From owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Wed Apr 1 05:28:13 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21280 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:28:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05562 for tex-pretest-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:21:40 -0500 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05559; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:21:35 -0500 Received: from NEUROMANCER.ese-metz.fr (neuromancer.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.95]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20706; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:22:38 +0200 (MET DST) To: tex-pretest@tug.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Bug in web2c-7.2 ? From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 01 Apr 1998 14:25:16 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.37/Emacs 19.34 X-Emacs: 19.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.98 - "Sodani") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Hans Hagen has found this bug in pdftex 0.12h, but it seems to be a larger one at least under win32. Could someone report about the following under Unix : Get some foo.tex file, latex foo chmod a-w foo.dvi latex foo ... (e:/local/tex/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/omscmr.fd) [1 ! I can't write on file `foo.dvi'. Please type another file name for output: foo.dvi ] [2] [3] [4]./ulogo.fd.tex: Permission denied ./ulogo.fd: Permission denied ./Ulogo.fd.tex: Permission denied ./Ulogo.fd: Permission denied LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `U/logo/m/n' undefined (Font) using `U/cmr/m/n' instead on input line 253. [5]./cmti10.tfm: Permission denied ./texfonts.map: Permission denied ./cmti10.tfm: Permission denied kpathsea: Running mktextfm cmti10 ./cmssbx10.tfm: Permission denied ./cmssbx10.tfm: Permission denied kpathsea: Running mktextfm cmssbx10 [6] [7] [8]./foo.aux.tex: Permission denied (foo.aux) LaTeX Font Warning: Some font shapes were not available, defaults substituted. ) Output written on foo.dvi (8 pages, 25952 bytes). Transcript written on foo.log. The idea is : when tex is unable to write on your file, chmod the file to be writable in some other console, and next type again the same output file name. Similar things happened using pdftex, ie fonts not found anymore. Fabrice From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 05:34:17 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21405 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:34:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05574 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:22:37 -0500 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05559; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:21:35 -0500 Received: from NEUROMANCER.ese-metz.fr (neuromancer.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.95]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20706; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:22:38 +0200 (MET DST) To: tex-pretest@tug.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Bug in web2c-7.2 ? From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 01 Apr 1998 14:25:16 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.37/Emacs 19.34 X-Emacs: 19.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.98 - "Sodani") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Hans Hagen has found this bug in pdftex 0.12h, but it seems to be a larger one at least under win32. Could someone report about the following under Unix : Get some foo.tex file, latex foo chmod a-w foo.dvi latex foo ... (e:/local/tex/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/omscmr.fd) [1 ! I can't write on file `foo.dvi'. Please type another file name for output: foo.dvi ] [2] [3] [4]./ulogo.fd.tex: Permission denied ./ulogo.fd: Permission denied ./Ulogo.fd.tex: Permission denied ./Ulogo.fd: Permission denied LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `U/logo/m/n' undefined (Font) using `U/cmr/m/n' instead on input line 253. [5]./cmti10.tfm: Permission denied ./texfonts.map: Permission denied ./cmti10.tfm: Permission denied kpathsea: Running mktextfm cmti10 ./cmssbx10.tfm: Permission denied ./cmssbx10.tfm: Permission denied kpathsea: Running mktextfm cmssbx10 [6] [7] [8]./foo.aux.tex: Permission denied (foo.aux) LaTeX Font Warning: Some font shapes were not available, defaults substituted. ) Output written on foo.dvi (8 pages, 25952 bytes). Transcript written on foo.log. The idea is : when tex is unable to write on your file, chmod the file to be writable in some other console, and next type again the same output file name. Similar things happened using pdftex, ie fonts not found anymore. Fabrice From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 05:53:33 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21695 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:53:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05683 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:48:20 -0500 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05680 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:48:17 -0500 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-5-52.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.176]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA07523; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:49:04 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <352237C6.604343DD@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:49:10 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: gsview and acroread References: <199803300906.LAA30882@vyvoj.vyvoj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jiri Osoba wrote: > > On 30 Mar 98 at 17:18, Robert Howlett wrote: > > > Robert Howlett wrote: > > > > > > When viewed with gsview the following file looks the > > > way I intended, but when viewed with acroread it does not: > > > > > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/test.pdf > > > > > > It worries me that the two viewers interpret things differently! > > > Any thoughts, anyone? > > > > > > Bob Howlett > > > > Sorry, folks, I guess there's something wrong on my own > > machine. When I viewed the above file with acroread from > > my pc at work and from a colleague's machine it looked the > > way it was meant to look. Maybe I have an old version of acroread. > > I'm using AcroReader 3.0/Win32 and GS5.10/Win32 with GSview2.5/Win32 and > outputs are DIFFERENT !!! > > Jiri. > I now understand a little more about this problem. I have viewed this pdf file using the same version of acroread on three different pcs running Windows95. On two of them the file displayed the way I had intended it to (the way gsview displays it) and on the other it displayed differently. The pdf file uses the font verdana.ttf reencoded (I was experimenting with ligatures). The machines on which it displayed "correctly" did not have the verdana font installed in the \windows\fonts directory. The machine on which it displayed wrongly did have verdana.ttf in \windows\fonts. When I moved verdana.ttf out of this directory then the pdf file displayed correctly. It seems that when the font is installed acroread gets information about the font from the file in \windows\fonts rather than from the pdf file itself. I guess this is OK (provided it never gets confused by different versions of the same font, if there are such things), except that it seems to not properly take into account the reencoding. Well, that's my interpretation of what is happening. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 06:30:20 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22505 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:30:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05796 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:17:00 -0500 Received: from vyvoj.vyvoj (jablovyv.dial-up.cz [193.179.205.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05793 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:16:55 -0500 Received: from osoba.vyvoj (osoba.vyvoj [192.168.1.38]) by vyvoj.vyvoj with SMTP id PAA03665 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:31:55 +0200 Message-ID: <199804011331.PAA03665@vyvoj.vyvoj> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: Robert Howlett Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:16:09 +0200 Subject: Re: gsview and acroread Reply-to: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 1 Apr 98 at 22:49, Robert Howlett wrote: > Jiri Osoba wrote: (...) > > > > > > > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/test.pdf > > > > > > > > It worries me that the two viewers interpret things differently! > > > > Any thoughts, anyone? > > > > > > > > Bob Howlett > > > > > > Sorry, folks, I guess there's something wrong on my own > > > machine. When I viewed the above file with acroread from > > > my pc at work and from a colleague's machine it looked the > > > way it was meant to look. Maybe I have an old version of acroread. > > > > I'm using AcroReader 3.0/Win32 and GS5.10/Win32 with GSview2.5/Win32 and > > outputs are DIFFERENT !!! > > I now understand a little more about this problem. I have > viewed this pdf file using the same version of acroread on > three different pcs running Windows95. On two of them the > file displayed the way I had intended it to (the way gsview > displays it) and on the other it displayed differently. The > pdf file uses the font verdana.ttf reencoded (I was experimenting > with ligatures). The machines on which it displayed "correctly" > did not have the verdana font installed in the \windows\fonts > directory. The machine on which it displayed wrongly did have > verdana.ttf in \windows\fonts. When I moved verdana.ttf out of > this directory then the pdf file displayed correctly. It seems > that when the font is installed acroread gets information about > the font from the file in \windows\fonts rather than from the > pdf file itself. I guess this is OK (provided it never gets > confused by different versions of the same font, if there > are such things), except that it seems to not properly take > into account the reencoding. I have NO verdana.ttf in my c:\windows\fonts directory and AcroReader-3.01/Win32 shows (I guess) wrong output while GS-5.10/Win32 and GSView-2.5/Win32 shows (I guess) correct output (Difficult-"flat"). Jiri. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 06:39:52 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22728 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05896 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:32:57 -0500 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05893 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:32:55 -0500 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-5-52.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.56.176]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA23795; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:33:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3522424A.7CB506C0@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:34:03 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: gsview and acroread References: <199804011331.PAA03665@vyvoj.vyvoj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jiri Osoba wrote: > > On 1 Apr 98 at 22:49, Robert Howlett wrote: > > > Jiri Osoba wrote: > (...) > > > > > > > > > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/test.pdf > > > > > > > > I'm using AcroReader 3.0/Win32 and GS5.10/Win32 with GSview2.5/Win32 and > > > outputs are DIFFERENT !!! > > > > I now understand a little more about this problem. I have > > viewed this pdf file using the same version of acroread on > > three different pcs running Windows95. On two of them the > > file displayed the way I had intended it to (the way gsview > > displays it) and on the other it displayed differently. The > > pdf file uses the font verdana.ttf reencoded (I was experimenting > > with ligatures). The machines on which it displayed "correctly" > > did not have the verdana font installed in the \windows\fonts > > directory. The machine on which it displayed wrongly did have > > verdana.ttf in \windows\fonts. When I moved verdana.ttf out of > > this directory then the pdf file displayed correctly. It seems > > that when the font is installed acroread gets information about > > the font from the file in \windows\fonts rather than from the > > pdf file itself. I guess this is OK (provided it never gets > > confused by different versions of the same font, if there > > are such things), except that it seems to not properly take > > into account the reencoding. > > I have NO verdana.ttf in my c:\windows\fonts directory and > AcroReader-3.01/Win32 shows (I guess) wrong output while > GS-5.10/Win32 and GSView-2.5/Win32 shows (I guess) correct output > (Difficult-"flat"). > > Jiri. Then I'm totally confused. The "correct" output is meant to be an upsidedown exclamation mark and an upsidedown question mark on the first line, then Difficult (with the fi ligature) emdash "flat" (with the fl ligature) on the next line. The incorrect output that I get when Verdana is in \Windows\fonts has an Aacute in place of the upsidedown exclamation mark, an Agrave in place of the upsidedow question mark, a thorn (I think it is) in place of the fi, a german s in place of the fl, a tilde N in place of the emdash and Ograve and Oacute in place of the leftdoublequote and the rightdoublequote. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 07:34:07 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24208 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:34:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06142 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:28:04 -0500 Received: from vyvoj.vyvoj (jablovyv.dial-up.cz [193.179.205.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06136 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:27:58 -0500 Received: from osoba.vyvoj (osoba.vyvoj [192.168.1.38]) by vyvoj.vyvoj with SMTP id QAA05169 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:27:07 +0200 Message-ID: <199804011427.QAA05169@vyvoj.vyvoj> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: Robert Howlett Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:11:18 +0200 Subject: Re: gsview and acroread Reply-to: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 1 Apr 98 at 23:34, Robert Howlett wrote: > Jiri Osoba wrote: > > > > On 1 Apr 98 at 22:49, Robert Howlett wrote: > > > > > Jiri Osoba wrote: > > (...) > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/test.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using AcroReader 3.0/Win32 and GS5.10/Win32 with GSview2.5/Win32 and > > > > outputs are DIFFERENT !!! > > > > > > I now understand a little more about this problem. I have > > > viewed this pdf file using the same version of acroread on > > > three different pcs running Windows95. On two of them the > > > file displayed the way I had intended it to (the way gsview > > > displays it) and on the other it displayed differently. The > > > pdf file uses the font verdana.ttf reencoded (I was experimenting > > > with ligatures). The machines on which it displayed "correctly" > > > did not have the verdana font installed in the \windows\fonts > > > directory. The machine on which it displayed wrongly did have > > > verdana.ttf in \windows\fonts. When I moved verdana.ttf out of > > > this directory then the pdf file displayed correctly. It seems > > > that when the font is installed acroread gets information about > > > the font from the file in \windows\fonts rather than from the > > > pdf file itself. I guess this is OK (provided it never gets > > > confused by different versions of the same font, if there > > > are such things), except that it seems to not properly take > > > into account the reencoding. > > > > I have NO verdana.ttf in my c:\windows\fonts directory and > > AcroReader-3.01/Win32 shows (I guess) wrong output while > > GS-5.10/Win32 and GSView-2.5/Win32 shows (I guess) correct output > > (Difficult-"flat"). > > > > Jiri. > > Then I'm totally confused. > The "correct" output is meant to be > an upsidedown exclamation mark and an upsidedown question mark > on the first line, then > Difficult (with the fi ligature) emdash "flat" (with the fl ligature) > on the next line. The incorrect output that I get when Verdana is > in \Windows\fonts has an Aacute in place of the upsidedown > exclamation mark, an Agrave in place of the upsidedow question mark, > a thorn (I think it is) in place of the fi, a german s in place of > the fl, a tilde N in place of the emdash and Ograve and Oacute in > place of the leftdoublequote and the rightdoublequote. I'm sorry, I looked again and I've found verdana.ttf in my windows/system directory. I've got the same output as you describe. The font is, I guess, from Microsoft Explorer 4 which I tryed today morning. I removed verdana.ttf from windows\fonts directory and ... the output was TOTALLY wrong - verdana was substitued by some bitmap font with wrong encoding ... bleh. The output from GS is still OK. Jiri. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 08:42:49 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26736 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:42:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06522 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:35:11 -0500 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06510; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:35:00 -0500 Received: from is.elta.co.il (is.elta.co.il [199.203.121.2]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04882; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:34:35 +0300 (IDT) Received: from is (is [199.203.121.2]) by is.elta.co.il (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA08660; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:35:57 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:35:56 +0300 (IDT) From: Eli Zaretskii X-Sender: eliz@is To: Fabrice POPINEAU cc: tex-pretest@tug.org, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Bug in web2c-7.2 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 1 Apr 1998, Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > The idea is : when tex is unable to write on your file, chmod the file > to be writable in some other console, and next type again the same > output file name. I did that, and I cannot reproduce this problem (on Windows 95, with the DJGPP port of Web2c). I used "tex story" for that, but if that matters, please send me the file that you tried to latex, and I will try again. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 15:39:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14099 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08247 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:34:51 -0500 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08244 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:34:48 -0500 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-8-49.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.111]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA19826 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:35:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3522C15A.248C3191@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:36:10 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Font subsetting for true-type fonts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Is font subsetting working correctly for true-type fonts with pdftex 0.12h? As I read the pdf specifications, a subsetted font should be given a FontName of the form pseudoUniqueTag+ However, I don't see any FontName keys of this form in my pdf file when I use true type fonts; the FontName key seems to just be the name of the complete font. I am wondering if this is the cause of my my problem (see the "gsview and acroread" messages) where acroread seems to look for an installed version of a font instead of the reencoded version I have tried to use in my pdf file. Incidentally, I have found that if I use the ttf versions of the cm fonts I have a similar problem. If those ttf files are installed in my \windows\fonts directory then acroread won't display the ligatures in my pdf files, but if I remove the ttf files from \windows\fonts then its OK. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 1 16:25:20 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15717 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08438 for pdftex-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:22:43 -0500 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:22:31 -0500 Received: from HAL9000.ese-metz.fr (ppp2.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.222]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00195; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:23:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:23:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804012323.BAA00195@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> From: Fabrice POPINEAU To: pdftex@tug.org, tex-pretest@tug.org Subject: Re: Bug in web2c-7.2 ? Reply-to: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I think I have found the bug. It is in some win32 specific part of kpathsea, namely readable.c . I hope there will be no major failure due to it, as nobody reported it apart / before Hans Hagen. The effect of the bug was so strange I was afraid it was located in some change file, not in the C code. I will publish a patch for this bug. Replacing kpathsea.dll is sufficient. Thanks for your help. Cheers, Fabrice Popineau From owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Wed Apr 1 16:28:06 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15860 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08444 for tex-pretest-list; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:22:47 -0500 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08435; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:22:31 -0500 Received: from HAL9000.ese-metz.fr (ppp2.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.222]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00195; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:23:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:23:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804012323.BAA00195@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> From: Fabrice POPINEAU To: pdftex@tug.org, tex-pretest@tug.org Subject: Re: Bug in web2c-7.2 ? Reply-to: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr Sender: owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Precedence: bulk I think I have found the bug. It is in some win32 specific part of kpathsea, namely readable.c . I hope there will be no major failure due to it, as nobody reported it apart / before Hans Hagen. The effect of the bug was so strange I was afraid it was located in some change file, not in the C code. I will publish a patch for this bug. Replacing kpathsea.dll is sufficient. Thanks for your help. Cheers, Fabrice Popineau From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 2 06:35:30 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26637 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:35:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11759 for pdftex-list; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:26:49 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11756 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:26:32 -0500 Received: from hagen (zl36.pi.net [145.220.204.36]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01781; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:27:22 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:27:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35237508.591E@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:22:48 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Aspinall CC: tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Aspinall wrote: > > Okay, I got hyperref 6.19 which fixes the error I showed before. > > Things are better, but I'm having problems with the Y&Y Lucida fonts. > With the file below I get this error: Here those fonts work fine, actually pdftex produces better output that distiller, due to some obscure distiller/reader bug. So, the problem does not orriginate in pdftex. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 2 07:56:17 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29137 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:56:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12077 for pdftex-list; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:50:45 -0500 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12074 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:50:41 -0500 Received: from NEUROMANCER.ese-metz.fr (neuromancer.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.95]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09178 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:51:51 +0200 (MET DST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex-0.12h win32 From: Fabrice POPINEAU Date: 02 Apr 1998 16:54:03 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.37/Emacs 19.34 X-Emacs: 19.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.98 - "Sodani") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, A curious bug was demonstrated by Hans Hagen about pdftex-0.12h under W95. The bug is about permissions, and pdftex not being able to write on some files. It makes kpathsea fail to find files once you have been asked something like : ! I can't write on file `foo.dvi'. Please type another file name for output: Unfortunately this bug was in kpathsea (and my fault). So a new version of the standalone pdftex distribution is available from: ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/TeX/win32/pdftex-0.12h-win32.zip Cheers, Fabrice From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 2 08:02:55 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29413 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12098 for pdftex-list; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:52:08 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12095 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:52:06 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA26723; hop 0; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:49:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:53:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:13:54 +0100 Message-ID: <2374-Thu02Apr1998151354+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: da@dcs.ed.ac.uk Cc: tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <79962886@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Aspinall writes: > ! Error: pdflatex (file hlhr8a.pfa): > unexpected end of file > > No problem with these fonts with 0.11. Perhaps pdftex 0.12h only > works (properly) with pfb files? > why do you want to keep your files in .pfa format? its hard to think of a good reason. yes, it _should work_, of course, but the solution is so easy.... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 2 09:07:30 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01724 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12388 for pdftex-list; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:00:27 -0500 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12385 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:00:25 -0500 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id IAA22528; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:57:06 -0700 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA13154; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:53:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:53:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199804021553.IAA13154@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <2374-Thu02Apr1998151354+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <79962886@toto.iv> <2374-Thu02Apr1998151354+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <2374-Thu02Apr1998151354+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> dated 15:13:54 +0100 Thu April 2, 1998, Sebastian Rahtz writes > David Aspinall writes: > > ! Error: pdflatex (file hlhr8a.pfa): > > unexpected end of file > > > > No problem with these fonts with 0.11. Perhaps pdftex 0.12h only > > works (properly) with pfb files? > > > > why do you want to keep your files in .pfa format? its hard to think > of a good reason. yes, it _should work_, of course, but the solution > is so easy.... > Possibly because, like me, some people are faced with programs (pdf viewers, printer drivers, etc.) which cannot yet handle pfb files: and keeping both pfb and pfa is more of a waste than keeping only pfa. I agree, slowly, we will get to all public domain software: but till then on has to work with software of commercial quality :-) And so, supporting both pfa and pfb is necessary for now. Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 02:55:13 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA24849 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 02:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA16499 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:48:33 -0500 Received: from maila.central.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16496 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:48:21 -0500 Received: from jfoster.maps.susx.ac.uk [139.184.128.152] by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) id 0yL343-000144-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:47:11 +0100 Message-ID: <38BE46E7.630C@sussex.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:48:08 +0000 Reply-To: mmfe8@central.susx.ac.uk Organization: University of Sussex X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jiri Osoba CC: Robert Howlett , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: gsview and acroread References: <199804011427.QAA05169@vyvoj.vyvoj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: J.Foster@sussex.ac.uk (James Foster) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Out of curiosity, I took a look at the file on my humble Win16 PC using Version 3.0 of the 16-bit Acrobat Reader and noted the following strange behaviour. At a magnification of 105% or less, it does not show the correct characters, but at 106% or more the characters are OK. I don't have verdana.ttf on my hard disk. James ______________________________________________________________________ Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk Sub-Dean School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 University of Sussex Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 08:08:53 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29384 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:08:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17995 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:51:21 -0500 Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17992 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:51:06 -0500 Received: from lennox.dcs.ed.ac.uk (da@dialup-101.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.101]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA01041; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:52:06 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:45:15 +0100 (BST) From: David Aspinall To: Hans Hagen Cc: tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <35237508.591E@pi.net> References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > Things are better, but I'm having problems with the Y&Y Lucida fonts. > > With the file below I get this error: > > Here those fonts work fine, actually pdftex produces better output that > distiller, due to some obscure distiller/reader bug. So, the problem > does not orriginate in pdftex. The question was about pfa versus pfb format. Sebastian suggested converting to pfb with t1binary from t1utils package. This fixes the problem. So I think it *is* a bug in pdftex. (using 0.12h, the pfa's worked in 0.11). I converted the generated pfb back to pfa in case it was missing CR or something, but I got the same error message: ! Error: pdflatex (file hlhr8a.pfa): unexpected end of file - David. P.S. I'm glad to hear the output is better! We have distiller but I've not bothered trying it, for me the *big* advantage of pdftex is getting my LaTeX markup (contents, indexing, references) into pdf links. It's great. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 09:25:15 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01076 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18470 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:44 -0500 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18467 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:16:40 -0500 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA15209; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:21:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:21:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199804031621.RAA15209@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: da@dcs.ed.ac.uk CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> (message from David Aspinall on Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:45:15 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > P.S. I'm glad to hear the output is better! We have distiller but > I've not bothered trying it, for me the *big* advantage of pdftex is > getting my LaTeX markup (contents, indexing, references) into pdf > links. It's great. You can still preserve the latex linking if you go via dvips to postscript and then distiller or ghostscript to get to pdf, just use the pdfmark option to hyperref instead of pdftex. Sometimes the route via ps is better, especially if the document uses something horribly PS based like pstricks or psfrag. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 09:52:56 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01661 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:52:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18588 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:41:24 -0500 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18585 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:41:22 -0500 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id JAA29914; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:42:35 -0700 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA15239; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:38:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:38:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk CC-ing to pdftex. (Hope Sebastian does not mind my quoting his email in a public list). For the list: The issue we were discussing is dealing with target names like '1)' and URLs like `http://xxx.lanl.gov/('. These are valid names and URLs according to URL spec, but the corresponding postscript (or pdf) strings need to be (1\)) and (http://xxx.lanl.gov/\() respectively. Note that the user should not type "1\)" and "http://xxx.lanl.gov/\(" because it does not work if the TeX source is being converted to html directly: the parentheses must be unescaped in html. The question is who should do the escaping: the TeX macro packages (or user: if no macropackage is involved) or the program producing the postscript or pdf? pdftex is relevant because it creates pdf. (I hope I have given an accurate picture of the issues involved). In <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> dated 16:55:22 +0100 Fri April 3, 1998, Sebastian Rahtz writes > yes, but most of the people who mail me don't use hypertex, but use the > "nativepdf" interface, because it gives much better results, and gives > them access to the rest of Acrobat. dvips cannot (easily) trap > this, as it is > raw PostScript. Correct. I would argue that even if it could, it should not. > > so the situation is > > - for hypertex users, dvips should shield from PS issues like escaped ( I agree. > - for nativepdf users, hyperref has to escape characters This produces ps: specials, and so I agree. > - for pdftex users, the program *should* do it, but doesn't. Thanh can help with this one. This is the reason for the CC to the pdftex list. What do others think? > - dvipsone/dviwindo users need special help > - tex4ht users probably want hyperref to help them > I am not familiar with these ones in detail. Can you point me to some info on what kind of specials they have: are they basically like ps: ... pdfmark or like html:? > i'm inclined to think that a TeX module which does the escaping may be > the path of least resistance > Yes. What I was arguing for is that if one produces ps: specials (or equivalent, however they are called), then one should escape them. If one is creating a higher level construct like html: specials, or communicating with pdftex, one should not. Otherwise, supposing one day we have TeX to MathML, or whatever it is called that day, converter, that day it would have to unescape all parentheses again. So, one should follow a simple rule: ( -> \( whenever a postscript string is generated. Whoever generates it (macropackage, pdftex, dvips) takes over the charge. Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 10:28:04 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02578 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:28:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18749 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:13:16 -0500 Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18745 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:13:13 -0500 Received: from lennox.dcs.ed.ac.uk (da@dialup-101.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.101]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA14062; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:14:17 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:23:54 +0100 (BST) From: David Aspinall To: Hans Hagen Cc: tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I said: > for me the *big* advantage of pdftex is getting my LaTeX markup > (contents, indexing, references) into pdf links. It's great. I meant to say "directly" into pdf, without intermediate PS. I don't know whether the current status of hyperDVI->hyperPS (or whatever) is capable of the same results, but I wouldn't want to use it even it is. Just need a solution to the hassle with PS specials now. - David. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 10:51:20 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03099 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:51:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18875 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:44:10 -0500 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18872 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:44:08 -0500 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16067; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:42:30 -0600 Message-ID: <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:37:52 -0600 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: dvips + distiller versus pdftex References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <199804031621.RAA15209@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > > > P.S. I'm glad to hear the output is better! We have distiller but > > I've not bothered trying it, for me the *big* advantage of pdftex is > > getting my LaTeX markup (contents, indexing, references) into pdf > > links. It's great. > > You can still preserve the latex linking if you go via dvips to > postscript and then distiller or ghostscript to get to pdf, just use the > pdfmark option to hyperref instead of pdftex. Sometimes the route via > ps is better, especially if the document uses something horribly PS > based like pstricks or psfrag. How do you get pdftex to generate the markup? It doesn't seem to do so automatically for me. The reason i don't use distiller is that whenever i tried dvips, it generated raster fonts in the PostScript file (at 600dpi). Distiller converted the files just fine, but the resulting PDF looked ugly (printed fine). With pdf(la)tex, i get vector fonts which scale well for screen or printer. (I may be doing something wrong, but i haven't figured out how to get dvips to generate or use vector fonts for documents in "Computer Modern" fonts.) Glauber P.S.: Distiller is a fine product, though, very easy to use, nothing against it... -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 11:35:10 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04314 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19093 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:26:01 -0500 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19087 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:25:59 -0500 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id LAA11446; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:24:25 -0700 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA15388; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:20:30 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:20:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: David Aspinall Cc: Hans Hagen , tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> dated 16:23:54 +0100 Fri April 3, 1998, David Aspinall writes > I said: > > > for me the *big* advantage of pdftex is getting my LaTeX markup > > (contents, indexing, references) into pdf links. It's great. > > I meant to say "directly" into pdf, without intermediate PS. I don't > know whether the current status of hyperDVI->hyperPS (or whatever) is > capable of the same results, but I wouldn't want to use it even it is. Exactly why do you want to bypass ps? Is it the quality of pdf produced from ps that is the worry? Or is it something else? I am interested in knowing precisely what problems people face in going the TeX -> dvi -> ps -> pdf route. (Incidentally, in nativepdf mode, hyperref bypasses `hyperdvi': it just uses dvi with embedded postscript. Also, `hyperps' was a descriptive name for ps which when run through distiller produced the correct links: it was always valid postscript. The hyperps produced from hyperdvi was meant to run flawlessly even on old postscript engines that knew nothing about pdf.) pdf is a low level page description compared to ps. It is certainly possible to write full pdf generator which gives access to all the facilities one may need: like colors, rotation, scaling, arbitrary transformations etc. However, by the very nature of pdf, it is the pdf generation program which has to do this, not the TeX macropackages. (I know this is not completely true: but it remains a fact that pdftex does not provide these general facilities in an easily accessible form right now). The corresponding tasks are much easier with postscript, and so packages like pstricks exploit it. But, the reason it is easier in postscript is precisely because postscript is a programming language and needs a `compiler' to interpret it as a page description. It is true that this is built into every postscript printer: but building it into pdftex and every other pdf generator is not useful. We have distiller and ghostscript for that job: a large complex facility should not be duplicated everywhere without powerful reasons. > Just need a solution to the hassle with PS specials now. What exactly is the hassle? If you are generating pdf, why should there be any ps specials? You use a simpler facility, and you loose functionality: what is surprising about that? I do agree that some functionality like simple linear transformations should be built in, and some like colour changes actually are, but I do not think that pdftex should be able to do all that postscript has traditionally been able to do. That would need a complete rethinking of what TeX is designed to do: I am not against that, but I did not think that pdftex was that project. In <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> dated 11:37:52 -0600 Fri April 3, 1998, Glauber Ribeiro writes > > How do you get pdftex to generate the markup? It doesn't seem to do so > automatically for me. > Use the hyperref package > The reason i don't use distiller is that whenever i tried dvips, it > generated raster fonts in the PostScript file (at 600dpi). Distiller > converted the files just fine, but the resulting PDF looked ugly > (printed fine). With pdf(la)tex, i get vector fonts which scale well for > screen or printer. > Look at the concept of map files for dvips. You can set up the configuration to use outline fonts (provided you have them: either during ps generation or during ps processing/viewing). Is there a FAQ? Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 11:43:06 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04517 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:43:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19132 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:34:04 -0500 Received: from fw.gwdg.de (fw-nf0.gwdg.de [134.76.98.6]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19129 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:34:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199804031834.NAA19129@tug.org> Received: from joachim-becker (actually GWDPPP08.gwdg.de) by fw.gwdg.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:35:00 +0200 From: Joachim Becker Organization: Sprachwiss. Seminar, Goettingen To: pdftex@tug.org Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:33:25 +0000 Subject: PDFLaTeX, Hyperref, and MiKTeX - bad PDF-file Reply-to: jbecker1@uni-goettingen.de CC: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk, thanh@informatics.muni.cz, cschenk@snafu.de, F.Duschek@t-online.de, miktex@dsts.dk Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I use PDFLaTeX from the MiKTeX-package (Christian Scheck) in combination with Hyperref (Sebastian Rahtz). This results in a defective PDF-file. Even if I compile the sample file "running.tex" (David Meeker. Cf. "http://members.aol.com/dcm3cftp/running.zip") I get a PDF-file which shows on its first page 3 lines with strange codes. You can have a look at the file under "http://www.gwdg.de/~jbecker1/mis-running.pdf". All of the RUNNING-files you can find under "http://www.gwdg.de/~jbecker1/mis-running.zip". Every document done with HYPERREF has these 3 lines with strange codes on the first page. The command \HREF and other link-commands do not work, i.e. the browser (Win32, Netscape 4.03) cannot be activated. If I do _not_ use HYPERREF everything is just fine - I get a perfect output (PDF-file). The LOG-File of the compilation of RUNNING.TEX is the following: ##################################################################### This is PDFTeX, Version 0.11 (based on TeX Version 3.14159) (MiKTeX 1.10 mik 24) (preloaded format=latex 98.3.6) 3 APR 1998 17:11 **&pdflatex running.tex (running.tex LaTeX2e <1997/12/01> patch level 1 Babel and hyphenation patterns for english, german, loaded. (article.cls Document Class: article 1997/10/10 v1.3x Standard LaTeX document class (size12.clo File: size12.clo 1997/10/10 v1.3x Standard LaTeX file (size option) ) \c@part=\count79 \c@section=\count80 \c@subsection=\count81 \c@subsubsection=\count82 \c@paragraph=\count83 \c@subparagraph=\count84 \c@figure=\count85 \c@table=\count86 \abovecaptionskip=\skip41 \belowcaptionskip=\skip42 \bibindent=\dimen102 ) (graphicx.sty Package: graphicx 1997/06/09 v1.0d Enhanced LaTeX Graphics (DPC,SPQR) (keyval.sty Package: keyval 1997/11/10 v1.10 key=value parser (DPC) \KV@toks@=\toks14 ) (graphics.sty Package: graphics 1997/09/09 v1.0f Standard LaTeX Graphics (DPC,SPQR) (trig.sty Package: trig 1994/10/16 v1.08 sin cos tan (DPC) ) (graphics.cfg) Package graphics Info: Driver file: pdftex.def on input line 84. (pdftex.def File: pdftex.def 1997/06/09 v0.02d graphics/color for pdftex )) \Gin@req@height=\dimen103 \Gin@req@width=\dimen104 ) (hyperref.sty Package: hyperref 1998/03/25 6.19 Hypertext links for LaTeX \@linkdim=\dimen105 (hpdftex.def \@outlinefile=\write3 ) Package hyperref Info: Bookmarks ON on input line 267. Package hyperref Info: Hyper figures OFF on input line 284. Package hyperref Info: Link nesting OFF on input line 289. Package hyperref Info: Hyperindex ON on input line 292. Package hyperref Info: Plain pages ON on input line 297. Package hyperref Info: Backreferencing OFF on input line 304. Package hyperref Info: Link coloring OFF on input line 314. (nameref.sty Package: nameref 1997/11/24 Cross-referencing by name of section ) (url.sty Package: url 1996/10/19 ver 1.2 Verb mode for urls, email addresses, and file names ) \c@Item=\count87 \c@Hfootnote=\count88 \OddToc=\count89 Package hyperref Info: Hyper figures OFF on input line 1001. Package hyperref Info: Link nesting OFF on input line 1006. Package hyperref Info: Hyper index ON on input line 1009. Package hyperref Info: Plain pages ON on input line 1014. Package hyperref Info: backreferencing OFF on input line 1021. Package hyperref Info: Link coloring OFF on input line 1026. ) (running.aux) LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OML/cmm/m/it on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for T1/cmr/m/n on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OT1/cmr/m/n on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OMS/cmsy/m/n on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for OMX/cmex/m/n on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: Checking defaults for U/cmr/m/n on input line 24. LaTeX Font Info: ... okay on input line 24. (supp-pdf.tex (supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing \scratchcounter=\count90 \scratchdimen=\dimen106 \scratchskip=\skip43 \scratchmuskip=\muskip10 \scratchbox=\box26 \scratchread=\read1 \scratchread=\write4 \nextbox=\box27 \nextdepth=\dimen107 \everyline=\toks15 ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF \nofMPsegments=\count91 \nofMParguments=\count92 ) (running.out) (running.out) [1 ] LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size (Font) <20.74> on input line 36. LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size (Font) <14.4> on input line 36. LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size (Font) <12> on input line 36. LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size (Font) <7> on input line 36. LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size (Font) <8> on input line 53. LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size (Font) <6> on input line 53. LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size (Font) <17.28> on input line 59. [2] Overfull \hbox (13.17026pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 112--120 \OT1/cmr/m/n/12 cutable of \OT1/cmtt/m/n/12 pnmtopng.exe \OT1/cmr/m/n/12 that d oesn't re-quire this \OT1/cmtt/m/n/12 dll \OT1/cmr/m/n/12 is avail-able at []\O T1/cmtt/m/n/12 http://www.hensa.ac.uk[]\OT1/cmr/m/n/12 . [] File: twopair.png Graphic file (type png) File: twopair.pdf Graphic file (type pdf) [PDF to PDF twopair.pdf (1472 lines)] [3] [4] [5] (running.aux) ) Output written on running.pdf (5 pages, 96856 bytes). ##################################################################### Can you help me solving this problem? Thanx! Joachim Becker ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sprachwissenschaftliches Seminar Georg-August-Universitaet Goettingen Humboldtallee 13 / D-37073 Goettingen Tel: +49-0551-395482 / Fax: +49-0551-395803 WWW: http://www.gwdg.de/~uhsw ----- Priv.: Burgstrasse 39 / D-37073 Goettingen Tel/Fax: +49-0551-484176 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 18:14:38 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13476 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:14:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20662 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:08:13 -0500 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20659 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:08:01 -0500 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-8-55.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.117]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA24254 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:09:03 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35258843.59E9E7D7@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:09:23 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Aspinall wrote: > > I'm having problems with the Y&Y Lucida fonts. > With the file below I get this error: > > ! Error: pdflatex (file hlhr8a.pfa): > unexpected end of file > > No problem with these fonts with 0.11. Perhaps pdftex 0.12h only > works (properly) with pfb files? > > - David. > I happened to have a pfa file (in fact eurm10.PFA, which I remember creating using ghostscript's pfa2pfb) and I got this same problem when I asked pdftex 1.2h to use eurm10.PFA (using just (plain) pdftex.fmt) on a one-word file. pdftex 0.11 works OK on the same file with the same font. Bob From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 3 19:30:29 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14874 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:30:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20969 for pdftex-list; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:27:47 -0500 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20966 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:27:43 -0500 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-8-34.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.57.96]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA25225; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:28:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35259AF6.43BAE786@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:29:10 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmfe8@central.susx.ac.uk CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: gsview and acroread References: <199804011427.QAA05169@vyvoj.vyvoj> <38BE46E7.630C@sussex.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I installed acroread 3.01 on a 20 mhz 386 running Windows 3.1, and apart from everything taking a Very Long Time, I found it behaved the same way as it does under Windows95. i.e. when the font is not installed, acroread displayed the file "correctly", but when I installed verdana.ttf (which for Windows 3.1 may involve more than just copying the file to the right directory -- I did something in control panel) it displayed "incorrectly". I can't tell whether this is a bug in acroread, causing it to ignore the Differences key when it uses the installed version of the font, or a bug in pdftex which causes the pdf file to incorrectly describe the fonts used. No doubt acroread thinks it is clever to used the installed font if it can. I couldn't reproduce the magnification phenomenon James reported, but maybe I installed a version of acroread different from the one he has. Bob Howlett James Foster wrote: > > Out of curiosity, I took a look at the file on my humble Win16 PC using > Version 3.0 of the 16-bit Acrobat Reader and noted the following strange > behaviour. > > At a magnification of 105% or less, it does not show the correct > characters, but at 106% or more the characters are OK. > > I don't have verdana.ttf on my hard disk. > > James > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Dr James Foster Email: j.foster@sussex.ac.uk > Sub-Dean > School of Mathematical Sciences Tel: +44 (0)1273 678625 > University of Sussex > Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QH, UK Fax: +44 (0)1273 678097 > ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 03:18:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA06174 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 03:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00165 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:08:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00162 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:08:09 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl30.pi.net [145.220.204.30]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23957; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:29 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3528987B.4C72@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:55:23 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tanmoy Bhattacharya CC: pragma@pi.net, Sebastian Rahtz , schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tanmoy Bhattacharya wrote: > The issue we were discussing is dealing with target names like '1)' > and URLs like `http://xxx.lanl.gov/('. These are valid names and URLs > according to URL spec, but the corresponding postscript (or pdf) > strings need to be (1\)) and (http://xxx.lanl.gov/\() > respectively. Note that the user should not type "1\)" and > "http://xxx.lanl.gov/\(" because it does not work if the TeX source is > being converted to html directly: the parentheses must be unescaped in > html. The same applies for JavaScript inclusion (even worse: there one has to prevent unwanted linebreaks and filter comments too), in-tex-source MetaPost handling and some more. The problem therefore goes beyond ps/pdf. > The question is who should do the escaping: the TeX macro packages (or > user: if no macropackage is involved) or the program producing the > postscript or pdf? The macro package (at least that's what I'm doing currently), if possible assisted by TeX (which would speed up things). I'm pretty sure that some dat E-TeX will provide suitable mappings (this was discussed recently) and thereby simplyfying the task of mapping characters or even sequences into other ones suitable for the output format (pdf,ps) or intermediate files (metapost code). > Thanh can help with this one. This is the reason for the CC to the > pdftex list. What do others think? > > > - dvipsone/dviwindo users need special help ? not so much different than pdftex. > > i'm inclined to think that a TeX module which does the escaping may be > > the path of least resistance Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 04:54:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07599 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00503 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:38:57 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00500 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:38:56 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id LAA10707; hop 0; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:36:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:40:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:26:52 +0100 Message-ID: <2289-Sun05Apr1998152652+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov Cc: da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <51067979@toto.iv> References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tanmoy Bhattacharya writes: > interested in knowing precisely what problems people face in going the > TeX -> dvi -> ps -> pdf route. (Incidentally, in nativepdf mode, the major problem today is that links cannot be broken in this route, whereas they do break with pdftex. i know this is soluble, but it hasn't *been* solved. > possible to write full pdf generator which gives access to all the > facilities one may need: like colors, rotation, scaling, arbitrary > transformations etc. However, by the very nature of pdf, it is the pdf > generation program which has to do this, not the TeX macropackages. (I > know this is not completely true: but it remains a fact that pdftex > does not provide these general facilities in an easily accessible form they are as accessible or inaccessible as the corresponding PS \specials, surely? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 06:16:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08649 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00861 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:08:55 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00858 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:08:52 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA16020; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:14:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:14:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov CC: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> (message from Tanmoy Bhattacharya on Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:38:39 -0700) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > The issue we were discussing is dealing with target names like '1)' > and URLs like `http://xxx.lanl.gov/('. These are valid names and URLs > according to URL spec, I think the most reasonable solution would be to shoot the person who created a file called "(" but assuming that is not possible.... It would be possible to translate ( to \( within TeX. psfrag already does this, it's a bit of a pain as in the general case you need to write th etext out to a file and back again, unless you are using etex and \scantokens. (Actually you could do it without re-catcoding but that would probably be even more of a pain) However I wouldn't bother. I would follow the model that hyperref uses for # which is similarly problematical as a) it is a TeX special character and b) it needs to be translated differently for different back ends pdf based ones having a different model for links within the file. so.. I would (using hyperref as an example, but same would apply to any macro set) 1) make ( active and expand to \( within URL arguments. This means that users can use ( in a `top level' \href but if already inside an argument they have to use \(. (or they can use \( consistently if they prefer) 2) define \( in the back end files to do whateer is needed, ie expand to either a catcode 12 ( or a catcode 12 \ and a catcode 12 (. so in hyperref thi smeans something like adding \catcode`\(\active \def[{\(}% with [ locally lowercaseing to ( cf & and # \let\(\hyper@lparen and have th eback ends define \hyper@lparen David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 06:24:01 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08780 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00909 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:19:53 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00906 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:19:48 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA16030; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:25:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:25:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199804061225.NAA16030@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov CC: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> (message from Tanmoy Bhattacharya on Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:38:39 -0700) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk me> so in hyperref thi smeans something like adding which is secret code for so in hyperref this means something like adding the following to \hyper@normalise David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 06:36:07 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08955 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00946 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:25:26 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00943 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:25:24 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA16038; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:30:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:30:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199804061230.NAA16038@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov CC: da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> (message from Tanmoy Bhattacharya on Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:20:30 -0700) Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > pdf is a low level page description compared to ps. It is certainly > possible to write full pdf generator which gives access to all the > facilities one may need: like colors, rotation, scaling, arbitrary > transformations etc. However, by the very nature of pdf, it is the pdf > generation program which has to do this, not the TeX macropackages. (I > know this is not completely true: but it remains a fact that pdftex > does not provide these general facilities in an easily accessible form > right now). How is pdf different to ps in this respect? Latex users (and plain users) can go \rotatebox{45}{\color{red}text} and have a rotated red text and it works in essentially the same way whether using pdftex, or using tex and a dvi->ps driver or for that matter using dviwindo in NT and printing to any windows supported printer. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 08:30:56 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10944 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01403 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:18:21 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01400 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:18:13 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18459 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:19:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA16214; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:21:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:21:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804061421.QAA16214@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again », Tanmoy Bhattacharya écrit : « » Exactly why do you want to bypass ps? Is it the quality of pdf » produced from ps that is the worry? I now at least of one formula where the radical sign is badly built in a PDF. It was reported that it could have to do with truncated coordinates in the EPS produced by tex that was imported by distiller in the PDF. Or conflictiong underlying grids? I've however never seen any such probkem with pdftex. Th. B. « et, quoique l'on pourrait mettre un point d'exclamation à la fin de chaque phrase, ce n'est peut-être pas une raison pour s'en dispenser ! » Comte de Lautréamont, 1869. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 08:54:16 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11465 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01519 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:40:53 -0400 Received: from gmxlx3.gmx.net (gmxlx3.gmx.net [194.97.64.140]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01516 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:40:48 -0400 From: colin.marquardt@gmx.net Received: (qmail 32 invoked by uid 655); 6 Apr 1998 14:41:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:41:58 +0200 (MEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: A font encoding problem? X-Authenticated-Sender: colin.marquardt@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [194.120.191.3] Message-Id: <27.891873718@www.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 0.95 (Global Message Exchange) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, after running PDFTeX 0.11 successfully for three months (nice stuff, Thanh!) last week I installed Fabrice Popineau's Win32 port of PDFTeX 0.12h in a totally different texmf-tree. All went fine, and I already made some PDF's, but then I wanted to use Palatino (or, to be exact, Palladio from URW++, which comes with Ghostscript). PDFTeX 0.11 worked with Palatino/Palladio before, the *.sty and *.fd files are there. It took a while until I discovered that I need to uncomment the "map standard.map" entry in pdftex.cfg (because that's where the ppl's are mapped). I replaced the entries for Palatino with the following: pplb8r URWPalladioL-Bold Output written on enctest.pdf (1 page, 19730 bytes). ======================================================================= The log file for the document *without* the "y" is only different in the last line, which is now: ======================================================================= Output written on enctest.pdf (1 page, 19689 bytes). ======================================================================= I assume I did something wrong, but what? Or is it really a bug? I'll happily provide more information if that's needed. Cheers, Colin P.S.: I'm running Windows NT 4.0 and Acrobat Reader 3.01 (German), if that matters. --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 09:12:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11904 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01670 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:07:54 -0400 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01667 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:07:52 -0400 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id JAA23951; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:09:05 -0600 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA19948; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:05:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:05:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: David Carlisle Cc: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> dated 13:14:04 +0100 Mon April 6, 1998, David Carlisle writes > > > The issue we were discussing is dealing with target names like '1)' > > and URLs like `http://xxx.lanl.gov/('. These are valid names and URLs > > according to URL spec, > > I think the most reasonable solution would be to shoot the person who > created a file called "(" but assuming that is not possible.... > Sorry. I think the issue I was addressing got lost somewhere. I do not for a moment doubt that TeX *can* convert ( to \(, and that the conversion can be done by the back end. The question was, which back-end should do what. I was arguing that ( --> \( should be done only if it creates a postscript string. Thus, in the mode that hyperref produces pdfmarks directly, it should create << ... (http://xxx.lanl.gov/\() ... >> pdfmark. However, when it is writing out a hyperref special, it should probably write out html: without escaping: the idea being that what it is writing out is nothing to do with postscript per se. What this means is that both (hyper)dvips and pdftex has to be careful in interpreting its parameters. They can not just take whatever they get as a URL (or filename, see below) and dump it within a ( and a ). As Hans pointed out the same is true of javascript. I would argue in a similar fashion there: if there is a facility which is javascript specific, that should take unescaped javascript. If the facility is more general (dealing with arbitrary pdf, for example), then the macro package has to deal with converting the javascript to valid pdf code: escaping things if necessary. So, what I wanted to know is what do people feel about this issue: what should pdftex do if it gets \pdfannotlink goto file{(} \pdfendlink. I would say that it must do whatever is required to make a link that would go to the file named (. Similarly, \pdfannotlink goto file{\(} \pdfendlink should go to a file called \(. Note that it is different when it comes to an external URL. There the syntax is /URI (uri) and hence the macro package has to escape the (. The difference however is natural ... external files and urls are distinct creatures in pdf: the former a part of the pdf spec, the latter calls a plugin. The difference in the syntax precisely reflects this fact: and hence the difference in behaviour. Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 09:40:40 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12574 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01834 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:36:27 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01831 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:36:26 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl23.pi.net [145.220.204.23]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA02076; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:33:55 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:33:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3528D04C.76A5@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:53:32 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, tetex-pretest@informatik.uni-hannover.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> <2289-Sun05Apr1998152652+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Tanmoy Bhattacharya writes: > > interested in knowing precisely what problems people face in going the > > TeX -> dvi -> ps -> pdf route. (Incidentally, in nativepdf mode, > the major problem today is that links cannot be broken in this route, > whereas they do break with pdftex. i know this is soluble, but it > hasn't *been* solved. ... \goto{some more words}[somewhere] ..... can be broken at word boundaries pretty well and this methode is adequate in most situations. On the other hand, automatic approaches assume that TeX itself is 'always right' in making things active, which I doubt. It will always be suboptimal, whichever method we use. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 09:42:15 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12601 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01813 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:34:02 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01807 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:34:00 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl23.pi.net [145.220.204.23]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA02106; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:33:59 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:33:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3528D10C.1ECC@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:56:44 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > It would be possible to translate ( to \( within TeX. psfrag already > does this, it's a bit of a pain as in the general case you need to write > th etext out to a file and back again, unless you are using etex and > \scantokens. (Actually you could do it without re-catcoding but that > would probably be even more of a pain) It can be done by translating the string per character, but this takes some run time. That's why I want etex to solve this. (BTW, there's more that \( to take care of) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 09:43:51 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12642 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01800 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:33:23 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01797 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:33:16 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16334; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:38:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:38:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199804061538.QAA16334@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov CC: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> (message from Tanmoy Bhattacharya on Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:05:02 -0600) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > think the issue I was addressing got lost somewhere. What comes of adding a mailing list to an ongoing conversation:-) > However, when it is writing out a hyperref special, it should probably > write out html: without escaping: the > idea being that what it is writing out is nothing to do with > postscript per se. Oh definitely I agree. > what should pdftex do if it gets \pdfannotlink goto file{(} > \pdfendlink. I would say that it must do whatever is required to make > a link that would go to the file named (. sounds reasonable > Note that it is different when it comes to an external URL. There the > syntax is /URI (uri) and hence the macro package has to escape the > (. The difference however is natural ... Natural. (but users will probably get it wrong, whatever) My thoughts were more aimed (as you spotted) at the `other case' > Thus, in the mode that hyperref produces pdfmarks > directly, it should create << ... (http://xxx.lanl.gov/\() ... >> > pdfmark. which is the case that leaves more for the tex macro package to do in the way of ( -> \( conversion. If hyperef is expected to do that conversion, and so check every url for a possible (, it could slow it down greatly. which was why I was suggesting you might want to use \( as the user level syntax to get a ( in a file name and as you want to offer the same user syntax for all backends this affects the `advertised syntax' for the hypertex special back end as well, although not the actual string put in the special which should have unescaped ( as you say above. > Similarly, \pdfannotlink > goto file{\(} \pdfendlink should go to a file called \(. ^^ you mean there two tokens? in which case I agree. Otherwise it presumably goes to whatever the control symbol \( expands to, which I was suggesting ought to be locally defined as ( by a macro package calling this primitive. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 09:46:44 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12718 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01869 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:41:35 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01866 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:41:26 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16343; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:46:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:46:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199804061546.QAA16343@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pragma@pi.net CC: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <3528D10C.1ECC@pi.net> (message from Hans Hagen on Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:56:44 +0200) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <3528D10C.1ECC@pi.net> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans, > It can be done by translating the string per character, yes >but this takes some run time. yes > That's why I want etex to solve this. yes > (BTW, there's more that \( to take care of) Do you have the full list to hand? An alternative would be to specify (for all backends) that the strings are in `postscript string syntax' and so expect (and allow) the user to use all such constructions as \( , \ , ... and do this for all back ends at the driver stage. (for ps/pdf drivers there would be nothing to do as the user supplied string would just be used verbatim) David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 09:50:33 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12888 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01896 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:44:39 -0400 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01893 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:44:38 -0400 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id JAA30736; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:45:52 -0600 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA20021; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:41:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:41:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199804061541.JAA20021@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: David Carlisle Cc: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <199804061538.QAA16334@nag.co.uk> References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061538.QAA16334@nag.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <199804061538.QAA16334@nag.co.uk> dated 16:38:31 +0100 Mon April 6, 1998, David Carlisle writes > > goto file{\(} \pdfendlink should go to a file called \(. > ^^ > you mean there two tokens? in which case I agree. Otherwise it Yes. I meant \_12 (_12 for example. If \( is a control sequence, it gets treated like any other cs of course. Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 10:00:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13135 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01955 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:55:41 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01952 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:55:27 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23163; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:56:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA18167; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:58:56 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:58:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804061558.RAA18167@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: colin.marquardt@gmx.net Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: A font encoding problem? In-Reply-To: <27.891873718@www.gmx.net> References: <27.891873718@www.gmx.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk very strange yes, according to my tests, uplri does work ok, but all three others not. Th. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 10:09:31 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13378 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02002 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:03:50 -0400 Received: from ooo.lanl.gov (ooo.lanl.gov [128.165.23.117]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01999 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:03:48 -0400 Received: (from schwande@localhost) by ooo.lanl.gov (x.x.x/x.x.x) id KAA06299; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199804061604.KAA06299@ooo.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Thorsten Schwander To: davidc@nag.co.uk CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.39 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle writes: > > > The issue we were discussing is dealing with target names like '1)' > > and URLs like `http://xxx.lanl.gov/('. These are valid names and URLs > > according to URL spec, > > I think the most reasonable solution would be to shoot the person who > created a file called "(" but assuming that is not possible.... I agree ;-) however my original bug report and suggested patch for dvips (which was not send to this list) contained the following example which we (http://xxx.lanl.gov/) encounter quite frequently: \documentclass{article} \RequirePackage[hyperindex]{hyperref} \begin{document} ... maybe this \cite{1a)} will break? \begin{thebibliography}{999} \bibitem{1a)} Schwander et al \end{thebibliography} \end{document} This currently results in invalid postscript from dvips(k) with hyperlinks switched on without any warning. So this issue came up for purely practical reasons, however Tanmoy and Sebastian realized that there is a principle design decision involved and this thread was started. Thorsten -- T. Schwander (E-print Admin) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 10:23:47 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13695 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02072 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:15:18 -0400 Received: from ooo.lanl.gov (ooo.lanl.gov [128.165.23.117]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02069 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:15:17 -0400 Received: (from schwande@localhost) by ooo.lanl.gov (x.x.x/x.x.x) id KAA06334; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199804061616.KAA06334@ooo.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Thorsten Schwander To: glauber@iws-irms.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: dvips + distiller versus pdftex References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <199804031621.RAA15209@nag.co.uk> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.39 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Glauber Ribeiro writes: > The reason i don't use distiller is that whenever i tried dvips, it > generated raster fonts in the PostScript file (at 600dpi). Distiller > converted the files just fine, but the resulting PDF looked ugly > (printed fine). With pdf(la)tex, i get vector fonts which scale well for > screen or printer. > > (I may be doing something wrong, but i haven't figured out how to get > dvips to generate or use vector fonts for documents in "Computer Modern" > fonts.) select a config file with the printer flag: > dvips -Ptype1 dvifile set up the corresponding configuration file > head config.type1 p+ cmfonts.map p+ amsfonts.map ... and create the map files for all your type1 fonts > head cmfonts.map cmb10 cmb10 cmbsy10 cmbsy10 .... Note that we don't include the fonts in the postscript file, use cmb10 cmb10 ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02121 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:21:26 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02118 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:21:10 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA16394; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:26:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:26:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199804061626.RAA16394@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804061604.KAA06299@ooo.lanl.gov> (message from Thorsten Schwander on Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:04:21 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061604.KAA06299@ooo.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > ... maybe this \cite{1a)} will break? Ah. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 10:30:55 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13870 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02158 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:27:16 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02155 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:27:10 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA26937; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:28:09 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:28:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3528F85E.6F09@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:44:30 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: pdftex@tug.org, pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061421.QAA16214@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > I now at least of one formula where the radical sign is badly built > in a PDF. It was reported that it could have to do with truncated > coordinates in the EPS produced by tex that was imported by distiller > in the PDF. Or conflictiong underlying grids? I've however never seen > any such probkem with pdftex. Generally PDFTEX is more precise that Distiller and DVIPS converters (you can specify this in the config file). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 6 10:30:59 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13879 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02167 for pdftex-list; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:27:30 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02164 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:27:22 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA26923; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:28:06 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:28:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3528F7EC.3550@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:42:36 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061230.NAA16038@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > How is pdf different to ps in this respect? > > Latex users (and plain users) can go > > \rotatebox{45}{\color{red}text} > > and have a rotated red text and it works in essentially the same way > whether using pdftex, or using tex and a dvi->ps driver or for that > matter using dviwindo in NT and printing to any windows supported printer. Aslong as one does not let the PS interpreter do calculations or loops, PDF can do the same. So normal scaling, mirroring, moving, drawing etc gives no problems. There is an incompatibility concerning the 6-entry matrix, but one can work around this. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 00:53:10 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01987 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06328 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:48:26 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06325 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:48:25 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl36.pi.net [145.220.204.36]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA21553; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:48:59 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:48:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:42:39 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tanmoy Bhattacharya CC: pragma@pi.net, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org, David Carlisle Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tanmoy Bhattacharya wrote: > What this means is that both (hyper)dvips and pdftex has to be careful > in interpreting its parameters. They can not just take whatever they > get as a URL (or filename, see below) and dump it within a ( and a ). The best way out of this problem is probably using a higher level macro and not letting users specify such things directly (which is what I prefer anyway). > As Hans pointed out the same is true of javascript. I would argue in a > similar fashion there: if there is a facility which is javascript > specific, that should take unescaped javascript. If the facility is > more general (dealing with arbitrary pdf, for example), then the macro > package has to deal with converting the javascript to valid pdf code: > escaping things if necessary. And how about text annotations, where the encoding becomes important too. There we would like proper between encoding conversion too. Therefore, I strongly suggest to let finally etex sort things out by means of a decent general mapping mechanism (which is where David was also refering too). > So, what I wanted to know is what do people feel about this issue: > what should pdftex do if it gets \pdfannotlink goto file{(} > \pdfendlink. I would say that it must do whatever is required to make > a link that would go to the file named (. Similarly, \pdfannotlink > goto file{\(} \pdfendlink should go to a file called \(. One way of is to let TeX scan for symmetry, like () and let loners pass through. Personally I would go for the convert-always and trust users not to use such funny filenames. > Note that it is different when it comes to an external URL. There the > syntax is /URI (uri) and hence the macro package has to escape the > (. The difference however is natural ... external files and urls are > distinct creatures in pdf: the former a part of the pdf spec, the > latter calls a plugin. The difference in the syntax precisely reflects > this fact: and hence the difference in behaviour. Indeed. So we will always need some interpretation by macros, alas. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 00:57:57 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02052 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06323 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:48:09 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06320 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:48:07 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl36.pi.net [145.220.204.36]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA21539; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:48:56 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:48:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35290464.32C5@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:35:48 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <3528D10C.1ECC@pi.net> <199804061546.QAA16343@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > > Hans, > > It can be done by translating the string per character, > yes > >but this takes some run time. > yes > > That's why I want etex to solve this. > yes > > (BTW, there's more that \( to take care of) > Do you have the full list to hand? For instance destinations can best be /[]#<>() free (when you specify them as /.....). In JavaScript code you should take care of not breaking in "" and some more as well as that Distiller does some funny linebreaks now and a while (while pdftex simply uses long lines which break at the maximum string length if needed and therefore does not give problems.) (Distiller is buggy on JS code anyway). I never define urls#file directly but definitely the # needs some treatment too. > An alternative would be to specify (for all backends) that the strings > are in `postscript string syntax' and so expect (and allow) the user > to use all such constructions as \( , \ , ... > and do this for all back ends at the driver stage. (for ps/pdf drivers > there would be nothing to do as the user supplied string would just be > used verbatim) > > David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 07:15:30 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07670 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08121 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:07:59 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08118 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:07:51 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24983; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:08:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA29285; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:10:16 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:10:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804071310.PAA29285@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Hans Hagen Cc: David Carlisle , tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <3528F7EC.3550@pi.net> References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061230.NAA16038@nag.co.uk> <3528F7EC.3550@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk BTW a question nobody answered me at eurotex: does PDF allow clipping? (or croping--not sure about the meaning of these things depending on the context--here i mean the PS clip operator) Th. B. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 07:37:11 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07996 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08193 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:27:34 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08190 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:27:32 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl20.pi.net [145.220.204.20]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA22988; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:27:34 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:27:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <352A28A6.7769@pi.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:22:46 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: David Carlisle , tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, da@dcs.ed.ac.uk, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <35237508.591E@pi.net> <13604.61957.553909.499443@lennox> <13604.65053.644612.763167@lennox> <35251E70.B1F63438@iws-irms.com> <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061230.NAA16038@nag.co.uk> <3528F7EC.3550@pi.net> <199804071310.PAA29285@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > BTW a question nobody answered me at eurotex: does PDF allow clipping? > (or croping--not sure about the meaning of these things depending on > the context--here i mean the PS clip operator) Yes. The W operator does. See supp-pdf.tex for an application. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 09:37:28 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10452 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08682 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:32:16 -0400 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08679 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:32:14 -0400 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id JAA10756; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:33:27 -0600 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22437; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:29:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:29:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: Hans Hagen Cc: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org, David Carlisle Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> dated 18:42:39 +0200 Mon April 6, 1998, Hans Hagen writes > Tanmoy Bhattacharya wrote: > > > What this means is that both (hyper)dvips and pdftex has to be careful > > in interpreting its parameters. They can not just take whatever they > > get as a URL (or filename, see below) and dump it within a ( and a ). > > The best way out of this problem is probably using a higher level > macro and not letting > users specify such things directly (which is what I prefer anyway). > The term `best way' is a bit confusing: best way for whom? Sure, a macropackage designer can and in my view should encapsulate these details in a higher level macro: but that does not absolve pdftex or dvips from doing the `right thing' if the user calls the primitive directly. The interface must have a clear specification. And, I think the interface must say one of two things: if the primitive is called with a file name containing an unmatched parentheses, either (1) it shall generate an error message, or else, (2) it will be treated as the true file name. A thrd possibility, that it produces invalid postscript/pdf is all I am arguing against. Naturally, I believe (2) is the correct behaviour. Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 09:53:34 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10754 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08763 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:49:23 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08760 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:49:19 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16863; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:54:17 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:54:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov CC: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> (message from Tanmoy Bhattacharya on Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:29:04 -0600) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk (are you both on the pdftex list, in which case can just use that (I removed Hans from the CC as I know he's there) > And, I think the interface must say one of two things: if the > primitive is called with a file name containing an unmatched > parentheses, either (1) it shall generate an error message, or else, > (2) it will be treated as the true file name. A thrd possibility, that > it produces invalid postscript/pdf is all I am arguing against. and presumably also you want the same behaviour for dvi dvriver when reading a literal postscript \special and pdftex when processing user supplied literal pdf strings ? This would seem to be necessary for the original \cite{foo)} example. (Necessary if you want it solved at the primitive level not by macro parsing) How much extra work would it be for a driver (and pdftex) to have to check every such literal string? (I have no idea, always have tried to avoid driver implementation details.) It would not be unreasonable to specify that any person (or macro) that is writing literal ps or pdf is supposed to know what it is doing and write in valid PS syntax, with \(. On the other hand if it could be implemented at the driver level to do this check in reasonable speed that would probably be better than doing the check at the macro level (which will be slow) or the most likely alternative which is the fastest and currently implemented method: don't do the check at all, and hit the ocasional failure. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 09:56:32 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10809 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08754 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:49:04 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08751 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:49:01 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl18.pi.net [145.220.204.18]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA18714; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:49:25 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:49:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <352A4A59.D84@pi.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:46:33 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tanmoy Bhattacharya CC: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org, David Carlisle Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tanmoy Bhattacharya wrote: > > > What this means is that both (hyper)dvips and pdftex has to be careful > > > in interpreting its parameters. They can not just take whatever they > > > get as a URL (or filename, see below) and dump it within a ( and a ). > > > > The best way out of this problem is probably using a higher level > > macro and not letting > > users specify such things directly (which is what I prefer anyway). > > The term `best way' is a bit confusing: best way for whom? Sure, a > macropackage designer can and in my view should encapsulate these > details in a higher level macro: but that does not absolve pdftex or > dvips from doing the `right thing' if the user calls the primitive > directly. The interface must have a clear specification. You're right. Anyhow, I discourage users from using the low level macros, in fact, I assume they are not even aware of them. Indeed the interface should be clear, and I hav eto admit that I was not even aware of filenames like ( > And, I think the interface must say one of two things: if the > primitive is called with a file name containing an unmatched > parentheses, either (1) it shall generate an error message, or else, > (2) it will be treated as the true file name. A thrd possibility, that > it produces invalid postscript/pdf is all I am arguing against. Interesting point: what if we specify that users may use \( and at the same moment convert the ( into \(, that way we end up with \\( (unless of course we exclude \(, but I'm not sure if that one never is used in itself). Anyhow, enough matter for further pondering. > Naturally, I believe (2) is the correct behaviour. BTW, is ( a valid ISO-9600 filename? I don't think so. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 10:14:20 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11225 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08874 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:10:49 -0400 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08871 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:10:48 -0400 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id KAA21524; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:12:01 -0600 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22486; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:07:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:07:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199804071607.KAA22486@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: David Carlisle Cc: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> dated 16:54:17 +0100 Tue April 7, 1998, David Carlisle writes > It would not be unreasonable to specify that any person (or macro) > that is writing literal ps or pdf is supposed to know what it is doing > and write in valid PS syntax, with \(. On the other hand if it could be > implemented at the driver level to do this check in reasonable speed > that would probably be better than doing the check at the macro level > (which will be slow) or the most likely alternative which is the fastest > and currently implemented method: don't do the check at all, and hit the > ocasional failure. Precisely. I am basically arguing that: 1) If the macro generates literal ps or pdf, the driver does not need to check it. Sure, if it can check it, I have no objection: if there is a detectable error, it gives an error message. What it does not do, and this is important, is change a valid literal to another valid literal with a different meaning. (Thus it should not change '(hello() show ()olleh) show' to '(hello\() show (\)olleh) show'). 2) If the macro generates anything other than literal ps or pdf (or fragment thereof), the driver takes care to either produce valid output irrespective of however bizarre a mess it received, or if no valid output is possible, produces an error message. As to Hans' comment: > BTW, is ( a valid ISO-9600 filename? I don't think so. Does the pdf spec say that the file name has to be a valid ISO-9600 file name? Or can it be any filename supported by the implementation? On unices it is trivial to create a filename like (.pdf, according to the pdf spec do I need a www plugin to access such files even if they are on my local disk? :-) Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 10:29:09 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11587 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08962 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:25:47 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08959 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:25:44 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl18.pi.net [145.220.204.18]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA03041; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:26:57 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:26:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <352A5325.735D@pi.net> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:24:05 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org CC: pragma@pi.net, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > and presumably also you want the same behaviour for > dvi dvriver when reading a literal postscript \special > and > pdftex when processing user supplied literal pdf strings Right. This problem is not related to pdf or pdftex, but to output in general. > How much extra work would it be for a driver (and pdftex) to have to > check every such literal string? (I have no idea, always have tried to > avoid driver implementation details.) It would make the driver dependant on evolving standards (more easy to maintain atthe macro level). > It would not be unreasonable to specify that any person (or macro) > that is writing literal ps or pdf is supposed to know what it is doing > and write in valid PS syntax, with \(. On the other hand if it could be > implemented at the driver level to do this check in reasonable speed > that would probably be better than doing the check at the macro level > (which will be slow) or the most likely alternative which is the fastest > and currently implemented method: don't do the check at all, and hit the > ocasional failure. Njet, etex should offer mapping. The topic we're discussing here is why I came up with the mapping things at the latest etex meeting. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 11:06:38 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12525 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09131 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:57:28 -0400 Received: from ooo.lanl.gov (ooo.lanl.gov [128.165.23.117]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09128 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:57:27 -0400 Received: (from schwande@localhost) by ooo.lanl.gov (x.x.x/x.x.x) id KAA16389; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199804071658.KAA16389@ooo.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Thorsten Schwander To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.39 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle writes: > > (are you both on the pdftex list, in which case can just use that (I > removed Hans from the CC as I know he's there) yes, individual cc to me is unnecessary > > > And, I think the interface must say one of two things: if the > > primitive is called with a file name containing an unmatched > > parentheses, either (1) it shall generate an error message, or else, > > (2) it will be treated as the true file name. A thrd possibility, that > > it produces invalid postscript/pdf is all I am arguing against. > > and presumably also you want the same behaviour for dvi dvriver when > reading a literal postscript \special and pdftex when processing user > supplied literal pdf strings > > ? > > This would seem to be necessary for the original \cite{foo)} example. > (Necessary if you want it solved at the primitive level not by macro > parsing) > > How much extra work would it be for a driver (and pdftex) to have to > check every such literal string? (I have no idea, always have tried to > avoid driver implementation details.) I leave the fundamental discussion to Tanmoy and only throw in our practical experience: for dvips we do not see a noticeable slowdown when looping through targetnames to check for harmful chars. Even for papers with more than 100 pages and many hyperlinks the variation in processing time due to normal fluctuations in system load completely overshadow the effect of the extra check. > It would not be unreasonable to specify that any person (or macro) > that is writing literal ps or pdf is supposed to know what it is doing > and write in valid PS syntax, with \(. On the other hand if it could be > implemented at the driver level to do this check in reasonable speed > that would probably be better than doing the check at the macro level > (which will be slow) or the most likely alternative which is the fastest > and currently implemented method: don't do the check at all, and hit the > ocasional failure. which amounts to up to 2 papers per week here due to widespread use of \cite{foo)} (we receive on the order of 100 new submissions per day). Therefore Tanmoy and I argue that the driver should either check and correct or give a warning/error. Thorsten -- T. Schwander (E-print Admin) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 12:38:07 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14517 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09588 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:26:52 -0400 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09585 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:26:50 -0400 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id MAA10419 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:28:04 -0600 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA22758; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:23:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:23:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199804071823.MAA22758@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: Thorsten Schwander Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <199804071658.KAA16389@ooo.lanl.gov> References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> <199804071658.KAA16389@ooo.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <199804071658.KAA16389@ooo.lanl.gov> dated 10:58:49 -0600 Tue April 7, 1998, Thorsten Schwander writes > for dvips we do not see a noticeable slowdown when looping through > targetnames to check for harmful chars. Even for papers with more than 100 > pages and many hyperlinks the variation in processing time due to normal > fluctuations in system load completely overshadow the effect of the extra > check. Just to clarify: we are only looking at the hyperref specials. The problem with scanning general ps: specials is more complicated because it would be difficult to figure out the actual intent, and I agree that should be handled by macros/etex. Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 14:09:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16428 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10147 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:05:05 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10144 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:05:03 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10248; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:06:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11985; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:06:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804072006.WAA11985@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <199804031820.LAA15388@qcd.lanl.gov> from Tanmoy Bhattacharya at "Apr 3, 98 11:20:30 am" To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov (Tanmoy Bhattacharya) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:06:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Is there a FAQ? I'm going to work on pdftex manual. A FAQ section should be there. I would be glad to hear any suggestions on it, considering to the questions as well as the answers. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 15:57:54 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19221 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10655 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:54:55 -0400 Received: from mailer.scri.fsu.edu (mailer.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.112.142]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10650 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:54:54 -0400 Received: from dirac (dirac.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.128.44]) by mailer.scri.fsu.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA20303; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Sebastian Rahtz Received: by dirac (AIX 4.2/UCB 5.64) id AA86610; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9804072155.AA86610@dirac> To: F.Duschek@t-online.de, cschenk@snafu.de, jbecker1@uni-goettingen.de, pdftex@tug.org Subject: -c Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Joachim Becker writes: > I use PDFLaTeX from the MiKTeX-package (Christian Scheck) in > combination with Hyperref (Sebastian Rahtz). > > This results in a defective PDF-file. > Even if I compile the sample file "running.tex" > (David Meeker. Cf. "http://members.aol.com/dcm3cftp/running.zip") > I get a PDF-file which shows on its first page 3 lines with strange > codes. pdftex is very much beta software, and I try to keep hyperref up to date to work with it. Thus, the current hyperref works with the current 0.12h pdftex. I do not meaningfully support any backward compatibility, sorry. You can try enabling the old pdftex 0.11 support which is still in hyperref by judicious editing of hyperref.ins (it should be obvious what to do), but i dont propose to fix any bugs it may produce. if you want a pdftex 0.12h to go with your miktex setup, you can download it from Thanh's site. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 16:01:12 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19277 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10652 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:54:54 -0400 Received: from mailer.scri.fsu.edu (mailer.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.112.142]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10642 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:54:51 -0400 Received: from dirac (dirac.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.128.44]) by mailer.scri.fsu.edu (8.8.7/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA20213; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sebastian Rahtz Received: by dirac (AIX 4.2/UCB 5.64) id AA143678; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9804072155.AA143678@dirac> To: pdftex@tug.org, pragma@pi.net, schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov Subject: -c Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > would speed up things). I'm pretty sure that some dat E-TeX will > provide suitable mappings (this as i commented to Tanmoy, this would an interesting application of Omega's translation processes. why wait for eTeX when you already have such an excellent TeX successor? whichever way you lean, the fact remains that *today*, hyperref has to translate for both its "nativepdf" support, and for pdftex (unless Thanh can fix this very quickly). any volunteers to write me a general purpose macro? I do accept, incidentally, Tanmoy's point that dvips should (and can with the patch he provided) be doing the translation of \special{html: sequences. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 16:26:08 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19863 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10825 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:23:21 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10822 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:23:15 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com ([198.179.146.155]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA32200; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <352AA5A5.CFABCB6@iws-irms.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:16:05 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: Tanmoy Bhattacharya , PDFTEX Subject: Re: [TETEX-PRETEST] Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again References: <199804072006.WAA11985@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > > > Is there a FAQ? > > I'm going to work on pdftex manual. A FAQ section should be there. I would be > glad to hear any suggestions on it, considering to the questions as well as the I have questions, not answers. :-) * How to set up font substitutions. * How to embed the fonts in the PDF * How NOT to embed the fonts in the PDF * How to minimize PDF size * How to create PDFs with hyperlinks Etc... Glauber -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 7 16:52:39 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20493 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10974 for pdftex-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:49:50 -0400 Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10971 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:49:48 -0400 Received: from infovore (root@infovore.xs4all.nl [194.109.13.254]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14321 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:05:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by infovore id m0yMchv-000clja (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:02:51 +0200 (CEST) X-From-Line: owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Tue Apr 7 19:54:42 1998 Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl ([194.109.6.52]) by infovore with esmtp id m0yMcZm-000dRIa (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:54:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from root@localhost) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04331 for olaf@infovore.xs4all.nl; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04305 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17368 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:11:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA07545 for tex-pretest-list; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:59:25 -0400 Received: from thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA07542 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:59:22 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de) by thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27522; Tue, 7 Apr 98 13:01:47 +0200 Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA18060; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:00:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:00:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199804071100.NAA18060@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: tex-pretest@tug.org Subject: pdftex type1 font parsing problems From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Original-Sender: owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Lines: 78 Xref: infovore.xs4all.nl tex-pretest:1435 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk A few weeks ago I've started experimenting with PDFTeX and I'm currently running pdftex-0.12f from teTeX-0.9-930318. Now, I've run into trouble with some Type1 fonts which apparently don't match the expectations built into pdftexdir/writet1.c. These fonts come from font CD-ROM that was included with a type design book ("Insiderbuch TypeDesign", Midas-Verlag, Switzerland) which I've bought last weekend. After reading through writet1.c and runnig t1disasm on the offending fonts, I think I have traced down the problem: In pdftexdir/writet1.c, you find several blocks of code like this: [...] do { T1_CHECK_EOF(); t1_getline(); t1_scan_param(); } while (!(T1_PREFIX("2 index /CharStrings") || T1_PREFIX("dup /CharStrings") || T1_PREFIX("/Subrs"))); [...] However, in the font files I have, you don't find these excact strings, instead the string "2 index /CharStrings" is broken across two lines with a comment in between. I'd suggest adding another check for lines starting directly with "/CharStrings", like this: [...] do { T1_CHECK_EOF(); t1_getline(); t1_scan_param(); } while (!(T1_PREFIX("2 index /CharStrings") || T1_PREFIX("dup /CharStrings") || T1_PREFIX("/CharStrings") || T1_PREFIX("/Subrs"))); [...] Hope this will solve the problems of unexpected end of files. Cheers, Ulrik. t1disasm ugmr8a.pfb - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - %!PS-AdobeFont-1.0: Garamond 001.000 %%CreationDate: 2/24/95 at 7:26 PM %%VMusage: 1024 45297 % Generated using Fontographer 4.1 and SeanTools 2.0 % Copyright 1994 URW & SoftMaker, Inc. All rights reserved. % ADL: 775 225 0 %%EndComments [...] [...] /Subrs 16 array dup 0 { [...] } NP ND 2 index % stk: font_dict font_dict -- /CharStrings 245 dict dup begin /Eth { [...] /.notdef { 0 1000 hsbw endchar } ND end end readonly put put dup/FontName get exch definefont pop mark currentfile closefile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 01:34:17 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00156 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA13511 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:29:55 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13508 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:29:54 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:31:09 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd14-137.par.compuserve.com [195.232.78.137]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id DAA10637 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA13197 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:05:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:05:13 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD62C5.0EB87190.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:05:10 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hai All, Can anyone help me with the following problem: if I run pdflatex on a simple .tex file the postscript picture is not included. I.e. if I view the resulting.pdf file where the picture should be is only a box the size of the picture with the name midleft, but that's all. The .eps file was converted by ImageMagick from a .bmp file. I would be very glad if someone could help me, either by specifing a workaround or something else. I've included as much info as I could, if you want to see more, let me know. Versions: web2c: 7.2 latex: 2e 1997/12/01 patchlevel 2 pdftex.def: 1997/06/09 v0.02d supp-pdf.tex: 1997.05.21 supp-mis.tex: 1997.01.04 The .tex file is: ------------------start latex file------------------ \documentclass{article} \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} \begin{document} This comes before. \begin{figure}[htb] \includegraphics[scale=0.75]{FormAanlanding.eps} \caption{Test figure} \end{figure} And this after. \end{document} ------------------endtex file------------------ Here the result of compiling that file: ------------------start output-------------- /usr/home/berend/tmp# pdflatex test This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-0.12h (Web2C 7.2) (pdftex.cfg) (test.tex LaTeX2e <1997/12/01> patch level 2 (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1997/10/10 v1.3x Standard LaTeX document class (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty) (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty) (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.cfg) (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def))) (test.aux) (/usr/local/texmf/tex/context/supp-pdf.tex (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/pdftex/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF ) [1] (test.aux) ) Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 23780 bytes). Transcript written on test.log. ------------------end output-------------- Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 02:34:51 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01183 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 02:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13804 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:31:10 -0400 Received: from sonyinet.sony.co.jp (sonyinet.Sony.CO.JP [202.238.80.17]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13801 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:31:08 -0400 Received: by sonyinet.sony.co.jp (3.6W-04/01/98) with SMTP id RAA06929 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:32:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from oskgw.osk.sony.co.jp (oskgw [43.2.2.1]) by sonygw.sony.co.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4W-97110610) with ESMTP id RAA26484 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:32:05 +0900 Received: from tvgw.tv.sony.co.jp (root@tvgw [43.2.7.100]) by oskgw.osk.sony.co.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4W-97092516) with SMTP id RAA03524; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:32:04 +0900 Received: from tvsfgw.sf.tv.sony.co.jp by tvgw.tv.sony.co.jp (4.2/6.4J.6) id AA23109; Wed, 8 Apr 98 17:25:23 JST Received: from devsfsrv1.sf.tv.sony.co.jp by tvsfgw.sf.tv.sony.co.jp (4.2/6.4J.6) id AA05047; Wed, 8 Apr 98 17:29:00 JST Received: from iwamoto.tv.sony.co.jp (tvf1pc54) by devsfsrv1.sf.tv.sony.co.jp (4.2/6.4J.6) id AA10423; Wed, 8 Apr 98 17:29:52 JST Message-Id: <199804080830.AA00490@iwamoto.tv.sony.co.jp> From: Tatsuya IWAMOTO Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 17:30:41 +0900 To: Berend de Boer Cc: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output In-Reply-To: <01BD62C5.0EB87190.berend@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk -- Berend de Boer wrote <1998/04/08 (Wed) 15:05:10> -------- > Hai All, > > Can anyone help me with the following problem: if I run pdflatex on a > simple .tex file the postscript picture is not included. I.e. if I view the > resulting.pdf file where the picture should be is only a box the size of > the picture with the name midleft, but that's all. > > The .eps file was converted by ImageMagick from a .bmp file. > > I would be very glad if someone could help me, either by specifing a > workaround or something else. I've included as much info as I could, if you > want to see more, let me know. > > Versions: > web2c: 7.2 > latex: 2e 1997/12/01 patchlevel 2 > pdftex.def: 1997/06/09 v0.02d > supp-pdf.tex: 1997.05.21 > supp-mis.tex: 1997.01.04 > > > The .tex file is: > > ------------------start latex file------------------ > \documentclass{article} > > \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} > > \begin{document} > > This comes before. > > \begin{figure}[htb] > \includegraphics[scale=0.75]{FormAanlanding.eps} > \caption{Test figure} > \end{figure} > > And this after. > > \end{document} > ------------------endtex file------------------ > > > Here the result of compiling that file: > > ------------------start output-------------- > /usr/home/berend/tmp# pdflatex test > This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-0.12h (Web2C 7.2) > (pdftex.cfg) (test.tex > LaTeX2e <1997/12/01> patch level 2 > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls > Document Class: article 1997/10/10 v1.3x Standard LaTeX document class > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty) > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty) > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.cfg) > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/pdftex.def))) (test.aux) > (/usr/local/texmf/tex/context/supp-pdf.tex > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/pdftex/supp-mis.tex > loading : Context Support Macros / Missing > ) > loading : Context Support Macros / PDF > ) [1] (test.aux) ) > Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 23780 bytes). > Transcript written on test.log. > ------------------end output-------------- > > > Groetjes, > > Berend. Hi Berend, eps file cannot be included into your document when using pdftex. Check and see your pdftex.def file. I have also heard some explanations that it is difficult. Another way to do it is convert your drawing into a pdf file. Before you do this, turn all you text into outlines. Or, as you have written, if your source graphics is bmp, convert it into png. That should be a better way in this case. Tatsuya From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 03:55:31 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02301 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14189 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:50:09 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA14186 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:50:07 -0400 Received: by toucan.stats (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA02520; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:52:42 +0100 From: ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk (Prof Brian Ripley) Message-Id: <199804080952.KAA02520@toucan.stats> To: berend@pobox.com Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > From: Berend de Boer > > Can anyone help me with the following problem: if I run pdflatex on a > simple .tex file the postscript picture is not included. I.e. if I view the > resulting.pdf file where the picture should be is only a box the size of > the picture with the name midleft, but that's all. You cannot include eps files in pdf(la)tex, and graphicx defaults to draft mode for graphics formats it cannot process. To me this is pdftex's major disadvantage (more precisely, that the scope of the graphic formats that can be used is limited). Not a criticism of pdftex, but why I find myself using dvi -> ps -> pdf with Distiller most of the time. > The .eps file was converted by ImageMagick from a .bmp file. Convert it to a PNG file instead of eps, and include that instead. The version of ImageMagick we have can do that. As BMP and PNG are both bitmap formats, this should work without losing (much) quality. (I would use xv to do the conversion, as that lets you see the effect, and in my limited experience juggles quality issues better.) At least in theory you could convert the eps file to pdf (for example by ps2pdf in ghostscript) but I suspect bmp -> png will be better. Brian Ripley From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 04:45:50 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02907 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14427 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:41:52 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14424 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:41:48 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA00785; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:47:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:47:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199804081047.LAA00785@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804071823.MAA22758@qcd.lanl.gov> (message from Tanmoy Bhattacharya on Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:23:58 -0600) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> <199804071658.KAA16389@ooo.lanl.gov> <199804071823.MAA22758@qcd.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Just to clarify: we are only looking at the hyperref specials. The > problem with scanning general ps: specials is more complicated because > it would be difficult to figure out the actual intent, and I agree > that should be handled by macros/etex. Oh. I think then it is clear that neither the user nor the macros should use PS syntax in hypertex specials so in that case it is clear that the driver should do it. As Sebastian said this doesn't really help him that much as he would still need to code the conversion via macros to use with the `pdfmark' option which uses literal postscript specials. And probably in that case pdftex should not do any conversion and should document that all its arguments that are effectively pdf strings need to use pdf/ps syntax and quote ( etc. In practice this means that a macro layer (or an omega/etex translation process) will probably need to be written to protect the user from the primitives. All in agreement then? David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 05:19:03 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03352 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14589 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:14:10 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14583 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:13:36 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA00829; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:18:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199804081118.MAA00829@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <199804080952.KAA02520@toucan.stats> (ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk) Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output References: <199804080952.KAA02520@toucan.stats> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Can anyone help me with the following problem: if I run pdflatex on a > simple .tex file the postscript picture is not included. It would probably be clearer if latex admitted to the user that it could not input eps That is, I should change this in pdftex.def \def\Gin@extensions{.png,.mps,.pdf,.eps,.ps,.eps.gz,.ps.gz,.eps.Z} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.png}#1{{png}{.png}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.mps}#1{{mps}{.mps}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.pdf}#1{{pdf}{.pdf}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.ps}#1{{eps}{.ps}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.eps}#1{{eps}{.eps}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.pz}#1{{eps}{.bb}{`gunzip -c #1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.eps.Z}#1{{eps}{.eps.bb}{`gunzip -c #1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.ps.Z}#1{{eps}{.ps.bb}{`gunzip -c #1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.ps.gz}#1{{eps}{.ps.bb}{`gunzip -c #1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.eps.gz}#1{{eps}{.eps.bb}{`gunzip -c #1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@*}#1{{eps}{\Gin@ext}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.pcx}#1{{bmp}{}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.bmp}#1{{bmp}{}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.msp}#1{{bmp}{}{#1}} to this \def\Gin@extensions{.png,.mps,.pdf} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.png}#1{{png}{.png}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.mps}#1{{mps}{.mps}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.pdf}#1{{pdf}{.pdf}{#1}} Then the user who tries to include an eps file gets ! LaTeX Error: Unknown graphics extension: .eps. which is probably better than just silently doing the wrong thing. Note I also removed the default `*' rule. Last time this came up we discussed making the default PNG but that would mean the system tried to load a .eps file as a png bitmap (since it knows no better) which wouldn't be that helpful. Any other suggestions? David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 06:18:40 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04116 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14839 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:30 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14836 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id IAA01930 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output In-Reply-To: <199804080830.AA00490@iwamoto.tv.sony.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Tatsuya IWAMOTO wrote: > Another way to do it is convert your drawing into a pdf file. > Before you do this, turn all you text into outlines. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ How would you do the latter? I have eps files generated by Maple that I'd like to include in pdf. I can convert them to either png (ImageMagick) or pdf (ghostscript). The gs route works well, except that the text in the eps doesn't come over very well. I guess that what I'd really like is a sort of "pdffrag" (by analogy with psfrag). Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 06:21:08 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04158 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14844 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:53 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14841 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:52 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00881; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:20:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:20:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199804081220.NAA00881@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: <9804072155.AA143678@dirac> (message from Sebastian Rahtz on Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:52 -0400) Subject: Re: -c References: <9804072155.AA143678@dirac> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > any volunteers to write me a general purpose macro? How general? This isn't very general at all, but quotes ( and ) it assumes there will not be any catcode 1,2 { } brace groups to confuse the issue, and just works via expansion. \documentclass{article} \makeatletter \def\psquotebraces#1{% \psq@l{}#1(\psq@l} \def\psq@l#1#2(#3{% \ifx\psq@l#3% \psq@r#1#2)\psq@r \else \afterfi \psq@l{#1#2\@backslashchar(}#3% \fi} \def\afterfi#1\fi{\fi#1} \def\psq@r#1)#2{% #1% \ifx\psq@r#2% \else \@backslashchar)\expandafter\psq@r\expandafter#2% \fi} \begin{document} \typeout{\psquotebraces{abc}} \typeout{\psquotebraces{ab(c}} \typeout{\psquotebraces{ab)(c}} \typeout{\psquotebraces{a(b)c}} \typeout{\psquotebraces{a((b)c}} \end{document} From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 08:00:03 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05713 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15198 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:51:42 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15195 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:51:30 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA00955; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:55:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:55:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199804081355.OAA00955@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org In-reply-to: (message from Allin Cottrell on Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:05 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output References: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I guess that what I'd really like is a sort of > "pdffrag" (by analogy with psfrag). Well you can't have one! psfrag just uses those parts of PS that are not in PDF, it doesn't itself image any lines or text, it is just a PostScript program to move text around in slightly sneaky ways. So it doesn't have much chance of working in PDF which hasn't really got any programming constructs. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 08:19:13 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06082 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15333 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:48 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (dialin2-123.wustl.edu [128.252.82.123]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15330 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:10:45 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17452; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:29:17 -0500 To: Allin Cottrell Cc: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output References: From: Alan Shutko Date: 08 Apr 1998 08:29:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Allin Cottrell's message of Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "A" == Allin Cottrell writes: A> On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Tatsuya IWAMOTO wrote: >> Another way to do it is convert your drawing into a pdf file. >> Before you do this, turn all you text into outlines. A> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ How would you A> do the latter? I have eps files generated by Maple that I'd like A> to include in pdf. Hmm... that would be difficult in this case. What you need is software which will read EPSes... I hear Illustrator can finally do it, or maybe pstoedit will get it into xfig, which can do it, I think... -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted Love is not enough, but it sure helps. From owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Wed Apr 8 04:18:05 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02568 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14290 for tex-pretest-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:12:23 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14287 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:12:18 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19579; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:12:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01132; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:12:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804081012.MAA01132@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdftex type1 font parsing problems In-Reply-To: <199804071100.NAA18060@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> from Ulrik Vieth at "Apr 7, 98 01:00:23 pm" To: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (Ulrik Vieth) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:12:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: tex-pretest@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tex-pretest@tug.org Precedence: bulk > A few weeks ago I've started experimenting with PDFTeX and > I'm currently running pdftex-0.12f from teTeX-0.9-930318. > > Now, I've run into trouble with some Type1 fonts which apparently > don't match the expectations built into pdftexdir/writet1.c. > These fonts come from font CD-ROM that was included with a type > design book ("Insiderbuch TypeDesign", Midas-Verlag, Switzerland) > which I've bought last weekend. > > After reading through writet1.c and runnig t1disasm on the offending > fonts, I think I have traced down the problem: > > In pdftexdir/writet1.c, you find several blocks of code like this: > > [...] > do { > T1_CHECK_EOF(); > t1_getline(); > t1_scan_param(); > } while (!(T1_PREFIX("2 index /CharStrings") || > T1_PREFIX("dup /CharStrings") || > T1_PREFIX("/Subrs"))); > [...] > > However, in the font files I have, you don't find these excact > strings, instead the string "2 index /CharStrings" is broken > across two lines with a comment in between. I'd suggest adding > another check for lines starting directly with "/CharStrings", > like this: > > [...] > do { > T1_CHECK_EOF(); > t1_getline(); > t1_scan_param(); > } while (!(T1_PREFIX("2 index /CharStrings") || > T1_PREFIX("dup /CharStrings") || > T1_PREFIX("/CharStrings") || > T1_PREFIX("/Subrs"))); > [...] > > Hope this will solve the problems of unexpected end of files. many thanks for the report. I'll add the change to the next release. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 08:27:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06282 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15401 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:21:01 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15395 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:20:58 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15110; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19773; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804081420.QAA19773@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pdflatex in teTeX 0.9 980325 again In-Reply-To: <199803311138.MAA08859@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from David Aspinall at "Mar 31, 98 12:38:42 pm" To: da@dcs.ed.ac.uk (David Aspinall) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Okay, I got hyperref 6.19 which fixes the error I showed before. > > Things are better, but I'm having problems with the Y&Y Lucida fonts. > With the file below I get this error: > > ! Error: pdflatex (file hlhr8a.pfa): > unexpected end of file > > No problem with these fonts with 0.11. Perhaps pdftex 0.12h only > works (properly) with pfb files? shame on me :-(. It will be fixed in the next release. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 08:35:56 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06546 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15461 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:32:13 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15436 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:30:47 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07194; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:30:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA24183; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:33:16 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:33:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804081433.QAA24183@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Allin Cottrell CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output In-Reply-To: References: <199804080830.AA00490@iwamoto.tv.sony.co.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output », Allin Cottrell écrit : « » On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Tatsuya IWAMOTO wrote: » » > Another way to do it is convert your drawing into a pdf file. » > Before you do this, turn all you text into outlines. » ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ » How would you do the latter? I have eps files generated by » Maple that I'd like to include in pdf. I can convert them to » either png (ImageMagick) or pdf (ghostscript). The gs route » works well, except that the text in the eps doesn't come over i think it's the purpose of the -dNOCACHE switch » very well. I guess that what I'd really like is a sort of » "pdffrag" (by analogy with psfrag). » better use the picture environment and place yourself the required text where you want. I already work like that in PS because i don't like to mix tex's typeset text with the usually badthings output by graphical programms. BTW, i don't remember what psfrag does, but at least with xfig's combined tex/eps output, you should be happy and see what i mean. » Allin Cottrell » Department of Economics » Wake Forest University, NC » » From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 10:29:22 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09438 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16151 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:26:12 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16148 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:26:09 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01305; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:30:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:30:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199804081630.RAA01305@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: ! File ended while scanning use of \Gread@find@mbox. Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone else get the above occasionally if including pdf files into latex? If so you might like to change \read\@inputcheck to\@tempa \ifeof\@inputcheck \Gread@false \else \expandafter\Gread@find@mbox\@tempa []\\% to \read\@inputcheck to\.% \ifeof\@inputcheck \Gread@false \else \expandafter\Gread@find@mbox\. []\\% in pdftex.def ie replace \@tempa by \. (Note that is \.[] on the last line. TeX drops the space if you use \@tempa instead of \. ) David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 11:38:31 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11272 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16504 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:35:50 -0400 Received: from by.genie.uottawa.ca (by.genie.uottawa.ca [137.122.20.226]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA16501 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:35:48 -0400 Received: from zeus.genie.uottawa.ca by by.genie.uottawa.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19627; Wed, 8 Apr 98 13:35:17 EDT Received: from yoho.uottawa.ca by zeus.genie.uottawa.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05499; Wed, 8 Apr 98 13:37:18 EDT Received: by yoho.uottawa.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA07795; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:34:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:34:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199804081734.NAA07795@yoho.uottawa.ca> From: Philippe Lavoie To: pdftex Subject: Tex capacity exceeded :( X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, This is an easy question, how can I increase the TeX capacity ? I get this error ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=300]. \reset@color l.550 \end{theindex} It doesn't show up if I process the file with latex. It does with hyperref and pdflatex. Thanks Phil PS sorry for the easy question From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 13:08:13 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13615 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16948 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:04:58 -0400 Received: from toucan.stats (toucan.stats.ox.ac.uk [163.1.20.20]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16945 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:04:56 -0400 Received: by toucan.stats (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA03003; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:06:14 +0100 From: ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk (Prof Brian Ripley) Message-Id: <199804081906.UAA03003@toucan.stats> Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:06:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu, pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: <199804081433.QAA24183@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from "Thierry Bouche" at Apr 8, 98 04:33:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: [apologies for the limited character set of this reader] > > Concernant =AB Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output =BB, Allin Co= > ttrell =E9crit :=A0=AB > =BB On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Tatsuya IWAMOTO wrote: > =BB=20 > =BB > Another way to do it is convert your drawing into a pdf file. > =BB > Before you do this, turn all you text into outlines. > =BB ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > =BB How would you do the latter? I have eps files generated by > =BB Maple that I'd like to include in pdf. I can convert them to > =BB either png (ImageMagick) or pdf (ghostscript). The gs route > =BB works well, except that the text in the eps doesn't come over > > i think it's the purpose of the -dNOCACHE switch Possibly, but it seems not to work for me. The only mention in the gs5.10 docs is -dNOCACHE disables character caching. Only useful for debugging. which is hardly encouraging. I think it does convert text to outlines, but I've just tried again and pdftex is unable to read the output of my example, which looks broken to me. > > =BB very well. I guess that what I'd really like is a sort of > =BB "pdffrag" (by analogy with psfrag). > =BB=20 > > better use the picture environment and place yourself the required > text where you want. I already work like that in PS because i don't > like to mix tex's typeset text with the usually badthings output by > graphical programms. BTW, i don't remember what psfrag does, but at > least with xfig's combined tex/eps output, you should be happy and see > what i mean. > Since this sort of things keeps on coming up here, can I emphasis it. Allin told up his .eps files were generated in Maple. He has no choice to use the picture environment nor xfig nor .... In my case it is even more pressing: my figures are generated by the statistical package S-PLUS and used to illustrate instructions about how to use that package. S-PLUS _can_ generate pdf, but it is not pdf that pdftex will (yet) accept: as I understand from Hans Hagen this is because it contains several pdf objects (and refers to the base 14 fonts, too). -- Brian D. Ripley, ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272860 (secr) Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 13:42:38 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14452 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17101 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:36:11 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17098 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:36:10 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:36:08 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd11-220.par.compuserve.com [195.232.75.220]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id PAA03995; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA26589; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:29:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:29:46 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD6335.73F710F0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Tatsuya IWAMOTO'" Cc: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: RE: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:29:44 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:31 AM, Tatsuya IWAMOTO [SMTP:iwamoto@tv.sony.co.jp] wrote: > > Versions: > > web2c: 7.2 > > pdftex: Version 3.14159-0.12h > > latex: 2e 1997/12/01 patchlevel 2 > > pdftex.def: 1997/06/09 v0.02d > > supp-pdf.tex: 1997.05.21 > > supp-mis.tex: 1997.01.04 > eps file cannot be included into your document when using pdftex. > Check and see your pdftex.def file. > Or, as you have written, if your source graphics is bmp, > convert it into png. I tried that, however I now get: (/usr/local/texmf/tex/context/supp-pdf.tex (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/pdftex/supp-mis.tex loading : Context Support Macros / Missing ) loading : Context Support Macros / PDF ) ! Error: pdflatex (file FormSCSWatcher01.png): interlace type not supported Do I need to enable something somewhere else? My pdftex.def is the default one. Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 15:04:05 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16359 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17481 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:45 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17478 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id QAA03459 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:57:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output In-Reply-To: <199804081906.UAA03003@toucan.stats> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Prof Brian Ripley wrote: > Since this sort of things keeps on coming up here, can I emphasis it. > Allin told up his .eps files were generated in Maple. He has no choice to > use the picture environment nor xfig nor .... Yes, that's right. I have found that it's easy enough to strip the text out of the eps file that Maple creates, after which gs will turn it into usable (by pdftex) pdf. The problem is putting the text back in, in the right places! I'm trying to follow the model of Xfig's "pstex" pair of files but I'm having difficulty getting the right algorithm to translate from the postscript coordinates to the coordinates within the LaTeX picture environment. I suppose that (a) learning some postscript coding and (b) studying the xfig code might help. Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 8 15:22:30 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16815 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17597 for pdftex-list; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:20:08 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17594 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:20:06 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08114; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:20:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08735; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:20:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804082120.XAA08735@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output In-Reply-To: <01BD6335.73F710F0.berend@pobox.com> from Berend de Boer at "Apr 8, 98 09:29:44 pm" To: berend@pobox.com (Berend de Boer) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:20:05 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > On Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:31 AM, Tatsuya IWAMOTO [SMTP:iwamoto@tv.sony.co.jp] wrote: > > > > Versions: > > > web2c: 7.2 > > > pdftex: Version 3.14159-0.12h > > > latex: 2e 1997/12/01 patchlevel 2 > > > pdftex.def: 1997/06/09 v0.02d > > > supp-pdf.tex: 1997.05.21 > > > supp-mis.tex: 1997.01.04 > > > > eps file cannot be included into your document when using pdftex. > > Check and see your pdftex.def file. > > Or, as you have written, if your source graphics is bmp, > > convert it into png. > > I tried that, however I now get: > > (/usr/local/texmf/tex/context/supp-pdf.tex > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/pdftex/supp-mis.tex > loading : Context Support Macros / Missing > ) > loading : Context Support Macros / PDF > ) > ! Error: pdflatex (file FormSCSWatcher01.png): > interlace type not supported > > Do I need to enable something somewhere else? My pdftex.def is the default one. > pdftex doesn't support interlaced PNG. Try to convert bmp --> non-interlaced png. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 01:24:13 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14912 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20291 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:15:16 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20288 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:15:10 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24286; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:15:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16762; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:14:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804090714.JAA16762@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: A font encoding problem? In-Reply-To: <27.891873718@www.gmx.net> from "colin.marquardt@gmx.net" at "Apr 6, 98 04:41:58 pm" To: colin.marquardt@gmx.net Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:14:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > after running PDFTeX 0.11 successfully for three months (nice stuff, > Thanh!) last week I installed Fabrice Popineau's Win32 port of PDFTeX > 0.12h in a totally different texmf-tree. > > All went fine, and I already made some PDF's, but then I wanted to use > Palatino (or, to be exact, Palladio from URW++, which comes with > Ghostscript). PDFTeX 0.11 worked with Palatino/Palladio before, the > *.sty and *.fd files are there. It took a while until I discovered that > I need to uncomment the "map standard.map" entry in pdftex.cfg (because > that's where the ppl's are mapped). I replaced the entries for Palatino > with the following: > > pplb8r URWPalladioL-Bold pplbi8r URWPalladioL-BoldItal pplbo8r URWPalladioL-Bold pplr8r URWPalladioL-Roma pplri8r URWPalladioL-Ital pplro8r URWPalladioL-Roma > Then I PDFTeX'ed my document, and found that all my z's and sharp s's > weren't there, my umlaute however showed up. > > Playing around a little, I found that I could invoke the error with the > following short document: > > % ----------------------------------------------- > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage{palatino} > \begin{document} > zzzzzzzz > y % try to comment this "y" out > \end{document} > % ----------------------------------------------- > > If the y is there, then the z's are missing and replaced by points > instead; if I uncomment the y, then the z's show up correctly. With > this short document I get an error message from the Reader which my > larger original document didn't produce. A bad translation of the > message would be: > > "The font 'KWAAAA+URWPalladioL-Roma' cannot be found or created. Some > glyphs are possibly not correctly shown or printed." > > My original document simply showed nothing in the places in question, > not even the points as in this document. Specifying T1 for > inputencoding doesn't change things (oh, I lie, I can change the > mysterious uppercase letters before 'URWPalladio...' with that...). thanks for the testing. pdftex-0.12i will fix it (coming by this weekend). Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 01:33:39 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06437 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20065 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:33:30 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20062 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:33:29 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:33:25 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd01-057.par.compuserve.com [195.232.65.57]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id CAA06277; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA27337; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:58:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:58:21 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD638D.43DEDEE0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Prof Brian Ripley'" Cc: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: RE: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:58:19 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:28 PM, Prof Brian Ripley [SMTP:ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk] wrote: > > ! Error: pdflatex (file FormSCSWatcher01.png): > > interlace type not supported > Yes. You need to produce a non-interlaced PNG file. That's the -interlace > option on convert. (As I said, I use xv, it's easier.) When laying on bed last night I got the same idea :-) I first thought it was a typo (interlace -> interface). Maybe the msg could better be: "Interlaced PNG files are not supported. Please convert it to a non-interlaced PNG." Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 03:43:15 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA24076 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20877 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:37:53 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20874 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:37:51 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl22.pi.net [145.220.204.22]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA05706; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:37:21 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:37:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <352C7200.7D24@pi.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:00:16 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tanmoy Bhattacharya CC: schwander@ooo.lanl.gov, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <29617936@toto.iv> <3740-Thu02Apr1998221510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031549.IAA15186@qcd.lanl.gov> <2717-Fri03Apr1998165522+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804031638.JAA15239@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804061214.NAA16020@nag.co.uk> <199804061505.JAA19948@qcd.lanl.gov> <352905FF.3F0E@pi.net> <199804071529.JAA22437@qcd.lanl.gov> <199804071554.QAA16863@nag.co.uk> <199804071607.KAA22486@qcd.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tanmoy Bhattacharya wrote: > As to Hans' comment: > > > BTW, is ( a valid ISO-9600 filename? I don't think so. > > Does the pdf spec say that the file name has to be a valid ISO-9600 > file name? Or can it be any filename supported by the implementation? Any filename ... > On unices it is trivial to create a filename like (.pdf, according to > the pdf spec do I need a www plugin to access such files even if they > are on my local disk? :-) As far as I understand, the spec leaves it to the browser indeed, just like with annotation links naming depends on the operating system. This fuzzy specs make pdf files less portable, that's why I prefer to stick to something ISO. Well, a file ).pdf is at least accessible, but on W95 I quite often get files with only .pdf or even complete empty filenames (or invisible ones, consisting of who knows how many spaces). The bad news is that those are hard to remove/delete. This brings up a question. Are filenames case sensitive in unix pdf viewers? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 04:36:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25055 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:36:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21254 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:34:15 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21251 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:34:14 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl49.pi.net [145.220.204.49]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA25394; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:33:34 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:33:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <352C97C9.310C@pi.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:41:29 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Prof Brian Ripley CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: .eps file doesn't show up in .pdf output References: <199804081906.UAA03003@toucan.stats> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Prof Brian Ripley wrote: > S-PLUS _can_ generate pdf, but it is not pdf that pdftex will (yet) > accept: as I understand from Hans Hagen this is because it contains > several pdf objects (and refers to the base 14 fonts, too). Right. I'm going to study this problem soon. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 05:21:29 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25878 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21453 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:18:19 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21450 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:18:13 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13843; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:15:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27953; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:15:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804091115.NAA27953@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: gsview and acroread In-Reply-To: <35259AF6.43BAE786@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Apr 4, 98 12:29:10 pm" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:15:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I installed acroread 3.01 on a 20 mhz 386 running Windows 3.1, > and apart from everything taking a Very Long Time, I found it > behaved the same way as it does under Windows95. > i.e. when the font is not installed, acroread displayed the file > "correctly", but when I installed verdana.ttf (which for Windows 3.1 > may involve more than just copying the file to the right directory > -- I did something in control panel) it displayed "incorrectly". > > I can't tell whether this is a bug in acroread, causing it to ignore > the Differences key when it uses the installed version of the font, > or a bug in pdftex which causes the pdf file to incorrectly describe the > fonts used. No doubt acroread thinks it is clever to used the > installed font if it can. many thanks for your testing. At the moment TrueType font support in AcroReader is not very realible. TT fonts cannot be reencoded just "on-the-fly" by specifying /Encoding dict in PDF file as the PDF spec says :-(. Actually pdftex has to reencode TT font itself. And in my opinion a font installed on system should have lower priority than a font embeded in PDF file. AcroReader does something quite strange: embeded Type1 fonts have higher priority than the installed ones, but TT fonts don't. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 05:22:47 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25941 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21470 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:20:48 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21467 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:20:42 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14164; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:20:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28259; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:20:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804091120.NAA28259@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Font subsetting for true-type fonts In-Reply-To: <3522C15A.248C3191@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Apr 2, 98 08:36:10 am" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:20:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Is font subsetting working correctly for true-type fonts > with pdftex 0.12h? > As I read the pdf specifications, a subsetted font should > be given a FontName of the form > pseudoUniqueTag+ > However, I don't see any FontName keys of this form in my > pdf file when I use true type fonts; the FontName key seems > to just be the name of the complete font. > I am wondering if this is the cause of my my problem (see > the "gsview and acroread" messages) where acroread seems to > look for an installed version of a font instead of the > reencoded version I have tried to use in my pdf file. > > Incidentally, I have found that if I use the ttf versions of > the cm fonts I have a similar problem. If those ttf files are > installed in my \windows\fonts directory then acroread won't > display the ligatures in my pdf files, but if I remove the > ttf files from \windows\fonts then its OK. ah, I didn't notice that now TT fonts can have a FontName of the form /pseudoUniqueTag+Name. In PDFspec-1.1 and the draft version of PDFspec-1.2, only Type1 fonts can have FontName in this form. I hope this can help to force AcroReader use embeded fonts instead of installed ones if possible. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 06:16:18 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27005 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA21628 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:03:17 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21625 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:03:14 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA01733; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:07:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:07:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199804091207.NAA01733@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex.def for latex Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Slightly updated (mainly things mentioned on this list in the last couple of days already, look for % v0.02e to see changes) David \ProvidesFile{pdftex.def}[1998/04/09 v0.02e graphics/color for pdftex] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% %% LaTeX Colour and Graphics support for PDFTeX %% %% David Carlisle, Sebastian Rahtz and Hans Hagen %% %% It may be used by specifying the pdftex option to any of the %% supported packages, for example: %% %% \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Colour Support. The following models may be used. % * cmyk supported directly. % * rgb supported directly. % * RGB converted to rgb by this file. % * gray converted to rgb by this file. % * named converted to cmyk by this file. % \def\c@lor@arg#1{% \dimen@#1\p@ \ifdim\dimen@<\z@\dimen@\maxdimen\fi \ifdim\dimen@>\p@ \PackageError{color}{Argument `#1' not in range [0,1]}\@ehd \fi} \def\color@cmyk#1#2{\c@lor@@cmyk#2\@@#1} \def\c@lor@@cmyk#1,#2,#3,#4\@@#5{% \c@lor@arg{#4}% \c@lor@arg{#1}% \c@lor@arg{#2}% \c@lor@arg{#3}% \edef#5{#1 #2 #3 #4 k #1 #2 #3 #4 K}% } \def\color@gray#1#2{\c@lor@@rgb#2,#2,#2\@@#1} \def\color@rgb#1#2{\c@lor@@rgb#2\@@#1} \def\c@lor@@rgb#1,#2,#3\@@#4{% \c@lor@arg{#1}% \c@lor@arg{#2}% \c@lor@arg{#3}% \edef#4{#1 #2 #3 rg #1 #2 #3 RG}% } \def\color@RGB#1#2{\c@lor@@RGB#2\@@#1} \def\c@lor@@RGB#1,#2,#3\@@#4{% \c@lor@RGB@rgb{#1}\@tempa \c@lor@RGB@rgb{#2}\@tempb \c@lor@RGB@rgb{#3}\@tempc \c@lor@@rgb\@tempa,\@tempb,\@tempc\@@#4% } \def\c@lor@RGB@rgb#1#2{% \dimen@#1\p@ \divide\dimen@\@cclv \edef#2{\strip@pt\dimen@}} \def\color@named#1#2{\c@lor@@named#2,,\@@#1} \def\c@lor@@named#1,#2,#3\@@#4{% \@ifundefined{col@#1}% {\PackageError{color}{Undefined color `#1'}\@ehd}% {\edef#4{\csname col@#1\endcsname}}% } \def\set@color{\pdfliteral{\current@color}\aftergroup\reset@color} \def\reset@color{\pdfliteral{\current@color}} \def\define@color@named#1#2{% \expandafter\edef\csname col@#1\endcsname{#2}} \def\current@color{1 1 1 1 k 1 1 1 1 K} % Need the `colorfix' modifications as no internal colour stack % is maintained %<*colorfix> \AtBeginDocument{% \let\@ldc@l@r\color \def\color{\if@inlabel\leavevmode\fi\@ldc@l@r}% \let\@lduseb@x\usebox \def\usebox#1{\@lduseb@x{#1}\set@color}} % % % Graphic inclusion. Currently supports .png, .mps and .pdf inclusion; % .mps is MetaPost output. % .pdf is the limited subset derived from GhostScript processing. % % .pdf and .mps inclusion depend on loading a CONTEXT module by Hans Hagen % % PNG bitmaps may be scaled/rotated as usual % by the graphics commands or keyword arguments. \def\Gread@png#1{% \setbox\@tempboxa\hbox{\pdfimage#1\relax}% \def\Gin@llx{0}\let\Gin@lly\Gin@llx \Gin@defaultbp\Gin@urx{\wd\@tempboxa}% \Gin@defaultbp\Gin@ury{\ht\@tempboxa}} \edef\Gread@MBox{/MediaBox} \def\Gread@pdf#1{% \begingroup \@tempcnta\z@ \loop\ifnum\@tempcnta<\@xxxii \catcode\@tempcnta14 % \advance\@tempcnta\@ne \repeat \catcode127=14 % \let\do\@makeother\dospecials\catcode`\ 10 % \catcode\endlinechar5 % \immediate\openin\@inputcheck#1 % \ifeof\@inputcheck \@latex@error{File `#1' not found}\@ehc \else \Gread@true \let\@tempb\Gread@false \loop % v0.02e: use \. not \@tempa so the space is preserved before [ \read\@inputcheck to\.% \ifeof\@inputcheck \Gread@false \else \expandafter\Gread@find@mbox\. []\\% \fi \ifGread@ \repeat \immediate\closein\@inputcheck \fi \ifGin@bbox\else \@latex@error {Cannot determine size of graphic in #1 (no BoundingBox)}% \@ehc \gdef\@gtempa{0 0 72 72 }% \fi \endgroup \expandafter\Gread@parse@bb\@gtempa\\} \long\def\Gread@find@mbox#1 [#2]#3\\{% \def\@tempa{#1}% \ifx\@tempa\Gread@MBox \gdef\@gtempa{#2 }% \@tempb \Gin@bboxtrue \fi } \def\Ginclude@png#1{% \hbox{% \pdfimage \@height\Gin@req@height \@width\Gin@req@width #1\relax}} \def\Ginclude@mps#1{% \def\@tempa{!}% \ifx\Gin@scaley\@tempa \let\Gin@scaley\Gin@scalex \else \ifx\Gin@scalex\@tempa\let\Gin@scalex\Gin@scaley\fi \fi \hbox{% \convertMPtoPDF{#1}{\Gin@scalex}{\Gin@scaley}% }% } \def\Gread@mps{\Gread@eps} \def\Ginclude@pdf#1{% \def\@tempa{!}% \ifx\Gin@scaley\@tempa \let\Gin@scaley\Gin@scalex \else \ifx\Gin@scalex\@tempa\let\Gin@scalex\Gin@scaley\fi \fi \hbox{% \convertPDFtoPDF{#1}{\Gin@scalex}{\Gin@scaley} {0bp} {0bp}{\Gin@req@width}{\Gin@req@height}% }% } % v0.02e: restrict the rules to just the types that pdftex can currently % deal with. \def\Gin@extensions{.png,.mps,.pdf} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.png}#1{{png}{.png}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.mps}#1{{mps}{.mps}{#1}} \@namedef{Gin@rule@.pdf}#1{{pdf}{.pdf}{#1}} % Rotation % slightly hacky, but set width of box 0 to 0pt otherwise % the CTM gets restored in the wrong place. \def\Grot@start{% \pdfliteral{ q \Grot@cos\space\Grot@sin\space-\Grot@sin\space\Grot@cos\space 0 0 cm}% \wd\z@\z@} \def\Grot@end{\pdfliteral{ Q}} % Scaling is OK, as graphics package does it right here. \def\Gscale@start{% \pdfliteral{ q \Gscale@x\space0 0 \Gscale@y\space 0 0 cm}} \let\Gscale@end\Grot@end % undo the trig.sty `optimisation' so that these 0 1 and -1 values % get written out as digits, not unexpandable TeX primitives. \AtBeginDocument{% \expandafter\def\csname sin(0)\endcsname{0}% \expandafter\def\csname cos(0)\endcsname{1}% \expandafter\def\csname sin(90)\endcsname{1}% \expandafter\def\csname cos(90)\endcsname{0}% \expandafter\def\csname sin(-90)\endcsname{-1}% \expandafter\def\csname cos(-90)\endcsname{0}% \expandafter\def\csname sin(180)\endcsname{0}% \expandafter\def\csname cos(180)\endcsname{-1}} % Are we running under PDFTeX? \ifx\pdfpageheight\@undefined \PackageWarningNoLine\@currname {pdftex option does not work with standard TeX} \else \pdfpageheight\paperheight \pdfpagewidth\paperwidth \pdfoutput=1 \fi % supp-pdf does strange things to some catcodes; isolate % for now. This is Hans Hagen's module from CONTEXT. % % v0.02e: Restore catcodes of context letters. (context has code % to do this, but something in latex is stopping it. Should % sort that out one day...) \AtBeginDocument{% \edef\@tempa{% \catcode`\noexpand\!\the\catcode`\! \catcode`\noexpand\@\the\catcode`\@ \catcode`\noexpand\?\the\catcode`\? }% \InputIfFileExists{supp-pdf}{}{}% \@tempa} \endinput From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 09:39:43 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03073 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22639 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:32:40 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22636 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:32:26 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01984 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:32:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12435 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:32:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804091532.RAA12435@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Font subsetting for true-type fonts To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:32:11 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > Is font subsetting working correctly for true-type fonts > > with pdftex 0.12h? > > As I read the pdf specifications, a subsetted font should > > be given a FontName of the form > > pseudoUniqueTag+ > > However, I don't see any FontName keys of this form in my > > pdf file when I use true type fonts; the FontName key seems > > to just be the name of the complete font. > > I am wondering if this is the cause of my my problem (see > > the "gsview and acroread" messages) where acroread seems to > > look for an installed version of a font instead of the > > reencoded version I have tried to use in my pdf file. > > > > Incidentally, I have found that if I use the ttf versions of > > the cm fonts I have a similar problem. If those ttf files are > > installed in my \windows\fonts directory then acroread won't > > display the ligatures in my pdf files, but if I remove the > > ttf files from \windows\fonts then its OK. > > ah, I didn't notice that now TT fonts can have a FontName of the form > /pseudoUniqueTag+Name. In PDFspec-1.1 and the draft version of PDFspec-1.2, only > Type1 fonts can have FontName in this form. I hope this can help to force > AcroReader use embeded fonts instead of installed ones if possible. seems that it works, so I'll add it to pdftex-0.12i Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 9 16:04:52 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18477 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24548 for pdftex-list; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:00:55 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24545 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:00:53 -0400 Received: from gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@h08.ts1.uni-hannover.de [130.75.249.8]) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29777; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:00:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from te@localhost) by gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA21891; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:27:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:27:20 +0200 From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199804092127.XAA21891@gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: Olaf Weber , pdftex@tug.org Subject: (fwd) pdftex.man bugreport Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I hereby forward this bugreport to you. I don't know who maintains pdftex.man. Thomas --- >From martin@uni-mainz.de Tue Mar 31 17:48:03 1998 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:48:03 +0200 (MESZ) From: Christoph Martin To: te@informatik.uni-hannover.de Subject: [Karl M. Hegbloom: Bug#20478: tetex-bin: typo in pdftex man page] Cc: Christoph.Martin@uni-mainz.de, 20478-forwarded@bugs.debian.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - --kBYOvKlR9S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In pdftex.man the definition of the MF macro is missing. Christoph - --kBYOvKlR9S Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from submailer.bugs.debian.org (iwj@debian.novare.net [205.229.104.5]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23471 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:21:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by submailer.bugs.debian.org id m0yK1Ob-001s9IC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.35); Tue, 31 Mar 98 07:48 CST Reply-To: "Karl M. Hegbloom" , 20478@bugs.debian.org Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-CC: Christoph Martin Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj@debian.org X-Debian-PR-Message: report 20478 X-Debian-PR-Package: tetex-bin X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org Received: via spool by bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B.89135182415864 (code B ref -1); Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:48:05 GMT Message-Id: <199803311343.FAA25381@bittersweet.inetarena.com> X-Mailer: bug 3.1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:43:40 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:48:05 GMT From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" Resent-From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" To: submit@bugs.debian.org Subject: Bug#20478: tetex-bin: typo in pdftex man page Package: tetex-bin Version: 0.9-3 `man pdftex', in the "ENVIRONMENT" section, states: "Other programs, such as , do not have this problem." What other programs? - -- System Information Debian Release: 2.0 (unstable) Kernel Version: Linux bittersweet 2.0.33 #12 Wed Feb 18 15:52:33 PST 1998 i586 unknown Versions of the packages tetex-bin depends on: libc6 Version: 2.0.6-3 libpng0g Version: 0.96-5 xlib6g Version: 3.3.1-2 zlib1g Version: 1:1.0.4-7.1 tetex-base Version: 0.9-4 ed Version: 0.2-15 dpkg-perl Version: 0.1-2 - --kBYOvKlR9S-- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3in Charset: noconv Comment: type 'finger -l martin@mail.uni-mainz.de' to get PGP public key iQEVAwUBNSEQO24/9k35XC9tAQEdQQf/QhWaTOqPhCcsEB4dyRsf6a4AmReCteEV nUkqNV6pqUMZLmDLeFfc/P8TPLRuuEh/JdtVyEmcw7ksO94pgj4uzVLBzTr3RyOP HBqI4zMvbD1UXv3S2l8Aj6iG9QCYqjyWuRsY0HD5r+GxbRNqJyS/RgJGMFG5jpA7 XrVR+l29I+sUJWXN6pTNwQUfFp0UioZR0Mkp2YQrpUzRdPrtg8b9fjV/xWtWYyB4 AA5vy4XrokwnRbLXNlW1vkqWWuKekZ8bMOH4LpZVtuWPb8s+BxqlRFLkxcxASx2t xtZfrldrC2dDvycfL35CFnunE/f+9fjupFaR9lKiyGOPkUmmE+4qsA== =iWLc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 10 09:05:01 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00500 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28669 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:59:47 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28666 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:59:45 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07178 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:00:15 -0500 Message-ID: <352E33AE.EF1CA1D9@iws-irms.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:58:54 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: Documentation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, sorry if this is a silly question. I've been using PDFTEX for a month or so, first with MikTeX, now with web2c (pdftex 0.12h i think), both under Win NT 4.0. The only documentation i've found are a couple of example files. Those are great, but i haven't figured out how to create hypertext links, for example. Is there an official FAQ or official documentation for PDFTEX? If not, could anyone kindly explain to me with a simple example how to create hyperlinks? I thought i would get them automatically when i used LaTeX, but it didn't happen. Glauber -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 10 11:43:38 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06777 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29275 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:38:20 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29272 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:38:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id NAA07750; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:37:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: Glauber Ribeiro cc: pdftex Subject: Re: Documentation? In-Reply-To: <352E33AE.EF1CA1D9@iws-irms.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Glauber Ribeiro wrote: > ... i haven't figured out how to create hypertext links... > I thought i would get them automatically when i used LaTeX, > but it didn't happen. It should happen automatically if you \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University, NC From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 10 13:43:48 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11129 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29738 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:40:40 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29735 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:40:38 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12388; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:40:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28951; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:40:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804101940.VAA28951@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12i To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:40:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: eliz@is.elta.co.il (Eli Zaretskii) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, pdftex-0.12i is available at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12i some bugs with T1 font handling are fixed. Adding prefix for TrueType font subsets. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 10 15:13:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14381 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA30075 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:08:40 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA30072; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:08:38 -0400 Received: from gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@h33.ts1.uni-hannover.de [130.75.249.33]) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02694; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:08:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from te@localhost) by gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA04199; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:09:54 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:09:54 +0200 From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199804102109.XAA04199@gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de> To: Olaf Weber Subject: system zlib/pnglib Cc: pdftex@tug.org, pete@riese.thi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de, teTeX pretest list , tex-k@tug.org Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Olaf, the following patch fixes all problems with using the system's libz/libpng. I had to change e.g. $(pnglib): $(pnglib_sources) to pdftexdir/libpng/libpng.a: $(pnglib_sources) because $(pnglib) might become -lpng and -lpng should not depend on the pnglib sources. $(pdflib) does not really change, but I felt like doing the change consistently :-) Since these files web2c/pdftexdir/Makefile.in web2c/pdftexdir/libpng/Makefile.in web2c/pdftexdir/writepng.c web2c/pdftexdir/writezip.c >From pdftex are affected, I send this fix also to the pdftex list. Note that due to the change in web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/configure.in, web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/configure has to be recreated. Thomas diff -rc web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/Makefile.in web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/Makefile.in *** web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/Makefile.in Mon Mar 16 18:59:08 1998 --- web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/Makefile.in Fri Apr 10 21:56:24 1998 *************** *** 342,354 **** $(windowlib): mfd.h $(window_sources) cd window && $(MAKE) $(window_makeargs) pdflib_sources = $(srcdir)/pdftexdir/*.c ! $(pdflib): $(pdflib_sources) cd pdftexdir && $(MAKE) $(common_makeargs) libpdf.a pnglib_sources = $(srcdir)/pdftexdir/libpng/*.c ! $(pnglib): $(pnglib_sources) cd pdftexdir/libpng && $(MAKE) $(common_makeargs) libpng.a zlib_sources = $(srcdir)/pdftexdir/zlib/*.c ! $(zlib): $(zlib_sources) cd pdftexdir/zlib && $(MAKE) $(common_makeargs) libz.a # The web2c program consists of several executables. --- 342,354 ---- $(windowlib): mfd.h $(window_sources) cd window && $(MAKE) $(window_makeargs) pdflib_sources = $(srcdir)/pdftexdir/*.c ! pdftexdir/libpdf.a: $(pdflib_sources) cd pdftexdir && $(MAKE) $(common_makeargs) libpdf.a pnglib_sources = $(srcdir)/pdftexdir/libpng/*.c ! pdftexdir/libpng/libpng.a: $(pnglib_sources) cd pdftexdir/libpng && $(MAKE) $(common_makeargs) libpng.a zlib_sources = $(srcdir)/pdftexdir/zlib/*.c ! pdftexdir/zlib/libz.a: $(zlib_sources) cd pdftexdir/zlib && $(MAKE) $(common_makeargs) libz.a # The web2c program consists of several executables. diff -rc web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/configure.in web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/configure.in *** web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/configure.in Fri Mar 13 07:53:03 1998 --- web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/configure.in Fri Apr 10 21:51:11 1998 *************** *** 179,184 **** --- 179,185 ---- if test "$with_system_pnglib" = no; then pnglib=pdftexdir/libpng/libpng.a pdftexlibsdep="$pnglib $pdftexlibsdep" + pnglibinc='-I$(srcdir)/libpng -I$(srcdir)/../libpng' fi # We always create all the makefiles. *************** *** 190,195 **** --- 191,197 ---- AC_SUBST(zlib) AC_SUBST(pdftexlibsdep) AC_SUBST(zlibinc) + AC_SUBST(pnglibinc) dnl Create tests subdirectory. test -d tests || mkdir tests diff -rc web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/Makefile.in web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/Makefile.in *** web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/Makefile.in Tue Mar 24 19:50:52 1998 --- web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/Makefile.in Fri Apr 10 21:49:33 1998 *************** *** 3,9 **** ac_include ../make/common.make ac_include ../make/programs.make ! XCPPFLAGS=-I$(srcdir)/.. @zlibinc@ RANLIB=@RANLIB@ --- 3,9 ---- ac_include ../make/common.make ac_include ../make/programs.make ! XCPPFLAGS=-I$(srcdir)/.. @zlibinc@ @pnglibinc@ RANLIB=@RANLIB@ diff -rc web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/libpng/Makefile.in web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/libpng/Makefile.in *** web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/libpng/Makefile.in Wed Jan 21 17:14:31 1998 --- web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/libpng/Makefile.in Fri Apr 10 21:51:04 1998 *************** *** 6,12 **** ac_include ../make/common.make ac_include ../make/programs.make ! LOADLIBS=-L. -L../zlib/ -lpng -lz -lm RANLIB=@RANLIB@ AR=ar XDEFS=@zlibinc@ -I../.. --- 6,12 ---- ac_include ../make/common.make ac_include ../make/programs.make ! LOADLIBS=-L. -L../zlib -lpng -lz -lm RANLIB=@RANLIB@ AR=ar XDEFS=@zlibinc@ -I../.. diff -rc web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writepng.c web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writepng.c *** web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writepng.c Sun Mar 22 21:32:14 1998 --- web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writepng.c Fri Apr 10 21:49:43 1998 *************** *** 1,5 **** #include "libpdftex.h" ! #include "libpng/png.h" #define PNG_PTR(N) ((N + image_tab)->png_ptr) #define INFO_PTR(N) ((N + image_tab)->info_ptr) --- 1,5 ---- #include "libpdftex.h" ! #include "png.h" #define PNG_PTR(N) ((N + image_tab)->png_ptr) #define INFO_PTR(N) ((N + image_tab)->info_ptr) diff -rc web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writezip.c web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writezip.c *** web2c-7.2.ok/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writezip.c Thu Jan 15 21:22:07 1998 --- web2c-7.2/texk/web2c/pdftexdir/writezip.c Fri Apr 10 21:49:57 1998 *************** *** 1,5 **** #include "libpdftex.h" ! #include "zlib/zlib.h" #define ZIP_BUF_SIZE 32768 --- 1,5 ---- #include "libpdftex.h" ! #include "zlib.h" #define ZIP_BUF_SIZE 32768 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 10 16:44:02 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17642 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA30421 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:42:00 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA30418 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:41:58 -0400 Received: from HAL9000.ese-metz.fr (ppp1.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.221]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA16674 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:41:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:41:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804102241.AAA16674@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> From: Fabrice POPINEAU To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex-0.12i win32 Reply-to: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Available at the usual url : ftp://ftp.ese-metz.fr/pub/TeX/win32-beta/pdftex-0.12i-win32.zip Warning: no support files at all, only binaries. Fabrice Popineau From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 10 20:02:07 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21733 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA31129 for pdftex-list; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:00:00 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA31126 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:59:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (cvr@localhost) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA31155; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:37:00 +0530 (IST) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:37:00 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Glauber Ribeiro cc: pdftex Subject: Re: Documentation? In-Reply-To: <352E33AE.EF1CA1D9@iws-irms.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Glauber Ribeiro wrote: > Hello, > > sorry if this is a silly question. I've been using PDFTEX for a month or > so, first with MikTeX, now with web2c (pdftex 0.12h i think), both under > Win NT 4.0. The only documentation i've found are a couple of example > files. Those are great, but i haven't figured out how to create > hypertext links, for example. Is there an official FAQ or official > documentation for PDFTEX? If not, could anyone kindly explain to me with > a simple example how to create hyperlinks? why dont you use hyperref.sty by sebastian rahtz, which is available in CTAN? hyperref will redefine all your labels and refs into hyperlinks and you would get outlines too. you can create links to external documents and urls too. the macro package would be having documentation too on how to use it. or else, you can download the first issue of tugindia journal (journal of indian tex users group) which is available at CTAN (../usergrps/tugindia/tugind11.pdf) where you will find an article written by Sebastian Rahtz on hyperref package, which would give you fairly good idea of how to achieve these functionality to your documents. radhakrishnan river@earthling.net River Valley Technologies Trivandrum, India From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 11 03:46:24 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA29221 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 03:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00109 for pdftex-list; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:44:31 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00106 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:44:30 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:44:30 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd13-240.par.compuserve.com [195.232.77.240]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id FAA02575 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA06713 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:36:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:36:46 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD653E.1BF6D1A0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: Support voor \emline Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:36:44 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hai All, First pdflatex is quite phantastic, especially if you use the hyperref package, thanks for the job! I've struggeld for weeks to get latex2html to work, but it could well be that pdflatex is better suited for online documents. Anyway, I frequently use the \emline macro, this \special was invented by the author of emtex, a dos based package, to draw straight lines from x1,y1 to x2,y2 so you don't have to use slopes. It is quite well supported (by dvips and dviwin for example), however pdflatex doesn't recognize it. I've the feeling that it is quite easy to support it, so if anyone could give me a hint I'll try some things. An \emline looks like this: \put(174.00,80.00){\emline{0}{0}{3}{120}{-40}{4}} First you put your pen somewhere. The first two arguments of \emline are ignored. The 3rd and 6th argument are unique ascending numbers used internally but can be ignored. The 4th and 5th argument give the endpoint. I probably have to create some output to .pdf like "x y l". Is this correct and how could I do this? OK the files. Test.tex is the main file. --------------test.tex-------------- \documentclass{article} \usepackage{emlines2} \begin{document} This comes before. \begin{figure}[htb] \include{sorg} \caption{Test figure} \end{figure} And this after. \end{document} --------------test.tex-------------- And sorg.tex looks like this: ------------sorg.tex-------------- \unitlength 0.30mm \special{em:linewidth 0.4pt} \linethickness{0.4pt} \begin{picture}(340.00,200.00)(10.00,0.00) \put(130.00,80.00){\framebox(90.00,40.00)[cc]{\parbox{27mm}{\centering \sf organisatie}}} \put(10.00,0.00){\framebox(90.00,40.00)[cc]{\parbox{27mm}{\centering \sf object}}} \put(10.00,80.00){\framebox(90.00,40.00)[cc]{\parbox{27mm}{\centering \sf branche}}} \put(10.00,160.00){\framebox(90.00,40.00)[cc]{\parbox{27mm}{\centering \sf organisatie branche}}} \put(130.00,0.00){\framebox(90.00,40.00)[cc]{\parbox{27mm}{\centering \sf rechtsvorm}}} \put(250.00,0.00){\framebox(90.00,40.00)[cc]{\parbox{27mm}{\centering \sf taal}}} \put(130.00,80.00){\emline{0}{0}{1}{-32}{-40}{2}} \put(54.00,160.00){\line(0,-1){40}} \put(174.00,80.00){\line(0,-1){40}} \put(174.00,80.00){\emline{0}{0}{3}{120}{-40}{4}} \put(54.00,160.00){\emline{0}{0}{5}{120}{-40}{6}} \end{picture} ------------sorg.tex-------------- Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 11 12:17:37 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06362 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01860 for pdftex-list; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:12:28 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01857 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:12:26 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04307 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:12:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12663 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:12:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804111812.UAA12663@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:12:22 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I don't think the discussed topic is a problem of pdftex. In my opinion, if we cannot do the checking well enough, it would be better not to do it at all and let the control to macro writers. And I doubt the checking can be done well. For example "()/foo()" should be treated as a single string "(\)/foo\()" or two empty strings and a name? I think trying to be clever at handling such cases can make the situation more confused only. Such a problem (characters that need escape, such as '\', '(' and ')') can appear at: - attributes of annotation - user-defined action, including URL - file name - page action - name of destination - pdfliteral contents - pdfobj contents - pdfannot contents - pdfoutline title - pdfinfo, pdfcatalog And this list may get larger, as we don't know what may be new in next version of PDF spec. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 12 07:24:12 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22454 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 07:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05873 for pdftex-list; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:20:56 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05870 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:20:52 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-11-20.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.20]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA22236 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:20:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3530BFC8.3EBFB67F@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:21:12 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: acroread and gsview Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have continued to experiment with true-type fonts, using now pdftex-0.12i, and it seems to me that acroread just doesn't work the way it is supposed to. Using various ttf files I happened to have on my system, I used ttf2afm and afm2tfm and vptovf to make virtual fonts, using some (possibly silly) encoding file I concocted, and then made pdf files featuring font tables and sample text (using testfont.tex that came with emtex). Under Windows95, when viewed with gsview they look right, while viewed with acroread they look wrong. If the truetype font in question is not "installed" as a Windows font then acroread seems to do OK for characters 0 to 127 of the font (so the cm fonts are OK), but seems to to do bizarre things for the rest of the font. If the font is installed it does even worse. (Unfortunately, including the pseudoUniqueTag as part of the font name doesn't seem to have prevented acroread from looking for the installed version of the font.) I guess I shall just have to hope that Adobe makes a new version of acroread soon. I have posted two examples of the behaviour I am describing: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/linstest.pdf (for the font Linus Plain) and http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~rhowlett/ariltest.pdf (for Arial Narrow). Bob Howlett (PS To make things work correctly when using the ttf version of cmr10 it seems to be necessary to change /macron to /overscore in cmtext.enc) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 12 08:05:54 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22969 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06038 for pdftex-list; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:03:27 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06035 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:03:21 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-11-20.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.20]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA12298 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:03:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3530C9C7.1EBCAFD@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:03:51 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: cmr10.ttf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk When I did a font table + sample text for cmr10 using the ttf version I found I got endash's where I should've got emdash's and vice versa! It looks like the glyphs are just incorrectly named. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 12 08:28:16 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23258 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06108 for pdftex-list; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:22:40 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06105 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:22:28 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-11-20.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.20]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA27541 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:22:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3530CE40.F08B85E4@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:22:56 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: cmr10.ttf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I said > When I did a font table + sample text for cmr10 using the ttf > version I found I got endash's where I should've got emdash's > and vice versa! It looks like the glyphs are just incorrectly > named. They do come out the wrong way round, but I retract my diagnosis of the problem. I have no idea what's wrong. (Viewed with acroread under windows the endash and emdash get swapped depending on whether or not cmr10 is installed -- but if it is installed other things don't work.) From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 12 09:16:18 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23855 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06287 for pdftex-list; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:13:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06284 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:13:09 -0400 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with SMTP id JAA11430; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:13:07 -0600 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00153; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:08:44 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:08:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199804121508.JAA00153@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <199804111812.UAA12663@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199804111812.UAA12663@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk In <199804111812.UAA12663@anxur.fi.muni.cz> dated 20:12:22 +0200 Sat April 11, 1998, Han The Thanh writes > Hi all, > > I don't think the discussed topic is a problem of pdftex. In my opinion, if we > cannot do the checking well enough, it would be better not to do it at all and > let the control to macro writers. And I doubt the checking can be done well. > For example "()/foo()" should be treated as a single string "(\)/foo\()" or two > empty strings and a name? I think trying to be clever at handling such cases > can make the situation more confused only. For strings you cannot do it. But, not all pdftex syntax uses strings. For example, you are absolutely right that as the format for an external url link is /URL (name), the name must be quoted. However, pdftex at a number of places uses a different syntax: e.g. file {name}. In these cases, it should be pdftex's responsibility to quote the string. > > Such a problem (characters that need escape, such as '\', '(' > and ')') can appear at: > > - attributes of annotation > - user-defined action, including URL > - file name > - page action > - name of destination > - pdfliteral contents > - pdfobj contents > - pdfannot contents > - pdfoutline title > - pdfinfo, pdfcatalog > > And this list may get larger, as we don't know what may be new in next version > of PDF spec. Whenever pdftex provides a syntax for it, it should also take care to quote the provided string. If pdftex does not provide a specfic syntax, or provides a syntax that involves a parenthesis delimited string, it should leave the quoting to the macro writers. All IMHO, Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 13 08:29:10 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06694 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11214 for pdftex-list; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:21:51 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11211 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:21:49 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30475 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: <35321F43.5A93195B@iws-irms.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:20:51 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Reply-To: glauber@iws-irms.com Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref again References: <199804102241.AAA16674@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk (out of topic, so followups are redirected to me) Hello, Thank you for all the help with hyperref, i got it and it does exactly what i wanted. Now, i wasn't able to preview or print the dvi documentation which came with hyperref. I tried to regenereate with pdflatex, and still got nowhere (i think i may be missing fonts). Is there a kind soul out there who has the hyperref documentation in pdf or PostScript format? Thank you again, Glauber -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 14 02:35:24 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01111 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA15188 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:30:43 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15185 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:30:41 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl38.pi.net [145.220.204.38]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA28744; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:30:23 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:30:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <353311FD.7875@pi.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:36:29 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Berend de Boer CC: pdftex@tug.org, pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: Support voor \emline References: <01BD653E.1BF6D1A0.berend@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Berend de Boer wrote: > It is quite well supported (by dvips and dviwin for example), however > pdflatex doesn't recognize it. I've the feeling that it is quite easy to > support it, so if anyone could give me a hint I'll try some things. I wrote a (generic) module that handles tpic specials, so handling those em things should not be that hard too. I depends on what the driver is supposed to do. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 14 03:18:42 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02027 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA15430 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:15:51 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15427 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:15:47 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00782 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:15:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id LAA05791; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:18:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:18:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804140918.LAA05791@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: possible URL names X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, Hans asked if (.pdf was a valid file name, anyway here is an actual URL: http://hdl.handle.net/10.1006/0022-2836(19970411)267:4<765:FPOATR>2.3.CO;2-5 (this has to do with DOIs) [however, it's true that the () & <> are balanced] Th. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 14 07:48:28 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07594 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16702 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:42:19 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16699 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:42:11 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14615 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:42:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA14492; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:45:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:45:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804141345.PAA14492@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: advice sought on image inclusions X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, we're considering to publish on the web (for paper subscribers) our maths journal. I'm putting a sample paper produced with pdftex in ftp://fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/pub/contrib-tex/pdftex/Zhou-*.pdf As you can see on page 8, commutative diagrams are often produced with AI 88 using CM fonts. As we're only talking of a facility for people already having their paper copy, is image quality (resolution) important? Here i made the PNG at 288 dpi (the idea was to be a multiple of screen resolution, and not too far from some usual printer resolution, but the result is poor! and also PDF inclusion with gs+supp-pdf(+graphicx.tex:-). My feeling is that both are bad on screen at a typical zooming level, PNG is too thin although PDF is too heavy (??). What would you advize? Thanks, Th. B. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 14 07:58:19 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07866 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16751 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:55:38 -0400 Received: from cnri.reston.va.us (ns.CNRI.Reston.VA.US [132.151.1.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16748 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:55:37 -0400 Received: from weyr.cnri.reston.va.us (weyr [132.151.1.23]) by cnri.reston.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id JAA07241 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by weyr.cnri.reston.va.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04284; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:55:33 -0400 From: "Fred L. Drake" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:55:33 -0400 (EDT) To: pdfTeX List Subject: Non-working \pdfoutline, 0.12f (Web2C 7.2) (teTeX 980318) X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13619.26249.198912.323637@weyr.cnri.reston.va.us> Reply-To: "Fred L. Drake, Jr." X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have been maintaining a set of documents written in LaTeX, and have started using pdftex to generate PDF files. I am using version 0.12f (Web2C 7.2), as packaged with teTeX 0.9 980318. To get the outline, I'm using some code scarfed from hyperref to get a name on each page of the main document: \def\@begindvi{% \unvbox \@begindvibox \@hyperfixhead } \def\@hyperfixhead{% \let\H@old@thehead\@thehead \gdef\@foo{\if@doing@page@targets\pdfdest name{page.\thepage} fit\fi}% \expandafter\ifx\expandafter\@empty\H@old@thehead \def\H@old@thehead{\hfil}\fi \def\@thehead{\@foo\relax\H@old@thehead}% } (\if@doing@page@targets is true after the table of contents is done.) After processing the document with pdflatex, I use a script to convert the .toc file to a file that looks like this: \pdfoutline goto name{page.1} count -4 {1 Introduction} \pdfoutline goto name{page.1} {1.1 Include Files} \pdfoutline goto name{page.1} count -2 {1.2 Objects, Types and Reference Counts} ... \pdfoutline goto name{page.43} {9 Defining New Object Types} \pdfoutline goto name{page.45} {10 Debugging} \pdfoutline goto name{page.47} {Index} This file gets loaded using: \AtEndDocument{ \InputIfFileExists{\jobname.bkm}{\pdfcatalog{/PageMode /UseOutlines}}{} } So after running pdflatex again, I get a nice outline with my PDF. The catch is that not all the links work. They don't go to the wrong, they just don't "go" at all when I click on them. I am checking this with acroread on NT and Solaris. Opening the PDF in Exchange, I can edit the outline so the right pages are shown, but I'd like to avoid that since the rest of the formatting process is automated. Can anyone suggest an approach to further debugging the problem? The source and PDF for the documents are available at http://www.python.org/doc/, but the formatting process is fairly extensive and requires a Python interpreter to be available, so I don't expect anyone to actually try and figure it out for me. Pointers on what I should try are very welcome! (But please don't just say "use hyperref"; that breaks for these documents for what appears to be a variet of other reasons, which I haven't had time to explore.) Thanks! -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fdrake@cnri.reston.va.us Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive Reston, VA 20191 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 14 12:03:03 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17942 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17742 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:51:30 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17739 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:51:24 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27068 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:51:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id TAA21332; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:54:49 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:54:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804141754.TAA21332@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?TTF=A0torture?= test X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/Madness.pdf after a few seconds spare time... going back to work From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 14 14:01:16 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22398 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18322 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:58:51 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18317 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:58:49 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:58:47 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd01-047.par.compuserve.com [195.232.65.47]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id PAA01913; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA02039; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:55:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:55:48 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD67F0.15923FC0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Jiri Osoba'" Cc: "'pdftex@tug.org'" Subject: RE: Support voor \emline Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:55:47 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, April 14, 1998 7:48 AM, Jiri Osoba [SMTP:osoba@vyvoj.jablotron.cz] wrote: > > Anyway, I frequently use the \emline macro, this \special was invented by > > the author of emtex, a dos based package, to draw straight lines from x1,y1 > > to x2,y2 so you don't have to use slopes. > > > > An \emline looks like this: > > > > \put(174.00,80.00){\emline{0}{0}{3}{120}{-40}{4}} > > > \pdfliteral{q 1 w 1 j 1 J 0 0 m 10 10 l S Q} > > makes line 1bp (1 w) width line with circled-ends from actual > position (0 0 m) to point +10bp +10bp up-right. The problem is the actual position. How does this relate to the generated .pdf file? My first stab was like: \let\orgput\put \long\gdef\put(#1,#2)#3{\gdef\saveX{#1 }\gdef\saveY{#2 }\orgput(#1,#2){#3}} \def\emline#1#2#3#4#5#6{\pdfliteral{\saveX \saveY m #4 #5 l S}} However, the line is drawn somewhere on the picture. Does anyone know how to handle the translation of the coordinates to the picture coordinates? I see the 'cm' command which seems to handle such translations. How can I use it? Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 14 14:01:20 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22402 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18323 for pdftex-list; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:58:51 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18316 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:58:49 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:58:46 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd01-047.par.compuserve.com [195.232.65.47]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id PAA01897; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA02022; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:42:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:42:34 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD67EE.3C42F3A0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Hans Hagen'" Cc: "pdftex@tug.org" , "pragma@pi.net" Subject: RE: Support voor \emline Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:42:32 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, April 14, 1998 9:36 AM, Hans Hagen [SMTP:pragma@pi.net] wrote: > > It is quite well supported (by dvips and dviwin for example), however > > pdflatex doesn't recognize it. I've the feeling that it is quite easy to > > support it, so if anyone could give me a hint I'll try some things. > > I wrote a (generic) module that handles tpic specials, so handling those em things should not be > that hard too. I depends on what the driver is supposed to do. It's implemented as: \def\emline#1#2#3#4#5#6{% \put(#1,#2){\special{em:moveto}}% \put(#4,#5){\special{em:lineto}}} You can always ignore the moveto special as the \put command already has set the first point. Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 02:47:21 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04441 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 02:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA21299 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:38:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA21296 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:38:57 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl45.pi.net [145.220.204.45]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA06795; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:38:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3534710F.48A8@pi.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:34:23 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Berend de Boer CC: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: Re: Support voor \emline References: <01BD67EE.3C42F3A0.berend@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Berend de Boer wrote: > \def\emline#1#2#3#4#5#6{% > \put(#1,#2){\special{em:moveto}}% > \put(#4,#5){\special{em:lineto}}} Ok, now I remember, the emtex specials need access to the (last) current position, and as far as I know this position is not available in pdf. You need as much as: "ok pdfviewer, keep this position in mind" (moveto) and (quite) some time later: "well pdfviewer, draw a line from here to the position you kept in mind" (lineto) And that is not available in PDF. In PS the em:moveto is translated in storing the position in variables, and the lineto connects the current point to this stored point. Keep in mind that PDF is mainly objects being drawn and there is not something like variables (or other programming constructs). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 03:35:17 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05476 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA21493 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:24:55 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21490 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:24:52 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10234; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:24:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27908; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:24:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804150924.LAA27908@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Non-working \pdfoutline, 0.12f (Web2C 7.2) (teTeX 980318) In-Reply-To: <13619.26249.198912.323637@weyr.cnri.reston.va.us> from "Fred L. Drake" at "Apr 14, 98 09:55:33 am" To: fdrake@acm.org Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:24:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I have been maintaining a set of documents written in LaTeX, and > have started using pdftex to generate PDF files. I am using version > 0.12f (Web2C 7.2), as packaged with teTeX 0.9 980318. > To get the outline, I'm using some code scarfed from hyperref to get > a name on each page of the main document: > > \def\@begindvi{% > \unvbox \@begindvibox > \@hyperfixhead > } > \def\@hyperfixhead{% > \let\H@old@thehead\@thehead > \gdef\@foo{\if@doing@page@targets\pdfdest name{page.\thepage} fit\fi}% > \expandafter\ifx\expandafter\@empty\H@old@thehead > \def\H@old@thehead{\hfil}\fi > \def\@thehead{\@foo\relax\H@old@thehead}% > } > > (\if@doing@page@targets is true after the table of contents is > done.) > After processing the document with pdflatex, I use a script to > convert the .toc file to a file that looks like this: > > \pdfoutline goto name{page.1} count -4 {1 Introduction} > \pdfoutline goto name{page.1} {1.1 Include Files} > \pdfoutline goto name{page.1} count -2 {1.2 Objects, Types and Reference Counts} > ... > \pdfoutline goto name{page.43} {9 Defining New Object Types} > \pdfoutline goto name{page.45} {10 Debugging} > \pdfoutline goto name{page.47} {Index} > > This file gets loaded using: > > \AtEndDocument{ > \InputIfFileExists{\jobname.bkm}{\pdfcatalog{/PageMode /UseOutlines}}{} > } > > So after running pdflatex again, I get a nice outline with my PDF. > The catch is that not all the links work. They don't go to the wrong, > they just don't "go" at all when I click on them. I am checking this > with acroread on NT and Solaris. > Opening the PDF in Exchange, I can edit the outline so the right > pages are shown, but I'd like to avoid that since the rest of the > formatting process is automated. > Can anyone suggest an approach to further debugging the problem? > The source and PDF for the documents are available at > http://www.python.org/doc/, but the formatting process is fairly > extensive and requires a Python interpreter to be available, so I > don't expect anyone to actually try and figure it out for me. > Pointers on what I should try are very welcome! (But please don't > just say "use hyperref"; that breaks for these documents for what > appears to be a variet of other reasons, which I haven't had time to > explore.) I've looked at the PDF file. The outlines seem to be ok, I think this is a bug of AcroReader which has been known for a long time: when some named destinations are prefix of others then some of them don't work. Here is the copy of a mail I sent to Hans Hagen considering the same problem: it seems to me that bug is caused by AcroReader, not by pdftex. I've looked into the demo-1.pdf file again, and find out that destinations are ok, but AcroReader cannot handle them properly. If you don't believe that :-), just try to check some destinations that don't work yourself. It's a known problem whic happens when some destination names have the same prefix. Another way to check is use another PDF brower (not GhostScript, as it cannot handle link). I've tried xpdf, but it's not available for Win95/NT. And a mail replied to the question why the same names work when using distiller: ah, I can see the difference: pdftex builds a balanced name tree following the spec, while distiller simply creates a "flat" mapping (only a table containing (name,objnum) entries). Building such a tree is of course more difficult, but I centainrly suppose that it makes the PDF output more effective. Sigh, I don't know whether it was a mistake to believe the spec so much :-( The solution is creating names so they don't have same prefix. I had used padding named destinations with zero, but a much better solution suggested by Ricardo is to append a special character ("@") after each name. Another solution is forcing pdftex to create "flat tree" as distiller does; I'm thinking of doing it in next release, as it reduces the PDF output size as well. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 04:05:46 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06036 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA21619 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:57:46 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21616 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:57:45 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA23637; hop 0; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:53:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:57:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:30:20 +0100 Message-ID: <7992-Wed15Apr1998103020+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: PGML (Precision Graphics Markup Language) In-Reply-To: <199804140647.IAA00734@olorin.elsevier.nl> References: <199804140647.IAA00734@olorin.elsevier.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk This may be of interest to some of you, a proposal to express PS/PDF functionality in XML sebastian http://www.w3.org/Submission/1998/06/ Abstract This document provides the specification for Precision Graphics Markup Language (PGML). PGML is a 2D imaging model of the PostScript language and the Portable Document Format (PDF), a model that has proven over years to satisfy the needs from both the simplest, lightweight graphics to the most complex and demanding and that has proven suitable for both online viewing and printing. PGML satisfies the needs of both the low-end graphics user who just needs to define a simple bar chart and the high-end graphic artist who wants precision control over fonts, layout, color and compositing to ensure graphics integrity of the image as seen by the end user. In many cases, a scalable graphics format has several intrinsic advantages over a raster format, including smaller file sizes and resolution-independent viewing and printing. Moreover, because PGML fully integrates with current and emerging W3C standards, PGML yields additional benefits including support for processable text, dynamic behaviors, scripting, and document interchange. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 04:10:11 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06117 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21659 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:05:08 -0400 Received: from nag.co.uk (andover.nag.co.uk [192.156.217.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21653 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:04:58 -0400 Received: (from davidc@localhost) by nag.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02005; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:09:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:09:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199804151009.LAA02005@nag.co.uk> From: David Carlisle To: pdftex@tug.org CC: berend@pobox.com In-reply-to: <3534710F.48A8@pi.net> (message from Hans Hagen on Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:34:23 +0200) Subject: Re: Support voor \emline References: <01BD67EE.3C42F3A0.berend@pobox.com> <3534710F.48A8@pi.net> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Ok, now I remember, the emtex specials need access to the (last) current position, and as > far as I know this position is not available in pdf. but it would still perhaps be useful to be able to support the most common usage of these files which is by emlines(2).sty Judging by the snippet posted here > \def\emline#1#2#3#4#5#6{% > \put(#1,#2){\special{em:moveto}}% > \put(#4,#5){\special{em:lineto}}} that is just drawing a line from #1,#2 to #4,#5 in a coordinate space known to TeX at the time. ie if \defaultunits is 2pt then \emline123456 would seem to need to draw a line from 2pt,4pt to 8pt,10pt relative to the current position. It would appear that this would be easy enough to do in pdf. I don't have emlines here and just looked on ctan and it isn't there either. (It will be inside one of the emtex zip files but I'm not fetching those:-) So I am not sure what other features the style uses. David From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 05:18:58 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07712 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21989 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:15:55 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21986 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:15:52 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl46.pi.net [145.220.204.46]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA28071; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:15:33 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:15:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <353492F4.3A53@pi.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:59:00 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Carlisle CC: pdftex@tug.org, berend@pobox.com Subject: Re: Support voor \emline References: <01BD67EE.3C42F3A0.berend@pobox.com> <3534710F.48A8@pi.net> <199804151009.LAA02005@nag.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk David Carlisle wrote: > Judging by the snippet posted here > > > \def\emline#1#2#3#4#5#6{% > > \put(#1,#2){\special{em:moveto}}% > > \put(#4,#5){\special{em:lineto}}} > > that is just drawing a line from #1,#2 to #4,#5 in a coordinate space > known to TeX at the time. ie if \defaultunits is 2pt then Got it, so you need a substitute for the whole macro. > would seem to need to draw a line from 2pt,4pt to 8pt,10pt relative to > the current position. It would appear that this would be easy enough to > do in pdf. I don't have emlines here and just looked on ctan and it Indeed. > isn't there either. (It will be inside one of the emtex zip files but > I'm not fetching those:-) So I am not sure what other features the style > uses. Let's Berend investugate that ... Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 05:21:31 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07766 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21984 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:15:44 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21981 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:15:43 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl46.pi.net [145.220.204.46]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA28083; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:15:36 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:15:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35349394.4E36@pi.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:01:40 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org, Han The Thanh CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: Non-working \pdfoutline, 0.12f (Web2C 7.2) (teTeX 980318) References: <199804150924.LAA27908@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > The solution is creating names so they don't have same prefix. I had used > padding named destinations with zero, but a much better solution suggested by > Ricardo is to append a special character ("@") after each name. Another solution > is forcing pdftex to create "flat tree" as distiller does; I'm thinking of doing > it in next release, as it reduces the PDF output size as well. Makes flatening it an option in the config file. One never knows. Beware, not all characters work. ':' does *not* work, the '.' is not robust either, but the single quote does. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 06:35:55 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09319 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22333 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:31:25 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22328 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:31:20 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28943; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:31:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09907; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:30:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804151230.OAA09907@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 In-Reply-To: <199804121508.JAA00153@qcd.lanl.gov> from Tanmoy Bhattacharya at "Apr 12, 98 09:08:44 am" To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov (Tanmoy Bhattacharya) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:30:40 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I don't think the discussed topic is a problem of pdftex. In my opinion, if we > > cannot do the checking well enough, it would be better not to do it at all and > > let the control to macro writers. And I doubt the checking can be done well. > > For example "()/foo()" should be treated as a single string "(\)/foo\()" or two > > empty strings and a name? I think trying to be clever at handling such cases > > can make the situation more confused only. > > For strings you cannot do it. But, not all pdftex syntax uses > strings. For example, you are absolutely right that as the format for > an external url link is /URL (name), the name must be quoted. > > However, pdftex at a number of places uses a different syntax: > e.g. file {name}. In these cases, it should be pdftex's responsibility > to quote the string. > > > > > Such a problem (characters that need escape, such as '\', '(' > > and ')') can appear at: > > > > - attributes of annotation > > - user-defined action, including URL > > - file name > > - page action > > - name of destination > > - pdfliteral contents > > - pdfobj contents > > - pdfannot contents > > - pdfoutline title > > - pdfinfo, pdfcatalog > > > > And this list may get larger, as we don't know what may be new in next version > > of PDF spec. > > Whenever pdftex provides a syntax for it, it should also take care to > quote the provided string. If pdftex does not provide a specfic > syntax, or provides a syntax that involves a parenthesis delimited > string, it should leave the quoting to the macro writers. so there are two posibilities: (1)~let pdftex check whether a string is valid when we know surely that it should be a PS/PDF string (used with name dest, file name...); (2)~leave the quoting to the macro writers in such cases. The later means also changing the interface, what I don't want to do any more. On the other hand it seems "more robust" to me. Any suggestions? Cheers, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 07:37:43 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11023 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:37:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22596 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:22:32 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22593 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:22:30 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl44.pi.net [145.220.204.44]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA12197; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:22:27 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:22:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3534B3AC.238D@pi.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:18:36 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org, Han The Thanh CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: patch/bugreport dvipsk 5.78 References: <199804151230.OAA09907@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > so there are two posibilities: (1)~let pdftex check whether a string is valid > when we know surely that it should be a PS/PDF string (used with name dest, file > name...); (2)~leave the quoting to the macro writers in such cases. The later > means also changing the interface, what I don't want to do any more. On the > other hand it seems "more robust" to me. Any suggestions? Leave it to etex (more general remapping primitives) and the macro package. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 09:20:49 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14556 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23146 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:14:17 -0400 Received: from cnri.reston.va.us (ns.CNRI.Reston.VA.US [132.151.1.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23143 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:14:15 -0400 Received: from weyr.cnri.reston.va.us (weyr [132.151.1.23]) by cnri.reston.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id LAA12048; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by weyr.cnri.reston.va.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09020; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:14:07 -0400 From: "Fred L. Drake" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) To: Han The Thanh Cc: pdfTeX List Subject: Re: Non-working \pdfoutline, 0.12f (Web2C 7.2) (teTeX 980318) In-Reply-To: <199804150924.LAA27908@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <13619.26249.198912.323637@weyr.cnri.reston.va.us> <199804150924.LAA27908@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13620.52716.645539.593937@weyr.cnri.reston.va.us> Reply-To: "Fred L. Drake, Jr." X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh writes: > I've looked at the PDF file. The outlines seem to be ok, I think this is a bug > of AcroReader which has been known for a long time: when some named destinations > are prefix of others then some of them don't work. Here is the copy of a mail I Han, Thanks; your analysis matches perfectly, as does the proposed work-around. I agree that optionally using a "flat tree" is a good solution for a future release. I'll fix my PDFs and update them on the python.org site. Again, many thanks! -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fdrake@cnri.reston.va.us Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive Reston, VA 20191 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 10:37:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17532 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23494 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:31:46 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23491 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:31:45 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:31:45 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd10-011.par.compuserve.com [195.232.74.11]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id MAA02191; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03285; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:56:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:56:18 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD6897.CA5EE910.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Hans Hagen'" , David Carlisle Cc: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: RE: Support voor \emline Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:56:16 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, April 15, 1998 12:59 PM, Hans Hagen [SMTP:pragma@pi.net] wrote: > > isn't there either. (It will be inside one of the emtex zip files but > > I'm not fetching those:-) So I am not sure what other features the style > > uses. > > Let's Berend investugate that ... None. This is the only one. The entire style file is: % emlines.sty Mai 1990, Georg Horn / Eberhard Mattes. % % Makros zum Zeichnen von Linien mit beliebiger Steigung. % % **************************************************************** % * Nur funktionsf?hig mit den dvi-Treibern von Eberhard Mattes * % * ab Version 1.3j. * % **************************************************************** % % Der Makro \emline#1#2#3#4#5#6 verbindet den Punkt mit den % Koordinaten (#1,#2) und den Punkt mit den Koordinaten (#4,#5). % Die Parameter #3 und #6 werden ignoriert. % % TeXcad 2.6 erzeugt Aufrufe dieses Makros f?r mit eingeschalteter % EMLines-Option gezeichnete Linien. % (z.B. \emline{0.0}{0.0}{1}{17.0}{4.0}{2}). % \def\emline#1#2#3#4#5#6{% \put(#1,#2){\special{em:moveto}}% \put(#4,#5){\special{em:lineto}}} % % Der Makro \newpic#1 wird ignoriert, da nicht mehr erforderlich. % \def\newpic#1{} Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 16:03:19 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29311 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24688 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:53:15 -0400 Received: from regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de [130.75.26.7]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24685 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:53:13 -0400 Received: from gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (te@h60.ts1.uni-hannover.de [130.75.249.60]) by regulus.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18559 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:53:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from te@localhost) by gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id XAA19221 for pdftex@tug.org; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:13:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:13:13 +0200 From: Thomas Esser Message-Id: <199804152113.XAA19221@gauss.informatik.uni-hannover.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: missing AR definition in pdftexdir/Makefile.in Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk There should be a line AR=ar in pdftexdir/Makefile.in (similar to the RANLIB definition). It does not make a difference on most systems, but some systems don't use AR=ar implicitly and need that variable definition. Thomas From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 17:47:57 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03247 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25130 for pdftex-list; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:46:15 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25127 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:46:13 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11530 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:46:28 -0500 Message-ID: <35354669.1C82A02C@iws-irms.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:44:41 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: looking for pplr8r.vf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, This time i'm trying to run pdflatex on a document which uses Palatino. I seem to be missing the file pplr8r.vf (though there are other variations available, such as pplr8c.vf). I do have pplr8r.tfm. I couldn't find pplr8r.vf in the font directories in CTAN. I don't know how to generate this file from the .tfm (which is all i have). Can anybody help me? Thanks, Glauber -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 15 22:53:47 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11419 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA26336 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:52:08 -0400 Received: from vyvoj.vyvoj (jablovyv.dial-up.cz [193.179.205.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26333 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:52:06 -0400 Received: from osoba.vyvoj (osoba.vyvoj [192.168.1.38]) by vyvoj.vyvoj with SMTP id GAA19831 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:52:31 +0200 Message-ID: <199804160452.GAA19831@vyvoj.vyvoj> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: Glauber Ribeiro Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:52:13 +0200 Subject: Re: looking for pplr8r.vf Reply-to: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 15 Apr 98 at 18:44, Glauber Ribeiro wrote: > Hello, > > This time i'm trying to run pdflatex on a document which uses Palatino. > I seem to be missing the file pplr8r.vf (though there are other > variations available, such as pplr8c.vf). I do have pplr8r.tfm. > > I couldn't find pplr8r.vf in the font directories in CTAN. I don't know > how to generate this file from the .tfm (which is all i have). > > Can anybody help me? > This is encoded postscript font. If you want to use is with pdf(la)tex, you need file Palatino-Roman.pfb (which you have to buy or use Palladio font from GhostScript) and encoding file 8r.enc. More you need line like: pplr8r Palatino-Roman ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28019 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:02:41 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28016 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:02:39 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA27645; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:58:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:02:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:08:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1407-Wed15Apr1998210814+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: glauber@iws-irms.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref again In-Reply-To: <35321F43.5A93195B@iws-irms.com> References: <199804102241.AAA16674@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> <35321F43.5A93195B@iws-irms.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Glauber Ribeiro writes: > Is there a kind soul out there who has the hyperref documentation in pdf > or PostScript format? > the hyperref documentation is supplied in pdf format with the package on CTAN sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 06:18:53 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09864 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28027 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:03:01 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28021 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:02:59 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA27679; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:58:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:02:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:27:24 +0100 Message-ID: <7921-Wed15Apr1998212724+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: berend@pobox.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Support voor \emline In-Reply-To: <01BD653E.1BF6D1A0.berend@pobox.com> References: <01BD653E.1BF6D1A0.berend@pobox.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Looking at Berend's example, i find it hard to believe that this sort of code is written by hand. so if it's in any sense generated, it is probably amenable to conversion into Metapost of course the PGML proposal i posted a reference to yesterday is highly relevant here. having your main document as HTML[1] with embedded XML fragments against the MathML and PGML DTDs is rather attractive. sebastian [1] by the way, hyperref has an experimental driver "tex4ht", so that you can keep the markup unchanged, but switch to Eitan Gurari's excellent tex4ht system as and when needed. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 07:12:23 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11108 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28320 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:08:50 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28317 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:08:41 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id OAA29529; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:04:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:08:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1142-Thu16Apr1998133732+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: line10 In-Reply-To: <199804151741.NAA23791@tug.org> References: <199804151741.NAA23791@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk this is > From: Glauber Ribeiro and let it be a lesson - dpnt use the word Help in a Subject line! sebastian ******************************* Hello, I have web2c 7.2, pdf(la)tex 0.12i, Win NT 4.0 binary distributions from Msr Popineau (sp?). i'm trying to use pdflatex on a document called "LaTeX2e for authors" (which i got from the LaTeX2e web site), and i get this error: ================ [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23 ! Error: pdflatex.exe: Font line10 not found in map files No error ================ Pdflatex aborts at this point, and the PDF file is not readable. LaTeX has no problem generating a DVI, but i'd like to get a PDF done for ease of use. Digging through the share/texmf directory, i found files: /share/texmf/pdftex/config/logo.map and /share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.map which both have this line: line10 line10 ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28451 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:35:23 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28448 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:35:14 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20710 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:35:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29261 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:35:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804161335.PAA29261@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: line10 In-Reply-To: <1142-Thu16Apr1998133732+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> from Sebastian Rahtz at "Apr 16, 98 01:37:32 pm" To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:35:11 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > ******************************* > Hello, > > I have web2c 7.2, pdf(la)tex 0.12i, Win NT 4.0 binary distributions from > Msr Popineau (sp?). > > i'm trying to use pdflatex on a document called "LaTeX2e for authors" > (which i got from the LaTeX2e web site), and i get this error: > > ================ > [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23 > ! Error: pdflatex.exe: > Font line10 not found in map files > No error > ================ > > > Pdflatex aborts at this point, and the PDF file is not readable. > LaTeX has no problem generating a DVI, but i'd like to get a PDF done > for ease of use. > > Digging through the share/texmf directory, i found files: > /share/texmf/pdftex/config/logo.map and > /share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.map > > which both have this line: > > line10 line10 > > The file line10.pfb is available in /share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/cm. > > > What else can i be missing? you may need to look at pdftex.cfg to see whether logo.map or pdftex.map is read Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 07:49:42 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12003 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28491 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:43:02 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28485 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:43:00 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21238 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:42:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29647 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:42:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804161342.PAA29647@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: PK fonts -- can anyone help? To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:42:54 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm looking for someone who understands PK fonts and is willing to help out support of PK fonts with pdftex. Any volunteers? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:24:58 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12992 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28712 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:21:39 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28709 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:21:37 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA01939; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:17:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:21:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:00:38 +0100 Message-ID: <6641-Thu16Apr1998150038+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 Q) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: screen designed pdf Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk C V Radhakrishnan sent me a nice PDF file created using pdfLaTeX which I took the liberty of posting at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/gentlesgml.pdf It is the TEI gentle introduction to SGML formatted for the screen, with a permanent TOC area on the side (like HTML frames). Anyone who has seen Hans Hagen's stuff will recognise the effect, but I thought this was a nice piece of design which others might like to see sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:26:33 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13039 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28722 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:21:54 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28719 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:21:50 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA01949; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:17:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:21:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:05:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1374-Thu16Apr1998150526+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pk fonts and pdftex In-Reply-To: <199804152202.SAA24746@tug.org> References: <199804152202.SAA24746@tug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thanh sent the following message, but it was too large for the mailing list software. the files he refers to are at http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/t.{tex,pdf,pgc,tfm) sebastian PS i think the result is truly horrible..... ******************************** we (Hans and me) have done some testing with MF and pdftex. I've implemented an experimental mechanism for creating Type 3 font. The pdf file (t.pdf) has been created by running `pdftex t'. The file t.pgc has been created by mp+context with a set of macros written by Hans. I consider to support pk font in this way too---by writting a program that convert pk font to this format. The glyph contents are simply included to pdf file. Of course one can create his own pgc (Pdf Glyph Container) file, mix bitmap as well as curves or whatever allowed in pdf page description. The result is quite ugly now in comparison with Type 1 or TrueType font, however we hope AcroReader will get better at Type 3 font handling. GS displays Type 3 font better, but spacing is a little strange. If anyone needs to play with it, please let me know. I don't know whether it should be in pdftex-0.12j or not, so the current version is not available on my home site yet. Thanh PS: Taco, do you think that Type1 font *without* hinting will look better? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:31:44 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13183 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28768 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:29:22 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28765 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:29:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:27:47 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980416152747.6877@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: RE: screen designed pdf Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> C V Radhakrishnan sent me a nice PDF file created using pdfLaTeX which >> I took the liberty of posting at >> >> http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/gentlesgml.pdf It's super, but one major defect : every time I use one of the TOC entries, it re-sets my pre-set "fit to width" :-((((( ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:37:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13325 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28844 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:50 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28838 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:44 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA02632; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:30:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:34:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:24:52 +0100 Message-ID: <2909-Thu16Apr1998152452+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: thanh@informatics.muni.cz Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? In-Reply-To: <199804161342.PAA29647@anxur.fi.muni.cz> References: <199804161342.PAA29647@anxur.fi.muni.cz> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh writes: > > I'm looking for someone who understands PK fonts and is willing to help out > support of PK fonts with pdftex. Any volunteers? > can you support Type3 fonts OK? why don't we just have a tool for PK to Type3? Y&Y have one, it cannot be that hard to do sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:38:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13350 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28843 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:49 -0400 Received: from vyvoj.vyvoj (jablovyv.dial-up.cz [193.179.205.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28836 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:41 -0400 Received: from osoba.vyvoj (osoba.vyvoj [192.168.1.38]) by vyvoj.vyvoj with SMTP id QAA01517 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:21:51 +0200 Message-ID: <199804161421.QAA01517@vyvoj.vyvoj> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:21:25 +0200 Subject: Re: line10 Reply-to: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 16 Apr 98 at 13:37, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > this is > > From: Glauber Ribeiro > and let it be a lesson - dpnt use the word Help in a Subject line! > > sebastian > > ******************************* > Hello, > > I have web2c 7.2, pdf(la)tex 0.12i, Win NT 4.0 binary distributions from > Msr Popineau (sp?). > > i'm trying to use pdflatex on a document called "LaTeX2e for authors" > (which i got from the LaTeX2e web site), and i get this error: > > ================ > [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23 > ! Error: pdflatex.exe: > Font line10 not found in map files > No error > ================ > > > Pdflatex aborts at this point, and the PDF file is not readable. > LaTeX has no problem generating a DVI, but i'd like to get a PDF done > for ease of use. > > Digging through the share/texmf directory, i found files: > /share/texmf/pdftex/config/logo.map and > /share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.map Look to file texmf/pdftex/base/pdftex.cfg if these map-files are included. Jiri. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:40:34 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13470 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28829 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:33 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28825 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:34:31 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA02609; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:30:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:34:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:22:34 +0100 Message-ID: <2101-Thu16Apr1998152234+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: RE: screen designed pdf In-Reply-To: <980416152747.6877@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980416152747.6877@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > >> http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/gentlesgml.pdf > > It's super, but one major defect : every time I use one of the TOC > entries, it re-sets my pre-set "fit to width" :-((((( > i am inclined to agree that the "fit to XX" facility in PDF is just a royal pain in the neck... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:46:16 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13667 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:46:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28881 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:40:35 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28878 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:40:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:39:15 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, THANH@informatics.muni.cz, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980416153915.6877@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> can you support Type3 fonts OK? why don't we just have a tool for PK to >> Type3? Y&Y have one, it cannot be that hard to do But is it philosophically sound? Why keep "foo.pk" _and_ "foo.type-3" if one already has the former and doesn't need the latter? I'd support Thanh's proposal. ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:51:45 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13836 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28945 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:49:55 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28942 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:49:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:49:53 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: PDFTEX@tug.org CC: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980416154953.7453@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: t.{whatever} Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> Thanh sent the following message, but it was too large for the mailing >> list software. the files he refers to are at >> >> http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/t.{tex,pdf,pgc,tfm) >> >> sebastian Are you sure you want these on a public server; the material is still in copyright, I believe... ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 08:58:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14028 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28932 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:48:54 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28929 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:48:52 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA03081; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:44:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:48:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:37:36 +0100 Message-ID: <8765-Thu16Apr1998153736+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? In-Reply-To: <980416153915.6877@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980416153915.6877@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > >> can you support Type3 fonts OK? why don't we just have a tool for PK to > >> Type3? Y&Y have one, it cannot be that hard to do > > But is it philosophically sound? Why keep "foo.pk" _and_ "foo.type-3" > if one already has the former and doesn't need the latter? I'd support > Thanh's proposal. ** Phil. why would you keep foo.pk lying around? anyway, its fairly academic, since the results are so horrible! s From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 09:25:18 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15020 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29138 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:21:31 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29135 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:21:29 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id QAA03958; hop 0; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:17:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:21:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:09:48 +0100 Message-ID: <7060-Thu16Apr1998160948+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: Re: t.{whatever} In-Reply-To: <980416154953.7453@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980416154953.7453@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > > Are you sure you want these on a public server; the material > is still in copyright, I believe... > eh? what is copyright? the text of the example? s From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 09:30:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15248 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29180 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:28:50 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29177 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:28:48 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SN-SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:28:32 +0200 Received: from id034.wkap.nl by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.1-4 #29553) with ESMTP id <01IVY1D5EJE8001Y5B@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:28:30 +0100 Received: from PC377.WKAP.NL by ID034.WKAP.NL (PMDF V5.1-9 #22310) with SMTP id <01IVY1D3976O99E1RT@ID034.WKAP.NL> for pdftex@tug.org; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:28:27 +0000 ([+0200]) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:29:54 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? In-reply-to: <199804161342.PAA29647@anxur.fi.muni.cz> To: Han The Thanh Cc: PDFTEX Reply-to: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Authentication: none Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:42:54 +0200 (MET DST) Han The Thanh wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for someone who understands PK fonts and is willing to help out > support of PK fonts with pdftex. Any volunteers? > > Thanh Wait Thanh, Taco will writethe pk to pgc program. We're experimenting right now. I can get the bitmaps in the file, but still reverse video. More tomorrow. Hans --------------------------------------------------------------------- Taco Hoekwater texhelp@wkap.nl Kluwer Academic Publishers -- Pre Press -- Achterom 119, 3311 KB Dordrecht, The Netherlands tel. 31-78-6392550 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 09:30:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15255 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29170 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:28:05 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29164 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:27:59 -0400 Received: by md2.vsnl.net.in; id AA07393; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:02:50 +0530 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:02:50 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: Sebastian Rahtz Cc: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk, PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: RE: screen designed pdf In-Reply-To: <2101-Thu16Apr1998152234+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > > >> http://www.tug.org/applications/pdftex/gentlesgml.pdf > > > > It's super, but one major defect : every time I use one of the TOC > > entries, it re-sets my pre-set "fit to width" :-((((( > > > i am inclined to agree that the "fit to XX" facility in PDF is just a > royal pain in the neck... > > sebastian is it not wise to keep the screen always in the same shape, for, people would be having different configurations, which may disturb the overall presentation? my efforts may seem like mimicking html. still i love that. radhakrishnan From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 09:33:07 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15307 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29194 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:29:55 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29191 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:29:51 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02689; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:29:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id RAA06494; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:33:17 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:33:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804161533.RAA06494@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? In-Reply-To: <2909-Thu16Apr1998152452+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <199804161342.PAA29647@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <2909-Thu16Apr1998152452+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? », Sebastian Rahtz écrit : « » Han The Thanh writes: » > » > I'm looking for someone who understands PK fonts and is willing to help out » > support of PK fonts with pdftex. Any volunteers? » > » can you support Type3 fonts OK? why don't we just have a tool for PK to » Type3? Y&Y have one, it cannot be that hard to do well, dvips already does this so it should be fairly simple, but what i understood from the examples i saw yesterday was that they have a scheme to convert MF source to MPS with metapost, & distill that to PDF with Hans' macros, then define PDF objects & refer to them for building a type 3 font. It seems to me 2 different tasks to convert the outlines to PDF objects & to use the PKs although the underlying pdftex mechanisms could be the same. Th. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 13:00:21 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22764 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA30144 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:50:54 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30141 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:50:51 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:50:51 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd03-055.par.compuserve.com [195.232.67.55]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id OAA01396; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA06050; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:32:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:32:44 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD6976.CF9CA950.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Sebastian Rahtz'" Cc: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: RE: Support voor \emline Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:32:43 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, April 15, 1998 10:27 PM, Sebastian Rahtz [SMTP:s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk] wrote: > Looking at Berend's example, i find it hard to believe that this sort > of code is written by hand. so if it's in any sense generated, it is > probably amenable to conversion into Metapost It isn't. It comes out of a tool I've written to draw certain types of figures (semantic database diagrams) very quickly. I'll take a look at metapost. As I have the source I've the possiblity to change it :-) > [1] by the way, hyperref has an experimental driver "tex4ht", so that > you can keep the markup unchanged, but switch to Eitan Gurari's > excellent tex4ht system as and when needed. tex4ht doesn't do figures. Groetjes, Berend. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 16 19:00:55 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06742 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA31440 for pdftex-list; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:58:05 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA31437 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:58:04 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com ([198.179.146.155]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28129 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3536A8AD.E97FFEE6@iws-irms.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:56:13 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Map file question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, many thanks to all who replied and helped me with my attempt to use Postscript fonts. Once someone pointed to me which file i had to look into (texmf/pdftex/base/pdftex.cfg), i was out of trouble, mostly. BUT, there is another thing: when i tried \usepackage{times} i got an error that said "ptmro8r not found in map files." I checked standard.map, and for sure, it wasn't there. I copied the line that was for ptmr8r, making it ptmro8r Times-Roman ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA32307 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:01:14 -0400 Received: from vyvoj.vyvoj (jablovyv.dial-up.cz [193.179.205.11]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA32304 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:01:12 -0400 Received: from osoba.vyvoj (osoba.vyvoj [192.168.1.38]) by vyvoj.vyvoj with SMTP id HAA19532 (8.7.6/IDA-1.6); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:02:23 +0200 Message-ID: <199804170502.HAA19532@vyvoj.vyvoj> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jiri Osoba" Organization: Jablotron Ltd. - Development dpt. To: Glauber Ribeiro Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:01:36 +0200 Subject: Re: Map file question Reply-to: Jiri Osoba CC: pdftex@tug.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On 16 Apr 98 at 19:56, Glauber Ribeiro wrote: > Hello, > > many thanks to all who replied and helped me with my attempt to use > Postscript fonts. Once someone pointed to me which file i had to look > into (texmf/pdftex/base/pdftex.cfg), i was out of trouble, mostly. > > BUT, there is another thing: when i tried > \usepackage{times} > i got an error that said "ptmro8r not found in map files." I checked > standard.map, and for sure, it wasn't there. I copied the line that was > for ptmr8r, making it > ptmro8r Times-Roman and pdflatex worked. Did i do the right thing? What does ptmro8r mean? I > chose to copy the definition for ptmr8r because that looked like the > most similar name, but i have no clue of what i did. No, it's wrong, it should be Times-Roman-Oblique font, slanted Times-Roman. I hope you use pdftex-0.12, so try ptmro8r Times-Roman ".167 SlantFont" ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00069 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:55:02 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00063 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:55:00 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl22.pi.net [145.220.204.22]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA06713; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:57 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35368FA9.603@pi.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:09:29 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Berend de Boer CC: "pdftex@tug.org" Subject: Re: Support voor \emline References: <01BD6976.CF9CA950.berend@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Berend, Can you try this in ConTeXt (translate to dutch if needed): \pdfoutput=1 \def\drawline(#1,#2)(#3,#4)% {\leavevmode\pdfliteral{q 1 w 1 j 1 J #1 #2 m #3 #4 l S Q}} \framed[width=100bp,height=100bp,strut=no] {\drawline(0,0)(30,30)} The positioning is not the problem. Your main problem is probably that the literal is not centered right. Try something \leavevmode,don't use struts etc etc Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 00:56:33 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24782 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00061 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:54:58 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00058 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:54:57 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl22.pi.net [145.220.204.22]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA06631; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3536861B.361A@pi.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:28:43 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: PDFTEX Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? References: <199804161342.PAA29647@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > I'm looking for someone who understands PK fonts and is willing to help out > support of PK fonts with pdftex. Any volunteers? Yesterday/Today I wrote a perl scrips that converted a pk2ps generated file into a glyph container file. I could indeed generate a pdf file (using pdftex) with type 3 bitmaps by letting pdftex/tex build the data striuctures, but the scaling is problematic and somehow the bitmap is reversed. The main problem with ps files is that one also has to interpret the preamble. I discussed this with Taco and we decided to adapt pk2bm to generate the pgc file, that is Taco will do the programming. So, pk support is available soon! Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 01:00:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25320 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00101 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:58:21 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00095 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:58:19 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl22.pi.net [145.220.204.22]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA06658; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:44 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3536874C.F86@pi.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:33:48 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk, PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: Re: t.{whatever} References: <980416154953.7453@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <7060-Thu16Apr1998160948+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > > > > Are you sure you want these on a public server; the material > > is still in copyright, I believe... > > > eh? what is copyright? the text of the example? Maybe: in copy, right? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 01:01:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25526 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00096 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:58:19 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00091 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:58:17 -0400 Received: from hagen (zl22.pi.net [145.220.204.22]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA06667; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:47 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:54:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35368842.4B84@pi.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:37:54 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Bouche CC: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? References: <199804161342.PAA29647@anxur.fi.muni.cz> <2909-Thu16Apr1998152452+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804161533.RAA06494@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id CAA00092 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Bouche wrote: > > Concernant « Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? », Sebastian Rahtz écrit : « > » Han The Thanh writes: > » > > » > I'm looking for someone who understands PK fonts and is willing to help out > » > support of PK fonts with pdftex. Any volunteers? > » > > » can you support Type3 fonts OK? why don't we just have a tool for PK to > » Type3? Y&Y have one, it cannot be that hard to do > > well, dvips already does this so it should be fairly simple, but what > i understood from the examples i saw yesterday was that they have a > scheme to convert MF source to MPS with metapost, & distill that to > PDF with Hans' macros, then define PDF objects & refer to them for > building a type 3 font. It seems to me 2 different tasks to convert the > outlines to PDF objects & to use the PKs although the underlying > pdftex mechanisms could be the same. You're right. But, allas, not all metafont's are handled ok by metapost, due to differences in concept. So: go for pfb, if not found, try mp, if not possible, use pk. Currently Taco is converting lots of mf into pfb. I think we should sort of coordinate these things. One repository. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 02:38:07 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07646 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA00510 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:28:56 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA00507 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:28:54 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SN-SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:28:53 +0200 Received: from id034.wkap.nl by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.1-4 #29553) with ESMTP id <01IVZ106BJ9S001ZKS@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:28:50 +0100 Received: from PC377.WKAP.NL by ID034.WKAP.NL (PMDF V5.1-9 #22310) with SMTP id <01IVZ104DMTS99E2RS@ID034.WKAP.NL> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:28:47 +0000 ([+0200]) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:30:20 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Re: PK fonts -- can anyone help? In-reply-to: <35368842.4B84@pi.net> To: pdftex@tug.org Reply-to: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Authentication: none Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > You're right. But, allas, not all metafont's are handled ok by metapost, due to differences in > concept. So: go for pfb, if not found, try mp, if not possible, use pk. And don't forget stuff like bm2font that doesnt even have mf sources. The "vector Type3" looks a lot better than the bitmapped T3. Taco From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 03:00:59 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA08114 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA00628 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:58:09 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00622 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:58:07 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA16814; hop 0; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:53:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:55:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:46:18 +0100 Message-ID: <9925-Thu16Apr1998214618+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: glauber@iws-irms.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Map file question In-Reply-To: <3536A8AD.E97FFEE6@iws-irms.com> References: <3536A8AD.E97FFEE6@iws-irms.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Glauber Ribeiro writes: > i got an error that said "ptmro8r not found in map files." I checked > standard.map, and for sure, it wasn't there. I copied the line that was ptmro8r is slanted Times. Thanh added support for this concept quite recently, and the map files are not as good as they might be > for ptmr8r, making it > ptmro8r Times-Roman and pdflatex worked. Did i do the right thing? What does ptmro8r mean? I no. that maps slanted Times to upright Times you want ptmro8r Times-Roman " .167 SlantFont " ptmr8a.pfb 8r.enc sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 03:05:38 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA08180 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:05:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA00626 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:58:08 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00620 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:58:06 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA16810; hop 0; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:53:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:54:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:35:58 +0100 Message-ID: <6021-Thu16Apr1998213558+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: berend@pobox.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: RE: Support voor \emline In-Reply-To: <01BD6976.CF9CA950.berend@pobox.com> References: <01BD6976.CF9CA950.berend@pobox.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Berend de Boer writes: > It isn't. It comes out of a tool I've written to draw certain types of > figures (semantic database diagrams) very quickly. I'll take a look at > metapost. As I have the source I've the possiblity to change it :-) i think the effort to rewrite the application to generate MetaPost would be well worth it, personally. concocting stuff with emlines seems a bit limiting > > you can keep the markup unchanged, but switch to Eitan Gurari's > > excellent tex4ht system as and when needed. > > tex4ht doesn't do figures. eh? tex4ht does whatever you ask it to do. its only limitation is what you can express in HTML sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 05:04:14 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10650 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 05:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA01039 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:50:20 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA01036 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:50:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:50:12 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: PDFTEX@tug.org CC: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980417115012.9333@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Copyright Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > > > > Are you sure you want these on a public server; the material > > is still in copyright, I believe... > > > eh? what is copyright? the text of the example? Yes. It comes from "The Little Prince". ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 07:29:56 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14024 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01873 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:25:10 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01870 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:25:08 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:25:07 -0400 Received: from d-waller (ld38-245.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.20.245]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id JAA12149 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804171324.JAA12149@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "David Waller" To: "pdftex" Subject: Displaying pdf files Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:25:20 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello I am using pdflatex and wish to allow the user to jump from one pdf file to another (like a sort of menu system). I have been able to get this to work using hyperref, only hyperref insists on using explorer to display the next file. (I was using the \href command) I am looking for a way without using explorer. Next I tried using the basic pdftex commands as in \pdfannotlink goto file {grammar.pdf} Press here for grammar \pdfendlink However I use this command I always get back to the error message ! PDF error (ext1): you must specify identifier type. This is the same whether I am using pdftex or pdflatex (version 0.11). Any ideas please. I have noticed that hyperref has a command hyper@linkfile. Is there any way of accessing this command. I would prefer a LaTeX solution as opposed to a TeX solution. Thanks for any help Dave Waller From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 08:11:27 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15408 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02146 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:05:47 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02143 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:05:45 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id PAA27881; hop 0; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:01:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:05:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:06:14 +0100 Message-ID: <5522-Fri17Apr1998030614+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: DWaller1@csi.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Displaying pdf files In-Reply-To: <199804171324.JAA12149@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> References: <199804171324.JAA12149@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk something like \href{file:test2.pdf#page.2}{See page 2 in file test2.pdf} will do the job, or just \href{file:test2.pdf}{the other file} the key is the file: prefix for the URL, which hyperref explicitly traps and turns into a request to Acrobat, rather than your Web browser sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 08:19:14 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15643 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02230 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:27 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02227 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:25 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06027; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:15:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02488; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:15:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804171415.QAA02488@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Displaying pdf files In-Reply-To: <199804171324.JAA12149@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> from David Waller at "Apr 17, 98 02:25:20 pm" To: DWaller1@csi.com (David Waller) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:15:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Hello > I am using pdflatex and wish to allow the user to jump from one pdf file > to another (like a sort of menu system). I have been able to get this to > work using hyperref, only hyperref insists on using explorer to display the > next file. (I was using the \href command) I am looking for a way without > using explorer. > > Next I tried using the basic pdftex commands as in > > \pdfannotlink goto file {grammar.pdf} Press here for grammar \pdfendlink > > However I use this command I always get back to the error message > ! PDF error (ext1): you must specify identifier type. > > This is the same whether I am using pdftex or pdflatex (version 0.11). Any > ideas please. you need to specify where to go in the dest file also. Copy from example.tex: .... goto % goto action % %file{file.pdf} % optional file specification; can be used only with % `goto' action or `thread' action (see below). If % action identifier is name then there should be a % destination or a thread with same name identifier % in the file; if action identifier is number then it % means page number for `goto' action (in this case it % will take effect as `fitb' specification) and index % number of thread for `thread' action (the first one % in document has index number 0) % % goto action type (one of the following can/must be % specified) num 1 % goto destination with num identifier %name{dest} % goto destination with name identifier %page 1 {/Fit} % goto page 1 and fit the whole page Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 08:19:20 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15649 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02223 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:22 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02220 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:15:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:14:38 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980417151438.84c5@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: RE: screen designed pdf Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> is it not wise to keep the screen always in the same shape, for, people >> would be having different configurations, which may disturb the overall >> presentation? my efforts may seem like mimicking html. still i love that. In general, I agree, although there are circumstances (such as jumping to an embedded form) where a different shape might be more appropriate. But in the case in question, I found on opening your document you had selected either "fit page" or "fit visible" (I was not sure which), which I then over-rode with "fit width" for greater legibility; however, on using a TOC link, I was then forcibly switched back to "fit page/visible". IMVHO, once a user has selected a preferred view, the action of taking a link-jump should not override the user's choice without very good reason... ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 08:46:44 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16485 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02365 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:42:09 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02362 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:42:05 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27367 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:41:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id QAA00040; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:45:35 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:45:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804171445.QAA00040@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: PDFTeX Mailing List Subject: pftex 's arrays X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, pdftex has many hard-wired array sizes. Could it be possible to use the web2c method to be able to modify them from the texmf.cnf file? I think of - number of enc files (i hit the limit a while ago, this never happened again) - buffer length for type 1 fonts (the font Staccato222BT-Regular from Bitstream cannot be used) - trying to compile a nice PDF file with an example line for all the type 1 fonts installed on my system, after having enlarged some constants so that tex can accomplish its work, i get this one: ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [PDF virtual packet max=20000] [the same file with tex+dvips works-- there are 230 type 1 fonts in it] bouche@monteverdi:~/tex/tst/exemples[18]» dvips BL -o dvipsk 5.66a Copyright 1986-97 Radical Eye Software (www.radicaleye.com) ' TeX output 1998.04.17:1635' -> BL.ps <8r.enc>. [1] [2 dvips: Warning: missing glyph `dotaccent' dvips: Warning: missing glyph `dotaccent' ] [3 dvips: Warning: missing glyph `dotlessi' dvips: Warning: missing glyph `dotaccent' ] [4] [5] From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 08:56:11 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16885 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02417 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:50:06 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02414 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:50:02 -0400 Received: by md2.vsnl.net.in; id AA19858; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:27:12 +0530 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:27:12 +0530 (IST) From: RADHAKRISHNAN C V To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Subject: RE: screen designed pdf In-Reply-To: <980417151438.84c5@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Philip Taylor wrote: > In general, I agree, although there are circumstances (such as > jumping to an embedded form) where a different shape might be more > appropriate. But in the case in question, I found on opening your > document you had selected either "fit page" or "fit visible" (I > was not sure which), which I then over-rode with "fit width" for > greater legibility; however, on using a TOC link, I was then i chose this option because my pagewidth and page height would fit the screen size. and there are no objects that demands closer viewing, nor any forms embedded. i simply believed that people may resize acrobat window, so that the document would always remain fit to the screen. > forcibly switched back to "fit page/visible". IMVHO, once a user > has selected a preferred view, the action of taking a link-jump > should not override the user's choice without very good reason... in special situation i would of course, subscribe to your opinion. cvr From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 09:13:22 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17446 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02546 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:10:11 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02543 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:10:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:06:54 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980417160654.84c5@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: RE: screen designed pdf Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> i chose this option because my pagewidth and page height would fit the >> screen size. and there are no objects that demands closer viewing, For those with good eyesight :-) I am now 51, wear +1.25 diopter reading glasses, use a 15" monitor at 800 x 600, and find it _much_ more legible using "fit width" than "fit page/visible"... ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 10:18:54 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19581 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02804 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:14:12 -0400 Received: from csc-sun.math.utah.edu (csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02801 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:14:06 -0400 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19409; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:05 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29596; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:05 -0600 (MDT) To: PDFTeX Mailing List Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: pftex 's arrays Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:45:35 +0200 (MET DST) >> From: Thierry Bouche >> pdftex has many hard-wired array sizes.... >> ... >> - buffer length for type 1 fonts (the font Staccato222BT-Regular from >> Bitstream cannot be used) According to Appendix B.1 of the red Adobe PostScript Language Reference manual, the pdftex limits should not be less than these: name 127 Maximum length of a name, in characters filename 100 Maximum length of a filename, including the %device% prefix. In Appendix D of the grey Adobe Portable Document Format Reference Manual, it says: name 127 Maximum number of characters in a name. However, I have in the last few days seen advertisements for PostScript printers claiming to implement PostScript 3. As far as I know, a new third edition of the red book documenting that new version of the language has not yet been announced; it will be important to check its defined implementation limits when it finally appears. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 11:04:20 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21378 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02951 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:55:35 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02948 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:55:30 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13497; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:55:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08535; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:55:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804171655.SAA08535@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: acroread and gsview In-Reply-To: <3530BFC8.3EBFB67F@mail.usyd.edu.au> from Robert Howlett at "Apr 12, 98 11:21:12 pm" To: rhowlett@mail.usyd.edu.au (Robert Howlett) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:55:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have continued to experiment with true-type fonts, using now > pdftex-0.12i, and it seems to me that acroread just doesn't > work the way it is supposed to. Using various ttf files I > happened to have on my system, I used ttf2afm and afm2tfm > and vptovf to make virtual fonts, using some (possibly silly) > encoding file I concocted, and then made pdf files featuring > font tables and sample text (using testfont.tex that came > with emtex). Under Windows95, when viewed with gsview they > look right, while viewed with acroread they look wrong. If the > truetype font in question is not "installed" as a Windows > font then acroread seems to do OK for characters 0 to 127 > of the font (so the cm fonts are OK), but seems to to do > bizarre things for the rest of the font. If the font is > installed it does even worse. (Unfortunately, including the > pseudoUniqueTag as part of the font name doesn't seem to have > prevented acroread from looking for the installed version of > the font.) I've done some more work and testing on TTF today. Now pdftex adds a prefix even to the built-in names when embedding TTF, to make sure that no font with the same name is installed on system :-). I've tested with Arial and 8r encoding. Here is the result: 1) on UNIX system both work well (built-in names with and without prefix) 2) on Win95: a) the version WITHOUT PREFIX seems nearly ok, apart from first 32 characters 0--31 are not displayed. b) the version WITH PREFIX seems also nearly ok, apart from first 32 characters in the *second subtable* (128--159) are not displayed Any suggestions? The latest version of pdftex will be released next week Thanh From "Nelson H. F. Beebe " Fri Apr 17 10:14:05 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19409; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:05 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29596; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:05 -0600 (MDT) To: PDFTeX Mailing List Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: pftex 's arrays Message-ID: >> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:45:35 +0200 (MET DST) >> From: Thierry Bouche >> pdftex has many hard-wired array sizes.... >> ... >> - buffer length for type 1 fonts (the font Staccato222BT-Regular from >> Bitstream cannot be used) According to Appendix B.1 of the red Adobe PostScript Language Reference manual, the pdftex limits should not be less than these: name 127 Maximum length of a name, in characters filename 100 Maximum length of a filename, including the %device% prefix. In Appendix D of the grey Adobe Portable Document Format Reference Manual, it says: name 127 Maximum number of characters in a name. However, I have in the last few days seen advertisements for PostScript printers claiming to implement PostScript 3. As far as I know, a new third edition of the red book documenting that new version of the language has not yet been announced; it will be important to check its defined implementation limits when it finally appears. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 17 11:36:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22601 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03091 for pdftex-list; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:30:55 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03088 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:30:53 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14829 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:30:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09475 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:30:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804171730.TAA09475@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: more about TTF under WIn95 To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:30:49 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk having done some more testing I guess that when a font is not inslalled on system, then AcroReader display the font correctly apart from characters in range 128-159, but I'm afraid it may also depend on version of Win95. When a font is installed, it seems to be ok to me apart from characters in range 0--31. I'd suggest to wait for next version of Acrobat. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 18 09:11:32 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15210 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07765 for pdftex-list; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:05:06 -0400 Received: from netsurf.choin.net (netsurf.choin.net [194.64.180.3]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07759 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:04:57 -0400 Received: from berlin1.netsurf.de (p12.berlin1.netsurf.de [194.163.34.76] (may be forged)) by netsurf.choin.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07289; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:04:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3538C0FA.9620217A@berlin1.netsurf.de> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:04:27 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" , PDFTeX Subject: Re: pftex 's arrays References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > However, I have in the last few days seen advertisements for > PostScript printers claiming to implement PostScript 3. As far as I > know, a new third edition of the red book documenting that new version > of the language has not yet been announced; it will be important to > check its defined implementation limits when it finally appears. There is a Adobe TechNote on PS 3 available. I think this is what you are looking for. check Dev-relations>TechNotes at http://www.adobe.com (sorry I don't know the exact URL, it's to long ago since I visited that page last, as far as I remember the TN was published in November 1997) Tobias From tob@netsurf.choin.net Sat Apr 18 09:04:53 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from netsurf.choin.net (netsurf.choin.net [194.64.180.3]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14994 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from berlin1.netsurf.de (p12.berlin1.netsurf.de [194.163.34.76] (may be forged)) by netsurf.choin.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07289; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:04:03 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: tob@netsurf.choin.net Message-ID: <3538C0FA.9620217A@berlin1.netsurf.de> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:04:27 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" , PDFTeX Subject: Re: pftex 's arrays References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > However, I have in the last few days seen advertisements for > PostScript printers claiming to implement PostScript 3. As far as I > know, a new third edition of the red book documenting that new version > of the language has not yet been announced; it will be important to > check its defined implementation limits when it finally appears. There is a Adobe TechNote on PS 3 available. I think this is what you are looking for. check Dev-relations>TechNotes at http://www.adobe.com (sorry I don't know the exact URL, it's to long ago since I visited that page last, as far as I remember the TN was published in November 1997) Tobias From "Nelson H. F. Beebe " Sat Apr 18 12:01:11 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19217; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:01:10 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08578; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:01:11 -0600 (MDT) To: PDFTeX Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Pointer to PostScript 3 documentation Message-ID: Tobias Burnus gave a rough pointer to Adobe's Web site for more information on PostScript 3; I pursued this, and found that the most important link is to http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/devrelations/technotes.html where down near the bottom, there are links to 8 supplements, totalling 1350 pages (!), to the second edition of the PostScript Language Reference Manual The last of them is titled PS Supplement 3010 dated 10 October 1997 PostScript Language Reference Manual Supplement for Version 3010 (PDF 2MB / 406 pages) and it links to http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/devrelations/PDFS/TN/3010SUPP.pdf I sure hope they get the 3rd edition of the book out soon! >From the press releases elsewhere at the Adobe site, I found that some vendors have been shipping PostScript 3 printers since August 1997. P. 345 of 3010SUPP.pdf is the start of the section on Implementation Limits, which is how I got on this track yesterday. It contains NO NEW DATA that change the values I posted yesterday from the red and gray Adobe books. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 18 12:04:52 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19304 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08481 for pdftex-list; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:01:14 -0400 Received: from csc-sun.math.utah.edu (csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08478 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:01:11 -0400 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19217; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:01:10 -0600 (MDT) From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08578; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:01:11 -0600 (MDT) To: PDFTeX Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Pointer to PostScript 3 documentation Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Tobias Burnus gave a rough pointer to Adobe's Web site for more information on PostScript 3; I pursued this, and found that the most important link is to http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/devrelations/technotes.html where down near the bottom, there are links to 8 supplements, totalling 1350 pages (!), to the second edition of the PostScript Language Reference Manual The last of them is titled PS Supplement 3010 dated 10 October 1997 PostScript Language Reference Manual Supplement for Version 3010 (PDF 2MB / 406 pages) and it links to http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/devrelations/PDFS/TN/3010SUPP.pdf I sure hope they get the 3rd edition of the book out soon! >From the press releases elsewhere at the Adobe site, I found that some vendors have been shipping PostScript 3 printers since August 1997. P. 345 of 3010SUPP.pdf is the start of the section on Implementation Limits, which is how I got on this track yesterday. It contains NO NEW DATA that change the values I posted yesterday from the red and gray Adobe books. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 20 10:56:34 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04796 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19350 for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:50:42 -0400 Received: from thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de [134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19347 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:50:40 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de) by thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10732; Mon, 20 Apr 98 18:52:02 +0200 Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA14254; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:50:15 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:50:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199804201650.SAA14254@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: partial font downloading From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've recently had some discussion with Berthold Horn of Y&Y about the licensing issues of using pdfTeX-generated files with partial font downloading of commercial fonts and provided a sample PDF file to pick apart: http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~vieth/src/eps-proc.pdf (This file was generated with pdfTeX-0.12 from teTeX-0.9-980318.) While the file appears to preview and print fine, he pointed out that there is still a problem with the information that gets extracted into the downloaded font. Since we're talking about an extra null character (which normally indicates the end of a string in C library functions), I'd guess that the problem is related to an off-by-one error in some string copying function. Cheers, Ulrik. P.S. As for software that is bound to stumble over this error, t1disasm seems to be one such example. ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Return-Path: X-Sender: yandy@pop.tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:33:22 -0400 To: Ulrik Vieth From: "Y&Y, Inc." Subject: Re: LY1/Mathtime howto for tetex 0.9 (was Re: Everyone wants to use LY1 encoding) In-Reply-To: <199804201452.QAA14082@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> References: <199804201434.KAA03618@mail-out-3.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi: I took a look at the PDF file you pointed me to. It's better. The CharString dictionary size is now correct. But now a `null' (character code zero) appears before each character (exept the first) in the encrypted section: 2 index /CharStrings 6 dict dup begin /beta 254 RD ..... ND ^@/Z 151 RD ... ND ^@/b 34 RD ... ND etc. Maybe you can convey this to the author. There is bound to be some software that stumbles over this... Regards. ------- End of forwarded message ------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 20 10:57:18 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04844 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19256 for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:27:25 -0400 Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19253 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:27:22 -0400 Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31269 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:27:25 -0500 Message-ID: <353B76FA.792B3E94@iws-irms.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:25:30 -0500 From: Glauber Ribeiro Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex Subject: Including graphics in PDF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Could someone summarize briefly how to include graphics in a pdf document generated with pdf(la)tex? How can i include: (1) A PNG file (2) Metapost output (3) A PDF file created with distiller or PDF writer, containg a graphic (if this thing is even possible) Thank you, again, Glauber -- Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 20 14:35:31 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13560 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20221 for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:11:50 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20218 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:11:48 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01314; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:11:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id WAA11369; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:16:06 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:16:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804202016.WAA11369@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Glauber Ribeiro Cc: pdftex Subject: Re: Including graphics in PDF In-Reply-To: <353B76FA.792B3E94@iws-irms.com> References: <353B76FA.792B3E94@iws-irms.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk one way to do it is to use either graphicx.sty (latex) or graphicx.tex (plain). Both manage the PNG image directly (which is also very doable by hand by looking example.tex) and include PDF by using hans hagen's context module supp-pdf.tex. In both cases, graphicx is able te find the BBox and do the scaling etc. itself, which is rather nice. It also handles directly metapost output (under the name MPS). It will work with a PDF file if it is not compressed and has one stream and does not use fonts. Cheers, Thierry From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 20 14:53:48 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14144 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20285 for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:24:12 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20282 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:24:10 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28663; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:24:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15995; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:24:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804202024.WAA15995@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: partial font downloading In-Reply-To: <199804201650.SAA14254@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> from Ulrik Vieth at "Apr 20, 98 06:50:15 pm" To: vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (Ulrik Vieth) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:24:09 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > > I've recently had some discussion with Berthold Horn of Y&Y about > the licensing issues of using pdfTeX-generated files with partial > font downloading of commercial fonts and provided a sample PDF file > to pick apart: > > http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~vieth/src/eps-proc.pdf > > (This file was generated with pdfTeX-0.12 from teTeX-0.9-980318.) > > While the file appears to preview and print fine, he pointed out that > there is still a problem with the information that gets extracted > into the downloaded font. Since we're talking about an extra null > character (which normally indicates the end of a string in C library > functions), I'd guess that the problem is related to an off-by-one > error in some string copying function. thanks for the report. This problem has been known and fixed from pdftex-0.12i. Regards, Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 21 02:05:03 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA23120 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA23122 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:57:45 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23119 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:57:43 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:57:40 -0400 Received: from d-waller (ld42-164.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.22.164]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id DAA12728; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804210757.DAA12728@hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "David Waller" To: "Glauber Ribeiro" , "pdftex" Subject: Re: Including graphics in PDF Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:57:53 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk To include PNG files I use the following: \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} \begin{document} \DeclareGraphicsExtensions{.pdf,.png} \includegraphics{file} You can also scale the image by \includegraphics[width=\textwidth]{file} See the documentation available for graphicx for fuller details. I haven't yet tried to include MetaPost diagrams, I believe you need the ConTeXt packages for this. Dave Waller ---------- > From: Glauber Ribeiro > To: pdftex > Subject: Including graphics in PDF > Date: 20 April 1998 17:37 > > Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org > Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) > by dub-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id MAA17603; > Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:37:13 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (from daemon@localhost) > by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19256 > for pdftex-list; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:27:25 -0400 > Received: from socks.ubsinc.com (socks.ubsinc.com [207.152.88.2]) > by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19253 > for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:27:22 -0400 > Received: from iws-irms.com (sabuguinho.146.179.198.in-addr.arpa [198.179.146.243]) > by socks.ubsinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31269 > for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:27:25 -0500 > Message-ID: <353B76FA.792B3E94@iws-irms.com> > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:25:30 -0500 > From: Glauber Ribeiro > Organization: Integrated Warehousing Solutions http://www.iws-irms.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: pdftex > Subject: Including graphics in PDF > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org > Precedence: bulk > > Hello, > > Could someone summarize briefly how to include graphics in a pdf > document generated with pdf(la)tex? > > How can i include: > > (1) A PNG file > > (2) Metapost output > > (3) A PDF file created with distiller or PDF writer, containg a graphic > (if this thing is even possible) > > > Thank you, again, > > > Glauber > > -- > Glauber Ribeiro --- IWS > mailto://glauber@iws-irms.com > http://www.iws-irms.com From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 21 09:10:30 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05836 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24882 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:00:45 -0400 Received: from monika.univ.gda.pl (monika.univ.gda.pl [153.19.1.229]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24860 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:57:39 -0400 Received: by monika.univ.gda.pl (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA27804; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:55:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:55:43 +0200 (METDST) From: Tomasz Przechlewski To: PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: Type42 In-Reply-To: <980417160654.84c5@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello, The following problem is not related directy to pdftex program but rather to PDF/Acrobat. I am testing a ghostscript based utility to convert truetype fonts to type 42. The result of the conversion is an afm file and type42 file usable with dvips. The PS file containing these fonts is displayed and printed with ghostscript as well as distilled with Acrobat without any errors. However when resulting PDF file is displayed with acrobat reader the glyphs are not displayed at all. Each character is displayed as a rectangle instead. Any suggestions where the problem is? On request I can post more info/stuff in question to interested individual. --tomek przechlewski From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 21 10:36:47 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09124 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25336 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:29:56 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25332 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:29:35 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27399; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:29:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA19905; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:33:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:33:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804211633.SAA19905@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: Tomasz Przechlewski Cc: PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: Re: Type42 In-Reply-To: References: <980417160654.84c5@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Type42 », Tomasz Przechlewski écrit : « humm, as TTF is natively suported by pdftex, why bother if your tools do work? PS this is a good idea, i have had many requests for that feature (windows users, especially...) Th. Bouche From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 21 10:54:58 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09896 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25408 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:46:53 -0400 Received: from sfi.santafe.edu (sfi.santafe.edu [192.12.12.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25405 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:46:51 -0400 Received: from pele by sfi.santafe.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20757; Tue, 21 Apr 98 10:42:22 MDT Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:42:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Tim Carlson X-Sender: tim@pele To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: missing font question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I have a latex file that I want to run pdflatex on and I get the following error: pdflatex dod.tex This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-0.12h (Web2C 7.2) (pdftex.cfg) (dod.tex LaTeX2e <1997/12/01> patch level 2 (/opt/TeX/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/slides.cls Document Class: slides 1997/08/15 v2.3z Standard LaTeX document class (/opt/TeX/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/slides.def hacks, slides, picture, mods, output, init) (/opt/TeX/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/sfonts.def (/opt/TeX/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/ot1lcmss.fd))) (dod.aux) (/opt/TeX/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/omllcmm.fd) (/opt/TeX/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/omslcmsy.fd) (/opt/TeX/lib/texmf/tex/latex/base/omxlcmex.fd) [1 ! Error: pdflatex: Font lcmss8 not found in map files And I cant find that particular latex font in any of the encoding or map files of pdftex... Any ideas? TIA Tim Carlson Voice: (505) 984-8800x255 Systems Manager: Santa Fe Institute Fax: (505) 982-0565 WWW: http://www.santafe.edu/~tim Email: tim@santafe.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 21 12:56:13 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14267 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25970 for pdftex-list; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:50:32 -0400 Received: from ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu [152.17.150.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25966 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:50:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (cottrell@localhost) by ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id OAA10142; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:47:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:47:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell To: Tim Carlson cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: missing font question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Tim Carlson wrote: > ! Error: pdflatex: > Font lcmss8 not found in map files > > And I cant find that particular latex font in any of the encoding or map > files of pdftex... Any ideas? It's not there is my versions either. A minimal pdftex.map line that might work: lcmss8 LCMSS8 4 ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07589; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:11:03 -0500 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:08:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07421; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:08:25 -0500 From: "Luke Michael Muszkiewicz" To: Subject: Re: [PDFdev] Read-Only FDF Specification Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:12:52 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd6d59$7b891420$516d729e@inet_1.hln.bdm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-pdfdev@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdfdev@lists.pdfzone.com X-Sender: Emerge 800-829-2459 How do you set the read-only property within the FDF file so you can still import the data from the FDF? OR, is there another way to designate a PDF as a read-only AFTER form data has been imported? Thanks, -luke -----Original Message----- From: Roberto Perelman To: pdfdev@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [PDFdev] To form or not to form . . . >> 3. One more point (nitpicking) - The look and feel of a read-only form >> file isn't exactly like a flat file, because if you click in the form >> fields, they still turn into input boxes (i.e., switch to courier font >> and show an input cursor), even though they don't let you type anything. >> This is likely to cause confusion for some users. > >I didn't say to make the file read-only. I said to make the individual fields >read-only. Read-only is a property that you can set in the field properties >dialog. > >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >+ PDFdev is sponsored by EMERGE, the Acrobat PDF Specialists + >+ Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://emerge.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html + >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ + PDFdev is sponsored by EMERGE, the Acrobat PDF Specialists + + Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://emerge.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 22 04:03:37 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00452 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 04:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA29702 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:54:57 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA29699 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:54:42 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25229; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:54:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14666; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:54:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804220954.LAA14666@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: pftex 's arrays In-Reply-To: <199804171445.QAA00040@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> from Thierry Bouche at "Apr 17, 98 04:45:35 pm" To: Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (Thierry Bouche) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:54:36 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi Thierry, > pdftex has many hard-wired array sizes. Could it be possible to use > the web2c method to be able to modify them from the texmf.cnf file? > > I think of > > - number of enc files (i hit the limit a while ago, this never > happened again) it shouldn't happen again. Enc files handling is rewritten to C now. > - buffer length for type 1 fonts (the font Staccato222BT-Regular from > Bitstream cannot be used) the simplest solution is to increase T1_BUF_SIZE in writet1.c. The current value is 1024. I don't consider its dynamic allocation necessary. > - trying to compile a nice PDF file with an example line for all the > type 1 fonts installed on my system, after having enlarged some > constants so that tex can accomplish its work, i get this one: > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [PDF virtual packet max=20000] I'm working on it now. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 22 10:40:09 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12048 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA31338 for pdftex-list; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:32:15 -0400 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be (ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be [193.190.253.36]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA31335 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:32:11 -0400 Received: (from henk@localhost) by ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA18415; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:32:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:32:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Henk Neuckermans Reply-To: Henk Neuckermans To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: postscript error with cm italics? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've installed pdfLaTeX 0.12f and the Type1 substitutes for the CM fonts >From BlueSky/YandY. When having processed a document through it, I have no trouble viewing it with acroread (linux/win/mac). My problem occurs when I'm trying to print to a PostScript printer: the whole job dies due to a `postscript error'. When trying to print single pages or ranges of pages, the job succeeds under the condition that there are no pages with italics in it. The problem is likely when I'm trying to view the document with GhostScript(/Ghostview) : the first pages are displayed correctly, but when italics are encountered, GS stops and doesn't read further input. Having translated the document to PostScript (cat doc.pdf | acroread -toPostScript), GS reads the whole document, but can't display the pages with italics in it (giving an error code). Is there something wrong with my fonts? Should I upgrade first? H E N K Neuckermans henk@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be --------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 23 02:01:14 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00674 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA02538 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:55:44 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02535 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:55:39 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02038; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:55:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02277; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:55:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804230755.JAA02277@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: postscript error with cm italics? In-Reply-To: from Henk Neuckermans at "Apr 22, 98 06:32:07 pm" To: henk@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:55:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I've installed pdfLaTeX 0.12f and the Type1 substitutes for the CM fonts > from BlueSky/YandY. > When having processed a document through it, I have no trouble viewing it > with acroread (linux/win/mac). > > My problem occurs when I'm trying to print to a PostScript printer: the > whole job dies due to a `postscript error'. > When trying to print single pages or ranges of pages, the job succeeds > under the condition that there are no pages with italics in it. > > The problem is likely when I'm trying to view the document with > GhostScript(/Ghostview) : the first pages are displayed correctly, but > when italics are encountered, GS stops and doesn't read further input. > Having translated the document to PostScript (cat doc.pdf | acroread > -toPostScript), GS reads the whole document, but can't display the pages > with italics in it (giving an error code). > > Is there something wrong with my fonts? Should I upgrade first? can you please try the latest version (0.12i)? I've fixed some problems with T1 fonts. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 23 08:19:00 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10610 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03926 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:55:43 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03923 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:55:39 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05566; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:55:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06427; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:55:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804231355.PAA06427@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: T3 testing To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen), taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl (Taco Hoekwater) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:55:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello Hans and Taco, I've put on the latest (DOS) version of pdftex on my home site (.../pdftex-testing/unreleased/pdftex.zip). There is also a zip archive t.zip containing the latest test files. Try to view t.pdf with GS (don't forget to turn on antialias). Can you please have a look at csr10.pgc to see the syntax of pgc. The most important change is a line at the begining saying `\pdffontscale 1000'. I've also change my mfplain to generate mp output with mag=100, but I don't know how to round the numbers yet. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 23 09:10:01 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12424 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04198 for pdftex-list; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:03:46 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04195 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:03:41 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl30.pi.net [145.220.204.30]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA11974; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:03:23 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:03:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <353F574A.CD0EF64D@pi.net> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:59:22 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Han The Thanh CC: Taco Hoekwater , PDFTEX Subject: Re: T3 testing References: <199804231355.PAA06427@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Han The Thanh wrote: > Can you please have a look at csr10.pgc to see the syntax of pgc. The most > important change is a line at the begining saying `\pdffontscale 1000'. I've also > change my mfplain to generate mp output with mag=100, but I don't know how to round > the numbers yet. I'll do the rounding in perl/tex. That way we're sure that things are ok. I can also do the multiplication there. Indeed 100? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 24 01:20:04 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25726 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA08190 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:12:52 -0400 Received: from pop1.gmx.net (pop1.gmx.net [194.97.64.131]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA08187 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:12:49 -0400 From: colin.marquardt@gmx.net Received: (qmail 29301 invoked by uid 65534); 24 Apr 1998 07:12:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:12:45 +0200 (MEST) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: hyperref warning and reluctant links X-Authenticated-Sender: colin.marquardt@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [194.120.191.3] Message-Id: <29287.893401965@www.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 0.95 (Global Message Exchange) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I get the following warning message with my document when using pdfTeX 0.12i and hyperref 6.19: Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier already exists! [1] The topic came up on this list a few weeks ago, and Sebastian wrote that pdfTeX 0.12g (then current) would behave better. The message alone wouldn't bother me, but I also cannot access the second half (or so) tables with hyperlinks from my List Of Tables (the LOT shows the links but they don't get me anywhere). It might be that both things are unrelated, but ... It worked with pdfTeX 0.11 and hyperref 6.13 (orwhatwasit). A short document (with my re-defined appendix command from the Companion) shows the warning: % --------------------------------------------------------------------- \documentclass{article} \pdfoutput=1 \pdfcompresslevel=9 \renewcommand{\appendix}{% s.S. 29, LaTeX-Begleiter \pagenumbering{roman} \renewcommand{\section}{% \newpage% \secdef\Appendix\sAppendix}% \setcounter{section}{0}% \renewcommand{\thesection}{\Alph{section}} \setcounter{topnumber}{20} \setcounter{bottomnumber}{0} \setcounter{totalnumber}{20} \renewcommand{\topfraction}{1} \renewcommand{\bottomfraction}{0} \renewcommand{\textfraction}{0} } \newcommand{\nohyphens}{\hyphenpenalty=10000% \exhyphenpenalty=10000\relax} \newcommand{\Appendix}[2][?]{% \refstepcounter{section}% \addcontentsline{toc}{section}% {\protect\numberline{\thesection} #1}% {\flushright\large\bfseries\appendixname\ % \thesection\par\nohyphens\flushleft#2\par}% \sectionmark{#1}\vspace{\baselineskip}} \newcommand{\sAppendix}[1]{% {\flushright\large\bfseries\appendixname\par% \nohyphens\flushleft#1\par}% \vspace{\baselineskip}} \usepackage[pdftex]{hyperref} \begin{document} \section{A Section in the running text} Some Text. % the warning doesn't occur without the following \newpage !!!!!!!!!!!! \newpage \appendix \section{A Section in the Appendix} Some Text. \end{document} % --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, I couldn't produce a short example with the not-working hyperref's. Sooooo... what now? Cheers, Colin --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 24 05:58:12 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08265 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09189 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:49:17 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09186 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:49:15 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA04985; hop 0; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:44:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:49:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:49:20 +0100 Message-ID: <596-Fri24Apr1998004920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 I) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: fixing nasty fonts Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk we have some home-grown symbols fonts here which pdfted rejects ("unexpected end of file"). I'd be interested in hearing experiences of fixing such fonts from anyone.... What are the typical things used which pdftex dislikes? sebastian From TACO.HOEKWATER@wkap.nl Fri Apr 24 06:12:24 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk (root@rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk [139.184.48.12]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA08582 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2] by rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yShEa-00030E-00; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:05:40 +0100 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SN-SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:07:10 +0200 Received: from id034.wkap.nl by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.1-4 #29553) with ESMTP id <01IW90O7III80008PY@wkap.nl> for math-font-discuss@cogs.susx.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:07:08 +0100 Received: from PC377.WKAP.NL by ID034.WKAP.NL (PMDF V5.1-9 #29552) with SMTP id <01IW90O5TK2O8Y4X2T@ID034.WKAP.NL> for math-font-discuss@cogs.susx.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:07:04 +0000 ([+0200]) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:08:33 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Announce -- updated Type 1 versions of fonts Sender: TACO.HOEKWATER@wkap.nl To: math-font-discuss@cogs.susx.ac.uk, metafont@ens.fr, pdftex@tug.org Reply-to: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Priority: NORMAL X-Authentication: none Hello everybody, I just uploaded 4 zipfiles to dante.de: wasy2.zip rsfs.zip stmaryrd.zip logo.zip The zips contain updates of the converted Type 1 (PostScript) outlines of the respective fonts (version 1.001, various bugfixes) Included are: rsfs{5,7,10} wasy{5,7,10,b10} stmary{5,7,10} logo{8,9,10,bf10,sl10} /* with P and S */ Suggested locations: in subfolders "ps-type1/hoekwater" of the respective metafont fonts (the zip files are set up this way). And would you please delete the ones that are under wasy/ps-type1/hoekwater ? Turns out it was wasy2 all along. Thanks & keep up the good work, Taco Hoekwater and here is the README file: Hi there, This directory contains a Type 1 version of (some of) the Metafont sources from the directory above. The pfb files are intended to be used with the original TFM files, _don't_ run finst or afmtotfm on the afm files! The afm and pfm files are provided just in case you want to install the files on your windowing system. I'm sorry for the Macintosh users amongst you, but I don't know how to create the MacType1 files. The fonts should give exactly the same output results as the .mf originals, up to the point of sillyness. All bugs in the metafont sources have been kept (and there might be new ones). Files are herewith donated to the public domain, and provided as is. Note that I feel that the copyright >From the metafont sources still applies, my only statement here is that I do not impose extra restrictions. Conversion process: .mf -> metapost (c) Hobby -> .eps .eps -> metafog (c) Kinch -> .pfb .pfb -> hinted & touched up with FontLab v3.0c More fonts should follow in the next few months. I can be reached for propositions/bugs at: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Greetings, Taco Hoekwater From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 24 07:43:52 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10314 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09271 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:07:17 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl (relay.surfnet.nl [192.87.36.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09268 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:07:15 -0400 Received: from wkaxp1.wkap.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SN-SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:07:08 +0200 Received: from id034.wkap.nl by wkap.nl (PMDF V5.1-4 #29553) with ESMTP id <01IW90O7III80008PY@wkap.nl> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:07:06 +0100 Received: from PC377.WKAP.NL by ID034.WKAP.NL (PMDF V5.1-9 #29552) with SMTP id <01IW90O5TK2O8Y4X2T@ID034.WKAP.NL> for pdftex@tug.org; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:07:04 +0000 ([+0200]) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:08:33 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time) From: Taco Hoekwater Subject: Announce -- updated Type 1 versions of fonts To: math-font-discuss@cogs.susx.ac.uk, metafont@ens.fr, pdftex@tug.org Reply-to: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Authentication: none Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hello everybody, I just uploaded 4 zipfiles to dante.de: wasy2.zip rsfs.zip stmaryrd.zip logo.zip The zips contain updates of the converted Type 1 (PostScript) outlines of the respective fonts (version 1.001, various bugfixes) Included are: rsfs{5,7,10} wasy{5,7,10,b10} stmary{5,7,10} logo{8,9,10,bf10,sl10} /* with P and S */ Suggested locations: in subfolders "ps-type1/hoekwater" of the respective metafont fonts (the zip files are set up this way). And would you please delete the ones that are under wasy/ps-type1/hoekwater ? Turns out it was wasy2 all along. Thanks & keep up the good work, Taco Hoekwater and here is the README file: Hi there, This directory contains a Type 1 version of (some of) the Metafont sources from the directory above. The pfb files are intended to be used with the original TFM files, _don't_ run finst or afmtotfm on the afm files! The afm and pfm files are provided just in case you want to install the files on your windowing system. I'm sorry for the Macintosh users amongst you, but I don't know how to create the MacType1 files. The fonts should give exactly the same output results as the .mf originals, up to the point of sillyness. All bugs in the metafont sources have been kept (and there might be new ones). Files are herewith donated to the public domain, and provided as is. Note that I feel that the copyright >From the metafont sources still applies, my only statement here is that I do not impose extra restrictions. Conversion process: .mf -> metapost (c) Hobby -> .eps .eps -> metafog (c) Kinch -> .pfb .pfb -> hinted & touched up with FontLab v3.0c More fonts should follow in the next few months. I can be reached for propositions/bugs at: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Greetings, Taco Hoekwater From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 24 07:43:54 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10317 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA08976 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:47:58 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08973 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:47:57 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:47:58 -0400 Received: from d-waller (ld05-026.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.4.26]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id GAA09903 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804241047.GAA09903@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "David Waller" To: "pdftex" Subject: checksum mismatch Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:47:16 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi I have the following problem. When using \usepackage{pslatex} I get the following checksum error messages checksum mismatch in local font psyr in virtual font zpzccmry.vf was ignored. This repeats for pzcmi8r and ptmr8r as well and only happens when \pdfoutput=1 is in use. I have downloaded the relevant fonts etc from CTAN again so I don't believe this is the problem. Is this a sign that I need to upgrade to the latest version of pdftex. I am currently running at version 0.11 and web2c version 7.0 Thanks Dave Waller From "Ulrik Vieth " Fri Apr 24 07:51:42 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk (root@rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk [139.184.48.12]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10536 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:48:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xerxes.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de) [134.99.64.10] by rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0ySiMT-0005fC-00; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:17:53 +0100 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de) by thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27790; Fri, 24 Apr 98 15:20:40 +0200 Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22583; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:18:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:18:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199804241318.PAA22583@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Cc: math-font-discuss@cogs.susx.ac.uk, metafont@ens.fr, pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: (message from Taco Hoekwater on Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:08:33 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time)) Subject: Re: Announce -- updated Type 1 versions of fonts From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Taco Hoekwater writes: > I just uploaded 4 zipfiles to dante.de: > wasy2.zip > rsfs.zip > stmaryrd.zip > logo.zip > The zips contain updates of the converted Type 1 (PostScript) outlines > of the respective fonts (version 1.001, various bugfixes) > Included are: rsfs{5,7,10} > wasy{5,7,10,b10} > stmary{5,7,10} > logo{8,9,10,bf10,sl10} /* with P and S */ Hi Taco, thank you very much for your work, especially for the new logo fonts. Speaking as the maintainer of the "mflogo" LaTeX package, I welcome the addition of freely-available logo fonts in Type 1 format, but I'm a little worried about the fact that the logo font set still remains a little incomplete, lacking the logo{sl8,sl9,d10} shapes. Two questions: a) what to do about logo{sl8,sl9}? Since these are slanted versions, i.e. transformations of the upright version logo{8,9}, I suppose it should be possible to get away by faking them with "0.25 SlantFont" in psfonts.map and pdftex.map, so there's no real problem about their absence. Of course, it would be nice to have them as real fonts, but we can work around this with a suitable map file (see below). b) what to do about logod10? Since this is a demibold version, which is not only narrower, but also lighter than logobf10, it is not possible to fake it. The best we probably could do is to approximate the metrics by a condensed version of logobf10 with "0.913 ExtendFont" (ratio of 21/23 determined from the METAFONT sources), but this is only a quick and dirty hack as a stop-gap solution. Would it be too much to ask you about adding logod10 as well, or should I consider adding a pdftex option to mflogo.sty, so as to use a different version of ulogo.fd in that case? Given the simplicity of the design of the MF logo, I suppose the conversion shouldn't be too difficult, or am I mistaken? Cheers, Ulrik. Suggested psfonts.map / pdftex.map file entries follow: logo8 LOGO8 ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09534 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:14:37 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09531 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:14:26 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12094; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:13:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17652; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:13:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804241313.PAA17652@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: checksum mismatch In-Reply-To: <199804241047.GAA09903@hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> from David Waller at "Apr 24, 98 11:47:16 am" To: DWaller1@csi.com (David Waller) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:13:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > I have the following problem. > When using \usepackage{pslatex} I get the following checksum error messages > > checksum mismatch in local font psyr in virtual font zpzccmry.vf was > ignored. > This repeats for pzcmi8r and ptmr8r as well and only happens when > \pdfoutput=1 is in use. > > I have downloaded the relevant fonts etc from CTAN again so I don't believe > this is the problem. Is this a sign that I need to upgrade to the latest > version of pdftex. I am currently running at version 0.11 and web2c version > 7.0 this problem has been fixed by Lemberg Wener from version 0.12h. Please update your binary Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 24 09:05:48 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13384 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09560 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:20:18 -0400 Received: from thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de ([134.99.64.10]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09557 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:20:16 -0400 Received: from attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (attila.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de) by thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27790; Fri, 24 Apr 98 15:20:40 +0200 Received: by attila.uni-duesseldorf.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22583; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:18:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:18:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199804241318.PAA22583@attila.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: taco.hoekwater@wkap.nl Cc: math-font-discuss@cogs.susx.ac.uk, metafont@ens.fr, pdftex@tug.org In-Reply-To: (message from Taco Hoekwater on Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:08:33 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time)) Subject: Re: Announce -- updated Type 1 versions of fonts From: Ulrik Vieth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Taco Hoekwater writes: > I just uploaded 4 zipfiles to dante.de: > wasy2.zip > rsfs.zip > stmaryrd.zip > logo.zip > The zips contain updates of the converted Type 1 (PostScript) outlines > of the respective fonts (version 1.001, various bugfixes) > Included are: rsfs{5,7,10} > wasy{5,7,10,b10} > stmary{5,7,10} > logo{8,9,10,bf10,sl10} /* with P and S */ Hi Taco, thank you very much for your work, especially for the new logo fonts. Speaking as the maintainer of the "mflogo" LaTeX package, I welcome the addition of freely-available logo fonts in Type 1 format, but I'm a little worried about the fact that the logo font set still remains a little incomplete, lacking the logo{sl8,sl9,d10} shapes. Two questions: a) what to do about logo{sl8,sl9}? Since these are slanted versions, i.e. transformations of the upright version logo{8,9}, I suppose it should be possible to get away by faking them with "0.25 SlantFont" in psfonts.map and pdftex.map, so there's no real problem about their absence. Of course, it would be nice to have them as real fonts, but we can work around this with a suitable map file (see below). b) what to do about logod10? Since this is a demibold version, which is not only narrower, but also lighter than logobf10, it is not possible to fake it. The best we probably could do is to approximate the metrics by a condensed version of logobf10 with "0.913 ExtendFont" (ratio of 21/23 determined from the METAFONT sources), but this is only a quick and dirty hack as a stop-gap solution. Would it be too much to ask you about adding logod10 as well, or should I consider adding a pdftex option to mflogo.sty, so as to use a different version of ulogo.fd in that case? Given the simplicity of the design of the MF logo, I suppose the conversion shouldn't be too difficult, or am I mistaken? Cheers, Ulrik. Suggested psfonts.map / pdftex.map file entries follow: logo8 LOGO8 ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10840 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:43:48 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10837 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:43:47 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl34.pi.net [145.220.204.34]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA24097; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:43:12 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:43:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3540CE4D.EFBB60B2@pi.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:39:25 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: colin.marquardt@gmx.net CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: hyperref warning and reluctant links References: <29287.893401965@www.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk colin.marquardt@gmx.net wrote: > I get the following warning message with my document when using pdfTeX > 0.12i and hyperref 6.19: > > Warning (ext1): destination with the same identifier already exists! [1] > > The topic came up on this list a few weeks ago, and Sebastian wrote > that pdfTeX 0.12g (then current) would behave better. This has nothing to do with pdftex, you(r macropackage) must check this. In itself duplicate destinations do not blow exchange cs. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Fri Apr 24 12:50:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22414 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10859 for pdftex-list; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:47:05 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10856 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:47:01 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl34.pi.net [145.220.204.34]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA24067; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:43:09 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:43:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3540CD49.FBAAA4E4@pi.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:35:05 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: fixing nasty fonts References: <596-Fri24Apr1998004920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > we have some home-grown symbols fonts here which pdfted rejects > ("unexpected end of file"). I'd be interested in hearing experiences > of fixing such fonts from anyone.... What are the typical things used > which pdftex dislikes? What goes wrong? The pfb files? I recognize this message from invalid map files. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 25 05:35:31 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07580 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 05:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14481 for pdftex-list; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:29:14 -0400 Received: from ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be (ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be [193.190.253.36]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14478 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:29:11 -0400 Received: (from henk@localhost) by ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA11264; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:29:09 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:29:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Henk Neuckermans To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Type1 pfa with Macintosh Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I've upgraded to 0.12i. I processed my document with the Times font which is in the acroread linux distribution, not a real pfb as listed in the mapfiles, but an ascii file. It does the job very well. The only problem seems to be displaying the document on Macintosh. Mac substitutes the included Type1 fonts with TrueType fonts with the same name he finds in the system. There seems to be an encoding conflict, because special characters as ligatures are displayed incorrectly. After disabling the TrueType Times fonts on the system, acroread uses the AdobeSansMM Type1 instead. Most characters are now well displayed, except the ligatures. H E N K Neuckermans henk@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be --------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sat Apr 25 17:35:31 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23103 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16881 for pdftex-list; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:25:10 -0400 Received: from ha1.rdc1.md.home.com (ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16878 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:25:08 -0400 Received: from cc240476-a.hwrd1.md.home.com ([24.3.20.103]) by ha1.rdc1.md.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA3355 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:25:07 -0700 From: jeffmcarthur@home.com (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Looking for an extra large version of PDFTeX for Win95 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:25:19 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Reply-To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Message-ID: <35456f92.1702123@mail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.org id TAA16879 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I am in need of an extra larger version of PDFTeX for Win95. The version I have has a memory space of 263000 words. I need one with approximately twice that. If I comment out the PDFTeX stuff, and run it through an older copy of Y&Y's TeX, the pages typeset. But I am doing some "unusual" things with boxes that excede the capacity of the implementation of PDFTeX that I have. Would some kind soul compile a Win95 executable for me with a larger memory space. I have not installed all the needed compilers and such. Speaking of such, has anyone compiled PDFTeX using Borland's newest C+ compiler? I may be getting a copy of that. Jeffrey M\kern-.05em\raise.5ex\hbox{\b c}\kern-.05emArthur a.k.a. Jeffrey McArthur ATLIS Publishing Services jeffmcarthur@home.com jmcarth@atlis.com http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/ Visit Tiglath, a Bronze Age D&D world http://members.home.net/jeffmcarthur/Jeffrey/DandD/Dandd.htm From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 26 13:53:48 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07604 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21263 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:49:36 -0400 Received: from mailhost.club-internet.fr (ns2.grolier.fr [194.158.97.67]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21260 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:49:33 -0400 Received: from gabuzo.meunet (root@ppp-115-62.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.115.62]) by mailhost.club-internet.fr (8.8.8/MGC-970630-No_Relay) with ESMTP id VAA16928; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:49:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from moi@localhost) by gabuzo.meunet (8.8.7/8.8.7/Christophe Labouisse d'après Denis BRAUSSEN - 15/mar/98') id VAA00135; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:38:15 +0200 To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: fixing nasty fonts References: <596-Fri24Apr1998004920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: Christophe Labouisse Date: 26 Apr 1998 21:38:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk's message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:49:20 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) writes: > we have some home-grown symbols fonts here which pdfted rejects > ("unexpected end of file"). I'd be interested in hearing experiences > of fixing such fonts from anyone.... What are the typical things used > which pdftex dislikes? I here mine. I tryed to use the Syntax font provided with the book « Digital type design guide » (a font from URW) and I get a unexpected end of file. I investigate and I finally discover that this font starts with : FontDirectory/Syntax-Bold known{/Syntax-Bold findfont dup/UniqueID known{dup /UniqueID get 5070168 eq exch/FontType get 1 eq and}{pop false}ifelse {save true}{false}ifelse}{false}ifelse and therefore ends with : cleartomark{restore}if In writet1.c pdftex seems to look for « cleartomark » as a suffix so it should not work in this case. I just made a quick fix (hack) by changing the t1_prefix("cleartomark") by strstr(t1_line,"cleartomark"). I didn't test it to much but it seems to solve my problem. Cheers -- Christophe Labouisse : Cinéma, typographie, Unix labouiss@club-internet.fr http://gabuzo.home.ml.org/ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 26 20:38:45 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16717 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA22601 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:35:56 -0400 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22598 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:35:50 -0400 Received: from comexch.auckland.ac.nz (comexch.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.96.114]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.5/8.7.3-ua) with ESMTP id OAA22243 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:35:37 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199804270235.OAA22243@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Received: by comexch.auckland.ac.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2CADRTYH>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:41:06 +1200 From: "Hillas, John" To: "'pdftex mailing list'" Subject: Using a \tiny r in an AMS document with pdflatex Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:39:08 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Using pdftex version 0.12h from the web2c for WIN32 I find a problem using a \tiny r. The pdf file views properly under Acrobat (but not under ghostscript) but printing using a postscript driver does not work. (I've tried drivers for HP LaserJet 4Si/4SiMXPS Apple LaserWriter II NT v47.0.) Nor can one view the resulting files using Ghostscript. The problem disappears if any of the following changes are made 1. use article style instead of amsart (there are also the same problems with amsbook) 2. use any letter other than lower case r 3. use any size other than \tiny. I'll include a small test file here. If the ghostscript error messages or other details of my system seem relevant I can post those. Any help would be most appreciated. John Hillas test.tex \documentclass[a4paper]{amsart} %change amsart to article and the problem disappears \pdfoutput=1 \pdfpagewidth=210mm \pdfpageheight=297mm \begin{document} \tiny % change \tiny to any other size and the problem disappears r % change lower case r to any other letter (including upper case R) % and the problem disappears \end{document} From owner-pdftex@tug.org Sun Apr 26 20:58:04 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17154 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA22678 for pdftex-list; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:56:46 -0400 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22675 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:56:41 -0400 Received: from comexch.auckland.ac.nz (comexch.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.96.114]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.5/8.7.3-ua) with ESMTP id OAA24994 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:56:33 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199804270256.OAA24994@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> Received: by comexch.auckland.ac.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2CADRTZR>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:02:02 +1200 From: "Hillas, John" To: "'pdftex mailing list'" Subject: Using a \tiny r in an AMS document with pdflatex Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:00:16 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sorry if this comes twice. I realised after sending it the first time that my address book was out of date. Using pdftex version 0.12h from the web2c for WIN32 I find a problem using a \tiny r. The pdf file views properly under Acrobat (but not under ghostscript) but printing using a postscript driver does not work. (I've tried drivers for HP LaserJet 4Si/4SiMXPS Apple LaserWriter II NT v47.0.) Nor can one view the resulting files using Ghostscript. The problem disappears if any of the following changes are made 1. use article style instead of amsart (there are also the same problems with amsbook) 2. use any letter other than lower case r 3. use any size other than \tiny. I'll include a small test file here. If the ghostscript error messages or other details of my system seem relevant I can post those. Any help would be most appreciated. John Hillas test.tex \documentclass[a4paper]{amsart} %change amsart to article and the problem disappears \pdfoutput=1 \pdfpagewidth=210mm \pdfpageheight=297mm \begin{document} \tiny % change \tiny to any other size and the problem disappears r % change lower case r to any other letter (including upper case R) % and the problem disappears \end{document} From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 01:49:37 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA11400 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA23819 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:44:48 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23816 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:44:43 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19225; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:44:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16284; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:44:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804270744.JAA16284@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Using a \tiny r in an AMS document with pdflatex In-Reply-To: <199804270235.OAA22243@mailhost.auckland.ac.nz> from "Hillas, John" at "Apr 27, 98 02:39:08 pm" To: j.hillas@auckland.ac.nz (Hillas, John) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:44:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > Using pdftex version 0.12h from the web2c for WIN32 I find a problem > using a \tiny r. > The pdf file views properly under Acrobat (but not under ghostscript) > but printing using a postscript driver does not work. > (I've tried drivers for > HP LaserJet 4Si/4SiMXPS > Apple LaserWriter II NT v47.0.) > Nor can one view the resulting files using Ghostscript. > > The problem disappears if any of the following changes are made > 1. use article style instead of amsart (there are also the same > problems with amsbook) > 2. use any letter other than lower case r > 3. use any size other than \tiny. > > I'll include a small test file here. If the ghostscript error messages > or > other details of my system seem relevant I can post those. Any help > would > be most appreciated. I've tried to run pdflatex on your test file. I've not tried to print it, but viewing by GS is ok. Can you send me your log file as well as the pdf output? Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 02:49:35 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14990 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24062 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:44:49 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24059 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:44:47 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA09429; hop 0; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:40:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:44:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:20:44 +0100 Message-ID: <6342-Sun26Apr1998212044+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: fixing nasty fonts In-Reply-To: <3540CD49.FBAAA4E4@pi.net> References: <596-Fri24Apr1998004920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <3540CD49.FBAAA4E4@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > we have some home-grown symbols fonts here which pdfted rejects > > ("unexpected end of file"). I'd be interested in hearing experiences > > of fixing such fonts from anyone.... What are the typical things used > > which pdftex dislikes? > > What goes wrong? The pfb files? I recognize this message from invalid > map files. > its the pfb files. following a hint in a message from Ulrik, I found that when I dissassembled, edited, and re-assembled the font, it worked. ie writet1.c looks for "dup /CharStrings" and I had "dup/CharStrings". Once you know what to look for, its easy.... I also had to increase T1_BUF_SIZE to 2048 in writet1.c for one font - Thanh, is there any problem with increasing that in a future version of pdftex? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 03:06:54 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15365 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24121 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:58:20 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24118 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:58:18 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl27.pi.net [145.220.204.27]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA01903; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:58:11 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:58:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35443277.EE6A4D7F@pi.net> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:23:35 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeffmcarthur@home.com CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Looking for an extra large version of PDFTeX for Win95 References: <35456f92.1702123@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > I am in need of an extra larger version of PDFTeX for Win95. The > version I have has a memory space of 263000 words. I need one with > approximately twice that. Search on your machine for the file 'texmf.cnf'. In this file you can set the values without recompiling binaries. The file contains documentation. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 03:21:48 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15753 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA24197 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:15:43 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24194 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:15:42 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA10431; hop 0; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:11:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:15:30 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:48:42 +0100 Message-ID: <5226-Sun26Apr1998214842+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: jeffmcarthur@home.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Looking for an extra large version of PDFTeX for Win95 In-Reply-To: <35456f92.1702123@mail> References: <35456f92.1702123@mail> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey McArthur writes: > > I am in need of an extra larger version of PDFTeX for Win95. The > version I have has a memory space of 263000 words. I need one with > approximately twice that. > you ought to be able to simply bump up the memory allocation in texmf.cnf. I use font_mem_size.hugetex = 400000 hash_extra.hugetex = 10000 main_memory.hugetex = 1100000 max_strings.hugetex = 55000 pool_size.hugetex = 500000 save_size.hugetex = 30000 string_vacancies.hugetex = 45000 for big jobs. replace "hugetex" with "pdftex" and you should be on track. rebuild the format file, of course. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 03:29:23 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15918 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA24219 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:20:47 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24216 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:20:39 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27883; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:20:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21924; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:20:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804270920.LAA21924@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: fixing nasty fonts In-Reply-To: <6342-Sun26Apr1998212044+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> from Sebastian Rahtz at "Apr 26, 98 09:20:44 pm" To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:20:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk > its the pfb files. following a hint in a message from Ulrik, I found > that when I dissassembled, edited, and re-assembled the font, it > worked. ie writet1.c looks for "dup /CharStrings" and I had > "dup/CharStrings". Once you know what to look for, its easy.... > > I also had to increase T1_BUF_SIZE to 2048 in writet1.c for one font - > Thanh, is there any problem with increasing that in a future version > of pdftex? I've increased it to 4096 in 0.12j version. I'm doing some tuning for PK font handling before I release this version Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 04:37:35 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA17326 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA24544 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:31:00 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24541 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:30:58 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id LAA12785; hop 0; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:26:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:30:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:30:16 +0100 Message-ID: <2032-Sun26Apr1998233016+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: who is s9755596@student.ouhk.edu.hk In-Reply-To: <199804271015.SAA26969@mailin.hkstar.com> References: <199804271015.SAA26969@mailin.hkstar.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Can any of you help me? Mail from this list always bounces at: > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > s9755596@student.ouhk.edu.hk > (expanded from: ) > ... > Reporting-MTA: dns; mailin.hkstar.com > Received-From-MTA: dns; w3health.com but the mail list does not have any entries for mailin.hkstar.com or w3health.com. is anyone maintaining any of these on a private list linked to pdftex? can anyone suggest how I track this down? its driving me mad. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 05:16:15 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18147 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA30144 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:12:04 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA30141 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:12:02 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA14289; hop 0; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:07:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:11:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:36:58 +0100 Message-ID: <5313-Sun26Apr1998233658+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 Q) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: "Web Publishing with Acrobat/PDF" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I just got a copy of this book, by Thomas Merz (Springer, ISBN 3-540-63762-1). I greatly commend it to people on this list (at least two of whom read parts of it in proof, as I did...). While it doesn't say much about TeX, it has lots of good stuff about forms, PDF-mangling by other programs, embedding PDF in HTML etc. If you have seen Merz' 1996 book about PostScript, you'll know he writes well, has an excellent design, and a good cartoonist. The companion CD has things like the forms updates on it. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 11:03:24 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29118 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA31556 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:47:04 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA31550 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:46:59 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl33.pi.net [145.220.204.33]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA28128; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:46:47 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:46:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3544B586.72CF3650@pi.net> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:42:46 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: metapost / pdf References: <199804271547.RAA03141@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fabrice POPINEAU wrote: > It seems that it fails parsing the bounding box in the file (or am I > wrong ?) If I put the bb into the arguments, it works. Did you say prologues:=1 in the mp source? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Mon Apr 27 10:05:06 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27664 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA31304 for pdftex-list; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:47:35 -0400 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31301 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:47:17 -0400 Received: from HAL9000.ese-metz.fr (ppp1.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.221]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03141 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:47:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:47:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804271547.RAA03141@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> From: Fabrice POPINEAU To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: metapost / pdf Reply-to: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I seem to have a problem including mp graphics into pdf. Even with the simplest test file, pdflatex keeps saying that : ! LaTeX Error: Cannot determine size of graphic in infoth_pic.1 (no size specifed). See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. Type H for immediate help. ... l.21 \includegraphics{infoth_pic.1} It seems that it fails parsing the bounding box in the file (or am I wrong ?) If I put the bb into the arguments, it works. Any help appreciated, Fabrice From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 03:27:09 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA08844 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA02491 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:14:01 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02488 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:13:58 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA08998; hop 0; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:09:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:13:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:35:10 +0100 Message-ID: <1148-Mon27Apr1998213510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: metapost / pdf In-Reply-To: <199804271547.RAA03141@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> References: <199804271547.RAA03141@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fabrice POPINEAU writes: > I seem to have a problem including mp graphics into pdf. Even with the > simplest test file, pdflatex keeps saying that : > > ! LaTeX Error: Cannot determine size of graphic in infoth_pic.1 > (no size specifed). > is this just that your file has a suffix of .1, and the graphics package expects a suffix to .mp to activate the boundingbox reading rule? try renaming to infoth.mp to see if this is true sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 05:04:44 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10762 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA02825 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:52:00 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02822 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:51:54 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28314 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:51:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id MAA00909; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:57:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:57:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804281057.MAA00909@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: metapost / pdf In-Reply-To: <199804281056.MAA00898@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <199804271547.RAA03141@esemetz.ese-metz.fr> <1148-Mon27Apr1998213510+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281056.MAA00898@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Concernant « Re: metapost / pdf », Sebastian Rahtz écrit : « » » Fabrice POPINEAU writes: » » > I seem to have a problem including mp graphics into pdf. Even with the » » > simplest test file, pdflatex keeps saying that : » » > » » > ! LaTeX Error: Cannot determine size of graphic in infoth_pic.1 » » > (no size specifed). » » > » » is this just that your file has a suffix of .1, and the graphics » » package expects a suffix to .mp to activate the boundingbox reading » » rule? try renaming to infoth.mp to see if this is true isn't it .mps ? From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 05:09:00 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10854 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02868 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:01:37 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02865 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:01:36 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id LAA13700; hop 0; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:57:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:01:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:57:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 Q) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: pdftex@tug.org cc: raman@adobe.com Subject: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk I would like to add support for Acrobat forms in hyperref (or more likely a separate module). I now (more or less) understand what to do, but the issue is markup. Does anyone have any strong views on what this markup should be? The problem is the tension between simply inserting raw PDF \pdfform{ /Subtype /Widget /F 4 /T (SL Text) /FT /Tx /DA (/Helv 14 Tf 0 0 1 rg ) /DV (Default value.) /V (Default value.) /ANN pdfmark } and something like \begin{Form} \Widget{type=Text,Font=phv,Size=10,Value={Default Value.}} \end{Form} where I have to define matching markup for all the myriad possibilities of forms (and the above is an easy one!). Also, forms elements have to have some matching space or decoration on the page. Hans Hagen very effectively uses Metapost for designing graphics on which he places form elements, but what would others use? To what extent do I need to predefine (either in PS or TeX) a set of useful graphics (like ticks and crosses)? Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 05:15:21 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10995 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:15:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02899 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:09:39 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02896 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:09:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:08:14 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980428120814.7b65@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> Does anyone have any strong views on what this markup should be? The >> problem is the tension between simply inserting raw PDF >> >> \pdfform{ >> /Subtype /Widget >> /F 4 >> /T (SL Text) >> /FT /Tx >> /DA (/Helv 14 Tf 0 0 1 rg ) >> /DV (Default value.) >> /V (Default value.) >> /ANN pdfmark >> } I can't see anyone (human) wanting to write this nonsense.. >> and something like >> >> \begin{Form} >> \Widget{type=Text,Font=phv,Size=10,Value={Default Value.}} >> \end{Form} whilst I could happily cope with that if fields that could be sensibly defaulted were... >> where I have to define matching markup for all the myriad >> possibilities of forms (and the above is an easy one!). I appreciate the difficulty! >> Also, forms elements have to have some matching space or decoration on >> the page. Hans Hagen very effectively uses Metapost for designing >> graphics on which he places form elements, but what would others use? >> To what extent do I need to predefine (either in PS or TeX) a set of >> useful graphics (like ticks and crosses)? Pass, but I look forwrd to others' comments. ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 05:36:22 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11436 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02967 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:24:49 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02964 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:24:47 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA14603; hop 0; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:20:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:24:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:20:22 +0100 Message-ID: <4406-Tue28Apr1998002022+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Cc: PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: RE: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <980428120814.7b65@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <980428120814.7b65@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) writes: > I can't see anyone (human) wanting to write this nonsense.. thats rich, coming from a TeXxie! > >> and something like > >> > >> \begin{Form} > >> \Widget{type=Text,Font=phv,Size=10,Value={Default Value.}} > >> \end{Form} > > whilst I could happily cope with that if fields that could be > sensibly defaulted were... the problem is that you ask me (effectively) to design a simplified form language for LaTeX. Its a dangerous game. I'll probably just map all available PDF commands to \ LaTeX ones, but the syntax will still be up to authors to control sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 07:27:06 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13969 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03402 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:22:07 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03399 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:22:05 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26966 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:22:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18078; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:11:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804281011.MAA18078@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: T3 To: pragma@pi.net (Hans Hagen), taco1@anxur.fi.muni.cz Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:11:09 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've put the updated version of pdftex (pdftex.zip) on my home site (.../pdftex-testing/unreleased). There is also an archive (t.zip) with a sample of T3 (both PK and vector) font. Somehow on-the-fly generating PK fonts doesn't work for me yet. But if any of you are interested, you may have a look at files in t.zip to see the result. Viewing with GS is quite acceptable. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 08:57:42 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16726 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03741 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:51:37 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03738 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:51:35 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl44.pi.net [145.220.204.44]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA01271; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:51:20 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:51:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3545ED6E.59223657@pi.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:53:34 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk, pdftex Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <980428120814.7b65@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: > > >> Does anyone have any strong views on what this markup should be? The > >> problem is the tension between simply inserting raw PDF > >> > >> \pdfform{ > >> /Subtype /Widget > >> /F 4 > >> /T (SL Text) > >> /FT /Tx > >> /DA (/Helv 14 Tf 0 0 1 rg ) > >> /DV (Default value.) > >> /V (Default value.) > >> /ANN pdfmark > >> } > > I can't see anyone (human) wanting to write this nonsense.. Indeed, so it needs to be capsuled. > >> and something like > >> > >> \begin{Form} > >> \Widget{type=Text,Font=phv,Size=10,Value={Default Value.}} > >> \end{Form} For about half a year I have something running and I'm still not satisfied with the way I handle things. For instance, how to handle events, how to pass peculiar options. etc For instance, your \begin{form} does not make sense at all. And, phb is not the problem, the typical tex fonts are, because you need to build some linked object lists, which in itself is not that hard; I did something like that in the process of expermenting with type 3 inclusion (which Thanh, Taco and I are discussing/implementing currently). Currently I use: \DefineField [name] [type] [[parent]] [appearance] [values] \DefineRecord [name] [fields] \SetupField [appearance] [options] [general setting] [label setting] [field settings] Things cannot per se handled object oriented, because you can have thousands of field, which introduces another funny things: fields do not exist until accessed! > whilst I could happily cope with that if fields that could be > sensibly defaulted were... > > >> where I have to define matching markup for all the myriad > >> possibilities of forms (and the above is an easy one!). > > I appreciate the difficulty! The main problem is not the options etc, it's how to fit things into TeX (i.e. ConTeXt) in such a way that for instance future dvi drivers can also be supported. > >> Also, forms elements have to have some matching space or decoration on > >> the page. Hans Hagen very effectively uses Metapost for designing > >> graphics on which he places form elements, but what would others use? > >> To what extent do I need to predefine (either in PS or TeX) a set of > >> useful graphics (like ticks and crosses)? > > Pass, but I look forwrd to others' comments. Wait a minute. You already use the default decorations, they're similar to the annotations. In fact, a field is an annotation! Furthermore, ticks etc are just normal characters or whatever tex produces, decently put in an object. I use MetaPost as a general drawing tool and never use default things, that is, whatever graphics can be hooked into whatever I want, this has nothing to do with mp itself. I can of course generalize my approach into a module to be used with both context and latex, but only if people (and you) are patient. I first want the concepts right and that takes lots of experiments. (Furthermore, I would have to split things into something generic and something supportative.) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 09:01:35 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16835 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03762 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:55:58 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03759 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:55:57 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl44.pi.net [145.220.204.44]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA01642; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:52:32 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:52:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3545EE69.F2DA9988@pi.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:57:45 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk, PDFTEX@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <980428120814.7b65@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <4406-Tue28Apr1998002022+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > I'll probably just map all available PDF commands to \ LaTeX ones, but > the syntax will still be up to authors to control Probbably the most save way of going. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 10:37:02 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21236 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04085 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:12:50 -0400 Received: from smtp-relay-1.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-1.adobe.com [192.150.11.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04082 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:12:48 -0400 Received: from inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM by smtp-relay-1.Adobe.COM for (8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17366; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-345.corp.Adobe.COM by inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21112; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labrador by mail-345.corp.Adobe.COM (SMI-8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20319; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:12:46 -0700 Received: by labrador (8.6.9) id JAA08589; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:12:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:12:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.38 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: raman@Adobe.COM From: "T. V. Raman" X-Phone: 1 (408) 536-3945 X-Fax: 1(408) 537-4042 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz writes: > I would like to add support for Acrobat forms in hyperref (or more > likely a separate module). I now (more or less) understand what to do, > but the issue is markup. I obviously have strong opinions here:-) > > Does anyone have any strong views on what this markup should be? The > problem is the tension between simply inserting raw PDF > Yikes no! > \pdfform{ > /Subtype /Widget > /F 4 > /T (SL Text) > /FT /Tx > /DA (/Helv 14 Tf 0 0 1 rg ) > /DV (Default value.) > /V (Default value.) > /ANN pdfmark > } > > > and something like > This is much better- > \begin{Form} > \Widget{type=Text,Font=phv,Size=10,Value={Default Value.}} > \end{Form} > > where I have to define matching markup for all the myriad > possibilities of forms (and the above is an easy one!). > How about starting with the base HTML 4 set of form fields --and fixing the holes as we go along-- one of the primary holes in HTML forms markup is the lack of association between the field label and the field itself-- fixed in HTML 4, but no one uses it. We should also allow a place in the LaTeX markup for holding attributes such as action and method to facilitate translation to HTML So something like: \begin{form}[action=...][method=...] \TextField[optional parameters]{Name:}{} \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Vegetarian:}{} \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Carnivore:}{} \end{form} In the above each of the fields has an empty second argument-- if you wanted to encode a form with the fields already filled in you write: \begin{form}[action=...][method=...] \TextField[optional parameters]{Name:}{T.\ V.\ Raman} \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Vegetarian:}{} \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Carnivore:}{1} \end{form} > Also, forms elements have to have some matching space or decoration on > the page. Hans Hagen very effectively uses Metapost for designing > graphics on which he places form elements, but what would others use? > To what extent do I need to predefine (either in PS or TeX) a set of > useful graphics (like ticks and crosses)? > > Sebastian One way to do the ticks and crosses might be to come up with a framework of using the Appearances feature in forms via a TeX provided indirection mechanism. So for instance, allow the TeXer to define an appearance of the form \DefineAppearance{AppearanceName}{AppearanceGeneratingTeX} and then later associate these named appearances to specific fields. This level of indirection would preserve the semantics of why that particular appearance is there. On the PDF end, \DefineAppearance would generate an appropriate 100 0 OBJ that contained the appearance stream produced by AppearanceGeneratingTeX and the form fields in the PDF that wanted to use that appearance would call call out to 100 0 OBJ using an indirect reference 100 0 R -- Best Regards, --raman Adobe Systems Tel: 1 (408) 536 3945 (W14-612) Advanced Technology Group Fax: 1 (408) 537 4042 (W14 129) 345 Park Avenue Email: raman@adobe.com San Jose , CA 95110 -2704 Email: raman@cs.cornell.edu http://labrador.corp.adobe.com/~raman/ (Adobe Intranet) http://cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/raman.html (Cornell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own and in no way should be taken as representative of my employer, Adobe Systems Inc. ____________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 15:15:18 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00768 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:15:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05306 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:11:10 -0400 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05303 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:11:09 -0400 Received: from suneidesis.demon.co.uk ([194.222.181.107]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2005569; 28 Apr 98 21:10 GMT X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0a (190) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:11:38 +0100 Subject: Anyone working on a Mac (PowerPC) port? From: Trevor Jenkins To: pdfTeX Mailing List Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <893797823.205569.0@suneidesis.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Having seen some examples of pdftex output (notably the Python 1.5.1 documentation) I *want* a copy for myself. However, I'm using a Mac! A trawl through the list archives makes no mention of any Mac port in progress. Maybe no one wants to admit to porting pdftex to the Mac or they don't think that there's any interest. Well if there is someone working on a port then here's someone who's willing to help. (I have a copy of CW Pro 2 on my machine.) If no one else is working on a port then I'm game to try it myself. Regards, Trevor -- <>< Re: deemed! From owner-pdftex@tug.org Tue Apr 28 15:23:58 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01073 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05356 for pdftex-list; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:46 -0400 Received: from cnri.reston.va.us (ns.CNRI.Reston.VA.US [132.151.1.1]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05353 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:45 -0400 Received: from weyr.cnri.reston.va.us (weyr [132.151.1.23]) by cnri.reston.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id RAA09659; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by weyr.cnri.reston.va.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA05099; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:41 -0400 From: "Fred L. Drake" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:20:41 -0400 (EDT) To: Trevor Jenkins Cc: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: Anyone working on a Mac (PowerPC) port? In-Reply-To: <893797823.205569.0@suneidesis.demon.co.uk> References: <893797823.205569.0@suneidesis.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13638.18228.943062.270632@weyr.cnri.reston.va.us> Reply-To: "Fred L. Drake, Jr." X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Trevor Jenkins writes: > Having seen some examples of pdftex output (notably the Python 1.5.1 > documentation) I *want* a copy for myself. However, I'm using a Mac! A trawl Hey! Python rules! I mean, it's the .... oops, wrong list! ;-) While there have been a few glitches in getting the PDF support built in to the Python documentation, most of it has been getting myself up to speed on PDF. I'm afraid I don't find it very useful, personally, so most of my earlier work on the Python docs has been with the printed and HTML versions. But I'm glad you find it useful! As for pdftex, I think a number of people on the list are using Macs. You just need to build from sources. How hard this is I don't know; I only used the version from the teTeX 0.9 test distribution for ease of installation. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fdrake@cnri.reston.va.us Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive Reston, VA 20191 From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 02:07:59 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA09080 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA07734 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:03:13 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07731 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:03:11 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl35.pi.net [145.220.204.35]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA15290; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:59:28 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:59:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3546DD8F.4346E8C0@pi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:07 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: raman@Adobe.COM CC: Sebastian Rahtz , pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk T. V. Raman wrote: > > Also, forms elements have to have some matching space or decoration on > > the page. Hans Hagen very effectively uses Metapost for designing > > graphics on which he places form elements, but what would others use? > > To what extent do I need to predefine (either in PS or TeX) a set of > > useful graphics (like ticks and crosses)? > > > > Sebastian > > One way to do the ticks and crosses might be to come up with > a framework of using the Appearances feature in forms via a > TeX provided indirection mechanism. That's wat I do currently and it works all right. In fact, as far as I can see it's the only way of doing things. This ticks and crosses business is however the easiest part. More problematic are text fields. Just to mention some problems (I did a lot of tests with this): - I want the baselines of the text field to align with the text baselines. The first line is not the problem (although the specs are obscure on this), but leading operators are ignored. - I want to use TeX fonts. This means that one has to deal with different encodings. Now how is the user input related to this encoding? How do for instance our polish friends enter their data? (Non latin languages have low priority, we were told half a year ago at Adobe Europe) - Fields are only set when the page is reached. This means that manipulating fields data on non-current pages is nearly impossible. (I have a workaround, which I need for a large scale typesetting on demand project). Some other nasty things: - One cannot save the data apart from menu options (there are submit, import and reset actions, but no export one). - Submit only works when inside a browser, and therefore only is possible when one is willing to spend 1/3 of the screen to non relevant buttons and window gadgets. Field are nice, but the concept/implementation is not yet perfect, Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 04:00:21 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11515 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA08131 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:51:23 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08128 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:51:21 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA11720; hop 0; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:46:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:51:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:45:12 +0100 Message-ID: <6359-Tue28Apr1998224512+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Trevor.Jenkins@suneidesis.com Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Anyone working on a Mac (PowerPC) port? In-Reply-To: <893797823.205569.0@suneidesis.demon.co.uk> References: <893797823.205569.0@suneidesis.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Trevor Jenkins writes: > Having seen some examples of pdftex output (notably the Python 1.5.1 > documentation) I *want* a copy for myself. However, I'm using a Mac! A trawl > through the list archives makes no mention of any Mac port in progress. your best bet may be to talk to Tom Kiffe of CMaCTeX, since he does all the work already, and adding pdftex must be fairly trivial. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 05:37:45 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13156 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08554 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:29:15 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08548 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:29:13 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA15209; hop 0; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:24:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:29:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:15:36 +0100 Message-ID: <8727-Wed29Apr1998001536+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: raman@Adobe.COM, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <3546DD8F.4346E8C0@pi.net> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <3546DD8F.4346E8C0@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > - I want to use TeX fonts. This means that one has to deal with > different encodings. Now how is the user input related to this encoding? > How do for instance our polish friends enter their data? (Non latin > languages have low priority, we were told half a year ago at Adobe > Europe) unless Raman knows otherwise, this just seems a fundamental problem in Acrobat. At this level (like bookmarks), we lose effective control over encoding > - One cannot save the data apart from menu options (there are submit, > import and reset actions, but no export one). but can't you activate the menu option? > - Submit only works when inside a browser, and therefore only is > possible when one is willing to spend 1/3 of the screen to non relevant > buttons and window gadgets. i dont see how else it *could* work, unless Adobe put all of libwww (as it were) into Acrobat Exchange sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 05:38:19 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13169 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08541 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:28:55 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08538 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:28:53 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA15187; hop 0; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:24:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:28:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:05:28 +0100 Message-ID: <4496-Wed29Apr1998000528+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <3545ED6E.59223657@pi.net> References: <980428120814.7b65@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <3545ED6E.59223657@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > not the problem, the typical tex fonts are, because you need to build > some linked object lists, which in itself is not that hard; I did i think i can live without Computer Modern in my forms :-} yes, i can see the fonts thing is simply tedious to arrange; i'll leave it aside for now, and allow for built in ones > \DefineField [name] [type] [[parent]] [appearance] [values] > \DefineRecord [name] [fields] > \SetupField [appearance] [options] [general setting] [label setting] but when it comes to appearance, i assume you then revert to PDF syntax? or do you hope to conceal all the << /XXX >> stuff from a user? where does one draw the line? the decoration stuff, again I can live with some trivial ones while I try to get to grips with it all. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 05:38:23 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13174 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08553 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:29:15 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08547 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:29:12 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id MAA15206; hop 0; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:24:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:29:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:10:30 +0100 Message-ID: <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: raman@Adobe.COM Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk T. V. Raman writes: > How about starting with the base HTML 4 set of form fields > --and fixing the holes as we go along-- ah. i see what you mean. makes it easier to do ->HTML translation, OK. I can persuade Eitan Gurari to make it work in TeX4ht... > We should also allow a place in the LaTeX markup for holding > attributes such as action and method to facilitate > translation to HTML ok, that makes sense > So something like: > \begin{form}[action=...][method=...] > \TextField[optional parameters]{Name:}{} > \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Vegetarian:}{} > \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Carnivore:}{} > \end{form} i can imagine doing that. with the "optional parameters" being a set of keyval pairs > One way to do the ticks and crosses might be to come up with > a framework of using the Appearances feature in forms via a > TeX provided indirection mechanism. ah, appearances. those little bundles of joy. ok, understood. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 07:52:18 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16310 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:52:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09114 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:46:21 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09111 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:46:18 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-11-8.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.8]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA18022 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:46:00 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35472F6A.5D1C8442@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:47:22 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdfTeX Mailing List Subject: Re: Anyone working on a Mac (PowerPC) port? References: <893797823.205569.0@suneidesis.demon.co.uk> <13638.18228.943062.270632@weyr.cnri.reston.va.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Fred L. Drake wrote: > As for pdftex, I think a number of people on the list are using > Macs. You just need to build from sources. How hard this is I don't > know; I only used the version from the teTeX 0.9 test distribution for > ease of installation. > > -Fred > At least one friend of mine is very interested in obtaining a mac version of pdftex and doesn't have the necessary tools to compile it for himself. No doubt there are many such people. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 07:54:44 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16375 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09071 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:36:39 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09065 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:35:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:34:54 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pragma@pi.net CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980429143454.a18c@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> - Submit only works when inside a browser, and therefore only is >> possible when one is willing to spend 1/3 of the screen to non relevant >> buttons and window gadgets. Might kiosk mode be relevant here? ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 08:18:12 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17194 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:18:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09192 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:07:35 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09189 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:07:34 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl37.pi.net [145.220.204.37]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA29547; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:07:30 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:07:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35473692.6227831A@pi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:17:54 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <980429143454.a18c@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: > > >> - Submit only works when inside a browser, and therefore only is > >> possible when one is willing to spend 1/3 of the screen to non relevant > >> buttons and window gadgets. > > Might kiosk mode be relevant here? Eh.. what is kiosk mode? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 08:53:58 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18590 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09275 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:28:12 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09272 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:28:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:28:06 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pragma@pi.net CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980429152806.a18c@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> Eh.. what is kiosk mode? A buttonless, menubarless, captive mode of Netscape; if you viewed your PDF file in this mode, it would be virtually as if viewed within Exchange itself, with the added vital benefit of web-based forms submission. ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 09:48:13 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19783 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09577 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:43:03 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09574 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:43:01 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06105; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:42:57 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:42:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3547452F.F5460A74@pi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:20:15 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <980429152806.a18c@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: > > >> Eh.. what is kiosk mode? > > A buttonless, menubarless, captive mode of Netscape; if you viewed > your PDF file in this mode, it would be virtually as if viewed within > Exchange itself, with the added vital benefit of web-based forms submission. PDF has a submit action, so I would like to get rid off everything browser. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 09:49:36 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19823 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09584 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:43:11 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09581 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:43:09 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06116; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:00 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35474537.6AF41072@pi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:20:23 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glauber Ribeiro , pdftex Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <980429143454.a18c@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> <35473692.6227831A@pi.net> <35473EE4.C6836A6F@iws-irms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Glauber Ribeiro wrote: > > Hans Hagen wrote: > > > > Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: > > > > > > >> - Submit only works when inside a browser, and therefore only is > > > >> possible when one is willing to spend 1/3 of the screen to non relevant > > > >> buttons and window gadgets. > > > > > > Might kiosk mode be relevant here? > > > > Eh.. what is kiosk mode? > > > > Maybe it's the full-screen mode of Acrobat reader (probably thinking of > a kiosk with a touch screen. FullScreen is ignores in browsers. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 09:55:06 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19986 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09602 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:46:35 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09598 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:46:33 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06169; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:09 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <354747D1.7AF9D0F4@pi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:31:29 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <980428120814.7b65@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <3545ED6E.59223657@pi.net> <4496-Wed29Apr1998000528+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > Hans Hagen writes: > > > not the problem, the typical tex fonts are, because you need to build > > some linked object lists, which in itself is not that hard; I did > > i think i can live without Computer Modern in my forms :-} Yes but lucida would be nice. Anyhow, if another font is used, pdftex must be forced to insert enough of that font in standard encoding. Therefore we need: \pdfincludefont{name} I still have to work this out (Probably TeX can do this itself). Some day soon ... > yes, i can see the fonts thing is simply tedious to arrange; i'll > leave it aside for now, and allow for built in ones > > > \DefineField [name] [type] [[parent]] [appearance] [values] > > \DefineRecord [name] [fields] > > \SetupField [appearance] [options] [general setting] [label setting] > > but when it comes to appearance, i assume you then revert to PDF > syntax? or do you hope to conceal all the << /XXX >> stuff from a > user? where does one draw the line? Good question. My personal line is what I consider reasonable, that is, what I expect dviviewers (indeed) or other formats to support. > the decoration stuff, again I can live with some trivial ones while I > try to get to grips with it all. Just put things in an object and use the lastobj pointer. Of course this should also work with Distiller (not that hard either). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 09:55:31 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20000 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09614 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:46:39 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09606 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:46:36 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06147; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:06 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:27:35 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: raman@Adobe.COM, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > So something like: > > \begin{form}[action=...][method=...] > > \TextField[optional parameters]{Name:}{} > > \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Vegetarian:}{} > > \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Carnivore:}{} > > \end{form} I don't want to disturb you, but a document has only one form and if you cross pageborders .. well fields get instable, their existance depends on if one already accessed the page. (And one needs quite some javascript programming to get around, I'm in my third implementation now and still not satisfied.) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 09:58:14 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20042 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09640 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:52:52 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09637 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:52:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:52:42 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pragma@pi.net CC: PDFTEX@tug.org, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980429165242.a18c@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk >> > >> Eh.. what is kiosk mode? >> > >> > A buttonless, menubarless, captive mode of Netscape; if you viewed >> > your PDF file in this mode, it would be virtually as if viewed within >> > Exchange itself, with the added vital benefit of web-based forms submission. >> >> PDF has a submit action, so I would like to get rid off everything >> browser. That's what kiosk mode does : there is no "submit action" in kiosk mode, but the functionality lurks beneath the surface for the PDF to exploit. ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 09:58:44 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20056 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09610 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:46:37 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09603 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:46:35 -0400 Received: from pi.net (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06127; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:03 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <354745F8.3801B3FA@pi.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:23:36 +0200 From: Hans Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: raman@Adobe.COM, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <3546DD8F.4346E8C0@pi.net> <8727-Wed29Apr1998001536+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > - One cannot save the data apart from menu options (there are submit, > > import and reset actions, but no export one). > but can't you activate the menu option? Yes, but then the user is presented with some 'save as whatever yes or no' window. > > - Submit only works when inside a browser, and therefore only is > > possible when one is willing to spend 1/3 of the screen to non relevant > > buttons and window gadgets. > i dont see how else it *could* work, unless Adobe put all of libwww > (as it were) into Acrobat Exchange Just a plugin I suppose. It's fine with me if Netscape is active in the background, I just don't want its interface, Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 12:14:47 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23369 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10180 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:58:25 -0400 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10177 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:58:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:58:16 +0100 From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk To: PRAGMA@pi.net, PDFTEX@tug.org CC: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <980429185816.88d8@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: More on kiosk mode Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Netscape's tech-help failed to turn up anything useful in kiosk mode for Windows NT, but a simple experiement proved the validity of the technique ; try netscape -k "" (e.g. "http://www.perform.net.au/pdf/EEVIC.pdf") There's allegedly a super-kiosk mode as well ; I haven't cracked that one yet :-) ** P. From owner-pdftex@tug.org Wed Apr 29 13:23:11 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25287 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10527 for pdftex-list; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:17:59 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10524 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:17:57 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17928; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:17:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02573; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:17:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804291917.VAA02573@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12j To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:17:50 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: Pavel.Janik@math.muni.cz X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, pdftex-0.12j is available at ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12j Changes to previous version: - memory allocation for virtual fonts is rewritten to C - support of metafont (many thanks to Hans and Taco). PK fonts are quite useable with GS. Outlined fonts from Hans' mp2pgc are supported, but are not handled very well. Note that on-the-fly creating PK fonts may be a problem, as web2c-7.2 call different scripts with different arguments syntax. For system with older MakeTeXPK there is a script mktexpk (at the above location), which just calls MakeTeXPK with the right arguments. You can also add ie `pk_resolution 300' to pdftex.cfg to specify the base resolution (default value is 600). There is no need to have PK fonts in map files, but if a pgc font is specified in a map file by a line contaning only font name as 'csr10' then it will be share for various "at size" (thus csr10 and csr10 at 12 pt will have the same font resource). There are a lot of changes in this version, so please be a little patient on problems you may have with it. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 30 02:36:25 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00033 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13918 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:28:57 -0400 Received: from hermes.optica.csic.es (hermes.optica.csic.es [161.111.21.13]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13915 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:28:55 -0400 Received: from wigner (wigner.optica.csic.es [161.111.21.19]) by hermes.optica.csic.es (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19381 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:58 +0200 Message-ID: <35483484.7D52@hermes.optica.csic.es> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:21:24 +0200 From: Gabriel Cristobal Organization: Instituto de Optica (CSIC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.org Subject: pdftex.map error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk My apologies if this is a FAQ. I'm running PDFTeX, Version 0.11, but I cannot generate the file .pdf due to the following error: "Can not open font mapping file (pdftex.map) for reading" Does anyone know how to fix the problem? -- Gabriel Cristobal Instituto de Optica (CSIC) Serrano 121. 28006 Madrid. Spain From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 30 03:08:27 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00727 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:08:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14037 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:00:56 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14034 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:00:54 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id JAA09956; hop 0; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:56:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:00:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:35:48 +0100 Message-ID: <8319-Wed29Apr1998213548+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: raman@Adobe.COM, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hans Hagen writes: > I don't want to disturb you, but a document has only one form and if you > cross pageborders .. well fields get instable, their existance depends > on if one already accessed the page. (And one needs quite some the \begin{form} ... \end{form} is just a wrapper which does nothing, to remind people what they are doing. it's only designed to cater for one use of forms, the traditional fill-in-the-blanks membership form, for instance. but most importantly, as Raman points out, it facilitates translation to HTML sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 30 03:48:46 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01506 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14163 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:32:08 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14160 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:32:06 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id KAA11017; hop 0; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:32:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:31:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1179-Wed29Apr1998223130+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: gabriel@optica.csic.es Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: pdftex.map error In-Reply-To: <35483484.7D52@hermes.optica.csic.es> References: <35483484.7D52@hermes.optica.csic.es> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Gabriel Cristobal writes: > My apologies if this is a FAQ. > I'm running PDFTeX, Version 0.11, but I cannot generate > the file .pdf due to the following error: > "Can not open font mapping file (pdftex.map) for reading" > Does anyone know how to fix the problem? the answer is blindingly obvious, really - find the file pdftex.map, and put it where pdftex can find it! one would need more details about where you got pdftex, and how you set it up, to give more details or do the file permissions not allow the file to be read? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 30 05:45:34 1998 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03767 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14633 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:33:58 -0400 Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (ns.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14626 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:33:25 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06751; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:31:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17765; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:30:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199804301130.NAA17765@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: pdftex-0.12k To: pdftex@tug.org (PDFTEX) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:30:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: Pavel.Janik@inet.cz (Pavel Janik) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, as pdftex-0.12j has some problems with printing images, I had to release pdftex-0.12k one day after releasing pdftex-0.12j. Sorry a lot about the inconvenience. The location is as usually: ftp://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/cstug/thanh/pdftex-testing/pdftex-0.12k Thanh PS: I've also added pdftex version to the Info dict of pdf output From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 30 08:27:12 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07619 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15469 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:17:02 -0400 Received: from smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15466 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:17:00 -0400 Received: from inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM by smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM for (8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01239; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-345.corp.Adobe.COM by inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA13316; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labrador by mail-345.corp.Adobe.COM (SMI-8.6) with ESMTP id HAA25530; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:16:45 -0700 Received: by labrador (8.6.9) id HAA22421; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:16:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:16:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199804301416.HAA22421@labrador> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) Cc: pragma@pi.net, raman@Adobe.COM, pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <8319-Wed29Apr1998213548+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> <8319-Wed29Apr1998213548+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.38 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: raman@Adobe.COM From: "T. V. Raman" X-Phone: 1 (408) 536-3945 X-Fax: 1(408) 537-4042 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk And even more importantly, I could translate it to audio. What's more I'd preserve the ability to fill in the form either via Acrobat consuming the PDF or from Emacs by editting the LaTeX, or from any generic HTML-enabled environment like Emacspeak/W3 -- Best Regards, --raman Adobe Systems Tel: 1 (408) 536 3945 (W14-612) Advanced Technology Group Fax: 1 (408) 537 4042 (W14 129) 345 Park Avenue Email: raman@adobe.com San Jose , CA 95110 -2704 Email: raman@cs.cornell.edu http://labrador.corp.adobe.com/~raman/ (Adobe Intranet) http://cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/raman.html (Cornell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own and in no way should be taken as representative of my employer, Adobe Systems Inc. ____________________________________________________________ From owner-pdftex@tug.org Thu Apr 30 09:45:58 1998 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.org (tug.org [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10391 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15782 for pdftex-list; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:39:54 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15779 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:39:52 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk"; id QAA24292; hop 0; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:35:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:39:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:39:05 +0100 Message-ID: <9939-Thu30Apr1998043905+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: raman@Adobe.COM Cc: pdftex@tug.org Subject: Re: Acrobat form markup in LaTeX? In-Reply-To: <199804301416.HAA22421@labrador> References: <4862-Mon27Apr1998235758+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804281612.JAA08589@labrador> <8756-Wed29Apr1998001030+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <354746E7.4D610DAD@pi.net> <8319-Wed29Apr1998213548+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199804301416.HAA22421@labrador> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.org Precedence: bulk T. V. Raman writes: > And even more importantly, I could translate it to audio. > What's more I'd preserve the ability to fill in the form > either via Acrobat consuming the PDF or from Emacs by > editting the LaTeX, or from any generic HTML-enabled > environment like Emacspeak/W3 how can one resist the challenge? bearing that in mind (which I think is not the same as providing access to the full functionality of PDF forms), I am now considering the following syntax: \begin{Form}[action=,method=...] \end{Form} where the optional info is for non-PDF uses. Then you can have some: \TextField[optional parameters]{Name}[Sebastian] \CheckBox[optional parameters]{Vegetarian}[1] \ChoiceMenu[optional parameters]{Colors}{Red,Green,Blue}{Red} \RadioGroup[optional parameters]{Colors}{Red,Green,Blue}{Red} \PushButton[optional parameters]{action} \Submit{Send me now}{action} \ResetForm The `optional parameters' are really there to control appearance, and is a set of keyval pairs. The first proper parameter is the name of the object, and by default its label. The second parameter, if present, is a list of choices, and the last parameter (sometimes optional) is the default. Parameters ========== boolean checked readonly disabled hiddentext (for passwords) word or number name= accesskey= tabindex= string label= (defaults to name of label followed by :) width= (defaults to \DefaultWidthof) height= (defaults to \DefaultHeightof) TeX color names and dimens fillcolor= bordercolor= color= borderwidth= bordersep= Note that the width and height will have to be translated to a number of characters for size and maxlength attributes in HTML. Any thoughts? this is just me scribbling, really Sebastian