon bennett, now i know why I use LaTeX > I like the epsf macros, but they cause a > major performance hit on the network (long story). So I prefer not to use > epsf. if you use the LaTeX graphics system, you could read small local bounding box files instead of the full graphic sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 02:29:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28748 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA28766 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:55:19 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA28763 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:55:17 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10uAXU-0006Ky-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:55:16 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uAXU-0007v8-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:55:16 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14183.26026.783916.105765@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:51:54 +0000 (GMT) To: tjk@ams.org Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: References: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky writes: > I had problems with group 3 and group 4 compressed TIFF files > and tiff2ps. The TIFF files themselves are fine, but the EPS tried the -z option? Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 03:16:52 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29686 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA29321 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:56:42 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA29318 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:56:37 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.140.9]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20109; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:56:05 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 16 Jun 99 09:55:37 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 16 Jun 99 09:55:32 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 16 Jun 99 09:55:30 + 00 Message-ID: <37676839.6ADE6E2D@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:02:49 +0100 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Oberdiek , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PS printing problems. References: <3.0.6.32.19990615181918.0079bd10@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <37676521.5B75497B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I made an error in the last mail, when I wrote: > "copy the .pool files and "texconfig init" to regenerate the .fmt but I > get an error message "increase POOLSIZE" also the latex.fmt. I'm not ..." it should be: also the latex.fmt file disappeared. Thank you and apologies for the error. Sean C. McCarthy. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 03:34:40 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00092 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA29149 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:45:19 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (root@fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA29146 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:45:02 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.140.9]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19487; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:43:03 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 16 Jun 99 09:42:37 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 16 Jun 99 09:42:18 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 16 Jun 99 09:42:17 + 00 Message-ID: <37676521.5B75497B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:49:37 +0100 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Oberdiek CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PS printing problems. References: <3.0.6.32.19990615181918.0079bd10@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > > At 11:24 15.06.99 +0100, Sean C. McCarthy wrote: > >I just finished a document with pdfTeX (exactly I did it through > >pdfLaTeX) and I tried to print it to a file in PS so I can rearrange the > >order size etc. of the pages, but I can't read the printed PS with > >GhostView, GS or any of them. I tried to print it with the Acrobat 3 > >(Windows/linux) and Acrobat 4 (Windows) to PS but then the PS > >interpreter fails to read it. I also tried to read it directly from > >GhostView (with GS 5.03) and GV but it didn't work either. It prints > >fine directly to the printer(?) I can't think about any other solution. > >Is it problem of GS or pdfTeX? Thank you in advance for any help. > > Because there are some improvements and bug fixed in newer versions > of ghostscript, you should update your ghostscript to at least 5.50. > You haven't written which version of pdfTeX you use. > > Yours sincerely > Heiko I'm downloading 5.50 now. Concerning the inclusion of images I only included PNG files. My pdfTeX was very old 0.12h I think (I'm not at the computer I use for pdfTeX, but it is the version that goes with Linux-Debian 2.0). Now I upgraded to 13e but I can't get it to work. I get the binaries for Linux and decompress them. Overwrite the old files, copy the .pool files and "texconfig init" to regenerate the .fmt but I get an error message "increase POOLSIZE" also the latex.fmt. I'm not an expert in TeX and couldn't find any information about this in any of the info that comes along with TeX. By the way I'm using Web2c 7.2 does it make any difference. Any help would be very welcomed, because I used followed the steps given in a previous message. Thanks in advance. Sean C. McCarthy. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 03:52:30 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00507 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA29826 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:42:38 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA29823 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:42:37 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10284 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:42:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCGTF6XOES000ZEA@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:42:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:43:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-reply-to: <14183.26026.783916.105765@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14183.36301.885508.672530@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26026.783916.105765@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Rahtz writes: Sebastian> Tom Kacvinsky writes: >> I had problems with group 3 and group 4 compressed TIFF files >> and tiff2ps. The TIFF files themselves are fine, but the EPS Sebastian> tried the -z option? Interestingly, mine does not even have a -z option. > rpm -q -f `which tiff2ps` libtiff-3.4-4 Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 04:34:42 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01471 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA30232 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:19:06 -0400 Received: from mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au (mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.50.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA30228 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:19:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (msevior@localhost) by mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA08499; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:17:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:17:46 +1000 (EST) From: Martin Sevior To: Taco Hoekwater cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <14183.26962.828447.478123@PC709.wkap.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > FWIIW: I use 'convert' from ImageMagick and have never had problems so > far (perhaps because it takes a different approach ?) > After my "simple newbie question" I used the gimp to convert to .png then used the \includegraphics package. It worked great! Unfortunately our friend seems stuck in a Windows environment. I understand a windows port of the gimp is making good progress though. (Consider this another linux plug :-) ) Martin Sevior From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 05:09:38 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02161 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA30601 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:57:41 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA30598 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:57:39 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10uDNw-0000Gr-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:57:36 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uDNw-0007sm-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:57:36 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14183.36959.376508.766122@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:54:07 +0000 (GMT) To: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <14183.36301.885508.672530@PC709.wkap.nl> References: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26026.783916.105765@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14183.36301.885508.672530@PC709.wkap.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater writes: > Sebastian> tried the -z option? > > Interestingly, mine does not even have a -z option. > > > rpm -q -f `which tiff2ps` > libtiff-3.4-4 > i have 3.4beta037, which has been around for ages, I think. certainly advisable to have it. as you say, ImageMagick also does the job, or Image Alchemy (commercial), or the cute tiff2ps by Jackowski which use Ghostscript: TIFF2PS is a PostScript program for the conversion of TIFF files (ver. 6.0) to EPS ones. Compression (LZW, RLE, Flate) and ASCII85 encoding is available. The package may be used for generating colour-separated EPSes, ``EPS thumbnails,'' and, moreover, little header EPSes, containing only a pointer to a source TIFF file. Employing Ghostscript guarantees efficient processing its on texlive4 in support/tiff2ps.zip mind you, if you use ImageMagick, then convert foo.tif foo.pdf works. anyone care to tell us how to get the MediaBox or CropBox right? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 05:12:07 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02219 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA30484 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:49:52 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA30480 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:49:50 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09382 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:49:39 +0200 Message-ID: <37678247.5D1308AB@ulg.ac.be> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:54:16 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX liste Subject: \guillememotright unavailable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, During the compilation with pdftex, the bibliography has some problems : pdftex give the following messages: LaTeX error: command \guillememotright unavailable in encoding U. I am using the package french with the OT1 encoding fonts. (\usepackage[OT1]{fontenc}). There is also some problems with the french guillemets in the text. How can I solve this problem (without buying the Y&Y font). Thanks -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 06:20:27 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03723 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA31259 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:09:25 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA31256 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:09:23 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17564 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:09:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCGYK8M7IA0012YW@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:09:16 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:10:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-reply-to: <14183.36959.376508.766122@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14183.45113.742276.15513@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26026.783916.105765@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14183.36301.885508.672530@PC709.wkap.nl> <14183.36959.376508.766122@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian> mind you, if you use ImageMagick, then convert foo.tif Sebastian> foo.pdf works. anyone care to tell us how to get the Sebastian> MediaBox or CropBox right? You need to fix up a line in /usr/X11R6/share/ImageMagick/ delegates.mgk. The trick is adding the -g switch to the gs call. ps<=>pdf /usr/bin/gs -dMaxBitmap=300000000 -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -q \ -dNOPAUSE -dSAFER -sOutputFile="%o" -g%w0x%h0 -- "%i" -c quit Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 06:30:40 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03924 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA31250 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:08:52 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA31247 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:08:51 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17546 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:08:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCGYJLSYVW0012YW@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:08:45 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:09:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-reply-to: <14183.36959.376508.766122@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14183.45082.755556.653130@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26026.783916.105765@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14183.36301.885508.672530@PC709.wkap.nl> <14183.36959.376508.766122@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian> mind you, if you use ImageMagick, then convert foo.tif Sebastian> foo.pdf works. anyone care to tell us how to get the Sebastian> MediaBox or CropBox right? You need to fix up a line in /usr/X11R6/share/ImageMagick/ delegates.mgk. The trick is adding the -g switch to the gs call. ps<=>pdf /usr/bin/gs -dMaxBitmap=300000000 -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -q \ -dNOPAUSE -dSAFER -sOutputFile="%o" -g%w0x%h0 -- "%i" -c quit Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 07:08:05 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04763 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA31562 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:48:45 -0400 Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (root@mailhost.cyberramp.net [207.158.64.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA31559 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:48:43 -0400 Received: from fuzzylog.simple.dallas.tx.us (dal-tsa14-15.cyberramp.net [207.158.83.207]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-19990603) with ESMTP id HAA07444; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:48:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from scooby (scooby [192.168.1.3]) by fuzzylog.simple.dallas.tx.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03193; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:48:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:48:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Friesenhahn To: Martin Sevior cc: Taco Hoekwater , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Martin Sevior wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > > > FWIIW: I use 'convert' from ImageMagick and have never had problems so > > far (perhaps because it takes a different approach ?) > > After my "simple newbie question" I used the gimp to convert to .png then > used the \includegraphics package. It worked great! Unfortunately our > friend seems stuck in a Windows environment. I understand a windows port > of the gimp is making good progress though. (Consider this another linux > plug :-) ) While the Gimp is still being ported to Windows (yes, a port is actively underway), ImageMagick *is* ported to Windows so it is possible to use convert there just like under Unix. Display-oriented operations don't work unless you have installed an X11 server on your PC (someone is working on a Windows GUI). It has been discussed before on this list that pdftex could be integrated with ImageMagick so as to support reading the umpteen (70?) file formats it supports in a generic way, but it seems that interest in this has died. Bob ====================================== Bob Friesenhahn bfriesen@simple.dallas.tx.us http://www.cyberramp.net/~bfriesen From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 07:08:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04790 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA31574 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:50:24 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA31571 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:50:22 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA09648; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:46:19 -0400 To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PS printing problems. References: <3.0.6.32.19990615181918.0079bd10@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <37676521.5B75497B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 16 Jun 1999 08:46:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Sean C. McCarthy"'s message of "Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:49:37 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> writes: [...] > Linux-Debian 2.0). Now I upgraded to 13e but I can't get it to > work. I get the binaries for Linux and decompress them. Overwrite > the old files, copy the .pool files and "texconfig init" to > regenerate the .fmt but I get an error message "increase POOLSIZE" > also the latex.fmt. I'm not an expert in TeX and couldn't find any > information about this in any of the info that comes along with > TeX. By the way I'm using Web2c 7.2 does it make any difference. Any > help would be very welcomed, because I used followed the steps given > in a previous message. Thanks in advance. There are people on this list (I'm not one) who seem to have mastered the ins and outs of configuring all of the related parts of a TeX distribution, but it is sometime complicated. Thomas Esser has a very nice distribution of TeX that (for a while) now includes pdfTeX. It's called teTeX, and you can find it at: http://www.tug.org/tetex/ -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 07:22:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05194 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:22:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA31788 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:09:02 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA31785 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:08:58 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01917; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:07:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3767A308.16902089@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:13:44 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taco Hoekwater CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <3762ECD4.7CC8EE4C@wxs.nl> <37665AF7.D212AFA9@mail.usyd.edu.au> <37666DFA.363D0AD@wxs.nl> <14183.26531.180954.460936@PC709.wkap.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > >>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen writes: > > Hans> Robert Howlett wrote: > > >> Lots of us use pstricks for very simple diagrams to be included > >> in TeX documents. To convert such a document for use with > >> pdftex is a somewhat painful process, since the diagrams have > >> to be done separately, converted from eps to pdf, and then > >> included back in the original document. I guess that 90% of > >> this problem would be solved by a few macros using \pdfliteral > >> and the graphics support that pdf has. I wish I had time to > >> pursue this. > > Hans> I fear you're wrong. PStricks depends on the PS interpreter > Hans> to do quite some the calculations. > > Definately wrong. The only way to do pstricks is to logically include > a PostScript interpreter. It may be possible get pdftex to talk to > ghostscript for this purpose, but it is far from trivial (and I > absolutely do not have enough time to do this). > > >From the effort put in by micropress inc. to support pstricks (see > http://www.cybercomm.nl/~bittext/vtex/ ), I gather that pstricks makes > some assumptions about being run on top of dvips, and also that > pstricks doesn't understand font subsetting so the output has to be > parsed searching for characters and fonts that do not appear in the > regular TeX portion. > > Taco > Sure, I know that pstricks in its entirety relies on a lot of the capabilities of ps that are not included in pdf. But for me, personally, 90% of the diagrams I use are trivial little things that need hardly anything -- a few points, lines & circles labelled with letters. Things I'm sure that can be easily done with pdf if only I had the time to learn a bit of the language. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 07:53:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05947 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA32227 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:42:34 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA32223 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10uFxR-0007hm-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:42:25 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uFxQ-0005Vt-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:42:24 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14183.46847.503866.207102@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:38:55 +0000 (GMT) To: bfriesen@simple.dallas.tx.us Cc: msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au, taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Bob Friesenhahn writes: > underway), ImageMagick *is* ported to Windows so it is possible to > use convert there just like under Unix. try "convert" on an NT command line :-} (you need an explicit path to pick up the right `convert') > Display-oriented operations don't work unless you something like convert foo.tif win: works, I recall, to display things under Windows > It has been discussed before on this list that pdftex could be > integrated with ImageMagick so as to support reading the umpteen > (70?) file formats it supports in a generic way, but it seems that > interest in this has died. if you are prepared to enable \write18 (the system call), you could do it all in macros. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 08:33:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07022 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA32723 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:17:52 -0400 Received: from kali.coe.uga.edu (IDENT:ecashin@kali.coe.uga.edu [128.192.22.62]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA32720 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:17:50 -0400 Received: (from ecashin@localhost) by kali.coe.uga.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA09709; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:17:45 -0400 To: Robert Howlett Cc: Taco Hoekwater , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <3762ECD4.7CC8EE4C@wxs.nl> <37665AF7.D212AFA9@mail.usyd.edu.au> <37666DFA.363D0AD@wxs.nl> <14183.26531.180954.460936@PC709.wkap.nl> <3767A308.16902089@mail.usyd.edu.au> From: ecashin@coe.uga.edu (Ed L. Cashin) Date: 16 Jun 1999 10:17:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: Robert Howlett's message of "Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:13:44 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett writes: > Sure, I know that pstricks in its entirety relies on a lot of the > capabilities of ps that are not included in pdf. But for me, > personally, 90% of the diagrams I use are trivial little things that > need hardly anything -- a few points, lines & circles labelled with > letters. Things I'm sure that can be easily done with pdf if only I > had the time to learn a bit of the language. For that, try metapost. (Even for really complex stuff, try metapost.) I've been really happy with metapost--found it powerful as well as easy to learn and use. pdftex supports metapost. And it is a more portable skill for you, since it doesn't tie you to a postscript interpreter. http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/hobby/MetaPost.html -- --Ed Cashin ecashin@coe.uga.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 08:55:07 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07693 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA00206 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:41:08 -0400 Received: from rufus.fe.up.pt (morgana.fe.up.pt [193.136.30.190]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00202 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:41:04 -0400 Received: from fe.up.pt (villate@sputnik.fe.up.pt [193.137.28.147]) by rufus.fe.up.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24721; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:38:52 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <3767B795.AAB34733@fe.up.pt> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:41:25 +0100 From: "Jaime E. Villate" Organization: Faculdade de Engenharia, Porto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PABlanche@ulg.ac.be CC: pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: \guillememotright unavailable References: <37678247.5D1308AB@ulg.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pierre-Alexandre Blanche wrote: > pdftex give the following messages: > LaTeX error: command \guillememotright unavailable in encoding U. > How can I solve this problem (without buying the Y&Y font). I've used the \langle and \rangle from the cm math fonts to get something that looks similar to the french guillememotright. In 11pt text, I used thefollowing commands: \newcommand{\laquo}{\raise.3ex\hbox{\ensuremath{\scriptscriptstyle \langle\!\langle}}} \newcommand{\raquo}{\raise.3ex\hbox{\ensuremath{\scriptscriptstyle \rangle\!\rangle}}} which will give you the left and right gillemots (I guess a \renewcommand{\guillememotright}{...} should work too). Jaime Villate From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 09:52:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09446 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA00491 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:16:10 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00487 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:16:08 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.94]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4CA5; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:15:36 +0200 Message-ID: <3767BF49.AA75F6E4@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:14:17 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: Taco Hoekwater , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <3762ECD4.7CC8EE4C@wxs.nl> <37665AF7.D212AFA9@mail.usyd.edu.au> <37666DFA.363D0AD@wxs.nl> <14183.26531.180954.460936@PC709.wkap.nl> <3767A308.16902089@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > Sure, I know that pstricks in its entirety relies on a lot of the > capabilities of ps that are not included in pdf. But for me, > personally, 90% of the diagrams I use are trivial little things > that need hardly anything -- a few points, lines & circles labelled > with letters. Things I'm sure that can be easily done with > pdf if only I had the time to learn a bit of the language. Try metapost! It can do that as no other. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 10:31:39 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10532 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA00937 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:14:45 -0400 Received: from kraken.apl.washington.edu (kraken96.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.25]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00933 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:14:42 -0400 Received: from galiano (galiano.apl.washington.edu [128.95.96.142]) by kraken.apl.washington.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21840; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jody Klymak" To: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Cc: Subject: RE: PS printing problems. Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:13:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000301beb813$380677f0$8e605f80@apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <37676521.5B75497B@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sean, Take a look at http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftex-l.pdf and do a search on "pool". The entry under "Common problems" should point you in the right direction (though maybe not - I've never personaly had this problem) Cheers, Jody > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdftex@tug.org [mailto:owner-pdftex@tug.org]On Behalf Of > Sean C. McCarthy > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 1:50 AM > To: Heiko Oberdiek > Cc: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: Re: PS printing problems. > > > Hi, > > Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > > > > At 11:24 15.06.99 +0100, Sean C. McCarthy wrote: > > >I just finished a document with pdfTeX (exactly I did it through > > >pdfLaTeX) and I tried to print it to a file in PS so I can > rearrange the > > >order size etc. of the pages, but I can't read the printed PS with > > >GhostView, GS or any of them. I tried to print it with the > Acrobat 3 > > >(Windows/linux) and Acrobat 4 (Windows) to PS but then the PS > > >interpreter fails to read it. I also tried to read it directly from > > >GhostView (with GS 5.03) and GV but it didn't work either. > It prints > > >fine directly to the printer(?) I can't think about any > other solution. > > >Is it problem of GS or pdfTeX? Thank you in advance for any help. > > > > Because there are some improvements and bug fixed in newer versions > > of ghostscript, you should update your ghostscript to at least 5.50. > > You haven't written which version of pdfTeX you use. > > > > Yours sincerely > > Heiko > > I'm downloading 5.50 now. Concerning the inclusion of images I only > included PNG files. My pdfTeX was very old 0.12h I think (I'm > not at the > computer I use for pdfTeX, but it is the version that goes with > Linux-Debian 2.0). Now I upgraded to 13e but I can't get it to work. I > get the binaries for Linux and decompress them. Overwrite the > old files, > copy the .pool files and "texconfig init" to regenerate the .fmt but I > get an error message "increase POOLSIZE" also the latex.fmt. > I'm not an > expert in TeX and couldn't find any information about this in > any of the > info that comes along with TeX. By the way I'm using Web2c 7.2 does it > make any difference. Any help would be very welcomed, because I used > followed the steps given in a previous message. Thanks in advance. > > Sean C. McCarthy. > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 15:37:50 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19769 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA01578 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:29:14 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01574 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:29:02 -0400 Received: (from te@localhost) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA07353; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:25:10 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:25:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199906162125.XAA07353@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de, swan@mch4.chem.msu.su Cc: Olaf Weber , pdftex@tug.org, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: Re: teTeX 1.0.2 : .fmt files not generated Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > The only obvious thing is: pdftex is not working (segfault) and the I could reproduce pdftex segfaults when linking (and running) against libc5.0.9 on Linux (Intel). The problems come from the C++ libraries that are used when linking pdftex. The linker is called by c++ with a command like ... goo/libGoo.a lib/lib.a ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a -lg++ -lstdc++ -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc The -lg++ -lstdc++ are not used in fact, but they cause trouble. After removing them, pdftex started to work. This is not a portable solution, but I think I have found one... The portable solution is to add -lc to the link command. That way, symbols that exist in -lg++ -lstdc++ and in the are taken from libc and the resulting binary works. Thomas *** texk/web2c/Makefile.in.orig Wed Jun 16 23:24:21 1999 --- texk/web2c/Makefile.in Wed Jun 16 23:25:10 1999 *************** *** 200,208 **** patgen: patgen.o $(kpathsea_link) patgen.o $(LOADLIBES) pdftex: $(pdftex_o) $(pdftexextra_o) $(pdftexlibsdep) ! $(kpathsea_cxx_link) $(pdftex_o) $(pdftexextra_o) $(pdftexlibs) $(socketlibs) $(LOADLIBES) pdfetex: pdftexd.h $(pdfetex_o) $(pdfetexextra_o) $(pdftexlibsdep) ! $(kpathsea_cxx_link) $(pdfetex_o) $(pdfetexextra_o) $(pdftexlibs) $(socketlibs) $(LOADLIBES) pktogf: pktogf.o $(kpathsea_link) pktogf.o $(LOADLIBES) pktype: pktype.o --- 200,208 ---- patgen: patgen.o $(kpathsea_link) patgen.o $(LOADLIBES) pdftex: $(pdftex_o) $(pdftexextra_o) $(pdftexlibsdep) ! $(kpathsea_cxx_link) $(pdftex_o) $(pdftexextra_o) $(pdftexlibs) $(socketlibs) $(LOADLIBES) -lc pdfetex: pdftexd.h $(pdfetex_o) $(pdfetexextra_o) $(pdftexlibsdep) ! $(kpathsea_cxx_link) $(pdfetex_o) $(pdfetexextra_o) $(pdftexlibs) $(socketlibs) $(LOADLIBES) -lc pktogf: pktogf.o $(kpathsea_link) pktogf.o $(LOADLIBES) pktype: pktype.o From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 16:14:34 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20786 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01856 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:08:20 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01853 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:08:16 -0400 Received: (from te@localhost) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA07484; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:04:07 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:04:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199906162204.AAA07484@regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de, swan@mch4.chem.msu.su Cc: olaf@infovore.xs4all.nl, pdftex@tug.org, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tetex@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: Re: teTeX 1.0.2 : .fmt files not generated Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > The portable solution is to add -lc to the link command. That way, > symbols that exist in -lg++ -lstdc++ and in the are taken from libc and > the resulting binary works. Well, to follow-up myself: the above fix works with gcc version 2.7.2.3. It does not work for egcs-1.1.2. That compiler is too smart... :-( $ c++ -v -o pdftex pdftexini.o pdftex0.o pdftex1.o pdftex2.o pdftexextra.o pdftexdir/libpdf.a ../../libs/libpng/libpng.a ../../libs/zlib/libz.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/pdftoepdf.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/libGoo.a lib/lib.a ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/specs gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 release) /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/collect2 -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.1 -o pdftex /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtbegin.o -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66 -L/usr/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/lib pdftexini.o pdftex0.o pdftex1.o pdftex2.o pdftexextra.o pdftexdir/libpdf.a ../../libs/libpng/libpng.a ../../libs/zlib/libz.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/pdftoepdf.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/libGoo.a lib/lib.a ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a -lstdc++ -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o Adding -lc: $ c++ -v -o pdftex pdftexini.o pdftex0.o pdftex1.o pdftex2.o pdftexextra.o pdftexdir/libpdf.a ../../libs/libpng/libpng.a ../../libs/zlib/libz.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/pdftoepdf.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/libGoo.a lib/lib.a ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a -lc Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/specs gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 release) /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/collect2 -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.1 -o pdftex /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtbegin.o -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66 -L/usr/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/lib pdftexini.o pdftex0.o pdftex1.o pdftex2.o pdftexextra.o pdftexdir/libpdf.a ../../libs/libpng/libpng.a ../../libs/zlib/libz.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/pdftoepdf.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/libGoo.a lib/lib.a ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a -lstdc++ -lm -lc -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o $ ./pdftex Segmentation fault Removing -lstdc++ "by hand": $ /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/collect2 -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.1 -o pdftex /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtbegin.o -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66 -L/usr/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/lib pdftexini.o pdftex0.o pdftex1.o pdftex2.o pdftexextra.o pdftexdir/libpdf.a ../../libs/libpng/libpng.a ../../libs/zlib/libz.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/pdftoepdf.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/libGoo.a lib/lib.a ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a -lm -lc -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o $ ./pdftex This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) Adding -lc before -lstdc++: $ /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/collect2 -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.1 -o pdftex /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtbegin.o -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66 -L/usr/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/lib pdftexini.o pdftex0.o pdftex1.o pdftex2.o pdftexextra.o pdftexdir/libpdf.a ../../libs/libpng/libpng.a ../../libs/zlib/libz.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/xpdf/pdftoepdf.a pdftexdir/xpdf-0.80/goo/libGoo.a lib/lib.a ../kpathsea/STATIC/libkpathsea.a -lc -lstdc++ -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnulibc1/egcs-2.91.66/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o $ ./pdftex This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) Well, I think this is a Linux-problem (not a pdftex problem). Still, I don't see an easy work-around (adding -lc obviously does not work with all compilers). Argh... Thomas From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 17:42:39 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23073 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02178 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:36:44 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02175 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:36:42 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990616233641.BUG9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:36:41 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:37:25 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id TAA02176 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:57:50 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: >Jeffrey McArthur writes: > > I like the epsf macros, but they cause a > > major performance hit on the network (long story). So I prefer not to use > > epsf. >if you use the LaTeX graphics system, you could read small local >bounding box files instead of the full graphic Ok, here is the problem with both epsf and the LaTeX graphics system. We found this out the hard way, and probably our problems won't make any difference to anyone but us. The problem is simple: the eps file is opened more than one time. Now why is this an issue. A while ago we were doing a rather large and nasty book. We had 6 Gig of EPS graphics to include. Our server only had 18 Gig, of which there was already 12 Gig in use (including the 6 Gig). To make matters worse, we needed to submit the resulting postscript files to both a printer and our imagesetter (now much maligned). Anyway we ran out of disk space. We found a rather interesting solution. We are running under Novell 4.1, so we turned compression on, and told the Server to compress everything that had not been touched in more than 12 hours. Now Novell's compression scheme is quite interesting. If you access a file, it will decompress it on the fly; but if you access the file a second time, it will write the decompressed file to disk. Ok, so every morning, we could come in, and compose the book (about 40 minutes). We could run it through dvips and create the postscript files with reasonable speed (moving 6 gig of data takes time). However, if we used the epsf macros, then the server would try and decompress the files, which would cause the server to thrash, throwing the network to its knees. The same thing would happen if we had to run dvips again. The solution would be to upgrade the network and turn off compression. Unfortunately, corporate wheels turn slowly. This means that although this happened quite a while ago, we have not upgraded our network. The compression allows you to do scary things. At one time we had 36 Gig of data on our 18 Gig server with room to spare. One of the things I am supposed to do this week is to spend a couple of hours going over the revised (for about the 20th time) network plan that involves putting in another larger and faster server, adding more switches and so on. Now for the other gotcha's about things like reading bounding box files. We knew how big the files were supposed to be. We had a database that was based on how much the person had paid. So we really did not need, nor want to read the bounding box. If the graphic came out the wrong size, there was a problem with the graphic. In essence, if a person paid for a 5" x 3" graphic, then the graphic had better be 5" x 3" or there would have to some sort of reconciliation with accounting (something no-one wants to deal with). I know that epsf can resize the graphics. That was not an acceptable option. The person who paid for the ad was given a copy of repro with the ad on it as it was to appear in the book. If the ad on the repro did not match exactly with the ad in the book, the person had the right to refuse to pay for the ad. (I am sure you can imagine the affect that this would have on accounting.) So we could not resize the ads. The ads had to be the correct size. One of the reasons we lost part of this contract was because we got behind and ended up resizing some of the graphics. This cost the company I work for several hundred thousand dollars worth of work. The stuff I am currently working involves logos. All the logos must be exactly the same size. Again I cannot resize or adjust the logo. The placement of the logo much match what the customer paid for. So if they wanted their logo to be just left of center, the logo had better come out in the place they specified (some of the logos are not centered in the area). The only solution is to scan to match the exact placement of the logo. This means each uncompressed graphic file is exactly the same size. (This is a quick and easy check.) So there is no need to read the bounding box of the eps, or even to check the size of the tif/pgn/pdf. They had better be all the exact same size or there will be some serious explaining to do to accounting. In cases like this, what does using something like epsf or the latex graphic packages do for me over just using \special or \pdfimage? Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 16 17:50:53 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23315 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02226 for pdftex-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:45:02 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02223 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:45:01 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990616234500.DMU9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:45:00 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org Cc: jmcarth@atlis.com Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:45:44 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <376b3546.3217144@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> In-Reply-To: <37632449.4817310@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id TAA02224 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk More notes about tiff inclusion. I think I may have found the problem: colors. I am working on two TeX projects, each of which include graphics. One is B/W and the other has Color (text, and graphics). Both jobs compose with PDFTeX. I can view the PDFs in Acrobat 4. I can convert the PDFs to postscript using GhostScript. The B/W version will print to all three of our postscript printers (HP4SIMX, QMS 2060, Xerox N40) and to our imagesetter. On the other hand, the color version will not print to any printer and the imagesetter rejects it. What I need to do is a test using just one graphic and make sure it is just the use of color text that is causing the problem. Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 17 03:05:18 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06542 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA03428 for pdftex-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:50:16 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA03425 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:50:14 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10uXsC-0002J9-00; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:50:12 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uXsC-00029k-00; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:50:12 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:46:43 +0000 (GMT) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > Now for the other gotcha's about things like reading bounding box files. We > knew how big the files were supposed to be. We had a database that was > based on how much the person had paid. So we really did not need, nor want so write that database info to a pseudo bounding box file... ... > So there is no need to read the bounding box of the eps, or even to check > the size of the tif/pgn/pdf. They had better be all the exact same size or > there will be some serious explaining to do to accounting. > > In cases like this, what does using something like epsf or the latex graphic > packages do for me over just using \special or \pdfimage? > I am fairly lost. you have to tell TeX *somehow* how much space to leave for the graphic which you import. Either you tell it, or it looks at the file size. If you want to hard-wire the info into the TeX file, and have it *not* read the graphic file, thats fine. The LaTeX graphics package supports that - and then you can use the same syntax for all your graphics includes... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 17 04:07:25 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07924 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA03712 for pdftex-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 05:58:49 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA03709 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 05:58:48 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10uYwZ-0006Md-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:58:47 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uYwZ-0006oB-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:58:47 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref 6.60 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:58:47 +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have updated http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip to version 6.60, and also placed it on CTAN. Unless someone comes up with real urgent problems, I do not propose to touch this again for a while (time to do some real work). I expect the next thing to happen will be Heiko Oberdiek's work on Unicode bookmarks. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 17 14:55:12 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25783 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA04949 for pdftex-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:41:15 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04946 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:41:14 -0400 Received: from default (erie16-16.comp.uakron.edu [130.101.6.16]) by uakron.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19785 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906172041.QAA19785@uakron.edu> From: "D. P. Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:37:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ANN: Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty with pdftex option Reply-to: story@uakron.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've just uploaded new versions of the two packages web.sty and exerquiz.sty to the AcroTeX Web Site. These packages have driver options for dvipsone (Y&Y, Inc.), for dvips AND for pdftex (new). The following packages are written for LaTeX users who want to put educational materials on the WWW using the Portable Document Format. Web.sty: Sets the page layout to more web friendly dimensions; introduces color section headings; redesigns the table of contents; defines a navigational tool bar, and other navigartional icons; etc. Exerquiz.sty: Makes it easy to create on-line exercises, interactive short quizzes, with or without solutions; and JavaScript graded quizzes. The two packages rely heavily on the hyperref package by Sebastian Rahtz. The pdftex option requires the most recent version of hyperref (version 6.60 or later). See the AcroTeX Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Web Site: http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Includes: e-Calculus, Algebra Review in Ten Lessons, Mathematics Games, Pdfmarks:Links & Forms, Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW, Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages for LaTeX, and much, much more. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 18 06:53:28 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18955 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA06696 for pdftex-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:33:04 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06693 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:33:01 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22573; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:32:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA09689; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:46:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:46:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906181246.OAA09689@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Subject: Re: pdftex-0.13e pretest In-Reply-To: <199906131223.OAA01827@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199906131223.OAA01827@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I include 4 photoshop images (made by distiller macintosh) in a document. With .13d -> success. With .13e -> unbelievably skewed modern art. Corretc when replaced by PNG. On the other hand, on a big doc (300 p) made with lots of fonts with huge Subrs dict (mminstances), With .13d -> 2 Mb With .13e -> 1.6 Mb Thierry Bouche, Grenoble. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 19 09:51:31 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27931 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 09:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08595 for pdftex-list; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:37:13 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (exim@www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08592 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:37:11 -0400 Received: from n241-179.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.241.179]) by www.inx.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10vNB7-0006db-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:37:09 +0200 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdfwebmac problem From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:36:59 +0200 Message-ID: <1dtnplo.iuk5py1y4cs20M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody use pdfwebmac.tex? It looks enormously useful, but it doesn't work. As soon as it gets to the index, it aborts with the message pdfTeX error (ext1): \pdfannotlink can be used in horizontal mode only. The problem seems to be the use of \pdfnote in line 217; removing this solves the problem, but of course it causes the index entries not to have hyperlinks. Any ideas how to solve this? (I'm using pdftex 0.13d and the pdfwebmac.tex from tetex 1.0, which unfortunately has no version information.) Oh, and (assuming someone gets this to work) shouldn't there be a file "texmf/pdftex/plain/misc/webmac.tex" that contains just \input pdfwebmac.tex , similar to texinfo? -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 20 16:05:36 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06170 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA10499 for pdftex-list; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:44:29 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10496 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:44:22 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id WAA17382; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:43:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:43:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199906202143.WAA17382@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: jeffmcarthur@home.com CC: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> (jeffmcarthur@home.com) Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > In cases like this, what does using something like epsf or the latex graphic > packages do for me over just using \special or \pdfimage? If nothing else, seamless switching between pdftex \pdfimage, and the special syntax of whatever dvi drivers you use. It's like saying if you know that section heads are going to be 14pt bold why use a \section macro, rather than just explicitly set the font. The answer is the same, document reuse is somewhat easier with the macros. If you know the document is not going to be reused, and you only ever want the printed version, once, then it doesn't matter what you put in the source file. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 20 22:34:28 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14473 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11165 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:19:42 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11162 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:19:38 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990621041936.CMRY9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:19:36 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:20:20 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <376eb7b1.3238803@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id AAA11163 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:46:43 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: >I am fairly lost. you have to tell TeX *somehow* how much space to >leave for the graphic which you import. Either you tell it, or it >looks at the file size. If you want to hard-wire the info into the TeX >file, and have it *not* read the graphic file, thats fine. The LaTeX >graphics package supports that - and then you can use the same syntax >for all your graphics includes... The composition file tells TeX the exact size and shape of the graphic. But why use LaTeX? The composition files are created and composed without anyone editing them. In some cases, for example the one that started this, the base macros are over eight years old. I am updating the macros for several reasons (long story). The macros were written with Plain in mind. They predate the LaTeX graphics.sty file by several years. Sure I could try and write a wrapper around the graphics.sty file. But that looks like a lot more work than just using \special or \pdfimage. The LaTeX graphics package has a TREMENDOUS amount of overhead. It tries to support every possible environment the user is likely to use. I am concerned about the macros working in one and only one environment: ours. Consider this: most of the books we set can run with the small version of TeX; the version that will run in a total of 300K of RAM. So why should we move to a larger and slower version of TeX to load all the overhead associated with using the LaTeX graphics package? Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 20 22:50:06 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14917 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11222 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:35:20 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11219 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:35:19 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990621043518.COCP9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:35:18 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: David Carlisle Cc: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:36:02 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <376fbd9d.4754963@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <199906202143.WAA17382@nag.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906202143.WAA17382@nag.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id AAA11220 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:43:25 +0100 (BST), you wrote: >> In cases like this, what does using something like epsf or the latex graphic >> packages do for me over just using \special or \pdfimage? > >If nothing else, seamless switching between pdftex \pdfimage, and the >special syntax of whatever dvi drivers you use. You make it sound easy to switch which dvi driver you use. It is for simple stuff. But if we are delivering pages electronically to the printer, ANY change has to be pre-approved by the printer and our client. We cannot upgrade to a newer version unless we have approval to do that. Our clients firmly believe, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". It generally takes months of negotiation to change the dvi driver. We have to send sample to the printer in both the old and new format detailing all the changes. >It's like saying if you know that section heads are going to be 14pt >bold why use a \section macro, rather than just explicitly set the font. >The answer is the same, document reuse is somewhat easier with the >macros. Document reuse? You do not understand what I do. The TeX files are never reused. The master is the database. The TeX composition files are generated only to produce the pages. One of the systems we created does exactly what you described. It explicitly sets the font and point size for each piece of text it typesets. The reason is the font and point size are stored in the database along with the rest of the data. The data entry system we developed allows the user to make some modifications to the style of the print. The data exported from the system for composition with TeX explicitly calls the font prior to setting each element. The macros know nothing about what fonts will be used. The user can choose the fonts just prior to printing. >If you know the document is not going to be reused, and you only ever >want the printed version, once, then it doesn't matter what you put >in the source file. Exactly. If I need to reprint the document, I regenerate the compostion file. In a multiuser environment, where there can be numerous users editing the database at the same time, there is no guarantee that if I print the document now, and then print the document again, I will get the same result. Someone could have made a change in the database that affected that document between the prints. Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 02:09:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19555 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:09:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA11719 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:57:21 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA11716 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:57:19 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10vyxA-0001h4-00; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:57:16 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10vyxA-000663-00; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:57:16 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14189.64918.606177.988123@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:53:42 +0000 (GMT) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <376eb7b1.3238803@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376eb7b1.3238803@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > Consider this: most of the books we set can run with the small version of > TeX; the version that will run in a total of 300K of RAM. So why should we > move to a larger and slower version of TeX to load all the overhead > associated with using the LaTeX graphics package? its been some years since I heard this sort of argument. who cares about small and large TeXes these days? If i was doing commercial work like you, i'd probably use a dynamic memory TeX anyway. I would certainly put it last on my list of problems; if loading LaTeX saved me any maintenance problems, I'd do it like a shot. But in your circumstances, your policies sound right.... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 03:58:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21924 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA12033 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:33:09 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA12030 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:32:53 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id KAA15812; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:29:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:29:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199906210929.KAA15812@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: jeffmcarthur@home.com CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <376fbd9d.4754963@mail> (jeffmcarthur@home.com) Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <199906202143.WAA17382@nag.co.uk> <376fbd9d.4754963@mail> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Document reuse? You do not understand what I do Actually I had a suspicion that that's what you did, which is why I said >If you know the document is not going to be reused, .... There are big advantages in maintaining the document source in some usable format. In your case that format is not TeX but some source database. In this case (similarly as in the case where your source is sgml and you use the tex backend of a dsssl system) There is not a lot to be gained from using many of the features of tex macro packages aimed at providing author level functionality. There are other features, such as managing encodings, fonts etc, that may or may not be useful, depending on exactly what you are doing. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 05:20:54 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23583 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA12332 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:56:34 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA12329 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:56:30 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13173; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:56:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14080; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:56:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906211056.MAA14080@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Problems with included pdf images In-Reply-To: <199906080929.LAA13981@arnljot.lin.foa.se> from =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Christian_J=F6nsson_FOA_72?= at "Jun 8, 99 11:29:12 am" To: chj@lin.foa.se (Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= FOA 72) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:56:23 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Hello all. > > I have a specific problem that I would like to receive comments on. > Basically, it's about pdflatex and incuded graphics and fonts in the > included graphics pdf file. Here goes: > > First, I use Christophe BERNARD's suggestion on how to include psfraged > graphics into pdflatex documents. > > > On April 12, 1999, bernard@cmapx.polytechnique.fr said: > > The only way I have found to process eps files using psfrag with > > pdflatex is using a wrapper latex/eps file > > > Suppose you want to change occurences of {t} to {$\theta$} in > > figure.eps > > > 1- create a plain latex file > > > [file w-figure.tex] > > > \documentclass{article} \usepackage{graphicx,psfrag} \pagestyle{empty} > > \begin{document} \begin{center} > > \psfrag{t}{$\theta$} > > \includegraphics{figure.eps} \end{center} \end{document} > > > 2 - Process this file with latex and with dvips. For dvips, you should > > use the following options: > > > dvips w-figure -E -Pcmz -o w-figure.eps > > > 3 - For some reason psfrag messes up the bounding box estimation made > > by dvips, so usually you have to change the left limit of the bounding > > box in the w-figure.eps file > > > %%BoundingBox: 40 459 465 667 > > ^^ > > you have to change this > > > You have to change the first number so that it sums up with the third > > one to 594 > > > In my case, 40 has to be replaced with 594-465 ñ29. > > > so the bounding box line is changed to > > > %%BoundingBox: 129 459 465 667 > > > After this, you end up with a correct standalone eps file you can just > > convert with epstopdf, and use with pdflatex. > > However, this does not seem to work... > > Attached are my test files. A figure.eps file, a w-figure.tex file, a > test-doc.tex file. So I run latex on the file w-figure.tex and get a dvi > file. Then I run dvips -E -Pcmz to generate a .eps file with the filtered > (psfraged) variant of figure.eps. Then, as Bernard point out, dvips does > not generate ``good'' bounding boxes so I run epstool -b -i to genarate a > .epsi file that's got a bitmap of it included in the document and based on > the bitmap has a ``good'' bounding box. Then I run epstopdf on the .epsi > file to generate a pdf file of the filtered figure.eps... Then, at last, I > run pdflatex on test-doc.tex and get a test-doc.pdf. Now, here's the > problem, using acroread I can view the file, and the cmr math glyph \beta > is displayed on screen, but it's not printed... The w-figure.pdf is > displayed on screen and the \beta is printed, so I guess there's nothing > wrong with that pdf file. The problem lies in the domain of pdflatex > including pdf images with cmr fonts in them, at least that's my wild > guess... > > Attached are the .pdf files too. BTW, I'm on a Red Hat Linux 6.0/Intel > system running tetex-19990602 with pdftex 0.13d. have you tried to print the file from ghostscript? viewing your file (test-doc.pdf) by ghostscript is OK, however printing to PS >From AcroReader causes that the $\beta$ is missing. It's hard to say whether it's a problem of pdftex or AcroReader. BTW the font in the pdf image is Type3 (bitmap font) and not Type1 font (epstopdf converts all fonts to bitmap). Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 14 02:36:28 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14800 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA19004 for pdftex-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:17:54 -0400 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAB19001 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:17:52 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.22.4]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6ECB; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:16:02 +0200 Message-ID: <3762ECD4.7CC8EE4C@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:27:16 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Timothy Murphy Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:24:08AM +0000, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > so far as I know, Han The Thanh has no plans to incorporate a PS > > interpreter into pdfTeX. I may be wrong > > How do the other lot do it, as a matter of interest? I convert the epses to pdf using distiller. Works ok. And, more and more graphic programs are producing pdf directly. So, in my opinion there is o need to incorporate a ps interpreter in pdftex. (Which would make it a rather instable and large and more complicated program to set up too). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 15 10:44:24 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03318 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA26239 for pdftex-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:13:10 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26236 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:13:08 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.135]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3764; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:12:30 +0200 Message-ID: <37666DFA.363D0AD@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:15:06 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett Subject: Re: Simple newbie question, epsfig in pdflatex. References: <14174.36857.165017.418596@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14175.37448.129452.230611@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990612155656.F9829@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <3762ECD4.7CC8EE4C@wxs.nl> <37665AF7.D212AFA9@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > It takes me a little time to convert an eps to pdf using distiller, > since the paper size has to be adjusted to match the size of the > bounding box. Or is there some way to get this done automatically? Distiller 4 does this automatically for eps (an option). > I agree that converting epses to pdf is no great problem. I don't > know much about graphics programs that can produce pdf directly, > but I suspect that, at present, going via eps is easier. > e.g., some of my colleagues use Mathematica to output eps pictures > (of graphs in 3 dimensions, for example). Mathematica can also > output pdf, but it's not "encapsulated"; so going via eps is > more convenient. It depends what you mean with encapsulated. In principle all pdf is encapsulated, and when the media and crop boxes are set, inclusion is no problem. It is for instance no problem to include an pdftex pdf file into another one. In eps, many graphic programs put a lot of preamble stuff in there (saves them calculations). In pdf, the graphics program must do most of the work itself and only flush paths and fonts. When mathematica produces pdf, I see no reason why it cannot be included. What exactly are your problems? BBox? > Lots of us use pstricks for very simple diagrams to be included > in TeX documents. To convert such a document for use with pdftex is > a somewhat painful process, since the diagrams have to be done > separately, converted from eps to pdf, and then included back in the > original document. I guess that 90% of this problem would be > solved by a few macros using \pdfliteral and the graphics > support that pdf has. I wish I had time to pursue this. I fear you're wrong. PStricks depends on the PS interpreter to do quite some the calculations. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 10:06:04 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01229 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13240 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:48:20 -0400 Received: from uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13237 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:48:19 -0400 Received: from story.mathsci-tn.uakron.edu (story.mathsci-tn.uakron.edu [130.101.87.33]) by uakron.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA31729 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906211548.LAA31729@uakron.edu> From: "D.P.Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:48:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: ANN: Web.sty and Exerquiz.sty Packages with pdftex option Reply-to: story@uakron.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Second and last notice: I've uploaded new versions of the two packages web.sty and exerquiz.sty to the AcroTeX Web Site. These packages have driver options for dvipsone (Y&Y, Inc.), for dvips AND for pdftex (new). The following packages are written for LaTeX users who want to put educational materials on the WWW using the Portable Document Format. Web.sty: Sets the page layout to more web friendly dimensions; introduces color section headings; redesigns the table of contents; defines a navigational tool bar, and other navigartional icons; etc. Exerquiz.sty: Makes it easy to create on-line exercises, interactive short quizzes, with or without solutions; and JavaScript graded quizzes. The two packages rely heavily on the hyperref package by Sebastian Rahtz. The pdftex option requires the most recent version of hyperref (version 6.60 or later). I will submit these packages to CTAN if found worthwhile and bug free. dps Dr. D. P. Story dpstory@uakron.edu http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/ Dept of Mathematics and Computer Science / University of Akron / Akron, Ohio 44325 AcroTeX Site Overview:http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/acrotex.html Site Highlights: e-Calculus; Algebra Review in Ten Lessons; Mathematical Games; Pdfmarks:Links and Forms; Using LaTeX to Create Quality PDF Documents for the WWW and much, much more. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 10:49:41 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02637 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA13343 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:17:53 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13340 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:17:47 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24945 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA07025 for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906211617.SAA07025@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.13 pretest updated To: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:50 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've updated pdftex-0.13e pretest at http://www.fi.muni.cz/~thanh/tmp. If no serious bugs are found I will release it during in this week. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 11:53:44 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04820 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA13871 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:42:33 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13868 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:42:31 -0400 Received: from Y-9W4ZXVHWLQKOV (p38.tc11.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.77.167]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28355; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:41:34 -0400 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com, Sebastian Rahtz From: Y&Y Support Line Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <376eb7b1.3238803@mail> References: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 04:20 AM 6/21/99 +0000, you wrote: Consider this: most of the books we set can run with the small version of TeX; the version that will run in a total of 300K of RAM. So why should we move to a larger and slower version of TeX to load all the overhead associated with using the LaTeX graphics package? Are you serious? These days RAM is a low cost commodity (*), and machines are fast (**). And cheaper than most people's time fiddling with low-level details. (*) I haven't seen a machine recently that doesn't have way more than TeX would normally use even without dynamic memory allocation (which makes the footprint *smaller* on most jobs since it doesn't need the huge arrays for normal jobs). (**) The 500 page TeX-book in 11 seconds on an old (2-3 year) machine. Regards. mailto:support@YandY.com http://www.YandY.com (Y) From owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Mon Jun 21 12:04:50 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05156 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:04:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10923; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:56:17 -0500 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:53:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10704; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:53:40 -0500 X-Sender: imarkovi@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:48:19 +0100 To: DBRICHTA@aol.com, pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: "Ivan E. Markovic" Subject: Re: [PDF] Zapf Dingbats not printing Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:listowner@pdfzone.com The PDF list is sponsored by PDFzone.COM | http://www.pdfzone.com/ __________________________________________________________________ Don, Interesting. What is happening when you print to a Non-PostScript printer is that Acrobat does all the rendering (through QuickDraw) for you. In fact it is probably little known that if you have Distiller and Acrobat you don't really need a PostScript printer! It is a simple way to get around printing any files that have included images. Anyway back to the problem, mapping should not be an issue. The Encoding is stored in the PDF file. To save time you can either send me the PDF file or the PS file, I would suggest sending me both files. I can open the PDF file and look through the font and the associated encodings. I v a n ... Director of IT VL Technologies At 11:56 AM -0400 6/21/99, DBRICHTA@aol.com wrote: >ivan.markovic@vltec.com writes: > >> That is an interesting problem. Do try using Acrobat 3.01, see if that >> works for you > >Acrobat 3.01 is no better -- and a little worse. The arrow character (which, >by the way, is used as a bullet in the document) does not appear on screen. >The scissors character appears. Neither print. > >>I strongly suggest the following plan of action: > >>Create a single page pdf file with JUST the Zapf Dingbats font >>in it and see if that prints. > >When I create a PDF with the Zapf Dingbats font, everything works fine. > >>Have you tried different printers? If a friend has a printer then send them >>the file to see if it prints on their printer (just out of interest exactly >>WHAT printer are you using? Is it true PostScript?). > >We're getting warm. When I print to my Epson1520 (non-Postscript), the file >is perfect. So there's a conflct either with my printer (an HP 5MP--true >Adobe Postscript) or with the printer driver. > >My feeling is this is a problem with the cross-platfrom conversion. I sense >the Mac is mapping these Zapf characters to someplace that my PC doesn't see >them. We are talking about only two characters here: > >Any other ideas? > >Don Brichta >Anadon Communications >Sharon, Mass. >dbrichta@aol.com Ivan Markovic VLTEC Director of Information Technology Direct: 01 2402544 Mobile: 087 2939256 Fax: 01 2402501 _ ____________* FREE DEMO - BETA JAVA VIEWER * _____________ <- Available NOW for a limited time: Adobe Acrobat Viewer for Java -> <- Follow the link at PDFzone.COM: http://www.pdfzone.com/ -> ___________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 12:20:41 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05670 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14125 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:10:06 -0400 Received: from hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca [207.107.250.65]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14122 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:10:04 -0400 Received: from sprint.ca (spc-isp-mtl-58-4-38.sprint.ca [149.99.137.38]) by hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23313; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:06:10 -0500 From: Mathieu Chouinard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org, comp.text.tex@sprint.ca Subject: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm currently try to modify Metafont so it can produce Postcript type 1 fonts. The problem is I don't know how to make a change file. Mathieu Chouinard -- The Windows 2000 name was obviously created over a glass of root beer in the compagny cafeteria by a couple of executives looking for a way out of the Windows NT delays. -- John C. Dvorak From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 12:25:23 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05837 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14173 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:15:04 -0400 Received: from hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca [207.107.250.65]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14169 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:15:02 -0400 Received: from sprint.ca (spc-isp-mtl-58-4-38.sprint.ca [149.99.137.38]) by hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08418 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <376E8E4C.E4E770A5@sprint.ca> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:11:08 -0500 From: Mathieu Chouinard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm currently trying to modify Metafont to produce Postcript type 1 fonts, but I don't know how to make a change file for WEB. If everything work correctly a test version maybe ready for august. Mathieu -- The Windows 2000 name was obviously created over a glass of root beer in the compagny cafeteria by a couple of executives looking for a way out of the Windows NT delays. -- John C. Dvorak From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 13:58:55 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08587 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:58:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA14749 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:51:25 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14746 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:51:22 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09026; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:51:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16102; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:51:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906211951.VAA16102@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdfwebmac problem In-Reply-To: <1dtnplo.iuk5py1y4cs20M@stk.berlin.snafu.de> from Stefan Haller at "Jun 19, 99 05:36:59 pm" To: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:51:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody use pdfwebmac.tex? It looks enormously useful, but it > doesn't work. As soon as it gets to the index, it aborts with the > message > > pdfTeX error (ext1): \pdfannotlink can be used in horizontal mode only. > > The problem seems to be the use of \pdfnote in line 217; removing this > solves the problem, but of course it causes the index entries not to > have hyperlinks. > > Any ideas how to solve this? > > (I'm using pdftex 0.13d and the pdfwebmac.tex from tetex 1.0, which > unfortunately has no version information.) you can enclose the \pdfannotlink...\pdfendlink into a hbox to solve it. I will have to review the syntax of \pdfannotlink > > > Oh, and (assuming someone gets this to work) shouldn't there be a file > "texmf/pdftex/plain/misc/webmac.tex" that contains just > > \input pdfwebmac.tex > > , similar to texinfo? ok, will be added in next release. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 16:29:23 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13319 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA15249 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:20:10 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15246 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:20:09 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10wCQA-0006q1-00; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:20:06 +0100 Received: from max20.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.20] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wCQ9-0002KU-00; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:20:06 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:39:49 +0100 (BST) To: mchouinard@sprint.ca Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-Reply-To: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mathieu Chouinard writes: > I'm currently try to modify Metafont so it can produce > Postcript type 1 fonts. The problem is I don't know how to > make a change file. > believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 fonts, someone else would tidy it up and make a change file... just hack it. but be warned. the history of trying to do this goes back to 1985 to my personal knowledge, without great success Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Jun 21 19:05:38 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17432 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:05:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA16552 for pdftex-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:58:18 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16549 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:58:16 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Jun 99 01:58:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:58:15 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Message-ID: <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from Sebastian Rahtz on Mon, Jun 21, 1999 at 08:39:49PM +0100 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jun 21, 1999 at 08:39:49PM +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 fonts, someone > else would tidy it up and make a change file... just hack it. Doesn't metapost do this reasonably well, at least for one glyph at a time? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 00:39:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25726 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA17334 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:26:02 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17331 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:26:00 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03998; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:25:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCP0BNY6JE001701@wkap.nl>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:25:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:26:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-reply-to: <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy writes: Timothy> On Mon, Jun 21, 1999 at 08:39:49PM +0100, Sebastian Rahtz Timothy> wrote: >> believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 fonts, >> someone else would tidy it up and make a change file... just >> hack it. Timothy> Doesn't metapost do this reasonably well, at least for Timothy> one glyph at a time? No. :-( Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 01:06:38 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26301 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA17446 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:48:08 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17443 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:48:06 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04645; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:48:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCP1326PMI001701@wkap.nl>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:48:03 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:48:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-reply-to: <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> To: sebastian.rahtz@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk Cc: mchouinard@sprint.ca, pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14191.19951.733886.256526@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Rahtz writes: Sebastian> Mathieu Chouinard writes: >> I'm currently try to modify Metafont so it can produce >> Postcript type 1 fonts. The problem is I don't know how to >> make a change file. >> Sebastian> believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 Sebastian> fonts, someone else would tidy it up and make a change Sebastian> file... just hack it. Agree with Sebastian. I'd be perfectly happy to convert your stuff to a 'real' change file or even to a completely different language if that is what it takes. Sebastian> but be warned. the history of trying to do this goes Sebastian> back to 1985 to my personal knowledge, without great Sebastian> success Sebastian Well, there are some attempts that sort of work. But these are not actually doing math, it's just mf+limn (a bitmap tracer) into one executable. Unfortunately, this approach gives a rather poor result. The only program I know of that helps with existing metafont code is MetaFog by Kinch; which is a commercial program. (Even if you can get mf2ps to work, it will output Type3 fonts). Another approach (the TOIL program) _does_ output clean Type1 files complete with hinting, but it consists largely of not-too-natural- looking MP macros that have to be used, so it will not process any of the legacy fonts already out there. Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 01:07:43 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26337 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA17453 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:51:27 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17450 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:51:26 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990622065125.LLTD9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:51:25 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Y&Y Support Line Cc: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:52:10 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <376f3186.196266@mail> References: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id CAA17451 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:41:34 -0400, you wrote: >(*) I haven't seen a machine recently that doesn't have way more than TeX would >normally use even without dynamic memory allocation (which makes the footprint >*smaller* on most jobs since it doesn't need the huge arrays for normal jobs). > >(**) The 500 page TeX-book in 11 seconds on an old (2-3 year) machine. This brings up an interesting question then. If there is no need to be worried about ram, and processing speed is quite high, then why are tools like ProTeX used to strip out the comments out of all the LaTeX files? Wouldn't it make more sence to only distribute fully commented files, and not ones that have most of the comments stripped out of them? Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 01:13:59 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26455 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA17618 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:07:17 -0400 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA17615 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:07:15 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.72]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1075; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:06:38 +0200 Message-ID: <376F328F.E3E4CAEF@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:51:59 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: mchouinard@sprint.ca, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Mathieu Chouinard writes: > > I'm currently try to modify Metafont so it can produce > > Postcript type 1 fonts. The problem is I don't know how to > > make a change file. > > > believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 fonts, someone > else would tidy it up and make a change file... just hack it. > > but be warned. the history of trying to do this goes back to 1985 to > my personal knowledge, without great success > Sebastian The famous polish postscript gurus are doing it right now! They demonstrated it at Bachotek, sort of awk postprocessor. Its about the way the pgc thing works (in pdftex). The problem is in the definitions and the paths (glyphs must be one path), and this problem should mostly be solved in the definitions of fonts to prevent nasty fill/unfill problems. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 01:48:00 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27254 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA17614 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:06:57 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA17611 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:06:54 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.72]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA550E; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:05:20 +0200 Message-ID: <376EB9B3.3AC84ED9@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:16:19 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Y&Y Support Line CC: jeffmcarthur@home.com, Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 References: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Y&Y Support Line wrote: > (**) The 500 page TeX-book in 11 seconds on an old (2-3 year) machine. Yes, but running the tex book is like running 'good old times machine code' and the tex book is coded in a sort of tex assembler language -) which makes much sense in situations where one knows in advance what will take place and is needed. Nevertheless, I occassionally process it to get back the feeling of speed! (Just like I reread this nice book occasionally to find new things.) I did a lot of timing and optimizing when writing macros and I know a few tricks to speed up things (\letting versus \grouping), but an example of a slow downer is the \copy primitive, and that one tends to be used rather often in advanced macros/typesetting. Also, a bit more advanced font mechanism will slow down things. And, of course any decent user interface adds a huge amount of run time, mainly due to list processing and argument transfer (a real slow downer). BTW, in the last ntg maps there is an article on some speed issues in tex/etex. 'Precompiling' tex code (e.g. all the context code) for instance can speed up a macro package like context (and probably also latex) by 5-10% (I have a perl script for that purpose) and using etex can add another 5% (depending on what/where used). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 02:55:15 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28663 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA18389 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:16:33 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA18386 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:16:29 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10wLjI-0007cI-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:16:28 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wLjI-0003YD-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:16:28 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14191.21388.999130.985281@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:12:44 +0000 (GMT) To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-Reply-To: <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > On Mon, Jun 21, 1999 at 08:39:49PM +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 fonts, someone > > else would tidy it up and make a change file... just hack it. > > Doesn't metapost do this reasonably well, > at least for one glyph at a time? thats a long way from a production systems... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 02:57:10 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28712 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA18491 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:21:31 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA18487 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:21:29 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10wLo8-0007iU-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:21:28 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wLo7-0005Ji-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:21:28 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14191.21688.173891.75579@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:17:44 +0000 (GMT) To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 In-Reply-To: <376f3186.196266@mail> References: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> <376f3186.196266@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > > This brings up an interesting question then. If there is no need to be > worried about ram, and processing speed is quite high, then why are tools > like ProTeX used to strip out the comments out of all the LaTeX files? > what is ProTeX? its certainly not used to strip the base LaTeX files.... > Wouldn't it make more sence to only distribute fully commented files, and > not ones that have most of the comments stripped out of them? the docstrip system has evolved into a multiple file packing mechanism as well as a comment stripper these days. so this cant work sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 02:58:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28762 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA18565 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:25:07 -0400 Received: from rufus.fe.up.pt (morgana.fe.up.pt [193.136.30.190]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA18562 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:25:05 -0400 Received: from fe.up.pt (villate@sputnik.fe.up.pt [193.137.28.147]) by rufus.fe.up.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21262; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:23:19 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <376F48A7.512FB2C1@fe.up.pt> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:26:15 +0100 From: "Jaime E. Villate" Organization: Faculdade de Engenharia, Porto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mathieu Chouinard CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font References: <376E8E4C.E4E770A5@sprint.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Mathieu Chouinard wrote: > I'm currently trying to modify Metafont to produce Postcript type 1 > fonts, ... That would be very helpful. The computer modern fonts are very nice and rich on math glyphs but when printed they look too light. This can be solved in type 3 by adjusting the metafont mode to get darker characters; I did that with a book I wrote, but when I had to send a postscript file to the publisher, I had to use the type 1 fonts that come with tetex, and the result was not as good as I expected. It would be nice to be able to adjust the metafont parameters and obtain a type 1 font. The other problem with the cm-type1 fonts currently available is the lack of a cork-encoded version; that could be solved if you succeed with your project (S. Rahtz will tell me to buy the fonts from Y&Y, but I am shamelessly addicted to free software). Please, go on with your project and don't give up. Jaime Villate From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 03:06:48 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28894 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA18710 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:37:17 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA18707 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:37:15 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.141.3]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA467F; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:36:42 +0200 Message-ID: <376F3F73.90033B43@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:46:59 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com CC: Y&Y Support Line , Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 References: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> <376f3186.196266@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > This brings up an interesting question then. If there is no need to be > worried about ram, and processing speed is quite high, then why are tools > like ProTeX used to strip out the comments out of all the LaTeX files? > > Wouldn't it make more sence to only distribute fully commented files, and > not ones that have most of the comments stripped out of them? Just for the record. Although I have a stripper, I never distribute context stripped, and distribute full documented files (for as far as documentation is finished). Actually, the main reason for the files growing in size is that documentation is added. Taco once suggested to quit using formats at all and simply load the whole thing every time. I think that in a few years this indeed makes sense and formats will no longer be needed. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 03:35:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29520 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA18927 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:08:11 -0400 Received: from fobos.ulpgc.es (fobos.ulpgc.es [193.145.132.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA18888 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:03:02 -0400 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es [193.145.140.9]) by fobos.ulpgc.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08647 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:02:19 +0100 Received: from NEUMANN/SpoolDir by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44); 22 Jun 99 10:02:28 + 00 Received: from SpoolDir by NEUMANN (Mercury 1.44); 22 Jun 99 10:02:19 + 00 Received: from neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (193.145.141.73) by neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 22 Jun 99 10:02:18 + 00 Message-ID: <376F52CA.E9BF9352@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:09:30 +0100 From: "Sean C. McCarthy" <6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: \Pages creation. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I would like to know if there is a way for pdfTeX to create all the pages objects in the same dictionary. I mean instead of getting a lof of parents and kids in the pages, just have a parent (and all the pages will be kids of it. I need it to shuffle pages. The code is an example of what pdfTeX creates... 100 0 obj << /Type /Pages /Count 6 /Parent 213 0 R /Kids [97 0 R 102 0 R 113 0 R 119 0 R 123 0 R 129 0 R] >> endobj 146 0 obj << /Type /Pages /Count 1 /Parent 213 0 R /Kids [142 0 R] >> endobj 213 0 obj << /Type /Pages /Count 19 /Kids [7 0 R 52 0 R 100 0 R 146 0 R] >> endobj 214 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 213 0 R >> endobj By the way I'm still using 0.12r because I can't get 0.13e to work. Thanks in advance. Sean C. McCarthy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 05:28:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01977 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA20059 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:53:42 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA20056 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:53:36 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00767; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:53:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18702; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:53:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906221053.MAA18702@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: \Pages creation. In-Reply-To: <376F52CA.E9BF9352@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es> from "Sean C. McCarthy" at "Jun 22, 99 10:09:30 am" To: 6638t@neumann.teleco.ulpgc.es (Sean C. McCarthy) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:53:49 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I would like to know if there is a way for pdfTeX to create all the > pages objects in the same dictionary. I mean instead of getting a lof of > parents and kids in the pages, just have a parent (and all the pages > will be kids of it. I need it to shuffle pages. The code is an example > of what pdfTeX creates... > > 100 0 obj << > /Type /Pages > /Count 6 > /Parent 213 0 R > /Kids [97 0 R 102 0 R 113 0 R 119 0 R 123 0 R 129 0 R] > >> endobj > 146 0 obj << > /Type /Pages > /Count 1 > /Parent 213 0 R > /Kids [142 0 R] > >> endobj > 213 0 obj << > /Type /Pages > /Count 19 > /Kids [7 0 R 52 0 R 100 0 R 146 0 R] > >> endobj > 214 0 obj << > /Type /Catalog > /Pages 213 0 R > >> endobj > > By the way I'm still using 0.12r because I can't get 0.13e to work. > Thanks in advance. it's not hard to do, but you should be able to compile pdftex from sources. Just change the following line in pdftex.ch: @d pages_tree_kids_max == 6 {max number of kids of Pages tree node} and rebuild pdftex. The constant 6 is recommended by pdf spec, however you can set it to larger value. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 05:59:13 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02653 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA20202 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:44:48 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20198 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:44:46 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p31.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.78.160]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26394; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990622074404.0170e6b8@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:45:14 -0400 To: Hans Hagen , jeffmcarthur@home.com From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Cc: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <376F3F73.90033B43@wxs.nl> References: <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> <376f3186.196266@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 09:46 AM 6/22/99 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: >Just for the record. Although I have a stripper, I never distribute >context stripped, and distribute full documented files (for as far as >documentation is finished). Actually, the main reason for the files >growing in size is that documentation is added. Taco once suggested to >quit using formats at all and simply load the whole thing every time. I >think that in a few years this indeed makes sense and formats will no >longer be needed. That time may be here already. And it has tremendous advantages in terms of user convenience. For example, no need to mess with creating new format files just because you need different hyphenation patterns... -- Y&Y, Inc. mailto:support@YandY.com http://www.YandY.com (M) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 06:19:29 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03098 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA20181 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:39:51 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20178 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:39:49 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p31.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.78.160]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26741; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990622073553.01713290@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:40:14 -0400 To: "Sebastian Rahtz" , mchouinard@sprint.ca From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 08:39 PM 6/21/99 +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >Mathieu Chouinard writes: > > I'm currently try to modify Metafont so it can produce > > Postcript type 1 fonts. The problem is I don't know how to > > make a change file. > > >believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 fonts, someone >else would tidy it up and make a change file... just hack it. > >but be warned. the history of trying to do this goes back to 1985 to >my personal knowledge, without great success >Sebastian (1) With the notable exception of Zapf's Euler fonts, which were autoconverted by Y&Y. As it says at http://www.ams.org/index/tex/type1-cm-fonts.html "The outlines for the AMS Euler fonts were derived algorithmically from METAFONT code using tools developed by Y&Y" This was relatively easy because the Euler fonts use METAFONT's alternate "outline and fill" mode instead of the more common "drag pen" model. (The only problems were in dealing with some of Knuth's modifications). (2) After you create the Type 1 outlines you are only halfway done. For the fonts to be really useful they need to be "hinted". Regards, Berthold. -- Y&Y, Inc. mailto:support@YandY.com http://www.YandY.com (M) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 06:26:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03267 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA20292 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:57:43 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20289 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:57:39 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10018 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:57:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA10307; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:11:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:11:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906221211.OAA10307@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdfTeX liste Subject: Acrobat & multiply included fonts X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm now pretty sure that there is a bug in many acrobat reader incarnations related to multiply included fonts. Sometimes (rather often under solaris/NCD Xterm, but also when using acroread as a netscape plugin) you get an error message similar to "unable to extract the embedded font 'AEDEAC+MathematicalPi-One'. Some characters may not display or print correctly." I'm now convinced that this message always concerns fonts that have multiple subset (or variants) downloaded with different random prefix (AEDEAC+) but same base font name (MathematicalPi-One). Taco also reported a similar problem when two subsets of the same font were included in the same doc, then acroread claiming it couldn't find some chars (beacause they were in the second subset, and acroread looked for them in the first one). It seems that acrobat partly ignores the prefix, and partly takes it into consideration. The files are perfectly displayed by gs, of course. Since this bug gracefully survived from version 3 to 4, does anyone know a workaround, or a way to pressure adobe to fix it? Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 07:00:04 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03992 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA20581 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:35:50 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20577 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:35:48 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FDQ00K01AZLW5@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FDQ00I9HAZK11@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:35:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Acrobat & multiply included fonts In-reply-to: <199906221211.OAA10307@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> To: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Thierry, I had problem's with embedded fonts. I posted to comp.text.pdf and Taco Hoekwater reported back to me that this was also a problem for him. Our problem was that *one* font could not be extracted (no multiply embedded subsets in this file). Reader 3 worked fine on the file, Reader 4.0 did not. We have an Adobe support contract here at the AMS, so I reported this. When I know more about it, I'll report back to the list. My problem was with Distiller generated PDF, but the PDF file is fine. And pdftex has been generating valid PDF for quite some time... In the meantime, I wonder if using exchnage 3.0 to optimize the file would merge the two font subsets? Worth a shot... Regards, Tom On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Thierry Bouche wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:11:44 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Thierry Bouche > To: pdfTeX liste > Subject: Acrobat & multiply included fonts > > Hi, > > I'm now pretty sure that there is a bug in many acrobat reader > incarnations related to multiply included fonts. > > Sometimes (rather often under solaris/NCD Xterm, but also when using > acroread as a netscape plugin) you get an error message similar to > "unable to extract the embedded font 'AEDEAC+MathematicalPi-One'. Some > characters may not display or print correctly." > > I'm now convinced that this message always concerns fonts that have > multiple subset (or variants) downloaded with different random prefix > (AEDEAC+) but same base font name (MathematicalPi-One). Taco also > reported a similar problem when two subsets of the same font were > included in the same doc, then acroread claiming it couldn't find some > chars (beacause they were in the second subset, and acroread looked > for them in the first one). It seems that acrobat partly ignores the > prefix, and partly takes it into consideration. The files are > perfectly displayed by gs, of course. > > Since this bug gracefully survived from version 3 to 4, does anyone > know a workaround, or a way to pressure adobe to fix it? > > Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr > http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/pdfTeX > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 08:19:54 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06260 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21433 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:02:53 -0400 Received: from hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca [207.107.250.65]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21430 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:02:50 -0400 Received: from sprint.ca (spc-isp-mtl-58-4-650.sprint.ca [149.99.139.143]) by hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13308 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <376FA4AB.106E18FF@sprint.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:58:51 -0500 From: Mathieu Chouinard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.text.tex To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Metafont to Type 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Last year I found cm2tt, and after some modification to METAFONT, I was able to get some result but de program crash with ec fonts. It will probably this way I will take, i.e a postprocessor for the log file. Mathieu -- The Windows 2000 name was obviously created over a glass of root beer in the compagny cafeteria by a couple of executives looking for a way out of the Windows NT delays. -- John C. Dvorak From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 09:32:19 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08536 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21652 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:36:54 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21649 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:36:53 -0400 Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 22 Jun 99 15:36:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:36:52 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: Taco Hoekwater Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Message-ID: <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl>; from Taco Hoekwater on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 08:26:42AM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 08:26:42AM +0000, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > >> believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 fonts, > >> someone else would tidy it up and make a change file... just > >> hack it. > > Timothy> Doesn't metapost do this reasonably well, at least for > Timothy> one glyph at a time? > > No. :-( It produces a PostScript description of the glyph. I would have thought it would be 100 times easier to start from this than to modify Metafont directly, as was suggested. In fact the latter would be more-or-less repeating what Metapost already does. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 09:32:27 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08545 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21725 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:14 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21722 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:13 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13391; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:54:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCPI2RN0PM0016LE@wkap.nl>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:54:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:54:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-reply-to: <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14191.49119.390431.503487@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy writes: Timothy> On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 08:26:42AM +0000, Taco Hoekwater Timothy> wrote: >> >> believe me, if you reliably made Metafont produce Type1 >> fonts, >> someone else would tidy it up and make a change >> file... just >> hack it. >> Timothy> Doesn't metapost do this reasonably well, at least for Timothy> one glyph at a time? >> No. :-( Timothy> It produces a PostScript description of the glyph. I The problem lies in the fact that PostScript != Type 1. Type 1 character descriptions consist of only one path, that is not allowed to intersect itself (amongst other things). MP output tends to produce quite a number of intersecting paths, of which some are drawn and some are stroked. The *real* hard work has yet to be done: finding the intersectionpoints of the various pieces and molding that into one. It *is* relatively easy to generate a 'drawn' Type 3 font from MP output (this is what pdftex tries to do before including the pk bitmap), but a Type 3 font is not at all the same as Type 1. Timothy> would have thought it would be 100 times easier to start Timothy> from this than to modify Metafont directly, as was Timothy> suggested. In fact the latter would be more-or-less Timothy> repeating what Metapost already does. It might be a little easier to start with metapost itself instead of starting with metafont, but I doubt that. Whereas metafont has quite a lot of code to handle paths (for intersectionpoint operations), metapost is largely pass-through (also keep in mind that a lot of existing MF code does not work with mpost because it uses features that are not implemented in Metapost). Greetings, Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 09:37:56 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08727 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21764 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:05:40 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21761 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:05:38 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p18.tc9.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.77.19]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13111; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990622105733.016f14b0@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:03:39 -0400 To: Thierry Bouche , pdfTeX liste From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Acrobat & multiply included fonts In-Reply-To: <199906221211.OAA10307@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 02:11 PM 6/22/99 +0200, Thierry Bouche wrote: >I'm now pretty sure that there is a bug in many acrobat reader >incarnations related to multiply included fonts. > >Sometimes (rather often under solaris/NCD Xterm, but also when using >acroread as a netscape plugin) you get an error message similar to >"unable to extract the embedded font 'AEDEAC+MathematicalPi-One'. Some >characters may not display or print correctly." > >I'm now convinced that this message always concerns fonts that have >multiple subset (or variants) downloaded with different random prefix >(AEDEAC+) but same base font name (MathematicalPi-One). Can you put up a sample somewhere to test? >Taco also reported a similar problem when two subsets of the same font were >included in the same doc, then acroread claiming it couldn't find some >chars (beacause they were in the second subset, and acroread looked >for them in the first one). It seems that acrobat partly ignores the >prefix, and partly takes it into consideration. The files are >perfectly displayed by gs, of course. How are these files generated? If it is DVIPS, then the suspicion is there, since DVIPS inserts subsetted fonts nowadays, and Distiller assumes these are complete fonts. Unfortunately DVIPS uses the same font name for the modified fonts. So various versions with different subsets (and perhaps different encodings and other properties) can end up with the same name. The recommendation is *not* to include fonts via DVIPS (i.e. remove the Since this bug gracefully survived from version 3 to 4, does anyone >know a workaround, or a way to pressure adobe to fix it? (1) Post noisily on comp.text.pdf (2) Put up an example file that demonstrates that people can download (3) send email to acrobugs@adobe.com (possible a black hole or at least a brown dwarf). Berthold. -- Berthold K.P. Horn bkph@YandY.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 09:44:13 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08893 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21784 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:09:08 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21781 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:09:04 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18388; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:08:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <376FA86A.4AA79479@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:14:50 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jaime E. Villate" CC: Mathieu Chouinard , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font References: <376E8E4C.E4E770A5@sprint.ca> <376F48A7.512FB2C1@fe.up.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk "Jaime E. Villate" wrote: > > Mathieu Chouinard wrote: > > I'm currently trying to modify Metafont to produce Postcript type 1 > > fonts, ... > > That would be very helpful. The computer modern fonts are very nice > and rich on math glyphs but when printed they look too light. This > can be solved in type 3 by adjusting the metafont mode to get > darker characters; I did that with a book I wrote, but when I had > to send a postscript file to the publisher, I had to use the > type 1 fonts that come with tetex, and the result was not as good > as I expected. It would be nice to be able to adjust the metafont > parameters and obtain a type 1 font. .... I wonder if one can get anything reasonable by using ExtendFont to try to make darker characters? I tried this once, but my eyesight is so poor I couldn't tell whether the result was better or worse. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 10:02:39 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09497 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA22168 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:49:08 -0400 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22163 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:49:07 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.34]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3B9E; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:48:34 +0200 Message-ID: <376F9574.E1D63730@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:53:56 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: Acrobat & multiply included fonts References: <199906221211.OAA10307@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > I'm now pretty sure that there is a bug in many acrobat reader > incarnations related to multiply included fonts. > > Sometimes (rather often under solaris/NCD Xterm, but also when using > acroread as a netscape plugin) you get an error message similar to > "unable to extract the embedded font 'AEDEAC+MathematicalPi-One'. Some > characters may not display or print correctly." > > I'm now convinced that this message always concerns fonts that have > multiple subset (or variants) downloaded with different random prefix > (AEDEAC+) but same base font name (MathematicalPi-One). Taco also > reported a similar problem when two subsets of the same font were > included in the same doc, then acroread claiming it couldn't find some > chars (beacause they were in the second subset, and acroread looked > for them in the first one). It seems that acrobat partly ignores the > prefix, and partly takes it into consideration. The files are > perfectly displayed by gs, of course. > > Since this bug gracefully survived from version 3 to 4, does anyone > know a workaround, or a way to pressure adobe to fix it? It also happens when more documents with similar fonts are open, and this was not the case in version 3, so actually it became worse, just like thick fat rules turning up, and even more random slightly distorted and random color fills (the same old interference with the anti aliasing mechanism). A pity. Concerning bug reports, I already had a list prepared, but it seems that there is no bug program. The beta program is finished, and bugs should go through customer support, and I am no longer motivated to deal any longer with adobe Europe in this respect. Lacking USA contacts, I simply pass any bugs I find to the dust bin and hope for the best in a new release. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 10:04:46 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09616 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21995 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:36:34 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21992 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:36:32 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01284; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:36:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA19692; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:50:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:50:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906221550.RAA19692@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Y&Y Help Line Cc: "Sebastian Rahtz" , mchouinard@sprint.ca, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990622073553.01713290@tiac.net> References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4.2.0.56.19990622073553.01713290@tiac.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk » (2) After you create the Type 1 outlines you are only halfway done. For » the fonts to be really useful they need to be "hinted". and, most importantly, (3) you need to install an OS with sustem-level support for scalabe outline fonts! From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 11:41:09 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12693 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA23153 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:25:50 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23150 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:25:47 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p196.block2.tc3.state.MA.tiac.com [206.119.31.197]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00904; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:26:10 -0400 To: Timothy Murphy , Taco Hoekwater From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> References: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 03:36 PM 6/22/99 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >It produces a PostScript description of the glyph. >I would have thought it would be 100 times easier >to start from this >than to modify Metafont directly, >as was suggested. >In fact the latter would be more-or-less repeating >what Metapost already does. You would think different if you actually looked at what it produces. In some cases it is an alternating series of short strokes, one back, one forward, one straight, one curved. Now it is true that if you ink in all the parts to the right of this curve and stand far enough back you can't tell, but that doesn't make the "outline" useable at all. I can't understand the motivation for putting a lot of work into this anyway. There is only a relatively small set of fonts in this format, many of these already exist in Type 1 format, and no typographer (except perhaps Yannis and DEK and J"org use this tool to make more fonts, it is just too unnatural). There are 90,000 text fonts in Type 1 format already, and there are good tools for working with Type 1 (such as FontLab 3.0). http://www.fontlab.com/ or http://www.pyrus.com/ Cheers. -- Berthold K.P. Horn bkph@YandY.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 12:08:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13561 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA23315 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:55:39 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23312 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:55:38 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FDQ00M01PSMBS@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FDQ00KWOPSMFY@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Acrobat & multiply included fonts In-reply-to: <4.2.0.56.19990622105733.016f14b0@tiac.net> To: Y&Y Help Line Cc: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I know what I am about to write is not pdftex specific, but I thought you might find it interesting nevertheless. This is regards to Berthold Horn's comments about the culpability of dvips in font subsetting/embedding problems. I have been dealing with a support problem with embedding True Type (it is a messy situation!) fonts using Distiller 4.0. I have an open case number with Adobe support. I just made some startling discoveries and called Adobe to verrify these. While discussing these issues, it came to light that: Distiller 4.0 (and 3.0, too, I believe) searches the disk for fonts *first* before resorting to using fonts embedded in the PostScript file. If the fonts are not found on the hard disk, the fonts in the PostScript file are used. So what bearing does this have on the embedding of differently encoded/subsetted versions of the same font if the base font for those encoded/subsetted fonts is on the hard disk and the PostScript file contains the differently encoded/ subsetted fonts? My guess is that Distiller uses the encoding/subsetting information in the PS file to decide how to contruct the embedded subsets, and then uses disk font for extracting the necessary glyphs. I suppose that one way of testing this is to use one /Notice string for the font embeded in the PS file and another /Notice string for the font on disk. Then check the font's /Notice string as it is embeded in the PDF file (I have access to a CFF disassembler that gives me such information). I'll test more and report back... Regards, Tom > > How are these files generated? If it is DVIPS, then the suspicion > is there, since DVIPS inserts subsetted fonts nowadays, and > Distiller assumes these are complete fonts. Unfortunately > DVIPS uses the same font name for the modified fonts. > So various versions with different subsets (and perhaps > different encodings and other properties) can end up with > the same name. The recommendation is *not* to include > fonts via DVIPS (i.e. remove the and instead to let Distiller find the fonts itself. > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 15:01:16 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18603 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA23889 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:52:12 -0400 Received: from sun06.ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23886 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:52:09 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) id <0FDQ00F01XYT6U@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with ESMTP id <0FDQ00E65XYSZC@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Acrobat & multiply included fonts In-reply-to: To: Y&Y Help Line Cc: pdfTeX Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I did the testing I said I would do, and I feel *really* stupid now. It turns out that the disk is not consulted first, except in the case of True Type fonts. Only then is disk consulted, and that is to check for embedding restrictions. Tom On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) > From: Tom Kacvinsky > To: Y&Y Help Line > Cc: pdfTeX Mailing List > Subject: Re: Acrobat & multiply included fonts > > Hi, > > I know what I am about to write is not pdftex specific, but I thought > you might find it interesting nevertheless. > > This is regards to Berthold Horn's comments about the culpability of > dvips in font subsetting/embedding problems. > > I have been dealing with a support problem with embedding True Type > (it is a messy situation!) fonts using Distiller 4.0. I have an open > case number with Adobe support. I just made some startling > discoveries and called Adobe to verrify these. While discussing these > issues, it came to light that: > > Distiller 4.0 (and 3.0, too, I believe) searches the disk for fonts > *first* before resorting to using fonts embedded in the PostScript > file. If the fonts are not found on the hard disk, the fonts in the > PostScript file are used. So what bearing does this have on the > embedding of differently encoded/subsetted versions of the same font > if the base font for those encoded/subsetted fonts is on the hard disk > and the PostScript file contains the differently encoded/ subsetted > fonts? > > My guess is that Distiller uses the encoding/subsetting information in > the PS file to decide how to contruct the embedded subsets, and then > uses disk font for extracting the necessary glyphs. > > I suppose that one way of testing this is to use one /Notice string > for the font embeded in the PS file and another /Notice string for the > font on disk. Then check the font's /Notice string as it is embeded > in the PDF file (I have access to a CFF disassembler that gives me > such information). > > I'll test more and report back... > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > How are these files generated? If it is DVIPS, then the suspicion > > is there, since DVIPS inserts subsetted fonts nowadays, and > > Distiller assumes these are complete fonts. Unfortunately > > DVIPS uses the same font name for the modified fonts. > > So various versions with different subsets (and perhaps > > different encodings and other properties) can end up with > > the same name. The recommendation is *not* to include > > fonts via DVIPS (i.e. remove the > and instead to let Distiller find the fonts itself. > > > From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 19:46:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26329 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24327 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:39:39 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24324 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:39:37 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Jun 99 02:39:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:39:35 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Message-ID: <19990623023935.E17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.49119.390431.503487@PC709.wkap.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14191.49119.390431.503487@PC709.wkap.nl>; from Taco Hoekwater on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 04:54:55PM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 04:54:55PM +0000, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > It might be a little easier to start with metapost itself instead of > starting with metafont, but I doubt that. Whereas metafont has quite a > lot of code to handle paths (for intersectionpoint operations), > metapost is largely pass-through (also keep in mind that a lot of > existing MF code does not work with mpost because it uses features > that are not implemented in Metapost). I'm not sure what this means. As far as I know, nothing in metafont is omitted from metapost except for the actual bit-map output. You can certainly use the intersection of two paths in MP. Could you give an example of MF code which does not work in MP? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 19:52:14 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26464 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24373 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:49:25 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24370 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:49:23 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Jun 99 02:49:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:49:22 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Message-ID: <19990623024922.F17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net>; from Y&Y Help Line on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 01:26:10PM -0400 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 01:26:10PM -0400, Y&Y Help Line wrote: > >It produces a PostScript description of the glyph. > >I would have thought it would be 100 times easier > >to start from this > >than to modify Metafont directly, > >as was suggested. > >In fact the latter would be more-or-less repeating > >what Metapost already does. > > You would think different if you actually looked at what it produces. I have actually looked at glyphs produced by MP, and they looked quite acceptable for me. (I don't have incredibly high standards.) Actually, I think all this hinting stuff is vastly over-rated, at least for printing. > this anyway. There is only a relatively small set of fonts in this > format, many of these already exist in Type 1 format, and > no typographer (except perhaps Yannis and DEK and J"org > use this tool to make more fonts, it is just too unnatural). I'm not sure what you mean by "natural". Is that a moral judgement? It (MF) is certainly more mathematical than any similar tool I know, which gives it merit in my eyes at least. Also of course it is free, which again is not true of any alternatives I know of. > There are 90,000 text fonts in Type 1 format already, > and there are good tools for working with Type 1 > (such as FontLab 3.0). http://www.fontlab.com/ or > http://www.pyrus.com/ I guess people generally use MF today for non-text glyphs, or at least glyphs which are _not_ found among your 90,000 fonts. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Jun 22 20:51:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27875 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA24775 for pdftex-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:38:27 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA24772 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:38:26 -0400 Received: from cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.4.128.94]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990623023825.SWCA9782.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cc240476-b.hwrd1.md.home.com>; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:38:25 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: Hans Hagen Cc: Y&Y Support Line , Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Notes on 13e for Win32 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:39:09 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <377045e9.13323750@mail> References: <37632449.4817310@mail> <14179.56055.457565.615392@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <37654c2b.10327205@mail> <14180.51686.301851.449754@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3765cfc4.1075768@mail> <14182.14082.877408.387325@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <3766dfc9.131254@mail> <14183.26382.259822.784343@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <376a2cd4.1054199@mail> <14184.50179.321576.410899@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <4.2.0.56.19990621134115.02156560@tiac.net> <376f3186.196266@mail> <376F3F73.90033B43@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <376F3F73.90033B43@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id WAA24773 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:46:59 +0200, you wrote: >Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > >> This brings up an interesting question then. If there is no need to be >> worried about ram, and processing speed is quite high, then why are tools >> like ProTeX used to strip out the comments out of all the LaTeX files? >> >> Wouldn't it make more sence to only distribute fully commented files, and >> not ones that have most of the comments stripped out of them? > >Just for the record. Although I have a stripper, I never distribute >context stripped, and distribute full documented files (for as far as >documentation is finished). Actually, the main reason for the files >growing in size is that documentation is added. Taco once suggested to >quit using formats at all and simply load the whole thing every time. I >think that in a few years this indeed makes sense and formats will no >longer be needed. Actually there are places for format files. I put together entire database publishing systems using TeX as the back end. Condensing all the separate macro files into a single format file makes distribution easier. It also provides a sort of "security". I am sure it is possible to reverse engineer a format file; but I would not really want to have to do that. It "locks" the sources so that the users cannot get their hands into them and break them. For the type of embedded typesetting system we develop, distributing format files is easier. But that is not the usual case. Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 02:01:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05237 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA25488 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:32:27 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA25485 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:32:24 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01975; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:32:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCQGX2WZQU0014IX@wkap.nl>; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:32:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:32:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font In-reply-to: <376FA86A.4AA79479@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: villate@fe.up.pt Cc: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, mchouinard@sprint.ca, pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14192.43461.898131.909280@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <376E8E4C.E4E770A5@sprint.ca> <376F48A7.512FB2C1@fe.up.pt> <376FA86A.4AA79479@mail.usyd.edu.au> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Howlett writes: Robert> "Jaime E. Villate" wrote: >> Mathieu Chouinard wrote: > I'm currently trying to modify >> Metafont to produce Postcript type 1 > fonts, ... >> >> That would be very helpful. The computer modern fonts are very >> nice and rich on math glyphs but when printed they look too major disagreement here. computer modern is *designed* to be a light font. If you are not happy with that, use a different font. Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 02:22:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05679 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA25537 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:59:00 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA25533 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:58:58 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03354; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:58:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCQHUAJV540014IX@wkap.nl>; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:58:55 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:59:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-reply-to: <19990623023935.E17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14192.45068.661513.915988@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.49119.390431.503487@PC709.wkap.nl> <19990623023935.E17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy writes: Timothy> On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 04:54:55PM +0000, Taco Hoekwater Timothy> wrote: >> It might be a little easier to start with metapost itself >> instead of starting with metafont, but I doubt that. Whereas >> metafont has quite a lot of code to handle paths (for >> intersectionpoint operations), metapost is largely pass-through >> (also keep in mind that a lot of existing MF code does not work >> with mpost because it uses features that are not implemented in >> Metapost). Timothy> I'm not sure what this means. As far as I know, nothing Timothy> in metafont is omitted from metapost except for the Timothy> actual bit-map output. That's painful enough. Not implemented are: picture+picture -picture There are fonts that make use of this, as well as 'cull keeping 1'. Timothy> You can certainly use the Timothy> intersection of two paths in MP. Sorry about that, I know you can. The point I was trying to make is that MF actually has to resolve a lot of calculations (wrt black/white pixel coloring) where MP takes a shortcut by painting 'white' with the *colour* white (which is something very different). From MP.web: Since \MP\ does not need to know anything about an edge structure other than how to translate it into \ps\ and how to find its bounding box, edge structures can be just linked lists of graphical objects. \MP\ has no easy way to determine whether two such objects overlap, but it suffices to draw the first one first and let the second one overwrite it if necessary. This statement is not true while generating Type 1 fonts. On the positive side: if you are generating a Type 1 font in metafont as opposed to conversion after-the-fact, you *do* have a 'real' resolution available (1000d/em), which makes the calculations that have to be added to the program a lot simpler to implement. Taco Timothy> Could you give an example of MF code which does not work Timothy> in MP? Timothy> -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: Timothy> +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity Timothy> College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 03:09:25 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06708 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA25726 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:40:46 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA25723 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:40:44 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05679; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:40:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCQJB3C28O001B0I@wkap.nl>; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:40:42 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:41:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-reply-to: <19990623024922.F17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14192.47575.665803.481060@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> <19990623024922.F17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy writes: Timothy> On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 01:26:10PM -0400, Y&Y Help Line Timothy> wrote: >> >It produces a PostScript description of the glyph. >I would >> have thought it would be 100 times easier >to start from this >> >than to modify Metafont directly, >as was suggested. >In fact >> the latter would be more-or-less repeating >what Metapost >> already does. >> >> You would think different if you actually looked at what it >> produces. Timothy> I have actually looked at glyphs produced by MP, and they Timothy> looked quite acceptable for me. (I don't have incredibly Timothy> high standards.) Tim, Since a picture will probably work better than an explanation in words, here is a very simple example as produced by MP (a greater than sign). Replace fill by stroke in both examples to show the basic problem better on screen. %!PS %%BoundingBox: 50 19 650 481 newpath 50.00005 419.99991 moveto 649.99724 219.99982 lineto 649.99724 280.00046 lineto 50.00005 480.00056 lineto closepath fill newpath 50.00005 19.99971 moveto 649.99724 219.99982 lineto 649.99724 280.00046 lineto 50.00005 80.00037 lineto closepath fill showpage %%EOF [notice how there are two separate parts that partially overlap, the weird 'almost a real point' values, and the incorrect bounding box for a font: no sidebearings] And here is how it should be to be easily convertible into Type 1: %!PS %%BoundingBox: 0 0 700 480 newpath 50 20 moveto 650 220 lineto 650 280 lineto 50 480 lineto 50 420 lineto 560 250 lineto 50 80 lineto closepath stroke showpage %%EOF This is a *very* simple case. It gets worse for pens, where the EPS output would look like %!PS %%BoundingBox: -31 -31 631 231 0 60.6064 dtransform truncate idtransform setlinewidth pop [] 0 setdash 1 setlinecap 1 setlinejoin 10 setmiterlimit newpath 0 0 moveto 600 0 lineto 300 200 lineto 0 0 lineto stroke showpage %%EOF In this case, you have to calculate the _outline_ of this stroked path in order to create a valid Type 1 character description. Timothy> Actually, I think all this hinting stuff is vastly Timothy> over-rated, at least for printing. I agree on that, but that's not the real problem here. (I hope you understand the example above enough to see what happens with a character like CMR M with it's flexed serifs. >> this anyway. There is only a relatively small set of fonts in >> this format, many of these already exist in Type 1 format, and >> no typographer (except perhaps Yannis and DEK and J"org use >> this tool to make more fonts, it is just too unnatural). Count me in... Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 06:12:17 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10687 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA27115 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:01:14 -0400 Received: from rufus.fe.up.pt (morgana.fe.up.pt [193.136.30.190]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27112 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:01:10 -0400 Received: from fe.up.pt (villate@sputnik.fe.up.pt [193.137.28.147]) by rufus.fe.up.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27802; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:59:02 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <3770CCB9.297F69CF@fe.up.pt> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:02:01 +0100 From: "Jaime E. Villate" Organization: Faculdade de Engenharia, Porto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taco Hoekwater CC: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, mchouinard@sprint.ca, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font References: <376E8E4C.E4E770A5@sprint.ca> <376F48A7.512FB2C1@fe.up.pt> <376FA86A.4AA79479@mail.usyd.edu.au> <14192.43461.898131.909280@PC709.wkap.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > major disagreement here. computer modern is *designed* to be a light > font. If you are not happy with that, use a different font. I've heard that argument so many times; however, I think that if D. Knuth went through the trouble of creating metafont it was because he wanted us to modify his fonts and to customize them for our printers. Times have changed and postscript is now widely used for quality printing, so it would be nice to be able to use the old tools with the new technology. As to using other fonts, I have spent some time looking for alternatives and haven't found any that I really liked. Lucida and MathTime are very nice, but for the papers I write with lots of mathematical symbols, CM continues to be better; the problem is that being so light, a book typeset in CM looks as a photocopy from a personal printer's output (that's my opinion but of course typography is an art, and in art we all disagree on what is beautiful and what is ugly). Jaime From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 07:13:06 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12095 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA27371 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:54:17 -0400 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27368 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:54:15 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.12]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA63A6; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:53:42 +0200 Message-ID: <3770CEFB.ABE5FDF7@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:11:39 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taco Hoekwater CC: tim@maths.tcd.ie, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 References: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> <19990623024922.F17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14192.47575.665803.481060@PC709.wkap.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > >> this anyway. There is only a relatively small set of fonts in > >> this format, many of these already exist in Type 1 format, and > >> no typographer (except perhaps Yannis and DEK and J"org use > >> this tool to make more fonts, it is just too unnatural). > > Count me in... And the polish people, ever seen the antikwa fonts? Looks real good. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 08:09:47 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13567 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA27762 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:51:26 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27759 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:51:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14441 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:50:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:50:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font In-Reply-To: <3770CCB9.297F69CF@fe.up.pt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Jaime E. Villate wrote: > I've heard that argument so many times; however, I think > that if D. Knuth went through the trouble of creating > metafont it was because he wanted us to modify his fonts and > to customize them for our printers... I agree. Even if Knuth favored the very light appearance, darkening CM up a bit is a defensible choice that does not traduce the basic design of the fonts. There is a way of darkening Type 1 fonts, though it's not as flexible as Metafont: http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/xxfonts Allin Cottrell. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 10:16:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17437 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA28549 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28546 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:55:35 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23986 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:55:33 +0200 Message-ID: <37710485.E9856E03@ulg.ac.be> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:00:07 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX liste Subject: \includegraphics : Undefined control sequence ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, Probably a stupid question : using graphicx 1999/02/16 v1.0f package, pdftex tells me during the compilation : ! Undefined control sequence. \Ginclude@pdf ... \fi \fi \hbox {\convertPDFtoPDF {#1}{\Gin@scalex }{\Gin@sc... l.79 ^^I^^I\includegraphics[scale=0.7]{Cx-Cy.pdf} This is disturbing since I am sur this source has already be compiled properly. Here is the sequence : \begin{figure}[htbp] \centering \includegraphics[scale=0.7]{Cx-Cy.pdf} \caption{caption.} \label{fig:1} \end{figure} Some ideas ? Thanks -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 10:16:17 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17443 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA28508 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:46:38 -0400 Received: from hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca [207.107.250.65]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28505 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:46:36 -0400 Received: from sprint.ca (spc-isp-mtl-58-5-355.sprint.ca [149.99.141.102]) by hme0.smtp04.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05749 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37710E67.3323AC37@sprint.ca> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:42:16 -0500 From: Mathieu Chouinard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: metafont to type1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ok, I think I will modified fontutils to produce usable type 1, and after that I will modified metafont. Mathieu -- The Windows 2000 name was obviously created over a glass of root beer in the compagny cafeteria by a couple of executives looking for a way out of the Windows NT delays. -- John C. Dvorak From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 12:26:55 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21606 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA29602 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:16:18 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA29598 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:16:16 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Jun 99 19:16:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:16:14 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 Message-ID: <19990623191614.C8891@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> <19990623024922.F17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14192.47575.665803.481060@PC709.wkap.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14192.47575.665803.481060@PC709.wkap.nl>; from Taco Hoekwater on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 10:41:27AM +0000 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 10:41:27AM +0000, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Since a picture will probably work better than an explanation in > words, here is a very simple example as produced by MP > (a greater than sign). Replace fill by stroke in both examples to > show the basic problem better on screen. Thanks very much. [And thanks too for all your Type 1 fonts.] I'll study your example. I'm sure you are right. However, I still think the idea of modifying MF to output Type 1 is a quixotic enterprise; and even if everything you say is true I still think it would be easier (like, possible as opposed to impossible) to start with the PS output generated by MP, and modify it where necessary. I'd have to say that in the few (maybe 12) cases where I have used MP to draw glyphs it has always produced reasonable-looking output. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 23 15:41:35 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27772 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA30467 for pdftex-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:35:52 -0400 Received: from mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.1.6]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA30464 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:35:48 -0400 Received: from remote142-165.home.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.142.165] by mailgateway1.uni-freiburg.de with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10wugJ-0002TV-00; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:35:44 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990623233444.359f875c@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> X-Sender: oberdiek@pop3.uni-freiburg.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:34:44 +0200 To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be, pdfTeX liste From: Heiko Oberdiek Subject: Re: \includegraphics : Undefined control sequence ? In-Reply-To: <37710485.E9856E03@ulg.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 18:00 23.06.1999 +0200, Pierre-Alexandre Blanche wrote: >using graphicx 1999/02/16 v1.0f package, pdftex tells me during the >compilation : >! Undefined control sequence. >\Ginclude@pdf ... \fi \fi \hbox {\convertPDFtoPDF > {#1}{\Gin@scalex >}{\Gin@sc... >l.79 ^^I^^I\includegraphics[scale=0.7]{Cx-Cy.pdf} Old pdfTeX versions need macros from Hans Hagen's conTeXt: 'supp-pdf.tex' and 'supp-mis.tex', available AFAIK at CTAN or TeX Live 4:\texmf\tex\context\base\ But the best solution would be an update of your pdftex to 0.13(d). Yours sincerely Heiko From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 01:05:47 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11986 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA31721 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:55:47 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA31718 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:55:45 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07688 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:55:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCRTXBXR5O001GW7@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:55:45 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:56:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-reply-to: <19990623191614.C8891@boole.maths.tcd.ie> To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14193.62143.890678.731937@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> <19990623024922.F17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14192.47575.665803.481060@PC709.wkap.nl> <19990623191614.C8891@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy writes: Timothy> On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 10:41:27AM +0000, Taco Hoekwater Timothy> wrote: >> Since a picture will probably work better than an explanation >> in words, here is a very simple example as produced by MP (a >> greater than sign). Replace fill by stroke in both examples to >> show the basic problem better on screen. Timothy> Thanks very much. [And thanks too for all your Type 1 Timothy> fonts.] I'll study your example. I'm sure you are Timothy> right. Timothy> However, I still think the idea of modifying MF to output Timothy> Type 1 is a quixotic enterprise; and even if everything Timothy> you say is true I still think it would be easier (like, Timothy> possible as opposed to impossible) to start with the PS Timothy> output generated by MP, and modify it where necessary. Perhaps you are right, I'm really not certain which would be faster. But the basic problem is that either way there is a _lot_ of work involved. The mathematics involved in 'pathfinder' programs is not easy (Kinch testified that he needed 20.000 lines of C code to do the mps->type1 conversion). Still such an adaptation of either MP or MF is much higher on my wish list than NTS. If only I had the time or the money .... Taco -- Taco Hoekwater taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 03:04:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14493 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA32656 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:46:40 -0400 Received: from aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be [139.165.32.133]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA32653 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:46:38 -0400 Received: from ulg.ac.be (171.csl.ulg.ac.be [139.165.178.171]) by aix10.segi.ulg.ac.be (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26528; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:45:14 +0200 Message-ID: <3771F13B.C45938FF@ulg.ac.be> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:50:14 +0200 From: Pierre-Alexandre Blanche Reply-To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr-FR,fr-BE,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Oberdiek , Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdfTeX liste Subject: \includegraphics : Text line contains an invalid character ? References: <3.0.1.16.19990623233444.359f875c@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have downloaded the two files 'supp-pdf.tex' and 'supp-mis.tex' placed them in texmf:pdf:base folder. The error message has changed but I still have problems with images : [PDF to PDF :.pdf:Cx-Cy.pdf ! Text line contains an invalid character. HâîW?r^^] 7^^PÃY=^^?ÿê l.79 ^^I^^I\includegraphics[scale=0.7]{Cx-Cy.pdf} ^^M The image is in pdf and opens well with acrobat. I am realy perturbated with this problem since this source code has already been compiled an gives me a good pdf file with good images (in color). I do not know what has been change since. I can not update pdftex since I am using CMacTeX and I do not know how to install the update. Please help me. Thanks Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > pdftex tells me during the > >compilation : > >! Undefined control sequence. > >\Ginclude@pdf ... \fi \fi \hbox {\convertPDFtoPDF > > {#1}{\Gin@scalex > >}{\Gin@sc... > >l.79 ^^I^^I\includegraphics[scale=0.7]{Cx-Cy.pdf} > > Old pdfTeX versions need macros from Hans Hagen's conTeXt: > 'supp-pdf.tex' and 'supp-mis.tex', available AFAIK at CTAN or > TeX Live 4:\texmf\tex\context\base\ > > But the best solution would be an update of your pdftex to 0.13(d). -- Pierre-Alexandre Blanche ___________________________________________ Centre Spatial de Liège Groupe d'Optique Non Linéaire Université de Liège, Parc Scientifique du Sart-Tilman Avenue du Pré-Aily, B-4031 Angleur-Liège, Belgium. Tel:+32-4-367.66.68 Fax:+32-4-367.56.13 E-mail:pablanche@ulg.ac.be ___________________________________________ Sans Judas, pas de Christ. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 04:06:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15821 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA00103 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:55:49 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA00096 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:54:51 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id JAA19064; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:53:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:53:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199906240853.JAA19064@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <37710485.E9856E03@ulg.ac.be> (message from Pierre-Alexandre Blanche on Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:00:07 +0200) Subject: Re: \includegraphics : Undefined control sequence ? References: <37710485.E9856E03@ulg.ac.be> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > using graphicx 1999/02/16 v1.0f package are you sure you are not picking up an old copy of pdftex.def. Or perhaps you have an old copy of pdftex (you don't say what version of pdftex you have). In anycase nore recent versions of pdftex can include pdf files directly and recent versions of pdftex.def file for the graphics package know this and so do not load Hans' \convertPDFtoPDF macros that were needed for early versions of pdftex. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 05:06:46 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17158 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:06:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA00404 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:52:09 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00397 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:51:27 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id LAA20132; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:47:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:47:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199906241047.LAA20132@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <3771F13B.C45938FF@ulg.ac.be> (message from Pierre-Alexandre Blanche on Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:50:14 +0200) Subject: Re: \includegraphics : Text line contains an invalid character ? References: <3.0.1.16.19990623233444.359f875c@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <3771F13B.C45938FF@ulg.ac.be> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have downloaded the two files 'supp-pdf.tex' and 'supp-mis.tex' placed > them in texmf:pdf:base folder. you really don't want to use those files. They handle a small subset of pdf and were very useful when pdftex could not include pdf files, but now pdftex can include pdf files you really want to do that. In both sets of error messages that you posted you managed to cut out the bit with the important information, namely which versions of pdftex and the graphics packages you are using. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 05:58:02 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18240 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA00570 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:37:01 -0400 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00567 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:36:57 -0400 Received: from wxs.nl ([195.121.140.53]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA4B; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:36:24 +0200 Message-ID: <377209D9.DEF74DC9@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:35:05 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pablanche@ulg.ac.be CC: Heiko Oberdiek , Sebastian Rahtz , pdfTeX liste Subject: Re: \includegraphics : Text line contains an invalid character ? References: <3.0.1.16.19990623233444.359f875c@pop3.uni-freiburg.de> <3771F13B.C45938FF@ulg.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id HAA00568 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pierre-Alexandre Blanche wrote: > The error message has changed but I still have problems with images : > > [PDF to PDF :.pdf:Cx-Cy.pdf > ! Text line contains an invalid character. > HâîW?r^^] > 7^^PÃY=^^?ÿê > l.79 ^^I^^I\includegraphics[scale=0.7]{Cx-Cy.pdf} This is due to the fact that tex cannot handle binary data > The image is in pdf and opens well with acrobat. Please update your pdftex, because pdf inclusion is since long nmatural to pdftex. Don't spend time on getting old versions working. > I am realy perturbated with this problem since this source code has > already been compiled an gives me a good pdf file with good images (in > color). I do not know what has been change since. I can not update > pdftex since I am using CMacTeX and I do not know how to install the > update. Just mail the cmactex people. Otherwise you're stuck anyway. I'm sure they can send you a new binary. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 07:12:36 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19924 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA00960 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:00:48 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00957 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:00:45 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10916; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:59:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37722D27.B5490E96@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:05:43 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taco Hoekwater CC: villate@fe.up.pt, mchouinard@sprint.ca, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font References: <376E8E4C.E4E770A5@sprint.ca> <376F48A7.512FB2C1@fe.up.pt> <376FA86A.4AA79479@mail.usyd.edu.au> <14192.43461.898131.909280@PC709.wkap.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Howlett writes: > > Robert> "Jaime E. Villate" wrote: > >> Mathieu Chouinard wrote: > I'm currently trying to modify > >> Metafont to produce Postcript type 1 > fonts, ... > >> > >> That would be very helpful. The computer modern fonts are very > >> nice and rich on math glyphs but when printed they look too > > > major disagreement here. computer modern is *designed* to be a light > font. If you are not happy with that, use a different font. > > > Taco There are plenty of text fonts around, but I'm a mathematician and need a good supply of maths symbols. Also, I prefer to use things that are free, because it's all I can afford. Anyway, all I'm asking for is something heavier than cmmi10, cmsy10 etc. but lighter than cmmib10 etc. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 08:44:42 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22403 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA01278 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:17:16 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01275 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:17:14 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl (wkaxp1.wkap.nl [192.87.90.131]) by relay.surfnet.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29532; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:16:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from PC709.wkap.nl ([194.171.67.170]) by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.2-31 #36652) with SMTP id <01JCS9BXFR9U001ETW@wkap.nl>; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:16:38 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:17:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: Metafont-> Poscript type 1 font In-reply-to: <37722D27.B5490E96@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Cc: villate@fe.up.pt, mchouinard@sprint.ca, pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <14194.23063.469225.853760@PC709.wkap.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <376E8E4C.E4E770A5@sprint.ca> <376F48A7.512FB2C1@fe.up.pt> <376FA86A.4AA79479@mail.usyd.edu.au> <14192.43461.898131.909280@PC709.wkap.nl> <37722D27.B5490E96@mail.usyd.edu.au> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Howlett writes: Robert> There are plenty of text fonts around, but I'm a Robert> mathematician and need a good supply of maths Robert> symbols. Also, I prefer to use things that are free, Robert> because it's all I can afford. Anyway, all I'm asking for Robert> is something heavier than cmmi10, cmsy10 etc. but lighter Robert> than cmmib10 etc. In that case, one of my current projects may be of interest to you: http://www.cybercomm.nl/~bittext/fonts.html Greetings, Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 10:57:41 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26566 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01745 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:34:55 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01742 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:34:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07127 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:34:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref + pdfscreen Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Have I missed something? I'm using hyperref 6.60 plus the pdfscreen dated June 15. ! Undefined control sequence. \NR@sect ...\def \@currentlabelname {#7}\old@sect {#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{... l.20 \section{The simple linear model} -- Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 11:11:09 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26974 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01919 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:56:34 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01913 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:56:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07552 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:55:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Re. the problem I just posted, this seems to work... --- pdfscreen.sty.orig Fri Jun 18 10:47:19 1999 +++ pdfscreen.sty Thu Jun 24 12:52:26 1999 @@ -429,6 +429,7 @@ \screensize{5.5in}{7.5in} %{height}{width} + \let\old@sect\@sect \newcounter{slevel} \def\@sect#1#2#3#4#5#6[#7]#8{\setcounter{slevel}{#2}% \def\@currentlabelname{#7}% -- Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 12:06:58 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28706 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA02075 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:46:29 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02072 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:46:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28837; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:21:30 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:21:29 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Allin Cottrell cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref + pdfscreen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Allin Cottrell wrote: > Have I missed something? I'm using hyperref 6.60 plus the > pdfscreen dated June 15. > > ! Undefined control sequence. > \NR@sect ...\def \@currentlabelname {#7}\old@sect > > {#1}{#2}{#3}{#4}{#5}{#6}[{... > l.20 \section{The simple linear model} are you using ams classes? ams section macros clash with pdfscreen. will find the solution soon. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 12:11:35 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28833 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA02109 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:57:24 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02106 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:57:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08454 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:56:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: setting background colour Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to set a background colour for an entire text. My strategy was \usepackage[pdftex]{color} \pagecolor{blue} but this gives ! Undefined control sequence. ...g \color @blue\endcsname \set@color l.10 \pagecolor{blue} (graphics package as of March 1999, pdftex 13d) Funny, since "\color{blue}" works fine to make all the text coloured. Allin Cottrell. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 12:34:50 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29548 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA02409 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:23:55 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02405 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:23:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA14562; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:58:46 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:58:46 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Allin Cottrell cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: setting background colour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Allin Cottrell wrote: > I'm trying to set a background colour for an entire text. My > strategy was > > \usepackage[pdftex]{color} > > \pagecolor{blue} > \pagecolor is not supported with pdftex option. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 16:13:25 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06044 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA03329 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:06:11 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (openmath.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.16]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA03326 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:05:36 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id WAA03492; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:59:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:59:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199906242159.WAA03492@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in CC: cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (message from RADHAKRISHNAN C V on Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:58:46 +0530 (IST)) Subject: Re: setting background colour References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:58:46 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V Cc: pdftex@tug.org Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Allin Cottrell wrote: > I'm trying to set a background colour for an entire text. My > strategy was > > \usepackage[pdftex]{color} > > \pagecolor{blue} > \pagecolor is not supported with pdftex option. radhakrishnan Mainly because I was too lazy. Clearly if the driver doesn't support page colour at a primitive level, color.sty ought to make a page sized blob of colour and drop it in as the first thing on each page by stealing the page head code at some point. If someone would like to implement it, I'd probably add it:-) David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 16:49:23 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07057 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA03461 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:42:26 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA03458 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:42:24 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10xICM-0000pg-00; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:42:22 +0100 Received: from max67.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.67] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xICL-0000gP-00; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:42:21 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14194.36151.244061.970200@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:55:35 +0100 (BST) To: cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Allin Cottrell writes: > > --- pdfscreen.sty.orig Fri Jun 18 10:47:19 1999 > +++ pdfscreen.sty Thu Jun 24 12:52:26 1999 > @@ -429,6 +429,7 @@ > > \screensize{5.5in}{7.5in} %{height}{width} > > + \let\old@sect\@sect > \newcounter{slevel} > \def\@sect#1#2#3#4#5#6[#7]#8{\setcounter{slevel}{#2}% > \def\@currentlabelname{#7}% > thats not the current version of pdfscreen you are patching Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 16:49:29 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07061 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA03469 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:43:55 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA03466 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:43:53 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10xIDo-0000qe-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:43:52 +0100 Received: from max67.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.67] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xIDo-0008Mk-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:43:52 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14194.44835.913791.671006@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:20:19 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Steve Grathwohl ] In-Reply-To: <199906241356.JAA01206@tug.org> References: <199906241356.JAA01206@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >color). I do not know what has been change since. I can not update >pdftex since I am using CMacTeX and I do not know how to install the >update. > >Please help me. Thanks > Updating is very easy. Just go to http://www.kiffe.com/cmactex.html and click on the pdftex link in the navigation bar on the left. This takes you to the pdftex page where you can download v. 0.13d. Just follow the instructions after unpacking. Essentially, it involves replacing the pdftex (pdfetex) binary in the binaries folder and the pdftex (pdfetex) tool in the tools folder and making new formats. The latest version also comes with apps and scripts for converting eps files into pdf files. Tom does excellent work with his mac port and makes it very easy to stay up to date. Steve -- Steve Grathwohl Duke Mathematical Journal * International Mathematics Research Notices grath@duke.edu * +001 919-687-3634 * fax: +001 919-688-5595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Jun 24 21:07:49 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13478 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA04168 for pdftex-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:51:30 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA04165 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:51:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16575 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:50:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:50:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: latest pdfscreen? In-Reply-To: <14194.36151.244061.970200@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > \screensize{5.5in}{7.5in} %{height}{width} > > > > + \let\old@sect\@sect > > \newcounter{slevel} > > \def\@sect#1#2#3#4#5#6[#7]#8{\setcounter{slevel}{#2}% > > \def\@currentlabelname{#7}% > > > thats not the current version of pdfscreen you are patching Hmm, then where might that be found? The one I patched was the one dated June 15 on CTAN. Allin Cottrell. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 25 02:50:37 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21270 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA05226 for pdftex-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:26:15 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA05223 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:26:13 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10xRJJ-0000bo-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:26:09 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xRJJ-0007Hd-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:26:09 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14195.19260.975896.345235@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:26:20 +0000 (GMT) To: cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: latest pdfscreen? In-Reply-To: References: <14194.36151.244061.970200@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Allin's patch: > > > + \let\old@sect\@sect > > > \newcounter{slevel} > > > \def\@sect#1#2#3#4#5#6[#7]#8{\setcounter{slevel}{#2}% > > > \def\@currentlabelname{#7}% > > > > Hmm, then where might that be found? The one I patched was the > one dated June 15 on CTAN. > sitting on UK CTAN: ouse:spqr100$ grep newcounter /public/ctan/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/supported/pdfscreen/pdfscreen.sty ouse:spqr100$ >From which I conclude that Allin does not have what I see.... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 25 03:39:15 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22222 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA05607 for pdftex-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:18:39 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de ([194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05604 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:18:36 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA20B for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:17:07 +0200 Message-ID: <377349CA.A2F282FB@detewe.de> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:20:10 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: latest pdfscreen? References: <14194.36151.244061.970200@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14195.19260.975896.345235@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id FAA05605 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > ouse:spqr100$ grep newcounter /public/ctan/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/supported/pdfscreen/pdfscreen.sty > ouse:spqr100$ > > from which I conclude that Allin does not have what I see.... I too have problems with pdfscreen (1999/6/12 v0.95). Trying to build "maria.pdf" using "maria.tex" from the pdfscreen package results in the following: ... ! Undefined control sequence. \@seccntformat ...color {section\thesection@level }\expandafter \upshape ... Any hints? BTW: I am using the TeX Live 4 CD-ROM on Solaris 2.5.x - which works quite well :-)) Regards Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Wiedmann | Linux: Cordless Technology A/S | If you think speed is dangerous, Köpenicker Str. 180 | use Windows D-10997 Berlin | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 25 04:13:11 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22963 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA05777 for pdftex-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:50:42 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05774 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:50:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02094; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:25:50 +0530 (IST) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:25:49 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Michael Wiedmann cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: latest pdfscreen? In-Reply-To: <377349CA.A2F282FB@detewe.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Michael Wiedmann wrote: > Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > ouse:spqr100$ grep newcounter /public/ctan/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/supported/pdfscreen/pdfscreen.sty > > ouse:spqr100$ > > > > from which I conclude that Allin does not have what I see.... > > I too have problems with pdfscreen (1999/6/12 v0.95). > Trying to build "maria.pdf" using "maria.tex" from the pdfscreen > package results in the following: > > ... > ! Undefined control sequence. > \@seccntformat ...color {section\thesection@level > }\expandafter \upshape > ... > > Any hints? > > BTW: I am using the TeX Live 4 CD-ROM on Solaris 2.5.x - which works > quite well :-)) get the new version from CTAN. TeX Live 4 has the old version. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 25 05:00:26 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23943 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA06078 for pdftex-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:36:53 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de ([194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA06075 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:36:51 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA22B6 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:35:17 +0200 Message-ID: <37735C1C.37542BC@detewe.de> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:38:20 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: latest pdfscreen? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id GAA06076 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk RADHAKRISHNAN C V wrote: > get the new version from CTAN. TeX Live 4 has the old version. Actually I *am* using the version from CTAN (ftp://ftp.dante.de, ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk has exactly the same version) !!! I put it in a TEXINPUTS-directory and are really sure, that this is the one which gets pulled in by pdftex. Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Wiedmann | Linux: Cordless Technology A/S | If you think speed is dangerous, Köpenicker Str. 180 | use Windows D-10997 Berlin | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 25 05:42:20 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA24822 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA06405 for pdftex-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:31:31 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06402 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:31:29 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10xUCO-0003ZD-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:31:12 +0100 Received: from rahtz by ermine.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xUCO-0002FU-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:31:12 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14195.26752.117367.189916@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:31:12 +0100 (BST) To: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in Cc: michael.wiedmann@detewe.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: latest pdfscreen? In-Reply-To: References: <377349CA.A2F282FB@detewe.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > get the new version from CTAN. TeX Live 4 has the old version. > yes. either use the pdfscreen *and* hyperref from TeX Live, or upgrade *both* from CTAN. no other combination. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 25 06:46:50 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26189 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA06596 for pdftex-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:03:04 -0400 Received: from zinse043.detewe.de ([194.115.52.5]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA06589 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:01:38 -0400 Received: from detewe.de ([172.30.200.43]) by zinse043.detewe.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA41C9 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:59:42 +0200 Message-ID: <37736FE5.56093520@detewe.de> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:02:45 +0200 From: "Michael Wiedmann" Organization: Cordless Technology X-Sender: "Michael Wiedmann" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: latest pdfscreen? References: <377349CA.A2F282FB@detewe.de> <14195.26752.117367.189916@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id IAA06594 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > yes. either use the pdfscreen *and* hyperref from TeX Live, or upgrade > *both* from CTAN. no other combination. Thanks! That was it... Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Wiedmann | Linux: Cordless Technology A/S | If you think speed is dangerous, Köpenicker Str. 180 | use Windows D-10997 Berlin | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Jun 25 09:29:52 1999 Flags: 000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00587 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:29:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA07198 for pdftex-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:38:50 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07195 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:38:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA30181 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:37:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:37:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: latest pdfscreen? In-Reply-To: <14195.19260.975896.345235@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > from which I conclude that Allin does not have what I see.... Granted. But this seems to be an odd piece of CTAN arcana. The version I grabbed yesterday had a time stamp on the server of June 15, but looking more closely I see that inside it's actually dated 4/17. Anyway, I now have the current version, thanks. Allin Cottrell From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Jun 26 07:19:00 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03719 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA09540 for pdftex-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:06:48 -0400 Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09537 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:06:47 -0400 Received: from MAURITIUS (p23.tc15.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.78.152]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28773; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990626090043.016f7328@tiac.net> X-Sender: yandy@tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:07:23 -0400 To: Timothy Murphy , pdftex@tug.org From: Y&Y Help Line Subject: Re: Modifing metafont to produce type1 In-Reply-To: <19990623024922.F17671@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <376E8D21.5C478E67@sprint.ca> <14190.38149.58836.373237@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <19990622015815.A19327@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <14191.18626.107172.796190@PC709.wkap.nl> <19990622153652.B31548@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <4.2.0.56.19990622131934.0170fb90@tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 02:49 AM 6/23/99 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >Actually, I think all this hinting stuff is vastly over-rated, >at least for printing. Really :-)? http://www.YandY/com/compare.htm http://www.yandy.com/mtcomp.htm http://www.microsoft.com/typography/property/help.htm#hinting http://www.microsoft.com/typography/hinting/hinting.htm Regards, Berthold. -- Berthold K.P. Horn bkph@YandY.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 27 13:18:22 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13406 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA11937 for pdftex-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:59:47 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11934 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:59:46 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10yK9Y-0002xN-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:59:44 +0100 Received: from max1.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.1] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10yK9X-00028A-00 for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:59:44 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14198.19855.134317.100514@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:13:03 +0100 (BST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from [Radhakrishnan ] In-Reply-To: <199906270312.XAA10266@tug.org> References: <199906270312.XAA10266@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Radhakrishnan > Subject: TUGIndia Journal The TUGIndia Journal is available at: http://www.river-valley.com/tug/tugindia21.pdf http://www.river-valley.com/tug/tugindia21a.pdf The two files constitute issue No. 1 of Vol. 2. Kindly download the two files together. The PDF's are generated using pdfTeX with ConTeXt macros of Hans Hagen and pdfLaTeX with hyperref.sty of Sebastian Rahtz. You can have a comparison of two document formatting technologies in the pdfTeX world. Contents: Eric S. Raymond: Cathedral and Bazaar Peter Taylor: Book Design for TeX Users -- Practice Kaveh Bazargan and Peter Taylor: A Review of TUG98 Radhakrishnan Secretary, TUGIndia From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Jun 27 13:18:36 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13419 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA11932 for pdftex-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:59:16 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail1.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11929 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:59:09 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10yK8y-0001Uk-00; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:59:08 +0100 Received: from max1.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.1] helo=ogre ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10yK8x-0005Jf-00; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:59:07 +0100 X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Sebastian Rahtz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14197.10013.124692.670821@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:16:45 +0100 (BST) To: joachim.becker@phil.uni-goettingen.de cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: BOUNCE pdftex@tug.org: Non-member submission from ["Joachim Becker" ] In-Reply-To: <199906261642.MAA09883@tug.org> References: <199906261642.MAA09883@tug.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Is anybody out there who can tell me how to generate > phonetic (TIPA) and greek (CB-Greek) fonts for PDF-Files? > Or is there somewhere a server that has such fonts? there are Type1 versions of the main TIPA fonts on CTAN (eg ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/) . look around under "hoekwater". I dont think anyone has done the cbgreek fonts Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 30 02:11:47 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16400 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:11:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA24354 for pdftex-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:52:29 -0400 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24351 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:52:25 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.13]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10zFAN-0004iw-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:52:23 +0100 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17] ident=rahtz) by ermine.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10zFAN-0002AV-00 for pdftex@www.tug.org; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:52:23 +0100 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14201.56022.305916.565880@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:52:38 +0000 (GMT) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Aladdin Ghostscript 5.87 test In-Reply-To: <199906291526.IAA06451@aladdin.com> References: <199906291526.IAA06451@aladdin.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk this should make quite a few people happy: > The Aladdin Ghostscript 5.87 fileset is now available for testing. This > fileset has substantial changes related to the future font API, mostly in > the library, and most of the changes to the PDF writer for doing the right > thing with fonts other than the base 14 (both embedded Type 1 and > non-embedded). These areas are a little rough and unstable right now: they > will be undergoing further changes between now and the 6.0 release. > sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 30 05:23:50 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20545 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA25046 for pdftex-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:02:40 -0400 Received: from elch.de.uu.net (elch.de.uu.net [192.76.144.55]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25043 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:02:38 -0400 Received: from gmx.de (pec-152.au3.b.uunet.de [149.228.254.152]:1101) by elch.de.uu.net with ESMTP (5.65+:003/3.0.2) for id NAA06824; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:00:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3779F929.258C6A0C@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:02:01 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Aladdin Ghostscript 5.87 test References: <199906291526.IAA06451@aladdin.com> <14201.56022.305916.565880@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > this should make quite a few people happy: > > The Aladdin Ghostscript 5.87 fileset is now available for testing. This > > fileset has substantial changes related to the future font API, mostly in > > the library, and most of the changes to the PDF writer for doing the right > > thing with fonts other than the base 14 (both embedded Type 1 and > > non-embedded). These areas are a little rough and unstable right now: they > > will be undergoing further changes between now and the 6.0 release. and it is available from: ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/test/ you may want to read this http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/tester.html first. Tobias From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 30 08:14:06 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24563 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA26171 for pdftex-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:02:39 -0400 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26168 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:02:36 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2488.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.9.184]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22691 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:02:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <377A2508.5FC52F7C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:09:12 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX mailing list Subject: disappearing glue bug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk If you pdftex a 4 line file of the following kind \pdfimage{foo1.png} \vskip 1 cm \pdfimage{foo2.png} \bye then the 1 cm glue that should separate the pictures disappears. Presumably this is due to the fact that glue at the top of a page disappears, since if you put \null at the top, i.e. \null \pdfimage{foo1.png} \vskip 1 cm \pdfimage{foo2.png} \bye then it works right. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Jun 30 15:14:43 1999 Flags: 000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from tug.org (IDENT:daemon@tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07878 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA29341 for pdftex-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:02:02 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29338 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:02:00 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00235; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:01:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11527; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:02:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199906302102.XAA11527@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: disappearing glue bug In-Reply-To: <377A2508.5FC52F7C@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Jul 1, 99 00:09:12 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:02:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (pdfTeX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > If you pdftex a 4 line file of the following kind > > \pdfimage{foo1.png} > \vskip 1 cm > \pdfimage{foo2.png} > \bye > > then the 1 cm glue that should separate the > pictures disappears. Presumably this is due to the > fact that glue at the top of a page disappears, since > if you put \null at the top, i.e. > > \null > \pdfimage{foo1.png} > \vskip 1 cm > \pdfimage{foo2.png} > \bye > > then it works right. \pdfimage produces a whatsit node, so the glue is discarded. From TeXbook, p.~112: Whenever TeX is moving an item from the top of the ``recent contributions'' to the bottom of the ``curent page'', it discards a discarable item (glue, kern, or penelty) if the current page does not contain any boxes. you can try something like {PSfile=foo.eps llx=15 lly=59 urx=1685 ury=475 rwi=4680} \vskip 1 cm {PSfile=foo.eps llx=15 lly=59 urx=1685 ury=475 rwi=4680} and you will see the similiar effect (in fact they are overlap without \null and are shifted by 1cm with \null). The safe way to use \pdfimage is to enclose it into a box. Thanh