From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 02:07:29 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26897 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id EAA17574 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:12:54 -0400 Received: from ns2.eds.com (ns2.eds.com [199.228.142.78]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id EAA17570 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:12:44 -0400 Received: from nnsp.eds.com (nnsp2.eds.com [199.228.143.130]) by ns2.eds.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01631 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ew160061.nets.de.eds.com (ew160061.nets.de.eds.com [134.46.6.11]) by nnsp.eds.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11641 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from n15ux24.nets.de.eds.com (n15ux24.nets.de.eds.com [206.122.103.15]) by ew160061.nets.de.eds.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20709 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:01:49 GMT Message-Id: <199710010801.IAA20709@ew160061.nets.de.eds.com> Received: by n15ux24.nets.de.eds.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA289232908; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:01:48 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:01:48 +0200 From: Frank Mittelbach To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: About PDFTEX In-Reply-To: <9709301640.aa23326@graves.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4283-Tue30Sep1997093534+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709301640.aa23326@graves.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Timothy Murphy writes: > > > > I could explain about DSSSL in greater detail if anyone cares, but > > this is probably the wrong forum. > > > > I would certainly find a short description useful. > I looked at DSSSL (as an alternative to "linuxdoc") > but gave up when I found the documentation > was several hundred pages long. try http://itrc.uwaterloo.ca:80/~papresco/dsssl/tutorial.html or start with http://www.jclark.com/dsssl/ if you want to have a look at it frank From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 02:43:18 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27673 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id EAA17652 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:50:24 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id EAA17648 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:50:18 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl74.pi.net [145.220.204.74]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA12239; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:39:18 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:39:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <343200CB.3D0C@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:50:35 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I currently plan to support the following options via a uniform keyval > > interface. If it isnt more or less obvious what the options do, ask > > me. Is this list sufficient? Where else do you want to tailor your > > automated PDF output from LaTeX? > > I'd like all the hyperTeX "standards" to be allowed optional [...] arguments > (using the usual key=value syntax). > > I've always found hyperref very useful, reliable and intelligible. > > If I had to criticise it, > I would say that it is getting too tailored to specific programs. > I'd prefer to see as much as possible done with "universal" macros, > obviously with specific interpretations added for each program. That's what we've be doing for some years now. The main problem is not in the universal macros, I would not even dare to provide driver dependant ones; all driver dependancy must be hidden for the user. The main problem is that drivers need different info to act on. When PDF came around, we already supported DVIWINDO, which only had named destinations. This meant that we had to adapt a lot of low level macros (concenring list handling, referencing, indexing and some more) to provide the info needed for pdf 1.0 page destination support. Nowadays pdf support named ones, but to overcome limitations, we extensively support both. Of course users never see this. In discussions (on the net) I became aware that all other macropackages used the driver to sort out the active areas, while I was explicitly passing info to the drivers. This gave me much more control. So, concerning hyper refs, one has named and page destination, concering visualization, one has explict areas specification and begin/end constructs. I never let the drivers/viewers handle things like the color or border around hyper things, simply because TeX can do this much better. Even better, that way this be handled more consistently in design. I agree that too much tayloring is bad thing. It's not needed either, because one needs surprisingly few hyper things to produce very advanced things. The main problem is not the few hyper low level commands, but providing the drivers with the info needed, and therefore adapting the referencing mechanisms (because they need to provide more info). Document designed for the screen for instance need far more navigational tools than paper. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 02:57:38 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27914 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:57:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id EAA17658 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:50:34 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id EAA17654 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:50:28 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl74.pi.net [145.220.204.74]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA12271; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:39:23 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:39:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34320A59.6C85@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:31:21 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <4244-Mon29Sep1997111920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > i dont disagree with you; thats one of my aims in a rewrite, to let > you specify behaviour in a uniform format. if you say [bookmarks], it > just does nothing if you use hypertex driver A few reactions to tinks like 'general mechanisms' and 'uniform format'. I finaly decided to implement this one-driver-only bookmark stuff; it come to a sort of dual pass list (contents or whatever kind of list specified) post-processing. Not that hard to implement, apart from a bit absurd pdf primitives. Given the nature of bookmarks (standard encoding) this is typical a feature that conflicts with TeX typeset things. That's why I also implemented a sort of bookmark overrule feature, think of: \chapter{Hi {\bf there}, here\high{we go}} Here one can directly say afterwards, \bookmark{Hi there, here we go} and the (optional extra) specification overrules the previous one. So: although processing bookmarks is optional, think of: \placebookmarks[chapter,section,subsection] One also sometimes has to provide decent bookmarks him/herself, which makes 'doing nothing' sometimes into 'doing something'. At this moment I'm processing some texts in the background that use metapost to (redraw) graphics (fancy buttons). This is a typical example of not only driver dependant behavior but also of tex dependant characteristics. With pdftex, tex has become a driver too, which is why I implemented the pdftex functionality as just another special driver. Here are some alternatives, that each of course are invisible for the user. (1) Use pdftex to produce pdf code: run MP from within TeX, include the MP graphic by interpreting it directly, store them in pdf objects when applicable, and reuse them when possible. (2) Use distiller to produce pdf: run MP from within tex (or postpone running when no write18 is supported), include the MP files as eps, but interpret them first to sort out the fonts (for instance because we use DVIPSONE), store them in pdf objects and call for them afterwards. (3) Use a dvi viewer: something similar but this time use boxes instead of objects and postprocess the MP graphics to provide screen previews. Something like this means close cooperation between (1) a MP generator, (2) object storing (3) graphics inclusion and preprocessing of MP, and some more. This all can be hidden from the user, using drivers, but I presume users should be aware of the processes. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 03:11:57 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA28137 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 03:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id FAA17768 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:15:56 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA17764 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:15:51 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29007 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:04:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:04:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:42 +0100 Message-ID: <2710-Wed01Oct1997093342+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: About PDFTEX In-Reply-To: <9709301640.aa23326@graves.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4283-Tue30Sep1997093534+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709301640.aa23326@graves.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > I would certainly find a short description useful. > I looked at DSSSL (as an alternative to "linuxdoc") > but gave up when I found the documentation > was several hundred pages long. > there are pointers to some short tutorials on James Clark's DSSSL page on http://www.jclark.com sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 03:25:42 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA28399 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 03:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id FAA17834 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:31:44 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA17830 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:31:38 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29574 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:20:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:20:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:13:46 +0100 Message-ID: <7505-Wed01Oct1997101346+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <9709301637.aa23256@graves.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709301637.aa23256@graves.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > I imagine it would be then possible for style files > to define further key=value possibilities if desired. um. yes, with care that would work > Eg I'd like to be able to specify the size of the link "box" > in this way. oh blimey, i had not thought of that. am not sure what changes in practice you would make > In practice I think people nearly always specify a TeX/LaTeX box > to contain this material, > but then it is difficult to pass on the dimensions of the box to the driver. for the PDF backends, I have to calculate the dimensions of the box anyway (you can't have just a start and end in PDF); so the work is already being down. unless you want to override it, the question is really how to extend the \special syntax which xdvi reads, so that it can be passed the box size. > As far as I can see, pdftex uses the "current" box, > which might mean many things. > it usually means the right thing :-} presumably if you want a larger or smaller enclosing area in pdftex, you would just do it with TeX boxes? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 04:17:20 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29249 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:17:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA17925 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:05:50 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA17921 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:05:45 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00843 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:53:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:53:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <8013-Wed01Oct1997105336+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Cc: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <343200CB.3D0C@pi.net> References: <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <343200CB.3D0C@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I have to take issue with Hans on coloring and borders being done in TeX or the driver. I agree that if you are making a serious screen-based PDF document, you should probably do it in TeX. But if your aim is to produce a PDF document which can be either printed or viewed on screen, the print people do *NOT* want their links with boxes around them, or printed in yellow. Well, sometimes they do, but we have to offer a choice. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 04:44:03 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA29666 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA18024 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:41:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA18020 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:41:50 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl77.pi.net [145.220.204.77]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA27185; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:30:47 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:30:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34321B0F.2329@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:42:39 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <9709301637.aa23256@graves.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Timothy Murphy wrote: > Eg I'd like to be able to specify the size of the link "box" > in this way. > At present xdvi for example goes to inordinate trouble > to compute the bounds of this box. > In practice I think people nearly always specify a TeX/LaTeX box > to contain this material, > but then it is difficult to pass on the dimensions of the box to the driver. For some years now I pass dimensions, simply because some drivers (DVIWINDO, PDF) need this info, and because it gives TeX control. I remember discussions concerning this matter and xdvi (which I cannot run here); I always wondered why one would let the driver sort these things out; not at least because drivers know nothing about the content; but I thinks this concept originated in the HTML world. (Doesn's xdvi use a sort of HTML syntax for hyperlinks too?). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 05:46:55 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00692 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id HAA18152 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:35:03 -0400 Received: from mailgate22 (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id HAA18147 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:34:58 -0400 Received: by mailgate22 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA08329; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:22:26 -0700 Received: from sdn-ts-001mabostp11.dialsprint.net(206.133.32.30) by mailfep1-hme1 via smap (KC5.24) id Q_10.1.1.4/Q_22248_1_3432326b; Wed Oct 1 04:22:19 1997 Message-ID: <34323239.36A8@sprintmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 07:21:29 -0400 From: Daniel Griffis X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI300B01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: pdftex newbie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I am exploring tex and pdftex as an alternative to my current setup of TROFF to pdf by way of distiller and alot of magic. My goal is to have an NT solution to produce the same quality reports currently produced on UNIX. From briefly monitoring this group, I see that pdftex is in it's formative stages, until it is stable what can I use, .dvi to web2c to pdf??? Is there a guide that I can use to set up the appropriate pdftex environment? I have downloaded miktex and have used YAP to preview .DVI files, but when I try to print YAP spits a METAFONT not set msg at me. I present this as an example of things that I would like to avoid by going to a guide and being assured that I have set the appropriate environment. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 06:19:28 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01266 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id IAA18243 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:25:32 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA18239 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:25:27 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06161 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:13:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:12:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:09:22 +0100 Message-ID: <6440-Wed01Oct1997130922+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Cc: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <34321B0F.2329@pi.net> References: <9709301637.aa23256@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <34321B0F.2329@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > info, and because it gives TeX control. I remember discussions > concerning this matter andxdvi (which I cannot run here); I always > wondered why one would let the driver sort these > things out; not at least because drivers know nothing about the > content; but I thinks this concept originated in the HTML > world. (Doesn's xdvi use a sort of HTML syntax for hyperlinks right. xdvi directly uses HTML syntax. where it arises because the formatting is not available at the time of creation, so all you *can* do is specify start and end. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 06:29:38 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01460 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id IAA18229 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:24:25 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA18225 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:24:20 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06147 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:12:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:12:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:07:10 +0100 Message-ID: <2357-Wed01Oct1997130710+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <34320A59.6C85@pi.net> References: <4244-Mon29Sep1997111920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34320A59.6C85@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > That's why I also implemented a sort of bookmark overrule feature, think of: > > \chapter{Hi {\bf there}, here\high{we go}} > > Here one can directly say afterwards, > > \bookmark{Hi there, here we go} a bit like LaTeX's \chapter[]{}; sadly, in LaTeX we'd have to add extra markup. > processing bookmarks is optional, think of: > > \placebookmarks[chapter,section,subsection] ah, nice idea... > One also sometimes has to provide decent bookmarks him/herself, > which makes 'doing nothing' sometimes into 'doing something'. indeed, hyperref has a `write direct to bookmark' command... Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 06:37:24 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01577 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id IAA18321 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:44:33 -0400 Received: from f1n3.sp2net.wfu.edu (root@f1n3.sp2net.wfu.edu [152.17.8.13]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id IAA18317 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:44:28 -0400 Received: from f1n11.sp2net.wfu.edu by f1n3.sp2net.wfu.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA116334; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:33:34 -0400 Received: from localhost by f1n11.sp2net.wfu.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25038; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:33:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:33:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell X-Sender: cottrell@f1n11.spenet.wfu.edu To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex newbie In-Reply-To: <34323239.36A8@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Daniel Griffis wrote, inter alia: > From briefly monitoring this group, I see that pdftex is in it's > formative stages, until it is stable what can I use, .dvi to web2c to > pdf??? >From my experiences, I would describe pdftex as very stable. It is being refined in various ways, but its basic functionality seems as stable as any means of generating pdf. Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 07:14:30 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02294 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA18441 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:12:23 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA18436 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:12:17 -0400 Subject: Re: changes to hyperref To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:01:15 +0100 (BST) From: Timothy Murphy In-Reply-To: <7505-Wed01Oct1997101346+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> from "Sebastian Rahtz" at Oct 1, 97 10:13:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9710011401.aa06931@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > > > Eg I'd like to be able to specify the size of the link "box" > > in this way. > oh blimey, i had not thought of that. am not sure what changes in > practice you would make May I give my .sty file to show what I mean; it is intended for a PDF driver (in Java), but I found it easiest to start with the hypertex version of hyperref. Any comments gratefully received. ========================================================== \RequirePackage[hypertex]{hyperref} \input dvips.def \DeclareGraphicsRule{.img}{img}{}{} \def\pageSize#1,#2\relax{\@tempdima=#1\@tempdimb=#2}% \AtBeginDocument{{\expandafter\pageSize\special@paper\relax \special{pageSize: \the\@tempdima\space\the\@tempdimb}}} \newcount{\Gin@bitsperpixel} \newcount{\rect@width} \newcount{\rect@height} \newcount{\rect@depth} \newif\ifGin@filtered \def\Gin@filter{} \define@key{Gin}{bitsperpixel}{\Gin@bitsperpixel=#1} \define@key{Gin}{filter}{\Gin@filteredtrue\def\Gin@filter{#1}} \def\Ginclude@img#1{% \message{<#1>}% \bgroup \def\@tempa{!}% \dimen@\Gin@req@width \dimen@ii.1bp% \divide\dimen@\dimen@ii \@tempdima\Gin@req@height \divide\@tempdima\dimen@ii \special{PdfFile="#1"\space bitsperpixel=\number\Gin@bitsperpixel\space \ifGin@filtered filter=\Gin@filter\space \fi llx=\Gin@llx\space lly=\Gin@lly\space urx=\Gin@urx\space ury=\Gin@ury\space \ifx\Gin@scalex\@tempa\else rwi=\number\dimen@\space\fi \ifx\Gin@scaley\@tempa\else rhi=\number\@tempdima\space\fi \ifGin@clip clip\fi}% \egroup} \def\hyper@@link[#1]#2#3#4{% \setbox\@tempboxa=\hbox{#4}% \rect@width\wd\@tempboxa \rect@height\ht\@tempboxa \rect@depth\dp\@tempboxa \ifHyper@raiselinks \@linkdim\rect@depth \lower\@linkdim\hbox{\special{html:}}% {\colorlink{\LinkColor}#4}% \@linkdim\rect@height \advance\@linkdim by -6.5\p@ \raise\@linkdim\hbox{\special{html:}}% \else \special{html:}% {\colorlink{\LinkColor}#4}% \special{html:}% \fi } \def\@footnotemark{% \H@refstepcounter{Hfootnote}% \hyper@makecurrent{Hfootnote}% \hyper@@link[]{\hyper@hash\@currentHref}{}{\H@@footnotemark}% } \def\contentsline#1#2#3#4{% \ifx\\#4\\% \csname l@#1\endcsname{#2}{#3}% \else \csname l@#1\endcsname{% % \hyper@linkstart{\hyper@hash#4}{#2}\hyper@linkend} \hyper@@link[]{\hyper@hash#4}{}{#2}}% {#3}% \fi } ========================================================== From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 07:53:43 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03062 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA18684 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:59:46 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA18676 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:59:38 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl16.pi.net [145.220.204.16]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA21476; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:48:39 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:48:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34325381.363D@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:43:29 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu, Sebastian Rahtz CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <343200CB.3D0C@pi.net> <8013-Wed01Oct1997105336+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > I have to take issue with Hans on coloring and borders being done in > TeX or the driver. I agree that if you are making a serious > screen-based PDF document, you should probably do it in TeX. But if > your aim is to produce a PDF document which can be either printed or > viewed on screen, the print people do *NOT* want their links with > boxes around them, or printed in yellow. Well, sometimes they do, but > we have to offer a choice. Well, normal in-text links never get borders, simply becayuse they serve no purpose. I prefer and support color and fonts. On the other hand, buttons, menu items, nevigational etc etc, index entries, list entries (tocs etc) and some more can be tuned, that is, one can specify what is active, in what color, with what tex/mp provided shape or background, using the same or a different color when already n the page etc. If people want this, I would advise them to use ConTeXt. Although I will probably isolate these things soon in separate modules, this kind of features stringly depend on the main macro package. One has to keep track of many things, call up things local or global for instance, handle things at whatever numbering levels, etc. A warning: by parameterizing things, the number of hash entries grows considerably, as well as the string pool. Because I had to support multiple interface anyway, the latter one could be minimized. Concerning your aim: \setupinteraction[status=start] activates the lot, and when turned off (which is default), we just get a normal text, lists etc. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 07:56:56 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03099 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA18682 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:59:43 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA18674 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:59:34 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl16.pi.net [145.220.204.16]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA21451; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:48:35 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:48:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <343250B5.2867@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:31:33 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709301637.aa23256@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <7505-Wed01Oct1997101346+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > In practice I think people nearly always specify a TeX/LaTeX box > > to contain this material, > > but then it is difficult to pass on the dimensions of the box to the driver. > for the PDF backends, I have to calculate the dimensions of the box anyway > (you can't have just a start and end in PDF); so the work is already > being down. unless you want to override it, the question is really how > to extend the \special syntax which xdvi reads, so that it can be > passed the box size. Well, as far as I can see the XDVI syntax is not adequate. Wanna see the big picture? The next piece of text is copied from spec-ini.tex. This module implements a special driver system, in which specials for specific viewers etc are defined in separate files. %D \macros %D {dostartgotolocation, dostopgotolocation, %D dostartgotorealpage, dostopgotorealpage} %D {} %D %D The interactive real work is done by the following four %D specials. The reason for providing the first one with both %D a label and a number, is a result of the quite poor %D implementation of \type{pdfmarks} in version 1.0 of %D Acrobat. Because only pagenumbers were supported as %D destination, we had to provide both labels (\DVIWINDO) and %D pagenumbers (\PDF). Some drivers use start stop pairs. %D %D \starttypen %D \dostartgotolocation {w} {h} {url} {file} {label} {page} %D \dostartgotorealpage {w} {h} {file} {page} %D \stoptypen %D %D Their counterparts are: %D %D \starttypen %D \dostopgotolocation %D \dostopgotorealpage %D \stoptypen %D %D The internal alternative is used for system||generated %D links, the external one for user||generated links. The %D Uniform Resource Locator can be used to let the reader %D surf the net. \installspecial [\dostartgotolocation] [and] [6] \installspecial [\dostopgotolocation] [and] [0] \installspecial [\dostartgotorealpage] [and] [4] \installspecial [\dostopgotorealpage] [and] [0] %D \macros %D {dostartthisislocation, dostopthisislocation, %D dostartthisisrealpage, dostopthisisrealpage} %D {} %D The opposite commands of \type{\dogotosomething} have only %D one argument: %D %D \starttypen %D \dostartthisislocation {label} %D \dostartthisisrealpage {page} %D \stoptypen %D %D These commands are accompanied by: %D %D \starttypen %D \dostopthisislocation %D \dostopthisisrealpage %D \stoptypen %D %D As with all interactive commands's they are installed as %D \type{and} category specials. \installspecial [\dostartthisislocation] [and] [1] \installspecial [\dostopthisislocation] [and] [0] \installspecial [\dostartthisisrealpage] [and] [1] \installspecial [\dostopthisisrealpage] [and] [0] Now the file spec-pdf defines: \definespecial\dostartthisislocation#1% {\ifusepagedestinations \else \setPDFdestination{#1}% \doifsomething{\PDFdestination} {\special {\@@insertpostscriptretain [/Dest /\PDFdestination\space /View [/Fit] /DEST pdfmark}}% \fi} While spec-tpd says: \definespecial\dostartthisislocation#1% {\ifusepagedestinations \else \setPDFdestination{#1}% \doifsomething{\PDFdestination} {\pdfdest name {\PDFdestination} fit}% \fi} and spec-htm something like: \definespecial\dostartthisislocation#1% {\special{html: } \definespecial\dostopthisislocation% {\special{html: } By saying for instance \usespecials[tpd], the tpd ones are activated etc etc. Now this special driver is nearly package independant, so you could probably use is right away. (Sort of funny: that way we finally would have a sort of special standard). > presumably if you want a larger or smaller enclosing area in pdftex, > you would just do it with TeX boxes? Indeed. Right at this moment I let MetaPost generate funny shapes instead of rectangles. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 08:10:11 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03398 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA18776 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:16:05 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA18768 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:15:53 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10736 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:04:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:03:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:41:40 +0100 Message-ID: <8162-Wed01Oct1997144140+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex newbie In-Reply-To: <34323239.36A8@sprintmail.com> References: <34323239.36A8@sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > From briefly monitoring this group, I see that pdftex is in it's > formative stages, until it is stable what can I use, .dvi to web2c to > pdf??? you can use ordinary TeX to .dvi to .ps (dvips) to .pdf (Distiller), no problems pdftex is stable and very useable, *except* for EPS graphics. you either have to accept that only a subset work, or convert them to .png (using Ghostscript) > Is there a guide that I can use to set up the appropriate pdftex > environment? I have downloaded miktex and have used YAP to preview .DVI > files, but when I try to print YAP spits a METAFONT not set msg at me. I > present this as an example of things that I would like to avoid by going > to a guide and being assured that I have set the appropriate > environment. i personally use web2c-win32 under Windows NT; CTAN:systems/win32/web2c. if you install that, it works, and includes a current pdftex. you don't get a .dvi previewer, but who needs that? just use dvips, then ghostview to look at it web2c-win32 lacks, at present, install and maintenance programs, but it has plausible instructions (minimal work required). it has the great attraction that it is totally compatible with Unix web2c systems Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 08:11:27 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03438 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA18777 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:16:07 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA18769 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:15:55 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10739 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:04:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:03:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:03:12 +0100 Message-ID: <3043-Wed01Oct1997150312+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <34325381.363D@pi.net> References: <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <343200CB.3D0C@pi.net> <8013-Wed01Oct1997105336+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34325381.363D@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hans Hagen writes: > > Well, normal in-text links never get borders, simply becayuse they > serve no purpose. they serve the purpose of marking the link, if you dont choose to use typography... > If people want this, I would advise them to use ConTeXt. Although I we are waiting patiently :-} > \setupinteraction[status=start] > > activates the lot, and when turned off (which is default), we just > get a normal text, > lists etc. you want me to run the TeX job twice, once for PDF, once for print? what i want to deliver just one pdf file, from which people can get clean traditional printed pages? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 08:17:37 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03545 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:17:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA18833 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:22:58 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA18829 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:22:52 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl61.pi.net [145.220.204.61]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA02434; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:11:57 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:11:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34325605.5A1C@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:54:13 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <4244-Mon29Sep1997111920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34320A59.6C85@pi.net> <2357-Wed01Oct1997130710+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > That's why I also implemented a sort of bookmark overrule feature, think of: > > > > \chapter{Hi {\bf there}, here\high{we go}} > > > > Here one can directly say afterwards, > > > > \bookmark{Hi there, here we go} > a bit like LaTeX's \chapter[]{}; sadly, in LaTeX we'd have to add > extra markup. BTW I always use the first [] for references, like: \chapter[very important]{A very inportant chapter} We also can do \chapter[..]{alternative number}{title} so that's why I could not integrate the alternative bookmark title in the chapter command. > One also sometimes has to provide decent bookmarks him/herself, > which makes 'doing nothing' sometimes into 'doing something'. indeed, hyperref has a `write direct to bookmark' command... In fact I can now say: \definelist[extra bookmarks] \definelist[funny bookmarks] and say \bookmark[extra bookmarks]{A bonus} etc etc and call for that specific list too. Of course those lists can also be typeset, but that already was standard functionality. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 08:28:14 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03778 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA18883 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:33:46 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA18879 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:33:40 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl61.pi.net [145.220.204.61]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA05971; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:19:09 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:19:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34325AE7.2C9A@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:15:03 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pragma@pi.net, pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <343200CB.3D0C@pi.net> <8013-Wed01Oct1997105336+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34325381.363D@pi.net> <3043-Wed01Oct1997150312+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > If people want this, I would advise them to use ConTeXt. Although I > we are waiting patiently :-} Ton is finishing the english introduction manual at this moment, so soon you've got something to read. > > \setupinteraction[status=start] > > > > activates the lot, and when turned off (which is default), we just > > get a normal text, > > lists etc. > you want me to run the TeX job twice, once for PDF, once for print? > what i want to deliver just one pdf file, from which people can get > clean traditional printed pages? Indeed when tuned for the screen, simply because their aspect rations differ. And isn't it the strong point of TeX that we can do two runs. When we design for sceen, in most cases we also provide a separate parallel document for printing (you can see that on the ex-files demo cd I gave you). Somehow Adobe cannot be convinced that there should be something Then I would be very happy. (I tried something using the include ps pdfmarks, but this works only partly, and only on PS printers.) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 08:33:17 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03902 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:33:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA18949 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:38:49 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA18937 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:38:33 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11867 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:26:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:26:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:23:48 +0100 Message-ID: <9905-Wed01Oct1997152348+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <9710011401.aa06931@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <7505-Wed01Oct1997101346+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9710011401.aa06931@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu it looks plausible, extending the HTML syntax with width and height; but careful about things like: > \def\hyper@@link[#1]#2#3#4{% i regret to say that you are going to have a nasty shock when i release hyperref 6.0, as due to combination of myself and David Carlisle many internals will have changed..... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 08:34:45 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03914 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA18951 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:38:49 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA18940 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:38:36 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11870 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:26:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:27:04 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:26:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1007-Wed01Oct1997152624+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pragma@pi.net Cc: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <34325AE7.2C9A@pi.net> References: <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <343200CB.3D0C@pi.net> <8013-Wed01Oct1997105336+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34325381.363D@pi.net> <3043-Wed01Oct1997150312+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34325AE7.2C9A@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hans Hagen writes: > > you want me to run the TeX job twice, once for PDF, once for print? From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 09:14:43 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04936 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA19232 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:17:40 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA19228 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:17:31 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13697 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:05:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:05:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:03:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1861-Wed01Oct1997160328+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Cc: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <34325605.5A1C@pi.net> References: <4244-Mon29Sep1997111920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34320A59.6C85@pi.net> <2357-Wed01Oct1997130710+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34325605.5A1C@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > BTW I always use the first [] for references, like: > > \chapter[very important]{A very inportant chapter} > but thats different, in LaTeX. its used for the TOC. where you may *want* markup do you support the bookmark set being the list of figures? sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 09:19:39 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05073 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA19281 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:24:51 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA19277 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:24:45 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14051 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:13:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:12:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:10:40 +0100 Message-ID: <9221-Wed01Oct1997161040+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Cc: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <343250B5.2867@pi.net> References: <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709301637.aa23256@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <7505-Wed01Oct1997101346+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <343250B5.2867@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > Well, as far as I can see the XDVI syntax is not adequate. its made thousands of people happy... Wanna see the big > picture? The next piece of text is copied from spec-ini.tex. This aargh, this needs a wet towel around the head > [/Dest /\PDFdestination\space > /View [/Fit] thats a bit hard-wired.... Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 12:03:48 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10416 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id NAA19699 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:57:22 -0400 Received: from mailgate22 (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA19695 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:57:17 -0400 Received: by mailgate22 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29140; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:46:06 -0700 Received: from sdn-ts-001mabostp03.dialsprint.net(206.133.32.22) by mailfep3-hme1 via smap (KC5.24) id Q_10.1.1.8/Q_28380_1_34328c5c; Wed Oct 1 10:46:04 1997 Message-ID: <34328C2A.72F2@sprintmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:45:14 -0400 From: Daniel Griffis X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI300B01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex newbie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Allin Cottrell wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Daniel Griffis wrote, inter alia: > > > From briefly monitoring this group, I see that pdftex is in it's > > formative stages, until it is stable what can I use, .dvi to web2c to > > pdf??? > > >From my experiences, I would describe pdftex as very stable. > It is being refined in various ways, but its basic > functionality seems as stable as any means of generating > pdf. > > Allin Cottrell > Department of Economics > Wake Forest University I guess stable was the wrong word to use. Thank you for your response. I have run pdxtex against a sample .tex file and the output file was a .dvi file. I thought that the output as going to be a .pdf file. Is there a step that I missed?? From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 1 12:26:36 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11300 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id OAA19745 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:25:19 -0400 Received: from f1n3.sp2net.wfu.edu (root@f1n3.sp2net.wfu.edu [152.17.8.13]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA19741 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:25:07 -0400 Received: from f1n11.sp2net.wfu.edu by f1n3.sp2net.wfu.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA46066; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:13:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by f1n11.sp2net.wfu.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA72846; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:13:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Allin Cottrell X-Sender: cottrell@f1n11.spenet.wfu.edu To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex newbie In-Reply-To: <34328C2A.72F2@sprintmail.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Daniel Griffis wrote: > I guess stable was the wrong word to use. Thank you for your response. I > have run pdxtex against a sample .tex file and the output file was a > .dvi file. I thought that the output as going to be a .pdf file. Is > there a step that I missed?? Yes, looking at "example.tex" from the pdftex distribution :^). In there you would have seen the formula \pdfoutput=1 ...the point being that pdftex is a real tex, and as such produces dvi by default. Allin Cottrell Department of Economics Wake Forest University From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 00:48:48 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28049 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id CAA20209 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:53:02 -0400 Received: from ns.connext.net (connext.net [207.42.196.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA20205 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:52:54 -0400 Received: from pp248.connext.net (pp248.connext.net [207.42.196.248]) by ns.connext.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA15021 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: jeffmac@connext.net (Jeffrey McArthur) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex newbie Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 06:28:54 GMT Organization: ATLIS Publishing Services Message-ID: <34363ef6.2905818@mail.connext.net> References: <34323239.36A8@sprintmail.com> <8162-Wed01Oct1997144140+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8162-Wed01Oct1997144140+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.cs.umb.edu id CAA20206 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:41:40 +0100, you wrote: >pdftex is stable and very useable, *except* for EPS graphics. you >either have to accept that only a subset work, or convert them to .png >(using Ghostscript) What are some guidelines about what type of EPS's work and what will not work with PDF TeX? From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 02:53:21 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00302 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id EAA20329 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:59:23 -0400 Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id EAA20325 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:59:18 -0400 Received: from lennox.dcs.ed.ac.uk (da@dialup-111.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.111]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23951 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:48:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:48:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710020848.JAA23951@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Aspinall To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex newbie X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Both Allin and Sebastian claimed that pdftex is "very stable". What does that mean? Broken and unchanging? FWIW, the Sparc version of pdflatex (built from sources in tetex-0.9) segmentation faults intermittently for me when run on a (particular) large document. Regular latex has no such problem with the same files. I've no idea how to track down where the problem is. In case anyone feels inclined to send me some dummy instructions for something useful I could do with gdb and the core image, or (preferably) some other investigation, go ahead... - David. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 05:07:40 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@[158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02583 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA20433 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:29:13 -0400 Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA20429 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:29:07 -0400 Received: from malone.maths.soton.ac.uk (malone.maths.soton.ac.uk [152.78.40.10]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id LAA22529 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:18:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from maths.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.40.13]) by malone.maths.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/server-8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00458 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:23:40 +0100 Message-ID: <343374E5.B8C3F34A@maths.soton.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:18:13 +0100 From: Dr JH Renshaw Organization: University of Southampton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: PDF printing problem Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FA1D558FBB7077906862316C" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FA1D558FBB7077906862316C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologise that this is not directly related to pdftex but I have a problem when printing PDF files and wondered if anyone on the list could help me out. Basically some characters don't seem to print although I can see them when viewed with Acrobat reader or ghostscript. I have tried using pdftex, dvips->ghostscript and also acrobat exchange to create the PDF files but always get the same problem. I have included an example PDF file as an attachment in case it helps. Trial and error has led me to believe that it has something to do with the CMSY10 font. It seems that if you include a single symbol from this font (a minus sign in my example), it doesn't print BUT if you include more than one symbol everything seems ok. While I have your attention, I have come across a problem with a style file that was written for latex2.09. When I run it under latex2e I get error messages indicating that it doesn't recognise the command \@itemlabel. I tracked it down to a redefinition of the command \trivlist and from what I can see, in latex2.09 \trivlist didn't seem to need a definition for \@itemlabel whereas in latex2e it does. Can anyone explain what is happening here? Should there be a global (default) definition of \@itemlabel somewhere in latex2e? 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1997 13:15:29 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34337E6A.5BF5@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:58:50 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: pdftex newbie References: <34323239.36A8@sprintmail.com> <8162-Wed01Oct1997144140+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34363ef6.2905818@mail.connext.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Jeffrey McArthur wrote: > What are some guidelines about what type of EPS's work and what will > not work with PDF TeX? Files with one object and no fonts. All MetaPost ps files work ok. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 05:24:14 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02837 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id HAA20561 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:29:50 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA20557 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:29:44 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl49.pi.net [145.220.204.49]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA13332; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:23 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34327542.1CE@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:07:30 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu, pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709301637.aa23256@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <7505-Wed01Oct1997101346+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <343250B5.2867@pi.net> <9221-Wed01Oct1997161040+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > [/Dest /\PDFdestination\space > > /View [/Fit] > thats a bit hard-wired.... I know. Maybe some day I add an extra argument with options (takes only a few minutes). I never felt the need for something different than fit. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 05:33:09 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02994 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id HAA20577 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:31:21 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA20567 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:31:13 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl49.pi.net [145.220.204.49]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA13310; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:20 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34327473.1C99@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:04:03 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sebastian Rahtz CC: pragma@pi.net, pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <4244-Mon29Sep1997111920+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9709300026.aa13166@graves.maths.tcd.ie> <4251-Tue30Sep1997093840+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34320A59.6C85@pi.net> <2357-Wed01Oct1997130710+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <34325605.5A1C@pi.net> <1861-Wed01Oct1997160328+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > BTW I always use the first [] for references, like: > > > > \chapter[very important]{A very inportant chapter} > > > but thats different, in LaTeX. its used for the TOC. where you may > *want* markup Ok, I understand, I do that a bit different, but not that ellegant I suppose. > do you support the bookmark set being the list of figures? > sebastian Every system of user defined list. In ConTeXt one can have as many as needed, coupled into sets or not. The table of content is such a set. Combined lists can be cross linked automatically, so one can ju,p from list to sublist etc. Each list can be called, have its own characteristics, etc. Lists can be called local (per chapter, section etc) or global. One can use predefined typesetting or hook his/her own macros into the system. Every entry in a list can be interactive as well as the whole. One can turn off elements if an entry etc. I once had an (interactive) document that used a few hundred lists. All such lists are put in the main auxiliary file and filtered. In ConTeXt I have one file for references, lists, sorted lists, registers, two pass date, page number tracing, etc. Generating bookmarks is just another way of processing lists, so every list indeed can end up as a bookmark. Apart from seeing no real use fo rthis, it can be nice for testing purposes. I'm not sure about the nesting depth of bookmarks, but in ConTeXt there is no real limit (as long as there are section levels defined (7 by default)). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 05:37:22 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03031 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id HAA20536 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:26:45 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA20531 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:26:36 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl49.pi.net [145.220.204.49]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA13407; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:35 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34338011.66F4@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:05:53 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: pdftex newbie References: <199710020848.JAA23951@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu David Aspinall wrote: > Both Allin and Sebastian claimed that pdftex is "very stable". > What does that mean? Broken and unchanging? Some known problems: (1) wrong page destinations (offset 0/1 problem) (2) accumulating inaccuracy per page when many links are used (3) sometimes quite while silent recovery is possible (4) sometimes wrong annotations (random views) when no text is given between \pdfannotlink and \pdfendlink (5) abortion when map file does not conform rigid format These problems are known to Than and will be solved when he's back. (1), (2) and (4) probably will not occur within LaTeX, because (if I understood the discussion right) it uses named destinations and let's pdftex sort out the active areas (so there's always text before the \pdfendlink. Therefore, for most users, pdftex can be classified as stable c.q. dvi compatible. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 07:16:41 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@[158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04799 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA20974 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:10:36 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA20970 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:10:29 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15339 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:58:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:58:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:53:48 +0100 Message-ID: <2204-Thu02Oct1997135348+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: pdftex newbie In-Reply-To: <199710020848.JAA23951@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <199710020848.JAA23951@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu David Aspinall writes: > Both Allin and Sebastian claimed that pdftex is "very stable". > What does that mean? Broken and unchanging? unbroken, unlikely to change substantially > FWIW, the Sparc version of pdflatex (built from sources in tetex-0.9) > segmentation faults intermittently for me when run on a (particular) > large document. Regular latex has no such problem with the same I have never had a segmentation fault from pdftex that I can recall.... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 08:06:08 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05870 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA21076 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:59:43 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA21072 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:59:32 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17400 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:47:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:48:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:45:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4566-Thu02Oct1997144512+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Cc: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: pdftex newbie In-Reply-To: <34338011.66F4@pi.net> References: <199710020848.JAA23951@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <34338011.66F4@pi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hans Hagen writes: > (1) wrong page destinations (offset 0/1 problem) > (2) accumulating inaccuracy per page when many links are used i am not clear why this is related to the number of links? > These problems are known to Than and will be solved when he's > back. (1), (2) and (4) probably > will not occur within LaTeX, because (if I understood the > discussion right) it uses named > destinations and let's pdftex sort out the active areas the *hyperref* package only uses named destinations, but LaTeX in general might use anything sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 11:13:11 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@[158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12044 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id MAA21378 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:58:07 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA21374 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:57:52 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl58.pi.net [145.220.204.58]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA07862; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:46:41 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:46:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3433C859.75E4@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:14:17 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: pdftex newbie References: <199710020848.JAA23951@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <34338011.66F4@pi.net> <4566-Thu02Oct1997144512+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > Hans Hagen writes: > > (1) wrong page destinations (offset 0/1 problem) > > (2) accumulating inaccuracy per page when many links are used > i am not clear why this is related to the number of links? You're right. Simple side to side tests also show dvi->pdf and pdftex->pdf incompatibility, but somehow the error accumulates fast when building highly interactive documents. Anyway, Than already knows the solution. > > These problems are known to Than and will be solved when he's > > back. (1), (2) and (4) probably > > will not occur within LaTeX, because (if I understood the > > discussion right) it uses named > > destinations and let's pdftex sort out the active areas > > the *hyperref* package only uses named destinations, but LaTeX in > general might use anything Sure, but most users probably use your package, so they're safe for this error. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 11:23:14 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@[158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12326 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id MAA21372 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:57:48 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA21367 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:57:37 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl58.pi.net [145.220.204.58]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA07823; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:46:37 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:46:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3433C763.769C@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:10:11 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: PDF printing problem References: <343374E5.B8C3F34A@maths.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Dr JH Renshaw wrote: > Basically some characters don't seem to print although I can see them > when viewed with Acrobat reader or ghostscript. I have tried using > pdftex, dvips->ghostscript and also acrobat exchange to create the PDF > files but always get the same problem. I have included an example PDF Did you also try distiller? This kind of problems are often due to font caching and or name mismatch. When using distiller, don't include the fonts in the ps file! There are known printing problems with the 3.0 viewer. Did you try the new 3.01 one? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 11:23:14 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@[158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12326 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id MAA21372 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:57:48 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA21367 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:57:37 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl58.pi.net [145.220.204.58]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA07823; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:46:37 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:46:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3433C763.769C@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:10:11 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: PDF printing problem References: <343374E5.B8C3F34A@maths.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Dr JH Renshaw wrote: > Basically some characters don't seem to print although I can see them > when viewed with Acrobat reader or ghostscript. I have tried using > pdftex, dvips->ghostscript and also acrobat exchange to create the PDF > files but always get the same problem. I have included an example PDF Did you also try distiller? This kind of problems are often due to font caching and or name mismatch. When using distiller, don't include the fonts in the ps file! There are known printing problems with the 3.0 viewer. Did you try the new 3.01 one? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 2 11:49:08 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13115 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id NAA21542 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:51:37 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA21538 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:51:27 -0400 Received: from graves.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id aa15411; 2 Oct 97 18:40 +0100 Subject: Re: changes to hyperref To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:40:29 +0100 (BST) From: Timothy Murphy In-Reply-To: <9905-Wed01Oct1997152348+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> from "Sebastian Rahtz" at Oct 1, 97 03:23:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9710021840.aa23206@graves.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > > it looks plausible, extending the HTML syntax with width and height; > but careful about things like: > > > \def\hyper@@link[#1]#2#3#4{% > > i regret to say that you are going to have a nasty shock when i > release hyperref 6.0, as due to combination of myself and David > Carlisle many internals will have changed..... But can't macros like this, which are used elsewhere, be allowed an optional [...] argument? This shouldn't affect people who don't use the argument. Just to repeat my main point: it seems to me that PDF's "rectangle", required by a link, is exactly the same as a TeX box; so at the very least you should allow users if they wish to create a TeX/LaTeX box and pass its dimensions on to the driver. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 3 03:04:59 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04165 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id FAA22079 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:05:50 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA22075 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:05:41 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15172 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:53:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:54:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:32:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3946-Fri03Oct1997093202+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <9710021840.aa23206@graves.maths.tcd.ie> References: <9905-Wed01Oct1997152348+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9710021840.aa23206@graves.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > > But can't macros like this, which are used elsewhere, > be allowed an optional [...] argument? > This shouldn't affect people who don't use the argument. yes, but some of the macros *already* have an optional argument, so its not going to be straightforward > it seems to me that PDF's "rectangle", required by a link, > is exactly the same as a TeX box; > so at the very least you should allow users if they wish > to create a TeX/LaTeX box and pass its dimensions on to the driver. and i repeat, this already happens... if you want a different sized box, lie about it to TeX before the hyperlink is made. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 3 06:55:26 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07877 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id IAA22253 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:58:08 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA22249 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:58:02 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23087 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:46:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:46:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:45:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4834-Fri03Oct1997134551+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.6 (via feedmail 7 I) From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: placed pdf Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu If you look around the Adobe Web site, you'll see they have announced `Placed PDF', the equivalent of EPS. Obviously this is exactly what pdftex needs, to allow existing EPS files to be converted to PDF and then placed in pdftex PDF pages. Looking good...... Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 3 08:23:34 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09841 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:23:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA22354 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:07:21 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA22350 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:07:09 -0400 Received: from graves.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id aa18722; 3 Oct 97 14:56 +0100 Subject: Re: changes to hyperref To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:56:08 +0100 (BST) From: Timothy Murphy In-Reply-To: <3946-Fri03Oct1997093202+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> from "Sebastian Rahtz" at Oct 3, 97 09:32:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9710031456.aa09246@graves.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > > > > > But can't macros like this, which are used elsewhere, > > be allowed an optional [...] argument? > > This shouldn't affect people who don't use the argument. > > yes, but some of the macros *already* have an optional argument, so > its not going to be straightforward I don't understand this. If there already _is_ an optional [...] argument, then there is nothing to do. The hyperlink macros do _not_ seem to allow optional arguments. > > it seems to me that PDF's "rectangle", required by a link, > > is exactly the same as a TeX box; > > so at the very least you should allow users if they wish > > to create a TeX/LaTeX box and pass its dimensions on to the driver. > > and i repeat, this already happens... if you want a different sized > box, lie about it to TeX before the hyperlink is made. You seem to be thinking only of pdftex . A driver that goes via DVI will _not_ know the current box (unless something has escaped me). From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 3 11:08:07 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14714 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id NAA22539 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:01:15 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA22535 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:01:06 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl62.pi.net [145.220.204.62]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA09834; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:49:50 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:49:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34351F56.6577@pi.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:37:42 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: changes to hyperref References: <9710031456.aa09246@graves.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > But can't macros like this, which are used elsewhere, > > > be allowed an optional [...] argument? > > > This shouldn't affect people who don't use the argument. > > > > yes, but some of the macros *already* have an optional argument, so > > its not going to be straightforward > > I don't understand this. > If there already _is_ an optional [...] argument, > then there is nothing to do. > > The hyperlink macros do _not_ seem to allow optional arguments. > > > > it seems to me that PDF's "rectangle", required by a link, > > > is exactly the same as a TeX box; > > > so at the very least you should allow users if they wish > > > to create a TeX/LaTeX box and pass its dimensions on to the driver. > > > > and i repeat, this already happens... if you want a different sized > > box, lie about it to TeX before the hyperlink is made. > > You seem to be thinking only of pdftex . > A driver that goes via DVI will _not_ know the current box > (unless something has escaped me). I'm not going to interfere in this discussion, but pdftex handles the stuff between \pdfannotlink and \pdfendlink, so there you can put your box. I'm not sure, but dvips and xdvi probably act at the dvi level and try to make the best of it. Indeed, for full control, you need to pass dimensions, and that's exactly what I'm doing for some years now. At least it permits me to build documents with nice and rich user interfaces. You need of course macros to handle thing typographically properly, just to mention offsets, breaks, shifts etc. If I find the time, and depending on the interest, I can write an article on this topic. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sat Oct 4 07:10:43 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08127 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 07:10:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA23330 for pdftex-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:17:12 -0400 Received: from first.gni.net (root@ns.choin.net [194.64.24.193]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA23326 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:17:01 -0400 Received: from berlin1.netsurf.de (msn-61.au1.b.uunet.de [149.229.255.61]) by first.gni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21437 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:16:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3435EA76.12899416@berlin1.netsurf.de> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 09:04:22 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: placed pdf References: <4834-Fri03Oct1997134551+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > If you look around the Adobe Web site, you'll see they have announced > `Placed PDF', the equivalent of EPS. Obviously this is exactly what > pdftex needs, to allow existing EPS files to be converted to PDF and > then placed in pdftex PDF pages. Sound good, the remaining question is: When will Adobe offer the specs? At www.Adobe.com I can only find* a 9 paged document, which looks as if it were for an over head projector. Did you found more? Tobias *I didn't expect to find the specs since I know Adobe's PostScript 3 anouncements: They release/present the features of PS 3, they have programs supporting them, but they haven't released the specs :-( I quote from "Extending PDF - New Tools and Technologies" (cacioppo.pdf): > PDF: The Reliable Digital Master ================================== > Acrobat Placed PDF > * Allows reuse of millions of PDF pages > * Higher reliability than de facto EPS > * High quality predictable output > * On screen placement and preview > Acrobat Placed PDF Development Library > * Developer licensable tool provides: > – PDF import > – PDF Preview > – PDF data query > – Resources, Fonts, Links, OPI > – PostScript generation > Placed PDF adoption > * Announced support in PageMaker 6.5 > – Available in December > – Update is a free download > * Key developer announcement this week > * Additional developers planning support From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 6 03:23:47 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA22383 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 03:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id FAA24792 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:22:26 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA24788 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:22:21 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28516 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:10:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:10:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:20:50 +0100 Message-ID: <5324-Mon06Oct1997092050+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: placed pdf In-Reply-To: <3435EA76.12899416@berlin1.netsurf.de> References: <4834-Fri03Oct1997134551+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <3435EA76.12899416@berlin1.netsurf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > > Sound good, the remaining question is: When will Adobe offer the specs? > At www.Adobe.com I can only find* a 9 paged document, which looks > as if it were for an over head projector. > Did you found more? no, i found what you did. i got the reference from a Seybold report > > Placed PDF adoption ... > > * Key developer announcement this week maybe we should ask TV Raman to follow this up... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 6 03:23:51 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA22387 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 03:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id FAA24786 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:21:28 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA24782 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:21:19 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28412 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:09:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:10:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:12:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4416-Mon06Oct1997091224+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: changes to hyperref In-Reply-To: <9710031456.aa09246@graves.maths.tcd.ie> References: <3946-Fri03Oct1997093202+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <9710031456.aa09246@graves.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > I don't understand this. > If there already _is_ an optional [...] argument, > then there is nothing to do. it does something else! > The hyperlink macros do _not_ seem to allow optional arguments. \hyperref and \hyperdef do > > and i repeat, this already happens... if you want a different sized > > box, lie about it to TeX before the hyperlink is made. > > You seem to be thinking only of pdftex . > A driver that goes via DVI will _not_ know the current box but that would need a new driver setup. when a new driver comes alomg which can be passed a box size, i'll make hyperref produce it. as it is, specicifying a box is no use, because you have nowhere to store it. if you write a new driver (eg your Java thing) which uses the same syntax as hypertex, but with extensions, then tell me what extra information should be produced, and how you plan to make it compatible with hypertex drivers... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 6 09:29:37 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29889 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA25086 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:37 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA25081 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:32 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl58.pi.net [145.220.204.58]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA17048; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3438FFB0.6E91@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:11:44 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: dos version Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu When our tex editing environment runs under W95, I call the pdftex windows version. The windows pdftex runs ok in a dos box as well as indirectly called from the editor or other programs. When our environment runs under DOS, I would like to call the dos version of pdftex. The pdftex dos version I downloaded from CTAN somehow runs well in a DOS box but not under raw DOS (I always start up under DOS and from there start W95 if needed.). PDFTEX for DOS reports that DPMI is not available, while xms/ems is loaded. Is there a remedy? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 6 09:29:55 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29924 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA25091 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:44 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA25087 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:29:38 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl58.pi.net [145.220.204.58]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA17085; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:18:40 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:18:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3438FFB0.6E91@pi.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:11:44 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: dos version Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu When our tex editing environment runs under W95, I call the pdftex windows version. The windows pdftex runs ok in a dos box as well as indirectly called from the editor or other programs. When our environment runs under DOS, I would like to call the dos version of pdftex. The pdftex dos version I downloaded from CTAN somehow runs well in a DOS box but not under raw DOS (I always start up under DOS and from there start W95 if needed.). PDFTEX for DOS reports that DPMI is not available, while xms/ems is loaded. Is there a remedy? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 6 19:12:49 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16285 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id VAA25700 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:21:09 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id VAA25696 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:21:00 -0400 Received: by md2.vsnl.net.in; id AA29233; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:44:56 +0530 Message-Id: <343AF28B.50D167AA@md2.vsnl.net.in> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 06:40:11 +0400 From: "C.V.Radhakrishnan" Organization: River Valley Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: dos version References: <3438FFB0.6E91@pi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hans Hagen wrote: > The pdftex dos version I downloaded from CTAN somehow > runs well in a DOS box but not under raw DOS (I always start up under > DOS and from there start W95 if needed.). PDFTEX for DOS reports that > DPMI is not available, while xms/ems is loaded. Is there a remedy? > I also faced the very same problem with dos. I believe what it looks forward is the dos protected mode. I don't know much about it. But I have made a crude solution for it. The dos shell from Windows has DPMI and you would not have such a problem running pdftex. However I would love to make the dos 32 bit combatible. Can anybody help in making available dpmi to the regular dos box? Radhakrishnan ******************************************************************** C. V. Radhakrishnan | Tel. +91 471 321224 (Office) River Valley Technologies | +91 471 324341 (Home) Software Technology Park | Fax. +91 471 330037 Bakery Junction, Trivandrum | email. river@earthling.net India 695034 | cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in ******************************************************************** From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 6 19:45:09 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16914 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id VAA25776 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:52:59 -0400 Received: from a.crl.com (A.crl.com [165.113.1.65]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA25772 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:52:53 -0400 Received: from a.crl.com (A116007.stl1.as.crl.com [168.75.116.7]) by a.crl.com (8.8.6/) via ESMTP id SAA21809; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:36:35 -0700 (PDT) env-from (weiqigao@a.crl.com) Message-ID: <34399345.336810F8@a.crl.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:41:25 -0500 From: Weiqi Gao Organization: Spectrum Healthcare Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu, djgpp@delorie.com Subject: Re: dos version References: <3438FFB0.6E91@pi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hans Hagen wrote: > > When our tex editing environment runs under W95, I call the pdftex > windows version. The windows pdftex runs ok in a dos box as well as > indirectly called from the editor or other programs. > > When our environment runs under DOS, I would like to call the dos > version of pdftex. The pdftex dos version I downloaded from CTAN somehow > runs well in a DOS box but not under raw DOS (I always start up under > DOS and from there start W95 if needed.). PDFTEX for DOS reports that > DPMI is not available, while xms/ems is loaded. Is there a remedy? > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans, The required DPMI server is freely available from ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/simtelnet/gnu/djgpp/csdpmi3b.zip. The source of which is in csdpmi3s.zip. To use, simply unzip the binary (csdpmi3b.zip) distribution and put the resulted CWSDPMI.EXE in your DOS %PATH%. I have no experience of running CWSDPMI.EXE programs and XMS/EMS programs at the same time though. -- Weiqi Gao weiqigao@a.crl.com From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 7 06:29:45 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA28971 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id IAA26190 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:17:04 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id IAA26186 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:16:58 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl20.pi.net [145.220.204.20]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA19809; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:05:35 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:05:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <343A0780.631F@pi.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:57:20 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: dos version References: <3438FFB0.6E91@pi.net> <34399345.336810F8@a.crl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Weiqi Gao wrote: > which is in csdpmi3s.zip. To use, simply unzip the binary > (csdpmi3b.zip) distribution and put the resulted CWSDPMI.EXE in your DOS > %PATH%. > > I have no experience of running CWSDPMI.EXE programs and XMS/EMS > programs at the same time though. It works ok now, thanks, Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 8 07:46:15 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04237 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA28119 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:44:15 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA28115 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:44:07 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00693 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:32:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:32:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:33:54 +0100 Message-ID: <6594-Wed08Oct1997123354+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: hypertex-dev@aps.org, pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: hyperref 6.0 needs alpha testers X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I have spent some time recently, with much help from David Carlisle, hacking at the LaTeX hyperref package to make it neater internally, and to add more features. hyperref now supports the `xr' package properly, allowing you to refer to \labels in other files (it requires a modified xr.sty, which will be standard at the next LaTeX release, all being well). It will shortly (Donald Arseneau is working on it) work much better with the url package, allowing URLs to break across lines and make multiple links (for drivers other than pdftex). The main change to the interface is that all features and settings are now specified with the same keyval interface, either as in \usepackage[bookmarks,filecolor=red,dvips,hyperindex=false]{hyperref} or a \hypersetup{bookmarks,filecolor=red,dvips,hyperindex=false,pdftitle={My File}} somewhere (which latter form works well in a hyperref.cfg, obviously). i am debating how to possibly support: \href[color=blue]{url}{bar} but am not 100% convinced its desirable. obviously, as Tim Murphy pointed out, people can define extra keys in .cfg file, if they can think of what they should do.... This has enabled me to remove a slew of odd \defs from around the package, and clean up some inconsistences. Now i just have to document the 51 defined keys! To confirm, if you didn't know, the drivers supported are: - hypertex (principally used by xdvi and dvips -z) - dvips (for producing PS suitable for Acrobat Distiller) - dvipsone (for producing PS suitable for Acrobat Distiller) - dviwindo (Windows previewer) - OzTeX (though i am slightly unclear which driver he uses) - pdftex If anyone on this list wants to get a test copy of hyperref 6.0, or has views on missing *features* (not bugs), can they contact me? I am growing wary in old age of putting stuff blithely on CTAN without independent confirmation that it works :-} I'll be changing this stuff, and documenting it, for the next few weeks, and will happily add any features or fixes requested if either a) its easy, b) someone else writes the code :-} Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 8 19:37:32 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23025 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:37:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id VAA30661 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:42:25 -0400 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id VAA30657 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:42:18 -0400 Received: by md2.vsnl.net.in; id AA24314; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:06:11 +0530 Message-Id: <343D9A83.573C1C04@md2.vsnl.net.in> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:01:23 +0400 From: "C.V.Radhakrishnan" Organization: River Valley Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: hyperref 6.0 needs alpha testers References: <6594-Wed08Oct1997123354+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > If anyone on this list wants to get a test copy of hyperref 6.0, or > has views on missing *features* (not bugs), can they contact me? I am > growing wary in old age of putting stuff blithely on CTAN without > independent confirmation that it works :-} > > I'll be changing this stuff, and documenting it, for the next few > weeks, and will happily add any features or fixes requested if either > a) its easy, b) someone else writes the code :-} > Yes I need a copy. Could you attach it to the return mail. I shall make a try and report the bugs if I encounter anything like that. Best regads. Radhakrishnan ******************************************************************** C. V. Radhakrishnan | Tel. +91 471 321224 (Office) River Valley Technologies | +91 471 324341 (Home) Software Technology Park | Fax. +91 471 330037 Bakery Junction, Trivandrum | email. river@earthling.net India 695034 | cvr@md2.vsnl.net.in ******************************************************************** From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 9 13:41:53 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15063 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id PAA00256 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:46:43 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@wydo122.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.232.122]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA00252 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:46:37 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA32051; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:35:47 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: PDFtex output and Mac Acrobat Reader? X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.88 "Tsurugi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Alan Shutko Date: 09 Oct 1997 14:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I created a PDF (http://hubert.wuh.wustl.edu/~ats/Handbook.pdf) that works fine under the Linux acroread, but doesn't disply text on the Mac acroread. I'm using PDFTeX 0.11 as bundled with teTeX 0.9. Anyone know how to get this to work? -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted All the world's a Schrodinger Box, and we are merely kitties. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 10 08:07:32 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07033 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:07:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA02640 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:08:45 -0400 Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com (dub-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA02636 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:08:40 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.6) id JAA26951 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:57:30 -0400 From: David Waller <106332.3147@compuserve.com> Subject: Another Newbie User To: "INTERNET:pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu" Message-ID: <199710100957_MC2-2372-A60D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.cs.umb.edu id KAA02637 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I have recently installed pdflatex and web2c under Windows 95. After a slow start I can now get pdflatex to work in Latex mode (setting pdfoutput to 0). However when I go for the pdf output by setting to 1, the program runs okay but fails to complete with the following messages C:/TEX/share/texmf/pdftex/cmmi.enc>; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA02897 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:46:14 -0400 Received: from first.gni.net (root@ns.choin.net [194.64.24.193]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02893 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:46:06 -0400 Received: from berlin1.netsurf.de ([194.25.65.100]) by first.gni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10997 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:45:35 +0100 Message-ID: <343E4AD5.62F894E9@berlin1.netsurf.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:33:42 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Another Newbie User References: <199710100957_MC2-2372-A60D@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CM Type 1 fonts: Bluesky: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/bluesky/ Bakoma: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/bakoma/ Paradissa: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/paradissa/ I would recommed the Blueskey once. (They are not complete but surve the most needs, they migh be completed by the others or below(?)) Type one AMSFonts are also avaiable since today: This collection includes the Euler, ``extra symbol'' and cyrillic fonts in selected sizes. CTAN: fonts/AMSFonts/ps-type1 I don't know wether you are able to use TrueType fonts, but Type 1 fonts are supported resp. for PDFTeX needed. Tobias From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 10 09:49:48 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09666 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA02920 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:58:15 -0400 Received: from first.gni.net (root@ns.choin.net [194.64.24.193]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02916 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:58:09 -0400 Received: from berlin1.netsurf.de ([194.25.65.100]) by first.gni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11485 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:57:35 +0100 Message-ID: <343E4E03.25B1ABF2@berlin1.netsurf.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:47:15 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: PDFtex output and Mac Acrobat Reader? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > I created a PDF (http://hubert.wuh.wustl.edu/~ats/Handbook.pdf) that > works fine under the Linux acroread, but doesn't disply text on the > Mac acroread. PDFTeX is known to have some weaknesses, as far as I know is there somehow a problem with the fonts and the Mac. With GhostScript under Windows I've no problems with that file. Does it display with Mac-GhostScript 5.01 ? Which version of Mac Acrobat Reader did you use? (3.01 is the current) Tobias From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 10 10:59:44 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13228 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id MAA03135 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:47:16 -0400 Received: from first.gni.net (root@ns.choin.net [194.64.24.193]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA03131 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:47:10 -0400 Received: from berlin1.netsurf.de ([194.25.65.105]) by first.gni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13750 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:46:37 +0100 Message-ID: <343E5983.B7BA1F43@berlin1.netsurf.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:36:19 +0200 From: Tobias Burnus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: PDFtex output and Mac Acrobat Reader? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > I created a PDF (http://hubert.wuh.wustl.edu/~ats/Handbook.pdf) that > works fine under the Linux acroread, but doesn't disply text on the > Mac acroread. PDFTeX is known to have some weaknesses, as far as I know is there somehow a problem with the fonts and the Mac. With GhostScript under Windows I've no problems with that file. Does it display with Mac-GhostScript 5.01 ? Which version of Mac Acrobat Reader did you use? (3.01 is the current) Tobias From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 10 12:27:59 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15872 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id OAA03423 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:29:33 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@wydo122.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.232.122]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA03419 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:29:24 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11857; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:18:31 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: PDFtex output and Mac Acrobat Reader? References: <343E4E03.25B1ABF2@berlin1.netsurf.de> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.88 "Tsurugi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Alan Shutko Date: 10 Oct 1997 13:18:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Tobias Burnus's message of Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:47:15 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >>>>> "T" == Tobias Burnus writes: T> With GhostScript under Windows I've no problems with that file. Ditto Acrobat Reader on Win95. T> Does it display with Mac-GhostScript 5.01 ? Which version of Mac T> Acrobat Reader did you use? (3.01 is the current) I haven't tried Mac-GS, because I wouldn't be able to convince our users to use it. I did try Acrobat Reader 3.0 and 3.01, neither of which worked. I suppose I'll try Mac-GS for idle curiosity, but I'll have to wait till this problem is fixed to put the document out officially. (I must say that pdftex was much easier to get happy than latex2html... whee!) -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted Oxymoron: Only Choice. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 10 16:47:14 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22230 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id SAA03802 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:51:05 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA03798 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:50:56 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08516 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:15:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:15:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:03:02 +0100 Message-ID: <454-Fri10Oct1997220302+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Another Newbie User In-Reply-To: <199710100957_MC2-2372-A60D@compuserve.com> References: <199710100957_MC2-2372-A60D@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > C:/TEX/share/texmf/pdftex/cmmi.enc> Don't know how to process font cmr7. > > I have examined pdftex.map and font cmr7 requires cmr7.pfb which I don't > have (or any others). you can get them free from CTAN > I do however have a large number of true type fonts > and would like to use these if possible. thats harder, you need TeX metrics for them. > Similarly I also have a large > number of virtual fonts and so on as used in general tex processing. thats fine. pdftex reads virtual fonts anyway > I don't know why it is insisting on using font cmr7, I have in my tex file > the line /usepackage{times} to try and force away from using cmr7, this > again fails. cmr7 is used in maths; try \usepackage{mathptm} > plus how do I install the true type fonts so that these are used in > preference (and finally how do I modify the latex file so that these work > easily) you have to generate a set of TeX tfm (and maybe vf) files, and then write a LaTeX .fd file to map the fontnames onto LaTeX internal structures. examine ot1ptm.fd for ideas, and read The LaTeX Graphics Companion chapter on fonts sorry, there isn't a canned example of this. Thanh provides a ttf2afm program to generate an AFM file from a TT font, which you might use to make metrics, but i havent had much success with it Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sat Oct 11 01:32:54 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14334 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id DAA04143 for pdftex-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:36:28 -0400 Received: from mail.club-internet.fr (mail.club-internet.fr [194.158.96.21]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA04138 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:36:13 -0400 Received: from ppp-108-171.villette.club-internet.fr (labouiss@ppp-108-171.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.108.171]) by mail.club-internet.fr (Grolier/MGC-970630-No_Relay) with SMTP id JAA11209 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:25:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: 10 Oct 97 18:52:19 +0100 From: "Christophe Labouisse" Subject: Re: PDFtex output and Mac Acrobat Reader? To: "Tobias Burnus" In-Reply-To: <343E4E03.25B1ABF2@berlin1.netsurf.de> Message-ID: <415.222T983T11323370@club-internet.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu On 10-Oct-97 16:47:15 Tobias Burnus wrote : >Does it display with Mac-GhostScript 5.01 ? >Which version of Mac Acrobat Reader did you use? (3.01 is the current) I noticed this problem with Acrobat Reader on mac either with version 3.0 or version 3.01. I didn't try Ghostscript mac BTW. -- Christophe Labouisse : Ingénieur ESIEA. Cinéma, Amiga, Internet, Unix labouiss@club-internet.fr From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 13 19:31:13 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29913 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id VAA07177 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:34:46 -0400 Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA07173 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:34:36 -0400 Received: from lennox.dcs.ed.ac.uk (da@dialup-101.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.101]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA27608; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:23:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:23:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Aspinall To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Cc: Thomas Esser Subject: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I'm using the version of pdf(la)tex distributed with the current teTeX 0.9 pre-release. Something strange has happened updating from the August release to the October one. I'm not sure where the problem has come from, and there is a possibility that it is Linux-specific. Can anyone duplicate this or suggest where the problem comes from? Problem file: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{utopia} \begin{document} Test me! \end{document} Works fine with latex. With pdflatex, I get the output shown below. Resulting pdf file appears empty (although bigger tests display characters at strange places/sizes). This problem doesn't seem to happen with the (Blue Sky) CM fonts, but all the other Type 1 sources I have do display it. (Encoding issue??) This is PDFTeX, Version 0.11 (based on TeX Version 3.14159) (Web2c 7.0) (pdftex-fonts.tex LaTeX2e <1997/06/01> Babel and hyphenation patterns for american, british, german, loaded. (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1997/06/16 v1.3v Standard LaTeX document class (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/utopia.sty) (pdftex-fonts.aux) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/ot1put.fd) [1 checksum missmatch in font putr7t.vf was ignored character width missmatch in font putr7t.vf was ignored character width missmatch in font putr7t.vf was ignored character width missmatch in font putr7t.vf was ignored character width missmatch in font putr7t.vf was ignored character width missmatch in font putr7t.vf was ignored .... character width missmatch in font putr7t.vf was ignored] (pdftex-fonts.aux) ) Output written on pdftex-fonts.pdf (1 page, 21694 bytes). Transcript written on pdftex-fonts.log. ---- David Aspinall, email: David.Aspinall@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department of Computer Science, URL: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/da University of Edinburgh, Tel: +44 131 650 5199 Edinburgh EH9 3JZ, Scotland. Fax: +44 131 667 7209 From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 13 19:58:36 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00445 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id WAA07231 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:04:17 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@wydo122.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.232.122]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA07227 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:04:12 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20824; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:53:21 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Cc: Thomas Esser Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.88 "Tsurugi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Alan Shutko Date: 13 Oct 1997 20:53:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: David Aspinall's message of Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:23:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >>>>> "D" == David Aspinall writes: D> Can anyone duplicate this or suggest where the problem comes from? I can duplicate it (using \usepackage{pslatex}). I've also tried installing the spectrum fonts I own, same results. D> Works fine with latex. With pdflatex, I get the output shown D> below. Resulting pdf file appears empty (although bigger tests D> display characters at strange places/sizes). -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 14 01:18:01 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06451 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id DAA07627 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:02:38 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA07623 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:02:27 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13724 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:51:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id IAA19858; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:55:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:55:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output In-Reply-To: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu what is in your pdftex.map ? never had a problem with utopia. Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@mail.tug.org Wed Oct 15 14:40:44 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05114 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id QAA10313 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:38:25 -0400 Received: from ooo.lanl.gov (ooo.lanl.gov [128.165.23.117]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA10309 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:38:20 -0400 Received: (from schwande@localhost) by ooo.lanl.gov (x.x.x/x.x.x) id OAA03887; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710152027.OAA03887@ooo.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Thorsten Schwander To: pdftex@mail.tug.org Subject: Re: type I cm and ams fonts References: <199710100957_MC2-2372-A60D@compuserve.com> <343E4AD5.62F894E9@berlin1.netsurf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@mail.tug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@mail.tug.org Tobias Burnus writes: > CM Type 1 fonts: > Bluesky: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/bluesky/ > Bakoma: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/bakoma/ > Paradissa: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/paradissa/ > > I would recommed the Blueskey once. > (They are not complete but surve the most needs, > they migh be completed by the others or below(?)) > > > Type one AMSFonts are also avaiable since today: > This collection includes the Euler, ``extra symbol'' > and cyrillic fonts in selected sizes. > > CTAN: fonts/AMSFonts/ps-type1 > > > I don't know wether you are able to use TrueType fonts, > but Type 1 fonts are supported resp. for PDFTeX needed. > > Tobias Type I AMSfonts are now also officially distributed by the AMS see http://www.ams.org/tex/type1-cm-fonts.html For a basic comparison with bakoma, have a look at http://xxx.lanl.gov/faq/pscm.html Thorsten From owner-pdftex@mail.tug.org Wed Oct 15 14:40:44 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05115 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id QAA10313 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:38:25 -0400 Received: from ooo.lanl.gov (ooo.lanl.gov [128.165.23.117]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA10309 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:38:20 -0400 Received: (from schwande@localhost) by ooo.lanl.gov (x.x.x/x.x.x) id OAA03887; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710152027.OAA03887@ooo.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Thorsten Schwander To: pdftex@mail.tug.org Subject: Re: type I cm and ams fonts References: <199710100957_MC2-2372-A60D@compuserve.com> <343E4AD5.62F894E9@berlin1.netsurf.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@mail.tug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@mail.tug.org Tobias Burnus writes: > CM Type 1 fonts: > Bluesky: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/bluesky/ > Bakoma: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/bakoma/ > Paradissa: CTAN: fonts/cm/ps-type1/paradissa/ > > I would recommed the Blueskey once. > (They are not complete but surve the most needs, > they migh be completed by the others or below(?)) > > > Type one AMSFonts are also avaiable since today: > This collection includes the Euler, ``extra symbol'' > and cyrillic fonts in selected sizes. > > CTAN: fonts/AMSFonts/ps-type1 > > > I don't know wether you are able to use TrueType fonts, > but Type 1 fonts are supported resp. for PDFTeX needed. > > Tobias Type I AMSfonts are now also officially distributed by the AMS see http://www.ams.org/tex/type1-cm-fonts.html For a basic comparison with bakoma, have a look at http://xxx.lanl.gov/faq/pscm.html Thorsten From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sun Oct 19 15:08:23 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17156 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:08:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id RAA14889 for pdftex-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:11:26 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@wydo122.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.232.122]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA14885 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:11:21 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12902; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:00:32 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.88 "Tsurugi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Alan Shutko Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:00:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Thierry Bouche's message of Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:55:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >>>>> "T" == Thierry Bouche writes: T> what is in your pdftex.map ? never had a problem with utopia. I can duplicate this problem with this document: \documentclass[]{article} \usepackage{pslatex} \begin{document} Hello. \end{document} I get this message many times. character width missmatch in font ptmr7t.vf was ignored This is the section of the pdftex.map with ptm* ptmb8r Times-Bold 34 - By consent of the corrupted You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sun Oct 19 15:08:25 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17160 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id RAA14889 for pdftex-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:11:26 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@wydo122.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.232.122]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA14885 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:11:21 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12902; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:00:32 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.88 "Tsurugi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Alan Shutko Date: 19 Oct 1997 16:00:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Thierry Bouche's message of Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:55:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >>>>> "T" == Thierry Bouche writes: T> what is in your pdftex.map ? never had a problem with utopia. I can duplicate this problem with this document: \documentclass[]{article} \usepackage{pslatex} \begin{document} Hello. \end{document} I get this message many times. character width missmatch in font ptmr7t.vf was ignored This is the section of the pdftex.map with ptm* ptmb8r Times-Bold 34 - By consent of the corrupted You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sun Oct 19 17:11:29 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19389 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:11:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id TAA15085 for pdftex-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:18:26 -0400 Received: from siddharta.omedia.ch (root@siddharta.omedia.ch [195.65.92.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA15081 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:18:21 -0400 Received: from omedia.ch ([195.65.86.155]) by siddharta.omedia.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA29963 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:10:53 +0200 Message-ID: <344AB2E7.F544784E@omedia.ch> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:59:55 -0025 From: Pasa Guglielmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I also have the same problem while using the times package. Alan Shutko wrote: > > >>>>> "T" == Thierry Bouche writes: > > T> what is in your pdftex.map ? never had a problem with utopia. > > I can duplicate this problem with this document: > > \documentclass[]{article} > \usepackage{pslatex} > \begin{document} > > Hello. > > \end{document} > > I get this message many times. > > character width missmatch in font ptmr7t.vf was ignored > > This is the section of the pdftex.map with ptm* > > ptmb8r Times-Bold 34 ptmbi8r Times-BoldItalic 98 ptmr8r Times-Roman 34 ptmri8r Times-Italic 98 > -- > Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted > You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. -- Sincerely yours, Pasa Guglielmo ------------------------------------------------------------------ ¦ homepage: http://www.omedia.ch/pages/gpasa/ ¦ ¦----------------------------------------------------------------¦ ¦ e-mail : gpasa@omedia.ch ¦ tel. : +41 (0)24 485 50 40 ¦ ¦ mailing : Pasa Guglielmo ¦ fax : +41 (0)24 485 50 44 ¦ ¦ Rte des Cases 17A ¦ ¦ ¦ CH-1890 St-Maurice ¦ prof.: physicist ¦ ¦ (Switzerland) ¦ ¦ ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sun Oct 19 17:11:41 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19397 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id TAA15085 for pdftex-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:18:26 -0400 Received: from siddharta.omedia.ch (root@siddharta.omedia.ch [195.65.92.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA15081 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:18:21 -0400 Received: from omedia.ch ([195.65.86.155]) by siddharta.omedia.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA29963 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:10:53 +0200 Message-ID: <344AB2E7.F544784E@omedia.ch> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:59:55 -0025 From: Pasa Guglielmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I also have the same problem while using the times package. Alan Shutko wrote: > > >>>>> "T" == Thierry Bouche writes: > > T> what is in your pdftex.map ? never had a problem with utopia. > > I can duplicate this problem with this document: > > \documentclass[]{article} > \usepackage{pslatex} > \begin{document} > > Hello. > > \end{document} > > I get this message many times. > > character width missmatch in font ptmr7t.vf was ignored > > This is the section of the pdftex.map with ptm* > > ptmb8r Times-Bold 34 ptmbi8r Times-BoldItalic 98 ptmr8r Times-Roman 34 ptmri8r Times-Italic 98 > -- > Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted > You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. -- Sincerely yours, Pasa Guglielmo ------------------------------------------------------------------ ¦ homepage: http://www.omedia.ch/pages/gpasa/ ¦ ¦----------------------------------------------------------------¦ ¦ e-mail : gpasa@omedia.ch ¦ tel. : +41 (0)24 485 50 40 ¦ ¦ mailing : Pasa Guglielmo ¦ fax : +41 (0)24 485 50 44 ¦ ¦ Rte des Cases 17A ¦ ¦ ¦ CH-1890 St-Maurice ¦ prof.: physicist ¦ ¦ (Switzerland) ¦ ¦ ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sun Oct 19 17:12:40 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19417 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id TAA15104 for pdftex-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:20:15 -0400 Received: from siddharta.omedia.ch (root@siddharta.omedia.ch [195.65.92.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA15100 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:20:09 -0400 Received: from omedia.ch ([195.65.86.155]) by siddharta.omedia.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA29988 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:12:46 +0200 Message-ID: <344AB359.BF0FFB9D@omedia.ch> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:01:49 -0025 From: Pasa Guglielmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: mathptm References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hi, Can anybody tell me where I can find a working mathptm package to use in conjunction with the times one. Is there a web site for it ? -- Sincerely yours, Pasa Guglielmo ------------------------------------------------------------------ ¦ homepage: http://www.omedia.ch/pages/gpasa/ ¦ ¦----------------------------------------------------------------¦ ¦ e-mail : gpasa@omedia.ch ¦ tel. : +41 (0)24 485 50 40 ¦ ¦ mailing : Pasa Guglielmo ¦ fax : +41 (0)24 485 50 44 ¦ ¦ Rte des Cases 17A ¦ ¦ ¦ CH-1890 St-Maurice ¦ prof.: physicist ¦ ¦ (Switzerland) ¦ ¦ ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sun Oct 19 17:14:00 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19428 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id TAA15104 for pdftex-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:20:15 -0400 Received: from siddharta.omedia.ch (root@siddharta.omedia.ch [195.65.92.2]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA15100 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:20:09 -0400 Received: from omedia.ch ([195.65.86.155]) by siddharta.omedia.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA29988 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:12:46 +0200 Message-ID: <344AB359.BF0FFB9D@omedia.ch> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:01:49 -0025 From: Pasa Guglielmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: mathptm References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hi, Can anybody tell me where I can find a working mathptm package to use in conjunction with the times one. Is there a web site for it ? -- Sincerely yours, Pasa Guglielmo ------------------------------------------------------------------ ¦ homepage: http://www.omedia.ch/pages/gpasa/ ¦ ¦----------------------------------------------------------------¦ ¦ e-mail : gpasa@omedia.ch ¦ tel. : +41 (0)24 485 50 40 ¦ ¦ mailing : Pasa Guglielmo ¦ fax : +41 (0)24 485 50 44 ¦ ¦ Rte des Cases 17A ¦ ¦ ¦ CH-1890 St-Maurice ¦ prof.: physicist ¦ ¦ (Switzerland) ¦ ¦ ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 20 01:55:28 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28618 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id DAA15596 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:56:54 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA15592 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:56:36 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25290 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:45:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA21795; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:50:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:50:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199710200750.JAA21795@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output In-Reply-To: References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Concernant « Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output », Alan Shutko écrit : > I can duplicate this problem with this document: i can't. (i'm running than's binary for solaris). bouche@mozart:~/tex/tst[3]» PDFLaTeX pspdf.tex This is PDFTeX, Version 0.11 (based on TeX Version 3.14159) (Web2c 7.0) LaTeX2e <1997/06/01> (pspdf.tex (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1997/06/16 v1.3v Standard LaTeX document class (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/misc/pslatex.sty) No file pspdf.aux. (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/OMSpzccm.fd) [1] (pspdf.aux) ) Output written on pspdf.pdf (1 page, 2719 bytes). Transcript written on pspdf.log. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 20 02:00:43 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28716 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 02:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id DAA15596 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:56:54 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA15592 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:56:36 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25290 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:45:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA21795; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:50:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:50:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199710200750.JAA21795@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output In-Reply-To: References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Concernant « Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output », Alan Shutko écrit : > I can duplicate this problem with this document: i can't. (i'm running than's binary for solaris). bouche@mozart:~/tex/tst[3]» PDFLaTeX pspdf.tex This is PDFTeX, Version 0.11 (based on TeX Version 3.14159) (Web2c 7.0) LaTeX2e <1997/06/01> (pspdf.tex (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls Document Class: article 1997/06/16 v1.3v Standard LaTeX document class (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo)) (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/misc/pslatex.sty) No file pspdf.aux. (/usr/local/tex/src/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/OMSpzccm.fd) [1] (pspdf.aux) ) Output written on pspdf.pdf (1 page, 2719 bytes). Transcript written on pspdf.log. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 20 08:47:19 1997 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06265 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA15927 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:49:50 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA15923 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:49:39 -0400 Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id aa21789; 20 Oct 97 15:38 +0100 Received: (from tim@localhost) by turing.maths.tcd.ie (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24767 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:38:49 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy Message-Id: <199710201438.PAA24767@turing.maths.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: mathptm To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:38:49 +0100 (IST) In-Reply-To: <344AB359.BF0FFB9D@omedia.ch> from "Pasa Guglielmo" at Oct 20, 97 01:01:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > > Can anybody tell me where I can find a working mathptm package to > use in conjunction with the times one. > Is there a web site for it ? It's part of the standard psnfss package. You have to run "latex psfonts.ins" to unpack it >From psfonts.dtx . From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 20 10:06:10 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08333 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id MAA16046 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:48 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@wydo122.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.232.122]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA16042 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:43 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05944; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:59:54 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of output References: <199710140123.CAA27608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199710140655.IAA19858@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> <199710200750.JAA21795@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.88 "Tsurugi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Alan Shutko Date: 20 Oct 1997 10:59:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Thierry Bouche's message of Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:50:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.cs.umb.edu id MAA16043 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >>>>> "T" == Thierry Bouche writes: T> Concernant « Re: Strange checksum error and catastrophic loss of T> output », Alan Shutko écrit : >> I can duplicate this problem with this document: T> i can't. (i'm running than's binary for solaris). Ok, I'll assume it's a teTeX problem and send things over there. -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted Men love to wonder, and that is the seed of science. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 21 01:49:05 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29221 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id DAA16603 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:51:02 -0400 Received: from irtms.irt.uni-hannover.de (irtms.irt.uni-hannover.de [130.75.135.94]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA16599 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:50:53 -0400 Received: from irtst39.irt.uni-hannover.de by irtms.irt.uni-hannover.de with SMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA294109786; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:43:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:43:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971021094524.267f3a72@irtms> X-Sender: kopmann@irtms X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu From: Andreas Kopmann Subject: Bookmarks relations mixed ?! Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I compiled a rather long document with pdftex - which produces very nice output!! (see ftp://ftp.irt.uni-hannover.de/rtos/PUB/PUB/HANDBUCH/VERSION-4.1/PDF/rtosh.pd f; it's the reference guide for our realtime operation system RTOS-UH) The log file ends with: Output written on subsection.5.7.8! (622 pages, 2029526 bytes). ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ This is actually not true. The output is still written on rtosh.pdf as wanted. But there is a another effect in the bookmark-file rtosh.out. The chapter number suddenly changes from seven to five: ... \BOOKMARK {section.7.4}{Maxi--Version}{chapter.7} \BOOKMARK {section.7.5}{S--Records}{chapter.7} \BOOKMARK {section.7.6}{Assembler--Fehlermeldungen}{chapter.5} <------ \BOOKMARK {section.7.7}{Einbettung von Assemblerprogrammen}{chapter.5} <------- \BOOKMARK {subsection.7.7.1}{Beispiele f"ur Modul--/Taskk"opfe}{section.7.7} \BOOKMARK {subsubsection.7.7.1.1}{Einzelner Taskkopf}{subsection.7.7.1} \BOOKMARK {subsubsection.7.7.1.2}{Verzeigerung mehrerer K"opfe}{subsection.7.7.1} \BOOKMARK {chapter.8}{Innenstrukturen des Systemes}{} \BOOKMARK {section.8.1}{Die Systemtraps}{chapter.8} ... I can't see a commend in the source being responseble for the wrong chapter number. The rtosh.toc - file is also correct: \contentsline {section}{\numberline {7.6}Assembler--Fehlermeldungen}{400}{section.7.6} \contentsline {section}{\numberline {7.7}Einbettung von Assemblerprogrammen}{401}{section.7.7} Is this a bug in pdftex? I'll send the complete log-files if necessary. Andreas Kopmann PS: I use web2c TeX with Windows 95. (Command-line: pdftex -fmt=pdflatex ) Andreas Kopmann Institut fuer Regelungstechnik kopmann@irt.uni-hannover.de Appelstr. 11, 30167 Hannover From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 21 06:13:01 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03957 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 06:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id HAA16776 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:57:33 -0400 Received: from elessar.ics.muni.cz (elessar.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.10]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id HAA16772 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:57:10 -0400 Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz (anxur.fi.muni.cz [147.251.48.3]) by elessar.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24021 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:45:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from thanh@localhost) by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28385 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:33:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Han The Thanh Message-Id: <199710211133.NAA28385@anxur.fi.muni.cz> Subject: Re: Bookmarks relations mixed ?! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971021094524.267f3a72@irtms> from Andreas Kopmann at "Oct 21, 97 09:43:06 am" To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:33:17 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > I compiled a rather long document with pdftex - which produces very nice > output!! > (see > ftp://ftp.irt.uni-hannover.de/rtos/PUB/PUB/HANDBUCH/VERSION-4.1/PDF/rtosh.pd > f; it's the reference guide for our realtime operation system RTOS-UH) > > The log file ends with: > > Output written on subsection.5.7.8! (622 pages, 2029526 bytes). > ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > This is actually not true. The output is still written on rtosh.pdf as > wanted. But there is a another effect in the bookmark-file rtosh.out. The > chapter number suddenly changes from seven to five: > > ... > Is this a bug in pdftex? I'll send the complete log-files if necessary. > > PS: I use web2c TeX with Windows 95. (Command-line: pdftex -fmt=pdflatex > ) yes, this is a bug in pdftex. Perhaps you're using the beta-testing version of pdftex for win32, which unfortunately contains some more bugs :-(. Please contact Fabrice to get the stable version for win32. Thanh From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 21 07:06:15 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04966 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA16886 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:00:38 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA16881 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:00:33 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24725 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:48:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:48:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:38:24 +0100 Message-ID: <6475-Tue21Oct1997133824+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: Bookmarks relations mixed ?! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971021094524.267f3a72@irtms> References: <1.5.4.16.19971021094524.267f3a72@irtms> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu my suggestion is the usual - that you move \end{document} to above the dubious point, and then move it downwards gradually until the problem manifests itself. Then send the detailed bit to me, since its a hyperref problem, I suspect. You can test if its pdftex by using ordinary TeX, with the dvips hyperref driver, and seeing what happens then. Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 22 03:38:47 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02083 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 03:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id FAA17856 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:31:17 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA17852 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:31:07 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00743 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from screavie.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:11 +0100 Received: from knott.elsevier.co.uk (knott.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.165]) by screavie.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09331 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:18:38 +0100 (BST) From: Sebastian Rahtz Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by knott.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15197 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710220919.KAA15197@knott.elsevier.co.uk> To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: [TETEX 1926] teTeX 0.9: pdflatex character width missmatch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu --text follows this line-- > \documentclass[]{article} > \usepackage{pslatex} > > \begin{document} > > Hello. > > \end{document} .. > > Anyone have ideas or can replicate this? i ran the file, and get no messages. sounds like you have some mucky metrics lying around.... Sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Wed Oct 22 13:51:39 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15053 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id PAA18343 for pdftex-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:46:16 -0400 Received: from hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (ats@wydo122.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.232.122]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA18339 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:46:07 -0400 Received: (from ats@localhost) by hubert.wuh.wustl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28849; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:35:19 -0500 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: teTeX 0.9: pdflatex character width missmatch References: <199710220919.KAA15197@knott.elsevier.co.uk> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI MIME-Edit 0.88 "Tsurugi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Alan Shutko Date: 22 Oct 1997 14:35:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: Sebastian Rahtz's message of Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >>>>> "S" == Sebastian Rahtz writes: S> i ran the file, and get no messages. sounds like you have some S> mucky metrics lying around.... Hmmm... they work in normal tex/dvips. I just tried it on my Spectrum metrics which I did with the modified finst, and they had the same problem. Any idea where to look in my process to see where things are going wrong? -- Alan Shutko - By consent of the corrupted Losing your drivers' license is just God's way of saying "BOOGA, BOOGA!" From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 23 11:00:21 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11020 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id MAA19141 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:30:09 -0400 Received: from oxmail3.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA19136 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:29:59 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail3 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:29:49 +0100 Received: from RHaydon.bnc.ox.ac.uk (haydon.bnc.ox.ac.uk [163.1.130.10]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA04649 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:27:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971023162045.007e2100@ermine.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: haydon@ermine.ox.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:20:45 +0100 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu From: Richard Haydon Subject: .enc files for AMS fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I recently installed the type-1 AMS fonts for use with pdftex on a Win95 machine, and updated the pdftex.map file, adding lines like eusm7 eusm7 4 ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id QAA19465 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:09:02 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA19461 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:08:55 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11947 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cashel.econ.vt.edu (cashel.econ.vt.edu [128.173.172.222]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00395 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cashel.econ.vt.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA10960; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:58:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:58:20 -0400 From: rdmurphy@cashel.econ.vt.edu (Russell D. Murphy Jr.) Message-Id: <199710231958.PAA10960@cashel.econ.vt.edu> To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: graphicx Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Can anyone give me any hints about how to include graphics in a pdf(tex) document. I have a LaTeX paper in which I use graphicx to include .eps files. For instance: \begin{figure} \centering \includegraphics{infant-mort.eps} \caption{} \label{fig:infant} \end{figure} Pdftex simply produces the name of the file in a box; the various tweaks I've tried ([pdftex] option to graphicx, changes to graphics.cfg and color.cfg, coverting the .eps files to .pdf with ghostscript) don't seem to work (more precisely, they don't do what I(!) want them to do. . .). Any suggestions? Russell D. Murphy Department of Economics Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University 3034 Pamplin Hall Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0316 (540) 231-4537 rdmurphy@vt.edu From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 00:11:09 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28339 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id CAA20015 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:17:35 -0400 Received: from ee00 (ee00.ethz.ch [129.132.98.179]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA20011 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:17:27 -0400 Received: from engelberg.ethz.ch (engelberg.ethz.ch [129.132.7.69]) by ee00 (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA24155 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:06:35 +0200 (METDST) Received: from localhost (oetiker@localhost) by engelberg.ethz.ch (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA08128 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:06:33 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: engelberg.ethz.ch: oetiker owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:06:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Tobias Oetiker X-Sender: oetiker@engelberg To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: My pdftex output does not work with MAC Acroread Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Hi, I have just created a few documents with pdftex, and it worked great ... now today I wanted to show them to a mac user ... but his acrobat was simply ignoring all the fonts in the document. We tried reinstalling the latest and greates acrobat, but to no avail ... is this a known bug ? Is there a workarround ? am I doing something wrong ? a sample document is on http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/pdftex/forum.pdf -- ______ __ _ /_ __/_ / / (_) Oetiker, Timelord & SysMgr @ EE-Dept ETH-Zurich / // _ \/ _ \/ / TEL:+41(0)1-6325286 FAX:+41(0)1-6321194 /_/ \___/_.__/_/ oetiker@ee.ethz.ch http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 00:27:28 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28615 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id CAA20047 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:35:57 -0400 Received: from jet.msk.su (relay1.jet.msk.su [194.87.88.34]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id CAA20043 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:35:51 -0400 Received: by jet.msk.su; Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:24 EET DST Received: from host1.internal.jet.msk.su(193.124.4.1) by relay1.jet.msk.su id sma010843; Fri Oct 24 10:24:31 1997 Received: from jet.msk.su by jet.msk.su ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:24 MSD Received: from jet.msk.su by jet.msk.su ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:24:05 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: .enc files for AMS fonts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:24:05 +0400 From: Boris Tobotras Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:20:45 BST, Richard Haydon wrote: > I recently installed the type-1 AMS fonts for use with pdftex on a Win95 > machine, and updated the pdftex.map file, adding lines like > > eusm7 eusm7 4 msam10 msam10 4 > I know very little about what I am doing and chose the number 4 and the > encoding files more or less at random. So far it seems to work, at least > with the documents I am dealing with. Does anyone know what the "right" > flags and encoding files are? Encoding files hold PostScript vector which you can see and change in plain text editor. To construct one or to check existing one you only have to know which encoding does TeX expect from your font and how corresponding glyphs are called in the font file. Easy way to see the later is prfont.ps with GhostScript. Font flags are listed in Adobe PDF reference manual. If you will trust me, here they are: Bit# Meaning ---- ------- 1 Fixed-width font 2 Serif font 3 Symbolic font 4 Script font 6 Uses the Adobe Standard Romand Character Set 7 Italic font 17 All-cap font 18 Small-cap font 19 Force bold at small text sizes So, your "4" means "Symbolic font". (Just don't ask me what does it mean :-) -- Best regards, -- Boris. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 04:19:48 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02846 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:19:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA20319 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:05:20 -0400 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA20315 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:05:09 -0400 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09159 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:54:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id LAA08076; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:59:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:59:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199710240959.LAA08076@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: .enc files for AMS fonts In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971023162045.007e2100@ermine.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19971023162045.007e2100@ermine.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Concernant « .enc files for AMS fonts », Richard Haydon écrit : > I recently installed the type-1 AMS fonts for use with pdftex on a Win95 > machine, and updated the pdftex.map file, adding lines like > > eusm7 eusm7 4 msam10 msam10 4 4 means symbolic, that is acrobat does not make any hypothesis about what glyphs/encodings etc. are in that font, so it should not try to use Times or whatever to fake it in the first place (it does something like that to speed up display under certain circumstances, i believe, and this behaviour is maybe one of the reasons why pdftex's pdf is unreadable on a mac). re the enc files, i posted somewhere a printenc.ps that allows you to extract the encoding from any type1 font, i believe it's on TeX live 2 ot my ftp site. Cheers, Thierry Bouche. ----- Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr ftp://fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/pub/contrib-tex From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 04:40:14 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03166 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA20354 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:47:33 -0400 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA20350 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:47:28 -0400 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24468 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:35:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from screavie.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:35:41 +0100 Received: from knott.elsevier.co.uk (knott.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.165]) by screavie.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00577 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:35:31 +0100 (BST) From: Sebastian Rahtz Received: (from srahtz@localhost) by knott.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25860 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:36:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:36:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710241036.LAA25860@knott.elsevier.co.uk> To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: graphicx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <199710231958.PAA10960@cashel.econ.vt.edu> References: <199710231958.PAA10960@cashel.econ.vt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu --text follows this line-- > \begin{figure} > \centering > \includegraphics{infant-mort.eps} remove the .eps, and let \includegraphics find things as best it can > Pdftex simply produces the name of the file in a box; the various > tweaks I've tried ([pdftex] option to graphicx, changes to add that, yes > graphics.cfg and color.cfg, coverting the .eps files to .pdf with > ghostscript) don't seem to work (more precisely, they don't do > what I(!) want them to do. . .). for a reliable setup, convertv the .eps to .png with Ghostscript, and let pdftex include the .png file sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 07:59:58 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06948 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA20859 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:40:27 -0400 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA20853 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:39:53 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (zl32.pi.net [145.220.204.32]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA03756; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:28:51 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:28:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <34507537.23B9@pi.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:15:19 +0200 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: .enc files for AMS fonts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Boris Tobotras wrote: > Font flags are listed in Adobe PDF reference manual. If you will > trust me, here they are: > > Bit# Meaning > ---- ------- > > So, your "4" means "Symbolic font". (Just don't ask me what does > it mean :-) I just found out that Distiller 3.01 has a bug concerning quotes. Some obscure algoritm is used to force another encoding vector or something like that. This means that for instance quotes in Lucidsa fonts disappear. PDFTeX does a better job on that! Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 08:02:10 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07001 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA20830 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:21:25 -0400 Received: from extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (extra.ucc.su.oz.au [129.78.64.4]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA20826 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:21:18 -0400 Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (mp-13-49.mp.usyd.edu.au [129.78.58.173]) by extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA13179 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:10:27 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <34509EF6.D6E1DF9E@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:13:26 +1000 From: Robert Howlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: .enc files for AMS fonts References: <3.0.1.32.19971023162045.007e2100@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Richard Haydon wrote: > > I recently installed the type-1 AMS fonts for use with pdftex on a Win95 > machine, and updated the pdftex.map file, adding lines like > > eusm7 eusm7 4 msam10 msam10 4 > I know very little about what I am doing and chose the number 4 and the > encoding files more or less at random. So far it seems to work, at least > with the documents I am dealing with. Does anyone know what the "right" > flags and encoding files are? > > Richard Haydon I made some encoding files for the AMS fonts. There are links to them on my home page http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au:8000/u/bobh/ Although I am not an expert, I believe that they are correct, or very close to correct. Bob Howlett From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 08:40:44 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07931 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA20887 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:04:25 -0400 Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA20883 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:04:19 -0400 Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:53:27 +0100 Received: from RHaydon.bnc.ox.ac.uk (haydon.bnc.ox.ac.uk [163.1.130.10]) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA15932 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:53:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971024144630.00804140@ermine.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: haydon@ermine.ox.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:46:30 +0100 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu From: Richard Haydon Subject: Re: .enc files for AMS fonts In-Reply-To: <199710240959.LAA08076@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> References: <3.0.1.32.19971023162045.007e2100@ermine.ox.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19971023162045.007e2100@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by tug.cs.umb.edu id KAA20884 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Dear Thierry I checked your ftp site, and you do have ready-made .enc files for all the AMS fonts, as well as many others, and a much more complete pdftex.map than the one I downloaded from CTAN. Thanks. Richard At 11:59 AM 10/24/97 +0200, you wrote: >Concernant « .enc files for AMS fonts », Richard Haydon écrit : > > I recently installed the type-1 AMS fonts for use with pdftex on a Win95 > > machine, and updated the pdftex.map file, adding lines like > > > > eusm7 eusm7 4 >i don't think cmtex.enx is the right encoding here. > > > msam10 msam10 4 > > >4 means symbolic, that is acrobat does not make any hypothesis about >what glyphs/encodings etc. are in that font, so it should not try to >use Times or whatever to fake it in the first place (it does something >like that to speed up display under certain circumstances, i believe, >and this behaviour is maybe one of the reasons why pdftex's pdf is >unreadable on a mac). > >re the enc files, i posted somewhere a printenc.ps that allows you to >extract the encoding from any type1 font, i believe it's on TeX live 2 >ot my ftp site. > >Cheers, > Thierry Bouche. ----- Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr > ftp://fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/pub/contrib-tex > > From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 08:52:23 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08313 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA20928 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:31:50 -0400 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA20924 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:31:41 -0400 Received: from turing.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id aa18585; 24 Oct 97 15:20 +0100 Received: (from tim@localhost) by turing.maths.tcd.ie (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06012 for pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:20:51 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy Message-Id: <199710241420.PAA06012@turing.maths.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: graphicx To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:20:51 +0100 (IST) In-Reply-To: <199710231958.PAA10960@cashel.econ.vt.edu> from "Russell D. Murphy Jr." at Oct 23, 97 03:58:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > > > Can anyone give me any hints about how to include graphics in a > pdf(tex) document. I have a LaTeX paper in which I use > graphicx to include .eps files. Basically, you have to convert your graphics to PNG format, I think. Image-Magick/convert can do this, for example. Tim From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Fri Oct 24 10:00:39 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09982 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA21102 for pdftex-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:40:32 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA21098 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:40:25 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07743 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cashel.econ.vt.edu (cashel.econ.vt.edu [128.173.172.222]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21907 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cashel.econ.vt.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00823; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:58 -0400 From: rdmurphy@cashel.econ.vt.edu (Russell D. Murphy Jr.) Message-Id: <199710241529.LAA00823@cashel.econ.vt.edu> To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu In-reply-to: <199710241036.LAA25860@knott.elsevier.co.uk> (message from Sebastian Rahtz on Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:36:05 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: graphicx Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thanks for your help. From: Sebastian Rahtz > \begin{figure} > \centering > \includegraphics{infant-mort.eps} remove the .eps, and let \includegraphics find things as best it can OK, now \includegraphics finds and includes the figure after I've converted it to .png: for a reliable setup, convertv the .eps to .png with Ghostscript, and let pdftex include the .png file Unfortunately, the figures aren't scaling properly. The .png form takes up a whole page (instead of 1/2), no matter what scaling \includegraphics does (i.e. the figure may get smaller, but pdftex still moves the following text to the next page). Any suggestions on dealing with this? I'll experiment with scaling within gs, but I'm not sure what else to try. Out of curiosity, I tried LaTeX->dvips->gs->(.pdf); the text output was pretty crummy (not on par with the results from pdftex), but the dvips/gs route handled the .eps figures quite well. Is there any way to get the text font quality of pdftex and the figure quality of dvips/gs together? Thanks- Russ From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sun Oct 26 01:04:52 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA05778 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:04:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id EAA22492 for pdftex-outgoing; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:09:47 -0500 Received: from Michele (aspr1.pr.infn.it [192.135.11.31]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id EAA22488 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 04:09:31 -0500 Received: from Michele by VAXPR with TCP/IP SMTP; Sun, 26 OCT 97 10:52 MET Message-ID: <345306B6.5DE763AE@vaxpr.fis.unipr.it> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:00:39 +0100 Organization: Università di Parma X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710241529.LAA00823@cashel.econ.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michele Vallisneri Subject: Re: graphicx Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Russell D. Murphy Jr. wrote: > > Thanks for your help. > > From: Sebastian Rahtz > > \begin{figure} > > \centering > > \includegraphics{infant-mort.eps} > remove the .eps, and let \includegraphics find things as best it > can > > OK, now \includegraphics finds and includes the figure after > I've converted it to .png: > > for a reliable setup, convertv the .eps to .png with Ghostscript, and > let pdftex include the .png file > > Unfortunately, the figures aren't scaling properly. The .png form > takes up a whole page (instead of 1/2), no matter what scaling > \includegraphics does (i.e. the figure may get smaller, but pdftex > still moves the following text to the next page). Any suggestions > on dealing with this? I'll experiment with scaling within gs, but > I'm not sure what else to try. > > Out of curiosity, I tried LaTeX->dvips->gs->(.pdf); the text output > was pretty crummy (not on par with the results from pdftex), but > the dvips/gs route handled the .eps figures quite well. Is there > any way to get the text font quality of pdftex and the figure > quality of dvips/gs together? > > Thanks- > > Russ I find I can include .eps figures perfectly well in pdfs made with pdf(la)tex by doing the following: 1) First, my .eps sources are already the size they are supposed to be on paper (note that this means only that I have not experimented with scaling) and their placement (the first two numbers of the "bounding box" in the first line of the file) must be (0,0). Also, they cannot include fonts, but text can be represented as curves (you can do this, for instance, when exporting from CorelDraw). 2) I convert them to .pdf with GhostScript 5.02 and the NOCACHE option (this should be enough to get rid of fonts even _without_ the "CorelDraw" step, but I haven't checked). 3) My tex/latex setup includes pdftex.def, supp-mis.tex, supp-pdf.tex (to be found somewhere on CTAN). Also, graphics.sty is modified to include a "pdftex" option: \DeclareOption{pdftex}{\def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def}} 4) In the preface of my .tex file, \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} 5) Now, suppose you want to include mypic.eps, converted to mypic.pdf: in the directory containing your .tex file you need to have _both_ mypic.pdf _and_ mypic.eps, _renamed_ to mypic.ps (I bet this could be solved with a very simple correction to some system file, but again, I haven't checked.) 6) OK, we're almost done: you just write (without suffixes) \includegraphics{mypic} Sounds terribly convoluted and long, but after you've done this for one pic you can pretty much automatize it. I'm sure though that Sebastian or Thanh or some of the wonderful pdftex gurus could point out the unnecessary (or clumsy) steps. Ops! I'm assuming that your pics are line-drawing oriented eps! If, rather, they are bitmaps, then you should really change them to .png (not easy... one application that can do this is Microsoft Photo Editor, and _maybe_ Image-Alchemy) and include those (again, using \includegraphics without file suffix and with some option to _force_ scaling). This is not because you cannot include bitmapped .eps, but because they are so darn large (unless they are "wrapped" jpegs, but this is another story). Please e-mail me if you get entangled with some of the steps or need any files. Yours, Michele -- *********************************************************************** * Michele Vallisneri * * * * add: Via Trento 3 tel: +39 521 786370 (home) * * 43100 Parma +39 521 231991 (off) * * Italy e-mail: vallisneri@vaxpr.fis.unipr.it * * www: http://www.fis.unipr.it/~vallis * *********************************************************************** From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 04:29:58 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01925 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA23344 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:24:38 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA23335 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:24:26 -0500 Received: from thinkpad (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA15265; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:13:29 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:13:29 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <345475EC.1261@pi.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:07:24 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net, Sebastian Rahtz Subject: png error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian, Can you reproduce an error? Here the png image (forget about the tif spec, which is only used to fetch the dimensions) shows up only once (the first one)(and three times in the dvi file). Slightly different arrangements also lead to rubish pdf files when using maginify. \def\test% {\externalfigure[hass03g][type=tif,width=.4\hsize]} \test \vskip3cm \setbox0=\ruledhbox {\setbox0=\hbox {\setbox2=\vbox {\setbox2=\hbox {\setbox4=\vbox{\test}% \copy4}% \copy2}% \copy2}% \copy0} \box0 \vskip3cm \placefigure {Grachten in Hasselt.} {\test} Or something like that, wth many nested boxes? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 05:01:23 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02421 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA23343 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:24:38 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA23336 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:24:26 -0500 Received: from thinkpad (zl29.pi.net [145.220.204.29]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA15228; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:13:26 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:13:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34546FAF.3F62@pi.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:40:47 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: png inclusion References: <199710231958.PAA10960@cashel.econ.vt.edu> <199710241036.LAA25860@knott.elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Looks like there is a bug in PNG inclusion. Acrobat Reader scales them wrongly, sometimes they disappear and even worse, when enlarged, they interfere with other graphics (resulting in multiple images laid over). Including lots of PNG files directly goes ok, but when burried in boxes things blow up. This problem does not occur with the tif alternatives using the Distiller. At the moment I lack the time for more testing. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 06:11:22 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03661 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id HAA23510 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:51:40 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id HAA23506 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:51:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:40:13 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs (Acro 3.01) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Using Acrobat 3.01, I am having problems with mutating or disappearing glyphs: given the maths expression $$ \sqrt {e^{-2x}} $$ and using the BaKoMa fonts, the radical sign gets progessively more mutated the larger I enlarge it in Exchange (the intersection between the 110 and 60 degree lines gets overwritten by ever-larger white space). When printed, the radical is fine but the minus sign is completely omitted. Using BlueSky fonts, the radical is fine, but the minus sign _still_ disappears in printing. Any thoughts, suggestions, please? ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 07:33:03 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05123 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id IAA23607 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:47:28 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id IAA23603 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:47:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:36:26 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <971027133626.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs [follow-up] Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu I now see that if I turn off font-subsetting, the minus prints OK... From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 08:12:24 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05898 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA23810 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:05:41 -0500 Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA23783 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:03:38 -0500 Received: from mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.241.5]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28821 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:52:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from bouche@localhost) by mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA19983; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:58:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:58:55 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199710271458.PAA19983@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr> From: Thierry Bouche To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs (Acro 3.01) In-Reply-To: <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu the \sqrt glyph in bakoma is well known to have problems. I have met some PS interpreters that treat badly some hints, (gs even clipped according to hints for a while) so that too well hinted fonts sometimes produce incorrect output ;-) do you print on an adobe PS interpreter? Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~bouche/ From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 08:23:46 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06151 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:23:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA23854 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:18:31 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA23850 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:18:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:07:34 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <971027150734.268cb@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs (Acro 3.01) Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >> do you print on an adobe PS interpreter? No, on a Deskjet 550C using Win/NT's inbuilt driver; but the rasterisation is possibly (probably?) performed by Exchange... ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 08:54:47 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07044 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:54:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA23988 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:57:53 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA23984 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:57:47 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27369 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:45:45 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:46:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:30:48 +0000 Message-ID: <2087-Mon27Oct1997153048+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: graphicx In-Reply-To: <345306B6.5DE763AE@vaxpr.fis.unipr.it> References: <199710241529.LAA00823@cashel.econ.vt.edu> <345306B6.5DE763AE@vaxpr.fis.unipr.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > 1) First, my .eps sources are already the size they are supposed to be > on paper (note that this means only that I have not experimented with > scaling) and their placement (the first two numbers of the "bounding it looks like pdftex's errors all relate to scaling of png inclusions > 3) My tex/latex setup includes pdftex.def, supp-mis.tex, supp-pdf.tex > (to be found somewhere on CTAN). Also, graphics.sty is modified to > include a "pdftex" option: > > \DeclareOption{pdftex}{\def\Gin@driver{pdftex.def}} the current LaTeX release has this as standard > in the directory containing your .tex file you need to have _both_ > mypic.pdf _and_ mypic.eps, _renamed_ to mypic.ps (I bet this could be > solved with a very simple correction to some system file, but again, I this should not be necessary, if you just do \includegraphics{foo} then pdftex will find and load foo.pdf quite happily > rather, they are bitmaps, then you should really change them to .png > (not easy... one application that can do this is Microsoft Photo Editor, > and _maybe_ Image-Alchemy) and include those (again, using Image Alchemy and Image Magick both do the job well. i didnt think Photo Editor wrote .png? maybe it does. the moral is probably to scale your pictures to the desired size *before* the manipulation to .pdf or .png at present, until Thanh can find some of the problems with scaling. sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 09:02:01 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07169 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:01:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id KAA24001 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:58:51 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA23997 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:58:46 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27443 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:46:47 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:46:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:38:14 +0000 Message-ID: <8817-Mon27Oct1997153814+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: graphicx In-Reply-To: <199710241529.LAA00823@cashel.econ.vt.edu> References: <199710241036.LAA25860@knott.elsevier.co.uk> <199710241529.LAA00823@cashel.econ.vt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > Unfortunately, the figures aren't scaling properly. The .png form > takes up a whole page (instead of 1/2), no matter what scaling > \includegraphics does (i.e. the figure may get smaller, but pdftex is the BoundingBox correct? be careful when converting that only the area inside the BoundingBox is rendering to .png! > Out of curiosity, I tried LaTeX->dvips->gs->(.pdf); the text output > was pretty crummy (not on par with the results from pdftex), but why? did you use bitmap fonts? > the dvips/gs route handled the .eps figures quite well. Is there > any way to get the text font quality of pdftex and the figure > quality of dvips/gs together? yes, use the Blue Sky CM fonts... sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 10:11:20 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08861 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:11:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id LAA24225 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:46:23 -0500 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov (mailhost.lanl.gov [128.165.3.12]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA24221 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:46:18 -0500 Received: from qcd.lanl.gov (qcd.lanl.gov [128.165.23.46]) by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01799 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:35:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by qcd.lanl.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA17394; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:34:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:34:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199710271634.JAA17394@qcd.lanl.gov> From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs (Acro 3.01) In-Reply-To: <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> References: <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu In <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> dated 12:40:13 GMT Mon October 27, 1997, Philip Taylor writes > Using Acrobat 3.01, I am having problems with mutating or disappearing > glyphs: given the maths expression > > $$ \sqrt {e^{-2x}} $$ > > and using the BaKoMa fonts, the radical sign gets progessively more > mutated the larger I enlarge it in Exchange (the intersection between > the 110 and 60 degree lines gets overwritten by ever-larger white space). > When printed, the radical is fine but the minus sign is completely omitted. > > Using BlueSky fonts, the radical is fine, but the minus sign _still_ > disappears in printing. > > Any thoughts, suggestions, please? I don't have the time to check right now (as people might have guessed, got very busy with work for a while with no end in sight :-() but I remember that the radical sign did not fit into the font bounding box or some such problem with the BaKoMa fonts. Always meant to come back and fix it ... but never got to it. Hope this information is of some help Cheers Tanmoy From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Mon Oct 27 16:18:43 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18744 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:18:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id SAA24783 for pdftex-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:00:57 -0500 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA24779 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:00:49 -0500 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11854 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cashel.econ.vt.edu (cashel.econ.vt.edu [128.173.172.222]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24891 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cashel.econ.vt.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA05459; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:50:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:50:20 -0500 From: rdmurphy@cashel.econ.vt.edu (Russell D. Murphy Jr.) Message-Id: <199710272250.RAA05459@cashel.econ.vt.edu> To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu In-reply-to: <8817-Mon27Oct1997153814+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Subject: Re: graphicx Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:38:14 +0000 From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) > Unfortunately, the figures aren't scaling properly. The .png form > takes up a whole page (instead of 1/2), no matter what scaling > \includegraphics does (i.e. the figure may get smaller, but pdftex is the BoundingBox correct? be careful when converting that only the area inside the BoundingBox is rendering to .png! I did manage to get the .png formats of the figures included successfully. Thanks for everyone's suggestions. > Out of curiosity, I tried LaTeX->dvips->gs->(.pdf); the text output > was pretty crummy (not on par with the results from pdftex), but why? did you use bitmap fonts? Yes. I found over the weekend that I don't have dvips and gs set up correctly to use the Blue Sky fonts. I tried to correct this, but stopped after creating .vf files using afm2tfm and vptovf, moving the .vf files to the fonts/vf directory, and then having dvips complain about a mis-match between (I think) the .tfm(?) file and the .vf file. I imagine I need to install the new .tfm files along with the .vf files, but I haven't tried this yet. > the dvips/gs route handled the .eps figures quite well. Is there > any way to get the text font quality of pdftex and the figure > quality of dvips/gs together? yes, use the Blue Sky CM fonts... sebastian Thanks again for all the suggestions. Russ From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 28 03:11:21 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01863 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id FAA25253 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:16:54 -0500 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA25249 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:16:45 -0500 Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25481 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:04:46 GMT Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:05:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:39:26 +0000 Message-ID: <8421-Tue28Oct1997093926+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> From: s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Subject: Re: graphicx In-Reply-To: <199710272250.RAA05459@cashel.econ.vt.edu> References: <8817-Mon27Oct1997153814+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199710272250.RAA05459@cashel.econ.vt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.6 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu > Yes. I found over the weekend that I don't have dvips and gs set up > correctly to use the Blue Sky fonts. I tried to correct this, but > stopped after creating .vf files using afm2tfm and vptovf, moving the you dont need vfs for CM fonts. you just use your existing metrics. all you need to is add some lines to the psfonts.map file of dvips (see sample .map files with the distribution), and put the .pfb files where dvips can find them sebastian From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 28 04:55:19 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03657 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 04:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA25430 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:57:51 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA25424 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:57:42 -0500 Received: from thinkpad (zl41.pi.net [145.220.204.41]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA15145; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:46:52 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:46:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34559BEA.16FF@pi.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:01:46 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: graphicx References: <199710241529.LAA00823@cashel.econ.vt.edu> <345306B6.5DE763AE@vaxpr.fis.unipr.it> <2087-Mon27Oct1997153048+0000-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > rather, they are bitmaps, then you should really change them to .png > > (not easy... one application that can do this is Microsoft Photo Editor, > > and _maybe_ Image-Alchemy) and include those (again, using > Image Alchemy and Image Magick both do the job well. i didnt think > Photo Editor wrote .png? maybe it does. I use PhotoShop to convert tiff->png as well as eps->png. GhostScript can do the job too. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 28 05:00:48 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03722 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id GAA25429 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:57:49 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id GAA25420 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:57:36 -0500 Received: from thinkpad (zl41.pi.net [145.220.204.41]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA15070; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:46:45 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:46:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34559AA9.6B18@pi.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:56:25 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs [follow-up] References: <971027133626.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: > I now see that if I turn off font-subsetting, the minus prints OK... I suppose you're using Distiller. Subsetting should work. You can probably solving this problem by providing an unique prefix to each font (e.g. the name of the pdf file), so cmr10 becomes myfile-cmr10. That way you fool the caching mechanisms that use fonts on the system (in original encoding), in the file (subsetted and reencoded), or in the cache (whatever there is). Often prefixing can be accomplished by a command line flag, but I don't know if dvips upports this. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 28 05:25:06 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04142 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id HAA25479 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:18:33 -0500 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id HAA25475 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:18:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:07:38 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: CHAA006@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <971028120738.fa15@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs [follow-up] Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu >> I suppose you're using Distiller. Subsetting should work. You can >> probably solving this problem by providing an unique prefix to each font >> (e.g. the name of the pdf file), so cmr10 becomes myfile-cmr10. That way >> you fool the caching mechanisms that use fonts on the system (in >> original encoding), in the file (subsetted and reencoded), or in the >> cache (whatever there is). Often prefixing can be accomplished by a >> command line flag, but I don't know if dvips upports this. Yes, using Distiller (I _need_ \mag, Thanh!). 'Fraid unique names is not an option, so subsetting is out; is this not a real bug that we can feed back to Adobe, Hans? ** Phil. From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tue Oct 28 08:03:48 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07165 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id JAA25761 for pdftex-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:45:30 -0500 Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA25757 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:45:23 -0500 Received: from thinkpad (zl65.pi.net [145.220.204.65]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA04466; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:34:32 +0100 (MET) Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:34:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3455F6A1.1EC@pi.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:28:49 +0100 From: Hans Hagen Organization: Planet Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: pragma@pi.net Subject: Re: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs [follow-up] References: <971028120738.fa15@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: > Yes, using Distiller (I _need_ \mag, Thanh!). 'Fraid unique names > is not an option, so subsetting is out; is this not a real bug that > we can feed back to Adobe, Hans? ** Phil. Look like a bug. Just like the one I encountered recently, concerning disappearing quotes in rather normal Lucida fonts. BTW, if pdftex works ok, then it's indeed a bug in Dstiller. Did you try GS (latest version seems to produce quite good code.) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 69 | mail: pragma@pi.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Thu Oct 30 00:34:54 1997 Flags: 000000000000 Received: from tug.cs.umb.edu (daemon@tug.cs.umb.edu [158.121.106.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27980 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:34:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) id CAA27432 for pdftex-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:38:19 -0500 Received: from ooo.lanl.gov (ooo.lanl.gov [128.165.23.117]) by tug.cs.umb.edu (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA27428 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:38:09 -0500 Received: (from schwande@localhost) by ooo.lanl.gov (x.x.x/x.x.x) id AAA12017; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:27:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:27:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199710300727.AAA12017@ooo.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Thorsten Schwander To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu CC: Tanmoy Bhattacharya Subject: Re: Mutating and/or disappearing glyphs (Acro 3.01) References: <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> <199710271634.JAA17394@qcd.lanl.gov> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pdftex@tug.cs.umb.edu Tanmoy Bhattacharya writes: > In <971027124014.21d26@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> > dated 12:40:13 GMT Mon October 27, 1997, > Philip Taylor writes > > Using Acrobat 3.01, I am having problems with mutating or disappearing > > glyphs: given the maths expression > > > > $$ \sqrt {e^{-2x}} $$ > > > > and using the BaKoMa fonts, the radical sign gets progessively more > > mutated the larger I enlarge it in Exchange (the intersection between > > the 110 and 60 degree lines gets overwritten by ever-larger white space). > > When printed, the radical is fine but the minus sign is completely omitted. > > > > Using BlueSky fonts, the radical is fine, but the minus sign _still_ > > disappears in printing. > > > > Any thoughts, suggestions, please? > > I don't have the time to check right now (as people might have > guessed, got very busy with work for a while with no end in sight :-() > but I remember that the radical sign did not fit into the font > bounding box or some such problem with the BaKoMa fonts. Always meant > to come back and fix it ... but never got to it. > > Hope this information is of some help > Cheers > Tanmoy The following is from a private communication with someone at Y&Y concerning the BoundingBox for sqrt: This is a nastyness in CMSY*, where a single character, the `radical' hangs bellow the baseline. One has a choice of taking this character into account when computing the BBox or not. If you include it, you avoid clipping, but make the font useless for most non-TeX applications, since it dramatically increases the line spacing when any character >From CMSY* is used. Cheers Thorsten