From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 1 02:32:06 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20876 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 02:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA20000 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 May 1998 04:26:43 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA19997 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 04:26:41 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl21.pi.net [145.220.204.21]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA03327; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:23:07 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:23:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35498651.3AD1DD7B@pi.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:22:41 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: raman@Adobe.COM CC: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> <8319-Wed29Apr1998213548+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804301416.HAA22421@labrador> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk T. V. Raman wrote: > > And even more importantly, I could translate it to audio. > What's more I'd preserve the ability to fill in the form > either via Acrobat consuming the PDF or from Emacs by > editting the LaTeX, or from any generic HTML-enabled > environment like Emacspeak/W3 How far is Adobe with structural elements in PDF? I know there are things going on, but what is the progress? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 1 05:20:00 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23744 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 05:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA20649 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:11:14 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA20646 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:11:03 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl28.pi.net [145.220.204.28]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA11439; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:10:37 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:10:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3549919D.501E02A2@pi.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:10:53 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ",pdftex" CC: Hans Hagen Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12j References: <199804291917.VAA02573@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > Changes to previous version: > - support of metafont (many thanks to Hans and Taco). PK fonts are quite useable > with GS. Outlined fonts from Hans' mp2pgc are supported, but are not handled > very well. Note that on-the-fly creating PK fonts may be a problem, as > web2c-7.2 call different scripts with different arguments syntax. For system > with older MakeTeXPK there is a script mktexpk (at the above location), which > just calls MakeTeXPK with the right arguments. You can also add ie > `pk_resolution 300' to pdftex.cfg to specify the base resolution (default > value is 600). There is no need to have PK fonts in map files, but if a pgc > font is specified in a map file by a line contaning only font name as I've written a perl script that (1) let's metapost generate a metafont and (2) convert the result in a so called pdf glyph container file (pgc). Currently pdftex read this pgc files if present. When people want to experiment with this outline type 3 fonts, let me know and I'll post the scriptto this list. There are several optimization strategies possible. I also wrote a script that merges such outlines with bitmap alternatives when no decent conversion is possible. These merged files are not yet handled by pdftex. Anyhow, in GS the results are quite acceptable. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 1 06:33:31 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24936 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA20989 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:29:42 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20986 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:29:41 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19463; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:29:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA23700; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:35:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:35:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805011235.OAA23700@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Hans Hagen Cc: ",pdftex" Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12j In-Reply-To: <3549919D.501E02A2@pi.net> References: <199804291917.VAA02573@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <3549919D.501E02A2@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: pdftex-0.12j », Hans Hagen écrit : « » I've written a perl script that (1) let's metapost generate a metafont » and (2) convert the result in a so called pdf glyph container file » (pgc). Currently pdftex read this pgc files if present. When people want i'm obviously interested. just curious: if i use your script, print a font table with pdftex, and extract the font from the PS file, does this duplicate metafog's facility? Thierry From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 1 07:34:44 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26152 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21223 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:29:29 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21219 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:29:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:29:08 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980501142908.d6a4@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: More on kiosk mode Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Superkiosk mode tracked down: netscape -sk does exactly what Hans wants, I think. No version of NS should be running at the time. ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 1 08:18:40 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27122 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21405 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:13:54 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21394 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:13:53 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA17246; hop 0; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:09:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 1 May 1998 15:13:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 02:45:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4103-Fri01May1998024538+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: kiosks In-Reply-To: <98May1.153354+0200_met_dst.41606-13117+2@proton.elka.pw.edu.pl> References: <98May1.153354+0200_met_dst.41606-13117+2@proton.elka.pw.edu.pl> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Phil says > Superkiosk mode tracked down: > > netscape -sk > > does exactly what Hans wants, I think. > No version of NS should be running at the time. > playing with Explorer, it seems fairly easy to get rid of all the toolbars etc etc, and run full-screen mode if needed sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 1 09:31:19 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28971 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21716 for pdftex-list; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:26:42 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21713 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:26:36 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl46.pi.net [145.220.204.46]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA16498; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:26:27 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:26:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3549D859.8C0F221E@pi.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:12:41 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: ",pdftex" Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12j References: <199804291917.VAA02573@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <3549919D.501E02A2@pi.net> <199805011235.OAA23700@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > Concernant « Re: pdftex-0.12j », Hans Hagen écrit : « > » I've written a perl script that (1) let's metapost generate a metafont > » and (2) convert the result in a so called pdf glyph container file > » (pgc). Currently pdftex read this pgc files if present. When people want > > i'm obviously interested. just curious: if i use your script, print a > font table with pdftex, and extract the font from the PS file, does > this duplicate metafog's facility? I'll mail you the scripts. Concerning the question: the answer is no. I don't interpret the path and make 'one path'. Maybe if I fully understand what is needed ..., but Taco know much more about that. (He also has an article on that topic in the next MAPS). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 2 05:18:14 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14750 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 05:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25841 for pdftex-list; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:13:59 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA25838 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:13:57 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:13:49 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA14700; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:09:58 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:09:57 +0100 (BST) To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: raman@Adobe.COM, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <9939-Thu30Apr1998043905+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> <8319-Wed29Apr1998213548+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804301416.HAA22421@labrador> <9939-Thu30Apr1998043905+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <13642.65072.695077.906374@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian > > Then you can have some: > > \TextField[optional parameters]{Name}[Sebastian] It is I think acknowledged as "safe LaTeX" to not have trailing optional arguments (or split infinitives:-) if these can be avoided. Better, if feasible: \TextField[optional parameters][Sebastian]{Name} chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 2 11:31:59 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23623 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 11:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27155 for pdftex-list; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:28:49 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27152 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:28:48 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id SAA02370; hop 0; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:24:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 2 May 1998 18:28:40 +0100 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 06:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: <7621-Sat02May1998061220+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: C.A.Rowley@open.ac.uk Cc: raman@Adobe.COM, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <13642.65072.695077.906374@fell.open.ac.uk> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> <8319-Wed29Apr1998213548+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804301416.HAA22421@labrador> <9939-Thu30Apr1998043905+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <13642.65072.695077.906374@fell.open.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Chris Rowley writes: > > \TextField[optional parameters]{Name}[Sebastian] > > It is I think acknowledged as "safe LaTeX" to not have trailing optional > arguments (or split infinitives:-) if these can be avoided. > > Better, if feasible: > > \TextField[optional parameters][Sebastian]{Name} > oh, ok. your word is law. will make it so. i got myself an implementation which generates HTML forms today, more next week. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 2 14:53:28 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28686 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27878 for pdftex-list; Sat, 2 May 1998 16:51:34 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ugdial71.ug.eds.com [134.244.29.202]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27875 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 16:51:02 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28047; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:09:40 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.org Newsgroups: comp.text.pdf,comp.text.tex Subject: Re: Same PDF File with Windows, UNIX and Mac; Different Results! References: <893886703.12510.0.nnrp-06.c2deb56b@news.demon.co.uk> <354A0634.1DC993C@ai.mit.edu> <354A6436.744BBC92@YandY.com> From: Alan Shutko X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Date: 02 May 1998 13:09:37 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 18 In-Reply-To: Louis Vosloo's message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 20:09:26 -0400" Posted-To: comp.text.pdf,comp.text.tex Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to comp.text.pdf,comp.text.tex as well. >>>>> "L" == Louis Vosloo writes: >> Trevor Jenkins wrote: >> http://tug.org/applications/pdftex/pdftexman.pdf. This is the L> This file does have one flaw that Acrobat may take as an excuse for L> failing: the CharString count is incorrect (too large for the L> partial font) in the Private dictionary. This is something that L> doesn't bother some PS interpreters, but some do have a problem L> with it. I believe that this bug in PDFTeX has been since fixed, so someone might want to reTeX the manual. -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted "But what we need to know is, do people want nasally-insertable computers?" From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 3 09:43:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10722 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 09:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA31993 for pdftex-list; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:37:11 -0400 Received: from gwfs.stud.fh-jena.de (gwfs.stud.fh-jena.de [194.94.37.56]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31990 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:37:09 -0400 Received: from gw4s.stud (gw4s.stud.fh-jena.de [194.94.37.30]) by gwfs.stud.fh-jena.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA27374 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:37:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Colin Marquardt <941etcm@gwfs.stud.fh-jena.de> Received: (from 941etcm@localhost) by gw4s.stud (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27556 for pdftex@tug.org; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:33:18 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805031533.RAA27556@gw4s.stud> Subject: Security options with pdfTeX? To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:33:18 +0200 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello everybody, to make it short: is there a possibility to set security options as shown by Acrobat Reader, e.g. allow selection of text/graphics, allow printing? Also, the "optimized" flag should be set to true if compiled with a \pdfcompresslevel > 0 (or is there an explicit definition of what "optimized" is?). Cheers, Colin -- Colin Marquardt colin.marquardt@gmx.de Ortsstrasse 28 D-07426 Untersch"obling From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 4 02:23:49 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA24973 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA02862 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:16:36 -0400 Received: from linpwd (linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de [134.76.28.202]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA02859 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:16:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:16:06 +0200 Message-Id: <98050410160619@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> From: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Trouble printing pdf's with png X-VMS-To: smtp%"pdftex@tug.org" X-VMS-Cc: DALY Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk After experimenting with pdftex (web2c/win32 version) and making sure I have all the fonts and pdftex.cfg as I want it, I started to use it seriously. But now I have encountered a problem with imported graphics, .png files. I suspect the problem is more with Acrobat, but I would like to hear if I am doing something dumb. I convert an eps (vector plot) file to png with Ghostscript. I can view this png file nicely with CorelPhotoPaint and MS Photo Editor. It seems to be okay. I include it in a LaTeX file with the pdftex.def driver for graphics. I view the result with Acrobat, still okay. But when I print it to a PostScript printer, nothing comes out. Instead, I send the PostScript output to a file, and view it with Ghostview. It complains. I look at the resulting file myself and discover that where the image appears, I have BI /Width 650 /Height 760 /BitsPerComponent 8 /ColorSpace /DeviceGray /Filter [/ASCII85Decode /LZWDecode ] ID (here comes Ascii coded binary stuff) EI I notice that text is bracketed by commands BT ... ET (Begin Text ... End Text I presume), and both BT and ET are defined in the PostScript file; but BI and EI are not (Begin Image End Image, I guess) This strikes me as a driver-Acrobat problem (not the first that we have encountered). I have tried the simple AppleWrite PS driver, with the same results. I am using W95, Acrobat Exchange 3.01. Any suggestions from anyone? Regards, Patrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Patrick W. Daly Tel. [+49] 5556-979-279 Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie Fax. [+49] 5556-979-240 Max-Planck-Str. 2 D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau Internet: daly@linmpi.mpg.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 4 05:13:00 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28814 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03490 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:05:23 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03487 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:05:22 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl49.pi.net [145.220.204.49]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA08038; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:05:06 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:05:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <354D8946.2A389F7A@pi.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:24:22 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Colin Marquardt <941etcm@gwfs.stud.fh-jena.de> CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Security options with pdfTeX? References: <199805031533.RAA27556@gw4s.stud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Colin Marquardt wrote: > to make it short: is there a possibility to set security options as > shown by Acrobat Reader, e.g. allow selection of text/graphics, allow > printing? As far as I know, this is a job for exchange (due to the fact that optional encryption needs a new pass over the file). > Also, the "optimized" flag should be set to true if compiled with a > \pdfcompresslevel > 0 (or is there an explicit definition of what > "optimized" is?). Web-optimized, i.e. more page independant. This multi-pass optimization is beyond pdftex. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 4 06:03:13 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00031 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 06:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03698 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:58:57 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03695 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:58:31 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22730; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:57:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02366; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:57:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805041157.NAA02366@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Trouble printing pdf's with png In-Reply-To: <98050410160619@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> from "P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany" at "May 4, 98 10:16:06 am" To: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:57:29 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > After experimenting with pdftex (web2c/win32 version) and making sure I have > all the fonts and pdftex.cfg as I want it, I started to use it seriously. > > But now I have encountered a problem with imported graphics, .png files. I > suspect the problem is more with Acrobat, but I would like to hear if I am > doing something dumb. > > I convert an eps (vector plot) file to png with Ghostscript. I can view this > png file nicely with CorelPhotoPaint and MS Photo Editor. It seems to be > okay. > > I include it in a LaTeX file with the pdftex.def driver for graphics. > > I view the result with Acrobat, still okay. > > But when I print it to a PostScript printer, nothing comes out. > > Instead, I send the PostScript output to a file, and view it with Ghostview. > It complains. I look at the resulting file myself and discover that where the > image appears, I have > BI > /Width 650 > /Height 760 > /BitsPerComponent 8 > /ColorSpace /DeviceGray > /Filter [/ASCII85Decode /LZWDecode ] > ID > (here comes Ascii coded binary stuff) > EI > > > I notice that text is bracketed by commands BT ... ET > (Begin Text ... End Text I presume), and both BT and ET are defined in the > PostScript file; but BI and EI are not (Begin Image End Image, I guess) > > This strikes me as a driver-Acrobat problem (not the first that we have > encountered). I have tried the simple AppleWrite PS driver, with the same > results. > > I am using W95, Acrobat Exchange 3.01. Any suggestions from anyone? yes this problem has been reported. The reason is pdftex doesn't output the correct ProcSet, which caused that PNG images are displayed ok, but fails when printing. The latest version (0.12k) has fixed it. Thanh From owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Mon May 4 07:36:02 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02873 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04055 for tex-pretest-list; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:30:08 -0400 Received: from cs.umb.edu (cs.umb.edu [158.121.104.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04048 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:30:06 -0400 Received: from hub.cs.umb.edu (hub.cs.umb.edu [158.121.104.161]) by cs.umb.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25282 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kb@localhost) by hub.cs.umb.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14654; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805041330.JAA14654@hub.cs.umb.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:19:38 +0200 From: Koaunghi Un To: kb@tug.org CC: rokicki@cs.stanford.edu Subject: partial downloading + dvips{k} Sender: owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Precedence: bulk [forwarding --karl] I'm the author of Korean version of LaTeX. I'm actually using dvips(k) 5.78 from texk-distribution. I think my problem is not restricted to the (k) version, so I'm cc'ing this mail to the original author too. I've made lots of Korean ps fonts using private encoding scheme. This encoding is defined in the font file with "def", not with "readonly def". This was done by the font program, not by me. I think this is also a valid instruction for the definition of encoding in the ps font file. (please correct me, if not) I've not seen any problem with my fonts, 'till I've tried to partially download the fonts. The error message looks like: "First number not found ERROR in encoding vector" I've tried to find the reason in the source code of dvipsk, and found that dvipsk looks only for the word "readonly". (in the function, "EndOfEncoding" in the file t1part.c) And I've tried to modify t1part.c as follows and it seems to work without problem. --- ./t1part.c.orig Wed Feb 25 11:58:46 1998 +++ t1part.c Wed Apr 29 23:11:57 1998 @@ -1654,6 +1654,7 @@ "readonly", "getinterval", "exch", + "def", "" }; @@ -1679,6 +1680,7 @@ if(strcmp(token, RefKey[j]) ==0) break; } + if(j==3) j=0; switch(j) { case 0: This was once an issue in the Omega mailing list, as long as I can remember. Would you examine this modification and make clean solution for my problem? Thanks, -- Koaunghi Un (In Korean: @: 1$ Hq, k\ NC }w) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 4 13:30:51 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12733 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 13:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05442 for pdftex-list; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:24:59 -0400 Received: from math.ams.org (math.ams.org [130.44.210.14]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05439 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:24:57 -0400 Received: from SUN06.AMS.ORG by math.ams.org via smtpd (for tug.org [158.121.106.10]) with SMTP; 4 May 1998 19:24:58 UT Received: from mac038.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with SMTP id <0ESG00I2R5XB8X@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:25:18 -0400 From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Re: Anyone working on a Mac (PowerPC) port? To: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Cc: tjk@ams.org Message-id: <1676852.3103284318@mac038.ams.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.3.3, s/n P020-200112-003] Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, Tom Kiffe has informed me that he has a beta port of pdfTeX for the Macintosh. It may be obtained at: http://www.kiffe.com/ Here is part of the message he sent me: pdftex is available from the CMacTeX Web page. I want to emphasize that this very much a beta release. I have not tried to plug any of the numerous memory leaks common to most Unix programs. pdftex only supports type1 fonts in pfb format. If you have Macintosh printer fonts for the CM and AMS fonts, you will need to get the pfb versions from CTAN or wherever. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 5 08:59:15 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04141 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09688 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:43:43 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09685 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:43:36 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-4-22.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.84]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA21518 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:43:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <354F25F5.39A1B0B1@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:45:09 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ttf2afm.exe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have been experimenting with true type fonts with pdftex. So I use ttf2afm and afm2tfm and vptovf. I have a number of true type fonts from the Corel corp. which give a minor problem: vptovf complains that "real quantities must be less than 2048" (or some such error message). Looking in the afm file that ttf2afm produces, I find some bizarre looking values for CapHeight, XHeight and Ascender. I don't mind if XHeight is not quite the same as the actual height of an X, but surely it should be 100 times the height of an X. e.g., here are the first few lines of one of the afm files I got: Comment Converted at Mon Apr 13 17:23:00 1998 by ttf2afm from font file `\windows\fonts\avalonn.ttf' StartFontMetrics 2.0 FontName AvalonPlain FullName Avalon Notice Copyright (c) 1992 Corel Corporation. All Rights Reserved. ItalicAngle 0 IsFixedPitch false FontBBox -75 -230 1149 988 UnderlinePosition -100 UnderlineThickness 50 CapHeight 4108 XHeight 64008 Ascender 3088 Descender -876 StartCharMetrics 213 C 6 ; WX 750 ; N .notdef ; B 125 0 625 625 ; C 6 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 304 0 368 739 ; C 6 ; WX 0 ; N CR ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 6 ; WX 386 ; N brokenbar ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 6 ; WX 332 ; N twosuperior ; B 11 297 320 746 ; C 6 ; WX 332 ; N threesuperior ; B 11 289 320 748 ; C 6 ; WX 332 ; N onesuperior ; B 97 297 231 739 ; C 6 ; WX 830 ; N onequarter ; B 102 0 804 739 ; When I changed the too large values for CapHeight, XHeight and Ascender to some randomly chosen smaller values I got a virtual font that I could use and seemed OK. But I'm worried that some of TeX's font parameters will be set inappropriately. My question is this: is ttf2afm actually working correctly (meaning that the ttf files I'm using have some rather strange values for these parameters), and are the values for CapHeight, XHeight and Ascender used in a significant way by afm2tfm? Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 5 13:36:19 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11671 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10879 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:23:50 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10876 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:23:48 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06710 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:23:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA10727 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805051923.VAA10727@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex manual To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've done some changes in pdftex manual. Please have a look at it at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/manual.pdf and let me know your suggestions on it; what to add/remove/change. Many thanks in advance for any suggestion. Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 5 14:00:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12284 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11011 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:54:44 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11008 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:54:42 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07497 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:54:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA11834 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:54:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805051954.VAA11834@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12l To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:54:37 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, there is a bug in virtual font processing in pdftex-0.12k, which has been reported by Jiri. So I've updated pdftex to 0.12l, which has this bug fixed. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 5 17:22:57 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17513 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11835 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:20:29 -0400 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11832 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:20:26 -0400 Received: from comexch.auckland.ac.nz (comexch.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.96.114]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.5/8.7.3-ua) with ESMTP id LAA23833 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:20:16 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199805052320.LAA23833@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Received: by comexch.auckland.ac.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:25:03 +1200 From: "Hillas, John" To: "'pdftex mailing list'" Subject: RE: pdftex manual Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:23:48 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanks for the new manual. I had some trouble printing the document from Acrobat Exchange. In particular pages 4,5, and 9 won't print. If I print page 4 (and I assume 5 and 9, though I haven't checked) to a file and try to view with gsview then ghostscript fails with the following messages Loaded Ghostscript DLL D:\gstools\gs5.10\gsdll32.dll Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) Copyright (C) 1997 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights reserved. This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. Displaying DSC file D:/Temp/mantest.ps without pages Unrecoverable error: undefined in BI Operand stack: --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --- Begin offending input --- 0 Td [(+)-248 (2)]TJ /N29 9.96 Tf 17.67 0 Td [(\002)]TJ /N28 9.96 Tf 10.21 0 Td [(\(1)]TJ /N30 9.96 Tf 8.86 0 Td [(in)]TJ /N28 9.96 Tf 11.88 0 Td [(+)]TJ /N16 9.96 Tf 10.21 0 Td [(\\hoffset)]TJ /N28 9.96 Tf 41.85 0 Td [(\))]TJ /N9 9.96 --- End offending input --- file offset = 169216 gsdll_execute_cont returns -21 Looking at the pages that don't print it appears that the problem is with the type 3 fonts (and possibly just with the one that Acrobat thinks is called F8. I don't see where it is on page 9, but Acrobat thinks it is there. Also on page 4 the numbers in line 3 are from the type 3 font. Why/how idi that happen? ---------- From: Han The Thanh[SMTP:thanh@informatics.muni.cz] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 7:24 AM To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex manual Hi all, I've done some changes in pdftex manual. Please have a look at it at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/manual.pdf and let me know your suggestions on it; what to add/remove/change. Many thanks in advance for any suggestion. Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 5 17:54:09 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18303 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11950 for pdftex-list; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:51:07 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11947 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:51:05 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06393; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:50:03 -0500 Message-ID: <354FA525.78AB6FF1@iws-irms.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:47:49 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hillas, John" CC: "'pdftex mailing list'" Subject: Re: pdftex manual References: <199805052320.LAA23833@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk It printed fine here (Acrobat Reader as a Netscape plugin, Windoze NT 4.0 sp3, Intel). No errors. Glauber Hillas, John wrote: > > Thanks for the new manual. I had some trouble printing > the document from Acrobat Exchange. In particular > pages 4,5, and 9 won't print. If I print page 4 (and I assume > 5 and 9, though I haven't checked) to a file and try to view with > gsview then ghostscript fails with the following messages > > Loaded Ghostscript DLL D:\gstools\gs5.10\gsdll32.dll > Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) > Copyright (C) 1997 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA. All rights > reserved. > This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details. > Displaying DSC file D:/Temp/mantest.ps without pages > Unrecoverable error: undefined in BI > Operand stack: > --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- > > --- Begin offending input --- > 0 Td > [(+)-248 (2)]TJ > /N29 9.96 Tf > 17.67 0 Td > [(\002)]TJ > /N28 9.96 Tf > 10.21 0 Td > [(\(1)]TJ > /N30 9.96 Tf > 8.86 0 Td > [(in)]TJ > /N28 9.96 Tf > 11.88 0 Td > [(+)]TJ > /N16 9.96 Tf > 10.21 0 Td > [(\\hoffset)]TJ > /N28 9.96 Tf > 41.85 0 Td > [(\))]TJ > /N9 9.96 > --- End offending input --- > file offset = 169216 > gsdll_execute_cont returns -21 > > Looking at the pages that don't print it appears that the problem is > with the > type 3 fonts (and possibly just with the one that Acrobat thinks is > called F8. > I don't see where it is on page 9, but Acrobat thinks it is there. Also > on page 4 > the numbers in line 3 are from the type 3 font. Why/how idi that > happen? > > ---------- > From: Han The Thanh[SMTP:thanh@informatics.muni.cz] > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 7:24 AM > To: pdftex@tug.org > Subject: pdftex manual > > Hi all, > > I've done some changes in pdftex manual. Please have a look at > it at > > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/manual.pdf > and let me know your suggestions on it; what to > add/remove/change. Many thanks > in advance for any suggestion. > > Cheers, > Thanh -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 5 23:10:11 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24604 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA13099 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:06:11 -0400 Received: from vyvoj.vyvoj (jablovyv.dial-up.cz [193.179.205.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13096 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:06:02 -0400 Received: from osoba.vyvoj (osoba.vyvoj [192.168.1.38]) by vyvoj.vyvoj with SMTP id HAA01360 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6 for ); Wed, 6 May 1998 07:11:37 +0200 Message-ID: <199805060511.HAA01360@vyvoj.vyvoj> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:05:43 +0200 Subject: RE: pdftex manual Reply-to: Jiri Osoba X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 6 May 98 at 11:23, Hillas, John wrote: > Thanks for the new manual. I had some trouble printing > the document from Acrobat Exchange. In particular (...) > Aladdin Ghostscript 5.10 (1997-11-23) (...) > Unrecoverable error: undefined in BI Oh, I tryed pdftex manual (with /Producer (pdfTeX-0.12k)) and I can't print it to PostScript printer. Few days ago was this problem reportet and Than wrote: > yes this problem has been reported. The reason is pdftex doesn't > output the correct ProcSet, which caused that PNG images are > displayed ok, but fails when printing. The latest version (0.12k) > has fixed it. ??? Jiri. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 03:54:32 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20637 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14161 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:48:51 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14158 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:48:48 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07713; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:47:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01528; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:47:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805060947.LAA01528@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex manual In-Reply-To: <199805052320.LAA23833@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> from "Hillas, John" at "May 6, 98 11:23:48 am" To: j.hillas@auckland.ac.nz (Hillas John) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:47:40 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX), zlatuska@anxur.fi.muni.cz (Jiri Zlatuska) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Looking at the pages that don't print it appears that the problem is > with the > type 3 fonts (and possibly just with the one that Acrobat thinks is > called F8. > I don't see where it is on page 9, but Acrobat thinks it is there. Also > on page 4 > the numbers in line 3 are from the type 3 font. Why/how idi that > happen? yes it's caused by Type 3 font indeed. I'll fix it soon. BTW, does anyone know how to force (pdf)latex use a specific encoding? I have `\usepackage[OT1]{fontenc}' in the preamble, however it still uses the font `csr10' (which is the Czech/Slovak variant of CM font) somewhere. The format was generated with `cslatex' stuff, which is Czech/Slovak localization for latex2e. Re-generating the format with OT1 as the default encoding didn't help. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 04:41:46 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA21651 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 04:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14326 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:33:17 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14323 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:33:03 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11223 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:31:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03405 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:31:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805061031.MAA03405@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: manual To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:31:31 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've re-pdftexed the manual without use of T3 fonts. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 04:46:53 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA21771 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 04:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14333 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:33:55 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14328 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:33:51 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06821 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:37:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00743; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:37:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805060937.LAA00743@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: ttf2afm.exe In-Reply-To: <354F25F5.39A1B0B1@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 6, 98 00:45:09 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:37:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have been experimenting with true type fonts with pdftex. > So I use ttf2afm and afm2tfm and vptovf. > I have a number of true type fonts from the Corel corp. which > give a minor problem: vptovf complains that "real quantities must > be less than 2048" (or some such error message). Looking in the > afm file that ttf2afm produces, I find some bizarre looking values > for CapHeight, XHeight and Ascender. I don't mind if XHeight is > not quite the same as the actual height of an X, but surely it > should be 100 times the height of an X. > > e.g., here are the first few lines of one of the afm files > I got: > > Comment Converted at Mon Apr 13 17:23:00 1998 by ttf2afm from font file > `\windows\fonts\avalonn.ttf' > StartFontMetrics 2.0 > FontName AvalonPlain > FullName Avalon > Notice Copyright (c) 1992 Corel Corporation. All Rights Reserved. > ItalicAngle 0 > IsFixedPitch false > FontBBox -75 -230 1149 988 > UnderlinePosition -100 > UnderlineThickness 50 > CapHeight 4108 > XHeight 64008 > Ascender 3088 > Descender -876 > > StartCharMetrics 213 > C 6 ; WX 750 ; N .notdef ; B 125 0 625 625 ; > C 6 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 304 0 368 739 ; > C 6 ; WX 0 ; N CR ; B 0 0 0 0 ; > C 6 ; WX 386 ; N brokenbar ; B 0 0 0 0 ; > C 6 ; WX 332 ; N twosuperior ; B 11 297 320 746 ; > C 6 ; WX 332 ; N threesuperior ; B 11 289 320 748 ; > C 6 ; WX 332 ; N onesuperior ; B 97 297 231 739 ; > C 6 ; WX 830 ; N onequarter ; B 102 0 804 739 ; > > > When I changed the too large values for CapHeight, XHeight and > Ascender to some randomly chosen smaller values I got a virtual > font that I could use and seemed OK. But I'm worried that some > of TeX's font parameters will be set inappropriately. > My question is this: is ttf2afm actually working correctly (meaning > that the ttf files I'm using have some rather strange values > for these parameters), and are the values for CapHeight, XHeight > and Ascender used in a significant way by afm2tfm? it might be a bug of ttf2afm. To check whether this is a bug of ttf2afm, you can use ttfdump.exe to dump the font to text format (available at http://www.microsoft.com/typography/tools/ttfdump1.zip). I'd like to do the checking, but I don't have the font. In general a AFM file without CapHeight, XHeight etc. doesn't hurt. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 05:49:42 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23298 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 05:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14568 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 07:40:59 -0400 Received: from ns1.eds.com (ns1.eds.com [192.85.154.78]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14565 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 07:40:58 -0400 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01338 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 07:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ew160061.nets.de.eds.com (ew160061.nets.de.eds.com [134.46.6.36]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21370 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 07:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from n15ux24.nets.de.eds.com (n15ux24.nets.de.eds.com [206.122.103.15]) by ew160061.nets.de.eds.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03168 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 07:14:37 GMT Message-Id: <199805060714.HAA03168@ew160061.nets.de.eds.com> Received: by n15ux24.nets.de.eds.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA266044818; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:40:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:40:18 +0200 From: Frank Mittelbach To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Subject: Re: pdftex manual In-Reply-To: <199805060947.LAA01528@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199805052320.LAA23833@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> <199805060947.LAA01528@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh writes: > yes it's caused by Type 3 font indeed. I'll fix it soon. BTW, does anyone know > how to force (pdf)latex use a specific encoding? I have > > `\usepackage[OT1]{fontenc}' > > in the preamble, however it still uses the font `csr10' (which is the > Czech/Slovak variant of CM font) somewhere. The format was generated with > `cslatex' stuff, which is Czech/Slovak localization for latex2e. Re-generating > the format with OT1 as the default encoding didn't help. this is most likely because this localization doesn't use the official latex2e interfaces but lower-level private definitions. in that case the only chance for a portable document is to use an official latex2e and not one that claims to be LaTeX2e but hacks the interfaces and "enhances" the code while sacrifying portability. frank From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 06:40:00 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24603 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14747 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:30:55 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14744 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:30:44 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04663; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:30:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA14937; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:36:38 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:36:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805061236.OAA14937@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett), pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Subject: Re: ttf2afm.exe In-Reply-To: <199805060937.LAA00743@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <354F25F5.39A1B0B1@mail.usyd.edu.au> <199805060937.LAA00743@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk BTW, concerning cyberbit.ttf, ttf2afm says: StartCharMetrics 26218 but only lists 1106 of them. Someone told me that the font actually has around 26,000 glyphs. Why?? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 06:41:51 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24641 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14770 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:35:45 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14767 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:35:42 -0400 Received: from Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk ([134.219.100.248]) by vms.rhbnc.ac.uk with SMTP; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:09 +0100 Message-ID: <355057E2.DFC6528B@Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:30:26 +0000 From: Philip TAYLOR Organization: Royal Holloway and Bedford New College (Univ. of London) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: the pdfTeX manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanh : I've looked very briefly at the pdfTeX manual over lunch, and I have a couple of queries: 1) page_{width|height} are defined to default to a value which includes 1" as a constant, yet {h|v}origin can be specified as any value. Might it make more sense to use {h|v}origin rather than 1" in the formula for page_{width|height} ? 2) The last-page reference to "encapsulated PDF" : is the URL http://beta1.adobe.com/ada/acrosdk/libraries.html, which concerns "placed PDF", significant here ? Have, in fact, Adobe already announced "encapsulated PDF" but chosen to call it "placed PDF" ? ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 08:13:43 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27321 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15123 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:06:01 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15117 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:05:57 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29323; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:05:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16652; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:05:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805061405.QAA16652@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: ttf2afm.exe In-Reply-To: <199805061236.OAA14937@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "May 6, 98 02:36:38 pm" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:05:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > BTW, concerning cyberbit.ttf, ttf2afm says: > StartCharMetrics 26218 > > but only lists 1106 of them. Someone told me that the font actually > has around 26,000 glyphs. Why?? the font has 26218 glyphs, but only 1106 of them have their name. I will update ttf2afm soon. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 09:37:34 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00757 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15466 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:29:14 -0400 Received: from dax.cc.uakron.edu (uakron.edu [130.101.5.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15463 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:29:10 -0400 Received: from story.mathsci-tn.uakron.edu (story.mathsci-tn.uakron.edu [130.101.87.33]) by dax.cc.uakron.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05004 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805061529.LAA05004@dax.cc.uakron.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "D.P.Story" Organization: The University of Akron To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:29:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Test Reply-to: story@uakron.edu X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Let it be known throughout the world that I have subscribed to this list. I'm looking forward to learning more about pdftex and how to modify my own macros for use with it. dps D. P. Story Department of Mathematical Sciences The University of Akron Akron, OH 44325 e-mail: dpstory@uakron.edu telephone: (330) 972-7514 e-Calculus: Calculus I tutorial on the Web. Written in TeX and converted to PDF http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/e-calculus.html And, ... An Algebra Review on 10 Lessons TeX to PDF http://www.math.uakron.edu/~dpstory/mpt_home.html From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 10:31:40 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02892 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15263 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:45:08 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15260 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:45:03 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02410; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:45:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19609; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:44:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805061444.QAA19609@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: the pdfTeX manual In-Reply-To: <355057E2.DFC6528B@Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk> from Philip TAYLOR at "May 6, 98 12:30:26 pm" To: Uhaa006@Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk (Philip TAYLOR) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:44:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Phil, > Thanh : I've looked very briefly at the pdfTeX manual over > lunch, and I have a couple of queries: > > 1) page_{width|height} are defined to default to a value > which includes 1" as a constant, yet {h|v}origin can > be specified as any value. Might it make more sense to > use {h|v}origin rather than 1" in the formula > for page_{width|height} ? yes, this should be described a little more specific. I'll update it. > > 2) The last-page reference to "encapsulated PDF" : is the > URL http://beta1.adobe.com/ada/acrosdk/libraries.html, > which concerns "placed PDF", significant here ? Have, > in fact, Adobe already announced "encapsulated PDF" > but chosen to call it "placed PDF" ? Hm... in fact if we have a PDF parser, we can ignore irelevant info in PDF file, so it should be the same for PDF or EPDF or placed PDF. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 14:27:04 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12209 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16633 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:21:28 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16630 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:21:26 -0400 Subject: Is this a bug or a feature ? To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:21:26 +0100 (BST) From: Timothy Murphy X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9805062121.aa23429@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I notice that the following file: ======================== \documentclass[12pt,a4paper]{article} \usepackage{times} \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} \begin{document} Just a test: \includegraphics[width=4cm]{tcdarms.ps} \end{document} ======================== leads to the warning "pcrr8r at 720 not found" as it tries to print "tcdarms.ps" in the space for the graphic . [I understand that it does not like .ps files , but why is it apparently looking for a PK file to print the name of the file ?] From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 16:14:49 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16076 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17017 for pdftex-list; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:58:09 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17014 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:58:08 -0400 Received: from HAL9000.ese-metz.fr (ppp1.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.221]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29704 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:57:56 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:57:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805062157.XAA29704@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> From: Fabrice POPINEAU To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex 0.12l win32 Reply-to: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk is available from the usual location: ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/TeX/win32/pdftex-0.12l-win32.zip Fabrice Popineau From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 6 23:57:19 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07297 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18754 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:53:49 -0400 Received: from math.feld.cvut.cz (newton.feld.cvut.cz [147.32.244.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18751 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:53:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (olsak@localhost) by math.feld.cvut.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA05478; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:53:40 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:53:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: Petr Olsak X-Sender: olsak@newton.feld.cvut.cz To: PDFTEX cc: Diskusni skupina CSTeX Subject: Re: pdftex manual In-Reply-To: <199805060714.HAA03168@ew160061.nets.de.eds.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 May 1998, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > Han The Thanh writes: > > > yes it's caused by Type 3 font indeed. I'll fix it soon. BTW, does anyone know > > how to force (pdf)latex use a specific encoding? I have > > > > `\usepackage[OT1]{fontenc}' > > > > in the preamble, however it still uses the font `csr10' (which is the > > Czech/Slovak variant of CM font) somewhere. The format was generated with > > `cslatex' stuff, which is Czech/Slovak localization for latex2e. Re-generating > > the format with OT1 as the default encoding didn't help. > > this is most likely because this localization doesn't use the official > latex2e interfaces but lower-level private definitions. > > in that case the only chance for a portable document is to use an > official latex2e and not one that claims to be LaTeX2e but hacks the > interfaces and "enhances" the code while sacrifying portability. > > frank If Frank only criticise the work on localisation of LaTeX in national specifics, then the negotiation about national problems will be very difficult. I will not present many and many arguments, why this "hack" was done, why this "hack" is more important for us than the "babelised solution", because this is another subject. I agree, this specific question have to be solved on cstex@cs.felk.cvut.cz list (see cc) with csLaTeX maintainers, but not with original LaTeX maintainers. Petr Olsak From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 7 00:10:40 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08594 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18816 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:08:13 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18813 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:08:12 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28606; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:08:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00025; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:08:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805070608.IAA00025@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Is this a bug or a feature ? In-Reply-To: <9805062121.aa23429@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> from Timothy Murphy at "May 6, 98 09:21:26 pm" To: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:08:08 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I notice that the following file: > > ======================== > \documentclass[12pt,a4paper]{article} > \usepackage{times} > \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} > \begin{document} > > Just a test: > > \includegraphics[width=4cm]{tcdarms.ps} > > \end{document} > ======================== > > leads to the warning "pcrr8r at 720 not found" > as it tries to print "tcdarms.ps" in the space for the graphic . > [I understand that it does not like .ps files , > but why is it apparently looking for a PK file > to print the name of the file ?] perhaps pcrr8r is not found in any map files, so pdftex tries to use pk font instead. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 7 00:49:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16184 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19127 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:44:50 -0400 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19124 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:44:46 -0400 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 May 1998 08:44:41 +0200 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 May 1998 08:44:33 +0200 Received: from orion.univie.ac.at by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id IAA09257; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:44:29 +0200 Received: from localhost (sx0005@localhost) by orion.univie.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00284; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:42:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: orion.univie.ac.at: sx0005 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:42:39 +0000 ( ) From: Werner Lemberg X-Sender: sx0005@orion.univie.ac.at Reply-To: Werner LEMBERG To: Thierry Bouche cc: PDFTEX Subject: Re: ttf2afm.exe In-Reply-To: <199805061236.OAA14937@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 May 1998, Thierry Bouche wrote: > BTW, concerning cyberbit.ttf, ttf2afm says: > StartCharMetrics 26218 > > but only lists 1106 of them. Someone told me that the font actually > has around 26,000 glyphs. Why?? This is one of the many undocumented features of TrueType: there can be less PostScript names in a TT font than glyphs. All unnamed glyphs must be accessed differently -- e.g. the ttf_edit program of TrueTeX (available for free from Richard Kinch), uses the names `.glyphindexXXXX' with XXXX a lowercase hecadecimal number. Werner From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 7 01:11:55 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20362 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA19219 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:07:38 -0400 Received: from relay1.jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA19216 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:07:36 -0400 Received: from tiger (tiger.jet.msk.su) [193.124.4.1] by relay1.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yXKm5-0002p2-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:07:25 +0400 Received: from goliath.service.jet.msk.su [192.168.10.29] (root) by tiger.jet.msk.su with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0yXKm4-0002ky-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:07:24 +0400 Received: from jet.msk.su by jet.msk.su ; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:07:23 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Petr Olsak cc: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pdftex manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:07:22 +0400 From: Boris Tobotras Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 07 May 1998 07:53:40 +0200, Petr Olsak wrote: > If Frank only criticise the work on localisation of LaTeX in national > specifics, then the negotiation about national problems will be very > difficult. I will not present many and many arguments, why this "hack" > was done, why this "hack" is more important for us than the "babelised > solution", because this is another subject. But this subject is extremely important for all non-English speakers, I believe. Can you please elaborate on that design decision in more appropriate place, c.t.t, probably or in private? > I agree, this specific question have to be solved on cstex@cs.felk.cvut.cz > list (see cc) with csLaTeX maintainers, but not with original LaTeX > maintainers. -- Best regards, -- Boris. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 7 04:12:34 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03053 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA19915 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:07:08 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19904 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:05:38 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01878 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:04:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA12392; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:04:38 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:04:38 +0200 Message-Id: <199805071004.MAA12392@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex manual From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk It's a sad conincidence that the revised version of the pdfTeX manual was issued at about the same time when TUGboat 18#4 finally arrived, bringing an outdated and potentially misleading version of the manual to the homes of all TUG members. Anyway, here are some comments on the recent version: * sec. 2.1: getting sources and binaries It should be pointed out that the Linux binary is apparently compiled for the new libc-6 (aka GNU glibc-2.0), which will not run for users of older Linux installation still based on libc-5. * sec. 2.2: compiling If you happen to have a previously configured source tree and just install a new version of pdfTeX, you can avoid running configure from the top-level directory. It's quicker to run config.status, which will just regenerate the Makefiles based on config.cache cd web2c-7.2/web2c sh config.status make pdftex * sec. 2.9: common problems "! Fatal format file error; I'm stymied." This appears if you forgot to regenerate the .fmt files after installing a new version of the pdftex binary and pdftex.pool (it happened for me, when installed 0.12k over 0.12f) "! TEX.POOL doesn't match; TANGLE me again!" "! tex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path)." This might appear if you forgot to install the proper pdftex.pool when installing a new version of the pdftex binary. (Actually, the tex.pool file name seems to be hard-wired in tex.ch, and pdftex.ch doesn't seem to have changed it.) * sec. 3.1: map files I get the impression from pdftexdir/mapfile.c that the font flags aren't acutally used any more. They are still allowed to appear, but are just skipped over for compatibility with old map files. Is this correct? If so, the discussion of font flags should better be left out in the new manual. Furthermore, shouldn't the new manual mention that you can now use the same syntax as in the dvips psfonts.map file, including "SlantFont" and "ExtendFont"? Moreover, as far as I can tell, you can even rearange some of the columns in the map file. Some examples: * Using a built-in font and font-specific encoding, i.e. neither a download font nor an *.enc file: psyr Symbol psyro Symbol ".167 SlantFont" * Using a built-in font and reencoding (*.enc in the third column, preceded by "<" for compatibility with dvips map file syntax): ptmr8r Times-Roman <8r.enc ptmri8r Times-Italic <8r.enc ptmro8r Times-Roman <8r.enc ".167 SlantFont" alternatively (*.enc in the fourth column): ptmro8r Times-Roman ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc or even with ignored text in between: ptmro8r Times-Roman ".167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc * Using a downloaded font and reencoding (*.enc in the third column, *.pfb in the fourth column, "SlantFont" in the fifth column): putr8r Utopia-Regular <8r.enc ; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA19931 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:10:11 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19928 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:10:08 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01882 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:09:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA12394; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:09:28 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:09:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199805071009.MAA12394@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ttf2afm problems From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk After discovering that Solaris 2.6 comes with a bunch of interesting Monotype TrueType fonts in /usr/openwin/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType, I've experimenting with ttf2afm. However, there seem to be some problems: 1. Running tt2afm .ttf without any *.enc files As far as I understand the manual, this should leave all characters unassigned (i.e. C -1 in the AFM file), so that they can be made available by reencoding. This only seems to work in some cases: $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf assigns all characters to C -1 $ ttf2afm CourierNew.ttf assigns all characters to C 6 (see samples below) Another problem: /.notdef has a bounding box of zero, but a non-zero width, /.null has a width of zero, but a non-zero bounding box, /space has a non-zero width, but a bounding box of zero, /exclam has a non-zero width, but a bounding box of zero. While the first two might or might not be ok, the last one seems to be clealy an error. Could this be some off-by-one bug? 2. Running ttf2afm with a map file: $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf produces 242 char metrics, i.e. everything in the font $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf 8a.enc produces 145 char metrics and 4 missing glyph warnings $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf 8r.enc produces 221 char metrics and 9 missing glpyh warnings The problem here: all the unencoded characters are dropped for 8a.enc while typical AFM files for Type1 fonts include the metrics of all 228 glyphs, of which a many glyphs are just mapped to -1, i.e. unencoded If you want to use the generated AFM file for running fontinst, dropping all the unencoded is certainly not what we want, since we cannot get them back by reencoding afterwards once they have vanished completely from the AFM files. It appears that something needs to be done for ttf2afm. Cheers, Ulrik. P.S. Regarding the spelling, run: sed s/glpyh/glyph/g I seem to be mistyping this particular word far too often. ;-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Comment Converted at Wed May 6 22:07:35 1998 by ttf2afm from font file `TimesNewRoman.ttf' StartFontMetrics 2.0 FontName TimesNewRomanPSMT FullName Times New Roman Notice Typeface $(C) (BThe Monotype Corporation plc. Data $(C) (BThe Monotype Corporation plc/Type Solutions I nc. 1990-1992. All Rights Reserved ItalicAngle 0 IsFixedPitch false FontBBox -166 -215 1008 912 UnderlinePosition -223 UnderlineThickness 100 CapHeight 1356 XHeight 916 Ascender 1825 Descender -443 StartCharMetrics 242 C -1 ; WX 777 ; N .notdef ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C -1 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 111 -13 221 677 ; C -1 ; WX 250 ; N nonmarkingreturn ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C -1 ; WX 250 ; N space ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C -1 ; WX 333 ; N exclam ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C -1 ; WX 408 ; N quotedbl ; B 64 392 341 677 ; C -1 ; WX 500 ; N numbersign ; B 18 -13 481 677 ; C -1 ; WX 500 ; N dollar ; B 52 -76 449 717 ; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Comment Converted at Wed May 6 22:08:38 1998 by ttf2afm from font file `CourierNew.ttf' StartFontMetrics 2.0 FontName CourierNewPSMT FullName Courier New Notice Typeface $(C) (BThe Monotype Corporation plc. Data $(C) (BThe Monotype Corporation plc/Type Solutions I nc. 1990-1994. All Rights Reserved ItalicAngle 0 IsFixedPitch true FontBBox -13 -273 637 782 UnderlinePosition -477 UnderlineThickness 84 Ascender 1705 Descender -615 StartCharMetrics 242 C 6 ; WX 600 ; N .notdef ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 6 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 239 -14 360 627 ; C 6 ; WX 600 ; N nonmarkingreturn ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 6 ; WX 600 ; N space ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 6 ; WX 600 ; N exclam ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 6 ; WX 600 ; N quotedbl ; B 129 331 469 602 ; C 6 ; WX 600 ; N numbersign ; B 91 -63 508 657 ; C 6 ; WX 600 ; N dollar ; B 111 -93 488 664 ; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 7 06:54:03 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA06963 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA20526 for pdftex-list; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:43:42 -0400 Received: from panter.icpf.cas.cz (panter.icpf.cas.cz [147.231.136.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20523 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:43:37 -0400 Received: from KAIM1.icpf.cas.cz by panter.icpf.cas.cz with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id JPM93F08; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:40:15 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:42:25 +0200 (Central Europe Daylight Time) From: Zdenek Wagner To: Diskusni skupina CSTeX cc: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pdftex manual In-Reply-To: <199805070554.HAA15030@ns.felk.cvut.cz> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: wagner@beba.cesnet.cz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 May 1998, Petr Olsak wrote: > Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:53:55 +0100 > From: Petr Olsak > Reply-To: csTeX@cs.felk.cvut.cz > To: PDFTEX > Cc: Diskusni skupina CSTeX > Subject: Re: pdftex manual > > > > On Wed, 6 May 1998, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > > > Han The Thanh writes: > > > > > yes it's caused by Type 3 font indeed. I'll fix it soon. BTW, does anyone know > > > how to force (pdf)latex use a specific encoding? I have > > > > > > `\usepackage[OT1]{fontenc}' > > > > > > in the preamble, however it still uses the font `csr10' (which is the > > > Czech/Slovak variant of CM font) somewhere. The format was generated with > > > `cslatex' stuff, which is Czech/Slovak localization for latex2e. Re-generating > > > the format with OT1 as the default encoding didn't help. > > > > this is most likely because this localization doesn't use the official > > latex2e interfaces but lower-level private definitions. > > > > in that case the only chance for a portable document is to use an > > official latex2e and not one that claims to be LaTeX2e but hacks the > > interfaces and "enhances" the code while sacrifying portability. > > > > frank > > If Frank only criticise the work on localisation of LaTeX in national > specifics, then the negotiation about national problems will be very > difficult. I will not present many and many arguments, why this "hack" > was done, why this "hack" is more important for us than the "babelised > solution", because this is another subject. > > I agree, this specific question have to be solved on cstex@cs.felk.cvut.cz > list (see cc) with csLaTeX maintainers, but not with original LaTeX > maintainers. > > Petr Olsak > First I would like to say that localization of LaTeX2e, known as cslatex, is important. Without it almost all Czech and Slovak users of former LaTeX 2.09 would lose the backward compatibility with older documents. Usage of fonts is another matter. The above mentioned command \usepackage[OT1]{fontenc} *must* change the font encoding to OT1 and use Knuth's cm fonts -- and it did so several years ago when I localized LaTeX. Conclusion: 1. Localization to cslatex is necessary 2. The current localized cslatex contains a bug For conversion to PDF (I use Adobe Distiller because there is no native OS/2 version of pdftex yet) I have VF scripts which replace our CS fonts with CM fonts, thus hyphenation is correct and Type 1 CM fonts are used in PDF. They are not fully tested but I can send them for testing to anyone (without any warranty). > Zdenek Wagner E. Hala Laboratory of Thermodynamics, Institute of Chemical Process Fundamentals of the Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic e-mail:wagner@mbox.cesnet.cz or wagner@icpf.cas.cz Local editor of the Bulletin of the Czech and Slovak TeX Users Group, member of the CSTUG board e-mail:Zdenek.Wagner@cstug.cz or bulletin@cstug.cz or zpravodaj@cstug.cz see also http://www.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/ http://www.cstug.cz/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 02:01:53 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26348 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA25083 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:56:42 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25080 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:56:41 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02222; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:56:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14342; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:56:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805080756.JAA14342@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex manual In-Reply-To: <199805071004.MAA12392@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> from Ulrik Vieth at "May 7, 98 12:04:38 pm" To: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (Ulrik Vieth) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:56:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, here are some comments on the recent version: > .... > many thanks for the very useful comments. I'll update the manual as soon as I get time. Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 02:03:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26425 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA25075 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:55:28 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25072 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:55:26 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02125; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:55:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14328; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:55:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805080755.JAA14328@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: ttf2afm problems In-Reply-To: <199805071009.MAA12394@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> from Ulrik Vieth at "May 7, 98 12:09:28 pm" To: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (Ulrik Vieth) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:55:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > After discovering that Solaris 2.6 comes with a bunch of interesting > Monotype TrueType fonts in /usr/openwin/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType, I've > experimenting with ttf2afm. However, there seem to be some problems: > > 1. Running tt2afm .ttf without any *.enc files > > As far as I understand the manual, this should leave all characters > unassigned (i.e. C -1 in the AFM file), so that they can be made > available by reencoding. This only seems to work in some cases: > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf assigns all characters to C -1 > $ ttf2afm CourierNew.ttf assigns all characters to C 6 > > (see samples below) > > Another problem: > > /.notdef has a bounding box of zero, but a non-zero width, > /.null has a width of zero, but a non-zero bounding box, > /space has a non-zero width, but a bounding box of zero, > /exclam has a non-zero width, but a bounding box of zero. > > While the first two might or might not be ok, the last one seems > to be clealy an error. Could this be some off-by-one bug? > > 2. Running ttf2afm with a map file: > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf > > produces 242 char metrics, i.e. everything in the font > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf 8a.enc > > produces 145 char metrics and 4 missing glyph warnings > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf 8r.enc > > produces 221 char metrics and 9 missing glpyh warnings > > The problem here: > > all the unencoded characters are dropped for 8a.enc while typical > AFM files for Type1 fonts include the metrics of all 228 glyphs, > of which a many glyphs are just mapped to -1, i.e. unencoded > > If you want to use the generated AFM file for running fontinst, > dropping all the unencoded is certainly not what we want, since > we cannot get them back by reencoding afterwards once they have > vanished completely from the AFM files. > > It appears that something needs to be done for ttf2afm. Thanks for your testing. I've added your mail to todo list. We can discuss it later. Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 07:23:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04648 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26256 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:14:44 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26253 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:14:38 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA13081; hop 0; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:09:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 8 May 1998 14:14:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:40:36 +0100 Message-ID: <2270-Fri08May1998014036+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <009b01bd784b$f2f896a0$0d472099@space.corp.adobe.com> References: <009b01bd784b$f2f896a0$0d472099@space.corp.adobe.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Carl Orthlieb (from Adobe) noted to me > ....but I do know that we do have an HTTP > stack embedded into Acrobat in the next release and forms submission can > therefore happen outside of the browser. > Which is excellent news, answering the problem Phil and Hans were discussing last week. What the ETA of Acrobat 4 is, I would not like to say, however. Carl said "this year" to me. I visited Adobe this week, and had some interesting talks about forms. I also completed the first draft of a LaTeX package to author forms, with PDF and HTML backends (the latter uses TeX4ht, the former pdfmarks; i haven't quite yet grasped forms in pdftex). in the light of D P Story's excellent articles on this subject, and of some comments at Adobe, I'll have to spend some days revising my package. but for now, how happy are people with markup like this? \documentclass{article} \usepackage{hyprform} \usepackage{pdfform} \begin{document} \begin{Form}[action=mailto:s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk,method=post] \parindent=0em \parskip=10pt \setkeys{Field}{labelwidth=1.5in} \TextField[width=3in,name=name,default={Sebastian Rahtz}]{Full name: } \TextField[multiline,width=1in,name=address, value={7 Stratfield Road, Oxford}]{Address: } \TextField[password,name=passw]{Enter password: } \CheckBox[checked]{Vegetarian} \CheckBox[name=sleep]{Light Sleeper} \CheckBox[name=access]{Need wheelchair access?} \ChoiceMenu[radio,default=Red,name=color] {Choose any one color: } {Red,{Green,Yellow},Blue} \PushButton[onclick={verify()}]{Eat me} \ChoiceMenu[default=Orange,menulength=3,width=2in,name=whatcolor] {Choose another color} {Black,White,Grey,Yellow,Green,Orange,Pink} \ChoiceMenu[combo,default=Salmon,name=whatfish] {Choose a fish} {Halibut,Turbot,Salmon,Swordfish/Sailfish} \ChoiceMenu[popdown,name=whatnumber,default=7] {Choose a number} {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} \Submit~\Reset \end{Form} \end{document} sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 07:26:40 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04728 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26241 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:13:22 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26236 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:13:20 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA12978; hop 0; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:08:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 8 May 1998 14:13:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:19:46 +0100 Message-ID: <3621-Fri08May1998011946+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: 941etcm@gwfs.stud.fh-jena.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Security options with pdfTeX? In-Reply-To: <354D8946.2A389F7A@pi.net> References: <199805031533.RAA27556@gw4s.stud> <354D8946.2A389F7A@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > > Web-optimized, i.e. more page independant. This multi-pass optimization > is beyond pdftex. > not technically. it could be done. but probably better done as a free-standing program sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 07:28:19 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04773 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26226 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:12:30 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26220 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:12:28 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA12883; hop 0; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:07:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 8 May 1998 14:12:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:01:28 +0100 Message-ID: <4383-Fri08May1998010128+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: 941etcm@gwfs.stud.fh-jena.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Security options with pdfTeX? In-Reply-To: <199805031533.RAA27556@gw4s.stud> References: <199805031533.RAA27556@gw4s.stud> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Colin Marquardt writes: > Also, the "optimized" flag should be set to true if compiled with a > \pdfcompresslevel > 0 (or is there an explicit definition of what > "optimized" is?). very much so. tens of pages of detailed specification. its a complex process. I gather one can buy a library from Adobe which would allow one to write a batch optimizer, but I haven't followed this up yet sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 07:30:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04863 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26266 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:15:37 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26261 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:15:21 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA13119; hop 0; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:10:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 8 May 1998 14:15:07 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:52:26 +0100 Message-ID: <8504-Fri08May1998015226+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Uhaa006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: the pdfTeX manual In-Reply-To: <355057E2.DFC6528B@Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk> References: <355057E2.DFC6528B@Vms.Rhbnc.Ac.Uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip TAYLOR writes: > URL http://beta1.adobe.com/ada/acrosdk/libraries.html, > which concerns "placed PDF", significant here ? Have, > in fact, Adobe already announced "encapsulated PDF" > but chosen to call it "placed PDF" ? no. placed PDF does not solve `our' questions. on the other hand, the pdf library itself is more interesting, as it could be used to build an optimizer (I am pretty sure) sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 09:10:41 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08973 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26614 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:50:10 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26611 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:50:02 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-12-58.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.120]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA28906; Sat, 9 May 1998 00:49:34 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35531BE7.3C85CC61@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 00:51:19 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: ttf2afm.exe References: <199805060937.LAA00743@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > > I have been experimenting with true type fonts with pdftex. > > So I use ttf2afm and afm2tfm and vptovf. > > I have a number of true type fonts from the Corel corp. which > > give a minor problem: vptovf complains that "real quantities must > > be less than 2048" (or some such error message). Looking in the > > afm file that ttf2afm produces, I find some bizarre looking values > > for CapHeight, XHeight and Ascender. I don't mind if XHeight is > > not quite the same as the actual height of an X, but surely it > > should be 100 times the height of an X. (I meant "surely it should NOT be") > > > > e.g., here are the first few lines of one of the afm files > > I got: > > > > Comment Converted at Mon Apr 13 17:23:00 1998 by ttf2afm from font file > > `\windows\fonts\avalonn.ttf' > > StartFontMetrics 2.0 > > FontName AvalonPlain > > FullName Avalon > > Notice Copyright (c) 1992 Corel Corporation. All Rights Reserved. > > ItalicAngle 0 > > IsFixedPitch false > > FontBBox -75 -230 1149 988 > > UnderlinePosition -100 > > UnderlineThickness 50 > > CapHeight 4108 > > XHeight 64008 > > Ascender 3088 > > Descender -876 > > > > StartCharMetrics 213 > > C 6 ; WX 750 ; N .notdef ; B 125 0 625 625 ; > > C 6 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 304 0 368 739 ; > > C 6 ; WX 0 ; N CR ; B 0 0 0 0 ; > > C 6 ; WX 386 ; N brokenbar ; B 0 0 0 0 ; > > C 6 ; WX 332 ; N twosuperior ; B 11 297 320 746 ; > > C 6 ; WX 332 ; N threesuperior ; B 11 289 320 748 ; > > C 6 ; WX 332 ; N onesuperior ; B 97 297 231 739 ; > > C 6 ; WX 830 ; N onequarter ; B 102 0 804 739 ; > > > > > > When I changed the too large values for CapHeight, XHeight and > > Ascender to some randomly chosen smaller values I got a virtual > > font that I could use and seemed OK. But I'm worried that some > > of TeX's font parameters will be set inappropriately. > > My question is this: is ttf2afm actually working correctly (meaning > > that the ttf files I'm using have some rather strange values > > for these parameters), and are the values for CapHeight, XHeight > > and Ascender used in a significant way by afm2tfm? > > it might be a bug of ttf2afm. To check whether this is a bug of ttf2afm, you can > use ttfdump.exe to dump the font to text format (available at > http://www.microsoft.com/typography/tools/ttfdump1.zip). I'd like to do the > checking, but I don't have the font. > > In general a AFM file without CapHeight, XHeight etc. doesn't hurt. > > Thanh ttfdump.exe reports that xHeight, capHeight and Ascender are just the same as ttf2afm said. I don't know what xHeight 64008 actually means though -- 64008 what? I'll just delete these lines from the afm file. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 09:19:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09339 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26706 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:09:05 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26700 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:08:59 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-12-58.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.120]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA02070 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 01:08:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35532071.B94C137E@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 01:10:41 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: true-type fonts etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk pdftex 0.12l is apparently handling true-type fonts a little differently from what pdftex 0.12i did. The pdf files I made using 0.12i had the property that acroread's reaction to them varied depending on whether or not the true-type fonts involved were installed or not. The pdf files I make with 0.12l appear the same (with acroread) irrespective of whether or not the fonts are installed. This is certainly an improvement! Unfortunately, they still don't appear the way I want them to, or as GSview displays them. I've got two example files: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/a.pdf made using pdftex 0.i2i, and http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/b.pdf made using pdftex 0.12l. They are very similar, but a.pdf displays differently with acroread depending on whether Comic Sans MS is installed or not, while b.pdf does not exhibit this dependence. (So b.pdf just looks wrong all the time!) I've got no idea which of the minimal differences between the two files are significant. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 8 21:42:05 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06752 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 21:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29388 for pdftex-list; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:39:49 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA29385 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 23:39:48 -0400 Received: from graves.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 9 May 98 04:39:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Page numbers in pdflatex To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 04:39:47 +0100 (BST) From: Timothy Murphy X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9805090439.aa25335@graves.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I'd like to define page numbers by \renewcommand{\thepage}{\arabic{chapter}--\arabic{page}} starting each chapter with page number 1. Unfortunately this throws up warnings such as Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier already exists! [7] at the end of each page. I thought I could get round this by \usepackage[hypertex,plainpages=false]{hyperref} but evidently not. Is there any simple way of allowing this ? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 10 10:40:23 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05458 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04290 for pdftex-list; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:34:39 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04287 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:34:38 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17081 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:34:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23070 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:34:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805101634.SAA23070@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: What do you think of it? To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:34:31 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I would be appreciated very much if you can have a look at the following file ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/t.pdf and let me know your comments on it. This is a double-columns typeset, and what I wonder is whether you can see any difference see between the left and the right column. Thanks in advance for any comments, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 00:07:24 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23917 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA07060 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:04:04 -0400 Received: from linpwd (linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de [134.76.28.202]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA07057 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:04:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:03:38 +0200 Message-Id: <98051108033873@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de> From: daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de (P.W.Daly, MPAe, Lindau, Germany) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: What do you think of it? X-VMS-To: SMTP%"pdftex@tug.org" X-VMS-Cc: DALY Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I would be appreciated very much if you can have a look at the following file > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/t.pdf > and let me know your comments on it. This is a double-columns typeset, and what > I wonder is whether you can see any difference see between the left and the > right column. They look superficially the same to me, except that the right hand column appears slightly darker. I printed 3 pages and looked more closely on paper: I would say the left column is indeed fainter. It is like the difference between the cx 300dpi and the ljfour 600dpi fonts. The left side is okay, but I would rather have the right one if I had a choice. I am using Acrobat Exchange 3.01 with Win95. Patrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Patrick W. Daly Tel. [+49] 5556-979-279 Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie Fax. [+49] 5556-979-240 Max-Planck-Str. 2 D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau Internet: daly@linmpi.mpg.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 00:58:40 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04100 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA07332 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:55:53 -0400 Received: from ori.zcu.cz (ori.zcu.cz [147.228.52.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07329 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:55:52 -0400 Received: from helios10.zcu.cz (helios10.zcu.cz [147.228.57.30]) by ori.zcu.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17452; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:55:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (snajdr5@localhost) by helios10.zcu.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09069; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:55:50 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: helios10.zcu.cz: snajdr5 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:55:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jaroslav Snajdr X-Sender: snajdr5@helios10.zcu.cz To: Diskusni skupina CSTeX cc: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pdftex manual In-Reply-To: <199805070554.HAA15026@ns.felk.cvut.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 May 1998, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > this is most likely because this localization doesn't use the official > latex2e interfaces but lower-level private definitions. We use the official interfaces everywhere they are available. But some things must be hacked, e.g., LaTeX does not provide any pleasant way to change \uc/lc/sfcodes when switching encodings: in IL2, on positions 254 and 255 there are Czech quotes, which deserve \sfcode=0, and in T1 there are some German letters---\sfcode=1000. It can be done in argument of \DeclareFontEncoding, but while it is prohibited to change t1enc.def, we must make a subtle redefinition of \DeclareFontEncoding to enforce the right \...codes when switching back to T1 from something else. And this was just one example. > in that case the only chance for a portable document is to use an > official latex2e and not one that claims to be LaTeX2e but hacks the > interfaces and "enhances" the code while sacrifying portability. We have put a considerable effort to make our enhancements fully compatible with nonpatched LaTeX and I think we have succeeded---the official interfaces are not quite bad :-) and all the required hacks are under our control. So I am pretty sure the problem is on Thanh's side---maybe he uses some prehistoric version from times when I was not the maintainer of CSLaTeX and things were not so good :-))) -jns ,-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Jaroslav Snajdr http://home.zcu.cz/~snajdr5 | | snajdr5@students.zcu.cz (MIME welcomed) FIDO: 2:423/33.15 | `-------------------------------------------------------------------------' From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 01:26:10 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09359 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA07424 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:22:44 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA07421 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:22:43 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl25.pi.net [145.220.204.25]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA16306; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:22:27 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:22:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3556A9B1.743911B8@pi.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:33:05 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: What do you think of it? References: <199805101634.SAA23070@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > Hello all, > > I would be appreciated very much if you can have a look at the following file > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/t.pdf > and let me know your comments on it. This is a double-columns typeset, and what > I wonder is whether you can see any difference see between the left and the > right column. The right column has blacker (not thicker, but less gray) characters. Looks like a bit less optimal hinting (less gray values used). I use an 64k color tft lcd screen. Printing fails. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 02:52:26 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15122 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA07768 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:47:20 -0400 Received: from maila.central.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA07765 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:47:13 -0400 Received: from jfoster.maps.susx.ac.uk [139.184.128.152] by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) id 0yYoFF-0002uo-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:47:37 +0100 Message-ID: <3556BAC7.4284@sussex.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:45:59 +0100 Reply-To: j.foster@susx.ac.uk Organization: University of Sussex X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: What do you think of it? References: <199805101634.SAA23070@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: J.Foster@sussex.ac.uk (James Foster) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > Hello all, > > I would be appreciated very much if you can have a look at the following file > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/t.pdf > and let me know your comments on it. This is a double-columns typeset, and what > I wonder is whether you can see any difference see between the left and the > right column. > > Thanks in advance for any comments, > Thanh -- The right-hand column is blacker, as has been noted. But there is also a difference in inter-word spacing between the two columns. This can be discerned by viewing the two columns as a stereogram. My eyesight is not good enough for me to detect any difference in inter-character spacing. Regards, James Foster ______________________________________________________________________ Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Sub-Dean School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 University of Sussex Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 02:58:16 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15266 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA07778 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:48:50 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07775 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:48:48 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA25061; hop 0; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:44:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 May 1998 09:48:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:34:38 +0100 Message-ID: <889-Sun10May1998213438+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: tim@maths.tcd.ie Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Page numbers in pdflatex In-Reply-To: <9805090439.aa25335@graves.maths.tcd.ie> References: <9805090439.aa25335@graves.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Timothy Murphy writes: > \usepackage[hypertex,plainpages=false]{hyperref} > plainpages=true, surely? s From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 04:02:54 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16712 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA08005 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:50:55 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08002 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:50:54 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl16.pi.net [145.220.204.16]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA21207; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:50:48 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:50:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3556CC70.FA923187@pi.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:01:20 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: j.foster@susx.ac.uk CC: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: What do you think of it? References: <199805101634.SAA23070@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <3556BAC7.4284@sussex.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk James Foster wrote: > -- The right-hand column is blacker, as has been noted. But there is > also a difference in inter-word spacing between the two columns. This > can be discerned by viewing the two columns as a stereogram. My eyesight > is not good enough for me to detect any difference in inter-character > spacing. I guess Thanh is testing the Zaph optimizing algoritm ... Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 04:15:19 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16974 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA08067 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:04:31 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08062 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:04:11 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04551; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:23:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA14340; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:42:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:42:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805110842.KAA14340@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Hans Hagen Cc: Han The Thanh , PDFTEX Subject: Re: What do you think of it? In-Reply-To: <3556A9B1.743911B8@pi.net> References: <199805101634.SAA23070@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <3556A9B1.743911B8@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk $(C; (BHan The Thanh wrote: $(C; (B> $(C; (B> Hello all, $(C; (B> $(C; (B> I would be appreciated very much if you can have a look at the following file $(C; (B> ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/t.pdf $(C; (B> and let me know your comments on it. This is a double-columns typeset, and what $(C; (B> I wonder is whether you can see any difference see between the left and the $(C; (B> right column. $(C; (B $(C; (BThe right column has blacker (not thicker, but less gray) characters. $(C; (BLooks like a bit less optimal hinting (less gray values used). yes, but they look the same in ghostview. Th. B. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 06:20:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19955 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08599 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:10:43 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08596 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:10:21 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24971; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:10:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07979; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:10:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805111210.OAA07979@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: true-type fonts etc. In-Reply-To: <35532071.B94C137E@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 9, 98 01:10:41 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:10:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > pdftex 0.12l is apparently handling true-type fonts a little > differently from what pdftex 0.12i did. The pdf files I made > using 0.12i had the property that acroread's reaction to them > varied depending on whether or not the true-type fonts involved > were installed or not. The pdf files I make with 0.12l appear > the same (with acroread) irrespective of whether or not the > fonts are installed. This is certainly an improvement! > Unfortunately, they still don't appear the way I want them > to, or as GSview displays them. > > I've got two example files: > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/a.pdf > made using pdftex 0.i2i, and > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/b.pdf > made using pdftex 0.12l. > They are very similar, but a.pdf displays differently with > acroread depending on whether Comic Sans MS is installed or > not, while b.pdf does not exhibit this dependence. (So b.pdf > just looks wrong all the time!) > > I've got no idea which of the minimal differences between the two > files are significant. I've appended the message I posted about a month ago concerning to TTF. Thanh -------------------------------------------------------------- >From thanh Fri Apr 17 18:55:20 1998 Subject: Re: acroread and gsview In-Reply-To: <3530BFC8.3EBFB67F@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Apr 12, 98 11:21:12 pm" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:55:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1680 Status: RO > I have continued to experiment with true-type fonts, using now > pdftex-0.12i, and it seems to me that acroread just doesn't > work the way it is supposed to. Using various ttf files I > happened to have on my system, I used ttf2afm and afm2tfm > and vptovf to make virtual fonts, using some (possibly silly) > encoding file I concocted, and then made pdf files featuring > font tables and sample text (using testfont.tex that came > with emtex). Under Windows95, when viewed with gsview they > look right, while viewed with acroread they look wrong. If the > truetype font in question is not "installed" as a Windows > font then acroread seems to do OK for characters 0 to 127 > of the font (so the cm fonts are OK), but seems to to do > bizarre things for the rest of the font. If the font is > installed it does even worse. (Unfortunately, including the > pseudoUniqueTag as part of the font name doesn't seem to have > prevented acroread from looking for the installed version of > the font.) I've done some more work and testing on TTF today. Now pdftex adds a prefix even to the built-in names when embedding TTF, to make sure that no font with the same name is installed on system :-). I've tested with Arial and 8r encoding. Here is the result: 1) on UNIX system both work well (built-in names with and without prefix) 2) on Win95: a) the version WITHOUT PREFIX seems nearly ok, apart from first 32 characters 0--31 are not displayed. b) the version WITH PREFIX seems also nearly ok, apart from first 32 characters in the *second subtable* (128--159) are not displayed Any suggestions? The latest version of pdftex will be released next week Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 06:47:00 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20727 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 06:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08702 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:37:57 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08697 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:37:50 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26776; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:38:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3556F0CF.7E1687E9@iws-irms.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:36:31 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: What do you think of it? References: <199805101634.SAA23070@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Windows NT 4.0, Netscape with Acrobat Reader 3.01 plugin: At 100%, the column on the left is slightly fainter. At 200% and larger, they look the same. At less than 100%, they both "greek", so they look the same. Glauber Han The Thanh wrote: > > Hello all, > > I would be appreciated very much if you can have a look at the following file > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/t.pdf > and let me know your comments on it. This is a double-columns typeset, and what > I wonder is whether you can see any difference see between the left and the > right column. > > Thanks in advance for any comments, > Thanh -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 08:23:42 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24209 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09120 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:16:44 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09117 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:16:38 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA08500; hop 0; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:11:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 11 May 1998 15:15:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 03:08:00 +0100 Message-ID: <6896-Mon11May1998030800+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 Q) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: hypertex-dev@aps.org, pdftex@tug.org cc: ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk, kcollins@cygnus.uwa.edu.au, osbahr@kemi.aau.dk, rfuster@mat.upv.es, bmoss@math.clemson.edu, Christian.Icking@FernUni-Hagen.de, Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr, daly@linpwd.mpae.gwdg.de, da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, broult@info.unicaen.fr, cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in, david@dcarlisle.demon.co.uk, sutor@us.ibm.com, vytass@ktl.mii.lt, t16@nikhef.nl, support@yandy.com, te@informatik.uni-hannover.de, tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, raman@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: test release of hyperref for forms Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Would any of you like to try my new release of hyperref which supports forms for PDF and HTML? You can use it *only* with the pdfmark (ie dvips, and probably dvipsone) and tex4ht backends of hyperref; pdftex soon, when I understand it. Please note that: a) my aim at present is to support fill-in forms in PDF and HTML; I am not really (yet) looking at form fields as Hans Hagen and D P Story do, for advanced PDF navigation and actions b) my interest is more in the LaTeX interface than the elegance of the result. if i can get a clean authors style for authoring forms, I can then concentrate more on the backend niceties c) I have barely tested this! lots of things could go wrong, or are not yet supported d) to get HTML forms, you need to use TeX4ht e) I assume you have installed the Acrobat Forms 3.5 update, if you are interested in PDF forms If interested, grab and unzip http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/hyperref.zip, and peruse testform.tex for an example. If that looks plausible, read http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/manual.html, which (in skeleton fashion!) references the commands and keyvalue options. As you can see, I am moving towards a Web page for hyperref, and HTML documentation. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 08:32:04 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24499 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09136 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:19:22 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09122 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:16:59 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04891 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:16:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA17025; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:16:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:16:10 +0200 Message-Id: <199805111416.QAA17025@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: message from Glauber Ribeiro on Mon, 11 May 1998 07:36:31 -0500 Subject: Re: What do you think of it? From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Windows NT 4.0, Netscape with Acrobat Reader 3.01 plugin: > At 100%, the column on the left is slightly fainter. > At 200% and larger, they look the same. > At less than 100%, they both "greek", so they look the same. Solaris 2.6 with Acrobat Reader 3.0 using a private 8-bit colormap: Between 75% and 200% the right column looks slightly darker. At 50% or 25%, it's hard to recognize anything or any difference. At 400% or 800%, only a very small fragment is visible, but if you position the window in the middle of the column and compare individual words (such as the two `the' in the second line), the right column still looks slightly darker (and better, IMHO). Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 11 12:36:18 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02014 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10102 for pdftex-list; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:30:03 -0400 Received: from gauntlet.dmz.il.nbgfn.com (gauntlet.crt.com [192.138.181.21]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10096 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:30:00 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by gauntlet.dmz.il.nbgfn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20062 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:29:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ramoth.dmz.il.nbgfn.com(199.33.3.17) by gauntlet.il.nbgfn.com via smap (3.2) id xma020018; Mon, 11 May 98 13:29:44 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ramoth.il.nbgfn.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id NAA18818 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:25:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from waffle.il.nbgfn.com(140.102.132.12) by ramoth-outside.dmz.il.nbgfn.com via smap (4.1) id xma018800; Mon, 11 May 98 13:25:07 -0500 Received: from nx_chi (halas [140.101.133.51]) by crt.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA23215 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:28:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from eskimos by nx_chi (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA09620; Mon, 11 May 98 13:28:49 -0500 Message-Id: <9805111828.AA09620@nx_chi> Received: by eskimos.nt.il.nbgfn.com (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA05635; Mon, 11 May 98 13:28:49 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <199805111416.QAA17025@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b5) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: David Rebnord Date: Mon, 11 May 98 13:28:45 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: What do you think of it? References: <199805111416.QAA17025@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk You wrote: >I would be appreciated very much if you can have a look at the following file > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/t.pdf > and let me know your comments on it. This is a double-columns typeset, > and what I wonder is whether you can see any difference see between the > left and the right column. Nextstep 3.3 using OmniPDF 2.1.3 the left (yes the left) column looks slight darker at resolutions from 75-150%, below and above that they look the same to me. using nextstep 3.3 and using PDFViewer 1.09 PDFViewer rendered it using a sanserif font, while OmniPDF used a serifed font. with PDFViewer the right column looks ever so slightly darker at 100% resolution, much less noticeable than with OmniPDF. The spacing of letters combinations such as "gh" "in" is visibly tighter on the left column than on the right. The left is, I daresay, too tight. Dave Rebnord From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 01:00:53 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19376 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13162 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:57:06 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13159 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:57:04 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA28935; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:56:59 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:56:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3557F4FD.7E25B031@pi.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:06:37 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Rebnord CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: What do you think of it? References: <199805111416.QAA17025@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> <9805111828.AA09620@nx_chi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Rebnord wrote > Nextstep 3.3 using OmniPDF 2.1.3 > using nextstep 3.3 and using PDFViewer 1.09 Just curious: are both full featured viewers? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 02:10:21 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20670 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13442 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:06:13 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13439 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:06:11 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl28.pi.net [145.220.204.28]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA14861; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:06:05 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:06:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35580535.6E50B0E1@pi.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:15:49 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han the Thanh CC: pdftex Subject: names sort order Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk While reading the pdf ref manual, I read: "names are sorted in ascending order" "shorter names appear before longer names" Then, how can pdftex generate: /Names [('aaaaap') 3 0 R ('aaaap') 2 0 R ('aap') 1 0 R] /Limits [('aaaaap') ('aap')] Here, longer names appear before shorter ones. Or am I reading the specs wrong. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 02:38:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21319 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13552 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:33:40 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13549 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:33:38 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SN-SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:33:25 +0200 Received: from id034.wkap.nl by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.1-4 #29553) with ESMTP id <01IWXYGGH5G0000V94@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:33:23 +0100 Received: from PC377.WKAP.NL by ID034.WKAP.NL (PMDF V5.1-9 #29552) with SMTP id <01IWXYGF26Q88Y4ZHK@ID034.WKAP.NL> for pdftex@tug.org; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:33:21 +0000 ([+0200]) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:34:10 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: What do you think of it? In-reply-to: <199805111416.QAA17025@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Reply-to: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Authentication: none Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Win 95, Exchange 3.0: I really don't know whether the left or the right column is darker. Either way, the difference is minimal. The right-column paragraphs look more evenly balanced (hardly surprising). I made two printouts, at 600 and 1200 dpi. At 1200, the right column looks better in print, at 600 the left column looks slighly better. Makes me wonder about 300 dpi. However smart the Zapf algorithm is, it looks like it will a high-end improvement only (at 600dpi there are rounding differences between stem widths in various lines, and the result is about as noisy to the eye as the large white spaces in the left column). Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 02:40:30 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21356 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13562 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:34:31 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13559 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:34:29 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17971; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:34:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23798; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:34:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805120834.KAA23798@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: names sort order In-Reply-To: <35580535.6E50B0E1@pi.net> from Hans Hagen at "May 12, 98 10:15:49 am" To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:34:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > While reading the pdf ref manual, I read: > > "names are sorted in ascending order" > "shorter names appear before longer names" > > Then, how can pdftex generate: > > /Names [('aaaaap') 3 0 R ('aaaap') 2 0 R ('aap') 1 0 R] > /Limits [('aaaaap') ('aap')] > > Here, longer names appear before shorter ones. Or am I reading the specs > wrong. The spec says: "The names are sorted in ascending order. Shorter names appear before longer names that begin with the same byte sequence." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thus what pdftex does is correct, I think. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 02:59:43 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21622 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13620 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:47:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13617 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:47:58 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl19.pi.net [145.220.204.19]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA24731; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:47:43 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:47:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35580E12.44C220B1@pi.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:53:38 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: names sort order References: <199805120834.KAA23798@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > The spec says: > "The names are sorted in ascending order. Shorter names appear before > longer names that begin with the same byte sequence." You're right. I was just wondering if the reader bug could originate in some strict interpretation of the (often obascure) specs. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 06:28:06 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24976 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14363 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:20:49 -0400 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14360 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:20:31 -0400 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:53:02 +0100 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA06795; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:52:57 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:52:56 +0100 (BST) To: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: What do you think of it? In-Reply-To: References: <199805111416.QAA17025@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.44 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <13656.13202.888221.434434@fell.open.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco wrote -- > > However smart the Zapf algorithm is, it looks like it will a high-end > improvement only That is what my theroretical calculations suggested: at 600dpi it is typically only feasible to change a glyph by about 1 pixel and then the question arises: whre does the extra pixel go? So any reasonably aesthetic implemntation for low res is probably going to make very few changes. > (at 600dpi there are rounding differences between stem > widths in various lines, and the result is about as noisy to the eye as > the large white spaces in the left column). If that happens then you have an unacceptably bad implementation, do you not? chris From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 08:50:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27819 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14894 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:42:12 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14891 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:42:06 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-9-22.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.146]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA19630; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:37:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35585F30.C8C1A2C0@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:39:44 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: true-type fonts etc. References: <199805111210.OAA07979@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > Bob Howlett wrote: > > > pdftex 0.12l is apparently handling true-type fonts a little > > differently from what pdftex 0.12i did. The pdf files I made > > using 0.12i had the property that acroread's reaction to them > > varied depending on whether or not the true-type fonts involved > > were installed or not. The pdf files I make with 0.12l appear > > the same (with acroread) irrespective of whether or not the > > fonts are installed. This is certainly an improvement! > > Unfortunately, they still don't appear the way I want them > > to, or as GSview displays them. > > > > I've got two example files: > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/a.pdf > > made using pdftex 0.i2i, and > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/b.pdf > > made using pdftex 0.12l. > > They are very similar, but a.pdf displays differently with > > acroread depending on whether Comic Sans MS is installed or > > not, while b.pdf does not exhibit this dependence. (So b.pdf > > just looks wrong all the time!) > > > > I've got no idea which of the minimal differences between the two > > files are significant. > > I've appended the message I posted about a month ago concerning to TTF. > > Thanh > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >From thanh Fri Apr 17 18:55:20 1998 > Subject: Re: acroread and gsview > In-Reply-To: <3530BFC8.3EBFB67F@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Apr 12, 98 11:21:12 pm" > To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:55:20 +0200 (MET DST) > Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu (PDFTEX) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1680 > Status: RO > > > I have continued to experiment with true-type fonts, using now > > pdftex-0.12i, and it seems to me that acroread just doesn't > > work the way it is supposed to. Using various ttf files I > > happened to have on my system, I used ttf2afm and afm2tfm > > and vptovf to make virtual fonts, using some (possibly silly) > > encoding file I concocted, and then made pdf files featuring > > font tables and sample text (using testfont.tex that came > > with emtex). Under Windows95, when viewed with gsview they > > look right, while viewed with acroread they look wrong. If the > > truetype font in question is not "installed" as a Windows > > font then acroread seems to do OK for characters 0 to 127 > > of the font (so the cm fonts are OK), but seems to to do > > bizarre things for the rest of the font. If the font is > > installed it does even worse. (Unfortunately, including the > > pseudoUniqueTag as part of the font name doesn't seem to have > > prevented acroread from looking for the installed version of > > the font.) > > I've done some more work and testing on TTF today. Now pdftex adds a prefix even > to the built-in names when embedding TTF, to make sure that no font with the > same name is installed on system :-). I've tested with Arial and 8r encoding. > Here is the result: > > 1) on UNIX system both work well (built-in names with and without prefix) > > 2) on Win95: > a) the version WITHOUT PREFIX seems nearly ok, apart from first 32 > characters 0--31 are not displayed. > b) the version WITH PREFIX seems also nearly ok, apart from first 32 > characters in the *second subtable* (128--159) are not displayed > > Any suggestions? > > The latest version of pdftex will be released next week > > Thanh No, the phenomenon I've encountered now is different. Both my files a.pdf and b.pdf have the prefix added -- there is really VERY LITTLE difference between the two files. Yet acroread renders them very differently when ComicSansMS is an installed font. (They look the same -- bad -- if it is not installed.) Furthermore, the problems are not confined to characters 0 -- 31 and 128 -- 159. There are only a few of the characters 128 and 255 that come out right. Here, actually, is a description of the differences between the two files: Compare: (<)C:\EMTEX\TEXINPUT\ETC\a.pdf with: (>)C:\EMTEX\TEXINPUT\ETC\b.pdf 8c8 < /F4 6.97 Tf 0 0 Td[(T)92(est)-384(of)-386(comicrh)-385(on)-385(Ma)31(y)-385(9,)-384(1998)-384(at)-385(0032)]TJ --- > /F4 6.97 Tf 0 0 Td[(T)92(est)-384(of)-386(comicrh)-385(on)-385(Ma)31(y)-385(9,)-384(1998)-384(at)-385(0039)]TJ 1575,1576c1575,1576 < /ProcSet [/PDF /Text] < /Font << /F4 5 0 R /F1 6 0 R /F37 7 0 R /F52 8 0 R /F30 9 0 R >> --- > /Font << /F4 5 0 R /F1 6 0 R /F37 7 0 R /F52 8 0 R /F30 9 0 R >> > /ProcSet [/PDF /Text] 1599,1600c1599,1600 < /ProcSet [/PDF /Text] < /Font << /F52 8 0 R >> --- > /Font << /F52 8 0 R >> > /ProcSet [/PDF /Text] 1617,1618c1617,1618 < /FirstChar 0 < /LastChar 127 --- > /FirstChar 48 > /LastChar 120 1624c1624 < [ 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 ] --- > [ 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 525 ] For some reason, the difference between having "/ProcSet [/PDF /Text]" before "/Font << ... >>" and vice versa seems to be significant. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 10:17:45 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00069 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:17:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15237 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:09:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15234 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:09:09 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl26.pi.net [145.220.204.26]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA12151; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:08:50 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:08:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35587679.618A3144@pi.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:19:05 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: true-type fonts etc. References: <199805111210.OAA07979@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <35585F30.C8C1A2C0@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > For some reason, the difference between having "/ProcSet [/PDF /Text]" > before > "/Font << ... >>" and vice versa seems to be significant. Sounds strange, because there is no explicit order in such definitions. I'm not sure if the procset is really needed. You can do some tests if you have an byte editor. (I use the pfe editor for this). Just change /ProcSet into /Xrocset (this leaves the object refs ok but makes the key invalid and ignored). Change this in both documents and compare them again. Another suggestion: try to change the open order and see if visual differences are the same. Font caching is (as long as I use pdf) buggy anyhow. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 11:54:43 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02560 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:54:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15641 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:47:51 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15638 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:47:49 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18379; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:45:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA03590; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:53:00 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:53:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805121753.TAA03590@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Hans Hagen Cc: Robert Howlett , Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: true-type fonts etc. In-Reply-To: <35587679.618A3144@pi.net> References: <199805111210.OAA07979@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <35585F30.C8C1A2C0@mail.usyd.edu.au> <35587679.618A3144@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant $(C+ (BRe: true-type fonts etc. $(C;,(B Hans Hagen $(Cic(Brit : $(C+ (B $(C; (BAnother suggestion: try to change the open order and see if visual $(C; (Bdifferences are the same. Font caching is (as long as I use pdf) buggy $(C; (Banyhow. yes, here when i open many files with the same fonts embedded & subsetted, it seems that the first instance is used (the AXZY+ prefix being useless here) whatever is embedded in the other files. This results in many missing chars. It's on unix with type 1 fonts. Th. B. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 12:54:34 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04278 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15879 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:50:30 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15876 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:50:28 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05009; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:50:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA18679; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:50:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805121850.UAA18679@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: true-type fonts etc. In-Reply-To: <35585F30.C8C1A2C0@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 13, 98 00:39:44 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:50:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > No, the phenomenon I've encountered now is different. Both my > files a.pdf and b.pdf have the prefix added -- there is really > VERY LITTLE difference between the two files. Yet acroread > renders them very differently when ComicSansMS is an installed > font. (They look the same -- bad -- if it is not installed.) > Furthermore, the problems are not confined to characters > 0 -- 31 and 128 -- 159. There are only a few of the characters > 128 and 255 that come out right. > > Here, actually, is a description of the differences between > the two files: > ... ah, sorry about the wrong answer. There is indeed very little difference between these files. Seems that some thing is wrong with /FirstChar and /LastChar keys. I'll add it to bug list. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 15:25:15 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08404 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16438 for pdftex-list; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:22:18 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16435 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:22:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:20:57 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980512222057.270d@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> but for now, how happy are people with markup like this? [snip] >> \TextField[width=3in,name=name,default={Sebastian Rahtz}]{Full name: } Seems OK up to this point, but I blanch at [name=name]; since the former is a variable and the latter a literal, a more natural syntax (IMHO) would be [name="name"]; this would also be an excellent disambiguating strategem... ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 12 23:48:57 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18851 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18229 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:46:02 -0400 Received: from ha1.rdc1.md.home.com ([24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18223 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:45:59 -0400 Received: from unknown ([24.3.20.103]) by ha1.rdc1.md.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA10019; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:45:35 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.12l win32 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:44:04 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <355e31eb.4698275@mail> References: <199805062157.XAA29704@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> In-Reply-To: <199805062157.XAA29704@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id BAA18224 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 May 1998 23:57:56 +0200 (MET DST), you wrote: > >is available from the usual location: > >ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/TeX/win32/pdftex-0.12l-win32.zip > >Fabrice Popineau I am having a difficult time rebuilding the format file. I had not downloaded a new version for a while. Now when I try out the new version it seems to want a larger string space, but no matter what numbers I put in for the string space, I cannot rebuild the format file. I have a second problem when trying to download fonts to the printer. If I use << to force the entire font to download, that seems to work, but if I use just a single < to tell PDFTeX to download a subset I get and error about not finding "cleartomark". I actually did a binary search through the .pfb file and found "cleartomark" in the file. The font is Sabon bold italic. Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services jeffmcarthur@home.com jmcarth@atlis.com http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ Visit Tiglath, a Bronze Age D&D world http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/Jeffrey/DandD/Dandd.htm From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 03:03:30 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA11160 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA19001 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:58:51 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA18998 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:58:50 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA00362; hop 0; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:54:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:27:14 +0100 Message-ID: <5529-Tue12May1998212714+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <980512222057.270d@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980512222057.270d@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > >> \TextField[width=3in,name=name,default={Sebastian Rahtz}]{Full name: } > > Seems OK up to this point, but I blanch at [name=name]; > since the former is a variable and the latter a literal, > a more natural syntax (IMHO) would be [name="name"]; this > would also be an excellent disambiguating strategem... > if David Carlisle wants to rewrite keyval.sty to support quoted values, i'll use it. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 06:26:34 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16012 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:26:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19776 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:20:55 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19746 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:12:02 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA04107; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:17:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:17:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199805131217.NAA04107@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: PDFTEX@tug.org In-reply-to: <5529-Tue12May1998212714+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <980512222057.270d@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <5529-Tue12May1998212714+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > if David Carlisle wants to rewrite keyval.sty to support quoted > values, he doesn't If you want the syntax to look different tell the user to use name={name} as always the outer {} will be stripped off, so this is really the same as name=name. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 09:35:16 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22794 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20444 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:27:38 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20441 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:27:36 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02819; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:27:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22825; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:26:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805131526.RAA22825@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: ttf2afm problems In-Reply-To: <199805071009.MAA12394@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> from Ulrik Vieth at "May 7, 98 12:09:28 pm" To: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (Ulrik Vieth) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:26:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > As far as I understand the manual, this should leave all characters > unassigned (i.e. C -1 in the AFM file), so that they can be made > available by reencoding. This only seems to work in some cases: > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf assigns all characters to C -1 > $ ttf2afm CourierNew.ttf assigns all characters to C 6 > (see samples below) > > Another problem: > > /.notdef has a bounding box of zero, but a non-zero width, > /.null has a width of zero, but a non-zero bounding box, > /space has a non-zero width, but a bounding box of zero, > /exclam has a non-zero width, but a bounding box of zero. > > While the first two might or might not be ok, the last one seems > to be clealy an error. Could this be some off-by-one bug? > > 2. Running ttf2afm with a map file: > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf > > produces 242 char metrics, i.e. everything in the font > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf 8a.enc > > produces 145 char metrics and 4 missing glyph warnings > > $ ttf2afm TimesNewRoman.ttf 8r.enc > > produces 221 char metrics and 9 missing glpyh warnings > > The problem here: > > all the unencoded characters are dropped for 8a.enc while typical > AFM files for Type1 fonts include the metrics of all 228 glyphs, > of which a many glyphs are just mapped to -1, i.e. unencoded > > If you want to use the generated AFM file for running fontinst, > dropping all the unencoded is certainly not what we want, since > we cannot get them back by reencoding afterwards once they have > vanished completely from the AFM files. > > It appears that something needs to be done for ttf2afm. many thanks for your testing. I've fixed mentioned problems in ttf2afm. Now glyphs that are not present in encoding file will be mapped to -1 and not left out from the output. I'll release it together with pdftex-0.12m Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 11:28:21 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27269 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:28:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20860 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:25:07 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20857 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:25:01 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21606 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:24:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA01367; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:31:59 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:31:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805131731.TAA01367@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: PDFTeX Mailing List Subject: FitV+CFP ? X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, i feel that the most satisfying way to simulate book layout in PDF is to use simultaneously 2 `view' options: `Fit Page' and then `Continuous -- Facing Pages'. (from the View menu in acrobat reader). Is it possible to set that as the default view mode? Thierry From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 11:30:44 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27359 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20873 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:27:20 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20870 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:27:18 -0400 Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 13 May 98 18:27:18 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by turing.maths.tcd.ie (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA28924 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:27:14 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy Message-Id: <199805131727.SAA28924@turing.maths.tcd.ie> Subject: Including MP figures To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:27:13 +0100 (IST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In order to include an MP figure I say eg \begin{figure} \begin{center} \mbox{\convertMPtoPDF{figs-I.1}{1}{1}} \end{center} \end{figure} Could I just say \includegraphics{figs-I.1} or whatever if I were clever enough to make an appropriate GraphicsRule ? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 11:59:14 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28667 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20951 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:46:35 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20948 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:46:30 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22228 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:46:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA01823; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:53:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:53:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805131753.TAA01823@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: PDFTeX Mailing List Subject: TTFs testing X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Could someone (from Adobe, e.g.) explain me why the PDF files to be found on ftp://fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/pub/contrib-tex/pdftex/beta/cyberbit/ are properly handled with GhostScript but not by acrobat reader ? Well, the file cyb7t.pdf shows the Cyberbit.ttf font reencoded to 8r, and used in pdftex through 7t encoding, while playing with extension, scaling & slant: it works similarly in acroread & gs. Now the file testfont.pdf shows 5 pieces from cyberbit (the glyphs that have PS names) + the same as above. I had to only use 254 glyphs per reencoded fonts, but even like that, cyb3 and cyb4 are replaced by cyb1 (in mac encoding?) when displayed by acroread, even the very classical cyb8r is wrongly displayed (it is correctly displayed in cyb7t.pdf though). The same PDF file is perfect when viewd with gs. [This mail is not for Thanh, i already disturbed him with these puzzles] Th. B. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 14:31:37 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04538 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21586 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:25:40 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21581 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:25:39 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19603; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:25:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA04485; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:25:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805132025.WAA04485@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: updated manual To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:25:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik), koala@informatics.muni.cz X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, The updated version of pdftex is at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/manual.pdf Many thanks for very useful suggestions to the previous version. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 13 14:48:03 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05139 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21664 for pdftex-list; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:45:19 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21661 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:45:18 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com ([198.179.146.155]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06465 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:46:10 -0500 Message-ID: <355A0619.C987B0B6@iws-irms.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:44:09 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftexinfo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I've just had one of those bright ideas: maybe texinfo is the way to go, for documentation! :-) I'm really intrigued by the idea of having hypertexted PDFs for documentation. I've been doing it with LaTeX, but maybe texinfo is it. BUT, there seems to be something wrong with the pdftexinfo.tex i have. First there was a "missing brace" error. I traced to this line: \pdfcatalog pagemode{/UseOutlines} (line 3330). I changed it to: \pdfcatalog { pagemode{/UseOutlines} } and now PDFTeX runs fine, but when i try to open the PDF file in Acrobat, i get an error: "There was an error opening this document. There was a problem reading this document (110)." What gives? I'm running the pdftex 0.12l win32 binary from Fabrice Popineau, and the pdftexinfo.tex that came with Web2c 7.2. Thanks, glauber -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 14 01:54:43 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13320 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA24211 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:49:24 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA24208 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:49:21 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA14728; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:54:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:54:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199805140754.IAA14728@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tim@maths.tcd.ie CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805131727.SAA28924@turing.maths.tcd.ie> (message from Timothy Murphy on Wed, 13 May 1998 18:27:13 +0100 (IST)) Subject: Re: Including MP figures References: <199805131727.SAA28924@turing.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Could I just say \includegraphics{figs-I.1} or whatever \includegraphics[type=mps]{figs-I.1} the type= is only needed because the package doesn't know what sort of file `.1' is. > if I were clever enough to make an appropriate GraphicsRule ? A suitable rule would be \DeclareGraphicsRule{*}{mps}{*}{} to make mps the default then you should be able to go \includegraphics{figs-I.1} From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 14 03:13:24 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15563 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA24496 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:04:06 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24493 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:04:02 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09861; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:50:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21384; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:49:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805140749.JAA21384@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: manual To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:49:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've corrected a mistake in the manual, in the example how to use TrueType fonts. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 14 10:25:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27863 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26119 for pdftex-list; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:10:14 -0400 Received: from paley.dm.unipi.it (paley.dm.unipi.it [131.114.6.146]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26116 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:10:01 -0400 Received: from dm.unipi.it (shannon.dm.unipi.it [131.114.6.94]) by paley.dm.unipi.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04273 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:09:17 +0200 Message-ID: <355B17D2.6D9407CB@dm.unipi.it> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:12:02 +0200 From: Paolo Mascellani Organization: Dipartimento di Matematica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: newby question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, sorry to bore you, but after a whole day of useless efforts ... Of course, I'am trying to install pdftex and see my example.pdf file. I'am using a RedHat 4.2 linux distribution with tetex.rpm installed as usual. After getting the binary distribution and the platform-independent files, I have followed these steps: 1 - unzip in the directory ~/pdftex 2 - copy the pdftex executable in /usr/local/bin 3 - create a sym-link pdflatex in the same directory 4 - copy the texmf/pdftex directory to /usr/lib/texmf/texmf/ (this is where RedHat places the texmf tree) 5 - edit /usr/lib/texmf/texmf.cnf in order to set the VFFONTS, etc. variables (however the VFFONTS and PKFONTS where already setted, while, since I have no idea of which value to give to T1FONTS and TTFONTS, I have simply copyed the VFFONTS value for them; for TEXPSHEADERS I have setted the path /usr/lib/texmf/texmf/pdftex/base; for TEXPOOL /usr/lib/texmf/texmf/web2c) 6 - copy pdftex.pool to /usr/lib/texmf/texmf/web2c/ 7 - execute: pdftex -ini -fmt=pdftex plain \\dump Here is the problem: at the first try, pdftex give the message: ! I can't read tex.pool; bad path? after checking the TEXPOOL variable, I have tryied to copy the pdftex.pool in the current directory. The message now was: ! I can't find file `plain'. so, I went in the directory /usr/lib/texmf/texmf/tex/plain/base and pdftex give: ! You have to increase POOLSIZE. Since I have defined pool_size in texmf.cnf, I argued that pfdtex didn't read it. Hence, I defined TEXMSCNF, but pdftex replied: ! I can't find file `hyphen'. At this point I definitely realized that something is wrong with my paths, ... but what? Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance, Paolo. -- Paolo Mascellani Dipartimento di Matematica Universita` di Pisa e-mail: mascella@dm.unipi.it www: http://www.dm.unipi.it/cdc/index.html From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 15 01:24:56 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA02246 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:24:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA29428 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:18:57 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA29425 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:18:53 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13971; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:18:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21453; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:18:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805150718.JAA21453@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftexinfo? In-Reply-To: <355A0619.C987B0B6@iws-irms.com> from Glauber Ribeiro at "May 13, 98 03:44:09 pm" To: glauber@iws-irms.com (Glauber Ribeiro) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:18:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > What gives? > > I'm running the pdftex 0.12l win32 binary from Fabrice Popineau, and the > pdftexinfo.tex that came with Web2c 7.2. seems that you have the older version of pdftexinfo.tex. pdftexlib-0.12 is available from CTAN/systems/web2c/pdftexlib.tar.gz Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 15 01:26:29 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA02590 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA29414 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:15:15 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA29408 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:14:51 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13806; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:14:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21315; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:14:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805150714.JAA21315@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: newby question In-Reply-To: <355B17D2.6D9407CB@dm.unipi.it> from Paolo Mascellani at "May 14, 98 06:12:02 pm" To: mascella@dm.unipi.it (Paolo Mascellani) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:14:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Since I have defined pool_size in texmf.cnf, I argued that pfdtex didn't > read it. Hence, I defined TEXMSCNF, but pdftex replied: setting TEXMFCNF should be the first thing to check when something is wrong > ! I can't find file `hyphen'. > > At this point I definitely realized that something is wrong with my > paths, ... but what? Can anyone help me? please make sure that your TEXINPUTS (or TEXINPUTS.pdftex) in texmf.cnf contains path to hyphen.tex. my log file (Linux RedHat 5.0) says: ... hyphenation (/usr/lib/texmf/texmf/tex/generic/config/hyphen.tex (/usr/lib/texmf/texmf/tex/generic/babel/hyphen.cfg Babel language switching mechanism v3.6h <1997/01/23> (/usr/lib/texmf/texmf/tex/generic/babel/plain.def) \l@american=\language0 (/usr/lib/texmf/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph1.tex) \l@USenglish=\language0 \l@english=\language0 \l@german=\language1 (/usr/lib/texmf/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ghyph31.tex German Hyphenation Patterns `ghyphen' Version 3.1a <94/02/13>)))) Beginning to dump on file plain.fmt ... Hope it helps, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 15 02:53:30 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA08774 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA29760 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:48:05 -0400 Received: from maila.central.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA29754 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:47:54 -0400 Received: from jfoster.maps.susx.ac.uk [139.184.128.152] by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) id 0yaGAA-0001R4-00; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:48:23 +0100 Message-ID: <355C00ED.38E9@sussex.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:46:37 +0100 Reply-To: j.foster@susx.ac.uk Organization: University of Sussex X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Pounds sign pdfTeX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: J.Foster@sussex.ac.uk (James Foster) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, There was an interchange of correspondence last year concerning the missing pounds sign when using CM fonts in pdfTeX, which, I gather is related to font subsetting. However, a search of the archive leads to a dead-end with no solution to the problem of the missing symbol, or have I missed something? If anyone has a solution, I'd appreciate knowing what it is. JamesFoster ______________________________________________________________________ Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Sub-Dean School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 University of Sussex Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 15 06:19:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13880 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30476 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:13:11 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30473 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:13:08 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-5-29.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.153]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA01595 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:13:04 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <355C31CC.B8D757A7@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:15:08 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: re: Pounds sign pdftex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk The missing pounds sign comes about as follows. In the map file (probably cm.map there is the line cmti10 CMTI10 > Hello all, > > There was an interchange of correspondence last year concerning the > missing pounds sign when using CM fonts in pdfTeX, which, I gather is > related to font subsetting. However, a search of the archive leads to a > dead-end with no solution to the problem of the missing symbol, or have > I missed something? > > If anyone has a solution, I'd appreciate knowing what it is. > > JamesFoster > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk > Sub-Dean > School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 > University of Sussex > Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 > ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 15 07:07:34 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15356 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30646 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:59:34 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30643 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:59:32 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA30282; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <355C3B93.14B4B1F@iws-irms.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:56:51 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pdftexinfo? References: <199805150718.JAA21453@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Han, Thank you for your reply. I just downloaded the file you mention (it seems to be a link to pdftexlib-0.12h.tar.gz. I get the same error ("problem opening this file") when trying to read the PDF generated from a texinfo file in Acrobat Reader or Exchange 3.01. Have you tried this recently? Glauber Han The Thanh wrote: > > > What gives? > > > > I'm running the pdftex 0.12l win32 binary from Fabrice Popineau, and the > > pdftexinfo.tex that came with Web2c 7.2. > > seems that you have the older version of pdftexinfo.tex. pdftexlib-0.12 is > available from CTAN/systems/web2c/pdftexlib.tar.gz > > Thanh -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 15 08:14:29 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17499 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA30924 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:08:37 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA30918 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:07:48 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10470; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:07:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14639; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:07:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805151407.QAA14639@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftexinfo? In-Reply-To: <355C3B93.14B4B1F@iws-irms.com> from Glauber Ribeiro at "May 15, 98 07:56:51 am" To: glauber@iws-irms.com (Glauber Ribeiro) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:07:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Thank you for your reply. I just downloaded the file you mention (it > seems to be a link to pdftexlib-0.12h.tar.gz. I get the same error > ("problem opening this file") when trying to read the PDF generated from > a texinfo file in Acrobat Reader or Exchange 3.01. > > Have you tried this recently? yes, and I've just checked it again with pdftex-0.12l. it works. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 15 08:48:57 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18726 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA31049 for pdftex-list; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:43:33 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA31046 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:43:32 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31873; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:43:25 -0500 Message-ID: <355C540B.4E465863@iws-irms.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:41:15 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftexinfo? References: <199805151407.QAA14639@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I found the problem. After i extracted the files from the new library, i ended up with 3 files called pdftexinfo.tex. All of them had the same RCS header: %% TeX macros to handle Texinfo files. %% $Id: texinfo.tex,v 2.196 1997/01/04 19:20:54 karl Exp $ I deleted all 3, re-extracted the files from the TAR, and now i have only one (in texmf/pdftex/plain/misc/). I rebuilt my lsr file, and now it is working. I wonder if i have other funky duplicates there. Someday i really should delete everything and install from scratch... Thank you again, Glauber -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 16 02:22:03 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA09920 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 02:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA02097 for pdftex-list; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:14:42 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02094 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:14:38 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-7-1.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.1]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA22963 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:14:35 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <355D4B66.EFCA524C@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:16:39 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pk fonts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I can't get pdftex to use pk fonts to make pdf files -- I thought that this latest version was meant to be able to do that. I've put PKFONTS = .;c:/texfonts/pixel.sty// (which is where I've got my pk fonts) in texmf.cnf and I've also put pk_resolution 360 (which is the right resolution I'm sure) in pdftex.cfg, but pdftex reports that it can't find cmr10 at 360. Have I forgotten/misunderstood something? Do I have to learn about pgc files? (I've got a pk font for the University of Sydney crest which I might like to use, since we do not have a type 1 version of it (or even a metafont file). I can get around the problem since we have a png file I can include instead, but anyway I'd like to know if pk files can be used.) Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 16 05:52:42 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14680 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02794 for pdftex-list; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:48:21 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02791 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:48:19 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04395; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:48:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13913; Sat, 16 May 1998 13:48:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805161148.NAA13913@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pk fonts In-Reply-To: <355D4B66.EFCA524C@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 16, 98 06:16:39 pm" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:48:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I can't get pdftex to use pk fonts to make pdf files -- I thought > that this latest version was meant to be able to do that. I've put > PKFONTS = .;c:/texfonts/pixel.sty// > (which is where I've got my pk fonts) in texmf.cnf > and I've also put > pk_resolution 360 > (which is the right resolution I'm sure) > in pdftex.cfg, but pdftex reports that it can't find cmr10 at 360. > Have I forgotten/misunderstood something? Do I have to learn about > pgc files? seems that pdftex cannot find the pk font. I don't know what can be wrong. Please try to debug (pdftex -k 255). Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 16 08:32:20 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18472 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03358 for pdftex-list; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:28:04 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03355 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:28:01 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-11-21.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.21]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA04246; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:27:47 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <355DA2E0.E5B3D993@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:29:52 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: pk fonts References: <199805161148.NAA13913@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > > I can't get pdftex to use pk fonts to make pdf files -- I thought > > that this latest version was meant to be able to do that. I've put > > PKFONTS = .;c:/texfonts/pixel.sty// > > (which is where I've got my pk fonts) in texmf.cnf > > and I've also put > > pk_resolution 360 > > (which is the right resolution I'm sure) > > in pdftex.cfg, but pdftex reports that it can't find cmr10 at 360. > > Have I forgotten/misunderstood something? Do I have to learn about > > pgc files? > > seems that pdftex cannot find the pk font. I don't know what can be wrong. > Please try to debug (pdftex -k 255). > > Thanh OK, I ran pdftex -k 255 testfile The messages flew past at a great speed, and unfortunately were not recorded in the log file. But by stopping the scrolling with ctrl+s (a hit-and-miss process) I found some messages that seem relevant: kdebug: search(dpi/360cmr10.pk) => kdebug: start search(file=dpi360/cmr10.pk, must_exist=1, find_all=0, path=.;c:/texfonts/pixel.sty//). kdebug: search(dpi360/cmr10.pk) => kdebug: start search(file=cmr10.359pk, .... and lots more such lines, where it looks for dpi359/cmr10.pk etc. I can't understand why it did not find the copy of cmr10.pk that I put into the directory in which I was doing this, but it didn't find c:/texfonts/pixel.sty/dpi360/cmr10.pk since what I actually have is c:/texfonts/pixel.sty/360dpi/cmr10.pk and when I renamed the folder it worked. Maybe the name dpi360 is more standard than 360dpi. I think some screen previewer I used to have with an old version of pctex assumed names like 360dpi, and I stuck with it since emtex can be configured for such names. Can I put something in texmf.cnf to make it look for my folder names? Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 16 09:14:35 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19457 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 09:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03509 for pdftex-list; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:11:48 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03506 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:11:45 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-11-21.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.21]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA11216 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:11:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <355DAD2C.6BD47352@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:13:48 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pkfonts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk As it happens, I still cannot use the pkfont which has the university's crest, because there's not enouhg memory: I get fatal: memory exhausted (xmalloc of 1887436800 bytes) -- but I can use crest.png instead, so it doesn't matter. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 16 10:51:53 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21836 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03838 for pdftex-list; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:48:58 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03835 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:48:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (glauber@localhost) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13929; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:49:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:48:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Glauber Ribeiro X-Sender: glauber@socks To: Robert Howlett cc: Han The Thanh , PDFTEX Subject: Capturing debug infromation in file (was Re: pk fonts) In-Reply-To: <355DA2E0.E5B3D993@mail.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Somebody mentioned long ago an undocummented option to make the --kpathsea-debug output go to a file (no, not redirecting stderr, i mean something that works in crippled Microsoft systems too). Is that still there? What is it? glauber On Sun, 17 May 1998, Robert Howlett wrote: > Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:29:52 +1000 > From: Robert Howlett > To: Han The Thanh > Cc: PDFTEX > Subject: Re: pk fonts > > Han The Thanh wrote: > > > > > I can't get pdftex to use pk fonts to make pdf files -- I thought > > > that this latest version was meant to be able to do that. I've put > > > PKFONTS = .;c:/texfonts/pixel.sty// > > > (which is where I've got my pk fonts) in texmf.cnf > > > and I've also put > > > pk_resolution 360 > > > (which is the right resolution I'm sure) > > > in pdftex.cfg, but pdftex reports that it can't find cmr10 at 360. > > > Have I forgotten/misunderstood something? Do I have to learn about > > > pgc files? > > > > seems that pdftex cannot find the pk font. I don't know what can be wrong. > > Please try to debug (pdftex -k 255). > > > > Thanh > > OK, I ran > pdftex -k 255 testfile > The messages flew past at a great speed, and unfortunately > were not recorded in the log file. But by stopping the scrolling > with ctrl+s (a hit-and-miss process) I found some messages that > seem relevant: > > kdebug: search(dpi/360cmr10.pk) => > kdebug: start search(file=dpi360/cmr10.pk, must_exist=1, find_all=0, > path=.;c:/texfonts/pixel.sty//). > kdebug: search(dpi360/cmr10.pk) => > kdebug: start search(file=cmr10.359pk, .... > > and lots more such lines, where it looks for dpi359/cmr10.pk etc. > I can't understand why it did not find the copy of cmr10.pk > that I put into the directory in which I was doing this, but > it didn't find c:/texfonts/pixel.sty/dpi360/cmr10.pk > since what I actually have is > c:/texfonts/pixel.sty/360dpi/cmr10.pk > and when I renamed the folder it worked. Maybe the name > dpi360 is more standard than 360dpi. I think some screen > previewer I used to have with an old version of pctex > assumed names like 360dpi, and I stuck with it since emtex > can be configured for such names. Can I put something > in texmf.cnf to make it look for my folder names? > > Bob > Glauber Ribeiro glauber@iws-irms.com Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 16 19:48:16 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06486 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05650 for pdftex-list; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:45:32 -0400 Received: from vms3.isc.rit.edu (vms3.isc.rit.edu [129.21.3.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05647 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:45:31 -0400 Received: from erich ([129.21.10.59]) by ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #27552) with SMTP id <01IX472RF700AAU1IK@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> for pdftex@mail.tug.org; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:45:25 EDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:40:57 -0700 From: Erich Hernandez-Baquero Subject: PNG graphics To: pdftex Message-id: <000901bfbfba$1e53e4a0$3b0a1581@erich> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFBF7F.6B77FA40" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFBF7F.6B77FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm a PDFTEX newbie and I'm trying to include some PNG graphics in = my document but I get an error saying "alpha channel not supported" I'm = using v.0.11 with the Miktex 1.10 package on Windows NT. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFBF7F.6B77FA40-- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 18 10:10:41 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08594 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13905 for pdftex-list; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:58:28 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13902 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:58:20 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23709; Mon, 18 May 1998 17:57:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26795; Mon, 18 May 1998 17:56:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805181556.RAA26795@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: PNG graphics In-Reply-To: <000901bfbfba$1e53e4a0$3b0a1581@erich> from Erich Hernandez-Baquero at "May 16, 0 09:40:57 pm" To: edh7623@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Erich Hernandez-Baquero) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:56:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, > I'm a PDFTEX newbie and I'm trying to include some PNG graphics in my > document but I get an error saying "alpha channel not supported" I'm > using v.0.11 with the Miktex 1.10 package on Windows NT. Thanks in > advance! some images have the alpha channel apart from R, G and B channels. pdftex doesn't support images with alpha channel, so you need to remove the alpha channel by some image editor. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 21 01:22:20 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25838 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA27889 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 May 1998 03:16:44 -0400 Received: from m10.ihep.su (m10.ihep.su [194.190.161.5]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA27885 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 03:16:35 -0400 Received: from lesenko.ihep.su by m10.ihep.su (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:13:39 GMT+03:00 From: "Sergey Lesenko" To: "Han The Thanh" CC: Subject: T1part library Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:18:22 +0400 Message-ID: <01bd8488$a34579e0$a3a1bec2@lesenko.ihep.su> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Thanh, On this week I separate T1part Lib from DVIPDF and in few next days I'll post to you. Best Regards, Sergey From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 21 06:33:46 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01194 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 06:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA28605 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 May 1998 06:40:04 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA28599 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 06:39:52 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28932; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01753; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805211038.MAA01753@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: T1part library In-Reply-To: <01bd8488$a34579e0$a3a1bec2@lesenko.ihep.su> from Sergey Lesenko at "May 21, 98 11:18:22 am" To: lesenko@mx.ihep.su (Sergey Lesenko) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:38:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Sergey, > On this week I separate T1part Lib from DVIPDF > and in few next days I'll post to you. it would be great. Thanks. I'm waiting for that. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 21 09:00:56 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04502 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:00:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29582 for pdftex-list; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:54:25 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29579 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:54:22 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-10-60.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.246]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA07394 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:54:19 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35644092.8C832AD1@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:56:18 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, One minor point: in manual.pdf at the end of Section 4.2 it says "the openaction ... is specified in the same way as for internal links ... e.g. goto page 3 {/Fit}". For internal links you say "goto page 3 fit", which is different. I wanted to specify "fit width" for the openaction, but I was forced to look in pdfspec.pdf to finally figure out that I needed "goto page 1 {/FitH}" rather than fith or /fith or {fith} ... I think I tried just about everything but the right choice. Bob. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 22 05:40:34 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00940 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 05:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA01325 for pdftex-list; Fri, 22 May 1998 07:28:50 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01318 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 07:27:58 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03823; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:27:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02540; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:27:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805221127.NAA02540@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex manual In-Reply-To: <35644092.8C832AD1@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 22, 98 00:56:18 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:27:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > One minor point: in manual.pdf at the end of Section 4.2 it > says "the openaction ... is specified in the same way as > for internal links ... e.g. goto page 3 {/Fit}". > > For internal links you say "goto page 3 fit", > which is different. thanks for the report. I'll update it in the manual. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 23 04:35:37 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20157 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 04:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA06569 for pdftex-list; Sat, 23 May 1998 06:30:21 -0400 Received: from giglio.iol.it (giglio.iol.it [195.210.91.87]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA06566 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 06:30:16 -0400 Received: from danileo ([195.31.146.237]) by giglio.iol.it (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA8129 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:29:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000201bd8635$a59f2160$ed921fc3@danileo> From: "Daniele Rossi" To: Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 12:28:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Please help me find a Font, if you can: New York where is it? Thank you very much Daniele Rossi email: w.mozart@iol.it From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 23 10:22:19 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27590 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07767 for pdftex-list; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:17:56 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07764 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:17:54 -0400 Received: by www.inx.de (Smail3.2.0.96inx) from n099h052.berlin.snafu.de (192.109.99.52) with smtp id ; Sat, 23 May 1998 18:17:22 +0200 (MET DST) To: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <000201bd8635$a59f2160$ed921fc3@danileo> From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 18:16:03 +0200 Message-ID: <1d9htis.3pe2r6qb1u82M@n099h052.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none X-Mailer: MacSOUP 2.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Please help me find a Font, if you can: > > New York > > where is it? New York is an Apple font that is meant to be used for screen display only, not for printing. It is included with the Macintosh system software. It's only available in TrueType format, not as a PostScript font. When printing, you should probably replace this font with something like Times. -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 23 16:58:16 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07012 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 16:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09068 for pdftex-list; Sat, 23 May 1998 18:53:19 -0400 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09065 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 18:53:17 -0400 Received: from [194.119.133.34] [194.119.133.34] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0ydN9P-0007Oc-00; Sat, 23 May 1998 22:52:27 +0000 X-Sender: rebecca-astrid@mail.u-net.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d9htis.3pe2r6qb1u82M@n099h052.berlin.snafu.de> References: <000201bd8635$a59f2160$ed921fc3@danileo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:04:23 +0100 To: pdftex@tug.org From: Rebecca and Rowland Subject: Re: New York fount history Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 6:16 pm +0200 23/5/98, Stefan Haller wrote: >> Please help me find a Font, if you can: >> >> New York >> >> where is it? > >New York is an Apple font that is meant to be used for screen display >only, not for printing. This isn't really true: New York was designed to be used for screen display and printing on the original Macs. The thing is that it was designed for printing on a 144dpi printer (the original ImageWriter and ImageWriter II dot matrix printers). I think it's a very nice fount when used for that job. Yes, I do have an ImageWriter II (and a Mac 512Ke). No, I don't use either very often. > It is included with the Macintosh system >software. It's only available in TrueType format, not as a PostScript >font. Are you utterly sure of this? I have vague memories of using New York printed on a laser printer years ago (pre System 7 and TrueType) and I don't recall that it was a bitmap. My memory might be faulty. It was originally a bitmap fount as I recall. >When printing, you should probably replace this font with something like >Times. Assuming you're printing on a printer with decent resolution (300dpi or above), this is probably a good idea. Rowland. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 24 06:02:55 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA10112 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 06:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12096 for pdftex-list; Sun, 24 May 1998 07:57:55 -0400 Received: from lascas.math.ist.utl.pt (lascas.math.ist.utl.pt [193.136.196.3]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12093 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 07:57:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (jmatos@localhost) by lascas.math.ist.utl.pt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00674; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:57:35 +0100 (WET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: lascas.math.ist.utl.pt: jmatos owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:57:34 +0100 (WET DST) From: Joao Palhoto Matos To: Rebecca and Rowland cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: New York fount history In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 23 May 1998, Rebecca and Rowland wrote: > At 6:16 pm +0200 23/5/98, Stefan Haller wrote: > >> Please help me find a Font, if you can: > >> > >> New York > >> > >> where is it? > > > >New York is an Apple font that is meant to be used for screen display > >only, not for printing. > > This isn't really true: New York was designed to be used for screen display > and printing on the original Macs. The thing is that it was designed for > printing on a 144dpi printer (the original ImageWriter and ImageWriter II > dot matrix printers). > > I think it's a very nice fount when used for that job. Yes, I do have an > ImageWriter II (and a Mac 512Ke). No, I don't use either very often. > > > It is included with the Macintosh system > >software. It's only available in TrueType format, not as a PostScript > >font. > > Are you utterly sure of this? I have vague memories of using New York > printed on a laser printer years ago (pre System 7 and TrueType) and I > don't recall that it was a bitmap. My memory might be faulty. It was > originally a bitmap fount as I recall. Probably you printed with font substitution checked which is the default under Mac OS. It was a bitmap. > > >When printing, you should probably replace this font with something like > >Times. Correspondence between point sizes is not what you would expect. Joao Palhoto Matos Departamento de Matematica Instituto Superior Tecnico Lisboa From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 24 15:41:01 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22448 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14013 for pdftex-list; Sun, 24 May 1998 17:34:33 -0400 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14010 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 17:34:27 -0400 Received: from [194.119.133.51] [194.119.133.51] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0ydiOA-0002li-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:33:07 +0000 X-Sender: rebecca-astrid@mail.u-net.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:26:37 +0100 To: Joao Palhoto Matos From: Rebecca and Rowland Subject: Re: New York fount history Cc: pdftex@tug.org Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk At 12:57 pm +0100 24/5/98, Joao Palhoto Matos wrote: >On Sat, 23 May 1998, Rebecca and Rowland wrote: > >> At 6:16 pm +0200 23/5/98, Stefan Haller wrote: [snip] >> > It is included with the Macintosh system >> >software. It's only available in TrueType format, not as a PostScript >> >font. >> >> Are you utterly sure of this? I have vague memories of using New York >> printed on a laser printer years ago (pre System 7 and TrueType) and I >> don't recall that it was a bitmap. My memory might be faulty. It was >> originally a bitmap fount as I recall. > >Probably you printed with font substitution checked which is the default >under Mac OS. It was a bitmap. Possibly; it's only the default with PostScript printers, but that's what I was using. >> >When printing, you should probably replace this font with something like >> >Times. > >Correspondence between point sizes is not what you would expect. Hmm - I think I know what you mean. New York is a very `open' typeface with quite a large ex height. Sticking with the `standard 35' Type 1 founts, you might try New Century Schoolbook or maybe Palatino. Stone Serif is another fount that's not utterly dissimilar to New York. None of those suggestions is a particularly good match, but they're all much better than Times. Rowland. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 25 05:25:54 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28018 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 05:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17053 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:15:21 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17041 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:12:19 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10209 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:12:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24023 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:11:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805251111.NAA24023@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: T1 fonts setup To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:11:54 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, sometime ago somebody posted some messages about how to set up T1 fonts onto system (for win and UNIX) so AcroReader can find them. Can anyone repost these message again please? I want to add it to the manual. Many thanks in advance. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 25 07:56:36 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01886 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17590 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:49:24 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17584 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:48:25 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27073; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:46:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA03248; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805251355.PAA03248@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Subject: Re: T1 fonts setup In-Reply-To: <199805251111.NAA24023@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199805251111.NAA24023@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant $(C+ (BT1 fonts setup $(C;,(B Han The Thanh $(Cic(Brit : $(C+ (B $(C; (BHello all, hello you, $(C; (B $(C; (Bsometime ago somebody posted some messages about how to set up T1 fonts onto $(C; (Bsystem (for win and UNIX) so AcroReader can find them. Can anyone repost these $(C; (Bmessage again please? I want to add it to the manual. Many thanks in advance. $(C; (B in win, i thought that installing it in ATM was enough? or maybe you can only edit some .ini file? for unix, you have to put a copy of each font in PFA format in the directory Acrobat3/Fonts/, and then edit the file AcroRead.upr to add them, the program makepsres produces a PSres.upr file, that is almost identical (but it barfs on the Acrobat MM fonts) so you only have to cut and paste the lines corresponding to the new fonts. But this upr file format is very easy to read & edit by hand. BTW, i suppose that a makepsres could be very easily written in perl for that purpose. HzH (Hope Zis Helps) ThB From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon May 25 09:13:25 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03818 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17866 for pdftex-list; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:03:52 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17863 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:03:49 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl25.pi.net [145.220.204.25]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA11934; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:03:37 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:03:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35698AA9.4E049F28@pi.net> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:13:45 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: Hi Phil. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for abusing this list, but is something wrong with Phil Taylors email address? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 26 09:28:46 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01215 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23103 for pdftex-list; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:14:54 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23100 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:14:47 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-12-1.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.63]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA23757; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:13:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356ADCAD.89E825B@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:15:57 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: Han The Thanh , PDFTEX Subject: Re: T1 fonts setup References: <199805251111.NAA24023@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199805251355.PAA03248@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > > Concernant $(C+ (BT1 fonts setup $(C;,(B Han The Thanh $(Cic(Brit : $(C+ (B > $(C; (BHello all, > > hello you, > > $(C; (B > $(C; (Bsometime ago somebody posted some messages about how to set up T1 fonts onto > $(C; (Bsystem (for win and UNIX) so AcroReader can find them. Can anyone repost these > $(C; (Bmessage again please? I want to add it to the manual. Many thanks in advance. > $(C; (B > > in win, i thought that installing it in ATM was enough? > or maybe you can only edit some .ini file? > > for unix, you have to put a copy of each font in PFA format in the > directory Acrobat3/Fonts/, and then edit the file AcroRead.upr to add > them, the program makepsres produces a PSres.upr file, that is almost > identical (but it barfs on the Acrobat MM fonts) so you only have to > cut and paste the lines corresponding to the new fonts. But this upr > file format is very easy to read & edit by hand. BTW, i suppose that > a makepsres could be very easily written in perl for that purpose. > > HzH (Hope Zis Helps) > ThB Quoting Thorsten Schwander (15/3/98): "It turned out to be pretty easy for Win95 (probably also NT) even without ATM: all that is needed is a file "atm.ini" in the Win95 root directory which lists the full path to the type I fonts. See http://xxx.lanl.gov/help/pdfwindows.html for an example. With this file in place our fontless pdf displayed without any problems with acroread on Win95." I just tested it, and sure enough it worked. (A pdf file was reduced in size from 1.13 MB to 850 KB by not storing the font info in the file.) Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue May 26 14:40:17 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12098 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24328 for pdftex-list; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:34:43 -0400 Received: from mailout04.btx.dtag.de (mailout04.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.152]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24325 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:34:33 -0400 Received: from fwd13.btx.dtag.de (fwd13.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.173]) by mailout04.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0yeQNw-0000Ls-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:31:48 +0200 Received: from moebius.moebius.priv (063337222-0001(btxid)@[193.159.12.194]) by fwd13.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:31:35 +0200 Received: from localhost (skirsch@localhost) by moebius.moebius.priv (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20243 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 22:30:25 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:30:25 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: Sebastian Kirsch To: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: line breaks in annotations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: 063337222-0001@t-online.de From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am looking for a way to include line breaks into pdf annotations; according to the PDF specs this is possible, but I haven't found a way yet to get a line break through TeX's token algorithm. The normal (La)TeX ways don't seem to work. Han The Thanh told me that someone on this list has found a solution, but that he didn't remember what it was. Can anyone help? Ah yes, I use pdfTeX 0.11, which I incorporated rather clumsily into my (heavily modified) teTeX-0.3.4 distribution. Yours, Sebastian skirsch@t-online.de /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 02:31:32 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15999 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 02:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA27076 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 04:22:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA27073 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 04:22:08 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl28.pi.net [145.220.204.28]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA11020; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:21:59 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:21:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356BCCAD.4E430E0E@pi.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:19:57 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Kirsch CC: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: line breaks in annotations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote: > yet to get a line break through TeX's token algorithm. The normal (La)TeX > ways don't seem to work. Well, plain tex does, so the next solution must also work in LaTeX. > Han The Thanh told me that someone on this list has found a solution, but > that he didn't remember what it was. Can anyone help? Here we go: \pdfoutput=1 % here start the definitions \bgroup \catcode`\^^M=13 % \@@active \gdef\obeypdfannottextlines% % say this when you want to obey linebreaks {\def\doobeypdfannottextlines% {\catcode`\^^M=13 % \@@active \let^^M=\\}} \global\let\doobeypdfannottextlines=\relax \egroup \newif\ifopenpdftextannot % say \openpdftextannot when they should be open \def\pdfannottext#1#% {\bgroup \def\\{\string\r}% \doobeypdfannottextlines \def\next##1% {\pdfannot#1% {/Subtype /Text {/Subtype /Text \ifopenpdftextannot/Open true \fi /Contents (##1)}% \egroup}% \next} \pdfannottext width 8cm height 2cm {hello beautiful\\world} \vbox to 4cm{} \obeypdfannottextlines \pdfannottext width 8cm height 2cm {hello beautiful world} \end Currently I'm working on field annotations, and I already got a mechanism for forcing accented stuff into those. Maybe I work out a solution for text annotations too, but I have to admit that this is the first time I defined one. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 05:24:04 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20238 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA27642 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:00:05 -0400 Received: from judhistar.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de (judhistar.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.123.140]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27639 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:00:03 -0400 Received: from hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (judhistar.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de [127.0.0.1]) by judhistar.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAA24072 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:59:42 +0200 Message-ID: <356BF21E.A7D15888@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:59:42 +0200 From: Marcel Holtmann Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Can`t compile with web2c 7.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, i cant`t compile pdftex because the configure script of web2c 7.1 generates a horrable Makefile in the web2c-7.1/web2c dir. Is there a patch for configure, configure.in and Makefile.in for the distribution of web2c 7.1. Thanks Marcel -- ___________________________________________________ Universitaet Bielefeld - Technische Fakultaet AG Rechnernetze und verteilte Systeme Marcel Holtmann (marcel@rvs.uni-bielefeld.de) Raum D6-129 - Telefon 0521/106-5325 http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/~marcel ___________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 05:41:00 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20696 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA27779 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:33:32 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27776 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:33:30 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27574; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:33:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20241; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:33:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805271133.NAA20241@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12m To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:33:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik), koala@informatics.muni.cz (Ondrej Koala) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, pdftex-0.12m is available at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12m This (VERY ALPHA) version supports JPEG inclusion (thank to Jiri Osoba) and PDF inclusion (using codes from xpdf-0.7a by Derek B. Noonburg). I've not updated the manual yet. To include a picture, just use \pdfimage primitive as for PNG images. Type of picture is given by file name extension. File name with `.pdf' extension is treated as PDF file, similiarly extension `.png' stands for PNG image and the rest for JPEG. I've tested PDF inclusion for all PS samples from GhostScript distribution. All work well with AcroReader, but GS fails and xpdf has trouble with font handling. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 06:41:45 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22375 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28021 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:35:55 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28018 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:35:53 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id NAA17367; hop 0; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:30:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 27 May 1998 13:35:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:32:00 +0100 Message-ID: <8619-Wed27May1998133200+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 Q); VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: holtmann@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Can`t compile with web2c 7.1 In-Reply-To: <356BF21E.A7D15888@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> References: <356BF21E.A7D15888@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk moral: get web2c 7.2, the current release. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 06:47:14 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22550 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28016 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:35:03 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28013 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:35:01 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21049 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:35:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id OAA00013; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:44:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:44:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805271244.OAA00013@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Manual X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk the manual disappeared from ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/ !!!!!???? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 07:04:45 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23090 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28102 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:57:02 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28096 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:56:55 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22521; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:56:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA00907; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:06:11 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:06:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805271306.PAA00907@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX), Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik), koala@informatics.muni.cz (Ondrej Koala) Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271133.NAA20241@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199805271133.NAA20241@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant $(C+ (Bpdftex-0.12m $(C;,(B Han The Thanh $(Cic(Brit : $(C+ (B $(C; (Bwork well with AcroReader, but GS fails and xpdf has trouble with font handling. xpdf has always problems with fonts because they need to be installed in X (or did that change?) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 07:22:04 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23763 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28151 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:07:37 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28148 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:07:36 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA18476; hop 0; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:02:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 27 May 1998 14:07:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: <9327-Wed27May1998140431+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 I); VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271133.NAA20241@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199805271133.NAA20241@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh writes: > pdftex-0.12m is available at > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12m > I am salivating all over the keyboard at the thought of this JPEG and PDF inclusion (can we have TIFF too :-}), but unfortunately the directory has no 0.12m *sources* in, that I can see. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 07:28:10 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23987 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28217 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:22:19 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28210 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:21:29 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07336; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27163; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805271321.PAA27163@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd) To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from thanh ----- >From thanh Wed May 27 14:57:51 1998 Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271233.NAA01008@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> from Prof Brian Ripley at "May 27, 98 01:33:42 pm" To: ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:57:51 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] Content-Length: 1065 > > From: Han The Thanh > > Subject: pdftex-0.12m > > To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) > > Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:33:05 +0200 (MET DST) > > Cc: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik), koala@informatics.muni.cz (Ondrej > Koala) > > > > Hi all, > > > > pdftex-0.12m is available at > > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12m > > > There is no (visible) source there, just binaries. Was that intended? > > > -- > Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk > Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ > University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) > 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) > Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 yes. I still have some problem with config scripts. I've asked Olaf Weber (current web2c' maintainer) for help on that. Another point is xpdf sources may not be distributed without explicit permission. I've written the author about that. Still waiting for the reply. Thanh ----- End of forwarded message from thanh ----- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 07:59:45 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24955 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28341 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:51:49 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28338 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:51:46 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09344; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:51:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28864; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:51:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805271351.PAA28864@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <199805271244.OAA00013@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "May 27, 98 02:44:23 pm" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:51:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > the manual disappeared from > > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/ > > !!!!!???? yes, as many things are not actual anymore, so I think it would be better not to out on the manual untill it is updated. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 08:06:56 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25298 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:06:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28355 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:53:17 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28333 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:50:26 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00982; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:49:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA24769; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:49:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:49:17 +0200 Message-Id: <199805271349.PAA24769@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805271133.NAA20241@anxur.fi.muni.cz> (message from Han The Thanh on Wed, 27 May 1998 13:33:05 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Hi all, > pdftex-0.12m is available at > ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12m 1. While I found binaries for various platforms including Solaris and Linux (libc-6) in the pdftex-0.12m/bin subdirectory, the source distributions seems to be missing this time for some reason. I expect that I will need it to compile on Linux (libc-5). 2, I briefly tested the new version of ttf2afm on Solaris 2.6, using some of the system fonts from /usr/openwin/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType. While the problems about dropping unencoded characters for 8a.enc seem to be fixed, I still find the output a little suspicious. If 1000 units correspond to 10pt, does it make sense that XHeight, CapHeight and Ascender are 916, 1356 and 1825 for TimesNewRoman.ttf? Compare this to 450, 662 and 683 for Adobe Times-Roman.afm Judging from the glyph metrics of individual characters, I would expect the correct values to be 447, 662 and 694. C 69 ; WX 610 ; N E ; B 20 0 587 662 ; -> CapHeight 662 C 104 ; WX 500 ; N h ; B 6 0 493 694 ; -> Ascender 694 C 120 ; WX 500 ; N x ; B 13 0 487 447 ; -> XHeight 447 Don't you agree? It appears that ttf2afm has improved somewhat, but it still isn't completely bug-free. Cheers, Ulrik. P.S. Another question: Should the following non-glyphs be represented in the generated AFM file, or should they be filtered out? C -1 ; WX 777 ; N .notdef ; B 125 0 625 625 ; C -1 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 125 0 625 625 ; In particular, I'd expect the .notdef non-glyph to be causing trouble when reencoding AFM files. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Comment Converted at Wed May 27 15:11:29 1998 by ttf2afm from font file `TimesNewRoman.ttf' StartFontMetrics 2.0 FontName TimesNewRomanPSMT FullName Times New Roman Notice Typeface $(C) (BThe Monotype Corporation plc. Data $(C) (BThe Monotype Corporation plc/Type Solutions Inc. 1990-1992. All Rights Reserved ItalicAngle 0 IsFixedPitch false FontBBox -166 -215 1008 912 UnderlinePosition -223 UnderlineThickness 100 CapHeight 1356 XHeight 916 Ascender 1825 Descender -443 StartCharMetrics 242 C 32 ; WX 250 ; N space ; B 125 0 625 625 ; C 33 ; WX 333 ; N exclam ; B 111 -13 221 677 ; C 34 ; WX 408 ; N quotedbl ; B 64 392 341 677 ; C 35 ; WX 500 ; N numbersign ; B 18 -13 481 677 ; C 36 ; WX 500 ; N dollar ; B 52 -76 449 717 ; C 37 ; WX 833 ; N percent ; B 35 -27 798 677 ; C 38 ; WX 777 ; N ampersand ; B 36 -15 747 677 ; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - StartFontMetrics 2.0 Comment Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. Comment Creation Date: Tue Mar 20 12:15:44 1990 Comment UniqueID 28416 Comment VMusage 30487 37379 FontName Times-Roman FullName Times Roman FamilyName Times Weight Roman ItalicAngle 0 IsFixedPitch false FontBBox -168 -218 1000 898 UnderlinePosition -100 UnderlineThickness 50 Version 001.007 Notice Copyright (c) 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved.Times is a trademark of Linotype AG and/or its subsidiaries. EncodingScheme AdobeStandardEncoding CapHeight 662 XHeight 450 Ascender 683 Descender -217 StartCharMetrics 228 C 32 ; WX 250 ; N space ; B 0 0 0 0 ; C 33 ; WX 333 ; N exclam ; B 130 -9 238 676 ; C 34 ; WX 408 ; N quotedbl ; B 77 431 331 676 ; C 35 ; WX 500 ; N numbersign ; B 5 0 496 662 ; C 36 ; WX 500 ; N dollar ; B 44 -87 457 727 ; C 37 ; WX 833 ; N percent ; B 61 -13 772 676 ; C 38 ; WX 778 ; N ampersand ; B 42 -13 750 676 ; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 08:14:01 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25524 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28419 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:06:01 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28413 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:05:56 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06373; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:07:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26057; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:07:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805271307.PAA26057@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271306.PAA00907@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "May 27, 98 03:06:11 pm" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:07:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Concernant $(C+ (Bpdftex-0.12m $(C;,(B Han The Thanh $(Cic(Brit : $(C+ (B > $(C; (Bwork well with AcroReader, but GS fails and xpdf has trouble with font handling. > > xpdf has always problems with fonts because they need to be installed > in X (or did that change?) no, this is a little different: PDF-1.0 requires that all fonts used in page description including fonts used in XObject Forms to be specified in Resources for that page. In PDF-1.2 it's changed that fonts used in XObject Forms can be specified in Resources for the Form, not necessarily in Resources of the page containing the XObject Forms. The author of xpdf knows about that. Perhaps next release will fix it. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 09:06:55 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27341 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28717 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:00:51 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28714 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:00:46 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14731; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:59:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02367; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:59:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805271459.QAA02367@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271349.PAA24769@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> from Ulrik Vieth at "May 27, 98 03:49:17 pm" To: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (Ulrik Vieth) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:59:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > 2, I briefly tested the new version of ttf2afm on Solaris 2.6, using > some of the system fonts from /usr/openwin/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType. > While the problems about dropping unencoded characters for 8a.enc seem > to be fixed, I still find the output a little suspicious. > > If 1000 units correspond to 10pt, does it make sense that XHeight, > CapHeight and Ascender are 916, 1356 and 1825 for TimesNewRoman.ttf? > Compare this to 450, 662 and 683 for Adobe Times-Roman.afm > Judging from the glyph metrics of individual characters, I would > expect the correct values to be 447, 662 and 694. > > C 69 ; WX 610 ; N E ; B 20 0 587 662 ; -> CapHeight 662 > > C 104 ; WX 500 ; N h ; B 6 0 493 694 ; -> Ascender 694 > > C 120 ; WX 500 ; N x ; B 13 0 487 447 ; -> XHeight 447 > > Don't you agree? It appears that ttf2afm has improved somewhat, > but it still isn't completely bug-free. I've run ttfdump on times.ttf, and it has shown that XHeight, CapHeight and Ascender have the values as ttf2afm gives, so I wouldn't call this a bug of ttf2afm. Of course ttf2afm can calculate them from the metrics of 'E', 'h' and 'x' as you mentioned above and ignore the values from the font file. I'm willing to change it if needed. > P.S. Another question: Should the following non-glyphs be represented > in the generated AFM file, or should they be filtered out? > > C -1 ; WX 777 ; N .notdef ; B 125 0 625 625 ; > C -1 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 125 0 625 625 ; > > In particular, I'd expect the .notdef non-glyph to be causing trouble > when reencoding AFM files. ok, will leave them out Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 09:49:58 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28922 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28884 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:38:43 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28881 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:38:41 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01314; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:37:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA27360; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:37:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:37:35 +0200 Message-Id: <199805271537.RAA27360@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805271459.QAA02367@anxur.fi.muni.cz> (message from Han The Thanh on Wed, 27 May 1998 16:59:55 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I've run ttfdump on times.ttf, and it has shown that XHeight, > CapHeight and Ascender have the values as ttf2afm gives, so I > wouldn't call this a bug of ttf2afm. Of course ttf2afm can calculate > them from the metrics of 'E', 'h' and 'x' as you mentioned above and > ignore the values from the font file. I'm willing to change it if > needed. I agree that ttf2afm should, in principle, give the values which are stored in the actual font. If these values do not bear any relation to the glyph metrics, I'd rather call that a bug of the TTF fonts. AFAIK, fontinst tries to determine the xheight fontdimen from the height of the character `x', so a misleading XHeight specification in the AFM shouldn't cause any harm. >> P.S. Another question: Should the following non-glyphs be represented >> in the generated AFM file, or should they be filtered out? >> >> C -1 ; WX 777 ; N .notdef ; B 125 0 625 625 ; >> C -1 ; WX 0 ; N .null ; B 125 0 625 625 ; >> >> In particular, I'd expect the .notdef non-glyph to be causing trouble >> when reencoding AFM files. > ok, will leave them out Fine, thanks. Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 09:54:19 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29018 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28935 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:49:22 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28932 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:49:19 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-12-8.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.70]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA11853 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:49:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356C3692.5A9170D9@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:51:46 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex 0.12m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, By a coincidence I downloaded pdftex.zip a couple of days ago, expecting to find version 0.12l, and was surprised to find version 0.12m -- but presumably a little different from the one Thanh has just released. When I read Thanh's message just now I tried including a jpeg image, and it worked, although trying to adjust the size of the image with (e.g.) \pdfimage width = 5cm file.jpg didn't alter the size at all. So then I got the latest version of pdftex 0.12m, but found to my disappointment that acroread didn't like the pdf file with a jpeg image in it. I get "there was an error processing a page. There was a problem reading this document (14)" Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 10:54:49 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00602 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29208 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:46:41 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29205 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:46:39 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09851; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:46:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA10013; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:56:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:56:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805271656.SAA10013@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Ulrik Vieth Cc: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271537.RAA27360@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> References: <199805271459.QAA02367@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <199805271537.RAA27360@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk $(C; (BAFAIK, fontinst tries to determine the xheight fontdimen from the $(C; (Bheight of the character `x', so a misleading XHeight specification $(C; (Bin the AFM shouldn't cause any harm. AFA_I_K, fontinst only tries that if it doesn't find the value from the AFM, if it finds that in the AFM, it won't override it unless you explicitly ask for it. if you \setint{a}{x} \setint{a}{y} \setint{a}{z} \setint{a}{0} only the first one counts. Th. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 11:29:59 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01667 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29388 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:27:57 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29385 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:27:53 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01438; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:26:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA27583; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:26:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:26:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199805271726.TAA27583@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr CC: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805271656.SAA10013@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> (message from Thierry Bouche on Wed, 27 May 1998 18:56:02 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > $(C; (BAFAIK, fontinst tries to determine the xheight fontdimen from the > $(C; (Bheight of the character `x', so a misleading XHeight specification > $(C; (Bin the AFM shouldn't cause any harm. > AFA_I_K, fontinst only tries that if it doesn't find the value from > the AFM, if it finds that in the AFM, it won't override it unless you > explicitly ask for it. > if you > \setint{a}{x} > \setint{a}{y} > \setint{a}{z} > \setint{a}{0} > only the first one counts. I stand corrected. I was thinking about the default settings: latin.mtx: \setint{xheight}{\height{x}} \setint{capheight}{\height{A}} \setint{ascender}{\height{d}} \setint{descender}{\depth{g}} 8r.etx: \ifisglyph{x}\then \setint{xheight}{\height{x}} \else \setint{xheight}{500} \fi If, however, only the first setting from the AFM file counts, I'm afraid we have a problem if some fonts contain incorrect information. As it turns out, of all the Monotype TrueType fonts in Solaris 2.6, only TimesNewRoman and Arial actually seem to have a specification of XHeight and CapHeight in the generated AFM files. All the other fonts just have weird values of Ascender (between 1618 and 2060) and Descender (between -434 and -620), but AFAICT these aren't used anywhere other than recording them in fontdimens in t1.etx. Anyway, for TimesNewRoman I did indeed get an incredible xheight of 9.15pt for a 10pt font, which produces rather strange results when it comes to the placement of accents. See for yourself: http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~vieth/src/testfont.pdf (containing font tables of mtmr8t and mtmr8c) Cheers, Ulrik. P.S. Conclusion: If the XHeight and CapHeight values of TTF fonts are unreliable, it might indeed be better to calculate them from the glyph metrics. Opinions, anyone? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 11:34:19 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01777 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29411 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:31:55 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29408 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:31:53 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12061; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:31:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA10577; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:41:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:41:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805271741.TAA10577@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Ulrik Vieth Cc: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr, thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271726.TAA27583@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> References: <199805271656.SAA10013@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199805271726.TAA27583@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk $(C; (BP.S. Conclusion: If the XHeight and CapHeight values of TTF fonts $(C; (Bare unreliable, it might indeed be better to calculate them from $(C; (Bthe glyph metrics. Opinions, anyone? $(C; (B Make it an option! [or maybe, these values in the TTF file are relative to another scale than the standard 1000 /10 of PS fonts ? TTF fonts do have another default grid] Thierry From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 11:45:23 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02099 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29475 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:42:38 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29472 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:42:36 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl16.pi.net [145.220.204.16]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA08425; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:42:12 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:42:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356C52D8.E475EAA1@pi.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:52:24 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Howlett CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.12m References: <356C3692.5A9170D9@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Robert Howlett wrote: > By a coincidence I downloaded pdftex.zip a couple of > days ago, expecting to find version 0.12l, > and was surprised to find version 0.12m -- but presumably > a little different from the one Thanh has just released. > When I read Thanh's message just now I tried including a jpeg image, > and it worked, although trying to adjust the size of the > image with (e.g.) > \pdfimage width = 5cm file.jpg I wasn't aware of this = in the syntax. It does not belong there (just like there is no = in th ehrul especification. > didn't alter the size at all. > So then I got the latest version of pdftex 0.12m, but > found to my disappointment that acroread didn't like the > pdf file with a jpeg image in it. I get "there was an > error processing a page. There was a problem reading this > document (14)" Does anybody know what those numbers (there are far more than 100 of them) mean? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 11:53:33 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02314 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29520 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:51:42 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29517 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:51:39 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01457; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:50:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA27671; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:50:37 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:50:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199805271750.TAA27671@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr CC: thanh@informatics.muni.cz, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805271741.TAA10577@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> (message from Thierry Bouche on Wed, 27 May 1998 19:41:13 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > $(C; (BP.S. Conclusion: If the XHeight and CapHeight values of TTF fonts > $(C; (Bare unreliable, it might indeed be better to calculate them from > $(C; (Bthe glyph metrics. Opinions, anyone? > $(C; (B > Make it an option! > [or maybe, these values in the TTF file are relative to another scale > than the standard 1000 /10 of PS fonts ? TTF fonts do have another > default grid] This is indeed what I would suspect since I find it hard to believe that a respectable font supplier such as Monotpye wouldn't notice such obvious problems. Anyway, I have packaged the results of my fontinst runs: http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~vieth/src/solaris-ttf-cooked.tar.gz Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 12:33:40 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03506 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29740 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:30:59 -0400 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29737 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:30:56 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02524 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:30:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m0yekCv-000clkC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Wed, 27 May 1998 19:41:45 +0200 (CEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Can`t compile with web2c 7.1 References: <356BF21E.A7D15888@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.105) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 27 May 1998 19:41:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Marcel Holtmann's message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 12:59:42 +0200" Message-ID: <87wwb74nmv.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Marcel Holtmann writes: > i cant`t compile pdftex because the configure script of web2c 7.1 > generates a horrable Makefile in the web2c-7.1/web2c dir. Is there a > patch for configure, configure.in and Makefile.in for the > distribution of web2c 7.1. No. Depending on the exact version of pdftex, you have sources that work either with web2c 7.0 or with with web2c 7.2. There are no pdftex sources that work with web2c 7.1. -- Olaf Weber From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 15:15:17 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07903 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA30478 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:12:24 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA30475 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:12:20 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01222; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:12:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA16651; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:12:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805272112.XAA16651@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex-0.12m In-Reply-To: <199805271750.TAA27671@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> from Ulrik Vieth at "May 27, 98 07:50:37 pm" To: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (Ulrik Vieth) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:12:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > > $(C; (BP.S. Conclusion: If the XHeight and CapHeight values of TTF fonts > > $(C; (Bare unreliable, it might indeed be better to calculate them from > > $(C; (Bthe glyph metrics. Opinions, anyone? > > $(C; (B > > > Make it an option! > > [or maybe, these values in the TTF file are relative to another scale > > than the standard 1000 /10 of PS fonts ? TTF fonts do have another > > default grid] > > This is indeed what I would suspect since I find it hard to believe > that a respectable font supplier such as Monotpye wouldn't notice > such obvious problems. ok. will make it available via an option Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 18:37:26 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12867 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA31458 for pdftex-list; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:36:08 -0400 Received: from aida.inet.cz (aida.inet.cz [194.196.192.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA31455 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:36:06 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (pavel@dialup1.inet.cz [194.196.193.1]) by aida.inet.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA07031; Thu, 28 May 1998 02:34:32 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA00840; Thu, 28 May 1998 02:06:43 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:06:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199805280006.CAA00840@SnowWhite.inet.cz> From: "Pavel Janik ml." To: Han The Thanh CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805271321.PAA27163@anxur.fi.muni.cz> (message from Han The Thanh on Wed, 27 May 1998 15:21:13 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) X-Mailer: Rmail with MIME support/GNU Emacs X-Emacs: GNU Emacs running on SnowWhiteII X-Operating-System: Linux 2.1.102 on Intel, Linux 2.0.32 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-URL-PGP: http://www.inet.cz/~pjanik X-Phone: +420 5 41321276 ext. 171, +420 5 41321251 ext. 17 X-Spam: No unsolicitised e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicitised e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-to: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Han The Thanh Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Hi, > yes. I still have some problem with config scripts. I've asked Olaf Weber > (current web2c' maintainer) for help on that. Another point is xpdf sources > may not be distributed without explicit permission. I've written the author I think you shouldn't distribute any part of xpdf with pdfTeX cause of pdfTeX's GNU GPL license and conditions for distributing xpdf sources. If you do so, pdfTeX is no more under GPL, because I cannot modify or distribute modified sources of pdfTeX (this directly violates GNU GPL License Version 2). (But if you persuade Derek Noonburg of GPL beeing good, it's great :-) (When replying to this mail, please CC to me as I'm not reading pdftex list too often. Thanks.) -- Pavel Janik ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed May 27 22:51:37 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17785 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 22:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA32495 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:48:38 -0400 Received: from mailout04.btx.dtag.de (mailout04.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.152]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA32492 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:48:36 -0400 Received: from fwd01.btx.dtag.de (fwd01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.161]) by mailout04.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0yeubh-0001pJ-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 06:48:01 +0200 Received: from moebius.moebius.priv (063337222-0001(btxid)@[193.159.12.230]) by fwd01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Thu, 28 May 1998 06:47:50 +0200 Received: from localhost (skirsch@localhost) by moebius.moebius.priv (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05052 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:31:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:31:27 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: Sebastian Kirsch To: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: line breaks in annotations In-Reply-To: <356BCCAD.4E430E0E@pi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: 063337222-0001@t-online.de From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 May 1998, Hans Hagen wrote: > Well, plain tex does, so the next solution must also work in LaTeX. It probably does, but not with pdfTeX 0.11 which doesn't have \pdfannot, only \pdfannottext. Is there a workaround for pdfTeX 0.11? I downloaded the latest version (0.12m) this evening, but unfortunately the Linux version is linked against libc-6, whereas I only have libc-5. (I should get a whole new distribution installed in the very near future, but I am short of time at the moment, and cannot risk destroying my working system. (I already upgraded from libc-4 to libc-5 by hand, and I _don't_ want to do something like that again!)) Does anybody know where a rather-more-recent version that is linked against libc-5 is available? Yours, Sebastian (waiting for teTeX-1.0---and a distribution that has it.) skirsch@t-online.de /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 01:39:48 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07618 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA00463 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 03:36:04 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00460 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 03:36:02 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl24.pi.net [145.220.204.24]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA03412; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:35:52 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:35:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356D11B9.3108161A@pi.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:26:49 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Kirsch CC: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: line breaks in annotations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote: > It probably does, but not with pdfTeX 0.11 which doesn't have \pdfannot, > only \pdfannottext. Is there a workaround for pdfTeX 0.11? Just change \pdfannot into \pdfannottext and remove the /SubType /Text line. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 01:40:10 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07675 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA00470 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 03:36:28 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00467 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 03:36:27 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl24.pi.net [145.220.204.24]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA03430; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:35:57 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:35:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356D14D8.7364C3A7@pi.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:40:08 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz CC: Han The Thanh , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) References: <199805280006.CAA00840@SnowWhite.inet.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pavel Janik ml. wrote: > I think you shouldn't distribute any part of xpdf with pdfTeX cause of > pdfTeX's GNU GPL license and conditions for distributing xpdf > sources. If you do so, pdfTeX is no more under GPL, because I cannot > modify or distribute modified sources of pdfTeX (this directly That's ok with me because I will *not* modify the source. BTW, is TeX itself (and etex) 100% under GPL? And isn't at least MetaFont even more copyrighted? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 02:54:54 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11512 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 02:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA00780 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:40:24 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00777 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:40:06 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01902; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:36:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:36:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199805280836.JAA01902@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org CC: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz In-reply-to: <356D14D8.7364C3A7@pi.net> (message from Hans Hagen on Thu, 28 May 1998 09:40:08 +0200) Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) References: <199805280006.CAA00840@SnowWhite.inet.cz> <356D14D8.7364C3A7@pi.net> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans writes > That's ok with me because I will *not* modify the source. BTW, is TeX > itself (and etex) 100% under GPL? And isn't at least MetaFont even more > copyrighted? TeX and metafont are not at all under GPL. They are copyright Knuth and or the AMS and distributed under specific conditions that are quite different from GPL. A GPL'ed TeX would not have protected the _language_ (anyone can take a GPL'ed program and modify it and distribute the modifications under the same name) also it would not have allowed binary distributions such as emtex, Y&Ytex, textures, ..... It is in many ways a shame that much of the more recent work `around' tex (k*, pdftex, ....) are only available under GPL as that will lead to problems if at some future point the TeX world wants to standardise on any of these extensions without cutting out a large proportion of the existing tex distributions. (Note that the GPL is not all bad, and it is possible to distribute code under more than one license, GPL and something else). David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 03:01:59 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA11677 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 03:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA00808 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:46:19 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00803 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:46:00 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22004; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:45:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07660; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:45:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805280845.KAA07660@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) In-Reply-To: <199805280006.CAA00840@SnowWhite.inet.cz> from "Pavel Janik ml." at "May 28, 98 02:06:43 am" To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:45:48 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > yes. I still have some problem with config scripts. I've asked Olaf Weber > > (current web2c' maintainer) for help on that. Another point is xpdf sources > > may not be distributed without explicit permission. I've written the author > > I think you shouldn't distribute any part of xpdf with pdfTeX cause of > pdfTeX's GNU GPL license and conditions for distributing xpdf > sources. If you do so, pdfTeX is no more under GPL, because I cannot > modify or distribute modified sources of pdfTeX (this directly > violates GNU GPL License Version 2). (But if you persuade Derek > Noonburg of GPL beeing good, it's great :-) > > (When replying to this mail, please CC to me as I'm not reading pdftex > list too often. Thanks.) I've just received the reply from the author of xpdf saying that distributing pdftex with codes from xpdf under GPL license is ok, if the original xpdf' README and lisence is included. So I'm going to put on the sources soon. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 03:48:46 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA12926 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 03:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA01009 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:39:36 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA01006 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:39:34 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl20.pi.net [145.220.204.20]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA01789; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:38:51 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:38:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356D330E.46D64D91@pi.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:49:02 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: pdftex@tug.org, Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) References: <199805280006.CAA00840@SnowWhite.inet.cz> <356D14D8.7364C3A7@pi.net> <199805280836.JAA01902@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > > Hans writes > > > That's ok with me because I will *not* modify the source. BTW, is TeX > > itself (and etex) 100% under GPL? And isn't at least MetaFont even more > > copyrighted? > > TeX and metafont are not at all under GPL. They are copyright Knuth and > or the AMS and distributed under specific conditions that are quite > different from GPL. Right, the tex/mf books explicitly tell us so. > A GPL'ed TeX would not have protected the _language_ (anyone can take > a GPL'ed program and modify it and distribute the modifications under > the same name) also it would not have allowed binary distributions such > as emtex, Y&Ytex, textures, ..... Do you mean that under GPL indeed one may distribute a binary under the same name? > It is in many ways a shame that much of the more recent work `around' > tex (k*, pdftex, ....) are only available under GPL as that will lead > to problems if at some future point the TeX world wants to standardise > on any of these extensions without cutting out a large proportion of the > existing tex distributions. > > (Note that the GPL is not all bad, and it is possible to distribute code > under more than one license, GPL and something else). Then, shouldn't the user groups come up with an addendum copyright notice? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 04:04:02 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13222 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA01057 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:52:01 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA01051 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:51:59 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01970; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:49:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:49:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199805280949.KAA01970@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org CC: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz In-reply-to: <356D330E.46D64D91@pi.net> (message from Hans Hagen on Thu, 28 May 1998 11:49:02 +0200) Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) References: <199805280006.CAA00840@SnowWhite.inet.cz> <356D14D8.7364C3A7@pi.net> <199805280836.JAA01902@nag.co.uk> <356D330E.46D64D91@pi.net> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Do you mean that under GPL indeed one may distribute a binary under the > same name? You can't make binary only distributions under GPL (well you can but you have to offer to make the sources available if asked) so emtex and all the commercial distributions would not be allowed at all if tex was GPL. If you are making a modified distribution then yes you can distribute it under the same name. You can take the GNU emacs sources, add any modifications you like to come up with a totally modified interface and release the result under GPL still called emacs. This might be good as a way of encouraging development in an editor but had TeX been distributed under those conditions it would have killed any idea of tex being a standard language that worked the same way on all platforms. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 05:21:45 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15158 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA01344 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:00:49 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01341 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:00:43 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats [163.1.20.20]) by toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA03425; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:59:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805281059.LAA03425@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:59:07 +0100 (BST) From: Prof Brian Ripley Reply-To: Prof Brian Ripley Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) To: pragma@pi.net Cc: pdftex@tug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: B+ZmDvJhoz2wBfOcKts/qA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Hans Hagen , quoting David Carlisle (I think) > > It is in many ways a shame that much of the more recent work `around' > > tex (k*, pdftex, ....) are only available under GPL as that will lead > > to problems if at some future point the TeX world wants to standardise > > on any of these extensions without cutting out a large proportion of the > > existing tex distributions. > > > > (Note that the GPL is not all bad, and it is possible to distribute code > > under more than one license, GPL and something else). > > Then, shouldn't the user groups come up with an addendum copyright > notice? > Sorry to be pedantic, but as I am having this problem with my statistics code it is rather close to my heart. (Both a commercial vendor and a GPL-ed package have lifted my copyrighted code without asking.) I think you can have GPL OR something else. I don't think you can alter GPL. That is, you can have a licence that says `You may at your choice accept this product under licence A or licence B...' We have done this, where licence A allows unchanged redistribution by anyone, and licence B puts a strict subset of the code under GPL with all that that entails. Only the copyright holder can do this, of course. -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 05:57:44 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA16013 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA01554 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:49:20 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01551 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:49:18 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl20.pi.net [145.220.204.20]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA25892; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:48:38 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:48:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356D515F.594A030B@pi.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:58:23 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Prof Brian Ripley CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) References: <199805281059.LAA03425@toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Prof Brian Ripley wrote: > > > From: Hans Hagen , quoting David Carlisle (I think) > > > > It is in many ways a shame that much of the more recent work `around' > > > tex (k*, pdftex, ....) are only available under GPL as that will lead > > > to problems if at some future point the TeX world wants to standardise > > > on any of these extensions without cutting out a large proportion of the > > > existing tex distributions. > > > > > > (Note that the GPL is not all bad, and it is possible to distribute code > > > under more than one license, GPL and something else). > > > > Then, shouldn't the user groups come up with an addendum copyright > > notice? > > > > Sorry to be pedantic, but as I am having this problem with my statistics > code it is rather close to my heart. (Both a commercial vendor and > a GPL-ed package have lifted my copyrighted code without asking.) That's why I was thinking of a more restricted copyright notice than GPL, one just like the one that TeX cs have. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 07:13:33 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18228 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01928 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:03:38 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01922 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:02:51 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03011 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:01:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA28330; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:01:44 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:01:44 +0200 Message-Id: <199805281301.PAA28330@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ttf2afm dimensions From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Yesterday, I brought up the subject of inconsistencies in the AFM files produced by ttf2afm, resulting in values such as CapHeight 1356 XHeight 916 Ascender 1825 Descender -443 for TimesNewRomanPSMT. After consulting the "Truetype Fundamentals" page at http://www.microsoft.com/typography/OTSPEC/TTCH01.htm I got the impression that the so-called Contol Value Table (CVT) is based on a different grid using 2048 units per up, rather than 1000. A quick plausibility check: CapHeight 1356 * 1000 / 2048 = 662 XHeight 916 * 1000 / 2048 = 447 Ascender 1825 * 1000 / 2048 = 891 Descender -443 * 1000 / 2048 = 216 The resulting values for CapHeight, XHeight and Descender make sense. As for Ascender, I wonder if there is some offset missing: Asc - Desc (1825 - 443) * 1000 / 2048 = 674 Well, this is not quite the value I would have expected (694), but it almost fits for digists (675) or capitals with round ends (677). Maybe, there's another entry in the CVT, which is more suitable. Below, is the example table from the above-mentioned document. Entry # Value Description 0 0 upper and lower case flat base(base line) 1 -39 upper case round base 2 -35 lower case round base 3 -33 figure round base 4 1082 x-height flat 5 1114 x-height round overlap 6 1493 flat cap 7 1522 round cap 8 1463 numbers flat 9 1491 numbers round top 10 1493 flat ascender 11 1514 round ascender 12 157 x stem weight 13 127 y stem weight 14 57 serif 15 83 space between the dot and the I (Hope that including this table doesn't violate any M$ copyright.) Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 08:07:31 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19964 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02154 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:59:40 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02148 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:58:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:57:34 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pragma@pi.net CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980528145734.6ab4@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> That's ok with me because I will *not* modify the source. BTW, is TeX >> itself (and etex) 100% under GPL? And isn't at least MetaFont even more >> copyrighted? I would be _very_ surprised if TeX were under GPL; and e-TeX follows TeX's example. ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 08:27:58 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20834 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02248 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:22:02 -0400 Received: from math.ams.org (math.ams.org [130.44.210.14]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02245 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:22:01 -0400 Received: from SUN06.AMS.ORG by math.ams.org via smtpd (for tug.org [158.121.106.10]) with SMTP; 28 May 1998 14:22:01 UT Received: from sun06.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with SMTP id <0ETO005FO7WK24@sun06.ams.org> for PDFTEX@tug.org; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:21:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbara Beeton Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) In-reply-to: <980528145734.6ab4@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: pragma@pi.net, PDFTEX@tug.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk hans hagen asked That's ok with me because I will *not* modify the source. BTW, is TeX itself (and etex) 100% under GPL? And isn't at least MetaFont even more copyrighted? and phil taylor responded I would be _very_ surprised if TeX were under GPL; and e-TeX follows TeX's example. ** Phil. neither tex nor metafont are under gpl, but they *are* fully copyrighted, with special terms that can be found in the copyright statements at the top of tex.web and mf.web. there's a significant difference between knuth's copyright restrictions and the gpl: the gpl allows anyone to make changes to a source as long as it is communicated to the gnu group and the entire suite, along with the statement of the gpl, are distributed together. knuth does not allow anyone but knuth to make changes to the source, but provides a method (the change file) for adaptations to be made. he also permits his code to be used directly in other programs, as long as the user doesn't represent that s/he originated that code, and doesn't call the resulting product "TeX". the purpose of the copyright with these terms is to ensure that any copy of the source being distributed is indeed knuth's own, and that anything called "TeX" is exactly what is described in the texbook. -- bb From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 08:39:54 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21285 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02235 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:20:54 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02232 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:20:51 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-4-23.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.85]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA01985; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:20:41 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356D7359.58441DD8@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:23:21 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Hagen CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex 0.12m References: <356C3692.5A9170D9@mail.usyd.edu.au> <356C52D8.E475EAA1@pi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen wrote: > > Robert Howlett wrote: > > > By a coincidence I downloaded pdftex.zip a couple of > > days ago, expecting to find version 0.12l, > > and was surprised to find version 0.12m -- but presumably > > a little different from the one Thanh has just released. > > When I read Thanh's message just now I tried including a jpeg image, > > and it worked, although trying to adjust the size of the > > image with (e.g.) > > \pdfimage width = 5cm file.jpg > > I wasn't aware of this = in the syntax. It does not belong there (just > like there is no = in the hrule especification. > Your right, of course, but in fact I didn't have any = in my tex file, only in my email message ... > > didn't alter the size at all. > > So then I got the latest version of pdftex 0.12m, but > > found to my disappointment that acroread didn't like the > > pdf file with a jpeg image in it. I get "there was an > > error processing a page. There was a problem reading this > > document (14)" > > Does anybody know what those numbers (there are far more than 100 of > them) mean? > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 08:44:59 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21412 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02333 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:37:44 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02330 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:37:40 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-4-23.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.85]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA00950; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:36:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356D76FD.55D6E921@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:38:53 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulrik Vieth CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions References: <199805281301.PAA28330@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ulrik Vieth wrote: > > Yesterday, I brought up the subject of inconsistencies in the AFM files > produced by ttf2afm, resulting in values such as > > CapHeight 1356 > XHeight 916 > Ascender 1825 > Descender -443 > > for TimesNewRomanPSMT. After consulting the "Truetype Fundamentals" > page at > > http://www.microsoft.com/typography/OTSPEC/TTCH01.htm > > I got the impression that the so-called Contol Value Table (CVT) is > based on a different grid using 2048 units per up, rather than 1000. > > A quick plausibility check: > > CapHeight 1356 * 1000 / 2048 = 662 > XHeight 916 * 1000 / 2048 = 447 > Ascender 1825 * 1000 / 2048 = 891 > Descender -443 * 1000 / 2048 = 216 > > The resulting values for CapHeight, XHeight and Descender make sense. > As for Ascender, I wonder if there is some offset missing: > > Asc - Desc (1825 - 443) * 1000 / 2048 = 674 > > Well, this is not quite the value I would have expected (694), but > it almost fits for digists (675) or capitals with round ends (677). > Maybe, there's another entry in the CVT, which is more suitable. > > Below, is the example table from the above-mentioned document. > > Entry # Value Description > 0 0 upper and lower case flat > base(base line) > 1 -39 upper case round base > 2 -35 lower case round base > 3 -33 figure round base > 4 1082 x-height flat > 5 1114 x-height round overlap > 6 1493 flat cap > 7 1522 round cap > 8 1463 numbers flat > 9 1491 numbers round top > 10 1493 flat ascender > 11 1514 round ascender > 12 157 x stem weight > 13 127 y stem weight > 14 57 serif > 15 83 space between the dot and the I > > (Hope that including this table doesn't violate any M$ copyright.) > > Cheers, Ulrik. I have several fonts from Corel Corp which have values for xheight, ascender, etc. which seemed truly bizarre -- e.g. in Avalon Plain the xheight appears as 64008, compared with the actual height of an x of 547. Surely the 64008 must be measuring something on a different scale from the 547. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 08:55:44 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21781 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02388 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:47:35 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02385 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:47:31 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03218; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:46:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA28513; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:46:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:46:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199805281446.QAA28513@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <356D76FD.55D6E921@mail.usyd.edu.au> (message from Robert Howlett on Fri, 29 May 1998 00:38:53 +1000) Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have several fonts from Corel Corp which have values for > xheight, ascender, etc. which seemed truly bizarre -- e.g. in > Avalon Plain the xheight appears as 64008, compared with the > actual height of an x of 547. Surely the 64008 must be > measuring something on a different scale from the 547. Yes, but what scale. In my example, 2048 seems right. In your case, 65536 would give 976, which is still too much. Twice that scale factor would give 488, which is too small compared to 547. How is the scale factor stored, and how can it be determined??? Anyone knows? Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 09:29:42 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23066 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02510 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:15:13 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02507 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:15:10 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-4-23.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.85]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA10837; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:14:51 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356D8006.40989BD2@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:17:26 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulrik Vieth CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions References: <199805281446.QAA28513@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ulrik Vieth wrote: > > > I have several fonts from Corel Corp which have values for > > xheight, ascender, etc. which seemed truly bizarre -- e.g. in > > Avalon Plain the xheight appears as 64008, compared with the > > actual height of an x of 547. Surely the 64008 must be > > measuring something on a different scale from the 547. > > Yes, but what scale. In my example, 2048 seems right. In your > case, 65536 would give 976, which is still too much. Twice that > scale factor would give 488, which is too small compared to 547. > How is the scale factor stored, and how can it be determined??? > > Anyone knows? > > Cheers, Ulrik. Certainly I don't! A while ago I downloaded ttspec.zip from microsoft and tried to understand some of the contents, in the hope of discovering such stuff. But I found the going too tough and gave up quickly. An expert is needed! Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 09:29:55 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23108 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02547 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:21 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02544 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:19 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03296; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:22:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA28543; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:22:09 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:22:09 +0200 Message-Id: <199805281522.RAA28543@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <356D8006.40989BD2@mail.usyd.edu.au> (message from Robert Howlett on Fri, 29 May 1998 01:17:26 +1000) Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Certainly I don't! A while ago I downloaded ttspec.zip from > microsoft and tried to understand some of the contents, in the > hope of discovering such stuff. But I found the going too tough > and gave up quickly. An expert is needed! Is this ttspec available in any reasonalbe format such as PS or PDF? I happen to working almost exclusively on Unix, and Microsoft (unlike Adobe) unfortunately doesn't provide free readers for their prefered documentation format, so I won't be able to read MS Word files on Sparc Solaris. How can they expect this to be an acceptable format? Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 09:48:51 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23719 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02637 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:45:03 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02634 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:45:01 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id QAA24741; hop 0; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:39:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 28 May 1998 16:44:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <8360-Thu28May1998164126+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 Q); VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au Cc: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions In-Reply-To: <356D76FD.55D6E921@mail.usyd.edu.au> References: <199805281301.PAA28330@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> <356D76FD.55D6E921@mail.usyd.edu.au> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am just amazed at the way you people persist with these TrueType fonts, since they seem to give you nothing but grief.... :-} sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 09:58:05 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24106 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02691 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:55:41 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02688 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:55:38 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03359; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:53:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA28839; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:53:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:53:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199805281553.RAA28839@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <8360-Thu28May1998164126+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> (message from Sebastian Rahtz on Thu, 28 May 1998 16:41:26 +0100) Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I am just amazed at the way you people persist with these TrueType > fonts, since they seem to give you nothing but grief.... :-} It's a matter of principle, isn't it. If pdfTeX claims to support TrueType fonts in addition to Type1, someone has to try it out and complain if it doesn't. How else do you expect the bugs to get fixed? Apart from that, it's nice to be able to use TrueType fonts if you don't have those fonts in Type1 format. If I can get Monotype Bembo for free in TTF format on Solaris 2.6, why shouldn't I try to use it? Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 10:54:25 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26218 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02888 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:46:41 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02885 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:46:29 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12165; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:45:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA25990; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:55:14 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:55:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805281655.SAA25990@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions In-Reply-To: <8360-Thu28May1998164126+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <199805281301.PAA28330@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> <356D76FD.55D6E921@mail.usyd.edu.au> <8360-Thu28May1998164126+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant $(C+ (BRe: ttf2afm dimensions $(C;,(B Sebastian Rahtz $(Cic(Brit : $(C+ (B $(C; (BI am just amazed at the way you people persist with these TrueType $(C; (Bfonts, since they seem to give you nothing but grief.... :-} hmm, why exactly do you persist with using TeX as a layout programm? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 11:00:49 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26475 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02910 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:51:50 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02907 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:51:11 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12260; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:47:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA26022; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:56:56 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:56:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805281656.SAA26022@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Ulrik Vieth Cc: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk, rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions In-Reply-To: <199805281553.RAA28839@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> References: <8360-Thu28May1998164126+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199805281553.RAA28839@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk $(C; (B $(C; (BApart from that, it's nice to be able to use TrueType fonts if you $(C; (Bdon't have those fonts in Type1 format. If I can get Monotype Bembo $(C; (Bfor free in TTF format on Solaris 2.6, why shouldn't I try to use it? do you realize that this principle will ineluctably lead you to use each of the 20,000 very bad free fonts from the web? Th. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 12:42:28 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00245 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03329 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:39:47 -0400 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03326 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:39:22 -0400 Received: from nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Thu, 28 May 1998 20:39:11 +0200 Received: from StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (actually sx2.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE) by nx5.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE with SMTP (PP); Thu, 28 May 1998 20:39:04 +0200 Received: from localhost by StudServer.Uni-Dortmund.DE (SMI-8.6/HRZ-V1.6-SunOS-09/10/97-11:04:10) id UAA13757; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:38:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:38:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: Werner Lemberg Reply-To: wl@gnu.org To: pdftex@tug.org cc: freetype-devel@freetype.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions In-Reply-To: <199805281446.QAA28513@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 28 May 1998, Ulrik Vieth wrote: > > I have several fonts from Corel Corp which have values for > > xheight, ascender, etc. which seemed truly bizarre -- e.g. in > > Avalon Plain the xheight appears as 64008, compared with the > > actual height of an x of 547. Surely the 64008 must be > > measuring something on a different scale from the 547. > > Yes, but what scale. In my example, 2048 seems right. In your > case, 65536 would give 976, which is still too much. Twice that > scale factor would give 488, which is too small compared to 547. > How is the scale factor stored, and how can it be determined??? I'm forwarding this to our FreeType list -- maybe someone has time to answer this. Please note that many fonts are broken because Windows ignores a lot of data in a TrueType font. For more info you may try http://www.freetype.org which also has a lot of pointers to TrueType related stuff -- for example, Apple has the complete TrueType specification online (http://fonts.apple.com). Nevertheless, for a complete understanding you need the Microsoft specification too because the specs differ. There is also a ttfdump program available from our ftp site (ftp.freetype.org) similar to Microsoft's ttfdump which compiles on Unix platforms (unfortunately, it has some bugs -- the author seems not to have time to work on it currently). Werner From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 12:59:24 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00871 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03459 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:55:54 -0400 Received: from math.ams.org (math.ams.org [130.44.210.14]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03456 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:55:53 -0400 Received: from SUN06.AMS.ORG by math.ams.org via smtpd (for tug.org [158.121.106.10]) with SMTP; 28 May 1998 18:55:54 UT Received: from mac038.ams.org by sun06.ams.org (PMDF V5.1-10 #27147) with SMTP id <0ETO00C4EKL5D1@sun06.ams.org> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:56:17 -0400 From: Tom Kacvinsky Subject: Type 1 font subsetting stability To: pdftex@tug.org Message-id: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.3.3, s/n P020-200112-003] Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I would like to gather opinions on what version of pdfTeX is most stable with regard to type 1 font inclusion and subsetting. I am working on a project where stability of this functionality is of utmost importance. Regards, Tom Kacvinsky From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 17:54:38 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07973 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04620 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:48:37 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04617 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:48:34 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-8-5.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.67]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA21954; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:44:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356DF78F.C14C0904@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:47:27 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: Ulrik Vieth , s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions References: <8360-Thu28May1998164126+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199805281553.RAA28839@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> <199805281656.SAA26022@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > If I can get Monotype Bembo for free in > > TTF format on Solaris 2.6, why shouldn't I try to use it? > > do you realize that this principle will ineluctably lead you to use > each of the 20,000 very bad free fonts from the web? > > Th. Yes -- I've already installed a good pecentage of them on the off chance that I might some day use them ... From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 18:12:50 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08374 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04706 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:11:22 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04703 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:11:19 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-8-5.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.67]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA29862; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:11:09 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356DFDB6.3BF08B27@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:13:42 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Kacvinsky CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability References: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to gather opinions on what version > of pdfTeX is most stable with regard to type 1 > font inclusion and subsetting. I am working on > a project where stability of this functionality > is of utmost importance. > > Regards, > > Tom Kacvinsky I think that all the recent versions have been fine for type 1 fonts -- I haven't had any problems with type 1 for ages. There are still some minor problems with the encoding files caused by the fact that the names of the glyphs are not quite uniform for all versions of the fonts, e.g. I'm using the American Math Soc pfb files, and I find that in cmtext.enc and cmitext.enc "/polishlcross" needs to be changed to "/suppress". Also in cmitext.enc "/dollar" shold be "/sterling". There may be a very small number of others -- I haven't checked everything carefully enough, and it depends on which versions of the pfb files you use. (Also, I recall there is/was a problem with large square root signs with the Bakoma fonts.) Anyway, I'd suggest using version 0.12l of pdftex. Bob. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu May 28 18:28:43 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08741 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04729 for pdftex-list; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:16:25 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04726 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:16:22 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-8-5.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.67]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA19208 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:16:19 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356DFEED.23266896@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:18:53 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pkfonts References: <355DAD2C.6BD47352@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I should report that with pdftex 0.12m the problem I had with our local font unilogo.pk has gone away. Evidently Thanh fixed something. Thanks, Bob Robert Howlett wrote: > > As it happens, I still cannot use the pkfont which > has the university's crest, because there's not enouhg > memory: I get > fatal: memory exhausted (xmalloc of 1887436800 bytes) > -- but I can use crest.png instead, so it doesn't matter. > > Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 02:13:50 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06205 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06620 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:01:53 -0400 Received: from www.inx.de (www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06617 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:01:52 -0400 Received: by www.inx.de (Smail3.2.0.96inx) from n247-170.berlin.snafu.de (195.21.247.170) with smtp id ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:01:34 +0200 (MET DST) To: pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <356DFDB6.3BF08B27@mail.usyd.edu.au> Subject: pdfTeX on CTAN (was Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability) From: stk@snafu.de (Stefan Haller) Reply-To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:01:35 +0200 Message-ID: <1d9s9gk.1t0f2h61apgzuoM@n247-170.berlin.snafu.de> Organization: none X-Mailer: MacSOUP 2.3 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, I'd suggest using version 0.12l of pdftex. Is there a reason why CTAN only has 0.12h? Is this version supposed to be more stable than later versions or something? Would it be possible to put 0.12l (if not 0.12m) on CTAN? -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 02:45:52 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07381 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:45:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06765 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:35:46 -0400 Received: from aida.inet.cz (aida.inet.cz [194.196.192.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06762 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:35:43 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (pavel@SnowWhite.local [10.0.0.101]) by aida.inet.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA17525 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:34:08 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00784; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:32:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:32:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199805290832.KAA00784@SnowWhite.inet.cz> From: "Pavel Janik ml." To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: big TTF fonts in AcroRead X-Mailer: Rmail with MIME support/GNU Emacs X-Emacs: GNU Emacs running on SnowWhiteII X-Operating-System: Linux 2.1.102 on Intel, Linux 2.0.32 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-URL-PGP: http://www.inet.cz/~pjanik X-Phone: +420 5 41321276 ext. 171, +420 5 41321251 ext. 17 X-Spam: No unsolicitised e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicitised e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-to: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, try to pdfTeX and view in Acrobat Reader: \nopagenumbers\font\arial=arial at 28cm\arial f\bye Arial is standard arial.ttf as distributed with Microsoft Windows NT. It looks ok (for me :-) - big f on the page. But if I try to show this document by "Fit Page - CTRL+J" Acrobat Reader start to take more and more processor time. Top says: PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT LIB %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 3248 pavel 15 0 6520 5508 4048 R 0 82.6 36.7 1:41 acroread and this continues forever... Acrobat displays nothing :-( System specs: Linux-2.1.103/Intel This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-0.12l (Web2C 7.2) Acrobat Reader 3.0 with line "acroread.geometry: =632x452+0+0" in ~/.Xdefaults 0613 Jun 13 1997 02:42:23 (If it's built time my thanks go to Adobe boys ;-). Same result for you? Please test this. -- Pavel Janik ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 02:49:18 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07447 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06742 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:31:50 -0400 Received: from aida.inet.cz (aida.inet.cz [194.196.192.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06738 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:31:47 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (pavel@SnowWhite.local [10.0.0.101]) by aida.inet.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA17108; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:30:13 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA03188; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:04:51 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:04:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199805282004.WAA03188@SnowWhite.inet.cz> From: "Pavel Janik ml." To: Han The Thanh CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805280845.KAA07660@anxur.fi.muni.cz> (message from Han The Thanh on Thu, 28 May 1998 10:45:48 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) X-Mailer: Rmail with MIME support/GNU Emacs X-Emacs: GNU Emacs running on SnowWhiteII X-Operating-System: Linux 2.1.102 on Intel, Linux 2.0.32 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-URL-PGP: http://www.inet.cz/~pjanik X-Phone: +420 5 41321276 ext. 171, +420 5 41321251 ext. 17 X-Spam: No unsolicitised e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicitised e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-to: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk From: Han The Thanh Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:45:48 +0200 (MET DST) Hi, > I've just received the reply from the author of xpdf saying that distributing > pdftex with codes from xpdf under GPL license is ok, if the original xpdf' > README and lisence is included. So I'm going to put on the sources soon. you missed the point. If you do so you must change your license policy, because I CANNOT take some part of pdfTeX (to be more precise - the part coming from xpdf) and modify it, because xpdf's license do not allow this. This right is garanted to me by GNU GPL License Version 2 as distributed by Free Software Foundation (file COPYING in pdfTeX's distribution): (quote from COPYING): > 2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion > of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and > distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 > above, provided that you also ... As a result of my thoughts I advise to change licence policy of pdfTeX to be different from GPL. -- Pavel Janik ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 03:04:38 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA07833 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 03:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06811 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:45:06 -0400 Received: from aida.inet.cz (aida.inet.cz [194.196.192.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06808 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:45:03 -0400 Received: from SnowWhite.inet.cz (pavel@SnowWhite.local [10.0.0.101]) by aida.inet.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA18318; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:43:29 +0200 Received: (from pavel@localhost) by SnowWhite.inet.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00814; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:41:41 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:41:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199805290841.KAA00814@SnowWhite.inet.cz> From: "Pavel Janik ml." To: Hans Hagen CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <356D14D8.7364C3A7@pi.net> (message from Hans Hagen on Thu, 28 May 1998 09:40:08 +0200) Subject: Re: pdfTeX and GNU GPL (Was: Re: pdftex-0.12m (fwd)) X-Mailer: Rmail with MIME support/GNU Emacs X-Emacs: GNU Emacs running on SnowWhiteII X-Operating-System: Linux 2.1.102 on Intel, Linux 2.0.32 on SPARC Organization: INET a.s., Kralovopolska 139, Brno, 60112, Czech Republic X-URL-PGP: http://www.inet.cz/~pjanik X-Phone: +420 5 41321276 ext. 171, +420 5 41321251 ext. 17 X-Spam: No unsolicitised e-mail. 500 dollars per message proof-reading for unsolicitised e-mail. X-Not-Receiving-Mail-From: mrp.cz, hotmail.com, post.cz, email.cz, usa.net Reply-to: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:40:08 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Hi, > That's ok with me because I will *not* modify the source. BTW, is TeX Ok. I'll not modify them too, but if it's GPL'ed you MUST have the right to modify it. It's all about the RIGHT to modify not about modifying... I hope Thanh will change license terms to be similar of e.g. e-TeX. -- Pavel Janik ml. Pavel.Janik@inet.cz From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 04:07:20 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA09461 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07062 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:50:28 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07058 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:50:25 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA13494; hop 0; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:45:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 29 May 1998 10:50:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:51:46 +0100 Message-ID: <6491-Fri29May1998095146+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 Q); VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: tjk@ams.org Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability In-Reply-To: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> References: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky writes: > I would like to gather opinions on what version > of pdfTeX is most stable with regard to type 1 > font inclusion and subsetting. I am working on > a project where stability of this functionality > is of utmost importance. Thanh's code and documentation is littered with statements that pdftex is beta status at best. I really don't think you should rely on it for a stable production project.... I don't find that font inclusion and subsetting has changed for a while, actually Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 04:10:11 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA09609 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07047 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:49:26 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07044 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:49:25 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA13427; hop 0; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:44:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 29 May 1998 10:49:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:41:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4708-Fri29May1998094106+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 Q); VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm dimensions In-Reply-To: <199805281655.SAA25990@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199805281301.PAA28330@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> <356D76FD.55D6E921@mail.usyd.edu.au> <8360-Thu28May1998164126+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199805281655.SAA25990@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche writes: > Concernant + Re: ttf2afm dimensions ;, Sebastian Rahtz icrit : + > ; I am just amazed at the way you people persist with these TrueType > ; fonts, since they seem to give you nothing but grief.... :-} > > hmm, why exactly do you persist with using TeX as a layout programm? > hey, it was just a joke! anyway, i dont know. i wish it would go away and let me get on with a real life... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 04:23:07 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA09930 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07053 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:49:44 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07049 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:49:42 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA13454; hop 0; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:44:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 29 May 1998 10:49:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:46:16 +0100 Message-ID: <9414-Fri29May1998094616+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 Q) From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: explanation of test message Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Since some of you asked, I'll explain. I own this list, and every time one of you posts, I get reports of undeliverable mail. One of them has been driving me mad for the last few months, since I get a message of a reject of a mail address that's not in the list. So in the end I mailed each of you individually, and waited to see which one failed. And it worked, I found the culprit. Apologies. It does none of *you* any good, but it certainly will make my life more bearable sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 06:37:13 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13137 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07633 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:58:23 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07630 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:58:16 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04885 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:57:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29357; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:57:05 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:57:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199805291157.NAA29357@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ttf2afm problems solved From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk After all this discussion, I've downloaded and tried out ttfdump myself, and I think it is clear now, what needs to be done: > ; TrueType v1.0 Dump Program - v1.60, Jul 10 1995, rrt, dra, gch, ddb, lcp > ; Copyright (C) 1991 ZSoft Corporation. All rights reserved. > ; Portions Copyright (C) 1991-1995 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. > > ; Dumping file '\windows\system\times.ttf' > > > 'head' Table - Font Header > -------------------------- > Size = 54 bytes (expecting 54 bytes) > 'head' version: 1.0 > fontRevision: 1.0 > checkSumAdjustment: 0xA92387E7 > magicNumber: 0x5F0F3CF5 > flags: 0x0019- baseline(y)=0 - int ppem - nonlin aw > unitsPerEm: 2048 This seems to be the scale factor that needs to applied to all values written to AFM file. In the examples I checked, I have seen values of 1000 as well 2048, so it appears that 'unitsPerEm' doesn't always have to be a power of 2. > created: Mon Aug 06 21:14:42 1990 > modified: Fri Jan 31 04:26:07 1992 > xMin: -157 > yMin: -442 > xMax: 2066 > yMax: 1797 These might be the FontBBox values in scaled units. Are they really? (yMin and xMax match ttf2afm's values, but xMin and yMax are different.) > macStyle bits: 0x0000 > lowestRecPPEM: 11 > fontDirectionHint: 1 > indexToLocFormat: 0 > glyphDataFormat: 0 > > 'hhea' Table - Horizontal Header > -------------------------------- > Size = 36 bytes (expecting 36 bytes) > 'hhea' version: 1.0 > yAscender: 1825 > yDescender: -443 These are not quite the values of Ascender and Descender we need for the AFM files. There are better elsewhere, see below. > yLineGap: 87 > advanceWidthMax: 2048 > minLeftSideBearing: -157 > minRightSideBearing: -208 > xMaxExtent: 2066 > horizCaretSlopeNum: 1 > horizCaretSlopeDenom: 0 > reserved0: 0 > reserved1: 0 > reserved2: 0 > reserved3: 0 > reserved4: 0 > metricDataFormat: 0 > numOf_LongHorMetrics: 220 > > 'OS/2' Table - OS/2 and Windows Metrics > --------------------------------------- > Size = 78 bytes (expecting 78 bytes) > 'OS/2' version: 0 > xAvgCharWidth: 821 > usWeightClass: 400 > usWidthClass: 5 > fsType: 0x0000 > ySubscriptXSize: 1434 > ySubscriptYSize: 1331 > ySubscriptXOffset: 0 > ySubscriptYOffset: 293 > ySuperscriptXSize: 1434 > ySuperscriptYSize: 1331 > ySuperscriptXOffset: 0 > ySuperscriptYOffset: 928 > yStrikeoutSize: 102 > yStrikeoutPosition: 530 This is potentially interesting information for math fonts. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be standard method for representing these values in AFM files. 1434 * 10.00 / 2048 = 7.00pt = scriptsize width ratio 1331 * 10.00 / 2048 = 6.49pt = scriptsize height ratio 293 * 10.00 / 2048 = 1.43pt = top(?) of superscript 928 * 10.00 / 2048 = 4.53pt = bottom of superscript 102 * 10.00 / 2048 = 0.49pt = rule_thickness 530 * 10.00 / 2048 = 2.58pt = math_axis > sFamilyClass: 1 subclass = 5 > PANOSE: 2 2 6 3 5 4 5 2 3 4 > Character Range: 0x00000000000000000000000000000000 > achVendID: 'Mono' > fsSelection 0x0040 > usFirstCharIndex: 0x0020 > usLastCharIndex: 0x2219 > sTypoAscender 1420 > sTypoDescender -442 These are the good values of Ascender and Descender in scaled units. 1420 * 1000 / 2048 = 693 (height of 'f') -442 * 1000 / 2048 = -215 (depth of 'g') > sTypoLineGap 307 > usWinAscent 1825 > usWinDescent 443 These are the values of Ascender and Descender which have been used so far. Apart from missing the scale factor 'usWinAscent' is quite different from 'sTypeAscender', so these are not what we want. > > 'post' Table - PostScript Metrics > --------------------------------- > Size = 492 bytes > 'post' version: 2.0 > italicAngle: 0.0000 > underlinePosition: -223 > underlineThickness: 100 > isFixedPitch: 0 These are the values copied to the AFM file. Again, the scale factor (of 2048) needs to be applied to get consistent results. That's all. Hope it is clear now, what needs to be done to get the remaining ttf2afm problems fixed, once and for all. Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 06:39:32 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13236 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07770 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:32:37 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07767 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:32:36 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl21.pi.net [145.220.204.21]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA05205; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:32:29 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:32:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356E5E79.60E79FC3@pi.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:06:33 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Kacvinsky CC: pdftex Subject: Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability References: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tom Kacvinsky wrote: > I would like to gather opinions on what version > of pdfTeX is most stable with regard to type 1 > font inclusion and subsetting. I am working on > a project where stability of this functionality > is of utmost importance. Just use the latest version, and: pdfTeX handles fonts better than Distiller. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 06:42:44 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13304 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07775 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:32:43 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07772 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:32:42 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl21.pi.net [145.220.204.21]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA05242; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:32:38 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:32:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356E6DE0.65F49397@pi.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:12:16 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: stack size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm wondering if the parameter stack size is fixed at 600. Somehow I cannot increase it. Setting param_size has no effect, I get 600p reported. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 06:47:57 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13473 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07824 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:39:57 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07821 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:39:56 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id NAA20157; hop 0; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:34:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 29 May 1998 13:39:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:18:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1741-Fri29May1998131816+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 Q) From: Sebastian Rahtz To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have installed hyperref 6.23 on CTAN:macros/latex/contrib/supported/hyperref. Form support has not improved much since the test release, but there was a really stupid bug in the pdftex driver which needed fixing. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 08:33:31 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17173 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08306 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:26:46 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (mailhost.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08303 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:26:35 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05249; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:25:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA29612; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:25:24 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:25:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199805291425.QAA29612@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199805291405.QAA17768@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> (message from Thierry Bouche on Fri, 29 May 1998 16:05:42 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: ttf2afm problems solved From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > the Ascender should be slightly less than (height of 'f') > (unfortunately, in times, no letter with ascender sticks to the > ascender line: only rounds and beaks (?)) > the Descender should be slightly less than (depth of 'g') (p or q > should be better) In fact, for TimesNewRoman, the ascender of 'h' or 'l' is even one unit more than that of 'f'. The descender or 'g' or 'j' is two unis more than that of 'p' or 'q'. Given a scale of 1000 units per em, such minor differences of one or two don't really matter. It's a different story for the XHeight or CapHeight of flat or round character (447 vs. 460 and 662. vs. 677). > 1000/em is typical of fonts designed as type 1 > 2048/em of truetype fonts, that's the value i was looking for in > my earlier mail. As I said, I've also seen truetype fonts using 1000/em, even though the ttspec apparently says that it should be power of 2, ranging between 16 and 16384. > PS does your Bembo TTF come with ff- ligs ? No, it doesn't. Although it has 247 glyphs vs. 228 for type1 fonts, it doesn't include ff-ligs. It does, however, include stuff like 'summation', 'product', 'integral', 'radical', 'partialdiff', 'infinity', 'Delta', 'Omega', 'pi', 'mu' (well, that's standard), 'approxequal', 'lessequal', 'greaterequal', 'notequal'. Not enough to a build a mathbembo font, but interesting anyhow. Cheers, Ulrik. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 08:37:40 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17354 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08298 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:25:25 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08295 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:25:24 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl17.pi.net [145.220.204.17]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA29598; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:21:17 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:21:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356EAE7B.E046BBAB@pi.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:47:55 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: tjk@ams.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability References: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> <6491-Fri29May1998095146+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Thanh's code and documentation is littered with statements that pdftex > is beta status at best. I really don't think you should rely on it for > a stable production project.... Well, currently I use only pdftex, also for production. And, the dvi part is also present. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 08:50:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17821 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08337 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:29:41 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08334 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:29:39 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA25190; hop 0; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:24:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 29 May 1998 15:29:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:26:28 +0100 Message-ID: <3181-Fri29May1998152628+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 8-beta-17 I); VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 From: Sebastian Rahtz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: tjk@ams.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability In-Reply-To: <356EAE7B.E046BBAB@pi.net> References: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> <6491-Fri29May1998095146+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <356EAE7B.E046BBAB@pi.net> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > > Thanh's code and documentation is littered with statements that pdftex > > is beta status at best. I really don't think you should rely on it for > > a stable production project.... > > Well, currently I use only pdftex, also for production. And, thedvi I use pdftex in production, but I try to conceal the fact that I am almost certainly going to have to install updates every few months for the rest of the year.... Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 08:54:48 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17948 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08434 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:51:40 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08431 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:51:37 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-13-53.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.177]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA27006; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:51:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356ECBFF.9E112155@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:51 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulrik Vieth CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm problems solved References: <199805291157.NAA29357@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Ulrik Vieth wrote: > > After all this discussion, I've downloaded and tried out ttfdump > myself, and I think it is clear now, what needs to be done: > > > Size = 54 bytes (expecting 54 bytes) > > 'head' version: 1.0 > > fontRevision: 1.0 > > checkSumAdjustment: 0xA92387E7 > > magicNumber: 0x5F0F3CF5 > > flags: 0x0019- baseline(y)=0 - int ppem - nonlin aw > > unitsPerEm: 2048 > > This seems to be the scale factor that needs to applied to all values > written to AFM file. In the examples I checked, I have seen values > of 1000 as well 2048, so it appears that 'unitsPerEm' doesn't always > have to be a power of 2. > > sTypoAscender 1420 > > sTypoDescender -442 > > These are the good values of Ascender and Descender in scaled units. > > 1420 * 1000 / 2048 = 693 (height of 'f') > -442 * 1000 / 2048 = -215 (depth of 'g') > OK, so I ran ttfdump on avalonn.ttf. Here is some of the output: 'head' Table - Font Header -------------------------- Size = 54 bytes (expecting 54 bytes) 'head' version: 1.0 fontRevision: 1.0 checkSumAdjustment: 0xF7A9DABD magicNumber: 0x5F0F3CF5 flags: 0x0003- baseline(y)=0 - lsb(x)=0 unitsPerEm: 4096 created: (Date stamp is zero) modified: (Date stamp is zero) xMin: -311 yMin: -946 xMax: 4710 yMax: 4047 macStyle bits: 0x0000 lowestRecPPEM: 6 fontDirectionHint: 2 indexToLocFormat: 1 glyphDataFormat: 0 A bit further on there was the information yAscender: 3088 yDescender: -876 and later on sTypoAscender 3088 sTypoDescender -856 and somewhere else `PCLT' Table - Printer Command Language Table --------------------------------------------- version 0x00000100 fontNumber 128 (0x00000080) pitch 28420 xHeight 64008 style 0 typeFamily 0x0 0 (Reserved) capHeight 4108 symbolSet 0 typeFace "Avalon Plain " ttf2afm grabbed these values for xHeight and capHeight. The height of an f is 738 and the depth of a g is -208, and these numbers are close enough to was you get by multiplying ascender and descender by 1000/4096, but what about xHeight and capHeight? (The height of an E is 739 and that of an x 547.) Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 08:54:48 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17949 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08418 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:48:26 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08415 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:48:24 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl17.pi.net [145.220.204.17]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA04621; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:44:44 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:44:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356ECC47.B5D39DC7@pi.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:55:03 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: tjk@ams.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability References: <1061914.3105356177@mac038.ams.org> <6491-Fri29May1998095146+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <356EAE7B.E046BBAB@pi.net> <3181-Fri29May1998152628+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > I use pdftex in production, but I try to conceal the fact that I am > almost certainly going to have to install updates every few months for > the rest of the year.... Sure, me too, because I want to do more than glyphs. Anyway, the textual part is rather stable. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 09:04:17 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18307 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08464 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:56:40 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08461 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:56:37 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27388; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:56:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA17768; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:05:42 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:05:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805291405.QAA17768@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Ulrik Vieth Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: ttf2afm problems solved In-Reply-To: <199805291157.NAA29357@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> References: <199805291157.NAA29357@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk the Ascender should be slightly less than (height of 'f') (unfortunately, in times, no letter with ascender sticks to the ascender line: only rounds and beaks (?)) the Descender should be slightly less than (depth of 'g') (p or q should be better) 1000/em is typical of fonts designed as type 1 2048/em of truetype fonts, that's the value i was looking for in my earlier mail. Th. PS does your Bembo TTF come with ff- ligs ? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 09:26:09 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19307 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08538 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:06:15 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08535 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:06:12 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-13-53.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.177]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA29796; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:05:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <356ECF6F.1162691E@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:08:31 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: big TTF fonts in AcroRead References: <199805290832.KAA00784@SnowWhite.inet.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Pavel Janik ml. wrote: > > Hi, > > try to pdfTeX and view in Acrobat Reader: > > \nopagenumbers\font\arial=arial at 28cm\arial f\bye > > Arial is standard arial.ttf as distributed with Microsoft Windows NT. > > It looks ok (for me :-) - big f on the page. But if I try to show this > document by "Fit Page - CTRL+J" Acrobat Reader start to take more and > more processor time. Top says: It worked OK for me with windows95 on a pentium 133 -- I went right up to 800 magnification (by which time the width of the character covered the screen!) Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 09:31:30 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19498 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08644 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:27:11 -0400 Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08641 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:27:09 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila [134.99.64.144]) by xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05363; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:26:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA29663; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:26:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:26:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199805291526.RAA29663@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <356ECBFF.9E112155@mail.usyd.edu.au> (message from Robert Howlett on Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:51 +1000) Subject: Re: ttf2afm problems solved From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > OK, so I ran ttfdump on avalonn.ttf. Here is some of the output: > 'head' Table - Font Header > -------------------------- > Size = 54 bytes (expecting 54 bytes) > 'head' version: 1.0 > fontRevision: 1.0 > checkSumAdjustment: 0xF7A9DABD > magicNumber: 0x5F0F3CF5 > flags: 0x0003- baseline(y)=0 - lsb(x)=0 > unitsPerEm: 4096 > created: (Date stamp is zero) > modified: (Date stamp is zero) > xMin: -311 > yMin: -946 > xMax: 4710 > yMax: 4047 > macStyle bits: 0x0000 > lowestRecPPEM: 6 > fontDirectionHint: 2 > indexToLocFormat: 1 > glyphDataFormat: 0 > A bit further on there was the information > yAscender: 3088 > yDescender: -876 > and later on > sTypoAscender 3088 > sTypoDescender -856 So that means: Ascender 3088 * 1000 / 4096 = 753 Descender -856 * 1000 / 4096 = -208 Seems plausible, doesn't it? > and somewhere else > `PCLT' Table - Printer Command Language Table > --------------------------------------------- > version 0x00000100 > fontNumber 128 (0x00000080) > pitch 28420 > xHeight 64008 > style 0 > typeFamily 0x0 0 (Reserved) > capHeight 4108 > symbolSet 0 > typeFace "Avalon Plain " > ttf2afm grabbed these values for xHeight and capHeight. Well, obviously, XHeight is well out of range, if it's alomst 16 times as large as CapHeight. CapHeight itself is a litte strange, too, compared to the values of Ascender, but it's not that bad: CapHeight 4108 * 1000 / 4096 = 1008. Could the XHeight value perhaps be the result of a mismatch of signed vs. unsigned quantiities? Cheers, Ulrik. P.S. I've found a description of all possible TrueType / OpenType table entries at: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/OTSPEC/otff.htm#otttables It appears that some versions of the OS/2 metrics table described in http://www.microsoft.com/typography/OTSPEC/os2.htm may contain some additional fields including another entry for xheight add capheight. According to the Apple TrueType spec, these are all Microsoft additions, but if they exists, they might well give better values for some fonts. Anyway, here's an extract of the description: OS/2 - OS/2 and Windows Metrics The OS/2 table consists of a set of metrics that are required in OpenType fonts. The layout of this table is as follows: Type Name of Entry Comments USHORT version 0x0002 SHORT xAvgCharWidth; USHORT usWeightClass; USHORT usWidthClass; SHORT fsType; SHORT ySubscriptXSize; SHORT ySubscriptYSize; SHORT ySubscriptXOffset; SHORT ySubscriptYOffset; SHORT ySuperscriptXSize; SHORT ySuperscriptYSize; SHORT ySuperscriptXOffset; SHORT ySuperscriptYOffset; SHORT yStrikeoutSize; SHORT yStrikeoutPosition; SHORT sFamilyClass; PANOSE panose; ULONG ulUnicodeRange1 Bits 0-31 ULONG ulUnicodeRange2 Bits 32-63 ULONG ulUnicodeRange3 Bits 64-95 ULONG ulUnicodeRange4 Bits 96-127 CHAR achVendID[4]; USHORT fsSelection; USHORT usFirstCharIndex USHORT usLastCharIndex USHORT sTypoAscender USHORT sTypoDescender USHORT sTypoLineGap USHORT usWinAscent USHORT usWinDescent ULONG ulCodePageRange1 Bits 0-31 ULONG ulCodePageRange2 Bits 32-63 SHORT xHeight SHORT CapHeight USHORT defaultChar USHORT breakChar SHORT maxLookups [...] sTypoAscender Format: 2-byte SHORT Description: The typographic ascender for this font. Remember that this is not the same as the Ascender value in the 'hhea' table, which Apple defines in a far different manner. One good source for sTypoAscender is the Ascender value from an AFM file (but not for CJK fonts; see below). [...] sTypoDescender Format: 2-byte SHORT Description: The typographic descender for this font. Remember that this is not the same as the Descender value in the 'hhea' table, which Apple defines in a far different manner. One good source for sTypoDescender is the Descender value from an AFM file (but not for CJK fonts; see below). [...] usWinAscent Format: 2-byte USHORT Description: The ascender metric for Windows. This, too, is distinct from Apple's Ascender value and from the usTypoAscender values. usWinAscent is computed as the yMax for all characters in the Windows ANSI character set. usTypoAscent is used to compute the Windows font height and default line spacing. For platform 3 encoding 0 fonts, it is the same as yMax. usWinDescent Format: 2-byte USHORT Description: The descender metric for Windows. This, too, is distinct from Apple's Descender value and from the usTypoDescender values. usWinDescent is computed as the -yMin for all characters in the Windows ANSI character set. usTypoAscent is used to compute the Windows font height and default line spacing. For platform 3 encoding 0 fonts, it is the same as -yMin. [...] xHeight Format: Font Design Units (SHORT) Description: This metric specifies the distance between the baseline and the approximate height of non-ascending lowercase letters measured in FUnits. This value would normally be specified by a type designer but in situations where that is not possible, for example when a legacy font is being converted, the value may be set equal to the top of the unscaled and unhinted glyph bounding box of the glyph encoded at U+0078 (LATIN SMALL LETTER X). If no glyph is encoded in this position the field should be set to 0. CapHeight Format: Font Design Units (SHORT) Description: This metric specifies the distance between the baseline and the approximate height of uppercase letters measured in FUnits. This value would normally be specified by a type designer but in situations where that is not possible, for example when a legacy font is being converted, the value may be set equal to the top of the unscaled and unhinted glyph bounding box of the glyph encoded at U+0048 (LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H). If no glyph is encoded in this position the field should be set to 0. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 13:34:06 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29267 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09580 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:27:13 -0400 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09577 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:27:12 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00690 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:27:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m0yfUjr-000clLC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 29 May 1998 21:22:51 +0200 (CEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdfTeX on CTAN (was Re: Type 1 font subsetting stability) References: <1d9s9gk.1t0f2h61apgzuoM@n247-170.berlin.snafu.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.105) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Olaf Weber Date: 29 May 1998 21:22:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: stk@snafu.de's message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 10:01:35 +0200" Message-ID: <87n2c0c25x.fsf@infovore.xs4all.nl> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Haller writes: >> Anyway, I'd suggest using version 0.12l of pdftex. > Is there a reason why CTAN only has 0.12h? Is this version supposed to > be more stable than later versions or something? The version in the web2c directory is what went onto the TeX-live CD. It is unfortunately something of a snapshot, but you can use 0.11 as well. > Would it be possible to put 0.12l (if not 0.12m) on CTAN? Not for me, as I have the sources of neither version. (And it seems the sources of 0.12m require a bit of work.) -- Olaf Weber From "Nelson H. F. Beebe " Fri May 29 11:31:26 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24118; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:23 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17470; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:24 -0600 (MDT) To: pdftex@tug.org, ollie@ms1.hinet.net Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Big patch file now available for ttfdump-0.5.5 Message-ID: Yesterday's discussions of ttfdump led me to fetch the distribution >From ftp://ftp.freetype.org/pub/freetype/ttfdump-0.5.5.tar.gz and attempt to build it on all of our local systems. As one or more participants of the pdftex list remarked, the distribution definitely has some problems, and after some hard work, I am pleased to offer fixes for all the problems that I found. One-line GNU-style installation (./configure && make all check install) has now been done on these systems: DEC Alpha OSF/1 3.2 DECstation 5000 ULTRIX 4.3 HP 9000/735 HP-UX 10.01 Intel Pentium Linux 2.0.30 IBM PowerPC AIX 4.1 IBM PowerPC AIX 4.2 NeXT Turbostation Mach 3.3 SGI Indigo/2 IRIX 5.3 SGI O2 R10000-SC IRIX 6.3 SGI Origin 200 IRIX 6.4 Sun SPARC Solaris 2.5 Sun SPARC SunOS 4.1.3 You can find the patches via an entry in my fonts Web page: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/fonts/index.html I recommend fetching the uuencoded version, rather than the plain text version, since many browsers will corrupt the latter, making it useless for input to "patch -p0". If you don't have patch installed on your UNIX system, you should: get it from ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/patch-2.5.tar.gz and use the GNU incantation above to install it. Please READ THE DOCUMENTATION at the start of the patch file before you run patch! There is important information there about another step that YOU must do to provide a suitable test font before you can successfully complete the build. You do NOT have to remove that documentation before feeding the file to patch. If someone can provide me with a truly public-domain .ttf file, or preferably, a suite of them, then I will incorporate it/them into the test suite, and prepare a new patch distribution that does not require that one manual step. The author of ttfdump is on the list of addresses of this message; to him, I send my BIG THANKS for this important utility, ttdump, and my best wishes. If he has time, perhaps he will be able to prepare a new release that incorporates these patches. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri May 29 11:34:47 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24229 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09154 for pdftex-list; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:31:31 -0400 Received: from csc-sun.math.utah.edu (csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09151 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:31:30 -0400 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24118; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:23 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17470; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:24 -0600 (MDT) To: pdftex@tug.org, ollie@ms1.hinet.net Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Big patch file now available for ttfdump-0.5.5 Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Yesterday's discussions of ttfdump led me to fetch the distribution >From ftp://ftp.freetype.org/pub/freetype/ttfdump-0.5.5.tar.gz and attempt to build it on all of our local systems. As one or more participants of the pdftex list remarked, the distribution definitely has some problems, and after some hard work, I am pleased to offer fixes for all the problems that I found. One-line GNU-style installation (./configure && make all check install) has now been done on these systems: DEC Alpha OSF/1 3.2 DECstation 5000 ULTRIX 4.3 HP 9000/735 HP-UX 10.01 Intel Pentium Linux 2.0.30 IBM PowerPC AIX 4.1 IBM PowerPC AIX 4.2 NeXT Turbostation Mach 3.3 SGI Indigo/2 IRIX 5.3 SGI O2 R10000-SC IRIX 6.3 SGI Origin 200 IRIX 6.4 Sun SPARC Solaris 2.5 Sun SPARC SunOS 4.1.3 You can find the patches via an entry in my fonts Web page: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/fonts/index.html I recommend fetching the uuencoded version, rather than the plain text version, since many browsers will corrupt the latter, making it useless for input to "patch -p0". If you don't have patch installed on your UNIX system, you should: get it from ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/patch-2.5.tar.gz and use the GNU incantation above to install it. Please READ THE DOCUMENTATION at the start of the patch file before you run patch! There is important information there about another step that YOU must do to provide a suitable test font before you can successfully complete the build. You do NOT have to remove that documentation before feeding the file to patch. If someone can provide me with a truly public-domain .ttf file, or preferably, a suite of them, then I will incorporate it/them into the test suite, and prepare a new patch distribution that does not require that one manual step. The author of ttfdump is on the list of addresses of this message; to him, I send my BIG THANKS for this important utility, ttdump, and my best wishes. If he has time, perhaps he will be able to prepare a new release that incorporates these patches. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 30 09:06:27 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13118 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13685 for pdftex-list; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:56:13 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13682 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:56:11 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12374; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:56:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05726; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805301455.QAA05726@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex 0.12m In-Reply-To: <356C3692.5A9170D9@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "May 28, 98 01:51:46 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > By a coincidence I downloaded pdftex.zip a couple of > days ago, expecting to find version 0.12l, > and was surprised to find version 0.12m -- but presumably > a little different from the one Thanh has just released. > When I read Thanh's message just now I tried including a jpeg image, > and it worked, although trying to adjust the size of the > image with (e.g.) > \pdfimage width = 5cm file.jpg > didn't alter the size at all. > So then I got the latest version of pdftex 0.12m, but > found to my disappointment that acroread didn't like the > pdf file with a jpeg image in it. I get "there was an > error processing a page. There was a problem reading this > document (14)" I've checked it again. It didn't work indeed {:-o. In the test version I sent Jiri Osoba it worked, so I didn't test this feature before putting on and get really confused that it stops to work now. The reason is missing of the /Name key in the image dict generated by pdftex. PDF-1.2 spec says that this key is required only for compatibility for PDF-1.0 only, so I've decided to remove this key. Unfortunately it's not true 100%, as for some objects (as fonts/XObject forms/images that don't use DCTDecoder) it works, but JPEG images *require* this key. When I removed this key and saw that PNG images are ok, I thought it will work also for JPEG, which is wrong. Sorry about that. I'll fix it in next release. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat May 30 11:45:14 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16483 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14281 for pdftex-list; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:40:20 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14278 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:40:19 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18012 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:40:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10715 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:40:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805301740.TAA10715@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12n To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:40:18 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've replaced pdftex-0.12m by pdftex-0.12n. ttf2afm has been changed as Ulrik suggested (in fact it was a bug of ttf2afm). Known bugs in JPEG and PDF inclusion have been fixed. I also applogogise for a mistake in my previous mail: not JPEG images need /Name key, but T3 (PK) fonts. I forgot that the reason why JPEG image didn't work in 0.12m was something else: a stupid mistake of mine --- forgetting '<<' in image dict :-(. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun May 31 09:18:10 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28466 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 09:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18771 for pdftex-list; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:08:32 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18768 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:08:30 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (11601@anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04261; Sun, 31 May 1998 17:08:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02721; Sun, 31 May 1998 17:08:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199805311508.RAA02721@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: PNG graphics In-Reply-To: <000901bfbfba$1e53e4a0$3b0a1581@erich> from Erich Hernandez-Baquero at "May 16, 0 09:40:57 pm" To: edh7623@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Erich Hernandez-Baquero) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:08:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I'm a PDFTEX newbie and I'm trying to include some PNG graphics in my > document but I get an error saying "alpha channel not supported" I'm > using v.0.11 with the Miktex 1.10 package on Windows NT. Thanks in > advance! some PNG images may have four color channel instead of three R G B as usually. The fourth channel is called alpha channel. These images are known as tranparent images. pdftex doesn't support images with alpha channel; you need to remove the alpha channel by some bitmap editor. Thanh