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If you have any questions or problems, please contact "Majordomo-Owner@grandcanyon.binc.net". 14-Aug-1995 21:03:34-GMT,3219;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA07937 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:03:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA05199; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:44:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05181 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:44:29 -0500 From: dhancock@arinc.com Message-Id: <199508141841.AA08149@interlock.arinc.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 14:38:19 EST To: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: bulk PS to PDF conversion Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dhancock@arinc.com Dennis (dennis.clouse@ucop.edu) writes: >Our first copy of Distiller shows up here in a few days, and the >powers-that-be have decided to convert a group of PS files from a >third-party vendor to PDF and load them to a web site. >One problem is that there are approximately 33000 documents (averaging >20 pages length each) to convert, and no indication that there is a >batching capability built in to the process anywhere. >The other is the realization that incoming transmission time from the >vendor, conversion time, and outgoing transmission time to the web site >is going to be significant for a group of this many files. The Acrobat Distiller for Windows (version 1.0) supports batching in a screwy way: You can use the Program Manager's File,Run dialog to batch up filenames up to the maximum length of the command line. This is documented somewhere in the online help for Distiller 1.0. Version 2.0 has a much nicer feature for batching, called "watched directories." Here's approximately how to set it up: 1. Start the Distiller and start the application called Distiller Assistant 2. Select Distiller,Watched Directories 3. Add a directory to "watch" (example: F:\PDF), and fiddle the options the way you want. 4. Create subdirectories under the watched directory named IN and OUT 5. Copy PS files to be distilled into the IN directory 6. Wait a bit (determined in options in Step 3) for the Distiller to start up 7. Wait a LONG TIME for the files to be distilled, and they will appear one by one in the OUT subdirectory. Once the watched directories have been set up and the Distiller knows about them, only the Distiller Assistant needs to be running in order to check the directories and start the Distiller. I'm currently using my own workstation as a Distiller "server" with the watched directories method, and my only complaint is that I can't do much else on the machine (a 90 MHz Pentium!) while the Distiller is running. As to the bandwidth needed to transfer the files back and forth, consider a few optimizations: Use compress or PKZIP or gzip to compress the PS files prior to downloading; Tell the Distiller to compress whatever it can (sorry, don't remember exactly how); use compress or PKZIP or gzip to compress the PDF files on the way back (they'll still compress SOME even though the Distiller compresses them). I hope this helps. Good luck. Cheers. David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com 14-Aug-1995 21:23:59-GMT,1422;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA08168 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:23:56 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA05246; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:52:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05229 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:52:25 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 13:05:00 PST Message-Id: <9507148084.AA808426413@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[5]: PDF to GIF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >This business of switching drivers is getting out of hand. As it is, I must >use the Control key to print to the Acrobat distiller. Now I am supposed to >choose a new Printer Description file for different sizes of acrobat >documents that need to be converted into EPS format so that I can place >them into XPress. Then I have to change the driver back again to the actual >printer settings so that I can print the EPS along with the rest of the >document. I agree. The next version of Adobe's PSPrinter product addresses this problem with a nice new feature. And perhaps "Save as EPS..." should be added to the request list for Acrobat Exchange! Gary Cosimini Adobe NY 14-Aug-1995 21:25:10-GMT,1032;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA08177 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:25:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05331; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:05:19 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05314 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:05:10 -0500 From: "Robert Kelly" Message-Id: <9508141502.ZM15727@pckelly_r> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:02:23 -0400 X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Catalog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Robert Kelly" Does anyone know if or when Adobe Catalog will be or is available for UNIX. Also I am seeking info on any 'plug ins' for catalog, on unix, that would pass info to amd from a web page. Thanks, Bob Kelly 14-Aug-1995 22:31:29-GMT,2184;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA08922 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:31:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06207; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:44:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06190 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:44:18 -0500 From: "James R. Stahr" Message-Id: <199508141943.OAA16625@smokies.binc.net> Subject: Re: bulk PS to PDF conversion (fwd) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:43:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1311 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "James R. Stahr" I believe this was to be mailed to pdf-l@emrg.com, not pdf-l-owner@emrg.com. Forwarded message: From MHIATT.INT-MAIL@SMTP.INTECOM.COM Mon Aug 14 13:24:24 1995 Message-Id: <199508141824.NAA04798@grandcanyon.binc.net> From: MHIATT.INT-MAIL@SMTP.INTECOM.COM (Hiatt, Michel) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 13:30 CDT To: pdf-l-owner@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: Re: bulk PS to PDF conversion Dennis.Clouse wrote: >to convert a group of PS files from a >third-party vendor to PDF and load them to a web site. >One problem is that there are approximately 33000 documents (averaging >20 pages length each) to convert In the PC world, you can drop mutliple files on the distiller window from the file mnager window and have then batch processed. Open both Distiller and File Manager. Reduce file manager so you can see the Distiller window. Highlight all the files or just one bunch of files and use your mouse to drag and drop them on the Distiller window. Distiller will go right to work on them. The major work comes from going through all the files setting up thumbnails, if you want them, and indexing the information so it can be found. Good luck. Mike Hiatt, Senior Technical Writer mhiatt@intecom.com "All opinions are those of the writer and are not those of the management." 14-Aug-1995 22:37:49-GMT,3691;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA09007 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:37:46 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05926; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:29:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05909 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:29:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:28:34 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: kfoss@emrg.com Subject: INFO>Where to download Mail Processor Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kfoss@emrg.com I'm suddenly getting numerous requests on where to download Mail Processor, so rather than keep sending out individual replies, I'll post it ... with apologies to those who have no interest. ~ Kurt =46ROM: [virtual software library] how to download mailprocessor.cpt.hqx To download mailprocessor.cpt.hqx from one of the umi-mac archive mirror sites, click on any of the highlighted file names below. Use our "star" reliability rating guide to choose the most reliable site to download from. ***** =3D most reliable * =3D least reliable try these sites first USA ** mailprocessor.cpt.hqx [1005 K] from grind.isca.uiowa.edu ** mailprocessor.cpt.hqx [1005 K] from ftp.pht.com * mailprocessor.cpt.hqx [1005 K] from wuarchive.wustl.edu others to try If you have had no luck downloading from one of the sites above, try one of these listed below. For quickest dowloading choose a site from a country near your own. 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Claire Collins eventinfo_ca@clbooks.com (408) 435-5015 x129 15-Aug-1995 0:54:56-GMT,2863;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA10162 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:54:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07488; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:14:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07468 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:14:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:10:03 -0700 From: Tom Thiersch Message-Id: <199508142210.PAA25918@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Re: Support for %%IncludeProcSet directive To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Tom Thiersch Carl, Thanks for the response, but I'm still a bit confused. I guess I don't yet appreciated the fine distinction between "is a real live PostScript interpreter" and a print spooler, as you've described them. I expected that a PS data stream sent to the PostScript interpreter that lives inside a printer would have the same effect when sent to the Distiller application, since the output of the Distiller is supposed to be an image of the page exactly as it would appear if printed by a real printer. When you say "print spooler", are you referring to the printer driver? Spoolers normally don't know anything about the *content* of the print jobs that they're queueing, just the size, priority, routing, etc. Can you explain a little further, please, or point me to a reference/tutorial guide that will straighten me out? I've downloaded and looked at most of the PDF-related Technical pubs available on the Adobe Web pages, but obviously I'm still missing a LOT of understanding! Thanks, Tom <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 11:23:34 -0700 From: Carl Orthlieb Reply-To: Carl Orthlieb Subject: Re: Support for %%IncludeProcSet directive To: PDF-L@emrg.com Tom, Acrobat Distiller is a real live PostScript interpreter. As such, it handles all lines starting with % as a comment just like a printer does. The %%IncludeProcset: comment is processed by print spoolers *before* sending the job down to the printer. Carl 8^) Reply-To: thiersch@ccnet.com > Hello. > > I'm using a program that produces PS files that begin with: > > %!PS-Adobe-2.0 > %%Title: MICROCOMP output file > %%Creator: ACOMP.exe V008.4 15-NOV-94 > %%CreationDate: Thu Aug 03 18:47:18 1995 > %%DocumentName: \WORK\TEST.FIL > %%IncludeProcSet: "\param\MCPROLOG.MEM" "(5.4)" "5.4" > %%BeginSetup > .. > > These files fail to process with Distiller, apparently because the > %%IncludeProcSet directive is not being recognized. <---- End Included Message ----> 15-Aug-1995 0:55:12-GMT,953;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA10168 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:55:10 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07435; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:12:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07394 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:12:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 18:11 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse), pdf-l@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Batch. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) This batching also works the same way in the Mac. 1.0 was a disaster. Bob 15-Aug-1995 1:24:16-GMT,2133;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA10408 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:24:13 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA08199; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:59:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA08178 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:59:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:57:36 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9508142257.AA15981@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Support for %%IncludeProcSet directive X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 1276 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Tom, The % character is a comment indicator as far as the PostScript interpreter is concerned, regardless of whether that interpreter is embodied in a printer or the Distiller. Your expectation that a PostScript data stream sent to the interpreter in a printer would have the same effect as that in the Distiller is correct. Both would ignore %%IncludeProcSet. Now, let's consider a print spooler. This is a piece of software that typically sits between the host and the printer, and very well may interpret %% comments in a PostScript stream. The print spooler could well be expected to resolve a missing font, find a missing resource from some file server, and push that resource into the print stream. This is different from a print driver. A print driver's job is to translate between the native imaging commands of the host, e.g., GDI for Windows, QuickDraw for Mac, and the native printer description language in the output device, e.g., PostScript. These issues are more germane to PostScript than pdf, which is why you haven't seen them discussed in any PDF-related material. Check the PostScirpt Language Reference Manual, second edition. The appendix discussion of document structuring conventions goes into a little detail about comments wrt spoolers. Mark 15-Aug-1995 1:30:47-GMT,1710;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA10450 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:30:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08442; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:30:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA08425 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:30:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:29:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199508142329.QAA49416@ernie.ucop.edu> X-Sender: dclouse@popserv.ucop.edu (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) Subject: PDF file sizes X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) I have been testing the virtual PDFwriter "printer" driver installed via Acrobat Exchange to produce PDF files from a variety of windows applications. Using LZW compression, a Pagemaker 5 file of 435k actually shrank to 140k, but attempts to print ASCII files sized 1-2k produced PDF files sized 188-189k, and an ASCII file sized 5k produced a PDF file sized 1409-1424k, depending on the client from which it was printed (PFE32, NOTEPAD, and WORDPAD were used). Whilst the PageMaker output varied from 1/3 to 2 times the size of the original, simple text file conversions are 190-300 times as large as the original. What is wrong with this picture? Is it just me, or has anyone else seen this? Dennis Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu University of California Office of the President 15-Aug-1995 11:37:03-GMT,1849;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA14132 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:36:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA11506; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 03:49:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA11471 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 03:49:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199508150854.RAA10297@gol1.gol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:45:34 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com (gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com) Subject: Re: Turkish characters with pdf Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) Gary, I was glad to see your note about embedding fonts for Turkish. Now the big one for me. Is there a version of Acrobat/Distiller/Exchange that works with Japanese characters? We are here in Tokyo, and largely deal with English and other European languages, but sometimes have a need for Japanese. One route is using a kluge, er, sorry, "add-on" that lets us embed Japanese characters in otherwise English-only systems. Another is setting up a complete Japanese-language computer system--for this I would need special J-versions of Acrobat, etc. When I last asked (summer of last year) this was "in the works" but with no completion date in site. TrueType fonts for Japanese are much more widely available and much lower in cost than PostScript fonts. No chance of TT support, I suppose? (I know that's a different question but thought I'd tack it on). Roger -- Roger D. Williams Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 15-Aug-1995 11:43:27-GMT,2269;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA14162 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:43:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA11505; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 03:49:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA11472 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 03:49:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199508150854.RAA10304@gol1.gol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:45:38 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-List) Subject: Maybe cross-posting isn't a good idea? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) PDF-List is the first list I heard about that deals with the Acrobat technology and I really appreciate the tips I am picking up. I also learned that there is an "ACROBAT" list. I would like to add my voice to Kurt Foss', who forwarded approvingly a comment from the ACROBAT list owner generally discouraging cross-posting between the two lists. There's a case to be made for cross posting to a mailing list from a newsgroup with a similar topic, as there are still those who can't subscribe to newsgroups--less of a case the other way. But I don't really see the point of cross posting between such potentially similar lists, unless it's to forward an answer already given on the other list. But this should become rarer as the FAQs take shape. (Hmmm. How about a common FAQ for the two lists, folks?) If you have an intelligent mail reader that automatically filters out cross- posted articles that you've already received you can avoid the duplication. I don't, unfortunately, so I get all the cross-posted articles on lists that I subscribe to. By NOT cross posting you enable the two lists to develop independently in any way the membership wants, subject to owner approval. And gluttons can subscribe to both without having the value reduced by excessive duplication. I say, vive la difference! Roger Roger D. Williams Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 15-Aug-1995 15:03:31-GMT,1347;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA15388 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:03:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12140; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:05:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA12123 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:05:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 12:04 BST-1 From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Base Font Widths - an update To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) I asked last week, in this list, about how to find out the font widths for Adobe typefaces. The solution, if anyone's interested, was to send mail to mv.us.adobe.com, with the following commands in the body: send AFMFiles Courier send AFMFiles Times-Roman send AFMFiles Helvetica and the AFM files, with the widths in, arrived automatically in my mailbox within about 6 hours. A *very* nice service. I wish Adobe publicised it more. Oh, and if you send a HELP message to the machine, you get help. And INDEX gets you the list of available docs. Very neat. R. 15-Aug-1995 15:46:58-GMT,2197;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA15869 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:46:50 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12294; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:35:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA12277 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:35:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199508151134.GAA15058@glacier.binc.net> To: "Roger D. Williams" cc: PDF-List Subject: Re: Maybe cross-posting isn't a good idea? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 15 Aug 95 17:45:38 +0900. <199508150854.RAA10304@gol1.gol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 12:34:16 +0100 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Phil Smith Roger, in your message of Tue, 15 Aug 95 17:45:38 +0900 you said: >[...] >(Hmmm. How about a common FAQ for the two lists, folks?) >[...] >I say, vive la difference! First, apologies for reducing your actually very helpful email to two apparently contradictory phrases! However, I think this highlights the problem with cross-postings. How do you decide to which list you should send your vital plea for help? If you send your message to only one of the lists, you might find that the only person in the whole world who can answer it reads only the other list. So what do you do? Post to both. I think if the two lists have identical FAQs, then this behaviour will be even more prevalent. We might just as well have one list. However, if each has a slightly different raison d'etre, then most people will probably subscribe to both. Might we not just as well have one list? Maybe I'm just making a fuss about nothing. I only subscribe to PDF-L and hopefully this message is only going there. Vive PDF-L! >Roger Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 15-Aug-1995 15:59:06-GMT,2171;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA15978 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:59:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12396; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:53:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA12366 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:53:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9508151124.AA19777@southey.ca.uky.edu> MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at keats.ca.uky.edu From: Dennis Duross Organization: U.K. College of Agriculture To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 07:47:19 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Halftone screens in Acrobat (again) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.21) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dennis Duross ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Halftone screens in Acrobat (again) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:39:53 Ok, so I learned something. Tiffs of greyscale images placed in pc PM5 do ((that is, DO)I think) end up with real halftone screens applied to them after they are distilled. While the default screen frequency CAN be over-ridden (in "Image Control") in PM5 and those changes ARE reflected in a PAPER print-out, any over-ride here apparently has no effect on the information distilled in the Acrobat file. What goes into the pdf is the screen frequency info from the default settings in the PPD file for a given target printer (in my case, a hp4si), and that default appears to be around an 80 line screen. That's too fine to use as a direct print-out from Acrobat, which is what I want to do. I need something closer to a 65-75 line screen. >From what I can tell, the ppd file (which contains the screen frequenct info) can't be edited except with a Mac, which I ain't got. Anybody got any ideas? Thanks Dennis Duross University of Kentucky Agricultural Communications dduross@ca.uky.edu 15-Aug-1995 16:17:19-GMT,1962;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA16207 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:17:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12383; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:53:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA12355 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 06:53:27 -0500 Message-Id: <9508151124.AB19777@southey.ca.uky.edu> MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at keats.ca.uky.edu From: Dennis Duross Organization: U.K. College of Agriculture To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:39:20 +0000 Subject: Halftone screens in Acrobat (again) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.21) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dennis Duross Ok, so I learned something. Tiffs of greyscale images placed in pc PM5 do ((that is, DO)I think) end up with real halftone screens applied to them after they are distilled. While the default screen frequency CAN be over-ridden (in "Image Control") in PM5 and those changes ARE reflected in a PAPER print-out, any over-ride here apparently has no effect on the information distilled in the Acrobat file. What goes into the pdf is the screen frequency info from the default settings in the PPD file for a given target printer (in my case, a hp4si), and that default appears to be around an 80 line screen. That's too fine to use as a direct print-out from Acrobat, which is what I want to do. I need something closer to a 65-75 line screen. >From what I can tell, the ppd file (which contains the screen frequenct info) can't be edited except with a Mac, which I ain't got. Anybody got any ideas? Thanks Dennis Duross University of Kentucky Agricultural Communications dduross@ca.uky.edu 15-Aug-1995 16:47:46-GMT,1229;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA16592 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 10:47:41 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14570; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:45:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14517 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:43:15 -0500 From: lmcquarr@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 09:12:42 PST Message-Id: <9507158085.AA808503889@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: "Robert Kelly" , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Catalog Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lmcquarr@mv.us.adobe.com > Does anyone know if or when Adobe Catalog will be or is available for UNIX. > Thanks, > Bob Kelly Not in the near term future, Bob. Verity, however, which provides the search engine in Acrobat, has a UNIX-based indexing solution for PDF, which will create Acrobat-compatible collections. It is available on several UNIX platforms. Check out http://www.verity.com for more details on their products. Liz McQuarrie Adobe Systems, Inc Moutain View 15-Aug-1995 18:08:55-GMT,1240;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA17503 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:08:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15118; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:07:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA15078 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:06:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:05:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199508151805.OAA29858@dylan.mindspring.com> Subject: OS/2 Anyone? From: Adam Rainoff To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Adam Rainoff Is there currently any OS/2 reader for Acrobat? If so, is it stable and reliable? Thank you in advance. -- =================== ====================================== | AUDIO / VIDEO | A f t e r H o u r s M e d i a | | CD-ROM / CD-AUDIO | True Multiple-Media Duplication | | PRINT / GRAPHICS | http://www.afterhours.com/ | =================== ====================================== 15-Aug-1995 19:31:52-GMT,2447;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA18187 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:31:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17145; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:30:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA17111 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:29:15 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 15:32:23 est Message-Id: <9507158085.AA808525458@grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com> To: Adam Rainoff , PDF-L@emrg.com, adam@afterhours.com Subject: Re: OS/2 Anyone? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: RICK_SAPIR@grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com I run the 2.0 reader under Windows for OS/2 and it is pretty stable. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: OS/2 Anyone? From: Adam Rainoff at ~GATEWAY Date: 8/15/95 2:05 PM Is there currently any OS/2 reader for Acrobat? If so, is it stable and reliable? Thank you in advance. -- =================== ====================================== | AUDIO / VIDEO | A f t e r H o u r s M e d i a | | CD-ROM / CD-AUDIO | True Multiple-Media Duplication | | PRINT / GRAPHICS | http://www.afterhours.com/ | =================== ====================================== Received: by ccmail from hoover.gilbarco.com >From owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Envelope-From: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by hoover.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA02873 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:08:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15108; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:07:16 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA15078 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 13:06:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:05:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199508151805.OAA29858@dylan.mindspring.com> Subject: OS/2 Anyone? From: Adam Rainoff To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Adam Rainoff 15-Aug-1995 20:39:46-GMT,1392;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA18885 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:39:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17730; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:38:28 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA17655 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:36:51 -0500 From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Creating PDFs w/ Doc Info Date: 15 Aug 1995 21:28:39 GMT Message-Id: <4085313502.61909123@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Hey Folks- Quick question for you guys...how do you enter the document information when creating PDF documents from other application such as Microsoft Word. I have been printing them using the PDFWriter and manaually entering the document info such as document title, subject, author, keywords. How can this be done if there are 200 documents that needs PDF conversion? I can probably write an AppleScript to automatically open, then print in PDF....but I need the document info to be entered to so that Acrobat Search can display pertinent info in the Search Results window. Thanks! James 15-Aug-1995 20:39:49-GMT,2544;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA18890 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:39:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17731; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:38:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA17668 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:37:08 -0500 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 13:37:25 pst Message-Id: <9507158085.AA808519045@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: adam@afterhours.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, RICK_SAPIR@grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com Subject: Re[2]: OS/2 Anyone? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com >Is there currently any OS/2 reader for Acrobat? If so, is it stable and >reliable? >Thank you in advance. As we "type", they are trying to link together the first working viewer for OS/2. The products aren't due out until next year. I have been using Acrobat under OS/2 for 2 years now, and rarely have any problems. It is even possible to be running several copies of the viewer on the desktop at the same time, without dealing with the single window MDI that Acrobat employs. Each comes up in its own windows session. There are some issues with VGA; I believe these are OS/2 driver issues. Most people don't use VGA though. If you have trouble in seamless mode with _any_ driver, try it using full screen since OS/2 uses a different driver for the 2 different ways of running windows programs. For fun: If you have distiller on your system, try running this in a full screen session by itself, or minimized in a separate Windows session on the desktop. Have Distiller watch a directory on your local computer. To create PDF files from any OS/2 program, set up a PostScript printer (use generic PostScript drive r) which always prints to a file. When you print, specify the input directory for distiller. Distiller will convert these PostScript files to PDF in the background very nicely. Depending on the application and whether or not it can create PostScript directly, this can be better than PDF Writer. -- =================== ====================================== | AUDIO / VIDEO | A f t e r H o u r s M e d i a | | CD-ROM / CD-AUDIO | True Multiple-Media Duplication | | PRINT / GRAPHICS | http://www.afterhours.com/ | =================== ====================================== 15-Aug-1995 21:34:10-GMT,1380;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA19495 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:34:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA18273; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:32:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA18240 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:31:25 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 16:33 CDT X-Sender: brud@interstate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Brud Jones Subject: Bookmarks to open Articles Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Brud Jones Can bookmarks open articles? I thought they said in docs that this was possible. Do you need to use the fixed width option? _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@interstate.net 15-Aug-1995 23:14:00-GMT,1426;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA20399 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:13:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA18932; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:12:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA18864 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:09:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:08:11 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9508152308.AA16493@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, brud@interstate.net Subject: Re: Bookmarks to open Articles X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 581 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Bookmarks have actions associated with them. The PDF 1.1 specification says that "open article thread" is a valid action. Therefore, bookmarks can be made to open articles. The 2.x Acrobat viewers will open an article when they encounter a bookmark whose action is to open an article. However, the 2.x viewers don't provide support for the creation of this action type. I'm not sure what your question about the fixed width option means in this context. The Acrobat Plugin SDK has an example of this. This SDK is available through Adobe Developer Support--415-961-4111. Mark 15-Aug-1995 23:14:47-GMT,1593;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA20404 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:14:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA18971; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:14:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA18897 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:11:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 16:20:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199508152320.QAA11464@axel.redshift.com> X-Sender: jtalking@redshift.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: jtalking@RedShift.Com Subject: PDF file sizes Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jtalking@RedShift.Com Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) writes: > > I have been testing the virtual PDFwriter "printer" driver installed ... > Using LZW compression, a Pagemaker 5 file of 435k actually shrank to >140k, but attempts to print ASCII files sized 1-2k produced PDF files sized >188-189k, and an ASCII file sized 5k produced a PDF file sized 1409-1424k, ... >original, simple text file conversions are 190-300 times as large as the >original. What is wrong with this picture? You may have the fonts that are used in for display in those programs set to be embedded, or perhaps the resolution is for the pdf-writer is set too high? Iperformed similar tests, and all but the smallest file ( < 1K) were smaller than the original. 16-Aug-1995 7:35:08-GMT,1482;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA23707 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 01:35:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA21404; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 02:34:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA21365 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 02:31:25 -0500 From: Wolfgang Roeckelein Message-Id: <9508160730.AA27305@sirius.wi.WHU-Koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:30:05 +0200 To: Dennis Duross Subject: Re: (Fwd) Halftone screens in Acrobat (again) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Wolfgang Roeckelein Hi, >From what I can tell, the ppd file (which contains the screen >frequenct info) can't be edited except with a Mac, which I ain't >got. IMHO ppd files are normal ascii files, you can edit them with a normal texteditor. Wolfgang --- Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Inf. Voice: +49 261 6509 173 Wolfgang Roeckelein Fax: +49 261 6509 179 WHU Koblenz E-Mail: roeckelein@wi.whu-koblenz.de Burgplatz 2 (NeXTmail ok) D-56179 Vallendar WWW: http://www.whu-koblenz.de/~wolfgang/ Germany GCM/B d-- s: a- C++ US+++$ UX+++ P+ L E? W++ N++ w-- O-(++) M+ !V PS++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+ 5? X? R+ tv b++ DI D++ G e+++>++++ h+ r++>% y? (Geek Code V3.x) 16-Aug-1995 7:43:43-GMT,1816;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA23768 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 01:43:40 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA21499; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 02:42:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA21461 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 02:40:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9508160940.AA24035@mail.cs.esrin.esa.it> X-Sender: js1@131.176.127.10 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 09:36:32 +0200 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jurgen.scholz@mail.esrin.esa.it (Jurgen Scholz) Subject: mv.us.adobe.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jurgen.scholz@mail.esrin.esa.it (Jurgen Scholz) >From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) >Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 12:04 BST-1 >Subject: Base Font Widths - an update > >I asked last week, in this list, about how to find out the font widths >for Adobe typefaces. > >The solution, if anyone's interested, was to send mail to >mv.us.adobe.com, with the following commands in the body: > etc. Robert, In order to get more information - "whom"@mv.us.adobe.com do I have to mail ? Thanx, Jurgen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Juergen Scholz EUROPEAN SPACE AGENCY ESRIN DPE/IM Phone: +39 - 6 - 94180-605 Fax: +39 - 6 - 94180-649 via Galileo Galilei I-00044 Frascati(RM) E-Mail: Jurgen.Scholz@mail.esrin.esa.it jscholz@esrin.bitnet *** DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed might not be those of the European Space Agency. 16-Aug-1995 13:17:29-GMT,1162;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA25166 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 07:17:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA23008; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:15:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA22964 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:11:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:10:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9508161310.AA28304@rpisun1> Subject: PPC Native Exchange? From: draper To: "PDF Digest Mailing List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: draper Does anyone have a ship date for Acrobat Exchange and/or Acrobat Reader? |E|J- ED DRAPER rEpar|D|<- Radiologic/Pathologic Institute The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center mailto:draper@rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu http://www.blkbox.com/~edraper/ 16-Aug-1995 13:48:34-GMT,1353;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA25371 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 07:48:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA23374; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:46:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA23264 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:44:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:43 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com, brud@interstate.net From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Bookmarks to open Articles Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Mark, you need Exchange to do the bookmark stuff you are talking about. Reader 2.0 can act upon those commands without problems. Bob Robert E. Moran Maybe Heisenberg slept here Interests: Art, Jazz, Physics Chaos, Biking, Swimming & Writing Computer Skills: Mac, NeXT, Windows & some Unix Occupation: Graphics & Systems Integration (WWW/Acrobat/Graphical Databases) Snail Mail: Digital Constructs, 759 North Park Ave, Redding, CT 06896 Fax 203-452-0416 Voice 203-452-1116 16-Aug-1995 13:48:49-GMT,1379;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA25382 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 07:48:46 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA23376; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:47:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA23251 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:44:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:43 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Bookmarks to open Articles Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Brud Bookmarks can open articles. The trick is to use Properties under the file menu to establish the link from bookmarks. It's very cool. You must use Exchange 2.0 to do this. Bob Robert E. Moran Maybe Heisenberg slept here Interests: Art, Jazz, Physics Chaos, Biking, Swimming & Writing Computer Skills: Mac, NeXT, Windows & some Unix Occupation: Graphics & Systems Integration (WWW/Acrobat/Graphical Databases) Snail Mail: Digital Constructs, 759 North Park Ave, Redding, CT 06896 Fax 203-452-0416 Voice 203-452-1116 16-Aug-1995 13:49:06-GMT,1403;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA25388 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 07:49:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA23384; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:47:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA23245 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:44:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:43 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Creating PDFs w/ Doc Info Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) James, you need Distiller to do batch processing. It comes with the Adobe pro package. Just note that you need 8mb memory to run the beast. It works well on both Mac and Windows platforms however. Bob Moran Robert E. Moran Maybe Heisenberg slept here Interests: Art, Jazz, Physics Chaos, Biking, Swimming & Writing Computer Skills: Mac, NeXT, Windows & some Unix Occupation: Graphics & Systems Integration (WWW/Acrobat/Graphical Databases) Snail Mail: Digital Constructs, 759 North Park Ave, Redding, CT 06896 Fax 203-452-0416 Voice 203-452-1116 16-Aug-1995 16:43:32-GMT,1225;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA27301 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 10:43:28 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24451; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:41:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24417 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:40:39 -0500 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:38:58 PST Message-Id: <9507168085.AA808591319@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: mv.us.adobe.com: Font Width Info Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Hi, Three essential API calls that will get you the info you need are: PDWordGetNthCharStyle() PDStyleGetFontSize() PDFontGetWidths() If you need to find out the different sizes as they apply to the actual characters in the words, you will need to scale according to the words' sizes. -Greg This functionality comes with the SDK available for Acrobat. The documentation for the Acrobat API comes with the SDK in Acrobat form, which you can search. -Greg 16-Aug-1995 17:25:10-GMT,1475;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA27648 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:25:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA24998; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:24:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24921 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:23:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:16:10 PST From: "Champagnie, Althea" Message-Id: <9507168085.AA808593840@smtplink.simsci.com> To: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Adobe Acrobat Reader for RS6000/Motif Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Champagnie, Althea" Is anyone aware of a tool that would allow you to use the SUN/Solaris version of Adobe Acrobat Reader on an IBM RS6000 running Motif? We publish all our technical documentation in PDF format on a CD-ROM and include the Windows and UNIX/SUN versions of Reader. However, a number of our customers use RS6000/Motif workstations, and need to be able to view our documentation on that platform. I understand that there are tools that allow you to run Windows-based software on RS6000 workstations. Has anyone out there tried this method with Reader? Does Adobe have plans to develop an RS6000/Motif version of Reader anytime soon? 16-Aug-1995 19:08:19-GMT,1318;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA28572 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:08:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25484; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:04:17 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25416 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:03:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199508161902.QAA17926@Fox.NSTN.Ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:04:54 +0300 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: sducklow@fox.nstn.ns.ca (stu ducklow) Subject: Example PDF files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sducklow@fox.nstn.ns.ca (stu ducklow) Does anybody have PDF files they're proud of? I'm collecting examples of PDF files so I can convince my desktop publishing clients they should be doing the same thing. I'd love to see some of the work out there and, yes, I'll probably use your ideas but that's how people learn! There may be files out there on the Web I don't know about. I'd appreciate hearing about those too. Thanks in advance. Stu Ducklow Words & Pictures Design Group, Halifax, N.S. WWW: http://Fox.NSTN.Ca:80/~sducklow/ 16-Aug-1995 21:43:38-GMT,998;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA00164 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:43:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26573; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:42:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26533 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:40:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:43:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Brud Jones To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: invalid action object Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Brud Jones Does anyone know what "invalid action object" means? I have created a pdf in Exchange for Windows and have people reading in on macs. 16-Aug-1995 22:33:15-GMT,4821;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA00546 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:33:12 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA27035; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:27:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA27001 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:26:44 -0500 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199508162226.SAA09075@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Example PDF files To: sducklow@fox.nstn.ns.ca Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199508161902.QAA17926@Fox.NSTN.Ca> from "stu ducklow" at Aug 16, 95 04:04:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn2.9] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3737 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kendall Whitehouse > Does anybody have PDF files they're proud of? I'm collecting examples of > PDF files so I can convince my desktop publishing clients they should be > doing the same thing. [. . .] Stu: The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania has been using PDF for both internal document distribution and external electronic publishing over the web since 'way back in the days of Acrobat 1.0. We have a wide range of Acrobat documents available from our web site, from simple black-and-white computing "tip sheets" to full color brochures about the School. Some of the documents you may be interested in seeing include: - Wharton's _State_of_the_School - Wharton's _Guide_to_Faculty_ - Wharton's _Alumni_Magazine_ - Wharton's _MBA_Student_Resource_Guide_ - Wharton's _MBA_Student_Placement_Survey__ The Acrobat versions of these documents (as well as others) are available on the Wharton Information Network (Wharton's world-wide web site) at -- http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/ Although you'll find these and other PDF files scattered throughout the Wharton Information Network, these documents are also available on a single web page -- "Wharton Publications Online" -- at: http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/wharpubs.html Here are a few production notes on some of these documents: The Acrobat version of _State_of_the_School_ includes full font embedding, thumbnails, bookmarks, a hypertext table of contents, and article threads. The original Quark document was 3.7 Mb with 168 Mb of linked high-resolution images. The PostScript file from this document (which included some photos from the high-resolution images and others from the lower resolution Quark preview images) was 29 Mb. The final Acrobat file -- complete with full-color images, embedded fonts, thumbnails, article threads, and hypertext links, will fit comfortably on a floppy diskette at only 1.1 Mb. Wharton's _Guide_to_Faculty_ contains photos and biographies of Wharton's standing and associated faculty. The _Guide_to_Faculty_ provides an interesting example of how, using Acrobat's hypertext tools, a document designed for print can also work effectively online. Although _Guide_ to_Faculty_ was designed primarily for print -- with a page layout based on columns of "snaking" text -- through the use of hypertext links and article threads it can be easily used as an interactive online information guide. Bookmarks that display when the document opens take you to the _Guide_to_ _Faculty's_ printed indexes of faculty by listed by department, by research area, or by name. Each faculty name is a hypertext link to the page containing the faculty member's biography. Each biography is implemented as an article thread for easy reading on screen. With a few clicks the reader can easily navigate this 164 document online as easily as browsing the printed document. Wharton's _Alumni_Magazine_ is a 32-page full-color magazine sent to Wharton Alumni. The PostScript file (using level-2 binary encoding) totaled 34 Mb; the final PDF file -- with full font embedding, thumbnails and hypertext links -- is only 1.7 Mb. Wharton's _MBA_Student_Resource_Guide_ includes an interesting navigational technique that uses a typographic montage on the cover as the source for multiple hypertext links into the document. I hope you'll find something interesting in these examples. :Kendall -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 17-Aug-1995 1:21:01-GMT,4585;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA01737 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 19:20:57 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA27783; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 20:20:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA27741 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 20:17:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 20:16:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199508170116.UAA17112@glacier.binc.net> X-Sender: kwhitehouse@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: kwhitehouse@emrg.com (Kendall Whitehouse) Subject: Re: Halftone screens in Acrobat (again) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kwhitehouse@emrg.com (Kendall Whitehouse) Dennis: Although Acrobat is based on PostScript's imaging model, there are a few things that can be expressed in PostScript that have no analog in the PDF file format. One of these is the ability to control the halftone screen frequency -- PostScript has a mechanism for doing this; PDF (currently) does not. This means that any halftone screen information your application (such as PageMaker) places in your PostScript file is lost when you convert the file to PDF. When you then print from the PDF file the halftone screen frequency used is the setting built into the printer (which should be that same as the frequency listed in the PPD file, but it doesn't actually *take* the information from the PPD file). Fortunately, there are a number of methods for setting the halftone screen frequency when you print from a PDF file. You can, using a few lines of PostScript code, change the default screen frequency in your printer to the frequency you want. You can download this code to your PostScript printer in way that effects all subsequent print jobs (until you cycle power to the printer) or just the current print job. The simplest way to do the latter (using a Macintosh) is to get a copy of Adobe's "Ad Sample" package, which includes a plug-in called AddPS that allows you to easily modify your halftone screen and (and other, related functions) when your PDF file is turned into a PostScript print stream. You can get a copy of the "Ad Sample" package from Adobe's web site at: http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/AdGuide.html I also believe it's available directly from Adobe. If you're more adventurous, you can use PDF's "PostScript pass-through" capability to embed the halftone screen frequency information in the PDF file so it is implemented each time the PDF file is printed to a PostScript printer (without requiring the user to use the AddPS plug-in at print time). I've done this (just to prove to myself that it's possible) but it's annoyingly difficult to implement. Your best bet is the AddPS plug-in. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kendall Whitehouse E M E R G E KWhitehouse@emrg.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >-- Begin original message -- > >> Ok, so I learned something. >> >> Tiffs of greyscale images placed in pc PM5 do ((that is, DO)I think) >> end up with real halftone screens applied to them after they are >distilled. >> >> While the default screen frequency CAN be over-ridden (in "Image Control") > >> in PM5 and those changes ARE reflected in a PAPER print-out, any over-ride > >> here apparently has no effect on the information distilled in the Acrobat > >> file. >> What goes into the pdf is the screen frequency info from the default >settings >> in the PPD file for a given target printer (in my case, a hp4si), and that > >> default >> appears to be around an 80 line screen. That's too fine to use as a direct > >> print-out >> from Acrobat, which is what I want to do. I need something closer to a >65-75 >> line screen. >> >> >From what I can tell, the ppd file (which contains the screen frequenct >> info) can't be >> edited except with a Mac, which I ain't got. >> >> Anybody got any ideas? >> Thanks >> Dennis Duross >> University of Kentucky >> Agricultural Communications >> dduross@ca.uky.edu >> > >-- End original message -- 17-Aug-1995 10:49:09-GMT,1329;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA05091 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:49:05 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA30428; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:47:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA30271 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:42:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:41 BST-1 From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Re: mv.us.adobe.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) >The solution, if anyone's interested, was to send mail to >mv.us.adobe.com, with the following commands in the body: > >etc. >Robert, >In order to get more information - "whom"@mv.us.adobe.com do I have to >mail ? >Thanx, Jurgen If you order the help document, by sending HELP to mv.us.adobe.com, it contains details of how to contact a real person. Alternatively, send INDEX and you'll get a list of what's available. There's also an ftp site, though a lot of the font metrics files available from the automatic mailer aren't on the ftp site yet. R. 17-Aug-1995 10:49:12-GMT,1403;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA05090 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:49:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA30424; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:47:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA30272 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:42:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:41 BST-1 From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Cool PDF Files To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) >Subject: Example PDF files >Does anybody have PDF files they're proud of? I'm collecting examples of >PDF files so I can convince my desktop publishing clients they should be >doing the same thing. I'd love to see some of the work out there and, >yes, >I'll probably use your ideas but that's how people learn! There may be >files out there on the Web I don't know about. I'd appreciate hearing >about >those too. There are lots of files at www.adobe.com on the web. From that page, click the Acrobat link and there's lots of useful info and files. Including a large listing of "sites with cool PDF files" that Adobe maintains. R. 17-Aug-1995 10:56:39-GMT,1055;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA05119 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:56:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA30555; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:56:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA30499 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:53:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:52 BST-1 From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: mv.us.adobe.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Apologies. I think I just posted a couple of messages to this list which recommended mailing mv.us.adobe.com. I forgot to include the account name! The correct address to which you can send a request for info is: ps-file-server@mv.us.adobe.com Send a message body of HELP to get info. R. 17-Aug-1995 11:44:51-GMT,2025;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA05350 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 05:44:49 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA30923; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:44:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA30891 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 06:43:45 -0500 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 07:39:43 -0500 MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 07:43:13 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 07:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: David Scott 614/466-0705 Subject: RE: Example PDF files In-reply-to: <199508161902.QAA17926@Fox.NSTN.Ca> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 07:39:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: A121ZVXBAXWCK X400-MTS-identifier: [;34937071805991/1361402@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Scott 614/466-0705 >Does anybody have PDF files they're proud of? I'm collecting examples of >PDF files so I can convince my desktop publishing clients they should be >doing the same thing. >Stu Ducklow >Words & Pictures Design Group, Halifax, N.S. >WWW: http://Fox.NSTN.Ca:80/~sducklow/ I'm pretty happy with the conversion of Ohio's Computer Utilization Report to PDF. It's 178 pages and was originally produced with PageMaker and imported images of WordPerfect Tables when we couldn't cleanly convert them to Word. PDFWriter handled the entire report without a hitch. URL is: http://www.acq.das.ohio.gov/acq/report.pdf Having the report on the web saves the cost of printing additional copies. David E. Scott acq_scott@ohio.gov 17-Aug-1995 19:08:12-GMT,1259;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA09245 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:08:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00994; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:03:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA00894 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:01:41 -0500 From: lbaxt@cmp.com (Baxt Lisa) To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com (PDF-DIGEST) Message-Id: <1995Aug17.144800.1151.128781@smtpgate.cmp.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: CMP Publications, Inc. Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:01:50 -0600 Subject: Distilling of Presentation Software File Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lbaxt@cmp.com (Baxt Lisa) Could anyone out there tell a novice with two technical left feet how the following presentation software files can be saved as postscript files and then easily converted into PDF files? 1)Power Pt. 2) Harvard Graphics 3)Freelance Graphics 4) Wordperfect Presentations Lisa Baxt CMP Publications, Inc. 17-Aug-1995 19:48:44-GMT,1270;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA09559 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:48:40 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01260; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:41:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA01227 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:41:08 -0500 From: mkirby@TAPPI.ORG Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:39:37 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat Catalog and the WWW Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mkirby@TAPPI.ORG I have a question regarding Acrobat Catalog-- can an index file be downloaded off a web site, so a user can do searches of our PDF library off-line (or even on-line, with the search engine running at their end)-- then retreive the documents at their respective URL's? Offering the search capeability would be a benefit to those who have Exchange or Exchange LE (which we plan to offer with some of our CD-ROM publications in the works). Thanks in advance for any help! Mike Kirby Tappi Journal mailto:mkirby@tappi.org 17-Aug-1995 20:13:55-GMT,1823;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA09896 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:13:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01533; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:09:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01489 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:07:56 -0500 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:03:34 -0500 MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:07:04 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:58:46 -0500 (EST) From: David Scott 614/466-0705 Subject: 'E: Distilling of Presentation Software File In-reply-to: <1995Aug17.144800.1151.128781@smtpgate.cmp.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:03:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: A126ZVXBMY3OX X400-MTS-identifier: [;43306171805991/1362201@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Scott 614/466-0705 >Could anyone out there tell a novice with two technical left feet how the >following presentation software files can be saved as postscript files and >then easily converted into PDF files? > 1)Power Pt. > 2) Harvard Graphics > 3)Freelance Graphics > 4) Wordperfect Presentations >Lisa Baxt >CMP Publications, Inc. Lisa, If you have the applications, you should be able to use the PDFWriter to create the PDF files directly from the applications. Dave Scott acq_scott@ohio.gov 17-Aug-1995 20:33:56-GMT,2839;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA10046 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:33:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01836; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:28:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01793 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:27:01 -0500 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199508172026.QAA21494@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Distilling of Presentation Software File To: lbaxt@cmp.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <1995Aug17.144800.1151.128781@smtpgate.cmp.com> from "Baxt Lisa" at Aug 17, 95 03:01:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn2.9] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1732 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kendall Whitehouse > Could anyone out there tell a novice with two technical left feet how the > following presentation software files can be saved as postscript files and > then easily converted into PDF files? > > 1)Power Pt. > 2) Harvard Graphics > 3)Freelance Graphics > 4) Wordperfect Presentations Lisa: You didn't say which versions of these packages you're using. For example, Harvard Graphics had been available for a long time in both Windows and DOS versions, and different DOS versions require different steps to create a PostScript "print-to-disk" file. But, I may be able to help you with a few of these if you have access to a world-wide web browser and an Acrobat (PDF) file viewer. The "Computing Information Online" section of the Wharton Information Network has instructions on creating a PostScript file from Windows 3.1 applications as well as the DOS version of WordPerfect 5.1 and an old DOS version of Harvard Graphics (version 2.3). These instructions are primarily oriented toward students using the computers and output services at the Wharton School, but the instructions should be sufficiently general to walk you through the process on any computer. To find these PDF documents, point your web browser to -- http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/compinfo.html -- and then select "Preparing PostScript Output Files" Let me know if this helps. :Kendall -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 17-Aug-1995 21:46:48-GMT,2798;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA10756 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:46:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02196; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:26:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA02149 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:24:48 -0500 From: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) Message-Id: <9508172124.AA10589@wuecona.wustl.edu> Subject: replies to list To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF Discussion list) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:24:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1861 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) Lots of interesting questions appear daily on this list but alas most of the answers I fear go to the sender (since that is set as a default). But lurkers would like to know the answers, and the answers would be really cool if we have the mail saved/archived/webified. Yeah, I certainly know that the reply button can be misused and create havoc on the list, but far too many questions are appearing and no answers on the list itself for my taste. From the postings, we could not even create a FAQ - well we could, but there would be very few answers in that FAQ. What other opinions are there and maybe when Glen returns we would have a change of the default Reply-to: field. At least I would like to see the answers to most of the questions asked herein. Bob -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* # Economics Working Paper Archive # # http://econwpa.wustl.edu/wpawelcome.html # # gopher econwpa.wustl.edu # # # # Send a mail message (empty body) # # To: econ-wp@econwpa.wustl.edu # # Subject: get announce # *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Bob Parks Voice: (314) 935-5665 | | Department of Economics, Campus Box 1208 Fax: (314) 935-4156 | | Washington University | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, Missouri 63130-4899 bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu| *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* 17-Aug-1995 21:48:21-GMT,1532;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA10778 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:48:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02267; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:27:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA02190 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199508172125.QAA19858@falcon.inetnebr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" To: lbaxt@cmp.com (Baxt Lisa), PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:18:42 +0008 Subject: Re: Distilling of Presentation Software File Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" On 17 Aug 95 at 15:01, Baxt Lisa wrote: [SNIP] > Could anyone out there tell a novice with two technical left feet how the > following presentation software files can be saved as postscript files and > then easily converted into PDF files? > > 1)Power Pt. > 2) Harvard Graphics > 3)Freelance Graphics > 4) Wordperfect Presentations [SNIP] I'd suggest the Acrobat Pro package, then using the PDF writer as the output device in Windows. It has worked well for me using Freelance, and Presausion(Sp?) Kent 'Snake' Tegels http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake 17-Aug-1995 23:07:28-GMT,1160;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA11524 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:07:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03005; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:05:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA02966 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:03:47 -0500 Date: 17 Aug 95 19:01:44 EDT From: To: Subject: Acrobat and OS/2 Message-ID: <950817230144_702420.204300_BHD49-53@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: I have a client running OS/2 that is having trouble running a CD-ROM we developed using Acrobat Exchange LE and ATM 3.01. We installed the product successfully, but ATM 3.01 is coming up "disabled" at restart. She is running Windows 3.1 from OS/2. Anyone aware of any issues with OS/2 and Acrobat playing nicely together? Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing Charlottesville, VA 17-Aug-1995 23:35:13-GMT,1483;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA11773 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:35:10 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03312; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:33:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA03254 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:32:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:44:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199508172344.QAA17091@axel.redshift.com> X-Sender: jtalking@redshift.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: jtalking@RedShift.Com (Jerry Talkington) Subject: Acrobat and OS/2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jtalking@RedShift.Com (Jerry Talkington) >Reply-To: > >I have a client running OS/2 that is having trouble running a CD-ROM we >developed using Acrobat Exchange LE and ATM 3.01. We installed the product >successfully, but ATM 3.01 is coming up "disabled" at restart. She is >running Windows 3.1 from OS/2. This has to either do with a) ATM is turned off by the ATM Control Panel in Windows, or b) the settings for that WIN/OS2 session have not been changed (OS/2 has the WIN ATM turned off by default), or c) ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 19:07:14 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04028; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:04:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA03940 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:03:04 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:09:30 -0500 To: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks), pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF Discussion list) From: Kurt Foss Subject: Re: replies to list Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss At 4:24 PM 8/17/95, Bob Parks wrote: >Lots of interesting questions appear daily on this list but alas most of the >answers I fear go to the sender (since that is set as a default). > ... snip .... < >-- Bob et al, Fear not -- it's something we certainly are still discussing with our ISP. Just looking to be sure we don't have bounced messages *also* going to the full list. Any decision is on hold this week until Glenn is back from his family getaway. But personally, I share your feelings and hope we can make the correction you propose. Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email1= kfoss@emrg.com email2= kfoss@pobox.com ---<<#>>--- 18-Aug-1995 1:26:25-GMT,1669;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA12641 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 19:26:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04195; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:22:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA04110 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:13:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:09:32 -0700 From: Tom Thiersch Message-Id: <199508180109.SAA14735@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Re: Acrobat and OS/2 To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Tom Thiersch Rusty, Yep, well-known problem, but EASY solution. Just open the Settings notebook for the WinOS2 program object, go the Session page, open the Win-OS2 settings, select the Win-OS2 subset, and set the WIN_ATM value to ON. Tom Thiersch <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: 17 Aug 95 19:01:44 EDT From: Reply-To: Subject: Acrobat and OS/2 To: I have a client running OS/2 that is having trouble running a CD-ROM we developed using Acrobat Exchange LE and ATM 3.01. We installed the product successfully, but ATM 3.01 is coming up "disabled" at restart. She is running Windows 3.1 from OS/2. Anyone aware of any issues with OS/2 and Acrobat playing nicely together? Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing Charlottesville, VA <---- End Included Message ----> 18-Aug-1995 9:18:59-GMT,2008;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id DAA15579 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 03:18:57 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA06292; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 04:16:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA06245 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 04:14:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 05:13:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199508180913.FAA18789@freenet2.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: SCREEN FONT PROBLEMS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) We are creating docs in Quark Express on both Mac and Windows side and then generating pdf documents. Helvetica is the font used through most of text. Trouble is on the screen on the Mac side except at high magnifications, some of the characters run together. On the Windows side decenders of characters are dropped, unless seen at over 120%. (Original font size was 10pt and 12pt). Have tried embedding the fonts but this does not seem to improve screen view (everything is great on print out from both platforms). Cannot seem to access the fonts bundled with the Reader from Quark, even though they are in the system folder. Question: I know there must be a way to improve screen view and bundle screen fonts, but what is it? I suspect it is a question of working with the fonts that came with the reader, but how do I get to them from Quark? I am using a Mac with ATM (latest version) loaded. Are their special tricks from the Windows side to insure that pdf files created there look no different than those created on Mac? Thanks, John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 18-Aug-1995 12:08:36-GMT,2524;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA16263 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 06:08:34 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA06814; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 06:52:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA06782 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 06:52:00 -0500 MR-Received: by mta SOCCER; Relayed; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:47:55 -0500 MR-Received: by mta GOSIP; Relayed; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:51:25 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:35:03 -0500 (EST) From: David Scott 614/466-0705 Subject: RE: replies to list In-reply-to: <9508172124.AA10589@wuecona.wustl.edu> To: owner-pdf-l , pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:47:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: A123ZVXCB4XIE X400-MTS-identifier: [;55747081805991/1362824@ODNVMS] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Scott 614/466-0705 >Lots of interesting questions appear daily on this list but alas most of the >answers I fear go to the sender (since that is set as a default). >But lurkers would like to know the answers, and the answers would be really >cool if we have the mail saved/archived/webified. >What other opinions are there and maybe when Glen returns we would have a >change of the default Reply-to: field. >At least I would like to see the answers to most of the questions asked >herein. Bob The default reply has already been changed, it appears, but it's to the owner of the list, rather than the list itself. That, at least for me in the past, has generated a somewhat confusing automessage to the effect that it "appears to have been mis-addressed and is being forwarded on". I'll send this to both the list and the owner to test this out. As for suggestions, it would appear that a reply to the list would be more appropriate. It also would help to have a direct reply to the sender, in the situation where the sender doesn't include a .sig file at the end of the message. Archive, too? Wow! That's a great idea - will it be accessible via the web? Dave Scott acq_scott@ohio.gov 18-Aug-1995 12:38:09-GMT,1830;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA16412 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 06:38:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07101; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:33:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA07055 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:31:05 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:38:08 -0500 To: David Scott 614/466-0705 , pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: RE: replies to list Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss At 7:35 AM 8/18/95, David Scott 614/466-0705 wrote: >As for suggestions, it would appear that a reply to the list would be more >appropriate. It also would help to have a direct reply to the sender, in the >situation where the sender doesn't include a .sig file at the end of the >message. Archive, too? Wow! That's a great idea - will it be accessible via >the web? Yes, we're working on that, too. Stay tuned! Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email1= kfoss@emrg.com email2= kfoss@pobox.com ---<<#>>--- 18-Aug-1995 12:44:21-GMT,1128;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA16476 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 06:44:18 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07191; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:41:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA07156 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:41:12 -0500 From: Michael.Naver@s3abac8.ssa.gov Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 08:35:32 EST Encoding: 5 Text Message-Id: <9507188087.AA808761337@ccsmtpgw.ssa.gov> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Ugly Output from Distasst Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Michael.Naver@s3abac8.ssa.gov Has anyone else had bad output from the Distasst driver? From a Ventura Publisher chapter file, it created a Postscript and PDF file with ugly font substitution, irregular spacing, etc., When I ran the same chapter file through my regular PostScript driver (v. 3.58) and then distilled it into a PDF file, the output was perfect. 18-Aug-1995 13:00:09-GMT,4403;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA16560 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:00:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07381; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:55:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA07313 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:52:29 -0500 Subject: Information Services based on the PDF From: Matt Henderson To: "Mail List (PDF-L - Postings)" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 14:50:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1403365056-4844272@sce113.sced.esoc.esa.de> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Matt Henderson Subject: Various Questions Sent: 8/14/95 4:46 PM To: Mail List (PDF-L - Postings), PDF-L@emrg.com Hello, Recently I've been tasked with evaluating the use of a Web-based solution for an internal, departmental documentation/information service. I hope to have much of the documentation presented in PDF format. Along these lines, I have a few questions that I'd like to pass along to the list -- particularly to any of you with experience building and managing network information services. Any information you can provide will be _greatly_ appreciated. So here goes... - Is it generally preferable to have the users/authors convert their own documents to PDF and submit them for archiving, or is it better to have a central administrator perform this task? This would appear to me to be a trade-off between the costs of liscenses and training and the costs of a dedicated administrative task. Are there other considerations? - How is it possible to make an information archive of PDF files searchable? At this point, I've only used the Acrobat reader to view PDF documents, so I don't have experience generating them. So, with regard to the generation of PDF documents... - Are PDF files generally larger or smaller than the original documents? By what percentage? Is it the same relationship between distilled PS documents and documents generated by an application like WordPerfect printing to the Acrobat driver (which I presume is the way PDF files are generated by Acrobat-supported applications)? The reason I ask this question, by the way, is that I'm trying to estimate drive space requirements, based on a listing of available documentation (with corresponding sizes). Some documents are from applications like Word, WordPerfect & FrameMaker, while others are PS files. - Is it possible to use the PDF format to serve very large images, like architectural drawings? IOW, is it possible to map quadrants or segments of a large image to multiple pages in a single PDF document? And, finally, regarding a few miscellaneous topics... - What is the current state of technology with regards to creating links within PDF documents (like table of contents), links from one PDF document to another PDF document, links from PDF documents to other Internet/Web resources? Are creating links a simple procedure? - I've heard that the next (or a future) release of Netscape will integrate the Acrobat reader capability. Would this indicate that Netscape could then pull PDF _pages_ across the Net as opposed to the entire PDF document (as is currently necessary)? This would seem to me to have enormous network implications for a large information service. - Where (other than this list :) can I find information and answers to questions such as these? Well, I suppose that's all the questions I have at the moment. I really appreciate any advice you can offer. Unfortunately, this isn't my area of expertise :-(, but since I proposed the idea, I got assigned the task of looking into this service. So I'm trying to learn as much as possible in a short amount of time. Thanks in advance. (Also, please copy any replies to . Thanks!) Kind regards, -- matt -- Matt Henderson mhenders@netcom.com (personal) European Space Operations Centre mhenders@esoc.esa.de (work) Darmstadt, Germany 18-Aug-1995 15:41:18-GMT,1530;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA18077 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 09:41:13 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08261; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:21:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA08200 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:16:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:16:15 -0500 X-Sender: kfoss@emrg.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: "Communicating with New Media" book Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss I recently received a copy of a new book from Adobe Press titled "Interactivity By Design" [by Ray Kristof & Amy Satran] from Adobe Press, one of the first I have seen that specifically addresses the matter of designing for on-screen reading. Very well done! For those who may be interested: ISBN 1-56830-221-5 from Hayden Books/MacMillan Computer Publishing. Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E (formerly Knowledge In Motion) 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email1= kfoss@emrg.com email2= kfoss@pobox.com ---<<#>>--- 18-Aug-1995 16:56:48-GMT,1635;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA19085 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:56:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA08899; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:56:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA08799 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:51:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 09:48:29 -0700 From: Thom McCarty Subject: Re: replies to list To: PDF Discussion list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Simeon for Macintosh Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: NORMAL X-Authentication: none Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Thom McCarty On Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:24:09 -0500 (CDT) Bob Parks wrote: > [ snip ] >Yeah, I certainly know that the reply button can be misused and create havoc >on the list, but far too many questions are appearing and no answers on the >list itself for my taste. From the postings, we could not even create a FAQ >- well we could, but there would be very few answers in that FAQ. > >What other opinions are there and maybe when Glen returns we would have a >change of the default Reply-to: field. > [ snip ] I agree, replies should go to the list. Those who abuse the list can then be flamed, uh, i mean, educated :-) Thom. (testing simeon 3.0.2.1/b8 mac) 18-Aug-1995 18:30:13-GMT,1661;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA20163 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:30:10 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09598; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:30:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA09515 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:28:16 -0500 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 11:25:18 PST Message-Id: <9507188087.AA808770562@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Subject: Re: Acrobat and OS/2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com >Anyone aware of any issues with OS/2 and Acrobat playing nicely together? OS/2 Warp has an extra setting for convenience so people can decide which windows apps they want to run with ATM and which ones they don't. It's the 4th setting in the Win-OS/2 settings on the session page in the settings notebook. By default, this is off. Apparently some customers must have expressed interest in easily disabling ATM. You can click this on in the settings for Win-os2 fullscreen if you always like to use ATM, or, you can leave it off and only set WIN_ATM on for the applications that will need the extra fonts, such as Acrobat, Word, Illustrator, etc. This avoids having to click ATM on or off in the ATM control panel- which forces you to restart the windows session before it can take effect. It's a nice feature, but probably should have been on by default. -Greg 18-Aug-1995 18:32:35-GMT,1345;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA20185 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:32:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09703; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:32:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA09650 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:31:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:30:45 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thom McCarty , pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: Re: replies to list - FINAL WORD Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss >On Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:24:09 -0500 (CDT) Bob Parks >wrote: >I agree, replies should go to the list. Those who abuse the list can then be >flamed, uh, i mean, educated :-) > >--- Please, let's not make this an ongoing topic of discussion -- we're aware of the interest and will address it shortly. But the whole list doesn't need to be part of an ongoing debate on the pros and cons -- feel free to message me or Glenn with private opinions. Rgds ~ Kurt 19-Aug-1995 0:31:50-GMT,13177;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA23224 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 18:31:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA11859; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:18:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA11789 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:16:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:15:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199508190015.TAA16358@glacier.binc.net> X-Sender: kwhitehouse@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com, mhenders@netcom.com From: kwhitehouse@emrg.com (Kendall Whitehouse) Subject: Re: Information Services based on the PDF (long) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kwhitehouse@emrg.com (Kendall Whitehouse) Matt: You write: > Hello, > > Recently I've been tasked with evaluating the use of a Web-based solution > for an internal, departmental documentation/information service. I hope > to have much of the documentation presented in PDF format. Along these > lines, I have a few questions that I'd like to pass along to the list -- > particularly to any of you with experience building and managing network > information services. > > Any information you can provide will be _greatly_ appreciated. So here goes... I'll take a swing at answering some of your questions. > - Is it generally preferable to have the users/authors convert > their own documents to PDF and submit them for archiving, or is > it better to have a central administrator perform this task? > This would appear to me to be a trade-off between the costs of > liscenses and training and the costs of a dedicated > administrative task. Are there other considerations? This is a tough one to answer for the general case. It depends on several factors such as those you've mentioned. It also depends on the complexity of the documents -- simple word-processed documents could be easily converted to PDF by your users using PDF Writer. More complex documents -- where you might want to carefully consider options for using different compression filters and downsampling rates -- would be better handled by someone who understands these trade-offs. One additional note -- you mention licensing issues. Keep in mind that the Distiller (used to convert PostScript to PDF) can watch directories on a shared file server, so if you decide to have people convert their documents by creating a PostScript file and then distilling, you don't have to license a copy of Distiller for each user. > - How is it possible to make an information archive of PDF files searchable? > There is a product called Acrobat Catalog -- included with Acrobat for Workgroups -- that will create an index of PDF files. Acrobat Exchange includes a search plug-in that can query this index. Note that since this is a plug-in it requires Acrobat Exchange or Exchange LE (as opposed to Reader). Note also that this plug-in requires the files to be on a locally mounted volume. In other words, you can use it to index files on a local drive or a networked drive that appears as a local resource (such as a NetWare or an AppleShare volume). You can't use it retrieve files from a web, gopher, or ftp server. (There are, however, products from other companies such as Verity and PLS that can do this.) > At this point, I've only used the Acrobat reader to view PDF documents, > so I don't have experience generating them. So, with regard to the > generation of PDF documents... > > - Are PDF files generally larger or smaller than the original > documents? By what percentage? This varies a great deal, depending on the type of document and the options you select when you create the PDF file. Files with gray-scale or color images often compress by dramatic ratios (10:1 or 20:1) using Acrobat's default compression settings. Documents with text and line art are often smaller than the original source file, although don't gain as much through the compression options Acrobat offers. Some time ago I did a few quick experiments to compare documents at two extremes of the document spectrum---a simple text file and two richly formatted documents. For the text file I (arbitrarily) selected the first reasonably-large text file I found on my system---the MIME faq file posted to comp.mail.mime on 94 NOV 30. The flat text file of the faq was 78,632 bytes. When converted to PDF using Acrobat Distiller 2.0 the file was 79,773 bytes (an increase of less than 1.5 percent). For comparison, the WinWord 2.0 file was 91,585 bytes (an increase of roughly 16.5 percent) and the Rich Text Format version was 90,063. As an example of a richly-formatted document, I looked at the September 1994 issue of the University of Pennsylvania's computing newsletter, the *Penn Printout*. This is a visually rich document with a number of black-and-white and grayscale images created (I believe) on a Macintosh using PageMaker. The original PostScript 'print-to-disk' file for the entire issue was 14,605,550 bytes (and this used the PostScript level-2 option to store sampled images as binary data---a PS level 1 file would be *considerably* larger). When converted to Acrobat with Distiller 1.0 the entire issue was 1,854,811 bytes (roughly an 8 to 1 reduction in size). In both cases, the files contained the same embedded fonts and graphics. The PDF file also contained thumbnail views, bookmarks, and hypertext links not found in the PostScript file. Using Distiller 2.0 (which includes several new options for creating even smaller files) I converted the original PostScript file to a PDF file of 1,026,832 bytes (including thumbnail views and a sharper image on the opening page). As an example of a document with rich typography and color images, consider the Wharton School's *State of the School*. The original Quark file produced a PostScript file of 29 Mb. The final Acrobat file -- complete with full-color images, embedded fonts, thumbnails, article threads, and hypertext links, will fit comfortably on a floppy diskette at only 1.1 Mb. If you'd like you can see the results at: http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/wharpubs.html These diverse examples emphasize that Acrobat is a general-purpose tool that you can use any way you want. You have the option to embed fonts or not, downsample images or not, and apply any of several compression filters on selected classes of objects. If you *want* to retain an exact representation of a printed document, you can do so (at a cost of a larger file size). If you want a smaller document, you can select options which create more compact files (but lose some fidelity to the original document). Acrobat is a very flexible tool with many options. > Is it the same relationship > between distilled PS documents and documents generated by an > application like WordPerfect printing to the Acrobat driver > (which I presume is the way PDF files are generated by > Acrobat-supported applications)? In most cases I find that the Distiller does a better job at creating "efficient" (=small) PDF files than PDF Writer, although the difference is usually small (around, as I recall, 5%). I have seen a few anomalous cases, however, where a PDF file created by PDF Writer is uncharacteristically large while the Distilled file is much smaller. > The reason I ask this question, by the way, is that I'm trying > to estimate drive space requirements, based on a listing of > available documentation (with corresponding sizes). Some > documents are from applications like Word, WordPerfect & > FrameMaker, while others are PS files. > > - Is it possible to use the PDF format to serve very large > images, like architectural drawings? Probably, but with a few caveats. Can your CAD program (or whatever) create a PostScript file for the large page size? (Sometimes getting large page sizes out of your applications print driver is a headache, but it can usually be done). If so, the Distiller should be able to convert it to PDF. [Side question for one of the Adobe folks -- I assume there's a max limit on the page size you can create through Distiller or specify in the PDF file format. Anyone know what that is?] Also, be aware that images with very large numbers of vectors can take a while to redraw on screen. The Acrobat viewers are fairly good at doing this, but may not be as fast as your CAD program. In short, Acrobat is probably up to this task, but I'd do some tests on some "real-world" examples before committing to the technology. > IOW, is it possible to map > quadrants or segments of a large image to multiple pages in a > single PDF document? If you can create a PostScript file that "tiles" the document onto smaller pages like this, then you can convert that PS file into PDF using the Distiller. > > And, finally, regarding a few miscellaneous topics... > > - What is the current state of technology with regards to > creating links within PDF documents (like table of contents), This has been a feature of Acrobat since version 1.0 > links from one PDF document to another PDF document, This was added in the Acrobat 2.0 products, assuming the files are all on a locally mounted volume (such as a local disk or a shared network drive, but *not* on a remote web server, ftp server, etc.). > links from > PDF documents to other Internet/Web resources? On Adobe's world-wide web site you can download a *beta* copy of their WebLink plug-in that will allow you to embed a URL into a PDF file at: http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Weblink.html If the PDF file is viewed on a system that has the plug-in installed along with a compatible web browser (Netscape Navigator or Spry's Enhanced Mosaic) you can follow the link to any resource pointed to by the URL. Since this works via a plug-in, you currently need to use Exchange to utilize this feature. > Are creating > links a simple procedure? Yep. Using Exchange, you simply drag a rectangle around the area you want to be the source of the link, go to the view you want for the destination, and then OK. This is a very simple procedure to do for a few links. Since it's a manual procedure, however, it can become very tedious when creating a large number of links. It's possible -- using a PostScript extension known as "pdfmark" -- to have an application write instructions for these links into the PostScript file that will then be automatically applied when the file is Distilled. Some applications are beginning to support this feature such as -- I believe -- FrameMaker and PageMaker (both *before* the acquisition, incidentally) but support for this is still rare. > - I've heard that the next (or a future) release of Netscape > will integrate the Acrobat reader capability. Would this > indicate that Netscape could then pull PDF _pages_ across the > Net as opposed to the entire PDF document (as is currently > necessary)? This would seem to me to have enormous network > implications for a large information service. I believe that Adobe and Netscape have announced plans to include *both* of these features -- a future version of Netscape Navigator will support viewing PDF files natively in the viewer (without requiring a helper application) AND have the ability (with support from the server) to retrieve partial sets of PDF objects (presumably equivalent to page in most cases) from a larger document. There's information about these plans in the 03/28/95 press release on Adobe's web server at: http://www.adobe.com/Corp/PressReleases/ToC.html > - Where (other than this list :) can I find information and answers > to questions such as these? Adobe's Web site is probably the best place to start. There is also a netnews group (comp.text.pdf) and other Adobe- and Acrobat-based list servers. Several of these are listed on Adobe's web at: http://www.adobe.com/Elsewhere.html There are also a couple of books on Acrobat (with hopefully more to come). > Well, I suppose that's all the questions I have at the moment. I really > appreciate any advice you can offer. Unfortunately, this isn't my area of > expertise :-(, but since I proposed the idea, I got assigned the task of > looking into this service. So I'm trying to learn as much as possible in > a short amount of time. Thanks in advance. I hope this helps. :Kendall -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kendall Whitehouse E M E R G E KWhitehouse@emrg.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 19-Aug-1995 0:42:42-GMT,3113;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA23344 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 18:42:40 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA12025; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:25:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA11959 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:24:28 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 19:39:35 PST Message-Id: <9507188087.AA808791927@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: SCREEN FONT PROBLEMS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com A couple of font tricks I know: 1. Since Acrobat's substitution fonts are based on Multiple Master Myriad and Minion, try designing documents using these fonts. Then use Distiller to convert them without embedding. The screen representation at your planned display sizes should translate very predictably on both platforms. 2. To prevent smaller letterforms from bumping, add a small amount of intercharacter spacing (tracking) throughout the text. How much depends on how the font was designed. I assume you are using Distiller rather than PDFWriter? Xpress does not emit flawless output through PDFWriter in any case; like most high-end layout applications it was designed with PostScript output in mind. That may fix the descender problem. To access the Base 14 fonts from Quark, you should install them from Exchange using a Custom Install, specifying "Place Fonts in System:Fonts Folder." Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: SCREEN FONT PROBLEMS From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) at cc_smtp2 Date: 8/18/95 2:20 AM We are creating docs in Quark Express on both Mac and Windows side and then generating pdf documents. Helvetica is the font used through most of text. Trouble is on the screen on the Mac side except at high magnifications, some of the characters run together. On the Windows side decenders of characters are dropped, unless seen at over 120%. (Original font size was 10pt and 12pt). Have tried embedding the fonts but this does not seem to improve screen view (everything is great on print out from both platforms). Cannot seem to access the fonts bundled with the Reader from Quark, even though they are in the system folder. Question: I know there must be a way to improve screen view and bundle screen fonts, but what is it? I suspect it is a question of working with the fonts that came with the reader, but how do I get to them from Quark? I am using a Mac with ATM (latest version) loaded. Are their special tricks from the Windows side to insure that pdf files created there look no different than those created on Mac? Thanks, John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 19-Aug-1995 0:42:47-GMT,3089;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA23349 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 18:42:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA12116; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:28:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA12073 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:26:52 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 19:50:36 PST Message-Id: <9507188087.AA808791997@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: Matt Henderson Subject: Re: Information Services based on the PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Matt: I can try a few of them: - How is it possible to make an information archive of PDF files searchable? On LAN, Acrobat Catalog indexes PDFs for full text searches. Catalog is an Adobe product. - Are PDF files generally larger or smaller than the original documents? By what percentage? Smaller. - Is it the same relationship between distilled PS documents and documents generated by an application like WordPerfect printing to the Acrobat driver (which I presume is the way PDF files are generated by Acrobat-supported applications)? Not necessarily. Deepnds on the contents. In general, files with scanned images come out much smaller when Distilled because Distiller has desampling options. You can pick a maximum resolution. PDFWriter lacks this feature. "Acrobat-savvy" apllications generate additional PostScript (called PDFMark) that Distiller interprets to create links and bookmarks; they don't typically interact with PDFWriter. - Is it possible to use the PDF format to serve very large images, like architectural drawings? IOW, is it possible to map quadrants or segments of a large image to multiple pages in a single PDF document? Yes, just output from applications that support Tiling. Adobe Illustrator is one example. - What is the current state of technology with regards to creating links within PDF documents (like table of contents), links from one PDF document to another PDF document, links from PDF documents to other Internet/Web resources? Are creating links a simple procedure? I think so! - I've heard that the next (or a future) release of Netscape will integrate the Acrobat reader capability. Would this indicate that Netscape could then pull PDF _pages_ across the Net as opposed to the entire PDF document (as is currently necessary)? This would seem to me to have enormous network implications for a large information service. The next. Yes, and yes, it does have some mighty implications. - Where (other than this list :) can I find information and answers to questions such as these? Adobe's Website is one place, which has pointers to other PDF-populated web sites: http://www.adobe.com Hope this helps! Gary Cosimini Adobe NY 19-Aug-1995 3:24:15-GMT,1547;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA23957 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 21:24:13 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA13030; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:24:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA12875 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:16:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 20:29:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199508190329.UAA07156@axel.redshift.com> X-Sender: jtalking@redshift.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: jtalking@RedShift.Com (Jerry Talkington) Subject: Ugly Output from Distasst Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jtalking@RedShift.Com (Jerry Talkington) Reply-To: Michael.Naver@s3abac8.ssa.gov > > Has anyone else had bad output from the Distasst driver? From a > Ventura Publisher chapter file, it created a Postscript and PDF file > with ugly font substitution, irregular spacing, etc., When I ran the > same chapter file through my regular PostScript driver (v. 3.58) and > then distilled it into a PDF file, the output was perfect. Make sure you dont have duplicate versions of the postscript driver, as I believe the Distasst uses the Microsoft(3.58) driver (even if you have the Adobe driver installed) and it may be finding an older version and using that. 19-Aug-1995 15:25:00-GMT,1389;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA27455 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:24:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA16760; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 10:24:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA16629 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 10:20:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 11:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199508191521.LAA13510@mailbox.syr.edu> X-Sender: decole@mailbox.syr.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: David Cole Subject: Acrobat vs Arena et al Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David Cole My thanks for those of you who take the time to explain PDF nuances to those of us who are just coming on board. Having spent the past two weeks exploring various sites posting PDF docs, I'd like to hear from anyone who has experience with, or comments about Arena, xdvi and ghostview as alternate methods of dealing with postscript material. David Cole Computing & Technology Group - Maxwell School of Citizenship & Public Affairs 319 Eggers Hall Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244 20-Aug-1995 16:19:07-GMT,1213;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA03455 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:19:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22291; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 11:17:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA22207 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 11:10:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 12:10:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199508201610.MAA07978@dylan.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Arena From: Adam Rainoff To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Adam Rainoff What is Arena? I have tremendous technology presence and never have heard of it. -- =================== ====================================== | AUDIO / VIDEO | A f t e r H o u r s M e d i a | | CD-ROM / CD-AUDIO | True Multiple-Media Duplication | | PRINT / GRAPHICS | http://www.afterhours.com/ | =================== ====================================== 21-Aug-1995 3:59:04-GMT,2294;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA06276 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:59:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA24383; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 22:59:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA24300 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 22:52:31 -0500 X-Sender: hal9001@popserver.panix.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Mac Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 23:51:56 -0400 To: "Acrobat List" From: "Robert A. Rosenberg" Subject: Acrobat Fonts Problem Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Robert A. Rosenberg" I have run into what appears to be a problem/bug/design-flaw with Acrobat and required fonts. I use Suitcase to control my fonts. The "PostScript Basic 35" are one of the font families that is under Suitcase control. My problem is that unless I leave Symbol in the Fonts folder AND remove the PostScript Basic 35 fonts from Suitcase control (by closing moving the fonts back to the Fonts Folder) Acrobat Reader 2.0.1 refuses to start up (it displays a "Not all Fonts are installed" error message and shuts down). Leaving Symbol and Zapf Dingbats out of the Fonts Folder (and letting the Suitcase version get accessed) DOES NOT WORK nor does having them in both places (closing the suitcase allows Acrobat to fire up if the two fonts are in the Font Folder so it is LOOKING for them there and refusing to work if there is a copy in any other location). Has anyone-else had this problem and is there ANY solution short of moving the 35 Fonts back to the Fonts folder (I'd like to not have to split them back into 13 suitcases and not open the two that Acrobat is getting paranoid about but that may be my only solution to this BUG). Note: I am also posting this to the PDF list, just in case someone there who is not on the Acrobat list has a handle on this problem (I apologize to those who are getting two copies due to being on both lists). 21-Aug-1995 7:05:28-GMT,2337;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA07692 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 01:05:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA25650; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 02:05:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA25540 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 02:01:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:01:01 +0300 Message-Id: <199508210701.KAA07242@vtt.fi> X-Sender: infrnu@vttmail.vtt.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi (Riitta Alkula) Subject: Colour in PDF files X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi (Riitta Alkula) Hello, just being curious if you have simple rules-of-thumb how to retain simple colour graphics in ordinary word processing documents (like Word) when you do not have colour printer. In Acrobat version 1.0 the colour pictures remained as such, when pdf file was created by PDFWriter, even when the PC was connected to a B&W printer only. (A very nice feature, making the pdf documents "smarter" than the paper output.) Now, with the Acrobat 2.0, if I am correct, the colour pictures will remain only, if the PC has been connected to colour printer. If you have only B&W printer with B&W drivers, the colour pictures will turn to B&W (as they would when printed on paper). In my organisation all PCs are connected to B&W printers, but only few to high quality colour printers. Is there a way to cheat Acrobat 2.0 to produce colour files like the version 1.0 did (e.g. by adding lines to .ini file)? Well, of course we could produce all the pdf files by sending them to a person with colour printer, i.e. assign a dedicated colour pdf production station, but are there other ways, too? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Riitta Alkula (M.Soc.Sci., M.A.) Email: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi VTT Information Service Phone: + 358 0 456 4372 P.O.Box 2000 Fax: + 358 0 456 4374 FIN-02044 VTT Street address: FINLAND Vuorimiehentie 5, Espoo 21-Aug-1995 14:31:13-GMT,2467;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA09441 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:31:11 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27013; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:41:16 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA26932 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:35:27 -0500 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 09:23:06 EST Message-Id: <9507218090.AA809022924@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi (Riitta Alkula), PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Colour in PDF files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Riita, Color has worked for me by using the PDFWriter (version 2.0) with various packages. It's also worked from the Distiller when using PageMaker. What application are you using? Joe Hello, just being curious if you have simple rules-of-thumb how to retain simple colour graphics in ordinary word processing documents (like Word) when you do not have colour printer. In Acrobat version 1.0 the colour pictures remained as such, when pdf file was created by PDFWriter, even when the PC was connected to a B&W printer only. (A very nice feature, making the pdf documents "smarter" than the paper output.) Now, with the Acrobat 2.0, if I am correct, the colour pictures will remain only, if the PC has been connected to colour printer. If you have only B&W printer with B&W drivers, the colour pictures will turn to B&W (as they would when printed on paper). In my organisation all PCs are connected to B&W printers, but only few to high quality colour printers. Is there a way to cheat Acrobat 2.0 to produce colour files like the version 1.0 did (e.g. by adding lines to .ini file)? Well, of course we could produce all the pdf files by sending them to a person with colour printer, i.e. assign a dedicated colour pdf production station, but are there other ways, too? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Riitta Alkula (M.Soc.Sci., M.A.) Email: Riitta.Alkula@vtt.fi VTT Information Service Phone: + 358 0 456 4372 P.O.Box 2000 Fax: + 358 0 456 4374 FIN-02044 VTT Street address: FINLAND Vuorimiehentie 5, Espoo 21-Aug-1995 14:36:19-GMT,2713;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA09525 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:36:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27598; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:35:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA27519 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:33:09 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Message-Id: <199508211432.AA03577@hoover.gilbarco.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:36:04 est To: Kurt Foss , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Is this the Win95 compatible version? >______________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: NEWS: Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today >From: Kurt Foss at ~GATEWAY >Date: 8/21/95 8:02 AM > >HOT OFF THE PRESS - Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today. Here is an excerpt of >Adobe's press release. Full text available at the EMERGE web site at >http://www.emrg.com -- +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Ideas withheld or repressed are automatically imbued - Jeff Heiskell with a false sense of mystery and intrigue." The JudyBats Received: by ccmail from hoover.gilbarco.com >From owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Envelope-From: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by mark.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA04190 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:05:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA26568; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:04:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA26487 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:02:18 -0500 X-Sender: kfoss@emrg.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:09:35 -0500 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: NEWS: Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss 21-Aug-1995 14:41:43-GMT,2552;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA09596 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:41:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA26608; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:05:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA26487 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:02:18 -0500 X-Sender: kfoss@emrg.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:09:35 -0500 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: NEWS: Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss HOT OFF THE PRESS - Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today. Here is an excerpt of Adobe's press release. Full text available at the EMERGE web site at http://www.emrg.com -- >--- Adobe Announces Acrobat v. 2.1 Software for Universal Electronic Publishing Provides expanded tools to create dynamic electronic information with enhanced Internet integration and multimedia support Mountain View, Calif., (August 21, 1995) Adobe Systems Incorporated extended the standard for electronic publishing today, introducing Adobe Acrobat 2.1 software (25k PDF file) with new authoring tools for multimedia and World Wide Web publishing, as well as additional platform support for Microsoft. Windows NT, Windows 95, native Power Macintosh., SunOS, Sun Solaris., HP-UX and Silicon Graphics. IRIX. systems. Adobe also introduced Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs, a cost-effective publishing solution that offers the Acrobat Reader with full-text search capability, enabling publishers to create fully searchable, cross-platform CD-ROM titles. <...more...> >--- Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email1= kfoss@emrg.com email2= kfoss@pobox.com http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 21-Aug-1995 15:11:15-GMT,2168;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA09843 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:11:12 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28702; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:09:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28640 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:06:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:06:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com, pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: Re: NEWS: Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss >Is this the Win95 compatible version? Yup! =46YI --->If you have any trouble with http://www.emrg.com today, try: http://emrg.com.html/emerge_home.html >HOT OFF THE PRESS - Acrobat v. 2.1 announced today. Here is an excerpt of >Adobe's press release. Full text available at the EMERGE web site at >http://www.emrg.com -- > >>--- >Adobe Announces Acrobat v. 2.1 Software for Universal Electronic Publishing > >Provides expanded tools to create dynamic electronic information with >enhanced Internet integration and multimedia support > > Mountain View, Calif., (August 21, 1995) > >Adobe Systems Incorporated extended the standard for electronic publishing >today, introducing Adobe=81 Acrobat=81 2.1 software (25k PDF file) with new >authoring tools for multimedia and World Wide Web publishing, as well as >additional platform support for Microsoft=AE Windows NT=81, Windows=81 95, = native >Power Macintosh=AE, SunOS=81, Sun=81 Solaris=AE, HP-UX and Silicon= Graphics=AE IRIX=AE >systems. > >Adobe also introduced Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs, a cost-effective >publishing solution that offers the Acrobat Reader with full-text search >capability, enabling publishers to create fully searchable, cross-platform >CD-ROM titles. ><...more...> >>--- > >Rgds ~ Kurt 21-Aug-1995 19:36:06-GMT,1325;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA12514 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 13:36:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30099; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:36:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30018 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:33:12 -0500 From: Karen Marie Bowen Message-Id: <9508211932.AA32752@ucs.orst.edu> Subject: Windows 95 Version of Reader To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-L Discussion Group) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:32:34 -0800 (PDT) Cc: bowenk@ucs.orst.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 421 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Karen Marie Bowen Does anyone know if the new version of the reader supports the web api plug-in? If not, does anyone know when a version that supports URL links will be available? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Karen Marie Bowen Internet: bowenk@ucs.orst.edu Home Page: http://www.orst.edu/students/list/bowenk.html "Education would not be necessary if things were as they seem." 21-Aug-1995 19:59:42-GMT,1547;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA12726 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 13:59:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30353; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:59:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30262 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:56:38 -0500 From: jbeverly@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 12:59:01 PST Message-Id: <9507218090.AA809035019@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Karen Marie Bowen , pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: bowenk@ucs.orst.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 Version of Reader Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jbeverly@mv.us.adobe.com The 2.1 Reader supports the Weblink plug-in, as well as the movie plug-in. Jamie Beverly _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Windows 95 Version of Reader From: Karen Marie Bowen at cc_smtp2 Date: 08/21/95 12:52 PM Does anyone know if the new version of the reader supports the web api plug-in? If not, does anyone know when a version that supports URL links will be available? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Karen Marie Bowen Internet: bowenk@ucs.orst.edu Home Page: http://www.orst.edu/students/list/bowenk.html "Education would not be necessary if things were as they seem." 22-Aug-1995 12:36:41-GMT,1945;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA19325 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 06:36:38 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA01813; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:19:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA01751 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:16:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "George S. Spain" To: Karen Marie Bowen cc: PDF-L Discussion Group , bowenk@ucs.orst.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 Version of Reader In-Reply-To: <9508211932.AA32752@ucs.orst.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "George S. Spain" Adobe has said in the past that it does not intend to issue such a program. You must have Exchange to accomplish this. ----------- > Does anyone know if the new version of the reader supports the web api > plug-in? If not, does anyone know when a version that supports URL > links will be available? > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Karen Marie Bowen > Internet: bowenk@ucs.orst.edu > Home Page: http://www.orst.edu/students/list/bowenk.html > > "Education would not be necessary if things were as they seem." > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + George Spain / Technical Writer + + Academic and Research Computing Services + + Medical Univ. of South Carolina + + 171 Ashley Avenue, Charleston, SC 29425-1050 + + spain@musc.edu (803) 792-1062 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 22-Aug-1995 15:43:18-GMT,2582;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA20913 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:43:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02951; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:38:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02868 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:33:43 -0500 From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 08:28:44 PST Message-Id: <9507228091.AA809105693@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: "George S. Spain" , bowenk@ucs.orst.edu Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Windows 95 Version of Reader Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Hello everyone- The new Adobe Acrobat Reader 2.1 for Macintosh, Power Macintosh and Windows (Win 3.1, Win NT, Win 95) has the ability to "follow" Weblinks in any PDF file. The same is true for the new Movie Tool. You need Acrobat Exchange to CREATE the links to movies, sound clips and Weblinks (URLs) - the Acrobat Reader, which is still free and freely distributable, will follow any weblink and play back any movie or sound clip. The new Acrobat Reader 2.1 will be up on Adobe's home page at http:// www.adobe.com/Acrobat by Thursday of this week. Judy Kirkpatrick Market Development Manager _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Windows 95 Version of Reader From: "George S. Spain" at cc_smtp2 Date: 8/22/95 5:20 AM Adobe has said in the past that it does not intend to issue such a program. You must have Exchange to accomplish this. ----------- > Does anyone know if the new version of the reader supports the web api > plug-in? If not, does anyone know when a version that supports URL > links will be available? > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Karen Marie Bowen > Internet: bowenk@ucs.orst.edu > Home Page: http://www.orst.edu/students/list/bowenk.html > > "Education would not be necessary if things were as they seem." > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + George Spain / Technical Writer + + Academic and Research Computing Services + + Medical Univ. of South Carolina + + 171 Ashley Avenue, Charleston, SC 29425-1050 + + spain@musc.edu (803) 792-1062 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 22-Aug-1995 15:53:35-GMT,1020;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA21000 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:53:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03125; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:49:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA03078 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:48:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199508221547.MAA28501@Fox.NSTN.Ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:50:01 +0300 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: sducklow@fox.nstn.ns.ca (stu ducklow) Subject: Sample PDF files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sducklow@fox.nstn.ns.ca (stu ducklow) Thanks to all the people who responded to my request for sample PDF files. I feel enormously educated. Stu Ducklow Words & Pictures Design Group, Halifax, N.S. WWW: http://Fox.NSTN.Ca:80/~sducklow/ 22-Aug-1995 16:13:39-GMT,2102;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA21184 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:13:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03372; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:07:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03317 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:05:31 -0500 From: jbeverly@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 09:08:14 PST Message-Id: <9507228091.AA809107611@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: "George S. Spain" , bowenk@ucs.orst.edu Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Windows 95 Version of Reader Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jbeverly@mv.us.adobe.com As I posted earlier, the 2.1 version of Acrobat Reader *does* support the weblink plug-in. Jamie Beverly Acrobat QA _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Windows 95 Version of Reader From: "George S. Spain" at cc_smtp2 Date: 08/22/95 5:20 AM Adobe has said in the past that it does not intend to issue such a program. You must have Exchange to accomplish this. ----------- > Does anyone know if the new version of the reader supports the web api > plug-in? If not, does anyone know when a version that supports URL > links will be available? > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Karen Marie Bowen > Internet: bowenk@ucs.orst.edu > Home Page: http://www.orst.edu/students/list/bowenk.html > > "Education would not be necessary if things were as they seem." > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + George Spain / Technical Writer + + Academic and Research Computing Services + + Medical Univ. of South Carolina + + 171 Ashley Avenue, Charleston, SC 29425-1050 + + spain@musc.edu (803) 792-1062 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 22-Aug-1995 21:39:31-GMT,2497;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA24579 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:39:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04618; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:34:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04577 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:32:06 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 17:23:56 PST Message-Id: <9507228091.AA809127142@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: mhenders@netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Information Services based on the PDF (long) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >[Side question for one of the Adobe folks -- I assume there's a max limit on >the page size you can create through Distiller or specify in the PDF file >format. Anyone know what that is?] 45 by 45 inches, as defined in the PDF Putty Book. But since PostScript allows scaling, that size is somewhat abstract. You could save a 90 inch drawing to PostScript at 50% scaling, for example, and Distiller would generate a 45 inch PDF file. > IOW, is it possible to map > quadrants or segments of a large image to multiple pages in a > single PDF document? >If you can create a PostScript file that "tiles" the document onto >smaller pages like this, then you can convert that PS file into PDF using >the Distiller. I responded to this question the same way Kendall Whitehouse did, but there is another consideration: most desktop publishing drawing applications that support "tiling" do so by simply downloading the PostScript page description X times with a different crop box (or masking region) and offset (called a transformation matrix) to create "tiles". So, while Acrobat will reproduce this "tiling" perfectly well in PDF, it means that the document might contain the _full_ drawing on each page. However, if your CAD program is intelligent enough to create "unique" individual pages for each tile, the results would be much more compact and would paint to screen more efficiently. Since CAD files typically consist of simpler splines than, say, those of a complex PostScript-based drawing in Illustrator or Freehand, it may very well be possible that they can tile individual segments without emitting redundant data. Try and see. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY 23-Aug-1995 10:19:08-GMT,2911;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA08327 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:19:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA07445; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:17:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA07390 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:13:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:12:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199508231012.GAA22045@freenet.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: X-PLATFORM SCREEN FONTS:PROBLEMS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) We are still having problems getting good screen font presentation on our pdf files that will eventually be put on a CD. Here are the specs and desirables for our project. If anyone has a solution, I would be interested in hearing about it ASAP, including explicit instructions for both of the creating platforms if there are certain tricks unique to each. 1. Documents that will become pdf files are being created on two platforms (Mac and Windows 3.1). Most are created in Quark Express using each platforms version. 2. Our aim is to have good looking text on screen and for that will sacrifice somewhat on the printed side, i.e. we have opted not to use serif fonts because the problem with reading them on screen and the fact that our project is designed to be used by a user with a basic 640x480 256 colour machine. At the same time we do not want to do a lot of fine tuning in Quark (e.g., changing tracking) in order to improve screen resolution, especially if this will make printed output look bad. 3. The cd on which the files will be put will be freely distributed (it is a scientific project), but we anticipate it may be bundled with a printed publication that will be sold. Thus we need fonts that we can distribute leagally with no licence fee. 4. We can make no assumptions about the fonts on any of the target machines. 5. Text created in Quark will have a mixture of text, line work and colour+halftones in single or double column. Point size may be as small as 7 for superscripts but body text will be in bold and normal 10, 12 pt. Any advice would sure be appreciated. We have people working on Quark files from both sides and are really becoming discouraged when we look at the screen presentation of files created on the other platform, decebders dropped, characters run together etc. Most problems disappear at magnifications >150% but that is not the mag at which the files will be read. Thanks, John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 23-Aug-1995 10:35:45-GMT,3791;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA08401 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:35:42 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA07610; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:33:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA07554 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:30:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:30:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199508231030.GAA24226@freenet.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: WHAT GOES ON CD? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) This is realted to my other question re screen fonts in pdf files but I am posting it separately so it doesn't get buried there. We are producing a multimedia project for Windows and Mac platforms. The multimedia portion is done in Director, but we will be going from Director to a number of Technical reports in pdf format. In some cases the reader will be viewing a pdf report then returning to the multimedia presentation in Director. The project is designed for the base level platform, i.e., 640x480 screen, 256 colour resolution, 8mb RAM. We cannot make assumptions about what the reader will have on his/her machine so want to include on the CD everything that will be needed for them to use the pdf files. Questions: 1. I know that the Windows and Mac versions of the Acrobat Reader should be on each CD, but what else. Do we include the limited ATM and the fonts as well, and what instructions do we give the user about downloading the Reader and fonts BEFORE firing up the CD presentation. I know on the mac side that dropping the limited ATM in the system folder, if another version of ATM is already there will cause an error on rebooting. Yet we will have users who do not even know if they have ATM in theor machine, and they will know virtually nothing about fonts or installing them. So we must give simple instructions that are more or less bomb-proof. 2. Many users are reluctant to put anything on their Hard Drive, even though this is a common first step with commercial CDs. Can we avoid downloading anything to the users HD. Will the reader run FROM THE CD? How about the fonts? If they are embedded in the pdf files that we are presenting, does the CD user need to download any fonts at all? 3. File organization. Our users will be looking at several linked pdf files then possibly going back to Director (quitting Acrobat takes one back to Director in the Mac). Does this imply any special arrangement of the pdf files on the CD, i.e., all in the same folder with the Reader, not in any folder etc. etc. I am especially concerned about the path problems on the Windows side. What is the best way to organize the files on the CD so the Windows user has no problems--I already know that they all must have 8.3 type file names. 4. Related to the above questions: Just what should we put on the CD in order to allow the Windows and Mac users to use the pdf files and should everything (both versions of the reader etc.) be in the same folder or directory? I am sure there must be many users out there who have had similar problems. If you have written instructions for your users, I would sure like to see a copy of that text. We want to keep things as simple as possible for the end user, yet we never want them to get a "pathname not found" or "file not found" error. Thanks in advance, -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 23-Aug-1995 13:33:03-GMT,1394;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA09244 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:32:56 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA08186; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:27:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA08131 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:24:25 -0500 X-Sender: npitts@janus.sedl.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:21:34 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) Subject: Re: WHAT GOES ON CD? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) >This is realted to my other question re screen fonts in pdf files but I am >posting it separately so it doesn't get buried there. > >We are producing a multimedia project for Windows and Mac platforms. Please post responses to these messages to the group as well. My company will be producing a similar product soon and many of John's questions are ones that I have myself. I'd rather store them away now than have to look silly and ask them again. Thanks, Natanya Natanya Leathers nat@sedl.org "One of life's simple joys is playing with the boys." 23-Aug-1995 13:52:08-GMT,2076;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA09394 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:52:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA08395; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:47:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA08342 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:44:56 -0500 MR-Received: by mta UNHCES; Relayed; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:42:00 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862-1805" Subject: Graphics vs. text in Capture To: pdf-l@emrg.com, ext-acrobat@unh.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:41:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E47ZVXHDU4BF X400-MTS-identifier: [;00249032805991/44769@UNHCES] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862-1805" The person who has been using Capture for us has repeatedly encountered problems with graphics and text when they are in close proximity. One document treated captions as graphics. This posed some editing problems. In addition, there is no recognition of the "graphical text" when using a search engine. I was hoping that using keywords would help with the searching. Unfortunately, it requires people to set up their search differently, and searching for a word as a keyword and within text does just that . . . only documents that satisfy *both* requirements are hits. We're hoping that someone out there has experienced this problem, and come up with some possible work arounds. Is there any way to keep text from being blocked in with the graphics, or editing that text? 23-Aug-1995 14:08:01-GMT,3858;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA09558 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:07:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08612; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:04:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08524 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:02:36 -0500 From: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:02:14 GMT -0600 Subject: Problem with 1.0 readers Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3A8773B0D1F@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" I have been having a problem with getting Distilled postscript files to render in 1.0 readers (DOS, Unix). I maintain an academic site that disseminates Department publications via .PDF Because most of the publications are still originally created in WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS (!?), if I want to use the .PDF writer, I must bring them into WP6.1 for Windows first. In the WP conversion, unacceptable changes are made. So what I have decided to do is output the original WP5.1 files to a PostScript printer (capturing the output to a .ps file) and then distill. The results are fantastic for 2.0 readers, but 1.0 readers will not render the files at all. All I get are blank pages, and very cryptic error messages like: Alert: There was an error reading page 2 near the contents: An unrecognized token '(cent symbol--which I cannot duplicate in ASCII)' was found. On different pages, different unrecognized tokens are found. I have tried outputting to hp4.0 postscript and hp2p postscript, with the same results. For now, I have decided that I'd rather have true output and sacrifice my DOS and Unix clients, but this problem is very vexing. I have called Adobe technical help on this, but they have not offered me any solutions, except to say that my printer drivers must be screwed up. However, I can print the postscript output perfectly well, and the resultant .PDF's render beautifully (as already mentioned) in 2.0 readers. Am I missing something? Is there a better way to produce .PDF's from the distiller so that they will render in ALL readers? I would appreciate any help anyone can give me on this, as I am fairly new to Acrobat. Anyone who would like to test my .PDF's on a 1.0 platform (or 2.0 for that matter) is welcome to do so. http://www.wisc.edu/agecon then click on DEPARTMENT PUBLICATIONS (FULL TEXT). There are about 55 .pdf files there. I would also be more than willing to ship anyone a .ps file (for hp4.0 or hp2p) if there is a PostScript jockey out there. I offered to do all this for Adobe technical support people on the phone and I got zilch as a response. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Jack Solock | Agriculture is the mother and Taylor-Hibbard Library | nourisher of all other arts: Department of Agricultural Economics | when agriculture is well University of Wisconsin-Madison | conducted, all other arts 427 Lorch St. #106 | prosper; when agriculture is Madison, WI 53706 | neglected, all other arts decay, (608) 262-9488 | on the land and on the sea. Jack@agecon.wisc.edu | | Xenophon--431-354 B.C. http://www.wisc.edu/agecon | (Economico, V) U.W. Ag. Econ. Home Page gopher://calshp.cals.wisc.edu click on Agricultural Economics Publica- tions--U.W. Ag. Econ. Gopher 23-Aug-1995 15:17:53-GMT,2226;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA10082 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:17:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08990; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:12:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA08931 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:09:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:08:38 -0400 X-Sender: schoka@ccel.mitre.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: acrobat@blueworld.com From: schoka@mwunix.mitre.org (Andrew M. Schoka) Subject: Re: PDF as an open specification (repost) Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: schoka@mwunix.mitre.org (Andrew M. Schoka) Mr. King writes: >PDF stands for Portable Document Format. It is documented in a book >published by Addison-Wesley Publishing Company and called "Portable >Document Format Reference Manual" and has been available in most >computer-oriented bookstores since June 1993. This standard was designed >and documented by Adobe Systems Incorporated. It is "open" in the sense >that anyone can write PDF files according to this specification and anyone >can read and process files created satisfying this specification without >any permission or licensing from Adobe. PDF forms the basis for Adobe's >Acrobat(Tm) family of products. The name PDF is not trademarked by Adobe. > >Adobe currently "maintains" this standard. Within IEEE's "Guide to the POSIX Open System Environment" open specifications are "Specifications that are maintained by an organization that uses an open, public consensus process to accommodate new technologies and user requirements over time." To what extent does Adobes view fit within that definition? In particular, is there a public consensus process? Should there be? If not could there be? There seems to be an emergence mechanisms for users to make their requirements known (eg, this group as well as others) Andrew M. Schoka MITRE Corporation 703-883-7391 schoka@mitre.org 23-Aug-1995 16:12:33-GMT,2164;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA10731 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:12:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09549; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:00:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09490 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:58:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199508231557.KAA11532@glacier.binc.net> To: Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Problem with 1.0 readers In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 23 Aug 95 09:02:14 -0600. <3A8773B0D1F@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 16:56:46 +0100 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Phil Smith >I have been having a problem with getting Distilled postscript files to >render in 1.0 readers (DOS, Unix). >... >Alert: There was an error reading page 2 near the contents: > An unrecognized token '(cent symbol--which I cannot duplicate in ASCII)' > was found. Having looked at one of your files, I think this is a documented feature to be observed when trying to read a 2.0 encrypted file with a 1.0 Reader. All the strings and streams in your file were encrypted. Encryption was not available in 1.0 so the poor thing just gets confused. If you want to allow 1.0 users to read PDF files, you musn't set any security options. >... >I have called Adobe technical help on this, but they have not offered me >any solutions, except to say that my printer drivers must be screwed up. I think Adobe technical help must be screwed up. The problem is clearly documented in Technical Note #5156, "Updates to the Portable Document Format Reference Manual". (http://www.adobe.com/Support/TechNotes.html) Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 23-Aug-1995 16:13:04-GMT,6694;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA10739 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:13:00 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09269; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:47:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09194 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:43:49 -0500 From: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) Message-Id: <9508231543.AA01052@wuecona.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Problem with 1.0 readers To: JACK@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF Discussion list) In-Reply-To: <3A8773B0D1F@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> from "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" at Aug 23, 95 09:02:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5610 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) > >I have been having a problem with getting Distilled postscript files to >render in 1.0 readers (DOS, Unix). > >I maintain an academic site that disseminates Department publications via >.PDF Because most of the publications are still originally created in >WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS (!?), if I want to use the .PDF writer, I must >bring them into WP6.1 for Windows first. In the WP conversion, unacceptable >changes are made. So what I have decided to do is output the original >WP5.1 files to a PostScript printer (capturing the output to a .ps file) and >then distill. The results are fantastic for 2.0 readers, but 1.0 readers >will not render the files at all. All I get are blank pages, and very >cryptic error messages like: Here is what I do - A. attempt to take the wp5.1 into word6.0 - If works, then use HP LaserJet III PostScript printer driver in Windows to print-to-file for the .ps and then distiller on the .ps . Reason is that this works almost all the time, and produces good viewable .ps files. B. If word6.0 fails to take it correctly (like sometimes the equations malformed, or viewing in word shows "install equation editor", THEN reboot, take the file into WP6.1. Now comes the fun. WP does not have a print-to-file button - I have Lantastic up, so I put a printer on hold, print from WP6.1 to that printer port which is on hold, and from Lantastic, save the printed file. I DO NOT use the WP printer drivers since they have NEVER produced a decent viewable .ps file for me. Sam Rea at U. Toronto has some little programs that fix wp5.1 .ps files but not wp6.1 . So I use the Windows HP III Laserjet printer driver in WP6.1 to get the .ps on disk. Then after the save, use distiller to produce the stuff. I know that there are newer Adobe drivers and sometime I will test them but such is to be said for things that work (and of course it could be unique to my machine and my ATM and ....). I just did this on http://econwpa.wustl.edu/eprints/if/papers/9508/9508001.abs and it is the only way that it worked, including the raw boot into windows so that there was enough resources to do the job. > >Alert: There was an error reading page 2 near the contents: > An unrecognized token '(cent symbol--which I cannot duplicate in ASCII)' > was found. > >On different pages, different unrecognized tokens are found. > >I have tried outputting to hp4.0 postscript and hp2p postscript, with the >same results. For now, I have decided that I'd rather have true output >and sacrifice my DOS and Unix clients, but this problem is very vexing. Try the pdf on the reference above and tell me what happens. Page 3 on this one busts both the reader and exchange 2.0 but ghostview displays the .ps just fine and dandy - similar graph on page 13 which displays fine. > >http://www.wisc.edu/agecon > >then click on DEPARTMENT PUBLICATIONS (FULL TEXT). There are about 55 >.pdf files there. Too many - give an example of a problem - my transfer speed to here is about 5k per second which is OK but not for testing. Else, dump them into ftp://wuecon.wustl.edu/depository and I will be happy to click them up with veiwer or exchange and see what I can find out. Bob P.S. Many of the papers could be posted to the Economics WPA - you can submit just the pdf files. Submission form is available at http://econwpa.wustl.edu/wpasubmit.html > >I would also be more than willing to ship anyone a .ps file (for hp4.0 or >hp2p) if there is a PostScript jockey out there. I offered to do all this >for Adobe technical support people on the phone and I got zilch as a response. > >Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. > > >Jack Solock | Agriculture is the mother and >Taylor-Hibbard Library | nourisher of all other arts: >Department of Agricultural Economics | when agriculture is well >University of Wisconsin-Madison | conducted, all other arts >427 Lorch St. #106 | prosper; when agriculture is >Madison, WI 53706 | neglected, all other arts decay, >(608) 262-9488 | on the land and on the sea. >Jack@agecon.wisc.edu | > | Xenophon--431-354 B.C. >http://www.wisc.edu/agecon | (Economico, V) > U.W. Ag. Econ. Home Page > >gopher://calshp.cals.wisc.edu > click on Agricultural Economics Publica- > tions--U.W. Ag. Econ. Gopher > -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* # Economics Working Paper Archive # # http://econwpa.wustl.edu/wpawelcome.html # # gopher econwpa.wustl.edu # # # # Send a mail message (empty body) # # To: econ-wp@econwpa.wustl.edu # # Subject: get announce # *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Bob Parks Voice: (314) 935-5665 | | Department of Economics, Campus Box 1208 Fax: (314) 935-4156 | | Washington University | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, Missouri 63130-4899 bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu| *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* 23-Aug-1995 16:13:09-GMT,2773;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA10746 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:13:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09395; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:53:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09329 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:51:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:50:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199508231550.KAA04733@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Re: Problem with 1.0 readers Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Jack: Most often this occurs when you invoke any type of security feature. Security options are available in the 2.0 product but not in the 1.0 product. So...if you invoke _any_ security in the doc the 1.0 viewer generally opens up a blank screen. Might this be the reason...or is there something more involved going on? >I have been having a problem with getting Distilled postscript files to >render in 1.0 readers (DOS, Unix). > >I maintain an academic site that disseminates Department publications via >.PDF Because most of the publications are still originally created in >WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS (!?), if I want to use the .PDF writer, I must >bring them into WP6.1 for Windows first. In the WP conversion, unacceptable >changes are made. So what I have decided to do is output the original >WP5.1 files to a PostScript printer (capturing the output to a .ps file) and >then distill. The results are fantastic for 2.0 readers, but 1.0 readers >will not render the files at all. All I get are blank pages, and very >cryptic error messages like: -----stuff deleted +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 23-Aug-1995 16:46:14-GMT,2918;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA11131 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:46:12 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09947; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:42:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09868 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:39:40 -0500 From: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF Discussion list) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:39:15 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Problem with 1.0 readers Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3AB14B8119C@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" Thanks to all who answered my question. I got more help from you in 10 minutes than I did from Adobe in all the time I talked to them. My problem was security. My profs want their papers "secure" (or as secure as I can make them). Of course security does not prevent anyone who really wants to plagarize from doing so. It just discourages people from doing it. Security in .PDF's causes 1.0 readers to choke--period. So I have to make a choice. My choice is to sacrifice some clients (for now--see below!) We want people to plagarize the old fashioned way. Acrobat is supposed to be a print to print system. We want them to have to copy just like a regular print paper would be copied, or use a scanner. I have been informed by a couple of you that a Unix 2.0 reader should be out soon. DOS is problematical, but anyone who is running DOS who doesn't have Windows by now perhaps SHOULD be left out in the cold. ;-) Of course now my clients want to know why Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc., etc., and if .PDF is a proprietary standard of Adobe's or if there are "generic readers" that can read .PDF. Give 'em an inch and they want a mile. Thanks again to all of you. Jack Solock | Agriculture is the mother and Taylor-Hibbard Library | nourisher of all other arts: Department of Agricultural Economics | when agriculture is well University of Wisconsin-Madison | conducted, all other arts 427 Lorch St. #106 | prosper; when agriculture is Madison, WI 53706 | neglected, all other arts decay, (608) 262-9488 | on the land and on the sea. Jack@agecon.wisc.edu | | Xenophon--431-354 B.C. http://www.wisc.edu/agecon | (Economico, V) U.W. Ag. Econ. Home Page gopher://calshp.cals.wisc.edu click on Agricultural Economics Publica- tions--U.W. Ag. Econ. Gopher 23-Aug-1995 17:45:01-GMT,1485;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA12019 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:44:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10267; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:41:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA10217 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:39:29 -0500 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 10:32 PDT From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: JACK@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <3AB14B8119C@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> (JACK@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU) Subject: Re: Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) > Of course now > my clients want to know why Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc., > etc., Ghostscript's PDF interpreter does. :-) > and if .PDF is a proprietary standard of Adobe's or if there are > "generic readers" that can read .PDF. See above. :-) L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 23-Aug-1995 18:16:24-GMT,1366;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA12325 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:16:21 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10500; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:06:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA10418 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:03:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 10:55:59 -0700 From: Carl Orthlieb Message-Id: <9508231755.AA10978@orator.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Carl Orthlieb Acrobat 2.1 (shipped to manufacturing yesterday!) supports Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows NT, Macintosh, and Power Macintosh. We are working on ports of 2.1 to a variety of Unix platforms (including Sun, HP, and SGI) and a port to OS/2. Slowly but surely, we'll get all the biggies. Carl 8^) --- Carl Orthlieb Project Lead, Acrobat Interactive Docs orthlieb@adobe.com Voice: (415) 962-3832 Fax: (415) 961-9704 Adobe Systems Incorporated http://www.adobe.com GCS/E d+ p+ c++(++++) l- u+ e++/-- m s n+ h f g+ w+ t++ r y+(*) 23-Aug-1995 18:25:57-GMT,1637;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA12442 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:25:55 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10651; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:21:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA10598 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:19:49 -0500 From: Wolfgang Roeckelein Message-Id: <9508231818.AA00724@sirius.wi.WHU-Koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 20:18:29 +0200 To: Carl Orthlieb Subject: Re: Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc. Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Wolfgang Roeckelein Hi, >Acrobat 2.1 (shipped to manufacturing yesterday!) supports Windows 3.1, >Windows 95, Windows NT, Macintosh, and Power Macintosh. We are working >on ports of 2.1 to a variety of Unix platforms (including Sun, HP, and >SGI) and a port to OS/2. Great news, when will the various readers be available online (esp. the UNIX one, as the old one is still 1.x)? Wolfgang --- Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Inf. Voice: +49 261 6509 173 Wolfgang Roeckelein Fax: +49 261 6509 179 WHU Koblenz E-Mail: roeckelein@wi.whu-koblenz.de Burgplatz 2 (NeXTmail ok) D-56179 Vallendar WWW: http://www.whu-koblenz.de/~wolfgang/ Germany GCM/B d-- s: a- C++ US+++$ UX+++ P+ L E? W++ N++ w-- O-(++) M+ !V PS++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+ 5? X? R+ tv b++ DI D++ G e+++>++++ h+ r++>% y? (Geek Code V3.x) 23-Aug-1995 19:09:08-GMT,2055;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA13010 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:09:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10968; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:58:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA10895 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:55:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU From: gennari@slac.stanford.edu (l. trindle gennari) Subject: Re: Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc. X-Sender: gennari@popserv.slac.stanford.edu To: Carl Orthlieb , pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gennari@slac.stanford.edu (l. trindle gennari) Are there any plans for AIX? If so, any rough timescale? ltg At 10.55 8/23/95, Carl Orthlieb wrote: >Acrobat 2.1 (shipped to manufacturing yesterday!) supports Windows 3.1, >Windows 95, Windows NT, Macintosh, and Power Macintosh. We are working >on ports of 2.1 to a variety of Unix platforms (including Sun, HP, and >SGI) and a port to OS/2. > >Slowly but surely, we'll get all the biggies. > >Carl 8^) > >--- >Carl Orthlieb Project Lead, Acrobat Interactive Docs >orthlieb@adobe.com Voice: (415) 962-3832 Fax: (415) 961-9704 > >Adobe Systems Incorporated http://www.adobe.com >GCS/E d+ p+ c++(++++) l- u+ e++/-- m s n+ h f g+ w+ t++ r y+(*) ***************************************************************** Technical Publications Department http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/techpubs/home.html Information Technology Analyst gennari@slac.stanford.edu ***************************************************************** 23-Aug-1995 20:23:41-GMT,1913;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA13853 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:23:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11540; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:19:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA11485 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:17:18 -0500 MR-Received: by mta UNHCES; Relayed; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:09:22 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862-1805" Subject: Linking to Thumbnail View To: pdf-l@emrg.com, ext-acrobat@unh.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:09:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E41ZVXHN2S1F X400-MTS-identifier: [;22906132805991/44846@UNHCES] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862-1805" Has anyone out there had experience linking to documents, for which you have already generated thumbnails, and having the thumbnails automatically appear? It seems like there must be a way to do it, but we haven't yet found it! We've tried linking to a view, and setting the view to include thumbnails. We've also tried using bookmarks. Neither has been successful. (Both revert to the viewing mode of the document in which the link was embedded.) In our experience, the thumbnails only appear if the user already had that viewing mode as a default, or manually selects that view after the document has been opened. Does anyone have any clues? 23-Aug-1995 21:36:52-GMT,2925;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA14732 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:36:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12093; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:32:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA12040 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:30:20 -0500 Message-Id: Date: 23 Aug 1995 14:30:19 U From: "Dedrick Howard" Subject: Re: Linking to Thumbnail Vie To: "Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862-" , pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Dedrick Howard" Reply to: RE>Linking to Thumbnail View Answer (I think): in Exchange, under File menu, Document Info, Open: you select Show Thumbnails and Page. Extra: You also specify there which page to open to. By default this is page 1. So what if you want to link to a different page? I asked Adobe and they had not implemented a way to do that (or so said the support people I spoke with). That is, whatever page is set as the "Open" page, when a document is the target of a link from another document then it opens up at the predefined page. Because of this limitation, we combined all our 7 volumes of documentation (3500 pages) into a single 20Mb PDF file. This allowed us to link from any page in the set to any other page. But, of course, this makes distribution via floppy disks impractical and for updates we will need to replace the entire PDF file. However, we're in the process of moving our Word for Mac source files to FrameMaker 5. It lets you do the hyperlinking in the source document, save it out as a suitable-for-PDF PostScript file which then, of course, can be distilled. What's more, you are able to overcome the limitation of only being allowed to link to one page in other PDF documents. So we'll be able to break up our 20Mb file in future releases. -------------------------------------- Date: 8/23/95 1:40 PM To: Dedrick Howard From: Barbara Wright Eaton (603)862- Has anyone out there had experience linking to documents, for which you have already generated thumbnails, and having the thumbnails automatically appear? It seems like there must be a way to do it, but we haven't yet found it! We've tried linking to a view, and setting the view to include thumbnails. We've also tried using bookmarks. Neither has been successful. (Both revert to the viewing mode of the document in which the link was embedded.) In our experience, the thumbnails only appear if the user already had that viewing mode as a default, or manually selects that view after the document has been opened. Does anyone have any clues? 23-Aug-1995 22:04:48-GMT,3070;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA14976 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:04:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12359; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:02:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12311 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:00:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:58:58 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9508232158.AA19729@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: EATON@a1.unh.edu, pdf-l@emrg.com, dedrick_howard@qmgate.dsccc.com Subject: Re: Linking to Thumbnail Vie Cc: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 2167 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) File |Document Info | Open is where you set the view the pdf file should be opened in. You can select from Page Only, Bookmarks and Page, Thumbnails and Page or Full Screen. From this dialog, you can also set the page to open at. This dialog controls the Open Action of the pdf file. These things are useful for controlling what will happen when the user opens the pdf file from the File | Open menu. When files are opened implicitly by the viewer (as when following a cross-document link), they are opened to the page which was specified at the time the cross-document link was created. That last line is important enough to repeat once again: ... they are opend to the page which was specified at the time the cross-document link was created. Many people use the link dialog box to set up cross-doc links incorrectly. Here is the correct way to set up a cross-document link so that when the link is followed, it opens up the target document AT SOME PAGE OTHER THAN ONE: In Exchange: 1. Open the target document to the page you want the link to go to. 2. Open the document you want to put the link into. At this point, the source doc is the active one, the target doc is inactive. 3. Select the link tool by clicking on the link icon on the toolbar or selecting Tools | Link from the menu bar. (If you hold down the Option/Control key, the link tool will persist after you create the link.) 4. Drag out the link rectangle with the link tool. 5. Leave the Action Type Go To View. DO NOT change it to Open File. If you do, you'll always go to the first page of the target file. 6. Click in the target file's window, thereby telling Exchange what view you want the link to go to. 7. Click the Set Link button in the Create Link dialog box. 8. Save the changes to the source file and you're done. Of course, you can manually open the file and go to the desired page once the Create Link dialog box is displayed. My method above is just one way to get there. There is no limitation in Exchange on being able to link only to one page in another PDF file. (I have forwarded this and other pertinent "unknown" information on to the Adobe Tech Support folks.) Mark 23-Aug-1995 22:40:28-GMT,3447;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA15320 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:40:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12648; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:37:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12582 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:34:16 -0500 Message-Id: Date: 23 Aug 1995 15:32:48 U From: "Dedrick Howard" Subject: Re: Linking to Thumbnail Vi To: "Mark Donohoe" , pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Dedrick Howard" Reply to: RE>>Linking to Thumbnail Vie Thanks for the enlightenment. It did seem strange to me that Frame was able achieve a level of linking greater than Acrobat, but I assumed they simply had newer PDF information from Adobe which had not yet made it into an Acrobat release. (Now I know who to call.) -------------------------------------- Date: 8/23/95 3:04 PM To: Dedrick Howard From: Mark Donohoe File |Document Info | Open is where you set the view the pdf file should be opened in. You can select from Page Only, Bookmarks and Page, Thumbnails and Page or Full Screen. From this dialog, you can also set the page to open at. This dialog controls the Open Action of the pdf file. These things are useful for controlling what will happen when the user opens the pdf file from the File | Open menu. When files are opened implicitly by the viewer (as when following a cross-document link), they are opened to the page which was specified at the time the cross-document link was created. That last line is important enough to repeat once again: ... they are opend to the page which was specified at the time the cross-document link was created. Many people use the link dialog box to set up cross-doc links incorrectly. Here is the correct way to set up a cross-document link so that when the link is followed, it opens up the target document AT SOME PAGE OTHER THAN ONE: In Exchange: 1. Open the target document to the page you want the link to go to. 2. Open the document you want to put the link into. At this point, the source doc is the active one, the target doc is inactive. 3. Select the link tool by clicking on the link icon on the toolbar or selecting Tools | Link from the menu bar. (If you hold down the Option/Control key, the link tool will persist after you create the link.) 4. Drag out the link rectangle with the link tool. 5. Leave the Action Type Go To View. DO NOT change it to Open File. If you do, you'll always go to the first page of the target file. 6. Click in the target file's window, thereby telling Exchange what view you want the link to go to. 7. Click the Set Link button in the Create Link dialog box. 8. Save the changes to the source file and you're done. Of course, you can manually open the file and go to the desired page once the Create Link dialog box is displayed. My method above is just one way to get there. There is no limitation in Exchange on being able to link only to one page in another PDF file. (I have forwarded this and other pertinent "unknown" information on to the Adobe Tech Support folks.) Mark 24-Aug-1995 0:34:26-GMT,2552;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA16267 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:34:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13450; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:32:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA13393 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:29:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:28:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199508240028.UAA04837@freenet.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: ANOTHER PROBLEM Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) After being a real Acrobat advocat around my colleagues, I'm starting to have some sinking feelings. Aside from the screen font problems mentioned in a recent posting (I note that even some of the Adobe pdf files have very marginal screen fonts) I now have a peculiar problem with Distiller. While it worked yesterday, today when I try to run it (on a Power Mac 7100) I get the message "Acrobat Distiller could not open because psSHLIB could not be found". What is psSHLIB? I've never heard of it. Tried to reinstall Distiller and still get the same message. The only thing that I have done since my last use of Distiller (two days ago) was to install Fonts via Exchange as suggested by a reply to another query to this list. Anyone have a good idea what is wrong and how it can be fixed. Next, I was sent a colour graphic loaded from a Kodak CD into Correl Draw and made into a pdf file from a Windows machine (using Distiller). The coulour is really faded and totally unacceptable, yet looks good on the Windows machine. Finally I was sent on the network a couple of pdf files created on a Windows machine. To my surprise they do not open by double clicking on the Mac side. I had to load reader first. This is not a real serious problem but unexpected, especially when I have been touting the total cross-platform compatability of acrobat files. I wonder, will pdf files created on the Mac side open with a double click on Windows machines? All in all a discouraging day, especially when this is the day when pieces should have started to fall into place --seamlessly! I wonder, John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 24-Aug-1995 1:01:50-GMT,2028;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA17148 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:01:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13633; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:59:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA13574 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:57:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:56:02 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9508240056.AA20424@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, af763@freenet.carleton.ca Subject: Re: ANOTHER PROBLEM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 1187 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Missing psSHLIB when launching Distiller: Set your memory partition to a larger value for Distiller and the problem should go away. You can do this by selecting the Distiller icon in the Finder and doing a Get Info on it, then put a larger value in the memory area. (Trust me, you don't want to hear the whole story.) I suspect the addition of extra fonts to your system is consuming more memory as Distiller is launched. Double click behavior is determined by the creator piece of the file. With ResEdit, you can modify the File Information. Set the fields like this: Type: TEXT Creator: CARO The issue arises when files are moved between operating systems. The Mac way of determining file owner is pretty cool, but it isn't mirrored on unix or DOS. For Windows, the double click behavior is determined by an associations database maintained by File Manager. When Exchange or Reader is installed, the .pdf extension is set up to cause Exchange or Reader to be launched when pdf files are double-clicked. If you install both applications, the last one installed will be the one to get launched. I can't help with your color graphic problem, that's not my area of expertise. Mark 24-Aug-1995 1:45:06-GMT,1609;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA17477 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:45:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13923; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:43:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA13847 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:40:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9508240139.AA0068@mailgw1.notes.scea.sony.com> To: "John V Matthews Jr." Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 23 Aug 95 18:42:20 EDT Subject: Re: ANOTHER PROBLEM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bob Marsh Chalk this one up to the Mac; it's not Adobe's fault that there is no convenient way to add Mac resource forks to DOS/Windows files. Thank Apple for this problem. And, it's a problem for all of us publishing hybrid CDs from Windows machines. >Finally I was sent on the network a couple of pdf files created on a >Windows machine. To my surprise they do not open by double clicking on >the Mac side. I had to load reader first. This is not a real serious >problem but unexpected, especially when I have been touting the total >cross-platform compatability of acrobat files. I wonder, will pdf files >created on the Mac side open with a double click on Windows machines? Bob Marsh Sony Electronic Publishing, Co. 24-Aug-1995 14:07:03-GMT,3114;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA21680 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:06:56 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA16606; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:40:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA16536 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:35:30 -0500 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 09:23:17 EST Message-Id: <9507248092.AA809282115@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: schoka@mwunix.mitre.org (Andrew M. Schoka), acrobat@blueworld.com Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com, miker@sst.ncsl.nist.gov Subject: Re[2]: PDF as an open specification (repost) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carmelj.atc@gao.gov There was work done through NIST to make PDDF (Portable Document Delivery Format) which would be based on PDF a Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS), but from what I understand NIST has run into a financial crisis in terms of FIPS in general and the effort is on hold till funds become available. Nonetheless, the the Blue Ribbon Panel Report stated... "A published open format is defined here as a document that contains the full format specification and is accessible to the public at a reasonable cost. This document shall enable the implementation of products based on the format specification without royaly to the author(s) or providing organization. An extensible open format also allows third party vendors to create value-added products with competitive advantages." Joe Mr. King writes: >PDF stands for Portable Document Format. It is documented in a book >published by Addison-Wesley Publishing Company and called "Portable >Document Format Reference Manual" and has been available in most >computer-oriented bookstores since June 1993. This standard was designed >and documented by Adobe Systems Incorporated. It is "open" in the sense >that anyone can write PDF files according to this specification and anyone >can read and process files created satisfying this specification without >any permission or licensing from Adobe. PDF forms the basis for Adobe's >Acrobat(Tm) family of products. The name PDF is not trademarked by Adobe. > >Adobe currently "maintains" this standard. Within IEEE's "Guide to the POSIX Open System Environment" open specifications are "Specifications that are maintained by an organization that uses an open, public consensus process to accommodate new technologies and user requirements over time." To what extent does Adobes view fit within that definition? In particular, is there a public consensus process? Should there be? If not could there be? There seems to be an emergence mechanisms for users to make their requirements known (eg, this group as well as others) Andrew M. Schoka MITRE Corporation 703-883-7391 schoka@mitre.org 24-Aug-1995 14:41:42-GMT,1200;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA22027 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:41:40 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16893; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:12:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA16840 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:10:15 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:17:26 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: V. 2.1 Readers now available Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss The version 2.1 Readers are now available for downloading ---> http://www.adobe.com/Software.html ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 Email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 24-Aug-1995 16:00:36-GMT,1084;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA22872 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:00:33 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18002; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:30:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA17930 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:25:51 -0500 From: Daniel Louie To: listserv Subject: Acrobat Distiller Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 11:22:00 edt Message-Id: <303C9961@eei-alex.com> Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Daniel Louie I just signed onto this list, so if this has already been covered, apologies in advance. I received a PS file from Framemaker on a PC and am using Acrobat on a Mac. When the Distilling process is completed, it creates a duplicate of every page. Does anyone know what's causing this? 24-Aug-1995 16:25:17-GMT,1465;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA23165 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:25:14 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18308; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:18:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA18224 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:11:33 -0500 From: mcjones@pa.dec.com Message-Id: <9508241600.AA04014@colt.pa.dec.com> To: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" Cc: mcjones@pa.dec.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Problem with 1.0 readers In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 23 Aug 1995 23:50:40 -0500 from pdf-l@emrg.com <199508240450.XAA14516@grandcanyon.binc.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 09:00:00 -0700 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mcjones@pa.dec.com Jack, You say: We want people to plagarize the old fashioned way. Acrobat is supposed to be a print to print system. We want them to have to copy just like a regular print paper would be copied, or use a scanner. Unless you disable printing in the Acrobat documents, plagiarists will be able to use a new method: printing to a PostScript file, then feeding that file to Distiller, resulting in an essentially identical document with security turned off. Paul McJones mcjones@pa.dec.com 24-Aug-1995 16:35:10-GMT,3132;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA23289 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 10:35:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18470; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:31:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA18410 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:28:52 -0500 From: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" To: mcjones@pa.dec.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:24:24 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Problem with 1.0 readers Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3C2D52C6BB9@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" To: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" Cc: mcjones@pa.dec.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Problem with 1.0 readers Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 09:00:00 -0700 From: mcjones@pa.dec.com Jack, You say: We want people to plagarize the old fashioned way. Acrobat is supposed to be a print to print system. We want them to have to copy just like a regular print paper would be copied, or use a scanner. Unless you disable printing in the Acrobat documents, plagiarists will be able to use a new method: printing to a PostScript file, then feeding that file to Distiller, resulting in an essentially identical document with security turned off. Paul McJones mcjones@pa.dec.com =============================================================================== That's right, Paul and listserv members. I had a long e-discussion with Bob Parks (Econ Working Paper Archive--Wash. Univ. at St. L.) about this yesterday. This assumes that readers have the Distiller, which Adobe doesn't give out for free. However, Bob showed me other ways that security could be breached anyway. Bottom line is that the best security against plagarism is to post papers all over the place and publicize the heck out of them, so everybody knows they are on the net. Plagarists will be immediately recognizable then because everyone will have seen the papers. Jack Solock | Agriculture is the mother and Taylor-Hibbard Library | nourisher of all other arts: Department of Agricultural Economics | when agriculture is well University of Wisconsin-Madison | conducted, all other arts 427 Lorch St. #106 | prosper; when agriculture is Madison, WI 53706 | neglected, all other arts decay, (608) 262-9488 | on the land and on the sea. Jack@agecon.wisc.edu | | Xenophon--431-354 B.C. http://www.wisc.edu/agecon | (Economico, V) U.W. Ag. Econ. Home Page gopher://calshp.cals.wisc.edu click on Agricultural Economics Publica- tions--U.W. Ag. Econ. Gopher 24-Aug-1995 23:16:40-GMT,1135;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA27348 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:16:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA20126; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:58:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA20070 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:55:08 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 18:02:00 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: NEW URL!> V. 2.1 Readers now available Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss >>--QUOTING all or part of [*my*] previous message---> > >The version 2.1 Readers are now available for downloading ---> >http://www.adobe.com/Software.html Folks, lemme save you all one 'click' -- the free v. 2.1 Readers have been moved to: NEW URL: http://www.adobe.com/Software/Acrobat/ Rgds ~ Kurt 25-Aug-1995 1:15:40-GMT,1697;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA28083 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:15:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA20803; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:13:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA20725 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:10:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199508250121.SAA13987@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: netquest@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:58:04 -0700 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: netquest@unix.infoserve.net (Tor Rognmo) Subject: Reader 2.1 - getting it on diskette Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netquest@unix.infoserve.net (Tor Rognmo) >>The version 2.1 Readers are now available for downloading ---> >>http://www.adobe.com/Software.html Got it. Now a tip for those of you who distribute electronic catalogs in pdf format and want to include this new reader on disk. The Windows version of the 2.1 reader is about 100,000 bytes bigger than the standard 1.44 disk. But if you compress it with pkzip 204g it will just squeek onto the disk, with about 17 bytes clearance. Not quite as convenient as the 2.0 reader which could be installed directly from a diskette, but better than having to burn the darn thing to a CD... Tor Rognmo Netquest Communications http://www.nq.com/netquest/ 323-1873 Spyglass Place, Vancouver, B.C. V5Z 4G6 CANADA Fax: (604) 873-9397 E-mail: netquest@unix.infoserve.net 25-Aug-1995 1:52:53-GMT,1673;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA28250 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:52:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA21103; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:51:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA21043 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:48:21 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:55:15 -0500 To: netquest@unix.infoserve.net, pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 - getting it on diskette Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kurt Foss >>>--QUOTING all or part of previous message--->> >Now a tip for those of you who distribute electronic catalogs in pdf format >and want to include this new reader on disk. The Windows version of the 2.1 >reader is about 100,000 bytes bigger than the standard 1.44 disk. But if you >compress it with pkzip 204g it will just squeek onto the disk, with about 17 >bytes clearance. Not quite as convenient as the 2.0 reader which could be >installed directly from a diskette, but better than having to burn the darn >thing to a CD... >--- Tor, Then again, if you want folks on more than *one* platform to view your catalog via a provided Reader, the CD is looking pretty good! So you may as well add some video clips, weblinks, etc to the info in the PDF files and make use of the spacious platter ... ~ Kurt 25-Aug-1995 7:23:51-GMT,3394;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA00602 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 01:23:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA22866; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:20:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA22575 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:12:20 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 24 Aug 1995 16:48:43 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: X-PLATFORM SCREEN FONTS- To: "John V Matthews Jr." , pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>X-PLATFORM SCREEN FONTS:PROBLEMS >We are still having problems getting good screen font presentation on our >pdf files that will eventually be put on a CD. Here are the specs and >desirables for our project. If anyone has a solution, I would be >interested in hearing about it ASAP, including explicit instructions for >both of the creating platforms if there are certain tricks unique to each. > >1. Documents that will become pdf files are being created on two >platforms (Mac and Windows 3.1). Most are created in Quark Express using >each platforms version. > >2. Our aim is to have good looking text on screen and for that will >sacrifice somewhat on the printed side, i.e. we have opted not to use >serif fonts because the problem with reading them on screen and the fact >that our project is designed to be used by a user with a basic 640x480 256 >colour machine. At the same time we do not want to do a lot of fine >tuning in Quark (e.g., changing tracking) in order to improve screen >resolution, especially if this will make printed output look bad. > >3. The cd on which the files will be put will be freely distributed (it >is a scientific project), but we anticipate it may be bundled with a >printed publication that will be sold. Thus we need fonts that we can >distribute leagally with no licence fee. > >4. We can make no assumptions about the fonts on any of the target machines. > >5. Text created in Quark will have a mixture of text, line work and >colour+halftones in single or double column. Point size may be as small >as 7 for superscripts but body text will be in bold and normal 10, 12 pt. > >Any advice would sure be appreciated. We have people working on Quark >files from both sides and are really becoming discouraged when we look at >the screen presentation of files created on the other platform, decebders >dropped, characters run together etc. Most problems disappear at >magnifications >150% but that is not the mag at which the files will be read. For best looking on-screen fonts use 10 and 12 point sizes. It should look no different in QuarkXPress (note spelling, no 'Express' and it is one word :-) than in Acrobat. Make sure to use the right PostScript driver/acrobat ppd for proper output. Include all fonts in your document. You can't distribute fonts without paying for them. Remember that at anysize other than 100% ATM may be scaling the fonts to fit right. Most users should have 10 and 12 point installed on the basics (Courier, Helvetica, Times, and Symbol). Brian 25-Aug-1995 7:24:15-GMT,5946;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA00607 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 01:24:12 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA22861; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:19:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA22576 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:12:21 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 24 Aug 1995 16:44:33 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: WHAT GOES ON CD? To: "John V Matthews Jr." , "pdf-l" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>WHAT GOES ON CD? >Questions: > >1. I know that the Windows and Mac versions of the Acrobat Reader should >be on each CD, but what else. Do we include the limited ATM and the fonts >as well, and what instructions do we give the user about downloading the >Reader and fonts BEFORE firing up the CD presentation. I know on the mac >side that dropping the limited ATM in the system folder, if another >version of ATM is already there will cause an error on rebooting. Yet we >will have users who do not even know if they have ATM in theor machine, >and they will know virtually nothing about fonts or installing them. So >we must give simple instructions that are more or less bomb-proof. If all you are using are PDF files go to the Adobe site and get the new 2.1 versions of the Readers for Mac and Windows. They are FREE to distribute with your product. DO NOT GIVE OUT ATM. One, it is illegal the way you described. Two, ATM is included and installed with Reader. Three. the Mac problems were fixed by a newer installer from Adobe. >2. Many users are reluctant to put anything on their Hard Drive, even >though this is a common first step with commercial CDs. Can we avoid >downloading anything to the users HD. Will the reader run FROM THE CD? >How about the fonts? If they are embedded in the pdf files that we are >presenting, does the CD user need to download any fonts at all? You can set up the Mac Reader and possible the new 2.1 Windows one to use the Reader and ATM directly, but performance will suffer. Embed all of your fonts to solve your problems. You can't distribute the fonts any other way without paying for them. >3. File organization. Our users will be looking at several linked pdf >files then possibly going back to Director (quitting Acrobat takes one >back to Director in the Mac). Does this imply any special arrangement of >the pdf files on the CD, i.e., all in the same folder with the Reader, not >in any folder etc. etc. I am especially concerned about the path problems >on the Windows side. What is the best way to organize the files on the CD >so the Windows user has no problems--I already know that they all must >have 8.3 type file names. Quitting Acrobat does not take one to Director on a Mac. Quitting will take them to the last application they were in, maybe Director, but maybe the Finder, etc... The user can just click on the application menu in the upper right corner of the screen and select Director, or they can click on the Director Window in the background. Make sure you name all of your files properly before linking them. Even better, have your CD-ROM hard drive all configured with proper name and folder names. Put the files where they should go and build the links. >4. Related to the above questions: Just what should we put on the CD in >order to allow the Windows and Mac users to use the pdf files and should >everything (both versions of the reader etc.) be in the same folder or >directory? > >I am sure there must be many users out there who have had similar >problems. If you have written instructions for your users, I would sure >like to see a copy of that text. We want to keep things as simple as >possible for the end user, yet we never want them to get a "pathname not >found" or "file not found" error. Here are some quick directions. We make a lot of cross-platform CD-ROM productions for clients and this is the best way we have found. 1) Do all of the following on a Mac. This isn't meant to be a 'religious' issue. Moving files around and creating a cross-platform disk really needs to be done on the top end machine. By top-end I mean that DOS doesn't support anything beyond file naming, where-as the Mac has icons, file types/creators. 2) Take a hard drive and format it with about a 650 megabyte partition. Use Hard Disk Tool Kit for the Mac and choose a block size that is an even number. ISO 9660 needs even block sizes. 3) Decide if you want MS-DOS users to see Mac only files and vice versa. To allow all files to be viewed by everyone, use the 8.3 naming convention with all UPPERCASE file names. Lower case names will only be seen by Mac users (this is based on the system done using the QuickTopix CD-ROM mastering software. Example: Below is the disk and folder hierarchy CDROM ACROBAT MAC ACROREAD.MAC WINDOWS ACROREAD.EXE README.TXT STUFF Your Director and Acrobat files properly set up 4) Create your links now and test everything. When fine go to step 5 5) Have someone who is Macintosh literate make usre things look like they should. Icons, names, etc... Have a Windows user look over it in the same way. Rebuild the Mac 'desktop'. Defragment the hard disk using Norton Utilities Speed Doubler to optimiaze for CD-ROM. 6) Check for viruses (luckily the Mac has only a few known viruses, none are destructive. DOS/Windows has about 50 new viruses (some very destructive) that appear EVERY DAY. Another reason why is it safer to use the Mac. 7) Make the mixed mode disk and test on both systems. Good luck, Brian 25-Aug-1995 7:24:30-GMT,1710;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA00612 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 01:24:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA22863; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:19:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA22611 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 24 Aug 1995 16:57:21 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: Adobe doesn't support O To: JACK@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU, "L. Peter Deutsch" Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>>Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc. In Reader 2.1 Adobe runs in 16-bit mode on Windows 95, NT and OS/2. Distiller has run on those platforms for a while. Brian -------------------------------------- Date: 8/23/95 12:45 PM To: Brian Bezanson From: L. Peter Deutsch > Of course now > my clients want to know why Adobe doesn't support OS/2, Windows NT, etc., > etc., Ghostscript's PDF interpreter does. :-) > and if .PDF is a proprietary standard of Adobe's or if there are > "generic readers" that can read .PDF. See above. :-) L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 25-Aug-1995 7:24:43-GMT,3416;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA00617 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 01:24:41 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA22859; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:19:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA22582 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:12:33 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 24 Aug 1995 16:09:14 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: ANOTHER PROBLEM To: "Bob Marsh" , "John V Matthews Jr." Cc: "pdf-l" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>>ANOTHER PROBLEM >>Finally I was sent on the network a couple of pdf files created on a >>Windows machine. To my surprise they do not open by double clicking on >>the Mac side. I had to load reader first. This is not a real serious >>problem but unexpected, especially when I have been touting the total >>cross-platform compatability of acrobat files. I wonder, will pdf files >>created on the Mac side open with a double click on Windows machines? >Chalk this one up to the Mac; it's not Adobe's fault that there is no >convenient way to add Mac resource forks to DOS/Windows files. >Thank Apple for this problem. And, it's a problem for all of us >publishing hybrid CDs from Windows machines. > >Bob Marsh >Sony Electronic Publishing, Co. Bob's wrong on this one. Under Windows everything is controlled by the file manager and the file extension. This is nice because it works as long as the extension is there. It is also bad because it is a limitation of DOS/Windows. Windows 95 will have problems because people can leave off the extension. The Mac never used extensions because file names could be 32 characters and of no specific 8.3 convention. The Mac used file types and creators to say which application created the file. Files that are transfered among systems can loose this information. Note, this is NOT RESOURCE FORK INFORMATION as Bob mentioned. There are two solutions. The first is that System 7.5 comes with system software called "Mac Easy Open". When I file is double-clicked on and the creator application can't be found, Mac Easy Open will ask the user to locate the program to open the file. It will note the current file type and any extensions. Future files will automatically be treated this way. The second and best solution is to master your mixed mode cd-roms from the Macintosh. Please make a mixed mode disk, sometimes called hybrid. This is a base ISO-9660 disk with Mac extensions. This way the file type and creator are retained, along with icons, and other Mac niceties. As for Bob's definite favoring of Windows, I would recommend all mastering is done on the Mac. Then you have no problems and things will get done faster because the Mac is inherantly easier to use. If you're serious about cross-platform then it means you need a Mac to test anyway, plus you probably are using cross-platform multimedia tools which all originated on the Mac and run better/faster on that platform (Photoshop, Director, Illustrator, QuickTime). Brian 25-Aug-1995 18:55:40-GMT,4560;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA05272 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:55:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA25390; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:55:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA25307 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:50:52 -0500 From: jbeverly@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 11:49:27 PST Message-Id: <9507258093.AA809376704@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: "Brian Bezanson" , af763@freenet.carleton.ca, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: X-PLATFORM SCREEN FONTS- Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk Be sure to use Distiller, not PDFWriter when creating your docs from QuarkXPress. I'd suggest checking one or two of the PDF files you already have that are unacceptable. Go to the "File" menu and select "Document Info/Fonts". Click on "List all Fonts" in the bottom left hand corner of the font usage window. Under "Type" in the font usage window, see if any of your document fonts are listed as "Type 3". If so, this would explain poor onscreen display. Also, try highlighting some of the ugly text with the text select tool. If you can't highlight it, the text may actually be a graphic (longer shot than the first possibility). If you *are* using Distiller, and you are getting Type 3 fonts, check which platform you created the guilty PDF file from, pass on the process used to create the PDF, and we can give you the necessary steps to get the correct output from your postscript driver. I hope this helps. Thanks to Brian for the correct usage of QuarkXPress ;-) Jamie Beverly _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: X-PLATFORM SCREEN FONTS- From: "Brian Bezanson" at cc_smtp Date: 08/25/95 12:19 AM Re: RE>X-PLATFORM SCREEN FONTS:PROBLEMS >We are still having problems getting good screen font presentation on our >pdf files that will eventually be put on a CD. Here are the specs and >desirables for our project. If anyone has a solution, I would be >interested in hearing about it ASAP, including explicit instructions for >both of the creating platforms if there are certain tricks unique to each. > >1. Documents that will become pdf files are being created on two >platforms (Mac and Windows 3.1). Most are created in Quark Express using >each platforms version. > >2. Our aim is to have good looking text on screen and for that will >sacrifice somewhat on the printed side, i.e. we have opted not to use >serif fonts because the problem with reading them on screen and the fact >that our project is designed to be used by a user with a basic 640x480 256 >colour machine. At the same time we do not want to do a lot of fine >tuning in Quark (e.g., changing tracking) in order to improve screen >resolution, especially if this will make printed output look bad. > >3. The cd on which the files will be put will be freely distributed (it >is a scientific project), but we anticipate it may be bundled with a >printed publication that will be sold. Thus we need fonts that we can >distribute leagally with no licence fee. > >4. We can make no assumptions about the fonts on any of the target machines. > >5. Text created in Quark will have a mixture of text, line work and >colour+halftones in single or double column. Point size may be as small >as 7 for superscripts but body text will be in bold and normal 10, 12 pt. > >Any advice would sure be appreciated. We have people working on Quark >files from both sides and are really becoming discouraged when we look at >the screen presentation of files created on the other platform, decebders >dropped, characters run together etc. Most problems disappear at >magnifications >150% but that is not the mag at which the files will be read. For best looking on-screen fonts use 10 and 12 point sizes. It should look no different in QuarkXPress (note spelling, no 'Express' and it is one word :-) than in Acrobat. Make sure to use the right PostScript driver/acrobat ppd for proper output. Include all fonts in your document. You can't distribute fonts without paying for them. Remember that at anysize other than 100% ATM may be scaling the fonts to fit right. Most users should have 10 and 12 point installed on the basics (Courier, Helvetica, Times, and Symbol). Brian 25-Aug-1995 19:13:20-GMT,2271;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA05453 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:13:18 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25566; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:13:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25508 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:10:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:10:38 +0200 Message-Id: <199508251910.VAA25757@gtrnews.argus.co.za> X-Sender: dme@164.88.11.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com From: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) Subject: Weightlifting "Hardgainer" FAQ Proofreading Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for proofreaders for this file. If anyone had trouble accessing the original file using Netscape, the PDF is now available from (The file name could have changed to faq03.pdf by the time you read this.) http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~rlmCCS/faq02.pdf as well as using anonymous FTP from "apollo.is.co.za" by typing user anonymous cd spool/acrobat bin get faq03.pdf quit If anyone is interested in reading it, it is 774119 bytes long. Any technical suggestions, bugs, problems, typos, bad grammar, incorrect information, or anything else that needs to be changed, please e-mail me directly at dme@star.argus.co.za I am hoping to have the file usable on all platforms, paper sizes, etc. (The page size is 210mm x 279mm (8.25" x 11"). There aren't enough pictures in the file yet, so any comments, suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. I would also be keen to hear whether the file can be accessed and viewed by people using Windows 95 software. Thanks to you all! Donn Edwards (dme@star.argus.co.za) Media Software Disributors, Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone +27-11-633-2706 06h30 to 15h00 GMT (08h30 to 17h00 local time) Try our sister company's experimental WWW pages (SA news, daily): http://www.independent.co.za/ Also try: http://www.is.co.za/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25-Aug-1995 19:25:21-GMT,1310;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA05550 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:25:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25797; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:25:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25681 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:20:50 -0500 From: jbeverly@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 12:19:23 PST Message-Id: <9507258093.AA809378504@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: WHAT GOES ON CD? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: WHAT GOES ON CD? From: "Brian Bezanson" at cc_smtp Date: 08/25/95 12:19 AM Regarding CD Publishing; If you plan to create an index of PDF files for the CD with Catalog, Adobe announced search for CD's at the end of the Acrobat 2.1 announcement. The numero uno feature of this product (IMO) is the automatic addition of your index. The step of User adding the index manually may seem small, but has an amazingly high failure/difficulty ratio. Jamie Beverly 25-Aug-1995 23:52:31-GMT,2264;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA07941 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 17:52:29 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA26861; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 18:52:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA26796 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 18:47:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:47:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199508252347.TAA25663@freenet.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY! Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) At the risk of putting many of you to sleep, I will mention a valuable lesson I learned today re pdf files that will be going on CD. I use Easy CD Pro, and because I want Mac type file names and icons for my Mac files, I check the ISO override box. But I am religious in keeping 8.3 file names for everything that must be read from the Windows side, and this includes many files created on the Mac and shared on the CD. The pdf files are in this category so I have been careful to stick to 8.3 names for them as well. But I have not been careful about upper/lower case. So today I wrote properly named 8.3 pdf files to the CD only to find that they would not open when seen from the Windows side, even though the file names there looked just like others that did work. After some looking I noticed that the pdf files that worked were written to the CD as UPPERCASE 8.3 names. The ones written as lowercase or mixed names did not work, even though when viewed from the Windows side they looked no different from the ones written to the CD in all UPPERCASE. I am sure if I had not had the ISO override box checked, Easy CD Pro would have caught the error or automatically changed the file names to upper case. Hope this experience helps someone out there. John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 27-Aug-1995 1:46:33-GMT,3597;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA15147 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 19:46:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA32468; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:46:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA32367 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:41:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:41:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199508270141.UAA16434@glacier.binc.net> X-Sender: kwhitehouse@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: kwhitehouse@emrg.com (Kendall Whitehouse) Subject: re: ANOTHER PROBLEM Cc: af763@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: kwhitehouse@emrg.com (Kendall Whitehouse) [. . .] >Finally I was sent on the network a couple of pdf files created on a >Windows machine. To my surprise they do not open by double clicking on >the Mac side. I had to load reader first. This is not a real serious >problem but unexpected, especially when I have been touting the total >cross-platform compatability of acrobat files. I wonder, will pdf files >created on the Mac side open with a double click on Windows machines? The issue here is not with PDF (which *is* portable across these platforms) but with the Mac and DOS operating systems, which have different file format characteristics. DOS files only consist of the data in the file, while Macintosh files can include a second component -- known as a "Resource Fork" -- that contains information about the type of file, the application that created it, and other characteristics. When a DOS file is transferred to the Mac, it doesn't include this additional information for which the DOS file format has no representation. There is, however, a simple solution to your problem if you have a copy of Apple's PC Exchange (which I believe -- someone correct me if I'm wrong about this -- is now included with the Mac operating system). You can configure PC Exchange to recognize the file type and creator based on the file's extension (which is what DOS does). So if your Acrobat files have the extension .pdf (which they should), you'll have a double-clickable file when you transfer the PDF file from DOS (or Unix or whatever) to your Mac. To configure PC Exchange to do this: - Double-click on PC Exchange in Control Panels. - Click the "Add..." button. - For the "DOS Suffix" enter .PDF - Browse to select the application to launch (Acrobat Reader or Exchange). - For the "Document Type" select the PDF icon. - Click OK and then close the PC Exchange Window and you're done. Now a file with the extension PDF will display the proper Mac icon and be double-clickable to launch your Acrobat viewer. (The only remaining question is why doesn't Apple ship PC Exchange already configured to handle PDF files? Maybe someone from Adobe should have a chat with their friends over in Cupertino). :Kendall -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E KWhitehouse@emrg.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 28-Aug-1995 13:39:24-GMT,1351;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA24860 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:39:21 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA06412; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:23:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA06335 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:13:45 -0500 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 09:59:48 EST Message-Id: <9507288096.AA809626517@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: Daniel Louie , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Acrobat Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov You may want to check in the PostScript file to see if the phrase "/#copies 2 def" appears. Maybe the person who created the PS file accidently had number of copies left on when they created the file. Hope this helps. Joe I just signed onto this list, so if this has already been covered, apologies in advance. I received a PS file from Framemaker on a PC and am using Acrobat on a Mac. When the Distilling process is completed, it creates a duplicate of every page. Does anyone know what's causing this? 28-Aug-1995 15:15:58-GMT,1327;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA25671 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:15:56 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA06965; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:31:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06818 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:28:13 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 08:23:51 PST Message-Id: <9507288096.AA809620205@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat Distiller Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com What happens if you download the PS file to a printer? Do you get two copies of each page? ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Acrobat Distiller Author: Daniel Louie at cc_smtp5 Date: 8/24/95 11:22 AM I just signed onto this list, so if this has already been covered, apologies in advance. I received a PS file from Framemaker on a PC and am using Acrobat on a Mac. When the Distilling process is completed, it creates a duplicate of every page. Does anyone know what's causing this? 28-Aug-1995 16:18:01-GMT,3452;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA26399 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:17:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07670; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:59:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07611 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:58:42 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 28 Aug 1995 10:55:55 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: ANOTHER PROBLEM To: "Kendall Whitehouse" , pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: af763@freenet.carleton.ca X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>>ANOTHER PROBLEM >DOS files only consist of the data in the file, while Macintosh files can >include a second component -- known as a "Resource Fork" -- that contains >information about the type of file, the application that created it, and >other characteristics. When a DOS file is transferred to the Mac, it >doesn't include this additional information for which the DOS file format >has no representation. I don't mean to beat this point again, but when a fundamental mistake like this is made it doesn't help to propagate the error. The RESOURCE FORK HAS NO MEANING HERE! Each file system has file information. On the unix side there are things like the owner, group, and persissions on the file, under MS-DOS there isn't really anything except whether the file is a system file and the ending that the operating system uses. On the Mac there is a more rbust mechanism that says what is the file type, who created it, visibility, system info, and other permissions. When files get transfered between systems the data and file name are all that is transfered. A unix system will make the file owned and grouped to the person copying the file, MS-DOS will just name it, the Mac will name it and set some default icons and permissions. To launch items the Mac uses the creator code. SInce none exists the Mac is lost unless you give it more info (like that described in the original message using PC Exchange or Mac Easy Open--included with System 7.5). Brian P.S. For the curious I describe resource forks below in a mild manner. Files 101: Files on the unix and MS-DOS worlds are composed of a single file that contains data, code, graphics, and whatever else the user or application decides to store in that file. It can be thought of as a giant bucket. The Macintosh extended that metaphor with a file having two 'forks'. The data fork would be just like unix/ms-dos files, but in addition there would be a 'resource fork'. The resource fork can be used by applications as a resource database, to store code, graphics, text, etc... This now said, when you do transfer files between platforms, IFF there is a resourse fork (EVERY MAC FILE HAS A DATA FORK, BUT MAY NOT HAVE A RESOURCE FORK), this data will be lost. Applications like, Word or WordPerfect or ClarisWorks, may store data like user preferences, comments, etc. into the resoruce fork. The 'data' of the document is in the datafork. Acrobat and other cross-platform applications are designed to keep all client data in the data fork so that when a file gets copied, it will run w/o problems. 28-Aug-1995 16:26:05-GMT,1942;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA26506 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:25:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07672; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:59:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07575 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:57:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 11:56:59 EDT From: anthony.maceroli@gs.com (Anthony Maceroli) Message-Id: <950828115657.ZM9183@macera> X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: anthony.maceroli@gs.com (Anthony Maceroli) Does anyone know of any utility or program which will convert from PDF to PostScript or directly to TIFF/F? We are currently using Ghostscript 3.33, but it has not been totally reliable, and our company logo does not convert properly. The application is a network fax system, where users submit documents to be faxed in either PostScript or PDF format. Ghostscript does a fine job with the PS files, but as I mentioned before, has trouble with PDF. The system runs on a Novell platform, with dedicated DOS processors for the conversion process. Our preference would be for this utility to run under DOS. Thanks, Tony Maceroli -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Maceroli | anthony.maceroli@fi.gs.com | F E-M Goldman, Sachs & Co. | Phone: (718)694-7438 | A > A 85 Broad St. | Fax: (212)428-9803 | X I New York, NY 10004 | Pager: (917)788-1606 | L ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Aug-1995 18:00:37-GMT,1561;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA27496 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:00:34 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08144; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:42:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA08092 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:37:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9508281735.AA0621@mailgw1.notes.scea.sony.com> To: Anthony Maceroli Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 28 Aug 95 10:40:24 EDT Subject: Re: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >Subject: PDF to PostScript or TIFF > >Does anyone know of any utility or program which will convert from PDF >to PostScript or directly to TIFF/F? We are currently using Ghostscript >3.33, but it has not been totally reliable, and our company logo does >not convert properly. Tony, I've also had trouble getting Acrobat to render PDF files at 200 dpi for fax transmission (under Win95). Since we're storing in excess of 1.2M pages of scanned images in PDF files and also (occasionally) need to convert the bitmaps back to TIFF format, we're planning to write a little applet to drive Exchange as an OLE automation server. Bob Marsh Sony Electronic Publishing 29-Aug-1995 1:14:37-GMT,1732;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA01322 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:14:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA10284; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:12:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA10215 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:09:02 -0500 Message-Id: Date: 28 Aug 1995 16:40:39 U From: "Dedrick Howard" Subject: finding hyperlinks... To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Dedrick Howard" Subject: finding hyperlinks... I've got a 20Mb PDF file that contains 7 volumes of technical documentation. Since I recently learned (to late) it is possible to hyperlink from one PDF document to any page (not just the same predefined page) in any other PDF document, I now want to break the large file into 7 or more smaller PDF files. But, that would mean, I think, redoing most of the hyperlinks. I'm wondering if there's a way to revise them easily or automatically or if there's a plug-in module that might handle such an operation? A related concern I have is how to determine whether any pages that I might need to remove from a PDF document are the target of a hyperlink from within the same document or from another document. Knowing in advance which hyperlinks would be disconnected would of course help immensely--especially when we're looking at several hundred such links. Anyone got any suggestions? 29-Aug-1995 1:35:27-GMT,2327;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA01448 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:35:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA10407; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:20:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA10363 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:19:49 -0500 From: hixson@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 20:17:41 cst Message-Id: <9507288096.AA809666261@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu> To: Bob Marsh , anthony.maceroli@gs.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hixson@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Bob, Any chance that your applet would be generic enough that you'd be willing to share it with others on this list-serve? Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Hixson Information Services | voice: 217-244-2834 or 333-4780 College of Agriculture | fax: 217-333-2614 University of Illinois |--------------------------------------- 67 Mumford Hall | e-mail: p-hixson@uiuc.edu 1301 W. Gregory Drive | Urbana, IL 61801 l or: hixsonp@idea.ag.uiuc.edu | ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: PDF to PostScript or TIFF From: Bob Marsh at Internet Date: 8/28/95 10:40 AM >Does anyone know of any utility or program which will convert from PDF >to PostScript or directly to TIFF/F? We are currently using Ghostscript >3.33, but it has not been totally reliable, and our company logo does >not convert properly. Tony, I've also had trouble getting Acrobat to render PDF files at 200 dpi for fax transmission (under Win95). Since we're storing in excess of 1.2M pages of scanned images in PDF files and also (occasionally) need to convert the bitmaps back to TIFF format, we're planning to write a little applet to drive Exchange as an OLE automation server. Bob Marsh Sony Electronic Publishing 29-Aug-1995 14:23:37-GMT,1602;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA05708 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:23:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13305; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:22:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA13240 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:16:54 -0500 From: Daniel Louie To: listserv Subject: Command shortcut bug? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 10:11:00 edt Message-Id: <304320AA@eei-alex.com> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Daniel Louie Thanks to all who responded about the duplicate pages in Distiller. I received another file from the same person and this time it was fine. More than likely it was indeed accidentally set to two copies to print. I've another question, though not related to Acrobat per se, but something that keeps cropping up on our PowerPCs. When using a command shortcut in any program, occasionally a small screen will appear with a ">" symbol, as if waiting for a command. It doesn't seem to respond to anything, and the only alternative is to reboot -- which is unfortunate if trying to command-s save. We're using System 7.5, but this seems to have been occurring since 7.1. Is there a remedy for this or at least the command to get out of that screen? Thanks, Daniel Louie 29-Aug-1995 15:58:23-GMT,1365;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA06461 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:58:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13997; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:55:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA13958 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:54:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199508291647.AA04811@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: vtex@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:47:52 +0300 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Subject: Reader 2.1 and plug-ins X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Hello, can anyone give an enlightenment on how does Acrobat Reader 2.1 (Win) work with plug-ins? The WebLink plug-in seems to work just fine. The Search plug-in does not load when placed in Reader's PLUG-IN subdirectory. Adobe offers a product for CD publishers which includes Reader and Search -- this means that Search plug-in is initialised whenever the Reader is started, doesn't it? Has anyone tried to use other plug-ins with the Reader? Thanks! Sarunas Burdulis, at VTeX Ltd., Vilnius 29-Aug-1995 16:01:00-GMT,2890;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA06485 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:00:57 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13848; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:43:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA13785 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:41:01 -0500 From: thiersch@ccnet.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:36:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199508291536.IAA09460@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Re: PDF to PostScript or TIFF To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com Tony, I just tried an experiment that seems to produce the results you want: I used Acrobat Reader (Windows) to Print a PDF document, having selected my FAX "printer" as the destination device. When the "print" operation was finished, I just elected to not send the fax, and the entire document was retained as a fax image in the queue (in a regular DOS file). I'm running OS/2, using FaxWorks software, but I suspect the same results would be obtained using any of the popular fax packages (e.g., Delrina WinFax Pro). There is also LAN-based fax server software that might be used in your Novell environment. Your dedicated DOS conversion machines could be set up to permanently "print" to such a server, and you could then store the fax image files for later access or fax redistribution. Hope this helps. Tom <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 11:56:59 EDT From: anthony.maceroli@gs.com (Anthony Maceroli) Subject: PDF to PostScript or TIFF To: pdf-l@emrg.com Does anyone know of any utility or program which will convert from PDF to PostScript or directly to TIFF/F? We are currently using Ghostscript 3.33, but it has not been totally reliable, and our company logo does not convert properly. The application is a network fax system, where users submit documents to be faxed in either PostScript or PDF format. Ghostscript does a fine job with the PS files, but as I mentioned before, has trouble with PDF. The system runs on a Novell platform, with dedicated DOS processors for the conversion process. Our preference would be for this utility to run under DOS. Thanks, Tony Maceroli -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Tony Maceroli | anthony.maceroli@fi.gs.com | F E-M Goldman, Sachs & Co. | Phone: (718)694-7438 | A > A 85 Broad St. | Fax: (212)428-9803 | X I New York, NY 10004 | Pager: (917)788-1606 | L ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - <---- End Included Message ----> 29-Aug-1995 16:10:33-GMT,1491;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA06564 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:10:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14192; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:08:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14142 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:06:21 -0500 From: "Staton, Joann S." To: PDF List Subject: Ghostscript Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 14:49:00 EDT Message-ID: <30421013@msmailgwy.ahcpr.gov> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Staton, Joann S." I've read numerous references to Ghostscript so far on this list. It sounds like a great utility! I would like to get some ordering information. An 800 number would be great. My agency creates fax files for our fax back system by hand feeding them into the fax machine. Our goal is to create fax files from .ps files or PDF files. If you are already using Acrobat 2.0 for this or another system for such a conversion, your comments are very welcomed. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Joann Staton AHCPR 2101 E. Jefferson Street, Suite 501 Rockville, MD 20852 (301)594-1364 x185 FAX (301) 594-2283 jstaton@po5.ahcpr.gov ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 29-Aug-1995 16:20:28-GMT,1606;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA06624 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:20:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14355; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:18:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14303 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:17:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199508291712.AA04863@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: vtex@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:12:52 +0300 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Subject: "Close" action in pdf? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Hello again! Suppose a MAIN pdf document (e.g. Main Menu) contains links to other pdf files. After following the link to the SECONDARY file user would probably like to return to the MAIN and this may be done by either i) clicking the standard "BACK" button or ii) closing the current SECONDARY document. The former will leave the SECONDARY doc open (which may result in large number of pdf documents being open in Reader or Exchange while the only one needed is the Main Menu) and the latter is not so obvious to, say, average user. Is there a way to construct a link in pdf which will bring the user to another document while closing the current doc? Or any alternatives?.. Thanks a lot! Sarunas Burdulis, at VTeX Ltd., Vilnius 29-Aug-1995 16:41:16-GMT,2261;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.3]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA06802; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:41:15 -0600 From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id KAA16743; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:41:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:41:12 -0600 To: "Staton, Joann S." , PDF List Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Ghostscript Message-ID: You can find GNU Ghostscript 2.61 on ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/ in these files: -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 1159449 May 29 1993 ghostscript-2.6.1msdos.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 982025 Apr 20 00:03 ghostscript-2.6.2.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 1706030 May 10 1993 ghostscript-fonts-2.6.2.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 139742 Jul 25 1993 ghostview-1.5.tar.gz A more recent version of ghostscript, with support for PDF files, is also available from ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/pub/ghost/aladdin; the latest one there today is 3.33. There is not yet a corresponding version of ghostview that can handle PDF files. I've built version 3.33 locally, but decided not to install it after finding problems with the directory search path algorithm. They have already been reported to the author of Ghostscript. The GNU version is distributed under the GNU Public License. The Aladdin version has a quite different license. Both licenses permit non-commercial use; the differences lie in commercial use when ghostscript is resold, either standalone, or embedded. ======================================================================== Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB Internet: beebe@math.utah.edu University of Utah URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA ======================================================================== 29-Aug-1995 16:50:23-GMT,2545;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA06884 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:50:21 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14709; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:46:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14542 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:41:54 -0500 From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:41:12 -0600 To: "Staton, Joann S." , PDF List Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Ghostscript Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" You can find GNU Ghostscript 2.61 on ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/ in these files: -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 1159449 May 29 1993 ghostscript-2.6.1msdos.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 982025 Apr 20 00:03 ghostscript-2.6.2.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 1706030 May 10 1993 ghostscript-fonts-2.6.2.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 14910 wheel 139742 Jul 25 1993 ghostview-1.5.tar.gz A more recent version of ghostscript, with support for PDF files, is also available from ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/pub/ghost/aladdin; the latest one there today is 3.33. There is not yet a corresponding version of ghostview that can handle PDF files. I've built version 3.33 locally, but decided not to install it after finding problems with the directory search path algorithm. They have already been reported to the author of Ghostscript. The GNU version is distributed under the GNU Public License. The Aladdin version has a quite different license. Both licenses permit non-commercial use; the differences lie in commercial use when ghostscript is resold, either standalone, or embedded. ======================================================================== Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB Internet: beebe@math.utah.edu University of Utah URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA ======================================================================== 29-Aug-1995 16:50:24-GMT,1960;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA06883 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:50:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14716; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:46:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14567 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:42:28 -0500 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 09:31 PDT From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: jstaton@po5.ahcpr.gov Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <30421013@msmailgwy.ahcpr.gov> (jstaton@po5.ahcpr.gov) Subject: Re: Ghostscript Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) > I've read numerous references to Ghostscript so far on this list. It sounds > like a great utility! I would like to get some ordering information. An > 800 number would be great. Ghostscript is free as long as you are not redistributing it as part of a commercial product. If you are only using it, even for commercial production, there is no charge, and of course NO WARRANTY and NO SUPPORT. For information about commercial licensing, please send e-mail to info@arsoft.com. You can get always get the current version of Aladdin Ghostscript (the most up-to-date) from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/aladdin. The version that is there now has some problems with PDF files, but is usable; the next public release, scheduled for the end of September, will have most of those problems fixed. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 29-Aug-1995 17:22:01-GMT,2086;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA07190 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:21:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA14936; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:19:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA14893 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:18:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 95 18:44 PDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: greenmj@tlc.crc.losrios.cc.ca.us (Melissa Green) Subject: Exch v1 on Windows - install pblms Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: greenmj@tlc.crc.losrios.cc.ca.us (Melissa Green) Help -- please I'm primarily a Macintosh user and now work in a cross-platform 8-station lab where I bought the 10-license pack of Exchange v1 for a pilot project. I also have the Reader v2 CD. Yesterday I tried to install the Windows Exchange v1 on a Gateway 2000 P-60 computer that already had the Reader v2 installed. The prompt warned me I was about to replace ATM with an older version. I stopped the ATM install. Then Exch v1 would not open (even though Reader v2 opens fine.) due to Adobe ATM requirement. I tried to Associate the Exch v1 with the ATM file but it did not work for me. Someone here mentioned to install v1 then install the Reader again to update. (Seems like juggling knives and bowling balls to me.) The Windows computers also have TrueType fonts installed, what will happen to them? Any ideas? I'd really like to launch my pilot for cross platform publishing but this Windows install issue is a real roadblock! Thanks... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Melissa Green Educational Media Design Specialist * Title III Cosumnes River College 8401 Center Parkway Sacramento, CA 95823-5799 Voice: 916-688-7232 Fax: 916-688-7142 greenmj@tlc.crc.losrios.cc.ca.us 29-Aug-1995 17:59:07-GMT,1185;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA07488 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:59:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA15313; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:55:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15266 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:54:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199508291753.NAA71762@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> X-Sender: rsb5c@faraday.clas.virginia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:52:53 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Richard Bondi Subject: test Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard Bondi ------------- Richard Bondi Network and Website Administrator (http://www.darden.virginia.edu) Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, Darden Library University of Virginia Massie Road Extended Box 6500 Charlottesville, VA 22906 Fax: 804-924-3533 29-Aug-1995 18:13:36-GMT,1657;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA07737 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:13:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15568; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:11:16 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA15445 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:07:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199508291806.OAA16598@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> X-Sender: rsb5c@faraday.clas.virginia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:05:52 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Richard Bondi Subject: What is best way reduce printing time of pdf? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard Bondi Dear everyone, If you look at www.darden.virginia.edu/calendar, we have a lot of pdfs from Calendar Creator Plus. The problem is that they take so long to print (to HP4+s from Windows) we are getting complaints, and many won't print on a 2M printer. Any advice on how to optimize these files for printing? We are not using Distiller -- I figured that only optimizes quality of graphics, which we don't care about here. Thanks, RB ------------- Richard Bondi Network and Website Administrator (http://www.darden.virginia.edu) Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, Darden Library University of Virginia Massie Road Extended Box 6500 Charlottesville, VA 22906 Fax: 804-924-3533 29-Aug-1995 20:47:44-GMT,1325;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA09316 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:47:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16249; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:45:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA16177 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:43:40 -0500 X-Sender: peggy@mail.unicom.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:42:32 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: peggy@unicom.net (Peggy Enes) Subject: PostScript -> Text Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: peggy@unicom.net (Peggy Enes) I have a friend that needs to convert about 6,000 pages of PostScript documents to Word 6.0. I called Adobe and the person to whom I talked said that Acrobat Pro 2 would be able to pull out the text but I had to explain the difference between EPS and PS files to him so I'm not very confident that his information is reliable. If anyone could point me in the direction of a FAQ or reliable information I would very much appreciate it. Thanks. --- Peggy Enes 29-Aug-1995 21:10:24-GMT,1886;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA09489 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:10:22 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16388; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:52:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA16334 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:51:20 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:53:16 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ayoung@emrg.com (Andrew Young - EMERGE aka Knowledge In Motion) Subject: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ayoung@emrg.com (Andrew Young - EMERGE aka Knowledge In Motion) You may want to check out a product from Handmade Software, Inc. called "Image Alchemy." It is available for both personal computers and workstations. You can reach them at the following: Hadmade Software 488 Kato Road, Suite 110 Fremont, CA 94538 510-252-0101 Hope this helps! > >Does anyone know of any utility or program which will convert from PDF >to PostScript or directly to TIFF/F? We are currently using Ghostscript >3.33, but it has not been totally reliable, and our company logo does >not convert properly. > ================================== Andrew Young-CEO E M E R G E (New Name!) aka KNOWLEDGE IN MOTION, L.L.C. Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 579 D'Onofrio Drive, #101 Madison, WI 53719 608/829-3454 800/829-2459 FAX 608/829-3561 Home Page -> http://www.emrg.com =================================== 30-Aug-1995 1:09:17-GMT,2850;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA11305 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:09:13 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA17384; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:07:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA17334 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:05:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9508300104.AA0811@mailgw1.notes.scea.sony.com> To: hixson Cc: Bob Marsh , "anthony.maceroli" , pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 29 Aug 95 18:09:48 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh Don't know yet. Will save this and review the idea when we get to that part of the project. To: Bob_Marsh.SEPL @ notes.scea.sony.com (Bob Marsh) @ Internet, anthony.maceroli @ gs.com @ Internet cc: pdf-l @ emrg.com @ Internet (bcc: Bob Marsh) From: hixson @ cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu @ Internet Date: 08/28/95 08:17:41 PM Subject: Re[2]: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Bob, Any chance that your applet would be generic enough that you'd be willing to share it with others on this list-serve? Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Hixson Information Services | voice: 217-244-2834 or 333-4780 College of Agriculture | fax: 217-333-2614 University of Illinois |--------------------------------------- 67 Mumford Hall | e-mail: p-hixson@uiuc.edu 1301 W. Gregory Drive | Urbana, IL 61801 l or: hixsonp@idea.ag.uiuc.edu | ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: PDF to PostScript or TIFF From: Bob Marsh at Internet Date: 8/28/95 10:40 AM >Does anyone know of any utility or program which will convert from PDF >to PostScript or directly to TIFF/F? We are currently using Ghostscript >3.33, but it has not been totally reliable, and our company logo does >not convert properly. Tony, I've also had trouble getting Acrobat to render PDF files at 200 dpi for fax transmission (under Win95). Since we're storing in excess of 1.2M pages of scanned images in PDF files and also (occasionally) need to convert the bitmaps back to TIFF format, we're planning to write a little applet to drive Exchange as an OLE automation server. Bob Marsh Sony Electronic Publishing 30-Aug-1995 5:50:33-GMT,1054;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id XAA12526 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 23:50:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA18883; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:49:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA18827 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:47:09 -0500 X-Sender: jking@neon Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:49:02 -0700 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jking@adobe.com (James C. King) Subject: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jking@adobe.com (James C. King) With respect to converting PDF to PostScript: One can "print" out of Acrobat Reader or Exchange using a PostScript driver that can save the files to disk and you have it. Jim King Adobe Systems Incorporated 30-Aug-1995 8:55:06-GMT,3800;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA13888 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 02:55:00 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA19540; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:53:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA19496 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:52:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:54:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199508300854.KAA32316@gtrnews.argus.co.za> X-Sender: dme@164.88.11.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) Subject: Re: What is best way reduce printing time of pdf? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) I tried printing www.darden.virginia.edu/calendar/9dymast.pdf to an HP Laseret 4M with a Postscript cartridge at 600dpi. The job took 1 minute to spool to the network queue, and about 40 seconds to print from a PowerMac via a 386 Novell server. It would seem to me that the print speed problem is caused by the fact that you are not printing to a Postscript printer, but just to a plain PCL laser. If this is the case, there are some settings on your LaserJet printer driver and ATM software to check. Before you change any settings, print 9dymast.pdf to the Laserjet on FILE:, and keep the resulting file. 1. Is ATM set to download the fonts as graphics? Try setting it to download the fonts. The size of a downloaded font is about the same as 256 characters sent as graphhics. As soon as you exceed this number of characters for a given font, you are wasting time on the printer. 2. Is the printer driver set to send TrueType fonts as greaphics? Again, set it to download the fonts. Now, print the same job again, to FILE: Which job is larger? If the new settings make the file smaller, it will print quicker. However, you may lose out on the weekdays printing in reverse. This raises another question that I can't answer for you at this point, but I'll test it on my LaserJet at home: Is Acrobat printing the grey boxes as a picture or as a box? Try doing a job with only lines, and no shaded boxes or solid black. If this prints significantly quicker, then you may have solved the problem. Finally, try to restrict the number of font size variations on the page. This will help the LaserJet print faster. Basically, any PCL printer prints text and lines quicker than it prints graphics. Not only does this information get to the printer quicker, but the printer can process it quicker. If ALL the text and ALL the boxes are sent as downloaded fonts plus some ASCII characters, and simple box drawing commands ("Go to location X,Y, draw a box of length L, width W, shade 40%") the job will print much quicker than if you download a graphic image of 8" x 10" (at 300 dpi, this would be approx 8x10x300x300 pixels, i.e. 878k!) If the printer takes about 3 to 4 minutes to print an image of this size, it is printing correctly. (!) Add to that the printing overhead of generating all the pixels for each character and box, and you have a *long* wait. ... I'll do a bit more research on my PC at home, and let you know if I can find anything further. :-) Hope this helps. Donn Edwards (dme@star.argus.co.za) Media Software Disributors, Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone +27-11-633-2706 06h30 to 15h00 GMT (08h30 to 17h00 local time) Try our sister company's experimental WWW pages (SA news, daily): http://www.independent.co.za/ Also try: http://www.is.co.za/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 30-Aug-1995 12:34:09-GMT,2475;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA14824 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 06:34:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20240; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:33:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA20200 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:32:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 08:31:46 EDT From: anthony.maceroli@gs.com (Anthony Maceroli) Message-Id: <950830083145.ZM20367@macera> In-Reply-To: jking@adobe.com (James C. King) "PDF to PostScript or TIFF" (Aug 29, 10:49pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: jking@adobe.com (James C. King), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: anthony.maceroli@gs.com (Anthony Maceroli) Jim, I'm aware of the print capabilities of Reader and Exchange. The problem is that we have large stores of documents in PDF format which people may, from time to time, want to fax. We don't want to transfer large TIFF files around the network, or train every one of our 8,000+ users to print to a file and attach it to the transmission. We would like for the user to send us the PDF file, and then have the conversion server (local to the fax system) convert to the required format. Since we already have a working PostScript to Tiff conversion, it seemed easiest to convert from PDF to PS. Any ideas? Thanks, Tony On Aug 29, 10:49pm, James C. King wrote: > Subject: PDF to PostScript or TIFF > With respect to converting PDF to PostScript: One can "print" out of > Acrobat Reader or Exchange using a PostScript driver that can save the > files to disk and you have it. > > > Jim King > Adobe Systems Incorporated > > > >-- End of excerpt from James C. King -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Maceroli | anthony.maceroli@fi.gs.com | F E-M Goldman, Sachs & Co. | Phone: (718)694-7438 | A > A 85 Broad St. | Fax: (212)428-9803 | X I New York, NY 10004 | Pager: (917)788-1606 | L ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Aug-1995 12:58:50-GMT,2480;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA14931 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 06:58:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20459; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:54:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA20416 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:53:58 -0500 From: "James R. Stahr" Message-Id: <199508301253.HAA09559@smokies.binc.net> Subject: Re: What is best way reduce printing time of pdf? (fwd) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:53:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1586 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "James R. Stahr" Forwarded message: >From GarrishM@logica.com Wed Aug 30 05:48:50 1995 From: Garrish Michael To: owner-pdf-l Subject: Re: What is best way reduce printing time of pdf? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 11:47:00 bst Message-ID: <30444FFA@smtpmail.logica.com> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Having read this and other similar messages, could I point out that many of these types of problems can be helped by using the appropriate PostScript driver software (and the correct .ppd file). I have tested the Adobe PostScript printer driver for Windows and it is >far better< than the standard Windows driver, both for printing PDF files to a PostScript printer and for producing PS files for the Distiller. And it looks pretty. It comes with help files and appropriate .ppd files for most HP printers (there should be a Distiller .ppd in your Distiller installation somewhere, for those of you who have it). Incidentally, I queried Adobe recently about slow printing from the Reader or Exchange and their response was that PDF files can be slow to print, (since much of the printer-dependent information is stripped out of the PDF file) but it is much better if you use a PS printer, and better still if it (and of course the driver) supports level 2 PostScript. I believe LaserWriter 8.3 does, and has for some time. Sorry if this is blindingly obvious to some of you, but the number of people still having problems indicates that upgrading their drivers and this would save a lot of bandwidth on this list. 30-Aug-1995 13:39:56-GMT,1438;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA15122 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:39:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA20925; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:37:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA20883 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:36:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9508301332.AA12464@texbell.sbc.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 08:33:42 -0700 From: Mike McDonough Organization: Southwestern Bell Telephone X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b5 (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Conversion to PDF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mike McDonough A few months ago I pulled a PDF file off the Internet about third-party software that would convert various file formats to PDF. Several of the products were geared toward converting MVS reports and documents to PDF. I tried to locate that document again, but I cannot find it on my computer or on the Internet. I thought I had pulled it from the Adobe WWW server, but I could not find it anywhere when I went back to look for it. Any ideas on where to look? Thanks in advance. Mike 30-Aug-1995 14:11:25-GMT,1606;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA15373 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:11:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA21194; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:08:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA21140 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:06:51 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Message-Id: <199508301406.AA05355@hoover.gilbarco.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:08:20 est To: framers@uunet.uu.net, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: FM hypertext command "PREVIOUSLINK" & Acrobat Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com I'm using FM5 for PowerMac to create a document with several hypertext commands, then using Acrobat Distiller to convert the document to PDF. All of my links seem to work fine, except the PREVIOUSLINK command. Nothing happens when I click a box (in the PDF document) with PREVIOUSLINK command. But the link works fine within FM. Help... +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Ideas withheld or repressed are automatically imbued - Jeff Heiskell with a false sense of mystery and intrigue." The JudyBats 30-Aug-1995 14:44:44-GMT,2205;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA15567 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:44:42 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA21410; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:37:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA21351 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:34:28 -0500 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 07:29:07 PST Message-Id: <9507308097.AA809793354@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: anthony.maceroli@gs.com (Anthony Maceroli), pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: PDF to PostScript or TIFF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Anthony wrote: > The problem is that we have large stores of documents in PDF format which people may, from time to time, want to fax. Are you aware that you will be able to print from Reader/Exchange directly to a faxprinter in Acrobat 2.1(just released)? Currently, 2.0 doesn't like the resolution for fax printers, so doesn't do it directly. >We would like for the user to send us the PDF file, and then have the conversion server (local to the fax system) convert to the required format. Tough automating windows programs, but did you know about SuperPrint by Zenographics which does the conversion from PDF to TIFF directly? I missed a lot of this thread, but that was my suggestion about a month ago to someone else who asked. Also, I have to mention PostScript Fax. This is an awesome Adobe/NEC/"maybe some other companies too" joint venture that allows a printer recieving PostScript files to fax them instead. I believe this works in conjunction with special versions of the Adobe PS driver which tell the printer to fax instead of print. The printer has a built in modem, etc, and also recieves faxes. Not only that, but the printer will print to other fax machines with very high quality. **Note: If you happen to be faxing to another PostScript Fax machine, It actually sends PostScript, which is not only a lot faster, but produces a _perfect_ printout. Really neat stuff. -Greg 30-Aug-1995 15:40:18-GMT,1722;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA15920 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:40:15 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21768; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:38:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21728 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:37:35 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 09:04:18 PST Message-Id: <9507308097.AA809796958@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, Mike McDonough Subject: Re: Conversion to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Mike, I believe the document you're looking for is the Acrobat "Guide to Related Products and Services." It's on our Web site at http://www.adobe.com/PDFs/3RDPARTY.pdf... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems, Inc. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Conversion to PDF Author: Mike McDonough at cc_smtp2 Date: 8/30/95 9:01 AM A few months ago I pulled a PDF file off the Internet about third-party software that would convert various file formats to PDF. Several of the products were geared toward converting MVS reports and documents to PDF. I tried to locate that document again, but I cannot find it on my computer or on the Internet. I thought I had pulled it from the Adobe WWW server, but I could not find it anywhere when I went back to look for it. Any ideas on where to look? Thanks in advance. Mike 30-Aug-1995 16:37:54-GMT,1645;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA16383 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:37:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22083; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:35:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA22037 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:34:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:31:53 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9508301631.AA00449@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: framers@uunet.uu.net, PDF-L@emrg.com, RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Subject: Re: FM hypertext command "PREVIOUSLINK" & Acrobat X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 755 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Rick, Having browsed the FM documentation, the previouslink link type you're referring to is pertinent to FrameViewer, but not to Acrobat Exchange. I wasn't able to find a table qualifying which link types "work" in Exchange, vs those which work in FrameViewer, but I didn't look very hard. There is no built-in action whose function is to go back one location in the history stack. If there were, your previouslink links could potentially do something in Acrobat Exchange. (I've written a plugin which implements such a custom action, but that doesn't help you; Frame would have to emit their previouslink link types in order to make that work, and I suspect that they don't, since they know that such links aren't supported in Exchange/Reader. Mark 30-Aug-1995 16:59:56-GMT,889;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA16508 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:59:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22299; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:57:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA22241 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:55:17 -0500 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 09:48:23 PST Message-Id: <9507308098.AA809801794@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PS Fax; more info Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com FYI, there are about five different vendors that that support PS fax: Apple Compac Data Products Digital NEC Xerox 30-Aug-1995 17:42:03-GMT,2013;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA16908 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:41:57 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22560; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:27:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA22520 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:26:38 -0500 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 13:19:26 EST Message-Id: <9507308098.AA809814489@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas), pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: doldl.aimd@viper.gao.gov Subject: Re: "Close" action in pdf? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Well put. I think this is and will also be a problem for those using the WWW API once more than ten documents are opened. Maybe the alternative should be to first allow the "ten" number to be a variable controllable by the user and, second, to close the documents in a FIFO order. That way, the user going back to the very last document wouldn't have to wait for it to get re-read into Acrobat. Joe Hello again! Suppose a MAIN pdf document (e.g. Main Menu) contains links to other pdf files. After following the link to the SECONDARY file user would probably like to return to the MAIN and this may be done by either i) clicking the standard "BACK" button or ii) closing the current SECONDARY document. The former will leave the SECONDARY doc open (which may result in large number of pdf documents being open in Reader or Exchange while the only one needed is the Main Menu) and the latter is not so obvious to, say, average user. Is there a way to construct a link in pdf which will bring the user to another document while closing the current doc? Or any alternatives?.. Thanks a lot! Sarunas Burdulis, at VTeX Ltd., Vilnius 30-Aug-1995 17:53:34-GMT,1196;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA16999 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:53:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22768; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:51:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA22731 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:50:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: RE: Previous link plug-in To: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <9507308098.AA809815798@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson potentially do something in Acrobat Exchange. (I've written a plugin which implements such a custom action, but that doesn't help you; Frame would have to emit their previouslink link types in order to Mark, I am interested in the function of your plug-in. How does it differ from the go-back button provided by Exchange? Jim watson@battelle.org 30-Aug-1995 19:53:08-GMT,1574;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA18086 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:53:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23235; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:49:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA23193 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:48:49 -0500 X-Sender: pbake@pop.wimsey.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 04:46:48 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: pbake@wimsey.com (Paul Baker) Subject: MAC Acrobat-LW8.3-EPS-No preview? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: pbake@wimsey.com (Paul Baker) I need to be able to place Acrobat PDF files into Quark 3.1-3.3 on the mac. Currently I use the print to file feature in Laserwriter 8.3 and create a placable EPS file. However, I have been unable to get the print to file function to create any form of reasonable preview from Acrobat. I know there is supposed to be an Xtension to allow PDF to be placed into Quark but the company that is developing it hasn't sent me any info as I have requested. Ideally I would like to be placing PDF files as graphics into Quark running with the Quark Publishing System. Help!?! Suggestions? Past experience? Paul Baker PB Enterprises or Pacific Press Ltd. pbake@wimsey.com If I had a signature this is where it would be! 30-Aug-1995 23:14:47-GMT,1500;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA19641 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:14:41 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23955; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:12:16 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA23904 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: <01BA76F3.72F37BC0@red119.redshift.com> From: "Jerry L. Talkington" To: "'Pdf List'" Subject: FW: PostScript -> Text Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:12:45 -0700 Encoding: 18 TEXT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Jerry L. Talkington" ---------- From: Peggy Enes[SMTP:peggy@unicom.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 1995 1:42 PM To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PostScript -> Text >I have a friend that needs to convert about 6,000 pages of PostScript >documents to Word 6.0. I called Adobe and the person to whom I talked >said that Acrobat Pro 2 would be able to pull out the text but I had Currently the only way to do something like this is with Acrobat Capture ($3000), which is meant to OCR scanned in documents, and can export to Word. It may be possible to do something like this by using a postscript to html or Tex program, but I'm not familiar with those. Or, you can copy & paste 6000 pages into Word :) 30-Aug-1995 23:59:08-GMT,1045;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA20157 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:59:05 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24248; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:56:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA24195 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:53:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:49:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199508302349.QAA02946@ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Subject: Reader 2.1 & Win for Workgroups To: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Does Reader 2.1 support Windows for Workgroups? I've been trying to install it and get the message that I don't have enough disk space; in fact I have 600MB. Yes, I read the doc and checked my TEMP file. Terry Heiney Acme Training 31-Aug-1995 12:09:42-GMT,3129;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA23798 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 06:09:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA27105; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:08:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA27001 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:04:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:07:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199508311207.OAA01353@gtrnews.argus.co.za> X-Sender: dme@164.88.11.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) Subject: Re: What is best way reduce printing time of pdf? (2) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) I tried printing www.darden.virginia.edu/calendar/9dymast.pdf at home. With the HP LaserJet II driver for Windows 3.11, I tried two settings: a) ATM and TrueType send fonts as downloadable fonts. Printout size: 633620 bytes. Time to generate printout: under 5 minutes on a 386DX/33 b) ATM and TrueType send fonts as GRAPHICS. Printout size: 684586 bytes. Time to generate printout: about 5 minutes on a 386DX/33 To print the same file to a Postscript printer using Adobe's PS driver 2.1: 544362 bytes. Time to generate printout: less than 2 minutes on a 386DX/33 To print the same file to an HP DeskJet 540 printer. Printout size 190898 bytes. Time taken to print: over 25 minutes! Why? Well, first of all the printer driver created a 3.4MB temporary file on the hard disk. Presumably this is a bitmap of the entire page, or something. Then it compressed all the data using some kind of compression algorithm to squash 684k down to 190k. I suspect that ALL the newer PCL printers do this, whereas the older HP LaserJet II driver does not. So the moral of the story is this: if you are using Acrobat to print to a PCL laser printer, use the HP Series II printer driver. ============ Provided your printer has 1MB RAM in it, it should print. The "newer" drivers are probably doing all kind of fancy bitmap manipulation and compression which is taking all the time. All LaserJet printers that were produced after the Series II, i.e. IIP, III, IIIP, 4M, 4L, etc., can understand the Series II PCL commands (PCL Level 4) If you MUST print to a DeskJet printer, then be prepared to wait a LONG time. Unfortunately, the DeskJet does not support downloadable fonts, (part of PCL Level 4) or bitmaps that are "out of sequence" i.e. they must start at the top and go to the bottom, with no jumping around on the page. I hope this clarifies why Acrobat is taking such a long time to print. It's actually the fault of the printer driver, not Acrobat itself. :-) Donn Edwards (dme@star.argus.co.za) ------------------------------------------------------ Media Software Disributors, Johannesburg, South Africa Phone +27-11-633-2706 (w) Fax +27-11-838-2528 ------------------------------------------------------ 31-Aug-1995 12:12:03-GMT,3129;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA23812 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 06:12:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA27151; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:09:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA27036 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:05:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:07:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199508311207.OAA01353@gtrnews.argus.co.za> X-Sender: dme@164.88.11.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) Subject: Re: What is best way reduce printing time of pdf? (2) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) I tried printing www.darden.virginia.edu/calendar/9dymast.pdf at home. With the HP LaserJet II driver for Windows 3.11, I tried two settings: a) ATM and TrueType send fonts as downloadable fonts. Printout size: 633620 bytes. Time to generate printout: under 5 minutes on a 386DX/33 b) ATM and TrueType send fonts as GRAPHICS. Printout size: 684586 bytes. Time to generate printout: about 5 minutes on a 386DX/33 To print the same file to a Postscript printer using Adobe's PS driver 2.1: 544362 bytes. Time to generate printout: less than 2 minutes on a 386DX/33 To print the same file to an HP DeskJet 540 printer. Printout size 190898 bytes. Time taken to print: over 25 minutes! Why? Well, first of all the printer driver created a 3.4MB temporary file on the hard disk. Presumably this is a bitmap of the entire page, or something. Then it compressed all the data using some kind of compression algorithm to squash 684k down to 190k. I suspect that ALL the newer PCL printers do this, whereas the older HP LaserJet II driver does not. So the moral of the story is this: if you are using Acrobat to print to a PCL laser printer, use the HP Series II printer driver. ============ Provided your printer has 1MB RAM in it, it should print. The "newer" drivers are probably doing all kind of fancy bitmap manipulation and compression which is taking all the time. All LaserJet printers that were produced after the Series II, i.e. IIP, III, IIIP, 4M, 4L, etc., can understand the Series II PCL commands (PCL Level 4) If you MUST print to a DeskJet printer, then be prepared to wait a LONG time. Unfortunately, the DeskJet does not support downloadable fonts, (part of PCL Level 4) or bitmaps that are "out of sequence" i.e. they must start at the top and go to the bottom, with no jumping around on the page. I hope this clarifies why Acrobat is taking such a long time to print. It's actually the fault of the printer driver, not Acrobat itself. :-) Donn Edwards (dme@star.argus.co.za) ------------------------------------------------------ Media Software Disributors, Johannesburg, South Africa Phone +27-11-633-2706 (w) Fax +27-11-838-2528 ------------------------------------------------------ 31-Aug-1995 17:47:16-GMT,3309;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA26463 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:47:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28439; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:27:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA28364 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:23:11 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Message-Id: <199508311722.AA09982@hoover.gilbarco.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 13:24:41 est To: Daniel Louie , PDF-L@emrg.com, dlouie@eei-alex.com Subject: Re: Command shortcut bug? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com >______________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Command shortcut bug? >From: Daniel Louie at ~GATEWAY >Date: 8/29/95 10:11 AM > [snip] >I've another question, though not related to Acrobat per se, but something >that keeps cropping up on our PowerPCs. When using a command shortcut in >any program, occasionally a small screen will appear with a ">" symbol, as >if waiting for a command. It doesn't seem to respond to anything, and the >only alternative is to reboot -- which is unfortunate if trying to command-s >save. We're using System 7.5, but this seems to have been occurring since >7.1. Is there a remedy for this or at least the command to get out of that >screen? Ah..you've found the programming box. To return to the Finder, type: G or G FINDER and press . This should return you to the finder safely without having to reboot. I'm not sure why the programming dialog would appear though. As far as I know, the only way to access is by Force Quitting the Finder or by pressing the Interrupt switch. +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@grotto.mux.eng.gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Ideas withheld or repressed are automatically imbued - Jeff Heiskell with a false sense of mystery and intrigue." The JudyBats Received: by ccmail from hoover.gilbarco.com >From owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Envelope-From: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by hoover.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA09403 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:35:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13272; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:19:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA13240 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:16:54 -0500 From: Daniel Louie To: listserv Subject: Command shortcut bug? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 10:11:00 edt Message-Id: <304320AA@eei-alex.com> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Daniel Louie 2-Sep-1995 20:41:58-GMT,2596;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA14743 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:41:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07838; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 15:41:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA07778 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 15:37:34 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Sat, 02 Sep 95 13:39:01 pst Message-Id: <9508028100.AA810074341@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: FW: PostScript -> Text using Acrobat Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com To convert PostScript to Word 6.0 can indeed be done using Acrobat. It is very straightforward: 1. Convert PostScript files to Acrobat PDF format using Acrobat Distiller, whoch come withn the Acrobat Pro package. 2. Create a New document with any word processor: in this case, Word 6.0. 3. Open Acrobat Exchange or Reader and then open the PDF file(s). 4. Select all the text of the first page, copy and then paste into your word processor. These processes can be automated by using AppleScript or OLE automation, as the Acrobat Exchange viewer is fully scriptable (go next page, select all, copy, change to Word, paste, return to Acrobat Excahnge and repeat for number of pages of document). Acrobat's copy and paste retains text font and size formatting in Word 6 via RTF, but does not distinguish paragraphs well and will require light editing. Use Weord Macros to automate much of this. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: FW: PostScript -> Text From: "Jerry L. Talkington" at cc_smtp5 Date: 8/31/95 8:50 AM ---------- From: Peggy Enes[SMTP:peggy@unicom.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 1995 1:42 PM To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PostScript -> Text >I have a friend that needs to convert about 6,000 pages of PostScript >documents to Word 6.0. I called Adobe and the person to whom I talked >said that Acrobat Pro 2 would be able to pull out the text but I had Currently the only way to do something like this is with Acrobat Capture ($3000), which is meant to OCR scanned in documents, and can export to Word. It may be possible to do something like this by using a postscript to html or Tex program, but I'm not familiar with those. Or, you can copy & paste 6000 pages into Word :) 4-Sep-1995 11:19:54-GMT,2498;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA22981 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 05:19:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA16130; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 06:19:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA16070 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 06:13:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:17:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199509041117.NAA05529@gtrnews.argus.co.za> X-Sender: dme@164.88.11.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) Subject: Re: PostScript -> Text Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dme@argus.co.za (Donn Edwards) >1. Convert PostScript files to Acrobat PDF format using Acrobat Distiller, >whoch >come withn the Acrobat Pro package. > >2. Create a New document with any word processor: in this case, Word 6.0. > >3. Open Acrobat Exchange or Reader and then open the PDF file(s). > >4. Select all the text of the first page, copy and then paste into your word >processor. >html or Tex program, but I'm not familiar with those. Or, you can copy & >paste 6000 pages into Word :) Depending on the Postscript files, and the volume of pages you wish to convert, you may wish to try writing a program to extract the text characters directly from the PostScript file. I would *only* do this if: 1. The formatting is basically unimportant 2. The volume of text warrants the effort 3. Cut and Paste will take too long. 4. The source documents are not too complicated, i.e. one column per page. Printable characters are always enclosed in brackets, such as (hello world) but depending on the program that created the PS file it could also be (hello) ... (world) or even (hello) ... (w) ... (orld), depending on how the spacing and kerning is handled. BTW, the "..." indicates other PS instructions. You could also experiment to see whether Windows' Generic Text Only printer driver can print the acrobat file. If it can, you may be able to print to FILE: and import this into Word. Hope this doesn't scare you off! Donn Edwards (dme@star.argus.co.za) ------------------------------------------------------ Media Software Disributors, Johannesburg, South Africa Phone +27-11-633-2706 (w) Fax +27-11-838-2528 ------------------------------------------------------ 4-Sep-1995 15:23:35-GMT,2167;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA23764 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:23:33 -0600 Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id IAA24345; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 08:20:17 -0700 Received: from mailgate.ul.ie by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id IAA24208; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 08:17:48 -0700 Received: from iseg12.iseg.ul.ie by mailgate.ul.ie with SMTP (PP) id <06621-0@mailgate.ul.ie>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:22:24 +0000 Received: from yeats.ul.ie (iseg11.iseg.ul.ie) by iseg12.iseg (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23903; Mon, 4 Sep 95 16:19:22 BST Received: by yeats.ul.ie (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16655; Mon, 4 Sep 95 16:19:19 BST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:19:19 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: liam.relihan@ul.ie Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: Liam Relihan To: PDF List Cc: smithc@ul.ie Subject: Combining PDF documents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: relihanl@yeats X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Hi... Supposing I have several pdf files all interlinked with each other.... Is it possible to combine them into a single file and have all the necessary changes made to the interlinks ? For example if file A has a link to a part of file B and if file B is appended to file A, will file A's original links to B change so as to point to a part of itself ? As far as I can see, Edit/Pages/Insert in Exchange does not make the necessary changes to inserted and existing pages interlinks to ensure that interlinks remain valid. BTW, if it makes any difference, the original interlinks were made using pdfmarks and include relative path names. Thanks Liam -- Liam Relihan, PGP aware - see homepage Voice: +353-61-335322 Piercom Ltd., International [ space ] Fax: +353-61-335051 Business Centre, Plassey [ for rent ] E-mail: liam.relihan@ul.ie Tech. Park, Limerick, Ireland http://itdsrv1.ul.ie/PERSONNEL/lrelihan.html 4-Sep-1995 22:05:05-GMT,956;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA25185 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:05:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA18230; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:04:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA18121 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:01:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 18:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "David E. Frick" To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PDF to ASCII Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 105 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "David E. Frick" Can/how does one convert a PFD document to an ASCII file, extracting, of course, only the text? Best. 5-Sep-1995 12:50:30-GMT,2062;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA28835 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 06:50:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA21561; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:49:48 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA21501 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:44:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 95 08:43:38 EDT X-Sender: jallison@popserver.williams.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: james.f.allison@williams.edu (Jim Allison) Subject: How to maximize quality in articles Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: james.f.allison@williams.edu (Jim Allison) I am creating PDF docs from Mac WordPerect 3.0 by printing to the PDF driver. Then I open up the pdf with Exchange and make an article from the multi-page document. I am using size 12 Palatino TrueType which looks good in the pdf document at 100% view, but it gets badly distorted when blown up durring article reads. Is there a way to make an article, for the purposes of navigation, but have the magnification stay at 100%? What guidelines can I follow to get the best possible results? My documents are academic in nature with lots of formatting and footnotes. Would using PostScript fonts improve the situation? I do have ATM running. Thanks, ******************************************************************************* Jim Allison Williams College Computing Specialist Center for Computing James.F.Allison@williams.edu Jesup Hall Williamstown, MA 01267 413-597-2063 ******************************************************************************* 5-Sep-1995 14:26:59-GMT,1886;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA29318 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:26:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA22262; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:26:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA22212 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:24:03 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:24:23 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: dmckinnon@rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Diane McKinnon) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for September-1-95 [V1 #23] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dmckinnon@rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Diane McKinnon) >PDF-DIGEST Friday, 1 September 1995 Volume 01 : Number 023 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >There are 1 messages totalling 22 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the Day: > > 1. Weblink.api > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: Karen Marie Bowen >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:21:36 -0800 (PDT) >Subject: Weblink.api > >Does the latest beta of the weblink api placed in the Exchange plug-in >folder (Windows version 5 or Mac 1.0B5) work with the new Windows/Mac 2.1 >Reader? >kmb >bowenk@ucs.orst.edu > >------------------------------ > >End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #23 >************************ The Weblink api works fine with Reader 2.1. Obviously the link must be created in Exchange and the user must have a web browser. When the link is selected in Reader the program will prompt for the location of the web browser and open the URL. dmckinnon@rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu 5-Sep-1995 15:20:29-GMT,1362;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA29649 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:20:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22644; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:20:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA22570 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:16:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "David E. Frick" To: "Robert E. Moran" Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF to ASCII In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 403 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "David E. Frick" Thanks. On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Robert E. Moran wrote: > At 6:00 PM 9/4/95, David E. Frick wrote: > >Can/how does one convert a PFD document to an ASCII file, extracting, of > >course, only the text? > > > >Best. > > Simply select all the text in the PDF and paste it into a word processing > app like Word Perfect. From there, do a Save As export to text. The rest is > history. > > Bob Moran > > > 5-Sep-1995 15:21:57-GMT,1992;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA29670 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:21:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22700; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:21:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA22614 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 10:19:26 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 08:18:51 pst Message-Id: <9508058103.AA810314331@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, mm9967@stlmail6.sbc.com Subject: Re[2]: Conversion to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com The document you may be referring to is the Third Party Catalogue from the AScrobat area of Adobe's web site. Those companies include Sysprint, Xenos and Elixir, and they convert things like Sysout, Metacode, and SGML files directly to PDF. Gary Cosimini _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Conversion to PDF From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com at cc_smtp5 Date: 8/30/95 9:04 AM - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems, Inc. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Conversion to PDF Author: Mike McDonough at cc_smtp2 Date: 8/30/95 9:01 AM A few months ago I pulled a PDF file off the Internet about third-party software that would convert various file formats to PDF. Several of the products were geared toward converting MVS reports and documents to PDF. I tried to locate that document again, but I cannot find it on my computer or on the Internet. I thought I had pulled it from the Adobe WWW server, but I could not find it anywhere when I went back to look for it. Any ideas on where to look? Thanks in advance. Mike 5-Sep-1995 20:57:53-GMT,1148;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA02066 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:57:46 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23646; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:26:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA23555 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:13:36 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 12:09:15 -0700 From: "Art Candelas" Subject: Script for rotating pages To: "PDF-L" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Art Candelas" Has anyone written or know of a any kind of script that will rotate pages of a PDF file. I am trying to set up a network distiller service, but need to find a way to rotate pages so that landscape print jobs that get processed by the distiller display the proper way. Art Candelas The Aerospace Corporation candelas@aero.org 5-Sep-1995 22:19:57-GMT,1768;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA02968 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:19:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA24401; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:17:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA24347 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:13:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 95 18:12 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Art Candelas" , "PDF-L" From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Script for rotating pages Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) At 12:09 PM 9/5/95, Art Candelas wrote: >Has anyone written or know of a any kind of script that will rotate pages of a >PDF file. I am trying to set up a network distiller service, but need to find >a way to rotate pages so that landscape print jobs that get processed by the >distiller display the proper way. > >Art Candelas > The Aerospace Corporation > candelas@aero.org Art, what app are you using to generate the PS files? With Mac-based Quark, you would use the Adobe Distiller Driver. With Frame, you would simply rip the files. With PM, you would select the Adobe Distiller driver from the Page setup section. Also, are you using a Mac or PC. With the Mac, use Laserwriter 8.0 or later. In any event, your app should delineate the orientation when ripping the files and Distiller will simply do the conversion. Hope this helps. Bob Moran 5-Sep-1995 23:01:51-GMT,2608;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA03453 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:01:49 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA24624; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:58:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA24579 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:58:15 -0700 From: "Art Candelas" Subject: Re: Script for rotating pag To: "PDF-L" , "Robert E. Moran" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Art Candelas" RE>>Script for rotating pages 9/5/95 > Art, what app are you using to generate the PS files? With Mac-based Quark, > you would use the Adobe Distiller Driver. With Frame, you would simply rip > the files. With PM, you would select the Adobe Distiller driver from the > Page setup section. Also, are you using a Mac or PC. With the Mac, use > Laserwriter 8.0 or later. In any event, your app should delineate the > orientation when ripping the files and Distiller will simply do the > conversion. Hope this helps. > > Bob Moran The Distiller does distill the files properly. The problem is when you open the PDF file in the reader or exchange the page is displayed in portrait rather then in landscape. Adobe says that the distiller only knows how to put the items on the page, but it does not know how the user wants to display the finished page so the default is to display the page in portrait. What I need is a script that will use Acrobat Exchange and rotate all the pages 90 degrees to the left. Art Candelas candelas@aero.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail2.aero.org with SMTP;5 Sep 1995 15:20:20 -0800 Received: from kiwi.futuris.net ([198.68.185.2]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111134-3>; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:14:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:12:00 -0700 Received: from kiwi.futuris.net by kiwi.futuris.net; Tue, 5 Sep 95 18:12 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Art Candelas" , "PDF-L" From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Script for rotating pages 6-Sep-1995 0:40:15-GMT,1773;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA04404 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:40:13 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25078; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:38:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA25027 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:37:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 17:38:57 -0800 (PST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU From: gennari@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (l. trindle gennari) Subject: Capture and Mac X-Sender: gennari@popserv.slac.stanford.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: gennari@SLAC.Stanford.EDU Message-id: X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gennari@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (l. trindle gennari) I work in a Mac-based office and would like to post a gazillion research papers to www in pdf. The simplest solution I see is to use Acrobat capture along with SoftWindows and a scanner. Is this possible? Is it really the case that I could fire SoftWindows, launch Capture, and sit back while the scanner sheet feeds? Anyone know when the Mac version is due (even a rough guess), since I'll obviously want to switch when it comes out? ltg ***************************************************************** Technical Publications Department http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/techpubs/home.html Information Technology Analyst gennari@slac.stanford.edu ***************************************************************** 6-Sep-1995 3:13:30-GMT,2688;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA05399 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:13:28 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA25641; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:45:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA25597 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:44:22 -0500 X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:43:43 -0800 To: "PDF-L" From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? Cc: babcock@mv.us.adobe.com, pdeziel@adobe.com, sfredric@adobe.com, kapp@mv.us.adobe.com, chunt@adobe.com, youngbld@adobe.com, wulff@adobe.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Anyone know what happened to the reactivation of the "Save As" command in the File menu of the Macintosh Reader 2.1? Anyone know if there is one in the Windows Reader? UNIX? This creates a problem for users accessing PDFs off the WWW as they cannot be saved once viewed. It now seems even worse as Netscape 1.1 and Reader 2.1 seem to be loading the PDF entirely in RAM (I can't find the open PDF files anywhere on disk, including in the Netscape Temporary folder). I seem to remember that previously (with Netscape 1.0 and Reader 2.0) you could at least manually move the PDF files from the temporary folder before you closed it in the Reader. This WAS NOT an elegant option, but it seemed to work. Now it seems there is NO option for keeping a PDF once it has been loaded by Netscape into the Reader? Am I missing something? Does anyone know why the "Save As" was not re-activated, as was the plan at one point (or so I recall)? We all understand that the Reader is not an editor, but the "Save As" wouldn't obviously allow for any changes beyond a name change (if even that). So why is it still not present in the menu? I'm perplexed. Any insight on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Art Director / Manager USC Electronic Publishing http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The James Irvine Foundation CENTER FOR SCHOLARLY TECHNOLOGY at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Sep-1995 10:13:14-GMT,1436;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA08162 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:13:11 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA27634; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:11:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA27569 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:08:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 05:55:07 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Re: Capture and Mac To: gennari@SLAC.Stanford.edu (l. trindle gennari), PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <9508068103.AA810392954@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson The simplest solution I see is to use Acrobat capture along with SoftWindows and a scanner. Is this possible? Is it really the case that I could fire SoftWindows, launch Capture, and sit back while the scanner sheet feeds? Hey, let us know if this works! Anyone know when the Mac version is due (even a rough guess), since I'll obviously want to switch when it comes out? Yes, let us all know. I dislike switching the scanner back and forth between Mac and Intel. (Especially since the PC and I are not on talking terms.) jim watson@battelle.org 6-Sep-1995 14:01:18-GMT,2207;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA09190 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:01:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA28324; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:56:19 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA28263 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:52:43 -0500 From: jedb@lmic.state.mn.us Date: Wed, 6 Sep 95 08:49:54 CDT Message-Id: <9509061349.AA21597@curly.lmic.state.mn.us> To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com Subject: Soft Windows / Capture / DOS Compatability Card? X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jedb@lmic.state.mn.us >Last I heard SoftWindows ran in a 286 emulation. If this is the case >(someone please confirm) Capture would run prohibitively slow...if at all. >I don't think SoftWindows, in any case, is a realistic solution for an ap as >hardware demanding as Capture. >Anyone know when the Mac version is due (even a rough guess), since I'll >obviously want to switch when it comes out? I used to work on Macs a great deal but am on a PC. I heard from a friend that the next version of softwindows is out which is supposed to run at 486 speeds on a Power PC. I had been looking into buying softwindows about 6 or 8 months ago but decided to wait for the next version because of the 286 speeds which you talk about. One option you may wish to consider depending on what type of mac you have and your budget is to get a DOS card for your machine. It will cost more but you will have much faster processing because you will be using a true 486 chip. Apple makes one but last I knew it only fit in a 6100 model using a processor direct slot but covered up all other slots. You may be able to squeeze into other PPCs but it will cover up slots I believe. Orange PC makes one also which plugs into a new bus slot I believe. They advertise in many mac hardware and software magazines. Call for current products because my information is dated since I left the Mac world. Hope this helps. Jed Becher 6-Sep-1995 14:37:54-GMT,1928;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA09571 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:37:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28567; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:37:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28516 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:36:12 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:32:59 -0500 To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com From: bourland@tiac.net (bourland) Subject: Re: Soft Windows / Capture / DOS Compatability Card? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bourland@tiac.net (bourland) >>Last I heard SoftWindows ran in a 286 emulation. If this is the case >>(someone please confirm) Capture would run prohibitively slow...if at all. >>I don't think SoftWindows, in any case, is a realistic solution for an ap as >>hardware demanding as Capture. > >>Anyone know when the Mac version is due (even a rough guess), since I'll >>obviously want to switch when it comes out? > While your effort to save the money and hassle of buying a PC is understandable, keep in mind that Adobe Capture has a list price of $2995. You can buy a 100mhz/16MB RAM Pentium system for less than that with all the bells and whistles. I went through the same decision process and ended up buying a system as described above... and you know what? Capture is STILL fairly slow. Maybe it's me, but I don't feel I got my money's worth on that product. It still has a lot of glitches to work through. That they put it out on the market for the price they did in the condition that it is in is unacceptable in my book... And they should have put it on the PowerMac platform FIRST! Andrew Bourland 6-Sep-1995 15:14:29-GMT,2771;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA09894 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:14:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28862; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:12:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28791 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:11:25 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 6 Sep 1995 10:07:45 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 "Save As"???? To: "Michael P. McHugh" , "PDF-L" Cc: babcock@mv.us.adobe.com, chunt@adobe.com, kapp@mv.us.adobe.com, pdeziel@adobe.com, sfredric@adobe.com, wulff@adobe.com, youngbld@adobe.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? Best solution for now is to go into NetScape preferences and choose 'helpers' and set the pdf one not to launch Acrobat but to 'save'. I know the problem. I had 3 files I grabbed from Adobe. One I could read and NetScape did save it fine. The other two were just temp reads as you said. My fix was to quit the reader, launch exchange, get the files and do" save as" from Exchange. Not the best solution. Brian -------------------------------------- Date: 9/6/95 8:55 AM To: Brian Bezanson From: Michael P. McHugh Anyone know what happened to the reactivation of the "Save As" command in the File menu of the Macintosh Reader 2.1? Anyone know if there is one in the Windows Reader? UNIX? This creates a problem for users accessing PDFs off the WWW as they cannot be saved once viewed. It now seems even worse as Netscape 1.1 and Reader 2.1 seem to be loading the PDF entirely in RAM (I can't find the open PDF files anywhere on disk, including in the Netscape Temporary folder). I seem to remember that previously (with Netscape 1.0 and Reader 2.0) you could at least manually move the PDF files from the temporary folder before you closed it in the Reader. This WAS NOT an elegant option, but it seemed to work. Now it seems there is NO option for keeping a PDF once it has been loaded by Netscape into the Reader? Am I missing something? Does anyone know why the "Save As" was not re-activated, as was the plan at one point (or so I recall)? We all understand that the Reader is not an editor, but the "Save As" wouldn't obviously allow for any changes beyond a name change (if even that). So why is it still not present in the menu? I'm perplexed. Any insight on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Michael 6-Sep-1995 15:48:45-GMT,4810;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA10255 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:48:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29211; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:46:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29176 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:46:03 -0500 From: "James R. Stahr" Message-Id: <199509061545.KAA03917@smokies.binc.net> Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? (fwd) To: pdf-l@binc.net Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 10:45:34 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: JACK@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3908 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "James R. Stahr" This message was incorrectly sent to owner-pdf-l, not pdf-l. Please respond to either JACK@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU, mchugh@skat.usc.edu, or pdf-l@emrg.com. Forwarded message: > From JACK@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Wed Sep 6 08:17:44 1995 > From: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" > To: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh), owner-pdf-l@emrg.com > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:18:06 GMT -0600 > Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? > Priority: normal > X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 > Message-Id: <4F7BB05092D@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> > > Date sent: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:43:43 -0800 > To: "PDF-L" > From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) > Subject: Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? > Copies to: babcock@mv.us.adobe.com, pdeziel@adobe.com, sfredric@adobe.com, > kapp@mv.us.adobe.com, chunt@adobe.com, youngbld@adobe.com, > wulff@adobe.com > > Anyone know what happened to the reactivation of the "Save As" command in > the File menu of the Macintosh Reader 2.1? Anyone know if there is one in > the Windows Reader? UNIX? > > This creates a problem for users accessing PDFs off the WWW as they cannot > be saved once viewed. It now seems even worse as Netscape 1.1 and Reader > 2.1 seem to be loading the PDF entirely in RAM (I can't find the open PDF > files anywhere on disk, including in the Netscape Temporary folder). > > I seem to remember that previously (with Netscape 1.0 and Reader 2.0) you > could at least manually move the PDF files from the temporary folder before > you closed it in the Reader. This WAS NOT an elegant option, but it seemed > to work. Now it seems there is NO option for keeping a PDF once it has been > loaded by Netscape into the Reader? > > Am I missing something? > > Does anyone know why the "Save As" was not re-activated, as was the plan at > one point (or so I recall)? We all understand that the Reader is not an > editor, but the "Save As" wouldn't obviously allow for any changes beyond a > name change (if even that). So why is it still not present in the menu? > > I'm perplexed. Any insight on this would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Michael > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu > Art Director / Manager > USC Electronic Publishing http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > The James Irvine Foundation CENTER FOR SCHOLARLY TECHNOLOGY at USC > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ================================================================================ > No "save as" in Windows either (at least not in mine). However, in Netscape > (1.1) you can change the helper app under .PDF to either 1) prompt you for > saving or launching, or 2) simply to save to disk. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Jack Solock | Agriculture is the mother and > Taylor-Hibbard Library | nourisher of all other arts: > Department of Agricultural Economics | when agriculture is well > University of Wisconsin-Madison | conducted, all other arts > 427 Lorch St. #106 | prosper; when agriculture is > Madison, WI 53706 | neglected, all other arts decay, > (608) 262-9488 | on the land and on the sea. > Jack@agecon.wisc.edu | > | Xenophon--431-354 B.C. > http://www.wisc.edu/agecon | (Economico, V) > U.W. Ag. Econ. Home Page > > gopher://calshp.cals.wisc.edu > click on Agricultural Economics Publica- > tions--U.W. Ag. Econ. Gopher > 6-Sep-1995 20:34:08-GMT,1691;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA13410 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:34:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30121; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:56:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30088 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:54:09 -0500 X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:53:30 -0800 To: "PDF-L" From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 "Save As"???? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 7:07 AM 9/6/95, Brian Bezanson wrote: >Re: RE>Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? > >Best solution for now is to go into NetScape preferences and choose 'helpers' >and set the pdf one not to launch Acrobat but to 'save'. I know the problem. >I had 3 files I grabbed from Adobe. One I could read and NetScape did save it >fine. The other two were just temp reads as you said. My fix was to quit the >reader, launch exchange, get the files and do" save as" from Exchange. Not >the best solution. Yeah I know about this route, but it's not a viable solution for novice users, nor is the second part viable for users without Exchange. The issue is that for PDF to be viable for the masses on the Web, it's GOT to be as seemless as possible especially for people that DON'T know what they're doing. Thanks, Michael 6-Sep-1995 21:30:32-GMT,1654;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA14026 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:30:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA30645; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:26:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA30609 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 16:26:41 -0500 From: Philip Pearce To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: PDF to PDF File Links in Netscape Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Pearce ** Reply Requested When Convenient ** This is probably one of those problems that everybody has hashed out and solved long ago, but right now it is eating my lunch. If have numerous files that I have converted to the PDF platform. I want to make the files accessible on the Internet using Netscape. Many of the files are related to each other, so I want to set weblinks from one file to another. I do not yet have Acrobat Exchange 2.1; however, I have added the weblink plugin to Acrobat Exchange 2.0. When I try to use an established link from one PDF file (URL) to another, I get the message: STOP The Web browser would not open this link. It may be busy performing other tasks. Is there some switch that I have not thrown? Or is it that there can be no PDF to PDF file linkages using Netscape? I appreciate any help I can get. Philip Pearce 6-Sep-1995 22:45:29-GMT,2244;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA14983 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:45:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA31079; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:42:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA31050 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:40:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:38:10 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9509062238.AA03712@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, p-pearce@tamu.edu Subject: Re: PDF to PDF File Links in Netscape X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 1398 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Philip, Your message is typical of many who raise queries on this list; I'm not singling you out. The Adobe folks who read and respond to this list do so out of a love for Acrobat and things pdf. One thing that questioners could do which would increase the likelihood of a response quite a bit is to include platform information, and when possible, version numbers. It's not at all obvious what platform you're running on unless you mention a product which only exists on one platform. Not including the version number and platform in your question makes it more work for someone to track down an answer for you. Here's my guess at an answer for you. Without knowing what platform you're on, it's just a guess. If you're running 2.0 Windows Exchange, Weblink has sent a DDE message to Netscape, and didn't get a response back. There are two possible places in the code where this could occur--opening a connection, and processing the link. I suspect it's the latter. This raises the issue of what version of Netscape you're running. If it's 1.1, it should work. Anything else, and it hasn't been tested. You can detect the version number of most Adobe-released plugins by clicking holding down Ctrl/Option when you click on the Credits button in the About dialog box. This "standard" hasn't made it to all Adobe-built plugins, but should make its way into things released in the future. Mark 6-Sep-1995 23:37:35-GMT,2622;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA15498 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 17:37:33 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA31434; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:34:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA31405 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:34:21 -0500 From: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) Message-Id: <9509062333.AA00912@wuecona.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? To: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:33:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF Discussion list) In-Reply-To: from "Michael P. McHugh" at Sep 5, 95 07:43:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1560 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) > >Anyone know what happened to the reactivation of the "Save As" command in >the File menu of the Macintosh Reader 2.1? Anyone know if there is one in >the Windows Reader? UNIX? NO save-as in the new windows reader that I can find. In Windows, with Netscape, under options/preferences/Applications and Directories, there is a field for Temporary Directory and that is where I get the .pdf files I click on. I move them from my c:\temp to wherever I want. Bob -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* # Economics Working Paper Archive # # http://econwpa.wustl.edu/wpawelcome.html # # gopher econwpa.wustl.edu # # # # Send a mail message (empty body) # # To: econ-wp@econwpa.wustl.edu # # Subject: get announce # *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Bob Parks Voice: (314) 935-5665 | | Department of Economics, Campus Box 1208 Fax: (314) 935-4156 | | Washington University | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, Missouri 63130-4899 bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu| *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* 7-Sep-1995 1:32:11-GMT,2359;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA16341 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:32:09 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA32096; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:29:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA32062 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:28:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:22:17 -0400 From: blanks@morgan.com Message-Id: <9508068104.AA810447558@nylanr01.morgan.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re[2]: Reader 2.1 "Save As"???? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: blanks@morgan.com My apologies if I am covering old ground here as I missed most of this thread but I believe there is an easier solution. I am using the Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 1.1N (PC Version). On the HTML page that has the PDF link position the mouse above the text pointing to the link and click on the right button. A menu pops up and offers you the option to 'Save this Link as...'. You can now save a copy of the PDF file to any drive available on your PC. Peter. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 "Save As"???? Author: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) at nylanr01 Date: 9/6/95 3:54 PM At 7:07 AM 9/6/95, Brian Bezanson wrote: >Re: RE>Reader 2.1 "Save As"????? > >Best solution for now is to go into NetScape preferences and choose 'helpers' >and set the pdf one not to launch Acrobat but to 'save'. I know the problem. >I had 3 files I grabbed from Adobe. One I could read and NetScape did save it >fine. The other two were just temp reads as you said. My fix was to quit the >reader, launch exchange, get the files and do" save as" from Exchange. Not >the best solution. Yeah I know about this route, but it's not a viable solution for novice users, nor is the second part viable for users without Exchange. The issue is that for PDF to be viable for the masses on the Web, it's GOT to be as seemless as possible especially for people that DON'T know what they're doing. Thanks, Michael 7-Sep-1995 1:34:07-GMT,1932;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA16410 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:34:05 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA32179; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:32:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA32147 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:32:34 -0500 X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:31:54 -0800 To: blanks@morgan.com From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re[2]: Reader 2.1 "Save As"???? Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com, mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 6:22 AM 9/7/95, blanks@morgan.com wrote: > My apologies if I am covering old ground here as I missed most of this > thread but I believe there is an easier solution. > > I am using the Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 1.1N (PC Version). On > the HTML page that has the PDF link position the mouse above the text > pointing to the link and click on the right button. A menu pops up and > offers you the option to 'Save this Link as...'. > > You can now save a copy of the PDF file to any drive available on your > PC. > > Peter. True. It's similiar on the Mac, but again it's not a very elegant solution. It's good for us to list all of the possible work-arounds, but they are just that: work-arounds. I just think the most logical means and time to save a PDF to disk is from the Reader when you're sitting there staring at it, and have made the decision that you WANT to save it. That is how most every other piece of software I know of works... Michael 7-Sep-1995 5:20:46-GMT,1707;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id XAA17624 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:20:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA00873; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 00:19:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA00835 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 00:18:17 -0500 X-Sender: janosh@chsun.eunet.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:18:13 +0200 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: janosh@alphamedia.ch (Jan Janosh Ivan) Subject: Languages question Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: janosh@alphamedia.ch (Jan Janosh Ivan) Hi there We have very soon a project, which should run only on Mac, but with several latin languages (e, d, fr, nl, sp) and additionaly japanese. 1/ As I understand the restriction behind Acrobat, there is no possibility to put together single bit and 2 bit alphabet, in this case latin and japanese? 2/ Is there japanese version of Acrobat? 3/ If no, is something in the pipeline for this direction? Thanks for help Janosh -- **** -- ALPHA MEDIA, Inc., Switzerland Media Integration & Consulting Neubrunn, 8488 Turbenthal, Switzerland Phone: (052) 454 281 Fax: (052)453 138 E-mail: janosh@alphamedia.ch ALPHA MEDIA, Inc., USA Media Integration & Consulting 208 D Granada Ave. Belmont Shore, CA 90803-5512 Phone: (310) 438-1661 Fax: (310) 438-3297 E-mail: alphausa@AOL.com -- **** -- 7-Sep-1995 14:30:15-GMT,1566;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA21096 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:30:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02651; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:27:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02579 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:21:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 15:19 BST-1 From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for September-5-95 [V1 #26] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) In-Reply-To: <199509060450.XAA26112@grandcanyon.binc.net> > Has anyone written or know of a any kind of script that will rotate > pages of a > PDF file. I am trying to set up a network distiller service, but need > to find > a way to rotate pages so that landscape print jobs that get processed > by the > distiller display the proper way. If you have to, you could write a small program to alter the PDF files directly. In each "page" object, add a line that says "/Rotate 90". That's all there is to it. You may have to adjust the cross-reference table at the end of the file, too, but it's not impossible. Try adding the command to one object, then view the PDF file and see if that's what you want. R. 7-Sep-1995 17:21:17-GMT,1382;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA23420 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:21:13 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA03220; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:17:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA03186 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:15:45 -0500 From: mkirby@tappi.org Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 13:21:07 -0500 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mkirby@tappi.org I currently have Acrobat Pro on my Macintosh platform, and Acrobat Exchange on my PC. I do most of the 'tuning' on the PC side of things (the Mac I use has a B&W monitor, but cranks out PDF's through Distiller just fine). I plan to upgrade to Exchange 2.1 for the $29 price tag on the PC. However, is it worth the expense to upgrade Acrobat Pro for $89? Are there any changes to the Distiller program? If not, I'll hold my breath for 2.5, 3.0, 8.0, or whatever the next version number will be (Distiller 96?) Thanks in advance for any help! Mike Kirby Tappi Journal Editorial Production Assistant mailto:mkirby@tappi.org 7-Sep-1995 19:52:53-GMT,7486;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA24926 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 13:52:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03749; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:49:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03719 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:48:27 -0500 From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 12:38:11 PST Message-Id: <9508078105.AA810503387@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: mkirby@tappi.org, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Hi everyone- Below is a description from the Acrobat Product Marketing team of what's new with Acrobat 2.1. This information should help you decide that upgrading to Acrobat 2.1 is worth the cost. :-> What's New in Acrobat 2.1 ========================= Each of the products installs a read me file which contains information on the new features. Here's a quick summary: Exchange 2.1/Mac ----------------- + Acrobat Exchange now includes PowerMac native, 680x0, and fat-binary versions. + Two new plug-ins: Weblink and Movie. Weblink enables you to create links and bookmarks to other PDF and HTML documents on the World Wide Web. Movie enables you to add QuickTime movies and sounds to PDF files. QuickTime 2.0 is available as a custom install option. Reader 2.1/Mac --------------- + Acrobat Reader now includes PowerMac native and 680x0 versions; there is no option to install a fat-binary at this time. + Two Reader installers are available: Online and FreeCD. The Online version is a single file installer and includes the Weblink plug-in. The FreeCD version can be delivered on disk or CD and adds the Movie plug-in and QuickTime 2.0. All Adobe produced CDs should use the FreeCD version as we encourage you to add movies to your PDF files to take the most advantage of Reader 2.1. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now accepts some specially enabled plug-ins, such as Weblink and Movie. This allows Acrobat Reader users to take advantage of new capabilities in PDF files created with Acrobat Exchange, for example following World Wide Web (URL) links or viewing QuickTime movies within a PDF document. Exchange 2.1/Win ----------------- + Acrobat Exchange 2.1 now runs under Windows NT 3.5 (or later), Windows 3.1, and Windows 95, as well as OS/2 2.1 or later in Windows compatibility mode. Adobe's ATM technology for rendering Type 1 fonts has been built into Acrobat Exchange and Reader 2.1 for Windows so it is no longer necessary to install ATM on Windows systems. For Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, installing ATM is an option and may improve performance of printing documents with Type 1 fonts to non-PostScript printers. + Two new plug-ins: Weblink and Movie. Weblink enables you to create links and bookmarks to other documents on the World Wide Web. Movie enables you to add QuickTime and AVI (Windows only) movies and sounds to PDF files. + Printing quality has been improved to non-PostScript dot-matrix, inkjet, and laser printers. + Limitations in printing to some non-Postscript printers with non-square pixels (some fax modems and dot-matrix printers) have been removed. + Acrobat Exchange 2.1 now generates DSC-compliant PostScript when used with the AdobePS 3.0 (or later) driver. The AdobePS 3.01 driver is included on the Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler. Reader 2.1/Win -------------- + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now runs under Windows NT 3.5 (or later), Windows 3.1, and Windows 95, as well as OS/2 2.1 or later in Windows compatibility mode. Adobe's ATM technology for rendering Type 1 fonts has been built into Acrobat Exchange and Reader 2.1 for Windows so it is no longer necessary to install ATM on Windows systems. In fact, Reader 2.1 does not include ATM so this isn't even an option. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now accepts some specially enabled plug-ins, such as Weblink and Movie. This allows Acrobat Reader users to take advantage of new capabilities in PDF files created with Acrobat Exchange, for example following World Wide Web (URL) links or viewing QuickTime and AVI (Windows only) movies within a PDF document. + Printing quality has been improved to non-PostScript dot-matrix, inkjet, and laser printers. + Limitations in printing to some non-Postscript printers with non-square pixels (some fax modems and dot-matrix printers) have been removed. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now generates DSC-compliant PostScript when used with the AdobePS 3.0 (or later) driver. The AdobePS 3.01 driver is included on the Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler. Distiller 2.1/Mac & Win ----------------------- + Automatic filter selection (JPEG or LZW) on an image by image basis. This enables documents with a mixture of photographic images and screen shot images to be processed by Distiller with optimum results: photographic images will be compressed with the current JPEG settings and screen shots will be compressed with LZW. The result is better quality, smaller PDF files, and improved viewing performance. + pdfmark enhancements for specify arbitrary actions and data in links and annotations. See the the online documentation in pdfmark.pdf for more details. + Miscellaneous big fixes to improve the performance of Acrobat Distiller and the quality of resulting PDF files. Acrobat Catalog 2.0/Win ----------------------- No changes, other than it now installs into the "Adobe Acrobat" program group. Acrobat Catalog 2.1/Mac ----------------------- Same basic functionality as Catalog for Windows, but for the Macintosh (obviously). Not quite ready for prime time. Will ship in October 1995. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs (New Retail Package!) ------------------------------------------------ Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs is a low cost solution for publishing on CD-ROM with Acrobat Search software. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs is a publishing license good for one CD-ROM title and includes unlimited distribution rights -- for that title -- for the combination of Acrobat Reader and Acrobat Search software for Macintosh, Windows and UNIX. Now, publishers can create fully indexed CD-ROMs that can be searched with Acrobat Search software. Additional CD-ROM title licenses can be acquired by purchasing multiple copies of Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs will have an SRP of $695 and will be available in October 1995 by calling Adobe directly at 1-800-27ADOBE or an Adobe Authorized Reseller. Judy Kirkpatrick _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? From: mkirby@tappi.org at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/7/95 10:21 AM I currently have Acrobat Pro on my Macintosh platform, and Acrobat Exchange on my PC. I do most of the 'tuning' on the PC side of things (the Mac I use has a B&W monitor, but cranks out PDF's through Distiller just fine). I plan to upgrade to Exchange 2.1 for the $29 price tag on the PC. However, is it worth the expense to upgrade Acrobat Pro for $89? Are there any changes to the Distiller program? If not, I'll hold my breath for 2.5, 3.0, 8.0, or whatever the next version number will be (Distiller 96?) Thanks in advance for any help! Mike Kirby Tappi Journal Editorial Production Assistant mailto:mkirby@tappi.org 7-Sep-1995 22:10:10-GMT,7051;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA26330 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:10:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04420; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:08:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA04389 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:07:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:05:35 -0700 From: harvey@octel.com (Patrick Harvey) Message-Id: <199509072205.PAA08240@shogun.eng.octel.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: harvey@octel.com (Patrick Harvey) Judy, this is swell. Thanks very much. Only... where (or when) is the Unix stuff? Most of my audience uses Sun workstations. Thanks, Patrick Harvey Octel Communications ----- Begin Included Message ----- From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 12:38:11 PST Subject: Re: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? Hi everyone- Below is a description from the Acrobat Product Marketing team of what's new with Acrobat 2.1. This information should help you decide that upgrading to Acrobat 2.1 is worth the cost. :-> What's New in Acrobat 2.1 ========================= Each of the products installs a read me file which contains information on the new features. Here's a quick summary: Exchange 2.1/Mac ----------------- + Acrobat Exchange now includes PowerMac native, 680x0, and fat-binary versions. + Two new plug-ins: Weblink and Movie. Weblink enables you to create links and bookmarks to other PDF and HTML documents on the World Wide Web. Movie enables you to add QuickTime movies and sounds to PDF files. QuickTime 2.0 is available as a custom install option. Reader 2.1/Mac --------------- + Acrobat Reader now includes PowerMac native and 680x0 versions; there is no option to install a fat-binary at this time. + Two Reader installers are available: Online and FreeCD. The Online version is a single file installer and includes the Weblink plug-in. The FreeCD version can be delivered on disk or CD and adds the Movie plug-in and QuickTime 2.0. All Adobe produced CDs should use the FreeCD version as we encourage you to add movies to your PDF files to take the most advantage of Reader 2.1. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now accepts some specially enabled plug-ins, such as Weblink and Movie. This allows Acrobat Reader users to take advantage of new capabilities in PDF files created with Acrobat Exchange, for example following World Wide Web (URL) links or viewing QuickTime movies within a PDF document. Exchange 2.1/Win ----------------- + Acrobat Exchange 2.1 now runs under Windows NT 3.5 (or later), Windows 3.1, and Windows 95, as well as OS/2 2.1 or later in Windows compatibility mode. Adobe's ATM technology for rendering Type 1 fonts has been built into Acrobat Exchange and Reader 2.1 for Windows so it is no longer necessary to install ATM on Windows systems. For Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, installing ATM is an option and may improve performance of printing documents with Type 1 fonts to non-PostScript printers. + Two new plug-ins: Weblink and Movie. Weblink enables you to create links and bookmarks to other documents on the World Wide Web. Movie enables you to add QuickTime and AVI (Windows only) movies and sounds to PDF files. + Printing quality has been improved to non-PostScript dot-matrix, inkjet, and laser printers. + Limitations in printing to some non-Postscript printers with non-square pixels (some fax modems and dot-matrix printers) have been removed. + Acrobat Exchange 2.1 now generates DSC-compliant PostScript when used with the AdobePS 3.0 (or later) driver. The AdobePS 3.01 driver is included on the Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler. Reader 2.1/Win -------------- + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now runs under Windows NT 3.5 (or later), Windows 3.1, and Windows 95, as well as OS/2 2.1 or later in Windows compatibility mode. Adobe's ATM technology for rendering Type 1 fonts has been built into Acrobat Exchange and Reader 2.1 for Windows so it is no longer necessary to install ATM on Windows systems. In fact, Reader 2.1 does not include ATM so this isn't even an option. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now accepts some specially enabled plug-ins, such as Weblink and Movie. This allows Acrobat Reader users to take advantage of new capabilities in PDF files created with Acrobat Exchange, for example following World Wide Web (URL) links or viewing QuickTime and AVI (Windows only) movies within a PDF document. + Printing quality has been improved to non-PostScript dot-matrix, inkjet, and laser printers. + Limitations in printing to some non-Postscript printers with non-square pixels (some fax modems and dot-matrix printers) have been removed. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now generates DSC-compliant PostScript when used with the AdobePS 3.0 (or later) driver. The AdobePS 3.01 driver is included on the Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler. Distiller 2.1/Mac & Win ----------------------- + Automatic filter selection (JPEG or LZW) on an image by image basis. This enables documents with a mixture of photographic images and screen shot images to be processed by Distiller with optimum results: photographic images will be compressed with the current JPEG settings and screen shots will be compressed with LZW. The result is better quality, smaller PDF files, and improved viewing performance. + pdfmark enhancements for specify arbitrary actions and data in links and annotations. See the the online documentation in pdfmark.pdf for more details. + Miscellaneous big fixes to improve the performance of Acrobat Distiller and the quality of resulting PDF files. Acrobat Catalog 2.0/Win ----------------------- No changes, other than it now installs into the "Adobe Acrobat" program group. Acrobat Catalog 2.1/Mac ----------------------- Same basic functionality as Catalog for Windows, but for the Macintosh (obviously). Not quite ready for prime time. Will ship in October 1995. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs (New Retail Package!) ------------------------------------------------ Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs is a low cost solution for publishing on CD-ROM with Acrobat Search software. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs is a publishing license good for one CD-ROM title and includes unlimited distribution rights -- for that title -- for the combination of Acrobat Reader and Acrobat Search software for Macintosh, Windows and UNIX. Now, publishers can create fully indexed CD-ROMs that can be searched with Acrobat Search software. Additional CD-ROM title licenses can be acquired by purchasing multiple copies of Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs will have an SRP of $695 and will be available in October 1995 by calling Adobe directly at 1-800-27ADOBE or an Adobe Authorized Reseller. Judy Kirkpatrick ----- End Included Message ----- 7-Sep-1995 22:39:38-GMT,7549;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA26620 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:39:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04598; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:37:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA04566 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:37:22 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 16:29:57 PST Message-Id: <9508078105.AA810513463@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: harvey@octel.com Subject: Re: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Acrobat 2.1 for Unix should be out in the next month or two. This will include SunOS, Solaris, HP-UX, and IRIX. Beta versions for SunOS, Solaris, and HP-UX are available NOW at: http://www.adobe.com/Software/Acrobat/ Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems, Inc. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? Author: harvey@octel.com (Patrick Harvey) at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/7/95 3:10 PM Judy, this is swell. Thanks very much. Only... where (or when) is the Unix stuff? Most of my audience uses Sun workstations. Thanks, Patrick Harvey Octel Communications ----- Begin Included Message ----- From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 12:38:11 PST Subject: Re: Acrobat 2.1 upgrades-- worth the $$? Hi everyone- Below is a description from the Acrobat Product Marketing team of what's new with Acrobat 2.1. This information should help you decide that upgrading to Acrobat 2.1 is worth the cost. :-> What's New in Acrobat 2.1 ========================= Each of the products installs a read me file which contains information on the new features. Here's a quick summary: Exchange 2.1/Mac ----------------- + Acrobat Exchange now includes PowerMac native, 680x0, and fat-binary versions. + Two new plug-ins: Weblink and Movie. Weblink enables you to create links and bookmarks to other PDF and HTML documents on the World Wide Web. Movie enables you to add QuickTime movies and sounds to PDF files. QuickTime 2.0 is available as a custom install option. Reader 2.1/Mac --------------- + Acrobat Reader now includes PowerMac native and 680x0 versions; there is no option to install a fat-binary at this time. + Two Reader installers are available: Online and FreeCD. The Online version is a single file installer and includes the Weblink plug-in. The FreeCD version can be delivered on disk or CD and adds the Movie plug-in and QuickTime 2.0. All Adobe produced CDs should use the FreeCD version as we encourage you to add movies to your PDF files to take the most advantage of Reader 2.1. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now accepts some specially enabled plug-ins, such as Weblink and Movie. This allows Acrobat Reader users to take advantage of new capabilities in PDF files created with Acrobat Exchange, for example following World Wide Web (URL) links or viewing QuickTime movies within a PDF document. Exchange 2.1/Win ----------------- + Acrobat Exchange 2.1 now runs under Windows NT 3.5 (or later), Windows 3.1, and Windows 95, as well as OS/2 2.1 or later in Windows compatibility mode. Adobe's ATM technology for rendering Type 1 fonts has been built into Acrobat Exchange and Reader 2.1 for Windows so it is no longer necessary to install ATM on Windows systems. For Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, installing ATM is an option and may improve performance of printing documents with Type 1 fonts to non-PostScript printers. + Two new plug-ins: Weblink and Movie. Weblink enables you to create links and bookmarks to other documents on the World Wide Web. Movie enables you to add QuickTime and AVI (Windows only) movies and sounds to PDF files. + Printing quality has been improved to non-PostScript dot-matrix, inkjet, and laser printers. + Limitations in printing to some non-Postscript printers with non-square pixels (some fax modems and dot-matrix printers) have been removed. + Acrobat Exchange 2.1 now generates DSC-compliant PostScript when used with the AdobePS 3.0 (or later) driver. The AdobePS 3.01 driver is included on the Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler. Reader 2.1/Win -------------- + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now runs under Windows NT 3.5 (or later), Windows 3.1, and Windows 95, as well as OS/2 2.1 or later in Windows compatibility mode. Adobe's ATM technology for rendering Type 1 fonts has been built into Acrobat Exchange and Reader 2.1 for Windows so it is no longer necessary to install ATM on Windows systems. In fact, Reader 2.1 does not include ATM so this isn't even an option. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now accepts some specially enabled plug-ins, such as Weblink and Movie. This allows Acrobat Reader users to take advantage of new capabilities in PDF files created with Acrobat Exchange, for example following World Wide Web (URL) links or viewing QuickTime and AVI (Windows only) movies within a PDF document. + Printing quality has been improved to non-PostScript dot-matrix, inkjet, and laser printers. + Limitations in printing to some non-Postscript printers with non-square pixels (some fax modems and dot-matrix printers) have been removed. + Acrobat Reader 2.1 now generates DSC-compliant PostScript when used with the AdobePS 3.0 (or later) driver. The AdobePS 3.01 driver is included on the Acrobat 2.1 CD Sampler. Distiller 2.1/Mac & Win ----------------------- + Automatic filter selection (JPEG or LZW) on an image by image basis. This enables documents with a mixture of photographic images and screen shot images to be processed by Distiller with optimum results: photographic images will be compressed with the current JPEG settings and screen shots will be compressed with LZW. The result is better quality, smaller PDF files, and improved viewing performance. + pdfmark enhancements for specify arbitrary actions and data in links and annotations. See the the online documentation in pdfmark.pdf for more details. + Miscellaneous big fixes to improve the performance of Acrobat Distiller and the quality of resulting PDF files. Acrobat Catalog 2.0/Win ----------------------- No changes, other than it now installs into the "Adobe Acrobat" program group. Acrobat Catalog 2.1/Mac ----------------------- Same basic functionality as Catalog for Windows, but for the Macintosh (obviously). Not quite ready for prime time. Will ship in October 1995. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs (New Retail Package!) ------------------------------------------------ Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs is a low cost solution for publishing on CD-ROM with Acrobat Search software. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs is a publishing license good for one CD-ROM title and includes unlimited distribution rights -- for that title -- for the combination of Acrobat Reader and Acrobat Search software for Macintosh, Windows and UNIX. Now, publishers can create fully indexed CD-ROMs that can be searched with Acrobat Search software. Additional CD-ROM title licenses can be acquired by purchasing multiple copies of Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs. Acrobat Search for CD-ROMs will have an SRP of $695 and will be available in October 1995 by calling Adobe directly at 1-800-27ADOBE or an Adobe Authorized Reseller. Judy Kirkpatrick ----- End Included Message ----- 7-Sep-1995 23:25:40-GMT,1924;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA27071 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:25:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA04964; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:24:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA04935 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:23:20 -0500 From: fontben@statcan.ca Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:25:45 +0500 Message-Id: <9509072325.AA21402@statcan.ca> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: ERROR: Win95 Postscript Print Driver & Distiller X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) content-length: 1129 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fontben@statcan.ca Hi, I produced several postscript files with the "HP LaserJet 4Si/4SiMX PS" postscript driver that comes with Win95. They don't process in the Distiller! For I don't know what reason, the driver puts 3 lines at the beginning of the postscript file. The Distiller doesn't like them... By removing the lines, the Distiller works. The top of the postscript file: %-12345X@PJL JOB @PJL SET RESOLUTION = 600 @PJL ENTER LANGUAGE=POSTSCRIPT %!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%Title: Printer Test Page %%Creator: PSCRIPT.DRV Version 4.0 %%CreationDate: 09/07/95 18:33:51 %%BoundingBox: 13 13 599 780 %%Pages: (atend) %%PageOrder: Special %%Requirements: %%DocumentNeededFonts: (atend) %%DocumentSuppliedFonts: (atend) %%DocumentData: Clean7Bit %%LanguageLevel: 2 %%EndComments The Distiller log file: %%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: @PJL ]%% %%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%% %%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %% Any idea how to fix this more gracefully than to edit the (very large) postscript file? ----- Benoit Fontaine fontben@statcan.ca Statistics Canada (613) 951-1163 8-Sep-1995 0:23:33-GMT,2412;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA27566 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:21:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05303; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:19:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA05268 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:18:59 -0500 From: thiersch@ccnet.com Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:14:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199509080014.RAA23969@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com To all: I have a requirement to create Acrobat Bookmarks and/or other links in an automated manner; the manual method of inserting these with Acrobat Exchange is too time-consuming and error-prone to consider for the many thousands of such Bookmarks that I will have to create. Starting with a MS Word for Windows DOC file, my goal is to create Bookmarks in the final PDF file that correspond with specific Headings (including the Headings' texts) in the DOC file. Kurt Levitan's message (included below) implies that there is a way to automatically create these links from within the DOC file. I've called Adobe Tech Support, and they claim that (a) they would not have sent out such a macro and (b) this capability doesn't exist (as far as they know) from within Word. Can anyone shed some light on what's going on here? I'd really like to know if I'm chasing a dead-end trail, or if there is some hope of an automated solution. Thanks, Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 95 10:25:50 EST From: "Levitan, Kurt" Reply-To: acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: Acrobat List Digest To: acrobat@blueworld.com Adobe does have a very nice Word for Windows macro that can convert a table of contents and other types of links in to PDF links. I don't know if they officially support this macro but you can call them about it. Kurt Levitan Thomson Financial Services 22 Pittsburgh Street Boston, MA 02210 617-345-2337 kurt@tfn.com <---- End Included Message ----> 8-Sep-1995 0:34:51-GMT,1722;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.3]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA27683; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:34:40 -0600 From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Received: (beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id SAA11198; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:34:37 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:34:37 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, fontben@statcan.ca X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: ERROR: Win95 Postscript Print Driver & Distiller Message-ID: >> I produced several postscript files with the "HP LaserJet 4Si/4SiMX PS" >> postscript driver that comes with Win95. ... >> The top of the postscript file: >> 2345X@PJL JOB >> @PJL SET RESOLUTION = 600 >> @PJL ENTER LANGUAGE=POSTSCRIPT These 3 lines are Hewlett-Packard Printer Job Language (PJL), and are perfectly acceptable to the multilingual (PCL + PostScript) HP printers. Try selecting a different printer type, e.g. Apple LaserWriter, or some other vanilla PostScript printer, and I suspect your problem will be solved. ======================================================================== Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB Internet: beebe@math.utah.edu University of Utah URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA ======================================================================== 8-Sep-1995 0:37:45-GMT,2014;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA27695 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:37:43 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05475; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:36:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA05441 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:35:34 -0500 From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:34:37 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, fontben@statcan.ca X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Re: ERROR: Win95 Postscript Print Driver & Distiller Message-ID: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" >> I produced several postscript files with the "HP LaserJet 4Si/4SiMX PS" >> postscript driver that comes with Win95. ... >> The top of the postscript file: >> 2345X@PJL JOB >> @PJL SET RESOLUTION = 600 >> @PJL ENTER LANGUAGE=POSTSCRIPT These 3 lines are Hewlett-Packard Printer Job Language (PJL), and are perfectly acceptable to the multilingual (PCL + PostScript) HP printers. Try selecting a different printer type, e.g. Apple LaserWriter, or some other vanilla PostScript printer, and I suspect your problem will be solved. ======================================================================== Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 581 4148 Department of Mathematics, 105 JWB Internet: beebe@math.utah.edu University of Utah URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Salt Lake City, UT 84112, USA ======================================================================== 8-Sep-1995 1:13:17-GMT,1425;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA27929 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:13:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA05789; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:12:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA05754 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:10:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01BA7D4D.8BDD4D40@envori.org> From: "Jerry L. Talkington" To: "'Pdf List'" Subject: FW: Soft Windows / Capture / DOS Compatability Card? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:12:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Jerry L. Talkington" >>Last I heard SoftWindows ran in a 286 emulation. If this is the case >You can buy a 100mhz/16MB RAM Pentium system for less than that with = all >I went through the same decision process and ended up buying a system = as >described above... and you know what? Capture is STILL fairly slow. Well, 16 megs of RAM is the absolute minimum. You would probably get = more that double the perfomance if you doubled the amount of RAM the = machine (wouldn't it be nice if we could all do it that easily :) 8-Sep-1995 1:25:06-GMT,1010;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA28019 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:25:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA05941; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:23:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA05877 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:22:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 21:21 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thiersch@ccnet.com, acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) There is definitely a way to do this. The question is , how do you organize the files. 8-Sep-1995 2:05:28-GMT,5984;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA28247 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:05:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06241; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:04:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA06210 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:03:27 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:04:04 -0700 From: "Art Candelas" Subject: Re: Automated insertion of P To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, thiersch@ccnet.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Art Candelas" Reply to: RE>Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word Try the following company out: Software Partners, Inc. Information: 415.428.0160 Order & Support FAX: 415.428.0163 Information: info@buckaroo.com Technical Support: support_Compose@buckaroo.com They make a product called Compose which contains a couple of tools for creating Acrobat Documents. One of these tools is called "Bookmarks by Example" which sounds like something that may help you out. Below is an overview of the "Bookmarks by Example" tool. ------ The Bookmarks by Example tool helps document authors create bookmarks for structured documents with little effort. Many large documents are organized by chapter, section, sub-section, etc. The natural bookmark set for these documents is a hierarchical table of contents that shows the headings at each level. A chapter-level bookmark expands to several section bookmarks, and the section bookmarks expand to sub-section bookmarks. The Bookmarks by Example tool creates these hierarchical bookmarks by taking advantage of the fonts used in these headings in a PDF file. Almost all structured documents use heading fonts that are larger than the accompanying body copy text. Furthermore, heading fonts are frequently emboldened or italicized. By contrast, the regular body copy text is usually a smaller 10 or 12 point serifed font that is infrequently emboldened or italicized. By exploiting the differences between heading fonts and body text fonts, the Bookmarks by Example tool is able to scan a document and automatically create an hierarchical set of bookmarks. As part of this process, it enlists the help of the author to identify examples of text used for each heading level. The author starts by selecting a heading using a text selection tool. A dialog pops-up to prompt the user for the heading level. This dialog lists entries for each heading level and shows the font and style information for the recorded heading levels. The author pushes a button to designate the heading level to record, and the selected text is analyzed for font and style and recorded as an example of the designated heading level . Once examples of each heading level have been identified, the document is scanned for other occurrences of the same font style. For each occurrence found, a bookmark is automatically created. Any text that has the same font, style, and size will be used as the title of a bookmark. The bookmarks are generated in hierarchical order as is typical of a table of contents. ------ Hope this helps. Art Candelas -------------------------------------- Date: 9/7/95 5:45 PM To: Art Candelas From: thiersch@ccnet.com To all: I have a requirement to create Acrobat Bookmarks and/or other links in an automated manner; the manual method of inserting these with Acrobat Exchange is too time-consuming and error-prone to consider for the many thousands of such Bookmarks that I will have to create. Starting with a MS Word for Windows DOC file, my goal is to create Bookmarks in the final PDF file that correspond with specific Headings (including the Headings' texts) in the DOC file. Kurt Levitan's message (included below) implies that there is a way to automatically create these links from within the DOC file. I've called Adobe Tech Support, and they claim that (a) they would not have sent out such a macro and (b) this capability doesn't exist (as far as they know) from within Word. Can anyone shed some light on what's going on here? I'd really like to know if I'm chasing a dead-end trail, or if there is some hope of an automated solution. Thanks, Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 95 10:25:50 EST From: "Levitan, Kurt" Reply-To: acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: Acrobat List Digest To: acrobat@blueworld.com Adobe does have a very nice Word for Windows macro that can convert a table of contents and other types of links in to PDF links. I don't know if they officially support this macro but you can call them about it. Kurt Levitan Thomson Financial Services 22 Pittsburgh Street Boston, MA 02210 617-345-2337 kurt@tfn.com <---- End Included Message ----> ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail2.aero.org with SMTP;7 Sep 1995 17:43:18 -0800 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net ([205.173.176.15]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111117-3>; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:37:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05285; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:19:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA05268 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:18:59 -0500 From: thiersch@ccnet.com Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:14:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199509080014.RAA23969@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com 8-Sep-1995 7:40:53-GMT,1468;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA00825 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 01:40:49 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA08000; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 02:39:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA07967 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 02:38:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199509080833.AA00567@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: vtex@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 10:33:17 +0300 To: acrobat@blueworld.com From: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Subject: RE: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Tom, thanks for raising that question, that is currently what my company needs too. At this time we are automatically generating BOOKMARKS in PDF file from TeX and LaTeX -- at the composition stage the PDFMARK statements for every level of heading are automatically placed within TeX's \special{} command into DVI file. DVI is then printed into PS-file and distilled. There is also a DVI to PS (dvihps) program by Sebastian Ratz, which automatically transforms LaTeX references into LINKS within the PDF file. Sarunas, at VTeX Ltd, Vilnius 8-Sep-1995 9:15:01-GMT,1620;000000000001 Received: from jessica.camb.logica.co.uk (jessica.camb.logica.co.uk [158.234.41.98]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id DAA01177 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:14:57 -0600 Received: from p02710 ([158.234.56.107]) by jessica.camb.logica.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23644 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:14:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:14:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199509080914.KAA23644@jessica.camb.logica.co.uk> X-Sender: mikeg@jessica.logica.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" From: Mike Garrish Subject: Re: ERROR: Win95 Postscript Print Driver & Distiller At 18:34 07/09/95 -0600, you wrote: >>> I produced several postscript files with the "HP LaserJet 4Si/4SiMX PS" >>> postscript driver that comes with Win95. >... >>> The top of the postscript file: >>> 2345X@PJL JOB >>> @PJL SET RESOLUTION = 600 >>> @PJL ENTER LANGUAGE=POSTSCRIPT > >These 3 lines are Hewlett-Packard Printer Job Language (PJL), and >are perfectly acceptable to the multilingual (PCL + PostScript) >HP printers. Try selecting a different printer type, e.g. >Apple LaserWriter, or some other vanilla PostScript printer, >and I suspect your problem will be solved. I can see your point, but he's better off using the proper .ppd file for the Distiller, and upgrading to the Adobe PostScript driver. (I've sent him a message about this.) By the way, this also seems to solve loads of other problems, and it's a bit quicker too. Mike 8-Sep-1995 13:55:23-GMT,3244;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA02546 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 07:55:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA09281; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:53:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA09245 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 8 Sep 1995 08:47:07 U From: "Ted Goessling" Subject: Re: Automated PDFmark in Wo To: "PDF-L Readers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Ted Goessling" Subject: RE> Automated PDFmark in Word Date:9/8/95 Time: 7:27 AM Tom Thiersch writes: > I have a requirement to create Acrobat Bookmarks and/or other links in > an automated manner; the manual method of inserting these with Acrobat > Exchange is too time-consuming and error-prone to consider for the many > thousands of such Bookmarks that I will have to create. > > Starting with a MS Word for Windows DOC file, my goal is to create > Bookmarks in the final PDF file that correspond with specific Headings > (including the Headings' texts) in the DOC file. This started out as a simple message to let you know that the you can use Word's PostScript style to insert PDFmark commands directly into Word documents. Then I checked my Word 6 for Windows machine and discovered that the inscrutable Microsoft Corp. doesn't offer that style on the Windows platform (I use a Mac). Thus, I won't go into great detail. IF you were using Word 5.1 for the Mac, you could insert the following line: [ /View [ /Fit ] /Title (Introduction) /OUT pdfmark Putting this command on the same page as the Heading that you want to appear in the Bookmark will create a Bookmark with the text "Introduction". You must apply the built-in (to Word 5.1 for the Mac) style called PostScript to the text. Then you must print the document to a PostScript file and run it through Distiller. With a little perserverence, you may be able to get someone at Microsoft to tell you where they hid the PostScript style in Word 6 for Windows. With a lot of perserverence, you could probably write a Word macro that would scan the Heading (and TOC) styles in your document and automatically insert the correct PDFmark command in front of each occurance. If you write it, I'll buy it! Also, be aware that the PDFmark commands can do all sorts of wonderful things like make nested Bookmarks and links. If you get to the level of writing PDFmark commands and embedding them in your PostScript, you should get a copy of the "Portable Document Format Reference Manual" (Addison-Wesley). ====================================================================== Ted Goessling ted.goessling@mts.com Technology Analyst 14000 Technology Drive MTS Systems Corporation Eden Prairie, MN 55344 ====================================================================== 8-Sep-1995 14:21:48-GMT,4355;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA02856 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:21:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09441; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:17:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA09410 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:17:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 06:34:07 From: "kschmidtmann" Message-Id: <9508088105.AA810567247@buckaroo.buckaroo.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "kschmidtmann" Tom: At Software Partners we have an Acrobat publisher's toolkit Compose that, among other tools, has an automated bookmarking facility. With an already created PDF document, you can create up to 5 levels of hierarchical bookmarks if your headings each have a unique font style. For example if your level 1 headings all use Helvetica 16 point font, you lasso an instance of that font, select the desired page range and other options, press "create bookmarks", and the it will create a bookmark for each instance of that font it finds. On a test run with an 870 page document, I created over 1500 bookmarks in about 12 minutes with a 486SX25 with 8Mgs of RAM. For more information, drop me a line or give me a call. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners 804-984-5500 kschmidtmann@buckaroo.com ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word Author: thiersch@ccnet.com at Internet Date: 9/7/95 5:34 PM Received: by ccmail Received: from netcomsv by buckaroo.com (UUPC/extended 1.11) with UUCP; Thu, 07 Sep 1995 17:33:29 PDT Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by netcomsv.netcom.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/SMI -4.1) id RAA06455; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:17:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6 .9) with SMTP id TAA05292; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:19:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA 05268 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:18:59 -0500 From: thiersch@ccnet.com X-ccAdmin: postmaster@netcomsv Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:14:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199509080014.RAA23969@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com To all: I have a requirement to create Acrobat Bookmarks and/or other links in an automated manner; the manual method of inserting these with Acrobat Exchange is too time-consuming and error-prone to consider for the many thousands of such Bookmarks that I will have to create. Starting with a MS Word for Windows DOC file, my goal is to create Bookmarks in the final PDF file that correspond with specific Headings (including the Headings' texts) in the DOC file. Kurt Levitan's message (included below) implies that there is a way to automatically create these links from within the DOC file. I've called Adobe Tech Support, and they claim that (a) they would not have sent out such a macro and (b) this capability doesn't exist (as far as they know) from within Word. Can anyone shed some light on what's going on here? I'd really like to know if I'm chasing a dead-end trail, or if there is some hope of an automated solution. Thanks, Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 95 10:25:50 EST From: "Levitan, Kurt" Reply-To: acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: Acrobat List Digest To: acrobat@blueworld.com Adobe does have a very nice Word for Windows macro that can convert a table of contents and other types of links in to PDF links. I don't know if they officially support this macro but you can call them about it. Kurt Levitan Thomson Financial Services 22 Pittsburgh Street Boston, MA 02210 617-345-2337 kurt@tfn.com <---- End Included Message ----> 8-Sep-1995 15:55:04-GMT,1362;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA03830 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:54:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09942; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:30:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09892 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:27:26 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 09:24:23 PST Message-Id: <9508088105.AA810574134@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com, ggernert@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat 2.1 for Unix Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com For some reason, whenever I post to this list, the body of my message gets chopped off. But I'll give it one more try. Here's a copy of the message I *tried* to send last night... Acrobat 2.1 for Unix should be out in the next month or two. This will include SunOS, Solaris, HP-UX, and IRIX. Beta versions for SunOS, Solaris, and HP-UX are available NOW at: http://www.adobe.com/Software/Acrobat/ If anyone knows why my other messages have not made it through, please let me know. Thanks... 8-Sep-1995 15:59:13-GMT,1623;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA03861 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:59:09 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09945; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:30:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09859 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <01BA7DDD.BF449FE0@fontben.statcan.ca> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= To: "'pdf-l@emrg.com'" Subject: Text is too small to be read? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:24:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 683 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= Why me? !@#$% The text of my PDF file is too small to be read! When I click the "Fit Width" button, I can only see fine gray lines. If I magnify with the "Zoom" tool 2 times, I can see the text. On the other hand, the display is too large. When printed to an HP LaserJet from the "Reader", I get a perfect page! The source files are postscript, probably from an HP LaserJet 3Si... Could it be that some fonts are not embedded in the document and when printed, the HP uses its built-in fonts? Then again, the "Reader" will display the text if it is enlarged to the maximum... Any clues? PS Thanks you all for helping me with "ERROR: Win95 Postscript Print Driver & Distiller"! 8-Sep-1995 16:30:14-GMT,1783;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA04208 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:30:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA10366; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:26:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA10332 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:25:16 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 10:11:01 PST Message-Id: <9508088105.AA810577614@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Text is too small to be read? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Check your setting in Edit\Preferences\General for "Greek Text Below [ ] Pixels". The default setting is 6 pixels. Anything larger could cause the problem you're talking about... ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Text is too small to be read? Author: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= at cc_smtp5 Date: 9/8/95 8:30 AM Why me? !@#$% The text of my PDF file is too small to be read! When I click the "Fit Width" button, I can only see fine gray lines. If I magnify with the "Zoom" tool 2 times, I can see the text. On the other hand , the display is too large. When printed to an HP LaserJet from the "Reader", I get a perfect page! The source files are postscript, probably from an HP LaserJet 3Si... Could it be that some fonts are not embedded in the document and when printed, th e HP uses its built-in fonts? Then again, the "Reader" will display the text if it is enlarged to the maximum.. 8-Sep-1995 20:39:14-GMT,1177;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA06793 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:39:10 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11385; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:37:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA11358 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:35:28 -0500 From: MRemingtn@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:34:25 -0400 Message-ID: <950908163424_14305934@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: MRemingtn@aol.com Hi all, My task is to turn PageMaker 5.0 docs into PDFs, and I'm having a devil of a time with graphics. A newbie at this, I'm placing various forms of TIF and EPS images into a PM file then distilling it. Thus far my best luck is with EPS files, but they look blocky with any magnification. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I expecting too much? I'm on the PC, using PhotoShop to tweak my graphics. Thanks for any help, Marti Remington 8-Sep-1995 20:51:12-GMT,1998;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA06889 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:51:09 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11539; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:49:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA11499 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:47:19 -0500 From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 15:43:52 cst Message-Id: <9508088106.AA810600232@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu> To: MRemingtn@aol.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu I'm another Acrobat newbie with another question about graphics. (At least you're not suffering alone, Marti.) Does anyone know why an image that appears in full color in a PageMaker 5.0 for Mac document would become a black and white image when converted to a pdf and viewed via that same Mac running Exchange? The image is an 8-1/2 x 11 TIFF, and I've tried JPEG and LZW compression. Terri Stone ................................................ Information Services College of Agricultural, Consumer, and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois 217-244-2829 ta-stone@uiuc.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Graphics in PDFs From: MRemingtn@aol.com at Internet Date: 9/8/95 3:36 PM Hi all, My task is to turn PageMaker 5.0 docs into PDFs, and I'm having a devil of a time with graphics. A newbie at this, I'm placing various forms of TIF and EPS images into a PM file then distilling it. Thus far my best luck is with EPS files, but they look blocky with any magnification. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I expecting too much? I'm on the PC, using PhotoShop to tweak my graphics. Thanks for any help, Marti Remington 8-Sep-1995 21:46:22-GMT,1423;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA07523 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:46:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA11851; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:43:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA11819 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:42:16 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 8 Sep 1995 16:40:43 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs To: MRemingtn@aol.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>>Graphics in PDFs >Does anyone know why an image that appears in full color in a PageMaker 5.0 for >Mac document would become a black and white image when converted to a pdf and >viewed via that same Mac running Exchange? Check your laserwriter ppd settings. You should be using Apple's LaserWriter 8.3 (not the old Aldus driver). The PPD selected should be the Acrobat one. If you have a PPD selected for a B&W printer, all that will be generated will be B&W data. I'd also suggest upgrading to PageMaker 6 which has direct support for PDF generation. Brian 8-Sep-1995 21:57:43-GMT,1588;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA07612 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:57:41 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12028; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:50:28 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA11992 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:49:30 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 8 Sep 1995 16:43:20 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs To: MRemingtn@aol.com, PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>Graphics in PDFs >My task is to turn PageMaker 5.0 docs into PDFs, and I'm >having a devil of a time with graphics. A newbie at this, I'm placing >various forms of TIF and EPS images into a PM file then distilling it. >Thus far my best luck is with EPS files, but they look blocky with any >magnification. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I >expecting too much? > >I'm on the PC, using PhotoShop to tweak my graphics. Photoshop graphics are bitmaps so it doesn't really matter if you save them as tiff or eps. What will matter are your distiller settings for resolution and compression quality. Will people be mainly viewing these: on-screen? magnified? Experiment with 72 dpi, 150, and 300 dpi. Note you files sizes with each change. Brian 8-Sep-1995 22:04:05-GMT,2696;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA07664 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:04:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12204; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:02:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12143 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:01:54 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 15:51:55 PST Message-Id: <9508088105.AA810597780@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com This is actually a very common oversight. Make sure you're using the Acrobat Distiller PPD (it's in the Distiller Xtras folder) to print your PostScript file. You're probably using a generic LaserWriter PPD, which doesn't pass through all the color information, since it's not expecting a color printer. Still don't know why this list-serv cuts off the first few lines of all my messages, though. Ideas, anyone? - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems, Inc. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs Author: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/8/95 3:43 PM I'm another Acrobat newbie with another question about graphics. (At least you're not suffering alone, Marti.) Does anyone know why an image that appears in full color in a PageMaker 5.0 for Mac document would become a black and white image when converted to a pdf and viewed via that same Mac running Exchange? The image is an 8-1/2 x 11 TIFF, and I've tried JPEG and LZW compression. Terri Stone ................................................ Information Services College of Agricultural, Consumer, and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois 217-244-2829 ta-stone@uiuc.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Graphics in PDFs From: MRemingtn@aol.com at Internet Date: 9/8/95 3:36 PM Hi all, My task is to turn PageMaker 5.0 docs into PDFs, and I'm having a devil of a time with graphics. A newbie at this, I'm placing various forms of TIF and EPS images into a PM file then distilling it. Thus far my best luck is with EPS files, but they look blocky with any magnification. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I expecting too much? I'm on the PC, using PhotoShop to tweak my graphics. Thanks for any help, Marti Remington 8-Sep-1995 22:22:32-GMT,2767;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA07801 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:22:29 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12470; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:20:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12389 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:19:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 18:18 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu, MRemingtn@aol.com, PDF-L@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) At 3:43 PM 9/8/95, stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu wrote: >I'm another Acrobat newbie with another question about graphics. (At least >you're not suffering alone, Marti.) > >Does anyone know why an image that appears in full color in a PageMaker >5.0 for >Mac document would become a black and white image when converted to a pdf and >viewed via that same Mac running Exchange? > >The image is an 8-1/2 x 11 TIFF, and I've tried JPEG and LZW compression. > > >Terri Stone >................................................ >Information Services >College of Agricultural, Consumer, and Environmental Sciences >University of Illinois >217-244-2829 >ta-stone@uiuc.edu > Terri, that definitely should not happen. What rev Distiller and Exchange are you using? 1.0 was a disaster that took TOO MUCH effort to make it work while 2.0 is definitely better. Also, in Distiller 2.0, there is a little known print description driver called Distiller. It's in the Distiller Extras folder. Place it in the printer descriptions folder inside the Extensions folder that resides in the SYSTEM Folder. Also, make certain you are using LaserWriter 8.0 or later as this permits much better PS and PDF production. Once you have done all of this prep work, go to PM 5 and boot the program. When you are ready to print your document, go to the Print Dialog box and select the Adobe Distiller Driver. The rest of the procedure is the same regarding the production of PS save that you plcae the PS into the In Folder of the Directory that Distiller will access when coveting PS to PDF. As for graphics, save Pifts or tifs in either 8 or 24 bit as Disteller maps to those bit depths when doing the converts. I use 8 bit for file size considerations even though the size difference isn't that huge. >From there, you should have decent color PDF that you access via Exchange 2.0. Bob Moran 8-Sep-1995 22:22:41-GMT,2016;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA07805 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:22:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12472; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:20:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12383 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:19:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 18:18 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MRemingtn@aol.com, PDF-L@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Matt, What version of Distiller are you running. 1.0 was a disaster. Also, make sure you you are using PS fonts and the latest ATM and PS drivers for the PC. Last but not least, I am not cetain but on the Mac, Distiller comes with a Distiller driver that PM accesses when you use page setup. This is what you should use when going for PS. Also, save images in eitther 8bit or 24 bit tifs as Distiller maps to those bit depths when ripping files to PDF's. Note that PM tends to produce lousy PS. Perhaps that's why Adobe bought Aldus. PM 6.0 is supposed to be MUCH better in that regard. Especially in the area of PDF's as it writes to PDF from the get go. Hope this helps. Bob >Hi all, > >My task is to turn PageMaker 5.0 docs into PDFs, and I'm >having a devil of a time with graphics. A newbie at this, I'm placing >various forms of TIF and EPS images into a PM file then distilling it. >Thus far my best luck is with EPS files, but they look blocky with any >magnification. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I >expecting too much? > >I'm on the PC, using PhotoShop to tweak my graphics. >Thanks for any help, > >Marti Remington 9-Sep-1995 4:03:04-GMT,2560;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA10696 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 22:03:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA14018; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:01:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA13985 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:00:35 -0500 X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:03:22 -0800 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 2:18 PM 9/8/95, Robert E. Moran wrote: >Note that PM tends to produce lousy PS. Perhaps that's why Adobe >bought Aldus. PM 6.0 is supposed to be MUCH better in that regard. >Especially in the area of PDF's as it writes to PDF from the get go. Actually, PM 6 does not write PDF directly. It ships with Distiller 2.1, which it uses for PDF conversion from PS files generated by PM 6. However, it also comes with is a great PDF Plug-in that adds great functionality to and automates the process of generating the PS files and passing them off to the Distiller directly so you don't ever have to manually handle the PS file (though you do still have that option). The Plug-in adds the necessary code to the PS files for converting PM Tables of Contents and Indexes to Bookmarks and hypertext links. It also will convert PageMaker stories to Threaded Articles in the resulting PDF file. You also have complete control over the Distiller's settings from within the PM-PDF plug-in. If you are using PageMaker and doing a lot of PDF publishing. PageMaker 6 is worth the upgrade just for the new PDF support, but there are also a slew of additional new (some long awaited) features that make PM 6 pretty irresistible... ...IMHO, that is. -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Art Director / Manager USC Electronic Publishing http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The James Irvine Foundation CENTER FOR SCHOLARLY TECHNOLOGY at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 9-Sep-1995 21:00:33-GMT,1222;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA16423 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:00:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02468; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 16:03:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA02389 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:59:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 13:53:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199509092053.NAA18406@aimnet.com> X-Sender: rjg@aimnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Richard Galpin Subject: Japanese version of Capture. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard Galpin Hello all, I am interested in using the capabilities that would be provided by a Japanese version of Acrobat Capture. Does anyone know when/if Adobe plan to make this available. Any thoughts on how accurate it would be with kanji characters. Any info about other Japanese Acrobat products would be helpful also. Thanks, Richard 10-Sep-1995 13:10:57-GMT,1261;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA21171 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:10:55 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05741; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:45:48 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA05705 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 07:43:30 -0500 X-Sender: janosh@chsun.eunet.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:43:16 +0200 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: janosh@alphamedia.ch (Jan Janosh Ivan) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for September-9-95 [V1 #30] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: janosh@alphamedia.ch (Jan Janosh Ivan) > Richard Galpin asked about Japanese version: Adobe will be delivering a Japanese version of Acrobat sometime in the second quarter of next year. cheers Janosh -- **** -- ALPHA MEDIA, Inc. Media Integration & Consulting Neubrunn, 8488 Turbenthal, Switzerland Phone: (052) 454 281 Fax: (052) 453 138 E-mail: janosh@alphamedia.ch -- **** -- 10-Sep-1995 15:40:51-GMT,996;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA21711 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:40:49 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06381; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:39:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA06342 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 10:32:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 11:31 EDT X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh), PDF-L@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Mike, that sounds very cool. Thanks for the Info. Bob 10-Sep-1995 19:12:13-GMT,1787;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA22587 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:12:10 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA07048; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:11:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA07010 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:09:41 -0500 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 12:06 PDT From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: janosh@alphamedia.ch Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: (janosh@alphamedia.ch) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for September-9-95 [V1 #30] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) > Adobe will be delivering a Japanese version of Acrobat sometime in the > second quarter of next year. I don't see how they will do this, because the published PDF specifications have no provisions for multi-byte (Type 0) fonts. Rumor also has it that at a recent meeting, the Adobe Acrobat engineering team was asked specifically about support for Type 0 fonts in PDF, and they said they felt embarrassed that there wasn't any, but they didn't have specific, concrete plans to add it. I guess they will have to deal with this deficiency in the next couple of quarters. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 11-Sep-1995 12:35:56-GMT,3296;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA27774 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:35:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA10609; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:34:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA10572 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:32:50 -0500 From: mkirby@tappi.org Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:37:57 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: tone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs -Reply Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mkirby@tappi.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 15:43:52 cst Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs I'm another Acrobat newbie with another question about graphics. (At least you're not suffering alone, Marti.) Does anyone know why an image that appears in full color in a PageMaker 5.0 for Mac document would become a black and white image when converted to a pdf and viewed via that same Mac running Exchange? The image is an 8-1/2 x 11 TIFF, and I've tried JPEG and LZW compression. Terri Stone <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have had a similar problem, to which I've never found a solution. It was a real mystery (and perhaps still is), but I think I'm closing in on the answer: My particular PDF quest is to get our magazine put into the format, for later repurposing into CD-ROM and on-line services. The problem is that we have such a great working relationship with our printer-- we send all photos which are to appear in the magazine, and they make high and low-res scans of the images, sending us the low-res files. I am not yet versed enough in the Mac side of things to figure out just WHAT kind of format they are giving us, but it works (I don't work on the layout of the magazine, I just work on the 'new technologies'.. lucky me). It works, that is, until I try to print to postscript and PDF the sucker-- black and white images, through and through. My problem isn't with the printer drivers-- they are pulling all the color information out of the rest of the file just fine (color backgrounds, etc.) We got a color printer the other day (300 dpi, just to give us some idea of how things look on paper), and tried printing these same files to the color printer (not PSing them and not PDFing them, either). Guess what? Black and white photos with color backgrounds! We have a suspicion now that the problem is with the low-res scans. I believe they are scanning them for CMYK output-- would this interfere with PDFing them to display on-screen? The problem isn't with any particular software configuration-- this problem has spanned three different Macs with entirely different hardware and software configurations (Pagemaker being one of the few common denominators). I will delve deeper into the question of the low-res scans-- if I find out anything, I will let you know! Likewise, if by some miracle your images start appearing in color, let me know what you did-- I'm at wits' end! Mike Kirby Tappi Journal Editorial Production Assistant mailto:mkirby@tappi.org 11-Sep-1995 12:41:34-GMT,3296;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA27794 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 06:41:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA10698; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:40:17 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA10667 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:38:33 -0500 From: mkirby@tappi.org Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:44:04 -0500 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: tone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs -Reply Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mkirby@tappi.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 15:43:52 cst Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs I'm another Acrobat newbie with another question about graphics. (At least you're not suffering alone, Marti.) Does anyone know why an image that appears in full color in a PageMaker 5.0 for Mac document would become a black and white image when converted to a pdf and viewed via that same Mac running Exchange? The image is an 8-1/2 x 11 TIFF, and I've tried JPEG and LZW compression. Terri Stone <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have had a similar problem, to which I've never found a solution. It was a real mystery (and perhaps still is), but I think I'm closing in on the answer: My particular PDF quest is to get our magazine put into the format, for later repurposing into CD-ROM and on-line services. The problem is that we have such a great working relationship with our printer-- we send all photos which are to appear in the magazine, and they make high and low-res scans of the images, sending us the low-res files. I am not yet versed enough in the Mac side of things to figure out just WHAT kind of format they are giving us, but it works (I don't work on the layout of the magazine, I just work on the 'new technologies'.. lucky me). It works, that is, until I try to print to postscript and PDF the sucker-- black and white images, through and through. My problem isn't with the printer drivers-- they are pulling all the color information out of the rest of the file just fine (color backgrounds, etc.) We got a color printer the other day (300 dpi, just to give us some idea of how things look on paper), and tried printing these same files to the color printer (not PSing them and not PDFing them, either). Guess what? Black and white photos with color backgrounds! We have a suspicion now that the problem is with the low-res scans. I believe they are scanning them for CMYK output-- would this interfere with PDFing them to display on-screen? The problem isn't with any particular software configuration-- this problem has spanned three different Macs with entirely different hardware and software configurations (Pagemaker being one of the few common denominators). I will delve deeper into the question of the low-res scans-- if I find out anything, I will let you know! Likewise, if by some miracle your images start appearing in color, let me know what you did-- I'm at wits' end! Mike Kirby Tappi Journal Editorial Production Assistant mailto:mkirby@tappi.org 11-Sep-1995 13:38:45-GMT,1917;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA28164 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:38:43 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA11031; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:37:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA10993 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:35:25 -0500 X-Sender: gjb2@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:41:42 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: gjb2@cornell.edu (Gwendolyn J Barrett) Subject: Also re Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gjb2@cornell.edu (Gwendolyn J Barrett) Since I'm also a newbie, I've been waiting in the background for someone to ask the question I needed to ask--I know, I'm a chicken. I am using a Power Macintosh with PageMaker 5.0. I've got a PM5 document with Excel 5 charts (both by paste and subscription to see if it made any difference--it didn't). I've printed my PS file from PageMaker using both the Distiller PPD and a general color PPD--made no difference. The thumbnails in Exchange appear to have the colors--though they don't match exactly, which I realize they won't--at least you can distinguish one slice of pie from the next. However, in the page view the slices are indistinguishable; they're all gray--the same shade. The same is true with other graph types. Any suggestions? ***************************** Gwendolyn (Wendy) Barrett Admin. Asst. ARME Dept. Cornell University 348 Warren Hall Ithaca, NY 14853-7801 607/255-1581 Internet: gjb2@cornell.edu URL: cpdmp.arme.cornell.edu/ people/WBarrett.html ***************************** 11-Sep-1995 15:00:48-GMT,990;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA28687 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:00:38 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11420; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:45:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA11348 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:40:40 -0700 From: "Art Candelas" Subject: Catalog and Windows NT 3.5. To: "PDF-L" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Art Candelas" Is Catalog compatible with Windows NT 3.5.1? All of my index builds are failing due to insufficient rights yet I have full access to the directories. Art Candelas 11-Sep-1995 15:05:46-GMT,2564;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA28744 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:05:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11613; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:02:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA11552 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:01:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 10:59 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: gjb2@cornell.edu (Gwendolyn J Barrett), pdf-l@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Also re Graphics in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) At 9:41 AM 9/11/95, Gwendolyn J Barrett wrote: >Since I'm also a newbie, I've been waiting in the background for someone to >ask the question I needed to ask--I know, I'm a chicken. I am using a >Power Macintosh with PageMaker 5.0. I've got a PM5 document with Excel 5 >charts (both by paste and subscription to see if it made any difference--it >didn't). I've printed my PS file from PageMaker using both the Distiller >PPD and a general color PPD--made no difference. The thumbnails in >Exchange appear to have the colors--though they don't match exactly, which >I realize they won't--at least you can distinguish one slice of pie from >the next. However, in the page view the slices are indistinguishable; >they're all gray--the same shade. The same is true with other graph types. >Any suggestions? > >***************************** > Gwendolyn (Wendy) Barrett > Admin. Asst. > ARME Dept. > Cornell University > 348 Warren Hall > Ithaca, NY 14853-7801 > 607/255-1581 > Internet: gjb2@cornell.edu > URL: cpdmp.arme.cornell.edu/ > people/WBarrett.html >***************************** Wendy, as I said in another pessage, Make certain you are using the LaserPrinter 8.0 driver or later. The next thing is to install the Distiller Acrobat PPD into the Printer Descriptions Folder that resides in the Extensions Folder (that is in the Systems Folder) of the Mac. (It's in the Xtras folder in the Distiller package) After you have done this, , go to the PM Print Dialog box and select the Adobe Distiller Driver. From there, the processed PDF files should definitely work because the Distiller driver is a color output "device. Bob Moran. 11-Sep-1995 15:08:12-GMT,4102;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA28784 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:08:10 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11612; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:02:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA11551 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:01:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 10:59 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 3192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mkirby@tappi.org, pdf-l@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Graphics in PDFs -Reply Cc: tone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) >I'm another Acrobat newbie with another question about graphics. (At >least you're not suffering alone, Marti.) > >Does anyone know why an image that appears in full color in a >PageMaker 5.0 for Mac document would become a black and white >image when converted to a pdf and viewed via that same Mac running >Exchange? > >The image is an 8-1/2 x 11 TIFF, and I've tried JPEG and LZW >compression. > > >Terri Stone ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >I have had a similar problem, to which I've never found a solution. It was >a real mystery (and perhaps still is), but I think I'm closing in on the >answer: > >My particular PDF quest is to get our magazine put into the format, for >later repurposing into CD-ROM and on-line services. The problem is that >we have such a great working relationship with our printer-- we send all >photos which are to appear in the magazine, and they make high and >low-res scans of the images, sending us the low-res files. I am not yet >versed enough in the Mac side of things to figure out just WHAT kind of >format they are giving us, but it works (I don't work on the layout of the >magazine, I just work on the 'new technologies'.. lucky me). It works, >that is, until I try to print to postscript and PDF the sucker-- black and >white images, through and through. > >My problem isn't with the printer drivers-- they are pulling all the color >information out of the rest of the file just fine (color backgrounds, etc.) >We got a color printer the other day (300 dpi, just to give us some idea of >how things look on paper), and tried printing these same files to the color >printer (not PSing them and not PDFing them, either). Guess what? >Black and white photos with color backgrounds! > >We have a suspicion now that the problem is with the low-res scans. I >believe they are scanning them for CMYK output-- would this interfere >with PDFing them to display on-screen? The problem isn't with any >particular software configuration-- this problem has spanned three >different Macs with entirely different hardware and software >configurations (Pagemaker being one of the few common denominators). > >I will delve deeper into the question of the low-res scans-- if I find out >anything, I will let you know! Likewise, if by some miracle your images >start appearing in color, let me know what you did-- I'm at wits' end! > >Mike Kirby >Tappi Journal Editorial Production Assistant >mailto:mkirby@tappi.org Mike, Terry. Make certain you are using the LaserPrinter 8.0 driver or later. The next thing is to install the Distiller Acrobat PPD into the Printer Descriptions Folder that resides in the Extensions Folder (that is in the Systems Folder) of the Mac.(It's in the Xtras folder in the Distiller package) After you have done this, , go to the PM Print Dialog box and select the Adobe Distiller Driver. From there, the processed PDF files should definitely work because the Distiller driver is a virtual color output "device". Mike, suggest to the designers creating the books to go to either RGB or 8 bit color in the bitmaps for PDF output. This should clear up the problem on color images for your color printer. Hope this helps. Bob Moran. 11-Sep-1995 15:20:20-GMT,1225;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA28916 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:20:18 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11844; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:18:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA11813 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:17:36 -0500 From: MRemingtn@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <950911111214_96491055@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PageMaker PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: MRemingtn@aol.com In a message dated 95-09-09 05:09:11 EDT, Michael McHugh writes: >If you are using PageMaker and doing a lot of PDF publishing. PageMaker 6 >is worth the upgrade just for the new PDF support, but there are also a >slew of additional new (some long awaited) features that make PM 6 pretty >irresistible... > > I'm anxious to use PM 6.0, but after talking with Adobe reps last week I understand PC users will have to wait till the end of October for the upgrade. Marti (still tussling with tifs...) 11-Sep-1995 19:14:54-GMT,1798;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA01635 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:14:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA12833; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:27:19 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA12806 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:25:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:30:16 -0400 From: Theresa Norton To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: jim@wpo.jhpiego.org Subject: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Theresa Norton (Windows) We are having a problem with line breaks and page breaks shifting when we run our WordPerfect 6.0a for Windows documents through Acrobat Exchange 2.0. I would appreciate any insight anyone can offer. (I have been wading through the technical notes from Adobe.) We had been using the Times New Roman TrueType font in our documents. One person at Adobe tech support told us that the only way to avoid shifting was to use the Times Type 1 font. Another person at tech support told us that the only way to avoid shifting was to format our documents in WordPerfect with the Adobe PDFWriter printer driver selected. By the way, the documents have two columns with full justification. I read a tech note saying that PDFWriter does not understand the WordPerfect justification command. Is this part of the problem? Thanks to all who can respond. Theresa Norton JHPIEGO (Johns Hopkins University) theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org 11-Sep-1995 19:17:31-GMT,1754;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA01671 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:17:29 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12571; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:47:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA12493 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:42:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:34:59 +0100 Message-ID: <05465f30@mail.bl.uk> From: Richard.Masters@mail.bl.uk (Richard Masters) Subject: Acrobat security To: pdf-l@emrg.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard.Masters@mail.bl.uk (Richard Masters) Have there been any independent reports on the security in Acrobat? I would be interested to know just how secure my PDF file is when I send it to someone with the "Open password" set. Thanks. Richard Masters +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard Masters Phone: +44 1937 546888 Fax: +44 1937 546872 | | | | richard.masters@bl.uk | | X400:/g=richard/s=masters/ou=london/o=british library/prmd=uk.bl/c=gb/ | | | | C&T, The British Library, Boston Spa, West Yorkshire LS23 7BQ, England | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 11-Sep-1995 19:17:38-GMT,1102;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA01675 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:17:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12136; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:44:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA12008 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:37:26 -0500 From: Wayne.G.Marsh@cdev.com X-Sender: wgm08454@aurora.cdev.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:36:28 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PageMaker 6.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Wayne.G.Marsh@cdev.com I received my PM 6 upgrade, but can't run it. I've only got 8 MB in my elderly Mac IIx, or about 5.7 MB after System file is loaded. PM 6.0 absolutely requires 6 MB minimum; I know, because I tried it at 5.7 MB and it failed to launch. Fortunately, my 32-MB 8500 is on order... 11-Sep-1995 19:54:42-GMT,2258;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA02065 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:54:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13450; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:51:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13412 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:49:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 15:48 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Theresa Norton From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com, jim@wpo.jhpiego.org Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) At 1:30 PM 9/11/95, Theresa Norton wrote: >We are having a problem with line breaks and page breaks shifting when >we run our WordPerfect 6.0a for Windows documents through Acrobat >Exchange 2.0. I would appreciate any insight anyone can offer. (I have >been wading through the technical notes from Adobe.) > >We had been using the Times New Roman TrueType font in our >documents. One person at Adobe tech support told us that the only way >to avoid shifting was to use the Times Type 1 font. Another person at >tech support told us that the only way to avoid shifting was to format our >documents in WordPerfect with the Adobe PDFWriter printer driver >selected. By the way, the documents have two columns with full >justification. I read a tech note saying that PDFWriter does not >understand the WordPerfect justification command. Is this part of the >problem? Thanks to all who can respond. > >Theresa Norton >JHPIEGO (Johns Hopkins University) >theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org Theresa, Type one fonts are better supported by Adobe and PDF wirter works fine for any files that do not include EPS graphics. As for the Word Perfect particulars, I really cannot say. Just make sure you have the lates ATM driver for your machine. I think the latest for Windows is 3.0. Hope this helps. Bob 11-Sep-1995 21:19:29-GMT,1134;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA02900 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:19:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA13988; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:17:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA13958 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:16:25 -0500 Date: 11 Sep 95 17:11:51 EDT From: To: Subject: Printing PDF with the StyleWriter Driver Message-ID: <950911211151_702420.204300_BHD69-4@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Anyone (Bueler?), I have a client who is having trouble printing to the Apple StyleWriter driver from Acrobat Exchange LE 2.0. She says the job queues up OK, but then it never finishes/locks the machine. All other aspects of the software seem to be fine. Any ideas/experiences you could share? Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing 11-Sep-1995 21:22:17-GMT,2334;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA02939 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:22:15 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14066; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:21:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14028 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:20:02 -0500 From: "James R. Stahr" Message-Id: <199509112119.QAA01104@smokies.binc.net> Subject: RE: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 (fwd) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:19:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1428 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "James R. Stahr" Please send responses to this message at pdf-l@emrg.com or AbrahamP@PO02.PL.unisys.com. This message was mistakenly mailed to owner-pdf-l@emrg.com. Forwarded message: > From AbrahamP@PO02.PL.unisys.com Mon Sep 11 14:37:09 1995 > From: "Abraham, Philip C PL" > To: owner-pdf-l > Subject: RE: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 15:35:00 CDT > Message-Id: <30549127@po4.cp.unisys.com> > Encoding: 17 TEXT > X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > > > we run our WordPerfect 6.0a for Windows documents through Acrobat > Exchange 2.0. I would appreciate any insight anyone can offer. (I have > been wading through the technical notes from Adobe.)> > > This sounds very much like the problem we experienced when > writers/publishers used different postscript driver/printer definition to > produce Postscript output for printers then for files. We would get line > endings and page breaks changing from selection to selection. This was only > resolved by selecting a driver/definition combination, and printing to the > printer and to the file with the same combination. The resulting file, when > run through Distiller produced identical results to the printed output. > > Phil Abraham > Unisys > abrahamp@po02.pl.unisys.com > 11-Sep-1995 21:26:43-GMT,3513;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA02975 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:26:40 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14213; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:25:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14182 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:24:24 -0500 From: "James R. Stahr" Message-Id: <199509112123.QAA01132@smokies.binc.net> Subject: Re: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 (fwd) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:23:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2607 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "James R. Stahr" Please send responses to this message at pdf-l@emrg.com or Dembek@PO02.PL.unisys.com. This message was mistakenly mailed to owner-pdf-l@emrg.com. Forwarded message: > From Dembek@PO02.PL.unisys.com Mon Sep 11 16:12:21 1995 > From: "Dembek, Raymond F PL" > To: owner-pdf-l > Subject: Re: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 17:11:00 CDT > Message-Id: <3054A777@po4.cp.unisys.com> > Return-Receipt-To: > Encoding: 46 TEXT > X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > > > When I receive a note in my Microsoft Mail InTray, it looks as in the below. > Usually, I have no idea who is sending a message. For Example in the > below, who is "Bob"? Is there any way you can assure the name of the mail > senders are included in the messages? Or is the idea to not include > individual names to maximize information to the entire group? > > Thanks, Ray Dembek, Unisys Corp. > ---------- > >From: owner-pdf-l > >To: Theresa Norton > >Cc: PDF-L; jim > >Subject: Re: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 > >Date: Monday, September 11, 1995 3:48PM > > > >At 1:30 PM 9/11/95, Theresa Norton wrote: > >>We are having a problem with line breaks and page breaks shifting when > >>we run our WordPerfect 6.0a for Windows documents through Acrobat > >>Exchange 2.0. I would appreciate any insight anyone can offer. (I have > >>been wading through the technical notes from Adobe.) > >> > >>We had been using the Times New Roman TrueType font in our > >>documents. One person at Adobe tech support told us that the only way > >>to avoid shifting was to use the Times Type 1 font. Another person at > >>tech support told us that the only way to avoid shifting was to format our > >>documents in WordPerfect with the Adobe PDFWriter printer driver > >>selected. By the way, the documents have two columns with full > >>justification. I read a tech note saying that PDFWriter does not > >>understand the WordPerfect justification command. Is this part of the > >>problem? Thanks to all who can respond. > >> > >>Theresa Norton > >>JHPIEGO (Johns Hopkins University) > >>theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org > > > >Theresa, Type one fonts are better supported by Adobe and PDF wirter works > >fine for any files that do not include EPS graphics. As for the Word > >Perfect particulars, I really cannot say. Just make sure you have the lates > >ATM driver for your machine. I think the latest for Windows is 3.0. > > > >Hope this helps. > > > >Bob > > > > > > > 12-Sep-1995 1:39:50-GMT,883;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA05304 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:39:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA15200; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:12:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA15172 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:11:27 -0500 From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Reply-To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat Date: 12 Sep 1995 00:25:02 GMT Message-Id: <36863.15159935@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) How do I unscribe this thing? Sorry about this goofy question... James 12-Sep-1995 9:57:22-GMT,2286;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id DAA08381 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:57:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA17429; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:23:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA17395 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:20:33 -0500 X400-Received: by mta sun2.mhs-relay.ac.uk in /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:19:36 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=UK.BL/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:16:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:16:22 +0100 X400-Originator: Richard.Masters@london.british-library.uk X400-Recipients: pdf-l@emrg.com X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.BL/ADMD= /C=GB/;CCX400 Sep 12 10:16:22 1995] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 201610120995 From: Richard.Masters@london.british-library.uk Message-ID: <"201610120995*/G=Richard/S=Masters/OU=LONDON/O=BRITISH LIBRARY/PRMD=UK.BL/ADMD= /C=GB/"@MHS> To: pdf-l@emrg.com (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: Acrobat security - take 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard.Masters@london.british-library.uk I do not know what happened to my message yesterday: PDF-Digest only had the header. A repeat performance... Have there been any independent reports on the security in Acrobat? I would be interested to know just how secure my PDF file is when I send it to someone with the "Open password" set. Thanks. Richard Masters +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard Masters Phone: +44 1937 546888 Fax: +44 1937 546872 | | | | richard.masters@bl.uk | | X400:/g=richard/s=masters/ou=london/o=british library/prmd=uk.bl/c=gb/ | | | | C&T, The British Library, Boston Spa, West Yorkshire LS23 7BQ, England | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 12-Sep-1995 12:59:10-GMT,1377;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA09153 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:59:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA18067; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:30:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA18029 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:27:08 -0500 From: "Abraham, Philip C PL" To: PDF listserv send Subject: Downloadable fonts Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 08:26:00 CDT Message-Id: <30557DC0@po4.cp.unisys.com> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Abraham, Philip C PL" I have some postscript files, some of which contain 'only' the downloadable fonts for some documents. If I send the font files to a printer, before sending the document file itself, the output from the printer is fine. The question is, how can I utilize these fonts files in Acrobat Distiller? I only have the downloadable Postscript font files. I've tried joining the files, but Distiller still says 'can't find font xyz, substituting Courier'. Any ideas? Phil Abraham Unisys abrahamp@po02.pl.unisys.com 12-Sep-1995 15:00:31-GMT,1736;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA09991 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:00:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA18657; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:54:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA18616 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:51:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199509121451.JAA22890@glacier.binc.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 10:48:19 -0400 From: Peter Crimmin To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Any Acrobat people using FrameMaker 5.0 for PC ? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Peter Crimmin Please help correct/clarify my understanding about hyperlinks. To create an Acrobat PDF using FrameMaker, I generate a PS file and then use the Distiller. I'm told that Frame 5.0 (windows) will embed the necessary info into the PS file so that the distiller can re-create all the hyperlinks (cross references) that were already in my Frame document. Does anyone know if this works in FM5? -- Peter -- *------------------------------------------------------------------* * * * Peter Crimmin | Vicorp Interactive Systems, Inc. * * Tel: (617) 859-1287 | 399 Boylston Street * * Fax: (617) 536-6647 | Boston, MA 02116 USA * * Email: pcrimmin@vis.com | * * | * *------------------------------------------------------------------* 12-Sep-1995 15:03:57-GMT,2681;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA10032 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:03:49 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA18735; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:59:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA18706 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:58:43 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Message-Id: <199509121458.AA16977@hoover.gilbarco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 11:00:40 est To: Peter Crimmin , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Any Acrobat people using FrameMaker 5.0 for PC ? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com It works with FM5 for the PowerMac. +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. >______________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Any Acrobat people using FrameMaker 5.0 for PC ? >From: Peter Crimmin at ~GATEWAY >Date: 9/12/95 10:48 AM > >Please help correct/clarify my understanding about hyperlinks. > >To create an Acrobat PDF using FrameMaker, I generate a PS file and >then use the Distiller. I'm told that Frame 5.0 (windows) will embed >the necessary info into the PS file so that the distiller can >re-create all the hyperlinks (cross references) that were already in >my Frame document. > >Does anyone know if this works in FM5? Received: by ccmail from hoover.gilbarco.com >From owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Envelope-From: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by mark.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA14150 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:54:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA18639; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:52:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA18616 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:51:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199509121451.JAA22890@glacier.binc.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 10:48:19 -0400 From: Peter Crimmin To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Any Acrobat people using FrameMaker 5.0 for PC ? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Peter Crimmin 12-Sep-1995 15:44:25-GMT,3244;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA10552 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:44:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18963; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:19:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA18935 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:18:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 10:14:57 PDT From: Bill Behr Subject: RE: Shifting line breaks/page breaks with Acrobat Exchange 2.0 To: Theresa Norton Cc: Emerge PDF Discussion Group X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bill Behr >We are having a problem with line breaks and page breaks shifting when >we run our WordPerfect 6.0a for Windows documents through Acrobat >Exchange 2.0.... > >..... One person at Adobe tech support told us that the only way >to avoid shifting was to use the Times Type 1 font. Another person at >tech support told us that the only way to avoid shifting was to format our >documents in WordPerfect with the Adobe PDFWriter printer driver >selected.... >Theresa Norton >JHPIEGO (Johns Hopkins University) >theresan@wpo.jhpiego.org > > Theresa, I have used WordPerfect for Windows extensively when utilizing the PDFWriter in a newsletter I publish. I experienced the same problem you mentioned, but only when I would create the original document and *then* select the PDFWriter for the creation of the PDF. As the second Adobe rep told you, *first* select the PDFWriter printer driver *before* creating your document. Otherwise when using WP columns, you will have those problems. Once I utilized the strategy of always making certain the PDFWriter driver was selected prior to the creation of any document I wished to ultimately convert to PDF, I didn't have further problems. Another suggestion, if you are having problems with the resulting size of the PDF's created from WordPerfect using the PDFWriter, I would give you a suggestion I received from an Acrobat expert on this list. Once your PDF is created, print it to disk to create a postscript file. Then use the Distiller to create a new PDF from the postscript file generated from Exchange. This will further help to reduce the size of the PDF with virtually no change in the document's appearance. Using this workaround, I was able to reduce a 3.6 MB PDF to 1.9 MB. A huge difference considering my newsletter in PDF is distributed from my web site. Good luck! Bill Behr ----------------------------------------------- From: William G. Behr, Senior Associate CB Commercial Real Estate Group, Inc. Fort Worth/Dallas, Texas (817) 861-7711 E-mail: wgbehr@onramp.net WWW: http://rampages.onramp.net/~wgbehr/ Date: 09/12/95 Time: 10:14:58 Central Time This message was sent by Chameleon ----------------------------------------------- 12-Sep-1995 17:16:09-GMT,1144;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA11537 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:16:05 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19457; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:11:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA19411 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:06:28 -0500 From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 12:01:47 cst Message-Id: <9508128109.AA810932507@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: DOS WordPerfect 5.1 to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Has anyone ever made a a Postscript file from within a DOS Wordperfect 5.1 file? I have a large number of DOS files, and I'd rather not add the extra step of converting them to Windows. Terri Stone ........................................... Information Services College of Agricultural, Consumer and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois ta-stone@uiuc.edu (217)244-2829 12-Sep-1995 18:25:16-GMT,3479;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA12304 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:25:13 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19776; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:23:19 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA19716 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:22:38 -0500 From: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:22:33 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: DOS WordPerfect 5.1 to PDF Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <58CCE452D4F@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Jack Solock/Ag Econ/TH Lib" From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date sent: Tue, 12 Sep 95 12:01:47 cst To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: DOS WordPerfect 5.1 to PDF Has anyone ever made a a Postscript file from within a DOS Wordperfect 5.1 file? I have a large number of DOS files, and I'd rather not add the extra step of converting them to Windows. Terri Stone ........................................... Information Services College of Agricultural, Consumer and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois ta-stone@uiuc.edu (217)244-2829 =============================================================================== I have done about 50 of them, Terri. In fact my experience is that you DO NOT want to convert the WP5.1 documents to Windows WP because they get messed up (format, font, etc.) by WP in the conversion, so that when you run them through the PDF writer (or to Postscript), they don't look the same. All you need to do is print your documents to a POSTSCRIPT PRINTER as follows. Shift F7 (Print) Select (a postscript printer--check with your sysadmin to install one if you don't already have one installed). 3--Edit 2--Port 8--Other and then enter a filename. If you have Distiller installed with a watched directory of c:\acrodist\in, enter your filename as: c:\acrodist\in\filename.ps Then print. Then open the Distiller in Windows and it will automatically create the .PDF from the .PS file for you. Then you can put the .PDF into Exchange and do any other neat stuff you want with it (hypertext links, bookmarks, security, etc.--I believe you can set thumbnails from within the Distiller), and then save again. Presto. You have a .PDF from a DOS WordPer- fect file, and it will look like it is supposed to. Hope this helps. Jack Solock | Agriculture is the mother and Taylor-Hibbard Library | nourisher of all other arts: Department of Agricultural Economics | when agriculture is well University of Wisconsin-Madison | conducted, all other arts 427 Lorch St. #106 | prosper; when agriculture is Madison, WI 53706 | neglected, all other arts decay, (608) 262-9488 | on the land and on the sea. Jack@agecon.wisc.edu | | Xenophon--431-354 B.C. http://www.wisc.edu/agecon | (Economico, V) U.W. Ag. Econ. Home Page gopher://calshp.cals.wisc.edu click on Agricultural Economics Publica- tions--U.W. Ag. Econ. Gopher 12-Sep-1995 18:46:29-GMT,2087;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA12537 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:46:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19903; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:40:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA19875 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:40:25 -0500 X-Sender: gjb2@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:46:36 -0400 To: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu, PDF-L@emrg.com From: gjb2@cornell.edu (Gwendolyn J Barrett) Subject: Re: DOS WordPerfect 5.1 to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gjb2@cornell.edu (Gwendolyn J Barrett) >Has anyone ever made a a Postscript file from within a DOS Wordperfect 5.1 >file? >I have a large number of DOS files, and I'd rather not add the extra step of >converting them to Windows. > >Terri Stone >........................................... I have done this in the past. I will try to reconstruct what I did. Go into the print menu and choose "select printer"; choose a POSTSCRIPT driver; and then choose "edit"; at this menu, choose number 2 (port), choose "other", type in name for the file (*.ps) and enter enough times to get back to the print menu; print the document. Make sure you go back and change the port back to your normal setting or you may wonder why it doesn't print to the printer next time. Hope this helps you. ****************************************************************************** Wendy Barrett, Admin. Asst. Cornell Program on Dairy Markets and Policy ARME Dept., Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853-7801 e-mail: gjb2@cornell.edu 607/255-1581 URL: cpdmp.arme.cornell.edu/people/WBarrett.html ****************************************************************************** 12-Sep-1995 19:25:22-GMT,1274;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA12999 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:25:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA20257; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:23:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA20196 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:22:46 -0500 From: djh@arinc.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:20:34 -0400 To: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: DOS WordPerfect 5.1 to PDF Message-Id: <95Sep12.152240edt.30740@interlock.arinc.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: djh@arinc.com You asked about converting WP5.1 to PDF. I have done this with a number of policy bulletins at my company. I "printed" them to PostScript files (by selecting a PostScript driver and printing to file), and then used the Distiller to convert the PostScript to PDF. It worked great. I used a macro and a batch file to do the WP printing to PostScript and the copying of the PS file to the Distiller's "inbox" directory, so this basically ran unattended overnight. Cheers. David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com 12-Sep-1995 21:27:17-GMT,4954;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA14483 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:26:42 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20701; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:17:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20656 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:13:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9509130011.AA0369@s2kext.s2k.com> To: PDF-L From: Ritchie Kolnos Date: 12 Sep 95 17:08:25 EDT Subject: Re: Automated insertion of PDF markers from MS Word Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Ritchie Kolnos On Sept 7th, Tom Thiersch of Solutions Software wrote: >I have a requirement to create Acrobat Bookmarks and/or other links in an >automated manner; the manual method of inserting these with Acrobat Exchange >is too time-consuming and error-prone to consider for the many thousands of >such Bookmarks that I will have to create. >Starting with a MS Word for Windows DOC file, my goal is to create Bookmarks >in the final PDF file that correspond with specific Headings (including the >Headings' texts) in the DOC file. Our company has the same need, so I was able to write a WordBasic macro to accomplish this feat! I just put the finishing touches on the macro last week, so I am anxious to share my experiences with all MS Word -->PDF enthusiasts. Our company provides a CD of all our product documentation in PDF format (about 95 documents), and I figure this macro will save us hundreds of hours of work by cutting out the manual method of bookmark creation. Overview: In our source .DOC file, we use the built-in Word styles called Heading 1, Heading 2, and Heading 3. My goal was to automatically create bookmarks in the PDF file that correspond to these heading levels (we chose to only reference headings 1 and 2, but you could do more if desired). The key to the whole macro is the use of the {PRINT} field in Word. The {PRINT} field in Word allows you to insert printer-specific (i.e. Postscript) code in the .DOC file. With a little bit of understanding of the PDFMARK Reference Manual published by Adobe, I was able to combine the {PRINT} field with the correct postscript code to make it work. Let's look at an example: Suppose you had a Heading 1 that read "Introduction to Our Product". You would need to insert the following Word field code either before or after the text string: {PRINT \p page "[/Title (Introduction to Our Product) /Page wp$page /View [/FitB] /Count 7 /OUT pdfmark" } You would need to repeat this procedure for every heading level that you wanted to appear automatically in the bookmark list of the resulting PDF file. Then, print the .DOC file to a postscript file, process the postscript file using Distiller, and, viola, you have a PDF file with automatically-generated bookmarks. Note the "Count" parameter in the code string above. If you have heading levels that are subordinate to each other, and you want them to automatically appear "indented" in the bookmark list, you need to know how many heading 2s appear under a heading 1. This was the hardest part of my macro - what WordBasic commands could I use to automatically count up the number of headings that are subordinate to another heading level. Fortunately, I was able to figure it out. Here is What the Macro Does: 1. Searches the document for the first occurrence of Heading 1. 2. Counts the number of Heading 2s under the Heading 1 (remember you need this information for the "Count" parameter) 3. Inserts the {PRINT} field code information (as stated in PDFMARK Reference Manual) after the Heading 1 string. 4. Searches for the next occurrence of Heading 1 and repeats steps 2 and 3. 5. When it reaches the end of the document it then goes back to the beginning and repeats the process for Heading 2s. Comments, Observations, Etc. I have tested the macro extensively, without any problems, using both the Windows and the Mac version of Distiller. Most our manuals consist of 20-30 individual .DOC files rather than one large .DOC file, but I wouldn't think there would be a problem with file size. After I generate the individual PDF files, I then combine them using Exchange into one large PDF file (500+ pages). Depending on file size, of course, the macro takes just seconds to run. My apologies for such a long-winded message, but I hope this procedure makes sense for all of you MS Word authors. Please contact me via e-mail or through this mailing list if you desire more details. Ritchie Kolnos Developer, Publishing Systems Software 2000, Inc. 25 Communications Way Hyannis, MA 02601 (508) 790-6123 Ritchie_Kolnos@s2k.com 12-Sep-1995 22:37:38-GMT,1102;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA15004 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:37:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21053; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:34:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA21022 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:31:22 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 18:20:20 PST Message-Id: <9508128109.AA810945114@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Scripts 4 rotating pages Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >>What I need >>is a script that will use Acrobat Exchange and rotate all the pages 90 degrees >>to the left. For details on scripting Acrobat to do such things, see: http://www.adobe.com/PDFs/TN/5155.acroiac.pdf AppleScript, DDE and OLE are documented in this technote. Scripts can perform this function easily. Gary Cosimini ADOBE NY 13-Sep-1995 14:01:27-GMT,1548;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA20604 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:01:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA24395; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:59:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA24366 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:57:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 14:56 BST-1 From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Re: Acrobat Security To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) In-Reply-To: <199509130450.XAA22179@grandcanyon.binc.net> >Have there been any independent reports on the security in Acrobat? I >would be interested to know just how secure my PDF file is when I send >it to someone with the "Open password" set. As with all proprietary encryption systems, they are perfectly adequate to stop your secretary, staff or children from reading things that they shouldn't. But if my business depended on supplying information that could only be read by certain people, I'd use something like DES or RSA or IDEA (as found in PGP). I don't know of any official evaluations of Acrobat's security but bearing in mind that it is available worldwide, it can't be as strong as any of the 3 algorithms I mentioned. R. 13-Sep-1995 16:17:45-GMT,2175;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA22318 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:17:15 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25063; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:07:17 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA25036 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:06:16 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:06:23 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: dmckinnon@rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Diane McKinnon) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for September-12-95 [V1 #33] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dmckinnon@rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Diane McKinnon) From: "Abraham, Philip C PL" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 08:26:00 CDT Subject: Downloadable fonts I have some postscript files, some of which contain 'only' the downloadable fonts for some documents. If I send the font files to a printer, before sending the document file itself, the output from the printer is fine. The question is, how can I utilize these fonts files in Acrobat Distiller? I only have the downloadable Postscript font files. I've tried joining the files, but Distiller still says 'can't find font xyz, substituting Courier'. Any ideas? Phil Abraham Unisys abrahamp@po02.pl.unisys.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Phil, If you are using Mac or Windows,there are a couple of things that might help. When you write the PS file for distilling, select "none" for font inclusion. Instead, when you open Distiller, pull down the distiller menu and select "font locations". The dialogue box will query for the folder or directory where the fonts are located and that location will be saved. In the Mac world you should direct distiller to embed specific fonts to the PDF file by selecting "Fonting Embedding " from the distiller menu. This should fix the problem. 13-Sep-1995 16:36:13-GMT,1546;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA22498 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:36:11 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25248; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:32:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA25212 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:31:22 -0500 X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@postoffice.brown.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:31:55 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: Re: Acrobat Security Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) >As with all proprietary encryption systems, they are perfectly adequate >to stop your secretary, staff or children from reading things that they >shouldn't. But if my business depended on supplying information that >could only be read by certain people, I'd use something like DES or RSA >or IDEA (as found in PGP). > >I don't know of any official evaluations of Acrobat's security but >bearing in mind that it is available worldwide, it can't be as strong as >any of the 3 algorithms I mentioned. Acrobat (2.0) uses RSA's RC4=81 Symmetric Stream Cipher. See the Adobe press release at http://www.adobe.com/PDFs/PR/9501/rsa.pdf 13-Sep-1995 22:15:44-GMT,1815;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA25502 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:15:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26388; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:02:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26352 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:54:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199509132153.QAA10760@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 17:50:44 -0400 From: Peter Crimmin To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: What do you know about Catalog? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Peter Crimmin I have sketchy, second-hand information about the Catalog product. Adobe Catalog? My understanding is that it is a plug-in search engine that has the following advantages: * search across multiple files * complex searches (regular expressions?) * indexes (for faster searches) Questions: * Am I correct that, without Catalog, users of the Reader can only search the currently open document? * What is the approx cost of Catalog? * Is there a cost to distribute Catalog w/ the Reader? -- Peter -- *------------------------------------------------------------------* * * * Peter Crimmin | Vicorp Interactive Systems, Inc. * * Tel: (617) 859-1287 | 399 Boylston Street * * Fax: (617) 536-6647 | Boston, MA 02116 USA * * Email: pcrimmin@vis.com | * * | * *------------------------------------------------------------------* 14-Sep-1995 11:11:34-GMT,2693;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA00874 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:11:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA29368; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:09:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA29335 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:05:36 -0500 From: djh@arinc.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:01:44 -0400 To: Peter Crimmin , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: What do you know about Catalog? Message-Id: <95Sep14.070330edt.30732@interlock.arinc.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: djh@arinc.com > I have sketchy, second-hand information about the Catalog product. > Adobe Catalog? > My understanding is that it is a plug-in search engine that has the > following advantages: > * search across multiple files > * complex searches (regular expressions?) > * indexes (for faster searches) This is close but not entirely correct. Catalog is a standalone product that builds the full-text indexes for collections of documents. To search collections of documents, you need to have Acrobat Exchange, and also have access to one or more indexes built by Catalog. > Questions: > * Am I correct that, without Catalog, users of the Reader can only > search the currently open document? Users of the Reader can only search the current document, whether or not it's been indexed with Catalog. Users of Exchange can open indexes built by Catalog and search them. Exchange is a souped-up Reader with a few other useful functions besides full-text searching built in. > * What is the approx cost of Catalog? I think that the list price is $500 for one copy. And of course, you only need one copy to build the indexes and distribute them. It's up to the end user to have Exchange in order to search the indexes you create. If you need copies of Exchange and/or a license for the Acrobat Distiller in addition to Catalog, a more cost-effective way to get them is through Acrobat for Workgroups, which bundles one Distiller license, one Catalog license, and 10 Exchange licenses for a LIST price of $1500. I think that Exchange licenses are around $100 each. > * Is there a cost to distribute Catalog w/ the Reader? You can't distribute the standalone indexing product Catalog, but you can distribute indexes that it generates for free. As noted above, though, that doesn't give users full-text, cross-document search capabilities unless they have licenses for Exchange. Good luck! David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com 14-Sep-1995 13:10:08-GMT,1282;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA01492 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 07:10:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29811; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:05:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29778 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:04:36 -0500 From: Michael_C_Kabot.Roch817@xerox.com X-NS-Transport-ID: 08003700622705CB33C0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:03:19 PDT Subject: Adobe Capture "Strategy" files To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-to: kabot.Roch817@xerox.com Message-ID: <"14-Sep-95 9:03:48".*.Michael_C_Kabot.Roch817@Xerox.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Michael_C_Kabot.Roch817@xerox.com I am trying to use Adobe Capture in a "batch" mode by giving it sets of files to process and then waiting at the other end for Capture to process them. I keep reading about "strategy" files that can set Capture options in this "batch" mode but I can not find information about them. I have looked on the Adobe WWW and FTP servers to no avail. Can anybody help??? Mike Kabot Solution Lead - DocuWeb Xerox Corporation 14-Sep-1995 13:22:03-GMT,3456;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA01583 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 07:21:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29917; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:20:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29888 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:20:04 -0500 From: mkirby@tappi.org Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:26:09 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: peter@vis.com Subject: What do you know about Catalog? -Reply Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mkirby@tappi.org Catalog is a program from Adobe which costs around $500 (on sale right now for $150 for current owners of Acrobat Exchange, I believe). What Catalog does is create a full text index for a specified set of PDF documents residing on a network (or on your own hard drive, of course). The size of the index file is approximately 30% of the size of all the PDF files combined. The index it creates is searchable with the "Acrobat Search" plug-in, which is included with the Acrobat Exchange program-- not the Reader, though. Reader 2.0 did not support plug-ins at all. Reader 2.1 does support plug-ins, but does not come with the Search plug-in. For web publishing, Acrobat Catalog is of limited (or no) use at the moment. For CD-ROM publishing, it is invaluable. Our company is putting an entire year's worth of our magazine, Tappi Journal, onto a CD-ROM in PDF. We are going to index the files with Acrobat Catalog, and include "Acrobat Search for CD-ROM", which is basically a copy of the reader with the search plug-in, with unlimited distribution rights for one title, for $695 (or $595, I'm not sure which). The Acrobat Search plug-in is a fantastic search engine-- I can create an index of hundreds of PDF files strewn across several network drives, and the search for any particular term within a PDF document will take only a couple seconds. The search will rank the finds in order of relevance (as the program interprets it, of course). Unfortunately, Acrobat Catalog will not enable a search to be conducted over a website. One would need the web version of this search indexing tool from Verity (http://www.verity.com) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Am I correct that, without Catalog, users of the Reader can only search the currently open document? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's correct.. the users of the Reader can never search more than the currently open document-- and the search is basically a simple "find" command, not really a boolean search engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * What is the approx cost of Catalog? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usually $500, it's available to users of Exchange (and/or Pro) 2.0 for $149. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Is there a cost to distribute Catalog w/ the Reader? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catalog is basically a production tool: the cost to distribute Acrobat Exchange LE can be anywhere from $9 to $5 a copy, depending on the license you buy (minimum purchase of 50 licenses, I believe. Contact R.R. Donnelly for a pricing scheme.. their URL is available at the Adobe Website I think (http://www.adobe.com)) Hope this info helps! Mike Kirby Tappi Journal Editorial Production Assistant Information Resources Center Database Assistant mailto:mkirby@tappi.org 14-Sep-1995 14:25:47-GMT,3290;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA02164 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:25:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA30351; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:24:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA30275 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:20:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199509141419.JAA02714@glacier.binc.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 15:17:43 BST From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Security in Acrobat Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford Further to rcent messages from Robert Sciffreen, Gordon Kent and others I'd like to add my own few cents worth on security issues. The RC4 algorithm from the RSA company has not, to my knowledge, been subjected to field testing and peer-review of cryptographic experts (unlike DES, PGP and other RSA algorithms). I have read somewhere that Bruce Schneier (whose recent Wiley textbook on these topics is very good) is of the opinion that RC4 is probably OK because it was developed by one of the world's very best cryptographers (Ron Rivest). Be that as it may, the doubts expressed by Schiffreen are absolutely valid. Even the strongest cryptosystems can be tackled by brute force if the key lengths are inadequate. The Internet newsgroups -- particularly alt.security.pgp, is a good source of discussion etc. on this point. The NSA in America is mightily upset about "strong" cryptography (i.e. messages that they can't crack) now being available worldwide by software such as PGP. Cryptosystems are regarded as "arms exports" and Phil Zimmerman -- the author of PGP -- is under threat of prosecution for allowing his methods to leak outside of the US. This is not to say that security agencies in other govts. are any less touchy on this subject: GCHQ in the UK backs NSA 100%; as far as I know it's illegal to send messages in France and the Netherlands that can't be cracked. On the other hand, the banks are leaning heavily on the various governments to allow security that is at least strong enough to be able to send credit card numbers safely over the Internet. The position seems to be that the US govt. has relented to the extent of allowing algorithms such as RC4 to be built in to Acrobat and Netscape software but with sufficiently short keylengths (40 bits or so) that NSA with a few Cray XMPs can decode anything they want. The problem is that computer power on desktops has increased so much that top end Crays etc. are no longer necessary. I've recently been told that a hacker in France has taken apart a (short keylength) RC4 message in just a few hours on a Pentium. The conclusion seems to be that Acrobat security is OK for deterring casual snoopers and for ensuring (say) that only registered subscribers to an on-line journal can easily read the latest issues. But if it's truly top-secret stuff you want to protect I certainly wouldn't trust *any* encryption method that the US Govt. actually *permits* software vendors to build in to their products .. David Brailsford 14-Sep-1995 15:11:51-GMT,1658;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA02723 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:11:49 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA30935; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:08:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA30898 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:08:22 -0500 X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@postoffice.brown.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:16:22 -0400 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: PDF Mark Questions Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@brown.edu (Gordon Kent) While investigating the uses of/for PDF Mark, I've come upon a number of questions. If you've used PDF Mark, or simply know what it is, I'd like to get your opinion. Are you using PDF Mark to edit PDF? Is it editing several items (like links, notes and page orientation) or just making small fixes (just changing one link)? How useful is it to have around, or would you prefer just editing the master document? With the easy of PDF creation, what role does PDF Mark really have for digital docs? And the biggie: Would you use PDF Mark like HTML? Thanks. _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ 14-Sep-1995 15:57:07-GMT,3509;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA03166 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:57:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA31267; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:51:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31236 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:50:37 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 11:30:04 PST Message-Id: <9508148110.AA811093857@ccmailtest.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF Mark Questions Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Gordon: Clipped from the pdfmark 2.0 reference manual: "The Acrobat Distiller converts PostScript t language files into Portable Document Format files. The Portable Document Format (PDF) includes special features for representing document annotations (notes), hypertext links, bookmarks, and page-cropping. Normally, this information is not present in a PostScript language file and therefore cannot be produced as part of the distilling process. "...Using pdfmark enables you to represent annotation, link, bookmark, file open, document info, and page-cropping information in PostScript language files. This information is processed by the Distiller program and converted to corresponding annotation, link, bookmark, catalog dictionary, info dictionary, and page-cropping objects in the resulting PDF file. The proper use of pdfmark makes it possible for an Independent Software Vendor (ISV) already supporting the PostScript language to support the added value of the Portable Document Format without having to write a PDF file directly." So you don't use pdfmark to edit PDF or change links, but to attach links and such to PostScript files so that Distiller will _apply_ them to the PDF for you. Basically it's an "open" technique for making "deeper" PDF files. Either your authoring tool can create the pdfmark, ala Frame or Ventura or Pagemaker, or you may generate pdfmark with word processor macros, or by processing links indenpendently in a database or spreadsheet, outside of the authoring application. This way, you don't have to wait for your favorite application to write PDF directly. Either way, pdfmark makes the transition to electronic documents smoother by proividing an alternative to making links in Exchnage. Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: PDF Mark Questions From: Gordon_Kent@brown.edu (Gordon Kent) at internet Date: 9/14/95 8:10 AM While investigating the uses of/for PDF Mark, I've come upon a number of questions. If you've used PDF Mark, or simply know what it is, I'd like to get your opinion. Are you using PDF Mark to edit PDF? Is it editing several items (like links, notes and page orientation) or just making small fixes (just changing one link)? How useful is it to have around, or would you prefer just editing the master document? With the easy of PDF creation, what role does PDF Mark really have for digital docs? And the biggie: Would you use PDF Mark like HTML? Thanks. _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ 14-Sep-1995 16:33:46-GMT,2771;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA03535 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:33:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA31499; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:29:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA31471 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:29:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:25:03 -0700 From: Tom Thiersch Message-Id: <199509141625.JAA13992@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Re: PDF Mark Questions To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tom Thiersch Gordon, I believe that users should never have to see PDFMark. All aspects of document composition should be done at a much higher level of abstraction, and certainly higher than HTML. Using a WYSIWYG document processor, with strict enforcement of styles (to ensure future reusability in document databases), should be a far more accurate and productive way of creating the desired output. PDFMark is, IMO, akin to programming in assembly language. Not to belittle the efforts of those who have mastered the intricacies of PS and PDFMark, but really, folks, isn't is about time that we got some decent, integrated, publishing tools that make all of this "bit-fiddling" unnecessary? Now, I see from monitoring this list and the Acrobat list that some products such as Frame are beginning to address this issue, but it sure sounds like there is still a VERY long way to go. "At least that's my opinion, I could be wrong..." Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:16:22 -0400 From: Gordon_Kent@brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: PDF Mark Questions To: PDF-L@emrg.com While investigating the uses of/for PDF Mark, I've come upon a number of questions. If you've used PDF Mark, or simply know what it is, I'd like to get your opinion. Are you using PDF Mark to edit PDF? Is it editing several items (like links, notes and page orientation) or just making small fixes (just changing one link)? How useful is it to have around, or would you prefer just editing the master document? With the easy of PDF creation, what role does PDF Mark really have for digital docs? And the biggie: Would you use PDF Mark like HTML? Thanks. _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ <---- End Included Message ----> 14-Sep-1995 17:17:10-GMT,7348;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA04108 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:17:05 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA31757; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:09:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA31726 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:08:18 -0500 From: amyh@ai.mit.edu (Amy Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:07:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199509141707.NAA06634@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu> To: thiersch@ccnet.ccnet.com Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com In-Reply-To: Tom Thiersch's message of Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:25:03 -0700 <199509141625.JAA13992@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: PDF Mark Questions Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: amyh@ai.mit.edu (Amy Hendrickson) Tom and Gordon: Actually, I think PDFMark is pretty great, but I agree that the users shouldn't see it. I've used it by embedding PDFMark commands into a LaTeX .sty file. When LaTeX processes the file using this style, all the links and bookmarks are written and are passed along to be used by Distiller. (For TeXies: written into the .dvi file, which passes them to the PostScript driver program which embeds them in the PostScript file it produces, which is used by Distiller) The approach of preprocessing your document before it hits Acrobat wins. First, no by-hand links need be made in Exchange (one consequence being that you can use lots and lots of links, for every index entry, for instance, with no overhead in terms of effort in entering the links). Second, every time you make a change to the file you can just re-TeX it and re-Distill it and your links will automatically be re-done. You can also pass along style and color information, automating the appearance of your .pdf file, and even turn colors into black when printing the .pdf document on your laser printer. Of course, I am a TeX enthusiast, but pre-embedding link information in any text processing program prior to submitting the results to Distiller is the right way to go-- Amy Hendrickson TeXnology Inc --------------------------------------------------------------- X-Sender: Tom Thiersch Gordon, I believe that users should never have to see PDFMark. All aspects of document composition should be done at a much higher level of abstraction, and certainly higher than HTML. Using a WYSIWYG document processor, with strict enforcement of styles (to ensure future reusability in document databases), should be a far more accurate and productive way of creating the desired output. PDFMark is, IMO, akin to programming in assembly language. Not to belittle the efforts of those who have mastered the intricacies of PS and PDFMark, but really, folks, isn't is about time that we got some decent, integrated, publishing tools that make all of this "bit-fiddling" unnecessary? Now, I see from monitoring this list and the Acrobat list that some products such as Frame are beginning to address this issue, but it sure sounds like there is still a VERY long way to go. "At least that's my opinion, I could be wrong..." Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:16:22 -0400 From: Gordon_Kent@brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: PDF Mark Questions To: PDF-L@emrg.com While investigating the uses of/for PDF Mark, I've come upon a number of questions. If you've used PDF Mark, or simply know what it is, I'd like to get your opinion. Are you using PDF Mark to edit PDF? Is it editing several items (like links, notes and page orientation) or just making small fixes (just changing one link)? How useful is it to have around, or would you prefer just editing the master document? With the easy of PDF creation, what role does PDF Mark really have for digital docs? And the biggie: Would you use PDF Mark like HTML? Thanks. _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ <---- End Included Message ---->  1, filed,, Return-Path: Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for amyh id AA12322; Thu, 14 Sep 95 12:31:19 EDT Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA31502; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:30:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA31471 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:29:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:25:03 -0700 From: Tom Thiersch Message-Id: <199509141625.JAA13992@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Re: PDF Mark Questions To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tom Thiersch *** EOOH *** Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:25:03 -0700 From: Tom Thiersch Subject: Re: PDF Mark Questions To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tom Thiersch Gordon, I believe that users should never have to see PDFMark. All aspects of document composition should be done at a much higher level of abstraction, and certainly higher than HTML. Using a WYSIWYG document processor, with strict enforcement of styles (to ensure future reusability in document databases), should be a far more accurate and productive way of creating the desired output. PDFMark is, IMO, akin to programming in assembly language. Not to belittle the efforts of those who have mastered the intricacies of PS and PDFMark, but really, folks, isn't is about time that we got some decent, integrated, publishing tools that make all of this "bit-fiddling" unnecessary? Now, I see from monitoring this list and the Acrobat list that some products such as Frame are beginning to address this issue, but it sure sounds like there is still a VERY long way to go. "At least that's my opinion, I could be wrong..." Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:16:22 -0400 From: Gordon_Kent@brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: PDF Mark Questions To: PDF-L@emrg.com While investigating the uses of/for PDF Mark, I've come upon a number of questions. If you've used PDF Mark, or simply know what it is, I'd like to get your opinion. Are you using PDF Mark to edit PDF? Is it editing several items (like links, notes and page orientation) or just making small fixes (just changing one link)? How useful is it to have around, or would you prefer just editing the master document? With the easy of PDF creation, what role does PDF Mark really have for digital docs? And the biggie: Would you use PDF Mark like HTML? Thanks. _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ <---- End Included Message ---->  14-Sep-1995 17:20:01-GMT,2390;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA04149 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:19:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA31870; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:18:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA31837 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:17:29 -0500 From: djh@arinc.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:15:04 -0400 To: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent), PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF Mark Questions Message-Id: <95Sep14.131735edt.30748@interlock.arinc.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: djh@arinc.com > Are you using PDF Mark to edit PDF? Is it editing several items (like > links, notes and page orientation) or just making small fixes (just > changing one link)? How useful is it to have around, or would you > prefer just editing the master document? With the easy of PDF > creation, what role does PDF Mark really have for digital docs? I'm unfamiliar with any product or technique named "PDF Mark," so I'll assume that you mean the pdfmark PostScript extension in the Portable Document Format (PDF) developed by Adobe. (Disclaimer: I'm definitely NOT an expert in this field.) The pdfmark extensions allow you to program certain options into a PostScript file that won't interfere with the printing of the file but will turn on certain features in the PDF file, such as bookmarks (a "clickable" table of contents), hypertext links (source and target), individual page orientation and scaling, built-in annotations ("sticky notes") and the like. > And the biggie: Would you use PDF Mark like HTML? No. I might use another markup language, such as SGML, to develop documents both for print and for the Web, and program into the document definitions the ability to define hypertext links, send headings as bookmarks, and the like. The pdfmark extensions are simple and limited to a few enhancements to PDF files. They were designed, it would seem, to allow software vendors (and maybe users and content developers) to take advantage of PDF features without having to write PDF directly. I hope I haven't gone off on a tangent and answered a question you didn't ask . . . . Cheers. David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com 14-Sep-1995 19:42:41-GMT,1799;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA05778 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:42:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA32436; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:34:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA32408 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:32:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9509141932.AA04835@mmm.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) From: Mark Doyle Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 13:32:05 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF Mark Questions References: <199509141707.NAA06634@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mark Doyle Amy Hendrickson writes: >I've used it by embedding PDFMark commands into a LaTeX .sty file. When >LaTeX processes the file using this style, all the links and bookmarks >are written and are passed along to be used by Distiller. For more info on this, see http://xxx.lanl.gov/hypertex/ and ftp://snorri.chem.washington/pub/hypertex/ . HyperTeX produces HyperPostScript (PostScript loaded with "intelligent" pdfmarks that do the right thing depending on the version of your distiller or if you are using Tanmoy Bhattacharya's enhanced Ghostview [motivated by the slow pace of Adobe including WWW support in Acrobat]). The HyperPostScript can be distilled directly into (hyperlinked) PDF as Amy said. No "by hand" linking in sight. See ftp://gita.lanl.gov/people/doyle/pdfdemo/ for some examples, especially pglh88h.pdf which was written in 1988 and is completely and automatically hyperlinked. Cheers, Mark 14-Sep-1995 20:41:40-GMT,2428;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA06331 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:41:38 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00141; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:31:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA00110 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:30:09 -0500 X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@postoffice.brown.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:34:42 -0400 To: David F Brailsford From: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) Subject: Re: Security in Acrobat Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gordon_Kent@Brown.edu (Gordon Kent) > The conclusion seems to be that Acrobat security is OK for deterring >casual snoopers and for ensuring (say) that only registered subscribers to >an on-line journal can easily read the latest issues. But if it's truly >top-secret stuff you want to protect I certainly wouldn't trust *any* >encryption method that the US Govt. actually *permits* software vendors to >build in to their products .. Thanks to David for his post. I think those with the most PDF security concerns are Net publishers. Focusing on PDF Net publishing, I'd like to discuss the implications for web-level security like those supported by Netscape (which was also cracked) versus and combined with PDF's RC4. I'm interested in the implications of "client-level" security in a PDF viewer (Exchange and Reader) alone from a downloaded file, and the implications (added security?) of PDF's client-level RC4 coupled with Web server security. In short: 1) Which is more secure: PDF or a Web server? 2) Is anything gained (speed?) by making PDF secure at the client-level? 3) Do we "add" security by having secure PDF files on a secure server? Or does it just take longer to break? And... 4) Are people aware of third-party Plug-ins that could make PDF more secure? Perhaps through other algorithms? _________________________________________ Gordon Kent Media & Technology Coordinator THE EDUCATION ALLIANCE @ Brown University 144 Wayland Ave, Providence RI 02906 401/274-9548 http://www.brown.edu/Research/The_Education_Alliance/ 14-Sep-1995 21:56:26-GMT,2755;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA06774 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:56:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00234; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:42:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA00198 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:41:06 -0500 From: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) Message-Id: <9509142040.AA09539@wuecona.wustl.edu> Subject: html mail archive To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF Discussion list) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:40:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1820 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu (Bob Parks) I forgot if anyone did this or not so I just did http://wuecon.wustl.edu/~bob/pdfl/index.html has most of the messages there. I'll irregularly update the beast until I get it automagical. I would have gotten all the messages for SURE but alas majordomo complained at me since I am on the digest list. If anyone wants to do a get and ship the archive to me, I'll reblast away at it. Bob > >-- > >>>>> get pdf-l pdf-archive.9508 >**** List 'pdf-l' is a private list. >**** Only members of the list can do a 'get'. >**** You aren't a member of list 'pdf-l'. >>>>> get pdf-l pdf-archive.9509 >**** List 'pdf-l' is a private list. >**** Only members of the list can do a 'get'. >**** You aren't a member of list 'pdf-l'. > -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* # Economics Working Paper Archive # # http://econwpa.wustl.edu/wpawelcome.html # # gopher econwpa.wustl.edu # # # # Send a mail message (empty body) # # To: econ-wp@econwpa.wustl.edu # # Subject: get announce # *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Bob Parks Voice: (314) 935-5665 | | Department of Economics, Campus Box 1208 Fax: (314) 935-4156 | | Washington University | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, Missouri 63130-4899 bparks@wuecona.wustl.edu| *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* 15-Sep-1995 0:39:25-GMT,1512;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA08034 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:39:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01149; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:38:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA01115 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:35:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 17:30:12 -0700 From: Richard Cohn Message-Id: <9509150030.AA01374@typo.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Security in Acrobat Cc: jking@mv.us.adobe.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard Cohn The comments previously made by Robert Schifreen, David F Brailsford, and others are accurate. Any security scheme trades off convenience (and export legality) vs. security. We made several trade-offs -- adding the owner password that can open the document without the original, encrypting the file in parts to preserve random access, using the 40-bit key limit that reduces the reliability of the security provided in PDF. As to Gordon's follow-up question, the security provided by Netscape is much more secure than Acrobat's. However, using a plug-in to provide a different form of security would help, although all security plug-ins suffer from the latter two trade-offs I mention above. Richard 15-Sep-1995 13:47:26-GMT,2771;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA12764 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:47:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04515; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:45:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA04444 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:43:16 -0500 X-Sender: rgartlan@adobe.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 06:39:52 -0700 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: rgartlan@mv.us.adobe.com (Rich Gartland) Subject: PageMaker and online publishing Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rgartlan@mv.us.adobe.com (Rich Gartland) Greetings PDF-L members: My name is Rich Gartland, and I'm on the PageMaker engineering team at Adobe in Seattle. I would like to ask for your ideas on what we should do to make PageMaker a better tool for online publishing, beyond what's already gone into version 6.0 (the Mac version is out, the Windows version is coming Q4). For those of you not familiar with PM6.0, here's a quick rundown on a few relevant features: - Creates PDF files by producing PostScript and invoking Distiller automatically, providing bookmarks and hypertext links out of TOC and index entries, as well as the ability to get article threads and also specify numerous Distiller options along the way (thanks Mike McHugh for your recent unsolicited email plug!); - Creates HTML files out of your PM pages, with the ability to add URL links to graphics or text ranges, and map your paragraph styles to HTML format tags; - Provides several monitor-based page sizes for quick setup of online layouts; - Plus other useful features: Group, Lock, Polygon tool, Multiple Master Pages, PhotoShop plug-ins for image control, Scripts palette, Integrated Color Management and probably more I forgot. OK, end of commercial. I know many of you probably aren't PageMaker users, but I'm still very interested in what you think we should do to make PM easier to use for purposes other than printing your documents. This could mean your final destination is a CD-ROM, the WWW as an HTML or PDF file, or maybe even just viewed using PageMaker itself. Whatever the case, I'm interested. I have quite a bit of information gathered, and in fact have spoken with a few of you already, but I thought this mailing list would give me a good chance to get a broader range of input. Thanks very much for your time. Feel free to email me directly (rich.gartland@adobe.com) or send to the entire list. - Rich Gartland, Adobe Systems Inc. 15-Sep-1995 14:45:01-GMT,2552;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA13332 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:44:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04876; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:42:17 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04846 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:41:14 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 15 Sep 1995 09:39:21 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: PageMaker and online pub To: PDF-L@emrg.com, "Rich Gartland" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>PageMaker and online publishing Rich, I can make it real easy. Make the first true Adobe version (remember the "6.0" you speak of was going to be "5.5" before Aldus was merged with Adobe) a Quark killer. We were a beta for 6.0 and it was OK. It has some nice features, but nothing to stop us from recommending our customers use XPress (and we would shout from the mountain tops to do that--we hate Quark's service and support like most people). Get rid of the old PageMaker (traditional by hand way idea) layout and use the Quark way--but don't copy Quark 3.x because they decided to change/fix things for 4.0. Get rid of the #@$@^ OLE stuff from Microsoft. I can't fathom why it's there except of the distance from Adlus and Microsoft. Any extensions from Microsoft spook Mac people way too much. If you want to be really cool, make PageMaker the ultimate OpenDoc container with some really nice DTP parts along with a photoshop part, illustrator part and wham--you've got the market lock on cross-platform OpenDoc market. Good luck, hopefully you've had another group engineering a lot of this so that you can come out next spring against Quark. Brian -------------------------------------- Date: 9/15/95 8:48 AM To: Brian Bezanson From: Rich Gartland Greetings PDF-L members: My name is Rich Gartland, and I'm on the PageMaker engineering team at Adobe in Seattle. I would like to ask for your ideas on what we should do to make PageMaker a better tool for online publishing, beyond what's already gone into version 6.0 (the Mac version is out, the Windows version is coming Q4). For those of you not familiar with PM6.0, here's a quick rundown on a few relevant features: 15-Sep-1995 16:48:07-GMT,1523;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA14561 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:48:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA05456; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:41:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA05421 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:39:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9509151639.AA0044@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: "Brian Bezanson" Cc: PDF-L , "Rich Gartland" From: Bob Marsh Date: 15 Sep 95 9:44:35 EDT Subject: Re: PageMaker and online pub Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh Brian/Rich, >Get rid of the #@$@^ OLE stuff from Microsoft. I can't fathom why it's >there except of the distance from Adlus and Microsoft. Any extensions from >Microsoft spook Mac people way too much. ====> There are quite a few of us out here that don't "spook" and actually use OLE technology. >If you want to be really cool, make PageMaker the ultimate OpenDoc >container with some really nice DTP parts along with a photoshop part, >illustrator part and wham--you've got the market lock on cross-platform >OpenDoc market. ====> What OpenDoc market? Bob Marsh Sony Electronic Publishing 15-Sep-1995 17:08:38-GMT,2018;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA14799 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:08:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05674; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:05:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05646 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:05:00 -0500 X-Sender: gjb2@postoffice3.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:11:13 -0400 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: gjb2@cornell.edu (Gwendolyn J Barrett) Subject: EPS Dos to Mac EPS or PS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gjb2@cornell.edu (Gwendolyn J Barrett) I have some charts done in Freelance Plus on my PC which I printed to a file using the Apple LaserWriter print driver. When I try to put them in a PageMaker or Illustrator file so that I can eventually put them in PDF, it does not place them as an editable graphic. I get a message that tells me it does not contain a screen image but will print properly. Does anyone know if there is an application which will allow me to convert to an editable image file? I don't have the PC version of Distiller so I don't have a Distiller print driver to use in Freelance. Or am I going about this altogether wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated. ****************************************************************************** Wendy Barrett, Admin. Asst. |Cornell Program on Dairy Markets and Policy| Agricultural, Resource, & Managerial Economics (ARME) Dept. Cornell University, 348 Warren Hall, Ithaca, NY 14853-7801 Phone: 607/255-1581 | FAX: 607/255-9984 | Internet: gjb2@cornell.edu URL: cpdmp.arme.cornell.edu/people/WBarrett.html ****************************************************************************** 15-Sep-1995 19:25:57-GMT,1252;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA16420 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:25:55 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06308; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:23:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06245 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:22:04 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 12:44:57 PST Message-Id: <9508158111.AA811190692@ccmailtest.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Bob Marsh , bezanson@mail.sells.com Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: PageMaker and online pub Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com >Get rid of the #@$@^ OLE stuff from Microsoft. I can't fathom why it's >there except of the distance from Adlus and Microsoft. Any extensions from >Microsoft spook Mac people way too much. >====> There are quite a few of us out here that don't "spook" and actually > use OLE technology. For publishing with PageMaker?? I tend to agree with Brian. And what good does OLE do on the Mac? Gary Cosimini Adobe Sytems NY 15-Sep-1995 20:43:38-GMT,1496;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA17308 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:43:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06710; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:41:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06680 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:40:09 -0500 From: "James R. Stahr" Message-Id: <199509152039.PAA07894@smokies.binc.net> Subject: Re: Re[2]: PageMaker and online pub To: Wayne.G.Marsh@cdev.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:39:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "Wayne.G.Marsh@cdev.com" at Sep 15, 95 03:31:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 487 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "James R. Stahr" This letter is being forwarded to the list pdf-l. It was mailed to owner-pdf-l by mistake. > > >>There are quite a few of us out here that don't "spook" and actually > >> use OLE technology. > > > >>For publishing with PageMaker?? I tend to agree with Brian. And what good > >>does > >OLE do on the Mac? > > > >Gary Cosimini > >Adobe Sytems NY > > According to the READ MEs on the PM 6 CD-ROM, PM uses OLE to link a table > you created in the Table Editor to your PM document. > > 15-Sep-1995 21:23:07-GMT,2278;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA17690 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:23:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06932; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:21:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06903 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:19:04 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 15 Sep 1995 16:18:11 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: Re[2]- PageMaker and on To: "James R. Stahr" , Wayne.G.Marsh@cdev.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>>Re[2]: PageMaker and online pub > According to the READ MEs on the PM 6 CD-ROM, PM uses OLE to link a table > you created in the Table Editor to your PM document. I've always tried to figure out what OLE was. :-) The above definition was what it was originally meant to be. A clone of Apple's Publish and Subscribe. While developers supported Publish and Subscribe in their programs on the Mac, no one really used it. Too many problems, like this example: "I published a piece of my illustrator drawing and then subscribed to it in XPress. Now what do I give the printer? The subscribed piece, the original art, what?" Plus the Mac had easy cut, copy, and paste and easy ways to "place" an image. The PC side lacked most of this in a consistent way and thus Microsoft gave birth to another doggy piece of technology called OLE. Then Apple came out with OpenDoc where you don't have program linking, but the idea that one core program (an OpenDoc container) has tools (like Plug-Ins of today) that are mini-applications that do something. They all work on the documents data and give you this compound document. Microsoft saw that OpenDoc was better and is now trying to pass OLE next generation off in a similar fashion. For the guy from Sony who wondered what OpenDoc is... I hope that was a joke. Otherwise you haven't been reading the trade magazines for the last few months. Brian 16-Sep-1995 1:20:36-GMT,1291;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA19527 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:20:33 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07957; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:19:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA07919 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:17:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9509160117.AA0122@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: "Brian Bezanson" Cc: "James R. Stahr" , "Wayne.G.Marsh" , pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 15 Sep 95 18:22:03 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]- PageMaker and on Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >For the guy from Sony who wondered what OpenDoc is... I hope that was a joke. >Otherwise you haven't been reading the trade magazines for the last few >months. I'm not wondering what OpenDoc is. My question was "what market?". There isn't one as far as I can tell. Interesting technology, no market. Bob Marsh 16-Sep-1995 3:21:28-GMT,1059;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA20046 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 21:21:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA08629; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:20:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA08601 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:19:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:20:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199509160320.UAA14126@jasmine.psyber.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]- PageMaker and on From: Bill Pellow To: "Bob Marsh" , "Brian Bezanson" , "James R. Stahr" , "Wayne.G.Marsh" , "pdf-l" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bill Pellow stop fighting children 18-Sep-1995 21:54:32-GMT,2686;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA12366 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:54:18 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23370; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 16:49:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23282 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 16:43:34 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:37:04 -0800 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: lmcquarr@venus.mv.us.adobe.com (Liz McQuarrie) Subject: Acrobat Access Beta Program Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: lmcquarr@venus.mv.us.adobe.com (Liz McQuarrie) Announcing the Acrobat Access for Windows Beta Program! Access to Acrobat for the Blind and Vision Impaired Acrobat Access is a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat on Windows. Acrobat Access extends Acrobat's functionality to provide access to PDF (the Acrobat file format) for the blind and vision impaired. With the Acrobat Access plug-in, Acrobat provides an alternate view of the PDF document that is compatible with screen reading programs for Windows. (See http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/Access.html for an overview of the issues of Acrobat and screen reader programs.) Acrobat Access also allows the export of the PDF document to ICADD-DTD compliant ASCII, HTML 2.0, or formatted ASCII. (Note that the number of tags supported at this time is limited.) The Acrobat Access Beta Program will begin October 19th. If you would like to participate, please send an EMail message to: yankovic@adobe.com Please include the following information in your mail message: Company Name Address Phone Email address Windows Screen Reading Program Used Do you have access to the World Wide Web? Do you have access to internet email? Minimum configuration required: 386-based computer or greater 4 MB of RAM or greater Windows Screen Reading program 1.44 MB 3.5" floppy drive (or WWW access) Feel free to post this message to any mailing list or news group where there are other folks who may be interested in Acrobat Access. Questions or comments to Liz below: Liz McQuarrie || EMAIL: lmcquarr@adobe.com Acrobat Engineering || WEB: http://www.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated || FAX: 415-903-0584 1545 Charleston Rd, PO Box 7900 || PHONE: 415-962-3915 Mt. View, CA 94039-7900 || 19-Sep-1995 19:15:59-GMT,1457;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA21884 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:15:55 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28306; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:13:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA28276 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:11:06 -0500 From: jsavidge@maverick.intecom.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 13:58:02 CDT Message-Id: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Subject: Open a file with FIND prompt active X-Incognito-Sn: 642 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jsavidge@maverick.intecom.com I have an Acrobat file that will be opened only when the user wants information about specific numbered alarm (i.e., 02581). Is there a way that I can have the file open with the FIND prompt displayed and ready for the user to type in the alarm number? I can build a simple macro to do this is some programs but I have not found a way to do this in Acrobat. Can it be done with PDF Mark or is there something simpler? I am limited in what I can add to the file since this 700+ page manual just fits on a floppy. Thanks, any ideas would be appreciated. Jim Savidge, ext: 8381 jsavidge@intecom.com 20-Sep-1995 17:15:37-GMT,1277;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA01928 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:15:34 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00501; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:13:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00430 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:04:55 -0500 From: Susanmason@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: <950920130349_104247416@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com cc: GMLeonard@aol.com Subject: Capture Expert Wanted Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Susanmason@aol.com Greetings Fellow Acrobateers; I have enjoyed reading much of the mail in this discussion group. I am hoping that someone will be able to assist me. I am searching for a company/individual who has great experience with Adobe Capture; specifically scanning in documents and converting to pdf files. I have three manuals ranging from 30 to 100 pages in length each that I need to have scanned in and converted to pdf files. Is there someone out there interested in the biz? If so, email me directly at susanmason@aol.com 20-Sep-1995 18:44:33-GMT,2389;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA03231 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:44:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA00869; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:42:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA00828 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:39:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:32:51 -0500 X-Sender: alexfalk@saluki-mail.siu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: alexfalk@siu.edu (Alexander G. Falkenberg) Subject: Getting things to come up landscape Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: alexfalk@siu.edu (Alexander G. Falkenberg) Hello all, Recently, I have developed a need to convert some Powerpoint 4.0/Win presentations to .pdf for adding to a Web page. The problem is that I can't seem to get the conversion to work properly: in spite of choosing landscape mode, I still get portrait. Here's what I have tried, and what has happened: First, I set the printer to Postscript printer. I switch the setting from Portrait to Landscape. I then print to FILE: with the Postscript printer still selected. I end up with a .ps file. I open and run Distiller. It creates a .pdf file. I open the .pdf file with Reader (or Exchange) and the 'paper' orientation is PORTRAIT, and the sides of my slides are chopped off, like this: This is how it looks in Reader and Exchange: (not drawn to scale; was in a hurry :)) +---------------------+ | (the viewer window) | | | +----+---------------------+----+ | : (this is the former : | | : Powerpoint slide) : | | : : | <-- The slide sides sticking | : : | <-- out are getting cut off | : : | +----+---------------------+----+ | | | | +---------------------+ I printed the .ps file to see if that was the problem, and it printed just fine. It's just that once it gets distilled, it's messed up. I can't seem to fix this. What am I missing or doing wrong? I appreciate any help. Thanks. :) 20-Sep-1995 20:20:48-GMT,1162;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA04252 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:20:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01299; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:18:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01223 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:15:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 16:14 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alexfalk@siu.edu (Alexander G. Falkenberg) From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Getting things to come up landscape Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Alex, make certain that your page setting are consistent in both Powerpoint and PS printer because your app can orient the page in one way while PS printer will do in in another. This happens in any app in the Mac. Hope this helps. Bob Moran 20-Sep-1995 20:21:28-GMT,2037;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA04273 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:21:22 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01301; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:18:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01239 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:15:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199509202014.NAA56561@ernie.ucop.edu> X-Sender: dclouse@popserv.ucop.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:09:56 -0700 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) Subject: Re: Getting things to come up landscape X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) alexfalk@saluki-mail.siu.edu said: > ... in spite of choosing >landscape mode, I still get portrait. This appears to be an Exchange bug also: the only way I can print landscape is to define the printer as "Portrait/Custom" and define the paper as 11" wide and 8.5" long. This has thus far prevented me from printing materials where *some* of the pages are in landscape mode: the document must instead be printed in sections, portrait & landscape. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- O _(*) /\ O ) `\-O _\/ \/ X -\>' -\<, -\>' (*)/ <, (*)` _\ _ *&! (*)/ (*) (*)/ (*) (*)/ (*) (*) ' O ` #@!&% ------------------------------------------=-^^^------------------------ Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu Office of the President University of California ... for a good time call http://www.kilroy.com/ (my home page) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Sep-1995 20:34:42-GMT,1348;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA04436 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:34:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01538; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:32:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01508 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:30:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9509202030.AA0470@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: "Alexander G. Falkenberg" Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 20 Sep 95 13:37:23 EDT Subject: Re: Getting things to come up landscape Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >Recently, I have developed a need to convert some Powerpoint 4.0/Win >presentations to .pdf for adding to a Web page. The problem is that I >can't seem to get the conversion to work properly: in spite of choosing >landscape mode, I still get portrait. We've done tons of these and the easiest way to get what you want is to use the PDF Writer instead. Had the same problem with PS -> Distiller under (still mysterious) conditions. Bob Marsh Sony 20-Sep-1995 20:51:09-GMT,1658;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA04623 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:50:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01709; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:48:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01681 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:47:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:47:56 -0700 Message-Id: <95092013475668@csupomona.edu> From: dcadamson@csupomona.edu (Danette Cook Adamson) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Missing lines and disappearing fonts X-VMS-To: smtp%"pdf-l@emrg.com" X-VMS-Cc: DCAdamson Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: dcadamson@csupomona.edu (Danette Cook Adamson) Please help this novice (me) who is attempting to convert articles from an on- campus journal into PDF. I was given the articles in Pagemaker 4.2 which are then converted to Pagemaker 5. Then using the PDF writer, the article is converted to PDF. Many of the articles which I've attempted to convert to PDF are missing their title or top line of the title (the title is on the top line(s) of the first page of each document). How can I remedy this? Also, I've noticed that the font really isn't clearly legible unless magnified to 200%. Some magnifications between 100% and less than 200% lack spacing between words and the letter "Z" is missing the diagonal line. I would be grateful for any advice. Thank you! Danette Cook Adamson University Library California State Polytechnic University, Pomona 21-Sep-1995 14:52:35-GMT,1160;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA13213 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:52:33 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02280; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:55:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02250 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:50:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 10:45:08 EDT X-Sender: jallison@popserver.williams.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: james.f.allison@williams.edu (Jim Allison) Subject: movie plug-in downloadable? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: james.f.allison@williams.edu (Jim Allison) Does anyone know if the Movie plug-in is avaialable anywhere on the Adobe servers for download? I found the webLink plug-in there, but I can't seem to find Movie. Will movie work with Acrobat Exchange ver 2.0 and the Mac reader ver 2.0? Thanks, Jim Allison 21-Sep-1995 15:08:53-GMT,2056;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA13414 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:08:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02433; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:10:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02395 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:08:54 -0500 Date: 21 Sep 95 11:00:16 EDT From: To: Subject: Printing Problems with Acrobat Reader 2.1 Message-ID: <950921150016_702420.204300_BHD57-45@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: We have recently discovered a major problem with Acrobat Reader 2.1. Using Quark Xpress and Acrobat Distiller 2.0, I created PDF versions of the Darden Business School enrollment application, a 40-page document filled with rather detailed application forms. We first created a postscript file, then distilled it with great success. We test printed it from the Mac and Windows 3.1 using Acrobat Exchange 2.0 and it looked great, so it went to Darden for their review. Everything prints well from Exchange and Reader 2.0, but hardly anything prints from Reader 2.1. The Darden folks were using the following configuration: 586 w/16mb RAM Acrobat Reader 2.1 HP 4+ w/6mb RAM Windows Workgroups 3.11 We would like to get other people to take a look at this situation for us. The PDFs in question are located at the following URL: www.darden.virginia.edu/execed/apptext.pdf www.darden.virginia.edu/execed/appcover.pdf If you have time, Acrobat 2.1, and a laser printer, we'd like to know if you can get them to print properly, and how you did it if you can. Any and all comments would be appreciated--we'd hate to see this become a major glitch in 2.1 and would rather it were something we have done wrong. Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing 21-Sep-1995 15:15:46-GMT,1153;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA13531 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:15:43 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02544; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:17:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02503 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:14:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9509211434.AA25611@emsr1.emsr.att.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 10:30:32 EDT From: harry@pez.att.com (Harry Hochheiser) To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com Subject: PDF Syntax checker Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: harry@pez.att.com (Harry Hochheiser) Simple question: does anyone know of a PDF syntax checker that could help identify errors in internally-generated PDF files? I'm trying to debug some pdf-generating code, and the feedback generated by Exchange is woefully inadequate. Any pointers/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. -------------- Harry Hochheiser harry@pez.att.com AT&T Bell Labs (908)582-5276 Murray Hill, NJ 21-Sep-1995 15:45:06-GMT,1694;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA13914 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:45:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02868; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:47:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02822 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:44:38 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Message-Id: <199509211535.AA06851@hoover.gilbarco.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 11:38:03 est To: framers@uunet.uu.net, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: PDF Hypertext Docs from FM Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com I'm trying to create several on-line hypertext documents for Acrobat using FrameMaker. Anyone else doing anything similar? Is there a specific FM hypertext command to have Acrobat close a document before hyperjuming to another? I've check with FM TS and they say... >THe following hypertext commands are supported: >alert, gotolink, gotolink first/lastpage, gotopage, newlink, nextpage, >openlink, openpage. Notice that QUIT, QUITALL, and EXIT aren't supported from FM to PDF. +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Where would be be without the ability - Warrior to let our minds wander?" "PLM1" 21-Sep-1995 19:25:39-GMT,1880;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA16567 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:25:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03706; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:26:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03609 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:20:35 -0500 X-Sender: patrcha@stcinet.statcan.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:17:25 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) Subject: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files content-length: 988 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) Some time ago, I broadcast a number of files in .pdf format to a variety of recipients over the internet. Anticipating various mailing systems and the fact that the recipients were working on Macintosh, Windows and Unix, I decided to select the 7-bit ASCII option when creating the .pdf files. I sent them out as attachments using Eudora on a PowerMac 7100/66AV. Recipients on Macintoshes had no problems with reading the file using Acrobat Reader 2.0.1. Unix recipients were unable to open the file. Some Windows users appeared to have the same problem. I then posted the same files at an ftp site, and the Unix users had no problem downloading and reading the files. The Windows recipients did not participate. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem might be? Thanks. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 21-Sep-1995 19:29:11-GMT,1485;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA16612 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:29:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03737; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:27:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03679 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:25:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 12:19:10 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9509211919.AA08023@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: framers@uunet.uu.net, PDF-L@emrg.com, RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Subject: Re: PDF Hypertext Docs from FM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII content-length: 614 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Rick, I'd be surprised if there was an FM command to accomplish the closing of a document before taking a cross-document link. This is not something that pdf can represent. It's a behavior of Exchange--in particular, how many documents remain open at once, or stated another way, when Exchange follows a cross- document link, should it close the original document? Adobe Developer Support wrote a plugin called Autoclose, which is either on the Adobe web site, or will be soon. Autoclose accomplishes the task of closing the source document when you follow a link to another one. Mark Adobe Developer Support 21-Sep-1995 19:53:33-GMT,1875;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA16862 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:53:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04022; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:54:20 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03980 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:51:24 -0500 From: frubino@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 15:38:54 PST Message-Id: <9508218117.AA811712714@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-DIGEST@emrg.com, harry@pez.att.com (Harry Hochheiser) Subject: Re: PDF Syntax checker Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: frubino@mv.us.adobe.com Harry- I don't know of such a thing. I am Adobe's Acrobat Consulting Services Manager, and I have done a few projects generating PDF on the fly. I've found that the best, safest way to generate PDF files is to let the Acrobat API do most of the work for you. If you would like to discuss engaging our services to help you with your application, please e-mail me, or phone me at Adobe's New York office, 212-832-6900. Frank Rubino ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: PDF Syntax checker Author: harry@pez.att.com (Harry Hochheiser) at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/21/95 3:35 PM Simple question: does anyone know of a PDF syntax checker that could help identify errors in internally-generated PDF files? I'm trying to debug some pdf-generating code, and the feedback generated by Exchange is woefully inadequate. Any pointers/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. -------------- Harry Hochheiser harry@pez.att.com AT&T Bell Labs (908)582-5276 Murray Hill, NJ 21-Sep-1995 20:14:38-GMT,1490;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA17141 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:14:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04262; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:12:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04182 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:06:19 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 21 Sep 1995 14:57:24 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: movie plug-in downloadab To: "Jim Allison" , pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>movie plug-in downloadable? 1) I don't think it will be for a little while 2) It may work with Exchange 2.0 but not Reader 2.0. Use Reader 2.1. 3) It is free for developers to distribute movie with Reader 2.1 from somethings I read. Brian -------------------------------------- Date: 9/21/95 9:58 AM To: Brian Bezanson From: Jim Allison Does anyone know if the Movie plug-in is avaialable anywhere on the Adobe servers for download? I found the webLink plug-in there, but I can't seem to find Movie. Will movie work with Acrobat Exchange ver 2.0 and the Mac reader ver 2.0? Thanks, Jim Allison 21-Sep-1995 20:23:07-GMT,1132;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA17233 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:23:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04307; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:15:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04235 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:12:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 16:06 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) It's a better idea to send the files in binary as most systems are now able to process that format versis ascii. Also, PDF's are smaller when created in that fashion. Adobe recommends Binary when you go to produce PS. Bob Moran 21-Sep-1995 20:44:08-GMT,1511;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA17497 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:43:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04580; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:40:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04537 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:36:38 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RNIS00; Relayed; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:21:00 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RNUC01; Relayed; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:20:45 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:20:00 -0500 (EST) From: "JEREMY M. TAUBER 201.812.7748" Subject: PDF development with Interleaf files To: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-Id: <01HVI368KLBAHW9UAA@mr.nut.roche.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:20:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal X400-Mts-Identifier: [;00124102905991/411457@RNISD0] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "JEREMY M. TAUBER 201.812.7748" I would be interested in talking to anyone developing Acrobat applications against interelaf files. I am currently developing such a project and would like to exchange ideas with those doing the same. Regards, Jeremy 21-Sep-1995 20:54:20-GMT,1961;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA17613 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:54:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04767; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:54:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04727 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:51:59 -0500 X-Sender: patrcha@stcinet.statcan.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:48:38 -0400 To: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) From: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com content-length: 1017 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) At 4:06 PM on 9/21/95,in 'Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files', Robert E. Moran wrote: >It's a better idea to send the files in binary as most systems are now able >to process that format versis ascii. Also, PDF's are smaller when created >in that fashion. Adobe recommends Binary when you go to produce PS. > I was under the impression that .pdf files were 8-bit ASCII! and I don't quite know why. Are they binary? If so then, if I restore the default (i.e., deactivate the 7-bit ASCII option), pdf writer or distiller will presumably produce a binary file. To send this binary file over the internet, I would then have to encode it (uu, binhex or zip) and attach it to my mail. I would probably uuencode it, since that is a format that can be handled on all relevant platforms. Have I finally got it right? Thanks. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 21-Sep-1995 21:39:31-GMT,2040;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA18089 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:39:28 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA05101; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:40:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA05061 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 21 Sep 1995 16:31:31 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files To: "Charles A. Patrick" , "Robert E. Moran" Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>>7-bit ASCII .pdf files 8-bit ASCII and Binary are the same thing. When people mainly spout BINARY they mean a file with each byte being 8-bits. When they say ASCII they usually mean what is considered the 7-bit (first 127) characters that are sometimes called "printable". Brian -------------------------------------- At 4:06 PM on 9/21/95,in 'Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files', Robert E. Moran wrote: >It's a better idea to send the files in binary as most systems are now able >to process that format versis ascii. Also, PDF's are smaller when created >in that fashion. Adobe recommends Binary when you go to produce PS. > I was under the impression that .pdf files were 8-bit ASCII! and I don't quite know why. Are they binary? If so then, if I restore the default (i.e., deactivate the 7-bit ASCII option), pdf writer or distiller will presumably produce a binary file. To send this binary file over the internet, I would then have to encode it (uu, binhex or zip) and attach it to my mail. I would probably uuencode it, since that is a format that can be handled on all relevant platforms. Have I finally got it right? 21-Sep-1995 22:19:05-GMT,2474;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA18530 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:19:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05343; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:22:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA05314 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:20:40 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 16:12:57 PST Message-Id: <9508218117.AA811721678@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com PDF files were ASCII in Acrobat 1.0. In version 2.0 & 2.1, the default is binary. You can change this by selecting "ASCII Format" in the Print Setup/Options/Compression dialog box (PDFWriter) or the Job Options dialog box (Distiller). We recommend leaving it binary, so the PDF files are not likely to get mangled by a mail gateway. And yes, uuencode will generally work just fine... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems, Inc. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Author: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/21/95 1:50 PM At 4:06 PM on 9/21/95,in 'Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files', Robert E. Moran wrote: >It's a better idea to send the files in binary as most systems are now able >to process that format versis ascii. Also, PDF's are smaller when created >in that fashion. Adobe recommends Binary when you go to produce PS. > I was under the impression that .pdf files were 8-bit ASCII! and I don't quite know why. Are they binary? If so then, if I restore the default (i.e., deactivate the 7-bit ASCII option), pdf writer or distiller will presumably produce a binary file. To send this binary file over the internet, I would then have to encode it (uu, binhex or zip) and attach it to my mail. I would probably uuencode it, since that is a format that can be handled on all relevant platforms. Have I finally got it right? Thanks. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 21-Sep-1995 22:19:05-GMT,2474;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA18530 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:19:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05343; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:22:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA05314 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:20:40 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 16:12:57 PST Message-Id: <9508218117.AA811721678@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com PDF files were ASCII in Acrobat 1.0. In version 2.0 & 2.1, the default is binary. You can change this by selecting "ASCII Format" in the Print Setup/Options/Compression dialog box (PDFWriter) or the Job Options dialog box (Distiller). We recommend leaving it binary, so the PDF files are not likely to get mangled by a mail gateway. And yes, uuencode will generally work just fine... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems, Inc. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Author: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/21/95 1:50 PM At 4:06 PM on 9/21/95,in 'Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files', Robert E. Moran wrote: >It's a better idea to send the files in binary as most systems are now able >to process that format versis ascii. Also, PDF's are smaller when created >in that fashion. Adobe recommends Binary when you go to produce PS. > I was under the impression that .pdf files were 8-bit ASCII! and I don't quite know why. Are they binary? If so then, if I restore the default (i.e., deactivate the 7-bit ASCII option), pdf writer or distiller will presumably produce a binary file. To send this binary file over the internet, I would then have to encode it (uu, binhex or zip) and attach it to my mail. I would probably uuencode it, since that is a format that can be handled on all relevant platforms. Have I finally got it right? Thanks. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 22-Sep-1995 6:29:18-GMT,1827;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA22586 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:29:15 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07513; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 01:26:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA07431 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 01:16:28 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) From: tjk@tietopolku.fi (Teppo Kurki) Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:17:56 +0300 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tjk@tietopolku.fi (Teppo Kurki) > I >sent them out as attachments using Eudora on a PowerMac 7100/66AV. >Recipients on Macintoshes had no problems with reading the file using >Acrobat Reader 2.0.1. Unix recipients were unable to open the file. Some >Windows users appeared to have the same problem. I then posted the same >files at an ftp site, and the Unix users had no problem downloading and >reading the files. The Windows recipients did not participate. Does anyone >have any ideas as to what the problem might be? The problem is probably the encoding scheme used in Eudora. I think the default is BinHex, which is mac-specific and most PC/WIndows mail programs can't handle that. In Eudora Pro (the commercial version) you have a choice between two Apple formats (single and double), BinHex and Uuencode. Uuencode would be your best choice. And since you are encoding the attachment there's no need to make it 7-bit ascii for the transport, uuencode will take care of that. teppo kurki 22-Sep-1995 9:51:35-GMT,1233;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id DAA23431 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 03:51:29 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA08232; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:50:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA08200 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:49:27 -0500 From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Reply-To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: FrameMaker to PDF Date: 22 Sep 1995 02:32:42 GMT Message-Id: <50978781.67532532@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Hey Folks- I have a group in my company that is producing FrameMaker documents with hypertext links. Is there a way to preserve the hypertext links when converting to PDFs? Or do they have to be re-linked using Adobe Exchange manually?!? Are there any tools that will do this fairly easy? I really hope this is doable. It will be a big factor in selling PDF to them. Thanks!!! James Chung Bay Networks 22-Sep-1995 14:03:04-GMT,2536;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA24758 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:03:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09228; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:00:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA09196 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:56:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199509221356.JAA64266@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> X-Sender: rsb5c@faraday.clas.virginia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:50:24 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Richard Bondi Subject: Major Bug in 2.1 Reader? (Was: Printing problems in 2.1) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Richard Bondi We have recently discovered a major problem with Acrobat Reader 2.1. Using Quark Xpress and Acrobat Distiller 2.0, I created PDF versions of the Darden Business School enrollment application, a 40-page document filled with rather detailed application forms. We first created a postscript file, then distilled it with great success. We test printed it from the Mac and Windows 3.1 using Acrobat Exchange 2.0 and it looked great, so it went to Darden for their review. Everything prints well from Exchange and Reader 2.0, but hardly anything prints from Reader 2.1. The Darden folks were using the following configuration: 586 w/16mb RAM Acrobat Reader 2.1 HP 4+ w/6mb RAM Windows Workgroups 3.11 We would like to get other people to take a look at this situation for us. The PDFs in question are located at the following URL: www.darden.virginia.edu/execed/apptext.pdf www.darden.virginia.edu/execed/appcover.pdf If you have time, Acrobat 2.1, and a laser printer, we'd like to know if you can get them to print properly, and how you did it if you can. Any and all comments would be appreciated--we'd hate to see this become a major glitch in 2.1 and would rather it were something we have done wrong. Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing Richard Bondi Darden Business School ------------- Richard Bondi Network and Website Administrator (http://www.darden.virginia.edu) Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, Darden Library University of Virginia Massie Road Extended Box 6500 Charlottesville, VA 22906 Fax: 804-924-3533 22-Sep-1995 14:04:28-GMT,2866;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA24777 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:04:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA08792; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 07:21:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA08759 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 07:15:03 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Message-Id: <199509221214.AA08187@hoover.gilbarco.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 08:17:34 est To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com >Subject: FrameMaker to PDF >From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM at ~GATEWAY >Date: 9/22/95 6:03 AM >I have a group in my company that is producing FrameMaker documents with >hypertext links. Is there a way to preserve the hypertext links when >converting to PDFs? Or do they have to be re-linked using Adobe Exchange >manually?!? Are there any tools that will do this fairly easy? Documents created in FM 5 can be conerted to PDFs with their hyperlinks. The FM links are converted to Acrobat when you print the FM file to PS and run it through the distiller. However, only the following Hypercommands are supported: alert, gotolink, gotolink first/lastpage, gotopage, newlink, nextpage, openlink, openpage +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Where would be be without the ability - Warrior to let our minds wander?" "PLM1" Received: by ccmail from hoover.gilbarco.com >From owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Envelope-From: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by mark.gilbarco.com with SMTP id AA02918 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 06:07:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA08223; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:50:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA08200 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 04:49:27 -0500 From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Reply-To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: FrameMaker to PDF Date: 22 Sep 1995 02:32:42 GMT Message-Id: <50978781.67532532@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) 22-Sep-1995 16:22:04-GMT,1301;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA26213 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:21:56 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09859; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:59:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09831 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:58:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199509221653.AA26677@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: vtex@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:51:52 +0300 To: Richard Bondi From: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Subject: Re: Major Bug in 2.1 Reader? (Was: Printing problems in 2.1) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: vtex@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas) Hi Rusty and Richard, >www.darden.virginia.edu/execed/appcover.pdf ^^^^^^^^^^^^ this document printed just fine on HP LaserJet 4P from Acrobat Reader v2.1 f/Windows. Both text and graphics look allright including fonts which are not installed on my system. I didn't try the second .pdf yet. Bye, Sarunas 22-Sep-1995 16:28:45-GMT,1837;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA26282 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:28:39 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09981; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:09:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09951 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:08:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:04:23 -0700 From: Tom Thiersch Message-Id: <199509221604.JAA26831@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Seeking Security Plug-In for PDF docs To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tom Thiersch I'm looking for an Acrobat Reader plug-in that will allow us to set up "permanent" security for Acrobat PDF documents on a one-time basis. The document-level security that is provided by Exchange requires the person trying to read a document to enter the document's password each time that the document is opened. I'd like to be able to provide users with the password *once* and store that password on the user's disk (in an encrypted file, of course) so that a plug-in could interrogate the file and automatically allow access to the document if the required password is present in the file. This type of mechanism would allow distribution of multiple documents on a single CD-ROM, and still provide for document-level protection without requiring the user to type the password every time the document is to be opened. Is such a plug-in (or any other mechanism providing similar functionality) available from any of you Acrobat Developers? Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. thiersch@ccnet.com 22-Sep-1995 19:22:12-GMT,1694;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA28345 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:21:57 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10755; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:19:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA10722 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:16:08 -0500 X-Sender: hal9001@popserver.panix.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Mac Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:15:25 -0400 To: "Brian Bezanson" From: "Robert A. Rosenberg" Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Cc: "Charles A. Patrick" , "Robert E. Moran" , pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Robert A. Rosenberg" At 16:31 9/21/95, Brian Bezanson wrote: >8-bit ASCII and Binary are the same thing. When people mainly spout BINARY >they mean a file with each byte being 8-bits. When they say ASCII they >usually mean what is considered the 7-bit (first 127) characters that are >sometimes called "printable". Not exactly. 8-Bit ASCII is a subset of Binary. An 8-Bit ASCII file has a designated MAXIMUM line length (ie: distance between CR+LF occurrences) while a Binary File is a single line (ie: The existence of the CR+LF is not significant). A file that is 8-Bit ASCII has an line oriented organization while a Binary is just a string of characters. 22-Sep-1995 19:51:50-GMT,3045;000000000001 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (uacsc2.albany.edu [128.204.1.10]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA28652 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:51:46 -0600 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0232; Fri, 22 Sep 95 15:49:46 EDT Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7257; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:49:46 -0400 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 7552 for EMJ@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:49:43 -0400 Received: from ALBNYVM1 (NJE origin SMTP@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7248; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:49:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 22 Sep 95 15:49:08 EDT Received: from qcd.lanl.gov.qcd-net by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.6.12/1.2) id NAA00151; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:50:37 -0600 Received: by qcd.lanl.gov.qcd-net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02665; Fri, 22 Sep 95 13:50:15 MDT References: <199509211906.PAA29226@phoebe.math.albany.edu> Approved-By: Tanmoy Bhattacharya Message-ID: <9509221950.AA02665@qcd.lanl.gov.qcd-net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:50:15 MDT Reply-To: Electronic Math Journals Discussion List Sender: Electronic Math Journals Discussion List From: Tanmoy Bhattacharya Subject: improving access To: Multiple recipients of list EMJ In-Reply-To: <199509211906.PAA29226@phoebe.math.albany.edu> ************************************************************ * hypermail archive: http://math.albany.edu:8800/hm/emj/ * ************************************************************ In <199509211906.PAA29226@phoebe.math.albany.edu> dated 15:06:36 -0400 Thu September 21, 1995, Mark Steinberger writes > I wonder if it might make sense to collaborate on a guide for > obtaining tex viewing software and configuring the various browsers to > use it. It certainly makes sense. > > I'm willing to write something up for unix, if we can volunteers for > the other platforms. And maybe we should post it here and get > criticism, and develop something we can all use. > > Sound resonable? Certainly sounds reasonable. The e-print database here at lanl could also use it. I asked Mark doyle about it: From: Mark Doyle To: tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov (Tanmoy Bhattacharya) Subject: Re: forwarded message from Mark Steinberger Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 13:46:16 -0600 > How much of this do we already have? Well, we have information where people can find the necessary software, but nothing about configuring it and setting it up. It would be great to have this info I suppose, but having automatic PS generation obviates a lot of the need for this kind of info. Cheers, Mark Cheers Tanmoy 23-Sep-1995 5:01:36-GMT,1792;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id XAA02486 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 23:01:33 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00638; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 23:56:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA00568 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 23:53:31 -0500 X-Sender: hal9001@popserver.panix.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Mac Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 00:48:37 -0400 To: tjk@tietopolku.fi (Teppo Kurki) From: "Robert A. Rosenberg" Subject: Re: 7-bit ASCII .pdf files Cc: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick), pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Robert A. Rosenberg" At 09:17 9/22/95, Teppo Kurki wrote: >The problem is probably the encoding scheme used in Eudora. I think the >default is BinHex, which is mac-specific and most PC/WIndows mail programs >can't handle that. In Eudora Pro (the commercial version) you have a choice >between two Apple formats (single and double), BinHex and Uuencode. >Uuencode would be your best choice. And since you are encoding the >attachment there's no need to make it 7-bit ascii for the transport, >uuencode will take care of that. AppleSingle and AppleDouble also are supported in the Freeware Version (only UUencode is Commercial only Support). So long as your MUAs are MIME Aware, the best selection is AppleDouble since it is part of the MIME support and for non-Macs will automatically decode the Data Fork as a usable file. 23-Sep-1995 18:57:47-GMT,3281;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA05586 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:57:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA04163; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:57:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA04125 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:54:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 11:19:55 From: "kschmidtmann" Message-Id: <9508238118.AA811880395@buckaroo.buckaroo.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Seeking Security Plug-In for PDF docs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "kschmidtmann" Tom: At Software Partners we have developed solutions similar to what you have described for two clients. Each implementation was slightly different. I would be happy to discuss this with you. Give me a call or drop a line. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners 804-984-5500 kschmidtmann@buckaroo.com ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Seeking Security Plug-In for PDF docs Author: Tom Thiersch at Internet Date: 9/22/95 10:25 AM Received: by ccmail Received: from netcomsv by buckaroo.com (UUPC/extended 1.11) with UUCP; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:20:35 PDT Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by netcomsv.netcom.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/SMI -4.1) id JAA03362; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:06:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6 .9) with SMTP id LAA09976; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:09:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA 09951 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 11:08:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:04:23 -0700 From: Tom Thiersch X-ccAdmin: postmaster@netcomsv Message-Id: <199509221604.JAA26831@ccnet.ccnet.com> Subject: Seeking Security Plug-In for PDF docs To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tom Thiersch I'm looking for an Acrobat Reader plug-in that will allow us to set up "permanent" security for Acrobat PDF documents on a one-time basis. The document-level security that is provided by Exchange requires the person trying to read a document to enter the document's password each time that the document is opened. I'd like to be able to provide users with the password *once* and store that password on the user's disk (in an encrypted file, of course) so that a plug-in could interrogate the file and automatically allow access to the document if the required password is present in the file. This type of mechanism would allow distribution of multiple documents on a single CD-ROM, and still provide for document-level protection without requiring the user to type the password every time the document is to be opened. Is such a plug-in (or any other mechanism providing similar functionality) available from any of you Acrobat Developers? Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. thiersch@ccnet.com 26-Sep-1995 8:30:23-GMT,2125;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA27616 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:29:49 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA06499; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 03:28:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA06463 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 03:25:39 -0500 From: epentz@apuk.co.uk Message-ID: <1035683001C844D9@apuk.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 09:24:10 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Trying to convert PDF do X-Mailer: UGate [Ver. 1.82] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: epentz@apuk.co.uk >You did not say what flavor of UNIX you are running. Currently Solaris, SunOS, HP >and SGI are supported and the Acrobat free Readers can be downloaded from >http://www.adobe.com. > >Anyone with a copy of Acrobat Exchange can write these files back to disk as PS >by simply choosing a PS print driver and printing to disk. I would be more than >happy to do this for you if you want to send me your PDF documents. > >Do keep in mind...that these PDF files can be opened on a Mac or Windows box >providing they have the free Acrobat Reader or Acrobat Exchange. Readers for >all supported platforms can be downloaded from the web site listed above. We use PDF for the Journal of Molecular Biology Online and it seems that users who use Version 1.x Unix Readers cannot read our PDF files. We think this is because they are opened in Exchange 2.0 after distillation. Does that sound correct? It certainly causes us lots of problems. Adobe has announce Version 2 Unix Readers which will help. But I would also be interested in hearing about anything the supports PDF viewing, especially for SGI. Regards, Ed --------------------------------------------------- Ed Pentz Electronic Publishing Developer Academic Press London 24-28 Oval Rd London NW1 7DX Tel: +44 171 482 2893 Fax: +44 171 267 0362 email: epentz@apuk.co.uk http://www.hbuk.co.uk/jmb/ 26-Sep-1995 15:18:54-GMT,1001;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA29682 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:18:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07794; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:17:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07765 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:15:50 -0500 Date: 26 Sep 95 11:13:27 EDT From: To: Subject: Using Capture on larger documents Message-ID: <950926151327_702420.204300_BHD32-40@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Does anyone have any experience using Capture on larger page sizes (11x17, 8.5x14)? Are there any issues with these, other than their cumbersome navigational problems? Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing 26-Sep-1995 15:21:22-GMT,1055;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA29706 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:21:18 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07869; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:19:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07839 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:19:05 -0500 Date: 26 Sep 95 11:15:30 EDT From: To: Subject: Searching and Acrobat APIs Message-ID: <950926151529_702420.204300_BHD32-4@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: I am trying to find a way to add search categories to Acrobat. Are there any APIs under development that will allow me to search by name, or search by date, or search by specific keyword (as added in the Document Info text box)? Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing 26-Sep-1995 16:58:09-GMT,2603;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA01124 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:58:05 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA08367; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:56:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA08318 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:54:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:54:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199509261654.LAA16668@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Re: Trying to convert PDF do Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) >We use PDF for the Journal of Molecular Biology Online and it seems that >users who use Version 1.x Unix Readers cannot read our PDF files. We think >this is because they are opened in Exchange 2.0 after distillation. Does >that sound correct? It certainly causes us lots of problems. More than likely a security function has been put into the PDF (ie do not allow printing, changing, adding notes). 1.0 viewers can not open a PDF with _any_ type of security. > >Adobe has announce Version 2 Unix Readers which will help. But I would >also be interested in hearing about anything the supports PDF viewing, >especially for SGI. SGI Readers are now available on the Adobe web site as well as beta releases of Reader 2.0 for Solaris, SunOS and HP. This URL http://www.adobe.com/Software/Acrobat/ will take you directly there. PDFs can also be viewed on other UNIX platforms with Alladin Ghostscript +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 26-Sep-1995 17:03:45-GMT,2225;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA01227 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:03:41 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08449; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:01:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA08422 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:01:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:01:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199509261701.MAA16706@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Re: Searching and Acrobat APIs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) >I am trying to find a way to add search categories to Acrobat. Are there any >APIs under development that will allow me to search by name, or search by date, >or search by specific keyword (as added in the Document Info text box)? You can search on anything you put into a Document Info field. Pull down the Edit menu and go to Preferences---->Search and click the "show fields" box The next time you do a search the doc info fields will show up in the search menu. Additional search fields could be added through a plug-in +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 26-Sep-1995 18:27:55-GMT,1727;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA02238 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:27:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08887; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:25:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA08856 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:23:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9509261818.AA04311@ilces.ag.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: duvall@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:24:40 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: duvall@.uiuc.edu (Darin L. Duvall) Subject: Acrobat and FileMaker Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: duvall@.uiuc.edu (Darin L. Duvall) I'm setting up a Filemaker database for a client, and they want to have links from a person's Filemaker record to an Acrobat file that contains their resume, letters of recommendation, etc. What is the best way to link Filemaker records to specific Acrobat Files? (This will be done under Windows 95 on networked Pentium machines). I'm willing to do a little coding if necessary, but I don't know where to start. Please advise! - Darin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Darin Duvall, MIS Consultant University of Illinois _______________________ Administrative Information | voice: (217) 333-9790 Systems & Services | fax: (217) 333-3433 ___________________________ | _______________________ 50 Gerty Drive | Champaign, IL 61820 | e-mail: duvall@uiuc.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 26-Sep-1995 22:33:54-GMT,2396;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA05335 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:33:46 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA10166; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:31:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA10136 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:30:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 15:31:44 PDT X-Sender: billworld@mail.accessone.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Subject: Re: Acrobat and FileMaker Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) At 1:24 PM 9/26/95, Darin L. Duvall wrote: >I'm setting up a Filemaker database for a client, and they want to have >links from a person's Filemaker record to an Acrobat file that contains >their resume, letters of recommendation, etc. What is the best way to link >Filemaker records to specific Acrobat Files? (This will be done under >Windows 95 on networked Pentium machines). > >I'm willing to do a little coding if necessary, but I don't know where to >start. > >Please advise! > > - Darin. If you were to set up an internal web server and that server was a Mac running WebStar (commercial Web server) and WEB FM (commercial CGI for integrating Filemaker Pro with WebStar), this would be easy. The database would be slightly customized with HTML containing URL's to Acrobat PDFs external to database. If this doesn't help, then check in with some of the Filemaker gurus on the following email lists. (Archives and sign-on information contained therein.) http://www.blueworld.com/lists/fmpro/ http://www.blueworld.com/lists/fmpro-cgi/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Bill Doerrfeld Blue World Communications bill@blueworld.com Issaquah, WA (yes that's near Seattle) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Specialists in the creative use of technology to enhance communications. Check out our website creations at http://www.blueworld.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - 27-Sep-1995 18:06:53-GMT,1647;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA06269 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:06:46 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14879; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:04:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA14800 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:02:38 -0500 X-Sender: patrcha@stcinet.statcan.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:03:52 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, MAC-L@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu, MAC-L@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu From: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) Subject: ATM 3.8.3 content-length: 714 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) My previous posting of the following had no Subject title! My Apologies for the omission. I just finished installing v2.1 of Adobe Acrobat and Distiller. The installation proceeded flawlessly, but everything froze on restarting. I tried several things but was unable to get past the freeze. Finally, I went back and re-installed SuperATM 3.8.2 and thereafter all went well. It appears that the update to ATM 3.8.3, which is part of the installation, was the problem. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 27-Sep-1995 18:11:04-GMT,1536;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA06325 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:11:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14870; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:03:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA14761 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:56:38 -0500 X-Sender: patrcha@stcinet.statcan.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:58:17 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, MAC-L@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu, MAC-L@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu From: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) content-length: 622 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) I just finished installing v2.1 of Adobe Acrobat and Distiller. The installation proceeded flawlessly, but everything froze on restarting. I tried several things but was unable to get past the freeze. Finally, I went back and re-installed SuperATM 3.8.2 and thereafter all went well. It appears that the update to ATM 3.8.3, which is part of the installation, was the problem. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 28-Sep-1995 18:57:31-GMT,1233;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA19228 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:57:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA20485; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:54:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA20427 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:47:19 -0500 From: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Message-Id: <199509281846.AA02965@hoover.gilbarco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:49:45 est To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Exchange for HP Unix? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com Is there an Unix HPOS version of Acrobat Exchange? +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Where would we be without the ability - Warrior to let our minds wander?" "PLM1" 28-Sep-1995 19:19:20-GMT,2186;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA19627 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:19:16 -0600 Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id MAA05181; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:12:19 -0700 Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id MAA04741; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:08:45 -0700 Received: from mentor.cc.purdue.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id MAA14662; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:08:25 -0700 Received: from einstein (einstein.ansc.purdue.edu [128.210.21.153]) by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA15989 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:08:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199509281908.OAA15989@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:07:49 -0500 Reply-To: meinstei@hub2.ansc.purdue.edu Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: meinstei@hub2.ansc.purdue.edu (Mark E. Einstein) To: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Subject: Acrobat and web searches Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: meinstei@hub2.ansc.purdue.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN I am the maintainer of AquaNIC - an aquaculture related web site. we have been using Acrobat for posting documents for many months. the problem i am running into is finding a method to allow users to search the .pdf files. the webmaster of this unix computer is using a search engine called Harvest, which does a nice job of allowing users to search text items. my users have downloaded the acrobat readers from adobe. but, as more and more of the material on AquaNIC, goes to .pdf files, full text searches won't yield the desired results. how are others doing electronic publishing on the web, handling this. is there an obvious solution and i'm just overlooking it. any ideas, hints or solutions would be greatly appreciated. a very satisfied Acrobat user, but a frustrated web maintainer. mark ================================================================= Mark E. Einstein Sr. Statistical Associate AquaNIC System Operator meinstei@hub2.ansc.purdue.edu 28-Sep-1995 21:23:49-GMT,2172;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA21488 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:23:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA21169; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:22:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA21123 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:20:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:19:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199509282119.OAA05651@ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Subject: PostScript Errors To: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) We have been creating PostScript masters of various Word 6.0 documents for printing to Xerox high volume printers (DocuTech for black and white and the 4850 LPS for highlight color). The PS masters are ripped, on a FIBRE Gateway, and sent to the printer. We've been having a problem in that some of the PS masters generate Postscript errors when being printed on the high volume devices (and either abort or truncate the job). Since I, personally, have never had any problem generating PostScript masters, I've been blaming these problems on the Xerox machines. Then today I thought I would try to print one of the same PS masters to the Acrobat distiller and see what happens. Sure enough the same error was generated (and a PDF file was not created). Now, of course, we need to know what the errors means; and, I have no idea. Here's what we're getting: MSTT31c226 not found, using Courier %%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: MSTT31c226]%% Or, USTT31clab not found, using Courier %%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: USTT31clab]%% Or, MSTT31c192 not found, using Courier %%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: MSTT31c192]%% I was assuming some kind of font substitution was going on, but I can't find any offending fonts. Anyone have any ideas what these offending PS commands are? Why won't the files print? Terry Heiney Acme Training 29-Sep-1995 15:18:22-GMT,1940;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA28912 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:18:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA25193; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:15:28 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA25126 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:09:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199509291509.KAA13218@glacier.binc.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 11:09:09 EST From: "* Bill Jaffarian *" Subject: Request for help To: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "* Bill Jaffarian *" I have a document which is written in Russian using word processing software on a Macintosh computer. The Cyrillic characters consist of a truetype font produced by Exceller Corp. The word processing software is the latest release of WordPerfect. I want to e-mail the document to someone who has an Internet address so that the receiver can read the document without using WordPerfect. The receiver has an IBM compatible system but does not have WordPerfect. What software do I need and how do I use it to accomplish this? Any help which you can give will be appreciated very much. Thanks. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + William A. Jaffarian + + New York State Education Department + + 464 EBA, Albany, New York 12234 USA + + E-MAIL: BJaffari@vm1.nysed.gov + + VOICE: + 1 (518) 473-4370; FAX: + 1 (518) 474-1405 + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 29-Sep-1995 15:28:33-GMT,1307;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA29006 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:28:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA25367; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:27:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA25306 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:26:46 -0500 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:42:35 PST Message-Id: <9508288123.AA812324582@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Exchange for HP Unix? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com >Is there an Unix HPOS version of Acrobat Exchange? Yes, but Exchange only supports HP_UX 9.0 or above. -Greg +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Where would we be without the ability - Warrior to let our minds wander?" "PLM1" 29-Sep-1995 16:13:32-GMT,946;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA29542 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:13:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25656; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:12:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA25611 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:11:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 12:10 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Exchange for HP Unix? Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) There will be an Exchange for Solaris in October. Bob Moran 29-Sep-1995 16:18:01-GMT,1098;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA29625 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:17:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25767; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:15:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA25711 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:13:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 12:12 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: PostScript Errors Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Teryy, make certain that all font embedded is turned on for both Distiller and when generating PS and also make certain that Distiller has access to all font folders. This is very important. Bob Moran 29-Sep-1995 16:19:28-GMT,1267;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA29641 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:19:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25890; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:18:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA25819 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:16:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 12:15 EDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "* Bill Jaffarian *" From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: Re: Request for help Cc: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Bill, use the Acrobat PDF writer to generate the file and tell the person on the other end to get Acrobat reader for their machine. PDF's work very well on the Net. Also make sure that both E-mail apps can send attached files to each other because PDF is not a generic text file to be embedded in a letter. (see cc Mail on this one.) Hope this helps. Bob Moran 29-Sep-1995 16:50:05-GMT,1103;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA00160 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:50:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA26141; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:37:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA26102 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:36:12 -0500 From: rmitchel@cftnet.com Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:37:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199509291637.MAA23987@renoir.cftnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Capture on Win95 To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rmitchel@cftnet.com Has anyone found a fix for running Capture one Win95? It requires having a permanent swap file before it will even run, and obviously loos95 doesn't like that attitude. Any Help would be appreciated! Bob Mitchell 813 977-0124 Tampa, FL 33647 29-Sep-1995 17:58:09-GMT,1595;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA01019 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:58:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26665; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:51:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA26623 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9509291750.AA24073@mantaray.lanl.gov> X-Sender: 113183@mantaray.lanl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:50:00 -0700 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: 113183@mantaray.lanl.gov (Lee Ramos) Subject: Request for help content-length: 682 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: 113183@mantaray.lanl.gov (Lee Ramos) Does anyone have a utility to allow Acrobat Capture to retrieval the next available TIFF file, in a DOS directory, after it has processed a file. We would like to automate this process. We have several PC stations set up to process TIFF-to-PDF but it requires a user to stay close to each station to input the next file. -- Lee ====================================================| Lisandro R. Ramos (Lee) lramos@lanl.gov Los Alamos National Laboratory (505) 667-6364 Research Library CIC-2, MS P362 (505) 665-6452 FAX Los Alamos, NM 87545 ====================================================| 29-Sep-1995 18:13:23-GMT,1342;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA01226 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:13:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA26849; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:10:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA26796 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:08:53 -0500 From: "Abraham, Philip C PL" To: PDF listserv send Subject: RE: Request for help Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 14:07:00 CDT Message-Id: <306C371E@po4.cp.unisys.com> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Abraham, Philip C PL" < Does anyone have a utility to allow Acrobat Capture to retrieval the next available TIFF file, in a DOS directory, after it has processed a file. We would like to automate this process. We have several PC stations set up to process TIFF-to-PDF but it requires a user to stay close to each station to input the next file. -- Lee> I thought that "watched' directories could do what you require. Phil Abraham abrahamp@po02.pl.unisys.com 29-Sep-1995 18:47:33-GMT,1961;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA01601 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:47:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27153; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:46:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA27107 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:44:02 -0500 From: "Abraham, Philip C PL" To: PDF listserv send Subject: RE: PostScript Errors Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 14:42:00 CDT Message-Id: <306C3F5E@po4.cp.unisys.com> Encoding: 29 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Abraham, Philip C PL" We have been creating PS masters from Word intended for Xerox Docutechs for some while, and have been quite successfull. The errors you show indicate a font problem. The fonts being substituted are Microsoft True Type fonts (MSTTxx), and they occasionally cause problems especially if they are not included in the file, or better still downloaded in the file. There are other problems related to True Type fonts. We also take our Postscript files through Distiller after proofing at the printer. Contact me directly at abrahamp@po02.pl.unisys.com for more info if required. Phil xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx truncated copy of original follows---------- From: owner-pdf-l To: pdf-l Subject: PostScript Errors Date: Thursday, September 28, 1995 2:19PM We have been creating PostScript masters of various Word 6.0 documents for printing to Xerox high volume printers (DocuTech for black and white and the 4850 LPS for highlight color). The PS masters are ripped, on a FIBRE Gateway, and sent to the printer. etc etc Terry Heiney Acme Training xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 29-Sep-1995 21:35:32-GMT,1459;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA03442 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:35:28 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA28023; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:31:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA27981 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:29:45 -0500 From: chunt@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 29 Sep 95 14:12:22 PST Message-Id: <9508298124.AA812409148@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net, rmitchel@cftnet.com Subject: Re: Capture on Win95 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chunt@mv.us.adobe.com Capture 1.0 will not run under Windows 95 (regardless of the swap file message). Capture 1.01 is in development now and that will run under W/95. Expected to ship end of October; registered Capture users will be upgraded for free. Chris Hunt Adobe Systems ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Capture on Win95 Author: rmitchel@cftnet.com at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/29/95 10:32 AM Has anyone found a fix for running Capture one Win95? It requires having a permanent swap file before it will even run, and obviously loos95 doesn't like that attitude. Any Help would be appreciated! Bob Mitchell 813 977-0124 Tampa, FL 33647 29-Sep-1995 23:38:04-GMT,2538;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA04810 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:38:01 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28533; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:36:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA28474 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:34:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:33:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199509292333.QAA13200@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Subject: More on PostScript Errors To: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) To all of you who responded to PostScript Errors, First of all, THANKS for your responsse concerning my PostScript errors problem. We received several responses, and have tried several remedies; still without success. Here's some more details. We have approximately 1700 pages that were originally created in a proprietary Xerox format called GlobaView (formally known as ViewPoint). We converted all of the files that made up these pages to ASCII, and reformatted them in Word 6.0 in Windows. Slides were created in PowerPoint and inserted into the Word files as Pictures (no OLE was used). The predominate font is ATM Optima. Some Courier is used. Font setup is described in the next paragraph. Since these files are to be printed on Xerox high volume devices, PostScript masters are required. We're working in Windows so we set a PostScript printer, in our case an Apple Laserwriter NTX II, as the default printer. The documents were formatted using ATM and Adobe fonts except for the company logofont which is a TrueType font. So, in the Advanced Setup window for the printer we use Type I fonts, but download the TrueType fonts (the logo font) as a soft font. I have also set some other TrueType fonts to download as soft fonts just as a precaution (symbols, dingbats). Some files print okay; some don't. If two PostScript masters of the same file are created, different error messages have been returned. We don't have the Xerox printer driver for DocuTech; and, I don't know of a driver specifically for the ENTIRE FIBRE Gateway. I don't want to print directly with the Distiller driver because this won't solve the general problem of sending the PostScript masters to other printers. Thanks in advance for any help. //Terry 30-Sep-1995 4:47:55-GMT,2574;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA06159 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:47:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA29680; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:47:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA29584 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:42:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 20:54:08 PDT X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "* Bill Jaffarian *" From: andy@melnyk.scan.mc.xerox.com (Melnyk) Subject: Re: Request for help Cc: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: andy@melnyk.scan.mc.xerox.com (Melnyk) >I have a document which is written in Russian using word processing software >on a Macintosh computer. The Cyrillic characters consist of a truetype font >produced by Exceller Corp. The word processing software is the latest release >of WordPerfect. > >I want to e-mail the document to someone who has an Internet address so that >the receiver can read the document without using WordPerfect. The receiver has >an IBM compatible system but does not have WordPerfect. > >What software do I need and how do I use it to accomplish this? > Not really a pdf item, but: There are two issues, one is producing a file that the IBMer can open and the second having the IBMer have the correct font table. Find out what wordprocessor the IBM'r uses and see if you can save in that format. Eg, if he uses MS word save it as MS word on WP (you may have to do a two step, if you can save only as a mac WP, read that file into MSW on your mac and then save as a DOS/Window MSW file). Of course if the formatting is not important then save as a text file. Second determine what coding (character code table) the font is in, ie KOI8 (unix), MacCyrillic, 1281 (windows), 866 (DOS) and inform the IBMer to get it. If you both have MIME compliant mailers then just send. If not, uuencode the file and send hoping the receiver has the decoder. If the IBMer (as a mac user I find the DOS/Wintel people to be the arrogant "ugly americans",:-) they assume everyone else has to learn their language and so they lac translation tools) needs the proper font, he can go to: http://www.osc.edu/ukraine.html Where these fonts are available for windows and mac OS. Vse najkrasche, Andy 2-Oct-1995 13:31:49-GMT,2502;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA20489 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 07:31:45 -0600 Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id GAA17298; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 06:29:36 -0700 Received: from tappi.org by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id GAA17139; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 06:26:48 -0700 Received: from WPDOMAIN-Message_Server by tappi.org with WordPerfect_Office; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:34:41 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:29:59 -0500 Reply-To: mkirby@tappi.org Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: mkirby@tappi.org To: meinstei@hub2.ansc.purdue.edu, ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Subject: Acrobat and web searches -Reply X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN Check out Verity's web site (http://www.verity.com)-- there you'll find a web based search engine which does indexing of all HTML and PDF files specified (you can specify specific files and/or whole directories and subdirectories of files to be indexed). As their release states, "Avoid conversion and maintenance of [HTML] via automatic filtering of 50 types of word processing, [PDF], and many other types of documents and information sources." No word at the web site as to the price, but I've heard it's around USD $3,000-- a pretty penny, but worth it for an information rich web site that makes heavy use of PDF! Verity offers a demonstration of their search engine-- they will index your web site and provide a form page at their site for you to do sample searches, to see how well it works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am the maintainer of AquaNIC - an aquaculture related web site. we have been using Acrobat for posting documents for many months. the problem i am running into is finding a method to allow users to search the .pdf files. the webmaster of this unix computer is using a search engine called Harvest, which does a nice job of allowing users to search text items. my users have downloaded the acrobat readers from adobe. but, as more and more of the material on AquaNIC, goes to .pdf files, full text searches won't yield the desired results. how are others doing electronic publishing on the web, handling this. is there an obvious solution and i'm just overlooking it. any ideas, hints or solutions would be greatly appreciated. a very satisfied Acrobat user, but a frustrated web maintainer. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2-Oct-1995 21:00:08-GMT,3978;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA28282 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:00:00 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA10262; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:56:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA10172 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:47:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 13:47:35 PST From: "Kris Oca" Message-Id: <9509028126.AA812666857@smtplink.simsci.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Subject: Re: More on PostScript Errors Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kris Oca" Terry -- I have had very similar problems to yours, i.e., the font error messages from Distiller. I'm using CorelVentura 4.2. After hours of phone calls to Adobe and CorelVentura, and days of searching the internet, I discovered by hit and miss that the printer driver was the offender. I tried Kodak ColorEase, generic PS printer, QMS color script, Agfa 9000, and the Apple Laserwriter, none of which worked. I tried many combinations of settings, (use printer fonts for all true type fonts, and/or use substitution table, etc.). Nothing worked until I finally printed with the Lino 300 or 500 drivers. It worked like a dream. I had thought it was an problem unique to Ventura, but when I read your error message last week and recognized it as one I was getting, I thought I would pass this information on to you. Adobe does have a new Postscript Printer Driver 3.0 out now. We got a copy and it has some great features, including improved handling of True Type fonts. Unfortunately, Ventura 4.2 doesn't work with it (hopefully Version 6.0!), but it may be helpful for your applications. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: More on PostScript Errors Author: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) at smtp Date: 9/29/95 4:44 PM To all of you who responded to PostScript Errors, First of all, THANKS for your responsse concerning my PostScript errors problem. We received several responses, and have tried several remedies; still without success. Here's some more details. We have approximately 1700 pages that were originally created in a proprietary Xerox format called GlobaView (formally known as ViewPoint). We converted all of the files that made up these pages to ASCII, and reformatted them in Word 6.0 in Windows. Slides were created in PowerPoint and inserted into the Word files as Pictures (no OLE was used). The predominate font is ATM Optima. Some Courier is used. Font setup is described in the next paragraph. Since these files are to be printed on Xerox high volume devices, PostScript masters are required. We're working in Windows so we set a PostScript printer, in our case an Apple Laserwriter NTX II, as the default printer. The documents were formatted using ATM and Adobe fonts except for the company logofont which is a TrueType font. So, in the Advanced Setup window for the printer we use Type I fonts, but download the TrueType fonts (the logo font) as a soft font. I have also set some other TrueType fonts to download as soft fonts just as a precaution (symbols, dingbats). Some files print okay; some don't. If two PostScript masters of the same file are created, different error messages have been returned. We don't have the Xerox printer driver for DocuTech; and, I don't know of a driver specifically for the ENTIRE FIBRE Gateway. I don't want to print directly with the Distiller driver because this won't solve the general problem of sending the PostScript masters to other printers. Thanks in advance for any help. //Terry 3-Oct-1995 3:21:23-GMT,1530;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA03656 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:21:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA11661; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:20:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA11611 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:18:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:15:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199510030315.WAA14180@solar.sky.net> X-Sender: brud@sky.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Brud Jones Subject: Open PDF Fullscreen Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brud Jones I am trying to open a PDF full screen which has a link to another PDF that I wanted opened just to page width. Does Acrobat have to assume the same zoom when opening consecutiive files. I have checked and the second file is set correctly in Document info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Brud _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@interstate.net 3-Oct-1995 10:32:40-GMT,1514;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA05829 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 04:32:38 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA13596; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 05:31:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA13542 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 05:28:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 06:27:04 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Re: Open PDF Fullscreen To: Brud Jones , PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <9509038127.AA812726846@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson I am trying to open a PDF full screen which has a link to another PDF that I wanted opened just to page width. Does Acrobat have to assume the same zoom when opening consecutiive files. I have checked and the second file is set correctly in Document info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ===== I had a similar desire for a project,but ran intosame problem about a year ago. At the time,what you are experencing is the way Acrobat is designed. Really puts limits on a good design feature. I forwarded a change request to Adobe at the time. To the best of my knowledge, no change occurred in version 2.1. jim watson@battelle.org 3-Oct-1995 13:20:23-GMT,1835;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA06377 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:20:21 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA14174; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:18:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA14125 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:16:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199510031316.IAA16716@glacier.binc.net> From: "Corne v. Strien" Subject: Availability of Adobe Acrobat 2.1 in Europe To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 14:15:38 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Corne v. Strien" Hello, I read in an E-mail message from orthlieb@adobe.com, dated 23 Aug 95: > Acrobat 2.1 (shipped to manufacturing yesterday!) supports Windows 3.1, > Windows 95, Windows NT, Macintosh, and Power Macintosh. I just tried to order this product from Adobe in the Netherlands (+31) 6-022-90-57 (Direct Sales), but they said that Acrobat Distiller version 2.1 was not yet available. Does anyone know anything about availability of this version in the Netherlands, if not, can anyone direct me to (responsive ;-) persons who do know. Kind regards, Corne van Strien. ============================================================================ Delft Hydraulics Corne van Strien Voorsterweg 28, P.O. BOX 152 Corne.vanStrien@wldelft.nl Marknesse, 8300 AD Emmeloord Netherlands Waterloopkundig Laboratorium|WL Tel: ++31 5274 2922 Fax: ++31 5274 3573 ============================================================================ 3-Oct-1995 15:20:01-GMT,2046;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA07268 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:19:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14676; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:19:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14625 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:15:44 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 09:04:30 PST Message-Id: <9509038127.AA812733107@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Acrobat Support for OLE & QuickTime Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com FYI, here's some info about Acrobat's support for Microsoft OLE and Apple QuickTime... Acrobat Exchange and Reader 2.1 for Windows support OLE and QuickTime. The only catch is that the Reader available on our Web server does not support either. It's a long story, but it has to do with control over the file size, as well as the redistribution of licensed technology. The easiest way to get the Reader with OLE and QuickTime is from the disk images on the Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD. If you don't have a copy of this CD, you can get one by calling 800-27-ADOBE. The Reader on the sampler CD supports OLE through the EMBEDSRV.API plug-in. This allows it to function as an OLE server (i.e., to launch a PDF file embedded in a Lotus Notes database). The Reader does not support full OLE automation. Also, the Reader does not initialize itself as an OLE server until you run it for the first time. If you just install the Reader and then try to use OLE, it won't work. Therefore, you must run the Reader BEFORE trying to use the OLE server functionality. Hope this helps someone... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems, Inc. 3-Oct-1995 15:32:28-GMT,1874;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA07350 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:32:25 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14847; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:31:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14798 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:29:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 08:29:30 PDT X-Sender: billworld@mail.accessone.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com From: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Subject: Re: Acrobat Support for OLE & QuickTime Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) At 9:04 AM 10/3/95, ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: > The easiest way to get the Reader with OLE and QuickTime is from the > disk images on the Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD. If you don't have a copy of > this CD, you can get one by calling 800-27-ADOBE. FYI. If you call, you might mention you'll take the Free Online Publishing Kit (which apparently contains the Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD as well). Seems like a better deal than the $9.95 Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD ordered by itself. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Bill Doerrfeld Blue World Communications bill@blueworld.com Issaquah, WA (yes that's near Seattle) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Specialists in the creative use of technology to enhance communications. Check out our website creations at http://www.blueworld.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - 3-Oct-1995 16:09:47-GMT,2191;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA07841 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:09:43 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15175; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:08:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA15126 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:06:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9510031605.AA10078@sirius.wi.WHU-Koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) From: Wolfgang Roeckelein Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 17:05:10 +0100 To: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld), ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: Acrobat Support for OLE & QuickTime Cc: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com References: X-Url: : http://www.whu-koblenz.de/~wolfgang/ Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Wolfgang Roeckelein Hi, >At 9:04 AM 10/3/95, ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: >> The easiest way to get the Reader with OLE and QuickTime is from the >> disk images on the Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD. If you don't have a copy of >> this CD, you can get one by calling 800-27-ADOBE. Does anybody have a non-800 number or even better a non-800 fax number? Calling 800-numbers from Europe is almost impossible... > >FYI. If you call, you might mention you'll take the Free Online Publishing >Kit (which apparently contains the Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD as well). Seems >like a better deal than the $9.95 Acrobat 2.1 sampler CD ordered by itself. Does anybody know if Adobe will ship the Free Kit to Europe? Thank you very much in advance, Wolfgang --- Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Inf. Voice: +49 261 6509 173 Wolfgang Roeckelein Fax: +49 261 6509 179 WHU Koblenz E-Mail: roeckelein@wi.whu-koblenz.de Burgplatz 2 (MIME and NeXTmail ok) D-56179 Vallendar WWW: http://www.whu-koblenz.de/~wolfgang/ Germany GCM/B d-- s: a- C++ US+++$ UX+++ P+ L E? W++ N++ w-- O-(++) M+ !V PS++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+ 5? X? R+ tv b++ DI D++ G e+++>++++ h+ r++>% y? (Geek Code V3.x) 3-Oct-1995 20:15:39-GMT,1782;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA11335 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:15:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15868; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:56:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA15812 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:53:42 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 14:26:22 PST Message-Id: <9509038127.AA812745598@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: duvall@.uiuc.edu (Darin L. Duvall), PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Acrobat and FileMaker Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com AppleScript is another way to "link" PDF to FileMaker, since both support scripting very well. Infor mation on scripting Acrobat i savailable on our Web site under Support and Technical Notes; see Tech Notes 5153 and 5155. Please note that 5155 is being revised and will be reposted to include some additions to AE support in Acrobat 2.1. Gary Cosimini _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat and FileMaker From: duvall@.uiuc.edu (Darin L. Duvall) at cc_smtp2 Date: 9/26/95 11:31 AM I'm setting up a Filemaker database for a client, and they want to have links from a person's Filemaker record to an Acrobat file that contains their resume, letters of recommendation, etc. What is the best way to link Filemaker records to specific Acrobat Files? (This will be done under Windows 95 on networked Pentium machines). I'm willing to do a little coding if necessary, but I don't know where to start. Please advise! - Darin. 3-Oct-1995 20:32:24-GMT,1932;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA11511 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:32:20 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16265; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:18:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA16220 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:17:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 16:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Re[3]: Open PDF Fullscreen To: Rusty_Speidel@kcj.ccmail.compuserve.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <9509038127.AA812762126@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson You may define the size of the linked page when you define the link. When you create a link and are given the opportunity to go there, just set that location's page size to your desired size. When you press OK on the link screen, Exchange should save the exact settings you chose at the link destination. Good luck, ==== Rusty, thanks for the suggestion, I have not tried it with version 2.1 yet, but with version 2.0, it just does not work. Acrobat 2.0 will not allow you to switch back and forth to a full screen. Believe me when I say I tried several times and several different ways. Even Adobe finally agreed that it does not work. I was told by them that I would need to write a special plug-in. Well plug-ins do not work with the 2.0 reader. Which brings up the question about the 2.1 Readers. Does anyone know under what situations that a plug-in works with the 2.1 Reader now that Adobe has added the ability for it to use the Web and Quicktime plug-ins? Will any plug-in now work or only theirs? Jim watson@battelle.org 4-Oct-1995 11:17:26-GMT,1547;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA17620 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 05:17:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA20334; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 06:00:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA20277 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 05:54:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199510041053.FAA23136@glacier.binc.net> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Mazeworld Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 11:52:21 +0100 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith Dear All, I've written a game for Acrobat! It's a simple maze which you can walk around, but it's quite a good example of a PDF document which makes no sense when read linearly. It really NEEDS hypertext links, unlike most PDF documents which just have them to make navigation a bit easier. Phil. >Mazeworld is a maze game in the form of a PDF file. It can be played by >anyone with PDF viewing software such as Adobe Acrobat Reader or Exchange >(all versions). Please take a look at > http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/mazeworld/ >and let me know what you think. >Phil. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 4-Oct-1995 13:08:58-GMT,1050;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA18024 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 07:08:56 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA20896; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:07:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA20840 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:05:34 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 06:00:21 PDT Message-Id: <9510041300.AA17196@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Open PDF Full Screen To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199510030450.XAA12024@grandcanyon.binc.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com Brud, You don't mention whether or not that when screen links were created in Exchange that the correct zoom was specified. Is this the case? Bryan 4-Oct-1995 13:33:32-GMT,1022;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA18243 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 07:33:29 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA21114; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:32:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA21065 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:30:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark R Carter To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PDF Document Comparison Software Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mark R Carter Is there a software package that allows one to compare two versions of a document in PDF format to determine differences between those documents. Thanks, Mark Carter 4-Oct-1995 20:52:50-GMT,1525;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA24102 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:52:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22997; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:51:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA22945 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:46:56 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 13:41:23 PDT Message-Id: <9510042041.AA10777@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Reader Clarification To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com Could I please have some clarification from Adobe on the distribution of the Reader. We want to post version 2.1 on our web site when it turns on this month. Is there a problem with this? Also, in some special cases we want to distribute it on diskette to our local customers, is this a problem? Finally, is there any reselling agreement we can get for the CD Sampler? PS: To all Digest subscribers. I am interested in a dialog of idea's on marketing concepts for electronic documents. If there are any other publisher types out there with similar interests, please speak up. Would consider donating my time to creating what else....a PDF newsletter for our thoughts. Bryan 4-Oct-1995 21:59:02-GMT,2123;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA25180 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:58:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23714; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:50:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23671 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:49:40 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 17:40:36 PST Message-Id: <9509048128.AA812843125@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: bryancw@interserv.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Reader Clarification Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com The free Acrobat 2.1 Reader may be freely posted on any website for distribution. You may also distribute it on disk media or post it on your local server. Note that the CD conytains 2 Reader installers; the to distribute the one that includes QuickTime requires a signed license agreement from Apple (1 408 974 4667). >From what I know the CD Sampler is only sold directly. It's part number is 0397- 0959; you could call Adobe Sales and ask--1 800 83 FONTS. Gary Cosimini _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Reader Clarification From: bryancw@interserv.com at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/4/95 1:41 PM Could I please have some clarification from Adobe on the distribution of the Reader. We want to post version 2.1 on our web site when it turns on this month. Is there a problem with this? Also, in some special cases we want to distribute it on diskette to our local customers, is this a problem? Finally, is there any reselling agreement we can get for the CD Sampler? PS: To all Digest subscribers. I am interested in a dialog of idea's on marketing concepts for electronic documents. If there are any other publisher types out there with similar interests, please speak up. Would consider donating my time to creating what else....a PDF newsletter for our thoughts. Bryan 5-Oct-1995 13:38:00-GMT,1893;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA00921 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 07:37:56 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA27170; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:36:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27106 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:29:25 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7.MUAS; Relayed; Thu, 05 Oct 1995 14:17:18 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7; Relayed; Thu, 05 Oct 1995 14:17:18 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Thu, 05 Oct 1995 14:26:45 -0500 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 14:17:18 -0500 (EST) From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 Subject: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem In-Reply-To: <9509048128.AA812843125@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Acrobat Mailing List Message-Id: <6518171405101995/A01993/UKIMS7/119A2B911100*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 119A2B911100 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;6518171405101995/A01993/UKIMS7] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 We're having problems with Acrobat Reader 2.0 and 2.1 on one of Macs - everything installs fine, but on rebooting, we get an "Application Unknown unexpectedly quit with error number -1" error. The same thing happens if you subsequently try to run the Reader. We suspect it's some sort of problem with ATM; the version which is currently installed on the Mac is ATM GX v3.7. Any suggestions? The Mac is a Centris 600AV running System 7.5, and it's got 16Mb. Slainte, Calum. 5-Oct-1995 15:32:39-GMT,1838;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA01843 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:32:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA27681; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:31:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA27631 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:28:19 -0500 From: MRemingtn@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:27:29 -0400 Message-ID: <951005112728_116810694@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Netscape viewer problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: MRemingtn@aol.com After my old version of Netscape (1.1n) ran out last week, I installed Netscape 1.22. Since then I've had a problem viewing PDF files. Of course, I first used Netscape Preferences to configure the PDF as a new MIME type. But no matter what I do, Netscape sees the PDF as an "application octet-stream" file. When I try to view a PDF, Netscape asks if it should configure a viewer for this "application octet-stream" or save it to disk. If I configure a viewer (Reader or Exchange), then it and the PDF will open fine. BUT, an "application octet-stream" is an exe or bin file. So when I try to download an executable file in NS, Acrobat Exchange opens! Alternatively, when I configure NS to save the octet-stream file to disk (surprise surprise) any PDF I try to read gets saved to disk. I've re-installed and reconfigured NS several times, but it continues to confuse PDFs with octet-stream files. I've considered re-installing NS 1.1x, but since it "ran out" last week that seems a poor solution. Has anyone else encountered this error? Thanks for any advice, Marti Remington University of Nebraska 5-Oct-1995 19:45:56-GMT,2524;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA05088 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:45:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28567; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:43:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA28485 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:40:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:36:44 PDT From: Bill Behr Subject: RE: Netscape viewer problem To: MRemingtn@aol.com Cc: Emerge PDF Discussion Group X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bill Behr >After my old version of Netscape (1.1n) ran out >last week, I installed Netscape 1.22. Since then I've >had a problem viewing PDF files. > >I've re-installed and reconfigured NS several times, >but it continues to confuse PDFs with octet-stream files. >I've considered re-installing NS 1.1x, but since it "ran out" >last week that seems a poor solution. > >Has anyone else encountered this error? >Thanks for any advice, > >Marti Remington >University of Nebraska >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had similar problems with the 1.22 version of Netscape. I had configured the viewer correctly under Options Preferences. When I tried to open a pdf from a web site, I got an error message stating "viewer error 8". I tested it by trying to view the pdf of the TimesFax. After it downloaded I received an error message saying something like "Viewer error 8". I had to save the pdf to disk and then manually open it in Exchange. I tried downloading today's TimesFax. Today, however, I did not get an error message and it opened perfectly. I did not make any changes to my Netscape configuration so I do not know why it worked today and didn't yesterday. Hmmm...I am still puzzled. ----------------------------------------------- From: William G. Behr, Senior Associate CB Commercial Real Estate Group, Inc. Fort Worth/Dallas, Texas (817) 861-7711 E-mail: wgbehr@onramp.net WWW: http://rampages.onramp.net/~wgbehr/ Date: 10/05/95 Time: 13:36:45 Central Time This message was sent by Chameleon ----------------------------------------------- 5-Oct-1995 20:22:04-GMT,1946;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA05562 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:21:58 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA28824; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:20:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA28753 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:17:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Replace Page-Lost of links To: PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <9509058129.AA812934982@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson We began changing our process for a project and ran into the following problem. In our old process, we - created a new PDF file by using the PDF Writer from FrameMaker then we - added links to new file by importing the images from the new PDF file into a PDF template file by using the replace page function. (The template file contains about ten (10) links per page, both internal and external, and from nine (9) to thirty (30) pages.) This worked great in both the Mac and the Windows environments. However, we started to print the FrameMaker files to postscript and then process them with the Windows' version of the Distiller. However, when we now do a replace page command with a PDF file processed by the distiller, all the links on that page disappear. The postscribe version of the PDF file deletes all the links on each replaced page. We do not understand why. Can anyone explain what is happening? Is there a workaround? Software - Acrobat Exchange 2.0 (we do not have 2.1 yet) FrameMaker, both version 4 and 5 Jim watson@battelle.org 5-Oct-1995 20:57:59-GMT,2105;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA05919 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:57:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29106; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:53:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA29060 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:51:07 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:45:47 PDT Message-Id: <9510052045.AA06193@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PDF People To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com I have had a fair number of e-mail responses to my posting a few days ago regarding interest in a possible newsletter for Acrobat PDF people. Following this thread for awhile shows me there are some smart people out there (at least quick learner's) among Acrobat publisher types. Acrobat seems to be on the cusp of taking off in the same way PostScript did some years ago, and the bunch of people reading this are probably the most knowledgeable. I would like to propose a publication (PDF of course) that those having experience in the following area's contribute a little something, including a PDF file. 1. Commercial use 2. Educational use 3. Governmental use 4. Legal Use 5. Entertainment use 6. Galactic Empire Building (just kidding) If I have missed something please chime in. Would those having experience using Capture, Web-Link and Search please contribute something. Also those souls who have authored a CD in Acrobat, or planning to, should speak up. In the interest of fairness and keeping the playing field level how about Adobe acting in some capacity to broker this thing. I would be willing to pay a few bucks each quarter for a CD publication of what all us Acrobat genius' have to say. What say Adobe? We do the work, you publish! Bryan 5-Oct-1995 22:16:15-GMT,1061;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA06776 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:16:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29487; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:15:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA29446 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:12:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9510052212.AA1063@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: bryancw Cc: PDF-L From: Bob Marsh Date: 5 Oct 95 15:19:18 EDT Subject: Re: PDF People Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >Also those souls who have authored a CD in Acrobat, or >planning to, should speak up. > We've done quite a few. Not sure what you want to know and it's a big subject. Bob Marsh Sony Electronic Publishing 6-Oct-1995 1:04:15-GMT,1268;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA08338 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:04:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA30143; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:03:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA30066 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01BA934C.C383C3E0@red244.redshift.com> From: "Jerry L. Talkington" To: "'Pdf List'" Subject: FW: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 18:02:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Jerry L. Talkington" We're having problems with Acrobat Reader 2.0 and 2.1 on one of Macs We suspect it's some sort of problem with ATM; the version which is currently installed on the Mac is ATM GX v3.7. Acrobat requires ATM version 3.8.1 or higher. Version 3.8.3 (GX = compatible) should have come with Reader 2.1, so you might try = re-installing it (custom install?). 6-Oct-1995 7:49:22-GMT,1744;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA11027 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:49:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA32534; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 02:27:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA32487 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 02:24:32 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:12:38 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7; Relayed; Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:12:38 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:22:07 -0500 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 Subject: Re: FW: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem In-Reply-To: <01BA934C.C383C3E0@red244.redshift.com> To: Acrobat Mailing List Message-Id: <6138120806101995/A00167/UKIMS7/119A320C2500*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 119A320C2500 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;6138120806101995/A00167/UKIMS7] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 >Acrobat requires ATM version 3.8.1 or higher. Version 3.8.3 (GX compatible) should have come >with Reader 2.1, so you might try re-installing it (custom install?). ATM 3.8.3 installs itself just fine when we install the Reader, so that's not the problem in itself. Something somewhere just isn't co-operating. Slainte, Calum. 6-Oct-1995 8:30:38-GMT,1325;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA11119 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 02:30:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA00099; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 03:29:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA00046 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 03:27:45 -0500 X-Sender: janosh@chsun.eunet.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:26:52 +0200 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: janosh@alphamedia.ch (Jan Janosh Ivan) Subject: Re: PDF People Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: janosh@alphamedia.ch (Jan Janosh Ivan) >From: bryancw@interserv.com >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:45:47 PDT >Subject: PDF People <<<< We produced two such CD's, on of them for distribution worldwide in 4 languages. Next one in preparation for worldwide distribution in languages e, g, fr, sp & j. -janosh -- **** -- ALPHA MEDIA, Inc. Media Integration & Consulting Neubrunn, 8488 Turbenthal, Switzerland Phone: (052) 454 281 Fax: (052) 453 138 E-mail: janosh@alphamedia.ch -- **** -- 6-Oct-1995 12:37:57-GMT,1121;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA11829 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 06:37:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA00834; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:37:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA00764 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:34:55 -0500 From: "Richard Wagner" Message-Id: <9510060833.ZM24030@first1070.first12.lehman.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:33:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: pdf to ascii? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Richard Wagner" Is there a way to convert pdf files to ascii, stripping out all font and graphics info and leaving just the (unformatted) text? Thanks -- Rich Wagner rwagner@lehman.com Lehman Brothers (212) 526-9575 6-Oct-1995 12:56:33-GMT,1361;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA11887 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 06:56:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA01006; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:55:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA00960 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:54:00 -0500 From: djh@arinc.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:44:59 -0400 To: "Richard Wagner" , PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: pdf to ascii? Message-Id: <95Oct6.085353edt.30729@interlock.arinc.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: djh@arinc.com Here's one way (that may or may not work for you): 1. Print the PDF file to a PostScript file 2. Run any one of a number of freely available PS-to-ASCII converters on the PS file I use ps2ascii for step 2. I don't remember where I got it, but I got C source for it once upon a time, and it's a simple port for DOS or Unix. Good luck! David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com ------- Is there a way to convert pdf files to ascii, stripping out all font and graphics info and leaving just the (unformatted) text? Rich Wagner rwagner@lehman.com Lehman Brothers (212) 526-9575 6-Oct-1995 13:47:33-GMT,2251;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA12195 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:47:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA01313; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:46:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA01216 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:41:25 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:54:10 -0400 To: "'Pdf List'" , "Jerry L. Talkington" From: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) Subject: Re: FW: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) >We're having problems with Acrobat Reader 2.0 and 2.1 on one of Macs > >We suspect it's some sort of problem with ATM; the version which is >currently installed on the Mac is ATM GX v3.7. > >Acrobat requires ATM version 3.8.1 or higher. Version 3.8.3 (GX >compatible) should have come with Reader 2.1, so you might try >re-installing it (custom install?). I'm using Reader 2.1 and ATM 3.8.3 on our PowerMac 7100/80 with not hitches at all, but on my 7100/66, it is in a state on constant crash. I think it could also be a printer driver thing (?) +----------------------------------------------------+ | | | AGRICULTURAL BIOTECHNOLOGY | | FOR SUSTAINABLE PRODUCTIVITY | | ABSP Project | | Michigan State University | | 414 Plant & Soil Sciences Building | | East Lansing, MI 48824-1325 | | voice: (517) 432-1640 | | FAX: (517) 432-1982 | | | +----------------------------------------------------+ | DEAN P. NORTON e-mail: nortond@isl.msu.edu | +----------------------------------------------------+ 6-Oct-1995 14:15:22-GMT,9391;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA12389 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:15:19 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01565; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:13:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA01479 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:11:33 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 07:06:08 PDT Message-Id: <9510061406.AA11205@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for October-5-95 [V1 #50] To: pdf-l@emrg.com, pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net In-Reply-To: <199510060450.XAA30937@grandcanyon.binc.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net wrote: > >PDF-DIGEST Thursday, 5 October 1995 Volume 01 : Number 050 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >There are 7 messages totalling 274 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the Day: > > 1. Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > 2. Netscape viewer problem > 3. RE: Netscape viewer problem > 4. Replace Page-Lost of links > 5. PDF People > 6. Re: PDF People > 7. FW: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 14:17:18 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > >We're having problems with Acrobat Reader 2.0 and 2.1 on one of Macs >- - everything installs fine, but on rebooting, we get an "Application >Unknown unexpectedly quit with error number -1" error. The same thing >happens if you subsequently try to run the Reader. > >We suspect it's some sort of problem with ATM; the version which is >currently installed on the Mac is ATM GX v3.7. > >Any suggestions? The Mac is a Centris 600AV running System 7.5, and >it's got 16Mb. > >Slainte, >Calum. > > > >------------------------------ > >From: MRemingtn@aol.com >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:27:29 -0400 >Subject: Netscape viewer problem > >After my old version of Netscape (1.1n) ran out >last week, I installed Netscape 1.22. Since then I've >had a problem viewing PDF files. > >Of course, I first used Netscape Preferences to >configure the PDF as a new MIME type. But no matter >what I do, Netscape sees the PDF as an >"application octet-stream" file. When I try to view a PDF, >Netscape asks if it should configure a viewer for this "application >octet-stream" or save it to disk. > >If I configure a viewer (Reader or Exchange), then it and the PDF >will open fine. > >BUT, an "application octet-stream" is an exe or bin file. >So when I try to download an executable file in NS, >Acrobat Exchange opens! Alternatively, when I configure NS >to save the octet-stream file to disk (surprise surprise) >any PDF I try to read gets saved to disk. > >I've re-installed and reconfigured NS several times, >but it continues to confuse PDFs with octet-stream files. >I've considered re-installing NS 1.1x, but since it "ran out" >last week that seems a poor solution. > >Has anyone else encountered this error? >Thanks for any advice, > >Marti Remington >University of Nebraska > >------------------------------ > >From: Bill Behr >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:36:44 PDT >Subject: RE: Netscape viewer problem > >>After my old version of Netscape (1.1n) ran out >>last week, I installed Netscape 1.22. Since then I've >>had a problem viewing PDF files. >> >>I've re-installed and reconfigured NS several times, >>but it continues to confuse PDFs with octet-stream files. >>I've considered re-installing NS 1.1x, but since it "ran out" >>last week that seems a poor solution. >> >>Has anyone else encountered this error? >>Thanks for any advice, >> >>Marti Remington >>University of Nebraska >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >I have had similar problems with the 1.22 version of Netscape. >I had configured the viewer correctly under Options Preferences. >When I tried to open a pdf from a web site, I got an error >message stating "viewer error 8". > >I tested it by trying to view the pdf of the TimesFax. >After it downloaded I received an error message saying >something like "Viewer error 8". I had to save the pdf >to disk and then manually open it in Exchange. > >I tried downloading today's TimesFax. Today, however, >I did not get an error message and it opened perfectly. >I did not make any changes to my Netscape configuration >so I do not know why it worked today and didn't yesterday. > >Hmmm...I am still puzzled. > > > >- ----------------------------------------------- >From: William G. Behr, Senior Associate > CB Commercial Real Estate Group, Inc. > Fort Worth/Dallas, Texas > (817) 861-7711 >E-mail: wgbehr@onramp.net >WWW: http://rampages.onramp.net/~wgbehr/ >Date: 10/05/95 >Time: 13:36:45 Central Time > >This message was sent by Chameleon >- ----------------------------------------------- > > > >------------------------------ > >From: James R Watson >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Replace Page-Lost of links > >We began changing our process for a project and ran into the following problem. > >In our old process, we > > - created a new PDF file by using the PDF Writer from FrameMaker > >then we > > - added links to new file by importing the images from the new PDF file > into a PDF template file by using the replace page function. > (The template file contains about ten (10) links per page, both internal > and external, and from nine (9) to thirty (30) pages.) > >This worked great in both the Mac and the Windows environments. > >However, we started to print the FrameMaker files to postscript and then >process them with the Windows' version of the Distiller. However, when we now >do a replace page command with a PDF file processed by the distiller, all the >links on that page disappear. The postscribe version of the PDF file deletes >all the links on each replaced page. > >We do not understand why. > >Can anyone explain what is happening? Is there a workaround? > >Software - Acrobat Exchange 2.0 (we do not have 2.1 yet) > FrameMaker, both version 4 and 5 > >Jim >watson@battelle.org > > > >------------------------------ > >From: bryancw@interserv.com >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:45:47 PDT >Subject: PDF People > >I have had a fair number of e-mail responses to my posting a few days ago >regarding interest in a possible newsletter for Acrobat PDF people. Following >this thread for awhile shows me there are some smart people out there (at least >quick learner's) among Acrobat publisher types. Acrobat seems to be on the cusp >of taking off in the same way PostScript did some years ago, and the bunch of >people reading this are probably the most knowledgeable. >I would like to propose a publication (PDF of course) that those having >experience in the following area's contribute a little something, including a >PDF file. >1. Commercial use >2. Educational use >3. Governmental use >4. Legal Use >5. Entertainment use >6. Galactic Empire Building (just kidding) >If I have missed something please chime in. >Would those having experience using Capture, Web-Link and Search please >contribute something. Also those souls who have authored a CD in Acrobat, or >planning to, should speak up. >In the interest of fairness and keeping the playing field level how about Adobe >acting in some capacity to broker this thing. I would be willing to pay a few >bucks each quarter for a CD publication of what all us Acrobat genius' have to >say. What say Adobe? We do the work, you publish! >Bryan > >------------------------------ > >From: Bob Marsh >Date: 5 Oct 95 15:19:18 EDT >Subject: Re: PDF People > >>Also those souls who have authored a CD in Acrobat, or >>planning to, should speak up. >> >We've done quite a few. Not sure what you want to know and it's a big subject. >Bob Marsh >Sony Electronic Publishing Bob Marsh writes: "We've done quite a few. Not sure what you want to know and it's a big subject." - in response to my query to PDF People. Bob works with Sony and has CD publishing experience using Acrobat. Could Bob detail how a specific project was created and what tools were used? Perhaps a few thousand words as a PDF document. Whatever graphic elements of the project that could be included would be great. Bryan > >------------------------------ > >From: "Jerry L. Talkington" >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 18:02:36 -0700 >Subject: FW: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > >We're having problems with Acrobat Reader 2.0 and 2.1 on one of Macs > >We suspect it's some sort of problem with ATM; the version which is >currently installed on the Mac is ATM GX v3.7. > >Acrobat requires ATM version 3.8.1 or higher. Version 3.8.3 (GX = >compatible) should have come with Reader 2.1, so you might try = >re-installing it (custom install?). > >------------------------------ > >End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #50 >************************ > > > > 6-Oct-1995 14:15:53-GMT,9391;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA12394 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:15:50 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01563; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:13:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA01483 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:11:35 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 07:06:08 PDT Message-Id: <9510061406.AA11205@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for October-5-95 [V1 #50] To: pdf-l@emrg.com, pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net In-Reply-To: <199510060450.XAA30937@grandcanyon.binc.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net wrote: > >PDF-DIGEST Thursday, 5 October 1995 Volume 01 : Number 050 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >There are 7 messages totalling 274 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the Day: > > 1. Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > 2. Netscape viewer problem > 3. RE: Netscape viewer problem > 4. Replace Page-Lost of links > 5. PDF People > 6. Re: PDF People > 7. FW: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 14:17:18 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > >We're having problems with Acrobat Reader 2.0 and 2.1 on one of Macs >- - everything installs fine, but on rebooting, we get an "Application >Unknown unexpectedly quit with error number -1" error. The same thing >happens if you subsequently try to run the Reader. > >We suspect it's some sort of problem with ATM; the version which is >currently installed on the Mac is ATM GX v3.7. > >Any suggestions? The Mac is a Centris 600AV running System 7.5, and >it's got 16Mb. > >Slainte, >Calum. > > > >------------------------------ > >From: MRemingtn@aol.com >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:27:29 -0400 >Subject: Netscape viewer problem > >After my old version of Netscape (1.1n) ran out >last week, I installed Netscape 1.22. Since then I've >had a problem viewing PDF files. > >Of course, I first used Netscape Preferences to >configure the PDF as a new MIME type. But no matter >what I do, Netscape sees the PDF as an >"application octet-stream" file. When I try to view a PDF, >Netscape asks if it should configure a viewer for this "application >octet-stream" or save it to disk. > >If I configure a viewer (Reader or Exchange), then it and the PDF >will open fine. > >BUT, an "application octet-stream" is an exe or bin file. >So when I try to download an executable file in NS, >Acrobat Exchange opens! Alternatively, when I configure NS >to save the octet-stream file to disk (surprise surprise) >any PDF I try to read gets saved to disk. > >I've re-installed and reconfigured NS several times, >but it continues to confuse PDFs with octet-stream files. >I've considered re-installing NS 1.1x, but since it "ran out" >last week that seems a poor solution. > >Has anyone else encountered this error? >Thanks for any advice, > >Marti Remington >University of Nebraska > >------------------------------ > >From: Bill Behr >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:36:44 PDT >Subject: RE: Netscape viewer problem > >>After my old version of Netscape (1.1n) ran out >>last week, I installed Netscape 1.22. Since then I've >>had a problem viewing PDF files. >> >>I've re-installed and reconfigured NS several times, >>but it continues to confuse PDFs with octet-stream files. >>I've considered re-installing NS 1.1x, but since it "ran out" >>last week that seems a poor solution. >> >>Has anyone else encountered this error? >>Thanks for any advice, >> >>Marti Remington >>University of Nebraska >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >I have had similar problems with the 1.22 version of Netscape. >I had configured the viewer correctly under Options Preferences. >When I tried to open a pdf from a web site, I got an error >message stating "viewer error 8". > >I tested it by trying to view the pdf of the TimesFax. >After it downloaded I received an error message saying >something like "Viewer error 8". I had to save the pdf >to disk and then manually open it in Exchange. > >I tried downloading today's TimesFax. Today, however, >I did not get an error message and it opened perfectly. >I did not make any changes to my Netscape configuration >so I do not know why it worked today and didn't yesterday. > >Hmmm...I am still puzzled. > > > >- ----------------------------------------------- >From: William G. Behr, Senior Associate > CB Commercial Real Estate Group, Inc. > Fort Worth/Dallas, Texas > (817) 861-7711 >E-mail: wgbehr@onramp.net >WWW: http://rampages.onramp.net/~wgbehr/ >Date: 10/05/95 >Time: 13:36:45 Central Time > >This message was sent by Chameleon >- ----------------------------------------------- > > > >------------------------------ > >From: James R Watson >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Replace Page-Lost of links > >We began changing our process for a project and ran into the following problem. > >In our old process, we > > - created a new PDF file by using the PDF Writer from FrameMaker > >then we > > - added links to new file by importing the images from the new PDF file > into a PDF template file by using the replace page function. > (The template file contains about ten (10) links per page, both internal > and external, and from nine (9) to thirty (30) pages.) > >This worked great in both the Mac and the Windows environments. > >However, we started to print the FrameMaker files to postscript and then >process them with the Windows' version of the Distiller. However, when we now >do a replace page command with a PDF file processed by the distiller, all the >links on that page disappear. The postscribe version of the PDF file deletes >all the links on each replaced page. > >We do not understand why. > >Can anyone explain what is happening? Is there a workaround? > >Software - Acrobat Exchange 2.0 (we do not have 2.1 yet) > FrameMaker, both version 4 and 5 > >Jim >watson@battelle.org > > > >------------------------------ > >From: bryancw@interserv.com >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 13:45:47 PDT >Subject: PDF People > >I have had a fair number of e-mail responses to my posting a few days ago >regarding interest in a possible newsletter for Acrobat PDF people. Following >this thread for awhile shows me there are some smart people out there (at least >quick learner's) among Acrobat publisher types. Acrobat seems to be on the cusp >of taking off in the same way PostScript did some years ago, and the bunch of >people reading this are probably the most knowledgeable. >I would like to propose a publication (PDF of course) that those having >experience in the following area's contribute a little something, including a >PDF file. >1. Commercial use >2. Educational use >3. Governmental use >4. Legal Use >5. Entertainment use >6. Galactic Empire Building (just kidding) >If I have missed something please chime in. >Would those having experience using Capture, Web-Link and Search please >contribute something. Also those souls who have authored a CD in Acrobat, or >planning to, should speak up. >In the interest of fairness and keeping the playing field level how about Adobe >acting in some capacity to broker this thing. I would be willing to pay a few >bucks each quarter for a CD publication of what all us Acrobat genius' have to >say. What say Adobe? We do the work, you publish! >Bryan > >------------------------------ > >From: Bob Marsh >Date: 5 Oct 95 15:19:18 EDT >Subject: Re: PDF People > >>Also those souls who have authored a CD in Acrobat, or >>planning to, should speak up. >> >We've done quite a few. Not sure what you want to know and it's a big subject. >Bob Marsh >Sony Electronic Publishing Bob Marsh writes: "We've done quite a few. Not sure what you want to know and it's a big subject." - in response to my query to PDF People. Bob works with Sony and has CD publishing experience using Acrobat. Could Bob detail how a specific project was created and what tools were used? Perhaps a few thousand words as a PDF document. Whatever graphic elements of the project that could be included would be great. Bryan > >------------------------------ > >From: "Jerry L. Talkington" >Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 18:02:36 -0700 >Subject: FW: Mac Reader / QuickDraw GX problem > >We're having problems with Acrobat Reader 2.0 and 2.1 on one of Macs > >We suspect it's some sort of problem with ATM; the version which is >currently installed on the Mac is ATM GX v3.7. > >Acrobat requires ATM version 3.8.1 or higher. Version 3.8.3 (GX = >compatible) should have come with Reader 2.1, so you might try = >re-installing it (custom install?). > >------------------------------ > >End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #50 >************************ > > > > 6-Oct-1995 15:21:18-GMT,1743;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA12932 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:21:15 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01984; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:20:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA01934 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:18:22 -0500 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 11:06:08 EST Message-Id: <9509068130.AA813003467@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: cooperk.hehs@viper.gao.gov, palincsars.oimc@viper.gao.gov Subject: Capture Quality Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov We've been using Capture to convert some newspaper quality material and some stray dingbat characters and @ symbols crop up from time to time. In general, we've noticed that the lighter the original, the better job Capture does. I'm wondering if anyone has advice on this matter. Specifically, I'm wondering if anyone has tried working with scanning the original material at various resolutions and what those results have been. While on the subject of Capture, we've also noticed that columns are logically laid down across the page from top of page to bottom (rather than column to column). So, once you're in Acrobat and you select text, you can't select a single column. You end up selecting across columns. Am we doing something wrong or is this just a needed enhancement to Capture? Joe 6-Oct-1995 15:50:17-GMT,1947;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA13336 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:50:14 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02230; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:49:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02181 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:46:22 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 08:42:09 pst Message-Id: <9509068129.AA812994129@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: pdf to ascii? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com The Acrobat development environment (Software Development Kit) makes it possible to extract the ASCII text from a PDF file (e.g. for indexing). Check Adobe Developer Support on our web site for more information. The code to extract text comes with the SDK. You can also do the same with OLE or AppleEvents. See Adobe Technical documents 5153 and 5155 to see how automation can control Acrobat Exchange. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: pdf to ascii? From: djh@arinc.com at cc_smtp5 Date: 10/6/95 6:07 AM Here's one way (that may or may not work for you): 1. Print the PDF file to a PostScript file 2. Run any one of a number of freely available PS-to-ASCII converters on the PS file I use ps2ascii for step 2. I don't remember where I got it, but I got C source for it once upon a time, and it's a simple port for DOS or Unix. Good luck! David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com ------- Is there a way to convert pdf files to ascii, stripping out all font and graphics info and leaving just the (unformatted) text? Rich Wagner rwagner@lehman.com Lehman Brothers (212) 526-9575 6-Oct-1995 15:52:32-GMT,1679;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA13365 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:52:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02360; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:51:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02289 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:50:20 -0500 From: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) To: PDF-L@emrg.com (PDF-L) Message-ID: <1995Oct06.104400.1178.72747@msm2.atk.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: Alliant Techsystems, Inc. Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 10:44:50 -0700 Subject: RE: PDF People Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) We, at Alliant, have created a 6 CD set of PDFs for the USArmy. These are maintenance manuals for tanks, jeeps, and such. These 6 CDs are over 80,000 pages. They were all built using Capture. They were automatically hyperlinked and bookmarked using our InfoLinker plug-in tool. There are mostly links inside the documents but all external links that are referenced connect to the other documents and can cross to other CD volumes by name. We built a front-end tool to access the documents by title and the user is prompted for loading volumes when necessary and if not accessed on a jukebox. There are hundreds of thousands of links and bookmarks in the data set. More than 500 sets have been distributed so far. Bob Radtke 6-Oct-1995 16:13:17-GMT,2111;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA13558 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:13:14 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02599; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:10:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA02537 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:08:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199510061607.AA01306@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: duvall@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:09:11 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: duvall@uiuc.edu (Darin L. Duvall) Subject: Capture/Selecting Text Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: duvall@uiuc.edu (Darin L. Duvall) Joe writes: While on the subject of Capture, we've also noticed that > columns are logically laid down across the page from top of > page to bottom (rather than column to column). So, once > you're in Acrobat and you select text, you can't select a > single column. You end up selecting across columns. Am we > doing something wrong or is this just a needed enhancement > to Capture? > > Joe I can't address the issue of improving the performance of OCR in Capture. All PDF files read the text from left to right across the page, regardless of whether or not the text is actually in columns. To select a column of text, use the text tool and hold down the Control key, (Option on the Mac), and drag a box around the text you want to select. - Darin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Darin Duvall, MIS Consultant University of Illinois _______________________ Administrative Information | voice: (217) 333-9790 Systems & Services | fax: (217) 333-3433 ___________________________ | _______________________ 50 Gerty Drive | Champaign, IL 61820 | e-mail: duvall@uiuc.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 6-Oct-1995 16:25:06-GMT,809;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA13801 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:25:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02792; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:23:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA02722 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:22:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 08:16:48 PDT From: "CarlsoDG" Message-Id: <9509068129.AA812996566@ccmail.apldbio.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Removal from mailing list Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "CarlsoDG" How do i get off this mailing list? 6-Oct-1995 18:16:08-GMT,1800;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA14953 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:16:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA03393; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:09:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA03346 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:07:34 -0500 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 14:01:32 EST Message-Id: <9509068130.AA813013659@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Capture Quality Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov All, Whenever I send a file, it seems to loose the first paragraph. Here goes again. We've been using Capture to convert some newspaper quality material and some stray dingbat characters and @ symbols crop up from time to time. In general, we've noticed that the lighter the original, the better job Capture does. I'm wondering if anyone has advice on this matter. Specifically, I'm wondering if anyone has tried working with scanning the original material at various resolutions and what those results have been. While on the subject of Capture, we've also noticed that columns are logically laid down across the page from top of page to bottom (rather than column to column). So, once you're in Acrobat and you select text, you can't select a single column. You end up selecting across columns. Am we doing something wrong or is this just a needed enhancement to Capture? Joe 6-Oct-1995 19:32:43-GMT,1046;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA15746 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:32:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04000; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:31:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03898 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:28:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 14:49:41 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Re[2]: PDF People To: rradtke@ATK.com (Robert Radtke), PDF-L@emrg.com Message-id: <9509068130.AA813018335@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson Bob, I would be interested in hearing more about InfoLinker.... They were automatically hyperlinked and bookmarked using our InfoLinker plug-in tool. Jim watson@battelle.org 6-Oct-1995 21:36:12-GMT,2327;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA17580 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:35:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04480; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:33:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04427 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:29:32 -0500 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199510062129.RAA23322@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Capture Quality To: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu In-Reply-To: <9509068130.AA813013659@mailgateway.gao.gov> from "carmelj.atc@gao.gov" at Oct 6, 95 02:01:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn2.9] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1207 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse [Stuff deleted] > > While on the subject of Capture, we've also noticed that > columns are logically laid down across the page from top of > page to bottom (rather than column to column). So, once > you're in Acrobat and you select text, you can't select a > single column. You end up selecting across columns. Am we > doing something wrong or is this just a needed enhancement > to Capture? Joe: This one has, I believe, and easy answer. Select the text selection tool in Acrobat Exchange as usual. Before selecting the text, hold down the Ctrl key (in Windows) or the Option key (with a Mac) and now you can select a retangular region of text. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Oct-1995 21:39:02-GMT,3722;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA17623 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:38:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04571; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:35:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04528 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:35:04 -0500 From: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) To: PDF-L@emrg.com (PDF-L) Message-ID: <1995Oct06.162600.1178.73386@msm2.atk.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: Alliant Techsystems, Inc. Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 16:29:44 -0700 Subject: InfoLinker Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) I've received several requests from PDF-L subscribers for information on our automated linking plug-in called InfoLinker. Thought I'd distribute it. Bob Radtke Technology Manager (813) 572-2220 ADESI Product: InfoLinker, An Intelligent Hyperlink Engine Company: Alliant Defense Electronics Systems, Inc. (ADESI) P.O. Box 4648 MS-102 Clearwater, FL 34618-4648 InfoLinker is an intelligent hyperlinking engine and Adobe Acrobat 2.0 plug-in. Simply stated, InfoLinker creates hotspots -- automatic links from one piece of information to another -- that allow users to click on the hotspot boxes and move quickly to the associated destinations. (That's right. You click on Page 246 in the Index and InfoLinker takes you there -- and back.) Internal links are created for ease of navigation within a given document, and external links are established for quick access to other referenced documents. InfoLinker's advanced technology also produces automated bookmarks, helpful tools that list, and in some cases outline, all of the document's destinations. This feature allows for optional navigational capabilities: click on the bookmark, move to the designated location. How does this all work? First, the rule-writer formulates the rules that tell InfoLinker how to connect information. A simple document has as few as two rules, while more complex documents can require up to 40 or 50 rules. Ultimately, these directive statements aid the viewer -- the person who simply opens the document, clicks on hotspots or bookmarks and moves to desired locations. Rule-writers create hotspots for virtually all major components of a document: chapters, figures, tables, appendices, externally-related documents, and so on. The beauty of InfoLinker? The rule-based hyperlinking engine builds the hotspots automatically. Innovation at its best. Enhanced for ease of use, release 2.2.4 features automated bookmark naming and time-saving rule templates that can be applied to multiple documents of similar structure. Who needs InfoLinker? Anyone in the Adobe Acrobat Portable Document Format (PDF) realm who wants optimal document maneuverability and cross-document accessibility. Benefits: Smart documents at low cost Time-saving automated hyperlinking Intact rule sets; easy updates to document hyperlinks Rapid document maneuverability -- within and between documents PDF-based, cross-platform capabilities Minimal hardware investment Platform: Windows 3.1; 486 or Pentium Price: $2,400 for InfoLinker plug-in Availability: Now shipping version 2.2.4 Training: Available at customer site or state-of-the art ADESI document conversion lab Contact: Greg Bell, ADESI 1-800-HELP-102 Voice: (813) 572-2220 Fax: (813) 572-2169 9-Oct-1995 15:12:57-GMT,1404;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA03507 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:12:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17402; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:11:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA17349 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:04:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:03:41 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: EMERGE 800# out of order Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss Pardon the commercial interruption, but we have just discovered that our switch to a new phone carrier has temporarily shut down the 800-number for EMERGE. Anyone wanting to contact us in the near term ought to use email or our local (long-distance) number: 608-829-3454 or fax: 608-829-3561 Back to the regularly scheduled programming ... ~Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 9-Oct-1995 21:18:27-GMT,2458;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA08171 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:18:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19291; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:17:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19242 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:12:28 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:20:28 -0500 To: PDF-L@emrg.com, jcook@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: ADVT>Acrobat plug-ins on web site Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss NOTE: Read no further if you are offended by on-line product promotions: We have added several demonstration/evaluation copies of plug-ins for Adobe Acrobat(tm) to the EMERGE web site, including the following special introductory offer: --- COMPOSE -- NOW SHIPPING! SPECIAL OFFER: Contact EMERGE for a one-time introductory price of $695 plus shipping and handling (Windows version-only now available) through the end of October (list is $795). In addition to the features cited below, the release version includes the ability to create style sheets and process "Bookmarks by Example" in batch mode. I.E. if you have documents with one or more standard formats, you can select the bookmarking options (font style, heading level, destination view, etc.) for one document and save the style in a library. Any time that you have a similar document to bookmark, select that style from your style library and apply it to the new document. Another tool from Software Partners, Compose streamlines production of PDF documents in several ways, including: quickly create bookmarks, easily copy hypertext links, compose large composite documents and navigate documents by title. Download and read this PDF file (16k) for more information. --- http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 10-Oct-1995 15:36:58-GMT,1672;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA16396 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:36:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23289; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:35:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA23226 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:26:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:26:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "Jeff Hansen, Data/Document Specialist (303)939-0321" Subject: Re: Netscape 2.0 and Acrobat To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: <01HW9QQ5ALKI000PC6@CAUSE.COLORADO.EDU> X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com X-VMS-To: IN%"pdf-l@emrg.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Jeff Hansen, Data/Document Specialist (303)939-0321" Just got the beta of Netscape 2.0 and I'm trying to figure out how Acobat fits into it. The literature says that its Java support is forthcoming, but says nothing about PDF, other than it supports plug-in architecture for it and Macromedia Director, among other things. I tried a PDF file on it and it still uses Exchange as a helper app. Does anyone know how this stuff works? Is there a plug-in that will be coming from Adobe? I thought it was supposed to be integrated into 2.0. Any thoughts or inside info on this? Jeff Hansen Data/Document Specialist CAUSE jhansen@cause.colorado.edu http://cause-www.colorado.edu/staff/hansen/jeff.html 10-Oct-1995 15:48:57-GMT,2086;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA16567 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:48:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23460; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:48:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA23406 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:45:14 -0500 Message-ID: Date: 10 Oct 1995 10:43:19 -0500 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: Netscape 2.0 and Acroba To: "Jeff Hansen, Data/Document Spe" , pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>>Netscape 2.0 and Acrobat The Netscape release notes mention support for Acrobat and Director will be in "later" betas. The same goes for Java on the Mac, though the Windows 2.0b1 does include Java support. Brian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian R Bezanson Manager of Multimedia Development Sells Printing Company 414/784-9500 16000 West Rogers Drive 414/784-7876 (fax) New Berlin, WI 53151 bezanson@sells.com http://www.sells.com/ -------------------------------------- Date: 10/10/95 10:39 AM To: Brian Bezanson From: Jeff Hansen, Data/Document Spe Just got the beta of Netscape 2.0 and I'm trying to figure out how Acobat fits into it. The literature says that its Java support is forthcoming, but says nothing about PDF, other than it supports plug-in architecture for it and Macromedia Director, among other things. I tried a PDF file on it and it still uses Exchange as a helper app. Does anyone know how this stuff works? Is there a plug-in that will be coming from Adobe? I thought it was supposed to be integrated into 2.0. Any thoughts or inside info on this? 10-Oct-1995 17:42:40-GMT,2400;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA18133 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:42:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA23965; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:28:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA23911 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:23:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:23:06 -0700 X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Brian Bezanson" From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Netscape 2.0 and Acroba Cc: "Jeff Hansen, Data/Document Spe" , pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 3:43 PM 10/10/95, Brian Bezanson wrote: >Re: RE>>Netscape 2.0 and Acrobat > >The Netscape release notes mention support for Acrobat and Director will be >in "later" betas. The same goes for Java on the Mac, though the Windows 2.0b1 >does include Java support. > >Brian Take a look at Adobe's "Amber" press release at: 09/26/95 Adobe to Optimize Acrobat Integration and Performance on the Internet http://www.adobe.com/PDFs/PR/9509/950926.amber.pdf It explains that future releases of Acrobat will include technology making the Reader a "plug-in" for a variety of apps, including Netscape and other WWW browsers. The press release promises a Windows beta on the Adobe WWW site within 30 days, but nothing on Mac or Unix implementations, though as the history of Acrobat has shown, these platforms will lag a bit behind the Windows release. It also talks about the ever so important optimization of PDF for Web delibery a page at a time... -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services Division, University Computing Services at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 11-Oct-1995 14:20:03-GMT,1331;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA00908 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:19:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28197; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:17:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28144 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:12:51 -0500 X-Sender: npitts@janus.sedl.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:09:08 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) Subject: Quark to pdf Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nat@sedl.org (Natanya) Has anyone else had problems converting QuarkXpress documents to pdf? My most pressing problem is that the text that wraps around a graphic in Quark is cut off in pdf. I've tried backgrounding the graphics in Quark before I set the files up for pdf but then the text doesn't wrap. I've used both the PDFWriter method and the ps to pdf via Distiller method with no success. Suggestions? Help. Thanks. Natanya Natanya Leathers nat@sedl.org "One of life's simple joys is playing with the boys." 11-Oct-1995 18:00:48-GMT,2151;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA03974 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:00:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28963; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:58:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA28901 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:50:39 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 10:45:14 PDT Message-Id: <9510111745.AA16078@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Newsletter News To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com Would like to tell all subscribers to this list that a definite interest level exists for a newsletter, if my mail is any indication. Here is what the combined genius of people on this list have surmised. An agreed upon "look" to a newsletter should be established. Individuals with something they can write about that others would enjoy learning about, should contribute a 1-4 page article, saved out as a PDF. (Don't forget thumbnails) One person (I will volunteer the first issue) would assemble individual pages into a gestalt newsletter. Articles can be e-mailed for the first issue to BryanW@globaldoc.com, after 10/12/95 when my web site turns on. I will volunteer to post the newsletter at my site. Others are welcome to mirror it. Article interest runs in two directions. First, and foremost, articles should be "how to" in nature - giving step by step details on how you did something nifty in Acrobat, including external tools you used. Second, some individuals have expressed a desire to share marketing idea's. For those of us (myself included) who are slugging it out in the marketplace, this would be a real help in getting PDF as well known as..... pen & paper. Should anyone wish to contribute their idea's please do so through the PDF Digest (PDF-L@emrg.com). Thanks - Bryan 11-Oct-1995 18:51:51-GMT,2198;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA04508 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:51:46 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA29293; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:50:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA29229 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:47:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199510111847.LAA06534@ernie.ucop.edu> X-Sender: dclouse@popserv.ucop.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:40:54 -0700 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) Subject: the *2* new Netscape 2.0 betas X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) ... so Netscape finally posted the 32-bit betas, as follows: ftp2.netscape.com/2.0beta/windows/n32e20b1j oct 11 0045 2641439 ftp2.netscape.com/2.0beta/windows/n32e20b1n oct 11 0045 2063869 Of course, there is no accompanying text file to explain the difference. The Netcom web site is, of course, flooded, so attempts to find out if they've posted any info there has been unsuccessful. Can anyone provide an accurate description of the differences in these files? Does one have support for Hot Java, or Japanes, which the other doesn't? Has anyone gotten an answer as to *which* beta will have PDF support? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- O _(*) /\ O ) `\-O _\/ \/ X -\>' -\<, -\>' (*)/ <, (*)` _\ _ *&! (*)/ (*) (*)/ (*) (*)/ (*) (*) ' O ` #@!&% ------------------------------------------=-^^^------------------------ Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu Office of the President University of California ... for a good time call http://www.kilroy.com/ (my home page) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Oct-1995 1:21:27-GMT,1420;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA09107 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 19:21:24 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA30624; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:05:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA30578 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:03:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199510120103.UAA08297@falcon.inetnebr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" To: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:03:51 +0008 Subject: RE: the *2* new Netscape 2.0 betas Reply-to: snake@inetnebr.com CC: PDF-L@emrg.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" Dennis, You asked about the differences between the 'J' and 'N' editions of n32e20b1. This is what I found: * Java Applet Support Netscape is available in both Java-enabled, and Non-Java versions. The Java-enabled binaries have a version number that ends with "J"; the Non-Java binaries have a version number that ends with "N". ==============:>~ Kent 'Snake' Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake 12-Oct-1995 14:09:32-GMT,1339;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA13533 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:09:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00919; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:47:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA00853 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:44:33 -0500 Date: 12 Oct 95 09:41:58 EDT From: To: Subject: Government Document Management Message-ID: <951012134158_702420.204300_BHD26-39@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: I have a client who is considering taking 55,000 pages of county records and converting them to CD-ROM. They liked the Acrobat interface and the fact that Capture did such a good job. What they need to see now is another state or county office that has undertaken this task, so that they can consider their options before making a decision. Anyone know of a state or county, preferably in Virginia, Maryland, West Virginia, or North Carolina, that has used Acrobat to make records available on computer? Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing 12-Oct-1995 16:45:07-GMT,1617;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA14977 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:45:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA01576; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:43:20 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01489 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:40:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:39:58 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: nortond@isl.cps.msu.edu (Dean Norton) suscribe PDF-L@emrg.com dean norton +----------------------------------------------------+ | | | AGRICULTURAL BIOTECHNOLOGY | | FOR SUSTAINABLE PRODUCTIVITY | | ABSP Project | | Michigan State University | | 414 Plant & Soil Sciences Building | | East Lansing, MI 48824-1325 | | voice: (517) 432-1640 | | FAX: (517) 432-1982 | | | +----------------------------------------------------+ | DEAN P. NORTON e-mail: nortond@isl.msu.edu | +----------------------------------------------------+ 13-Oct-1995 18:35:35-GMT,924;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA28089 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:35:28 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07137; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:35:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07068 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:30:20 -0500 From: jyocum@mail2.lmi.org Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 14:27:45 EST Message-Id: <9509138136.AA813619667@mail2.lmi.org> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Lotus SmarText vs. Acrobat Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jyocum@mail2.lmi.org Are there any good references comparing the capabilities of Lotus' SmarText and Adobe's Acrobat family of tools? Any hands-on experience comparing (or using) these products? 14-Oct-1995 22:10:53-GMT,1617;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA06700 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:10:50 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13018; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:10:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12952 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:07:57 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:17:05 PST Message-Id: <9509148136.AA813667238@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: chunt@mv.us.adobe.com, babcock@mv.us.adobe.com, frubino@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Capture [in emulation] on the Mac! Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com c:/CAPTURE.EXE grind whirrr After much thrashing about, Capture is now running on my Power Macintosh 8100 using SoftWindows 2.0. Quick it's not, but it's sure fun to see! If you try this, be sure to allocate 24 mb to the permanent swap file and add SHARE to the autoexec.bat file, or the puppy won't run. This sounds like the sort of thing that Jerry Pournelle would dream up! Incidentally, using SoftWindows and Acrobat Exchange, you can use plug-ins developed for the PC on a Mac! I've been using Compose from Software Partners and it works just fine. And you can run Movie links in SoftWindows, too.! I even had Mac Exchange AND Windows Exchnage playing the SAME FILE at the same time in two separate windows (no, it don't stay in sync). Gary Cosimini Adobe New York 14-Oct-1995 23:50:24-GMT,1026;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA07102 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:50:22 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13495; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:50:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA13445 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:49:31 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 16:43:42 PDT Message-Id: <9510142343.AA22678@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for October-12-95 [V1 #55] To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199510130450.XAA03943@grandcanyon.binc.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com Don't know of any county's or States using PDF in their filing system, however, the DOD is a big user. 15-Oct-1995 2:59:46-GMT,3570;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA07717 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:59:44 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA14097; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:59:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA14051 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:59:05 -0500 From: bryancw@interserv.com Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 19:53:25 PDT Message-Id: <9510150253.AA26953@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Call For Newsletter Articles To: PDF-L@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryancw@interserv.com To All List Members: Interest for a PDF Acrobat newsletter is running high. I would like to issue a "call for articles". Please submit a one page summary of an article you think other list members would enjoy reading and learning about, featuring something you have accomplished using Acrobat. Submissions can be sent to: bryanw@globaldoc.com. Include something about yourself - your work, etc. Articles most appreciated would be "how-to" in nature, and should be written so that even our begining Acrobat author's understand the thread. Include screen shots of your "process" and whatever tools you used. Include "who" your target audience is, "what" you were attempting to accomplish, and "why" (expected outcome) the PDF project was created. If you need to protect a clients identity, use fictitious names. Those list members out front using new and existing 3rd party stuff are invited to contribute their evaluation of these products. Vendors themselves "should not" contribute such articles....invite a list member to evaluate by sending them an evaluation copy if requested. Jump in there if you already have something you have used and believe you can provide a good assessment. Evaluations should "identify" the product, "what" it's used for, and "how" you applied it in your work using Acrobat. Give honest assessments of how well it interacted with Exchange, Capture or whatever you used in the evaluation process, and whether it accomplished your goal. Please keep in mind our least experienced list members. If you can contribute a marketing or business concept article, please do so. Business list members can only benefit by sharing their idea's in this nascent technology. Consider that the printing and publishing business is the "third largest industry in the world". Consider we have no boundarys in our business. There is a monumental amount of work to be done in electronic publishing. A thousand times the number of our list members doing this work, would still be like a flea on an elephants buttocks. It would hardly know the difference. Speak up...let's share together in the creativity that Adobe has made possible. List Members: Please chime in on articles you would like to see. I have noticed some interest on the lists lately from people struggling to get Acrobat working with beta copies of Netscape. If someone from Adobe or Netscape can contribute an article on this exciting development, please speak up. Finally: My humble little site http://www.globaldoc.com/keyword.html is operational. Please drop by and download yourself a copy of the E-Document News, our PDF newsletter. Bryan Williams New e-mail address is: bryanw@globaldoc.com 15-Oct-1995 16:04:19-GMT,1060;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA10569 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:04:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA16838; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:03:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16736 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:01:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:57:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael J. Callahan" X-Sender: mikec@atl1 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: plug_ins development... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael J. Callahan" Does anyone know of a good book written specifically addressing the development of Acrobat plug_ins??? How about a good book on postscript??? Thanks in advance... ----- mikec@america.net 16-Oct-1995 7:30:55-GMT,1576;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA14519 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:30:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA21129; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:30:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA20959 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:24:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:16:53 -0500 X-Sender: alexfalk@saluki-mail.siu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: alexfalk@siu.edu (Alexander G. Falkenberg) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Toolbook OnLine Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: alexfalk@siu.edu (Alexander G. Falkenberg) We are glad to announce Toolbook OnLine, a new research aimed at the integration of hypermedia Toolbook applications in electronic documents. We invite you to connect to the following URLs and try the new powerful opportunities offered by Toolbook, Adobe Acrobat and the Web. http://www.lib.siu.edu/tbonline/ USA site http://www.ets.bris.ac.uk/tosolini/tbonline/ European mirror We look forward to your feedback. Alex -- Alex Falkenberg Internet & Multimedia Research and Development alexfalk@siu.edu / digital9@lib.siu.edu Instructional Support Services, Morris Library Southern Illinois University at Carbondale USA Tel: Work 618.453.1019 Home 618.529.1549 16-Oct-1995 7:30:55-GMT,1471;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA14518 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:30:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA21126; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:30:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA21017 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:27:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:20:20 -0500 X-Sender: alexfalk@saluki-mail.siu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: alexfalk@siu.edu (Alexander G. Falkenberg) Subject: ANNOUNCE: Toolbook OnLine in the Virtual Plaza Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: alexfalk@siu.edu (Alexander G. Falkenberg) Toolbook OnLine and the technological issues behind this idea will be discussed in the Virtual Plaza Thursday 19 October, h 12:00 noon Central Time US. The Virtual Plaza http://www.lib.siu.edu/tbkwww/plaza.html USA site http://www.ets.bris.ac.uk/tosolini/tbkwww/plaza.html European mirror Alex -- Alex Falkenberg Internet & Multimedia Research and Development alexfalk@siu.edu / digital9@lib.siu.edu Instructional Support Services, Morris Library Southern Illinois University at Carbondale USA Tel: Work 618.453.1019 Home 618.529.1549 16-Oct-1995 8:24:31-GMT,1307;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA14667 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:24:28 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA21599; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 03:24:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA21492 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 03:21:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:04:03 +1000 Message-Id: <199510160804.SAA00342@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Linking to databases Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Does anyone have any experience of linking to databases such as Ingres and Inmagic from Adobe Acrobat? Are there any plug-ins that allow this to happen? Looking forward to hearing from you Best regards Aaron Goldwater qmail@powerup.com.au Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 16-Oct-1995 12:26:47-GMT,2351;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA15341 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 06:26:45 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22419; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:26:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA22352 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:24:01 -0500 From: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) To: PDF-L@emrg.com (PDF-L), qmail@powerup.com.au (Aaron Goldwater) Message-ID: <1995Oct16.072000.1178.80851@msm2.atk.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: Alliant Techsystems, Inc. Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:16:44 -0700 Subject: RE: Linking to databases Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) Aaron, The Alliant InfoLinker plug-in builds external links based on rules defined for a PDF document. These external links can be other PDFs or other programs with optional parameters. The parameters can be based from the text in the PDF source document. For example, a list of part numbers can define links that call a Visual Basic program tied to Access that uses the part number to look-up inventory levels, locations, or cross reference numbers from a database. We've used InfoLinker to build cross references to external PDFs that have changing locations, such as removeable CD volumes, or paths that can change based on the user's configuration. If you can define an external program and a set of parameters than InfoLinker can automate the building of the links. Bob Radtke 813-572-2220 Technology Manager ---------- From: Aaron Goldwater[SMTP:qmail@powerup.com.au] Sent: Monday, October 16, 1995 3:41 AM To: pdf-digest Subject: Linking to databases Does anyone have any experience of linking to databases such as Ingres and Inmagic from Adobe Acrobat? Are there any plug-ins that allow this to happen? Looking forward to hearing from you Best regards Aaron Goldwater qmail@powerup.com.au Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 16-Oct-1995 15:45:54-GMT,1203;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA16665 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:45:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA24009; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:45:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA23952 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:43:39 -0500 From: "Robert Kelly" Message-Id: <9510161136.ZM2175@pckelly_r> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:36:15 -0400 X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Other pdf readers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Robert Kelly" Does any one know of the existance of other applications that will display pdf. For example, som postscript display programs will also display pdf. We are planning on using pdf as a standard in a world wide review process and I am seeking info on applications that will permit the viewing of pdf files on platforms that do not support acrobat. Thanks, Bob Kelly 16-Oct-1995 16:25:34-GMT,1936;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA17103 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:25:30 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24262; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:25:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24220 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:24:27 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9510161136.ZM2175@pckelly_r> References: Conversation <9510161136.ZM2175@pckelly_r> with last message <9510161136.ZM2175@pckelly_r> Priority: Normal To: Robert Kelly Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Leggott Subject: Re: Other pdf readers Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:22:59 -0300 (AST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mark Leggott I believe the latest version of Tailor for NeXT does read and display PDF files (ver 1, not sure about 2+), although it is a bit slow, since it is a native postscript file editor. (Interesting tool for tweaking your PDF files by the way!) Mark Leggott Systems Librarian St. F. X. University mleggott@stfx.ca http://libwww.stfx.ca/mleggott.html ******** Start of Your Message ******** > Does any one know of the existance of other applications that will > display pdf. > For example, som postscript display programs will also display pdf. > > We are planning on using pdf as a standard in a world wide review > process and I am seeking info on applications that will permit the > viewing of pdf files on platforms that do not support acrobat. > > Thanks, > > Bob Kelly > ******** End of Your Message ******** 16-Oct-1995 16:54:14-GMT,1923;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA17467 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:54:11 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24484; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:54:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24439 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:52:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199510161650.RAA08697@infko.uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.0 v123) Content-Type: text/plain From: Detlev Droege Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 17:51:59 +0100 To: "Robert Kelly" Subject: Re: Other pdf readers Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com References: <9510161136.ZM2175@pckelly_r> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Detlev Droege > Does any one know of the existance of other applications that will display pdf. > For example, som postscript display programs will also display pdf. There exist 3 (yes: three) different readers under NEXTSTEP. (Disclaimer: I wrote one of them). I also wrote a Perl script to convert PDF files to PostScript, so if you have a PostScript-Viewer ... Furthermore, GhostScript handles PDF too. You can get the Perl script from ftp://peanuts.leo.org/next/Unix/text/Unix/text/pdf2ps.2.17.s.tar.gz The NEXTSTEP viewers are OmniPDF, PDFView and PDFViewer (last is mine) and can be found in ftp://peanuts.leo.org/next/Unix/text/Text/apps GhostScript is available from the usual GNU sites. See the respective READMEs for more detailed info. Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel:+49 261 9119-421,Fax:-497,NeXT/MIME/Email:droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. --Bertrand Meyer 16-Oct-1995 18:13:56-GMT,1444;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA18363 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:13:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA24718; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:07:22 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24673 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:06:53 -0500 From: "Gilbert, Len" To: PDF Mailing List Subject: Re: Other pdf readers Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:58:00 PDT Message-Id: <308292B4@msgate.integralsys.com> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Length: 598 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Gilbert, Len" >:-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >: >:> Does any one know of the existance of other applications that will display >:pdf. >:> For example, som postscript display programs will also display pdf. >: I understand Adobe Illustrator can open and display pdf files. Adobe has a bunch of different Readers on its Web site--you should see what they have there. http://www.adobe.com/Acrobat/ ______________________________________________ Len Gilbert InPower Publications Dept. 510/946-4981 lgilbert@integralsys.com 16-Oct-1995 18:33:07-GMT,2297;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA18649 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:33:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA25458; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:32:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA25403 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:29:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Kelly To: Mark Leggott Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Other pdf readers In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Kelly Thanks to Mark, Bob, et al. I will be reaching out to the entire , world wide, physics community. They are in most countries and use every known platform. The good news is that most are connected, in one way or the other, to the Internet. The tough part is that I do not have, nor do I want, any control over their platforms. Thus, I am trying to compile a list of all known ways to read or view a pdf. Thanks, Bob On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Mark Leggott wrote: > I believe the latest version of Tailor for NeXT does read and > display PDF files (ver 1, not sure about 2+), although it is a bit > slow, since it is a native postscript file editor. (Interesting tool > for tweaking your PDF files by the way!) > > Mark Leggott > Systems Librarian > St. F. X. University > mleggott@stfx.ca http://libwww.stfx.ca/mleggott.html > > > ******** Start of Your Message ******** > > > Does any one know of the existance of other applications that will > > display pdf. > > For example, som postscript display programs will also display pdf. > > > > We are planning on using pdf as a standard in a world wide review > > process and I am seeking info on applications that will permit the > > viewing of pdf files on platforms that do not support acrobat. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bob Kelly > > > > ******** End of Your Message ******** > > 16-Oct-1995 19:16:38-GMT,2205;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA19136 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:16:33 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25790; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:15:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25750 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:15:30 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:13:15 PST Message-Id: <9509168138.AA813870420@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: "Robert Kelly" Subject: Re: Other pdf readers Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Some non-Adobe Acrobat viewers for non-supported platforms are available from 5-D in England. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ian Kemmish 18 Durham Close, Biggleswade, Beds SG18 8HZ ian@eeyore.dircon.co.uk Tel: +44 767 601 361 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Address Ian Kemish for more information. GhostView, the PostScript browser. supports PDF viewing on other platforms as well. At Seybold SF, a small Taiwanese company, Zeon Corporation, had a viewer as well. Also please note that PDF files can be "opened" for certain types of edits by Adobe Illustrator, Canvas and Freehand 5.0. ALso, a Quark extension devloper showed an Xtension that opened PDF into Xpress for editing. (Datastream Imaging Systems in Lexington, KY.) _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Other pdf readers From: "Robert Kelly" at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/16/95 9:16 AM Does any one know of the existance of other applications that will display pdf. For example, som postscript display programs will also display pdf. We are planning on using pdf as a standard in a world wide review process and I am seeking info on applications that will permit the viewing of pdf files on platforms that do not support acrobat. Thanks, Bob Kelly 16-Oct-1995 21:40:11-GMT,1310;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA20840 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:40:08 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26669; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:39:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26589 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:33:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 16:32:59 -0500 Message-Id: <9510162132.AA04403@sun13.cs.wisc.edu> From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: rakelly@aps.org Cc: PDF-L@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <9510161136.ZM2175@pckelly_r> (rakelly@aps.org) Subject: Re: Other pdf readers Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "L. Peter Deutsch" The latest releases of Aladdin Ghostscript will display PDF files. A third-party front end adds linking capability. Both Aladdin Ghostscript and the front end are free, although they have restrictions on commercial redistribution. E-mail ghost@aladdin.com for details. Aladdin Ghostscript runs on MS Windows (3.1, 95, and NT), Mac (both 68k and PowerMac native), all Unix platforms, VMS, and MS-DOS. The front end currently runs on any platform with X Windows. 16-Oct-1995 21:43:38-GMT,1121;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA20885 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:43:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26832; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:43:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26742 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:41:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 16:40:55 -0500 Message-Id: <9510162140.AA04574@sun13.cs.wisc.edu> From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: droege@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Cc: rakelly@aps.org, PDF-L@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199510161650.RAA08697@infko.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Detlev Droege on Mon, 16 Oct 95 17:51:59 +0100) Subject: Re: Other pdf readers Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "L. Peter Deutsch" > GhostScript is available from the usual GNU sites. The current version of GNU Ghostscript (2.6.2) does not handle PDF. Get Aladdin Ghostscript from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/aladdin. 17-Oct-1995 0:07:51-GMT,1249;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA22580 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:07:47 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27590; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:07:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA27541 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:05:38 -0500 From: csr@drmail.dr.att.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 17:53:30 MDT Message-Id: <9510162353.AA15023@pros13.dr.att.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: How can I make links visible using pdfmark? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: csr@drmail.dr.att.com When I add the following to a Postscript file, it creates links, but they are "invisible" (both literally, and Exchange even calls them invisible.) [/Rect[1332 1945 3298 1846]/Border[ 16 16 1 ] /Color [1 0 0]/Dest/G13.3560/LNK I can make them "visible" one-at-a-time with Exchange, but that would get boring after the first thousand or so. I don't find anything in Tech note #5150 about visible/invisible. How can I do this with pdfmarks into the Distiller? steve roush Bell Labs 303-538-4860 17-Oct-1995 6:15:08-GMT,1384;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA25566 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:15:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA29847; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 01:14:48 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA29762 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 01:11:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199510170611.DAA02658@Fox.NSTN.Ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 03:15:51 +0300 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: sducklow@fox.nstn.ns.ca (stu ducklow) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for October-15-95 [V1 #58] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sducklow@fox.nstn.ns.ca (stu ducklow) Is anyone out there publishing a general interest newspaper or magazine in Acrobat, selling subscriptions and advertising and trying to make money? I work for a small newspaper and we're thinking about trying the idea out. Replies and PDFs from those with experience in this field much appreciated. Would also like to be told of any URLs or newsgroups devoted to on-line newspaper and magazine publishing. Thanks Stu Ducklow Stu Ducklow Words & Pictures Design Group, Halifax, N.S. WWW: http://Fox.NSTN.Ca:80/~sducklow/Index.html 17-Oct-1995 13:33:13-GMT,1033;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA27238 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:33:09 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA31272; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:32:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA31206 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:23:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:14:05 EST From: "Marcia Walker" Encoding: 4 Text Message-Id: <9509178139.AA813946805@smtp.ipcjci.com> To: pdf-L@emrg.com Subject: COLORIZATION OF HYPERLINKS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Marcia Walker" Is there anyway to add color to word/s you are hyperlinking. I know how to create the basic color boxes around the word/s or make them totally invisiable. Is there a way to colorize the whole word/s. Help! 17-Oct-1995 15:32:40-GMT,1194;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA28265 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:32:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA31744; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:32:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA31691 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:26:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199510171526.KAA18540@glacier.binc.net> To: Marcia Walker cc: pdf-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: COLORIZATION OF HYPERLINKS In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:14:05 -0500. <9509178139.AA813946805@smtp.ipcjci.com> X-Phone: (+44) 115 9514230 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 16:25:30 +0100 From: David R Evans Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David R Evans We (at Merlin Open Systems) have developed several plug-ins, and will probably be writing one to colour the text of links in the next couple of months. Regards David Evans Merlin Open Systems http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~dre/merlin/ 17-Oct-1995 16:17:47-GMT,2374;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA28763 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:17:43 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA32122; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:16:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA32065 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:14:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:13:15 -0600 From: ferens@ee.umanitoba.ca (Ken Ferens) Message-Id: <199510171613.KAA21044@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: How can I make links visible using pdfmark? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ferens@ee.umanitoba.ca (Ken Ferens) > From owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Mon Oct 16 18:05 CST 1995 > From: csr@drmail.dr.att.com > To: PDF-L@emrg.com > Subject: How can I make links visible using pdfmark? > Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com > X-Sender: csr@drmail.dr.att.com > > > When I add the following to a Postscript file, it creates links, but > they are "invisible" (both literally, and Exchange even calls them > invisible.) > > [/Rect[1332 1945 3298 1846]/Border[ 16 16 1 ] /Color [1 0 0]/Dest/G13.3560/LNK > > I can make them "visible" one-at-a-time with Exchange, but that would > get boring after the first thousand or so. > > I don't find anything in Tech note #5150 about visible/invisible. How > can I do this with pdfmarks into the Distiller? > > steve roush > Bell Labs > 303-538-4860 > Hi Steve: I was considering this problem a week ago, and one solution I found was to edit the pdf file using a good text editor, or write a simple program. Using a text editor, use find all and replace. For example, find all occurences of: /Type /Annot /Subtype /Link /Rect [ 150 708 291 720 ] /Border [ 'whatever' ] /Dest [ 11 0 R /XYZ null 864 null ] and change them to: /Type /Annot /Subtype /Link /Rect [ 150 708 291 720 ] /Border [ 0 0 1 ] /Dest [ 11 0 R /XYZ null 864 null ] /C [ 0.8649 0.0342 0.0259 ] i.e., add the line /C [ 0.8649 0.0342 0.0259 ] and change the /Border [] line. This changes the invisible link to visible with color red. Upon opening the file, exchange says there are errors in the pdf file, but it fixes them. You can then save. -Ken 17-Oct-1995 16:37:25-GMT,1941;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA29088 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:37:22 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA32312; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:37:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA32262 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:33:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 12:24:36 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Disappearring Links To: pdf-L@emrg.com Message-id: <9509178139.AA813958362@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: pdf-L@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson We began changing our process for a project and ran into the following problem. In our old process, we - created a new PDF file by using the PDF Writer from FrameMaker then we - added links to new file by importing the images from the new PDF file into a PDF template file by using the replace page function. (The template file contains about ten (10) links per page, both internal and external, and from nine (9) to thirty (30) pages.) This worked great in both the Mac and the Windows environments. However, we started to print the FrameMaker files to postscript and then process them with the Windows' version of the Distiller. However, when we now do a replace page command with a PDF file processed by the distiller, all the links on that page disappear. The postscribe version of the PDF file deletes all the links on each replaced page. We do not understand why. Can anyone explain what is happening? Is there a workaround? Software - Acrobat Exchange 2.0 (we do not have 2.1 yet) FrameMaker, both version 4 and 5 Jim watson@battelle.org 18-Oct-1995 4:51:50-GMT,2285;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA06420 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:51:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA02480; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:48:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA02438 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:46:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:46:05 PDT X-Sender: billworld@mail.accessone.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-L@emrg.com From: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Subject: Acrobat FAQ and Tips Page Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Greetings, Given the amount of interest for an Acrobat FAQ in recent list discussions, we thought we'd put our brains together to come up with a site that would allow for group upkeep of individually submitted FAQs and Tips. Thus we created the Interactive Acrobat FAQ and Tips Page. Please check it out at the following URL and contribute your FAQs and Tips. http://www.blueworld.com/acrobat.faq.fcgi While everything's fully functional (including full-text searching!) and fast (thanks to the Frontier scripting language), the full graphic interface is forthcoming (yes, we intend to make it look nice). To cover our development and maintenance costs, we may at sometime elect to seek sponsors for the Acrobat FAQ/Tips page. We cannot offer compensation for those who contribute their FAQ/Tips. We hope the Acrobat experts out there are willing to demonstrate their prowess and help create an environment for the betterment of Acrobat users. Regards, Bill Doerrfeld - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Bill Doerrfeld Blue World Communications bill@blueworld.com Issaquah, WA (yes that's near Seattle) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - "Bringing Business to the Internet" Visit our website creations at http://www.blueworld.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - 18-Oct-1995 21:47:05-GMT,1786;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA15522 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:46:46 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07391; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:46:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07353 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:45:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 07:44:54 +1000 Message-Id: <199510182144.HAA25649@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Just two really simple questions! Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Good morning from Down under, I'll preface these questions with the information that there is nobody developing in Acrobat down here and there is no support in this country for Acrobat. Adobe are a bunch of one armed paper hangers and their distributors are worse. Two questions. 1. Has anyone got experience linking to Ingres databases, and is it and how would one set up search or query facilities through Reader as a front end. Is it possible to set up a call from Ingres to Acrobat or vice versa. 2. Are there any issues relating to using Groupwise with Acrobat? Looking forward to hearing from someone & have a great day if you've got much of it left. Regards Aaron Goldwater qmail@powerup.com.au Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 18-Oct-1995 22:03:58-GMT,1003;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA15719 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:03:55 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07106; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:10:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06932 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:49:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:48:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199510182048.NAA00889@ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Subject: 2.1 Reader on Sun To: PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: acmetrn@ix.netcom.com (Terry Heiney ) Just started a project where the client wants Reader 2.1 capabilities on Sun SPARC. Anyone out there have an idea when it will be out of Beta and into regular release? Terry Heiney Acme Training, Inc. See our URL at http://www.gus.com/acme 19-Oct-1995 8:33:37-GMT,1209;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA20850 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 02:33:35 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA10147; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:33:17 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA10098 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:32:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:31:15 +1000 Message-Id: <199510190831.SAA02203@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Acrobat Courseware Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Does anyone know of any Acrobat Courseware, Adobe in Australia don't seem to know anything about it. Cheers Aaron Goldwater qmail@powerup.com.au Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 19-Oct-1995 14:20:54-GMT,2157;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA22208 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:20:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11340; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:19:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA11256 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:11:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 07:05:52 PDT Message-Id: <9510191405.AA23850@m1.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net Subject: Newsletter To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net I Would like to express my whole-hearted support for the Acrobat Faq area off Bill Doerrfelds site at, http://www.blueworld.com/lists/acrobat/. After visting Bill's site I'm convinced that having a separate newsletter devoted to Acrobat although fun, might be redundant. Hopefully Bill will catalog, by "subject matter", Faq's submitted by list members on topics their interested in, so they can easily be retrieved. Now let's see list members from both PDF Digest and the Acrobat List which Bill moderates (acrobat@blueworld.com), contribute their knowledge base, perhaps in PDF format. I would like to see Bill add a "Top Ten" catagory, featuring most common solutions needed. I think Bill's site is one of the few out there that represent what a web site should be. There's a marked degree of thought behind it. It has content people will want, interesting visual appeal and true interactivity, beyond simple hyperlinks. Way to go Bill. I encourage all those who e-mailed me interesting idea's from my "call for articles" message last week, to write those articles and submit them to the Acrobat Faq page off Bill' site. If you don't belong to his Acrobat List, you should and you can sign up right there. I'm going to work on an article about Acrobat in the marketplace. Bryan Williams 19-Oct-1995 15:28:17-GMT,4126;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA22838 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:28:10 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12602; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:22:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA12556 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:20:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:20:30 PDT X-Sender: billworld@mail.accessone.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net, pdf-l@emrg.com From: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Subject: Re: Newsletter Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) At 7:05 AM 10/19/95, bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net wrote: >I Would like to express my whole-hearted support for the Acrobat Faq area off >Bill Doerrfelds site at, http://www.blueworld.com/lists/acrobat/. After >visting >Bill's site I'm convinced that having a separate newsletter devoted to Acrobat >although fun, might be redundant. Thanks for the kind words. On that note, while we're pledging support, Blue World would like to extend it's full support and recommendation to folks to support and contribute to Emerge's fine Acrobat Plug-Ins page at http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html. If you have a commercial, shareware, or freeware Acobrat plug-in, be sure to list it there! >Hopefully Bill will catalog, by "subject matter", Faq's submitted by list >members on topics their interested in, so they can easily be retrieved. Right now, because the search engine is quite fast, searching by topic seems to be the most flexible way to handle relevant articles. Our approach differs from the standard structured FAQ approach in that it's more of a searchable archive of important and well thought-out messages from a variety of individuals who have the ability to self-maintain their messages. We'll evaluate the efficacy of the structure as it evolves. Now >let's see list members from both PDF Digest and the Acrobat List which Bill >moderates (acrobat@blueworld.com), contribute their knowledge base, perhaps in >PDF format. I would like to see Bill add a "Top Ten" catagory, featuring most >common solutions needed. Regarding the "top ten", highly subjective, but not of improbable importance. Regarding submitting PDFs. We can do that, but they won't be searchable. We would, however, post PDFs to a designated directory at the site with FAQ specific records pointing to PDF possibly for further elaboration and/or example on any topic. I'm currently demonstrating this in a couple of the FAQs I recently submitted. >I think Bill's site is one of the few out there that represent what a web site >should be. There's a marked degree of thought behind it. It has content >people >will want, interesting visual appeal and true interactivity, beyond simple >hyperlinks. Way to go Bill. Thanks. Our all-star Frontier expert programmer Kyle Jessup deserves considerable credit as well. >I encourage all those who e-mailed me interesting idea's from my "call for >articles" message last week, to write those articles and submit them to the >Acrobat Faq page off Bill' site. If you don't belong to his Acrobat List, you >should and you can sign up right there. I'm going to work on an article about >Acrobat in the marketplace. >Bryan Williams Don't forget to submit your Tips as well. That way we cover the Frequently Asked Questions and the never-thought-of-it-before stuff. Cheers to all. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Bill Doerrfeld Blue World Communications bill@blueworld.com Issaquah, WA (yes that's near Seattle) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - "Bringing Business to the Internet" Visit our website creations at http://www.blueworld.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - 19-Oct-1995 16:21:04-GMT,1845;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA23419 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:21:00 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12981; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:20:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA12928 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:19:28 -0500 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:42:12 EST Message-Id: <9509198141.AA814129236@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: csr@drmail.dr.att.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: How can I make links visible using pdfmark? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Steve, The following code works for me. I don't understand your rectangle numbers, they seem to be off the page...but yet you get a link area? I'm using Acrobat Distiller 2.1 with Windows 3.11. Joe %!PS-Adobe-1.0 systemdict /pdfmark known not {userdict /pdfmark systemdict /cleartomark get put} if [/Rect [100 100 200 200] /Page 2 /Border [16 16 1] /Color [1 0 0] /LNK pdfmark showpage 100 100 moveto 200 200 lineto stroke showpage When I add the following to a Postscript file, it creates links, but they are "invisible" (both literally, and Exchange even calls them invisible.) [/Rect[1332 1945 3298 1846]/Border[ 16 16 1 ] /Color [1 0 0]/Dest/G13.3560/LNK I can make them "visible" one-at-a-time with Exchange, but that would get boring after the first thousand or so. I don't find anything in Tech note #5150 about visible/invisible. How can I do this with pdfmarks into the Distiller? steve roush Bell Labs 303-538-4860 19-Oct-1995 21:05:47-GMT,2367;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA26940 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:05:40 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14215; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:03:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14122 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:02:16 -0500 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:14:19 PST Message-Id: <9509198141.AA814136260@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Extracting Text from a PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Recently, there were a few questions about extracting text from PDFs, and I may have given a "misleading" response. Or, as Paul Reiser would say, "this is not the most right I have ever been." Allow me to clarify... The Acrobat SDK (Software Development Kit) contains tools for extracting text from PDFs. This is great if you want to build this functionality into a product you are developing. The SDK also has a lot of other great tools for customizing Acrobat. For more info, contact the Adobe Developer's Association at 415-916-4111 or http://www.adobe.com/Support/ADA.html. HOWEVER, if all you want to do is occasionally pull the text out of a PDF, there's a much easier way to do it. In Acrobat Exchange for Windows -- no, the Reader can't do this -- select "Copy File to Clipboard" from the Edit menu. Then switch to an OLE-capable application and select "Paste Special..." from the Edit menu. You can paste the RTF text, which will retain some basic formatting features. Or, you can paste it as an Acrobat Document, which will put a double-clickable Acrobat icon in your document. Also, you can accomplish the same thing by inserting a PDF as an OLE object. In some applications, such as Lotus Notes, you can select "RTF" as the display format for the object. For more details on any of this, see pages 222-232 and 233-240 in the Acrobat Exchange Help file... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems Incorporated 19-Oct-1995 23:44:39-GMT,5277;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA28552 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:44:33 -0600 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15094; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:44:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA15018 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:43:00 -0500 Date: 19 Oct 95 19:40:29 EDT From: To: , , Subject: Re[2]: Newsletter Message-ID: <951019234028_702420.204300_BHD59-14@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Who can tell me about the planned discontinuation of Exchange LE with Search in 3 weeks? What in the @#$!% is that all about? What will replace it? Why should I not move to Envoy? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Newsletter From: INTERNET:bill@blueworld.com at CSERVE Date: 10/19/95 10:28 AM Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA10454; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:21:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12583; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:21:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA12556 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:20:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:20:30 PDT X-Sender: billworld@mail.accessone.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net, pdf-l@emrg.com From: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Subject: Re: Newsletter Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) At 7:05 AM 10/19/95, bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net wrote: >I Would like to express my whole-hearted support for the Acrobat Faq area off >Bill Doerrfelds site at, http://www.blueworld.com/lists/acrobat/. After >visting >Bill's site I'm convinced that having a separate newsletter devoted to Acrobat >although fun, might be redundant. Thanks for the kind words. On that note, while we're pledging support, Blue World would like to extend it's full support and recommendation to folks to support and contribute to Emerge's fine Acrobat Plug-Ins page at http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html. If you have a commercial, shareware, or freeware Acobrat plug-in, be sure to list it there! >Hopefully Bill will catalog, by "subject matter", Faq's submitted by list >members on topics their interested in, so they can easily be retrieved. Right now, because the search engine is quite fast, searching by topic seems to be the most flexible way to handle relevant articles. Our approach differs from the standard structured FAQ approach in that it's more of a searchable archive of important and well thought-out messages from a variety of individuals who have the ability to self-maintain their messages. We'll evaluate the efficacy of the structure as it evolves. Now >let's see list members from both PDF Digest and the Acrobat List which Bill >moderates (acrobat@blueworld.com), contribute their knowledge base, perhaps in >PDF format. I would like to see Bill add a "Top Ten" catagory, featuring most >common solutions needed. Regarding the "top ten", highly subjective, but not of improbable importance. Regarding submitting PDFs. We can do that, but they won't be searchable. We would, however, post PDFs to a designated directory at the site with FAQ specific records pointing to PDF possibly for further elaboration and/or example on any topic. I'm currently demonstrating this in a couple of the FAQs I recently submitted. >I think Bill's site is one of the few out there that represent what a web site >should be. There's a marked degree of thought behind it. It has content >people >will want, interesting visual appeal and true interactivity, beyond simple >hyperlinks. Way to go Bill. Thanks. Our all-star Frontier expert programmer Kyle Jessup deserves considerable credit as well. >I encourage all those who e-mailed me interesting idea's from my "call for >articles" message last week, to write those articles and submit them to the >Acrobat Faq page off Bill' site. If you don't belong to his Acrobat List, you >should and you can sign up right there. I'm going to work on an article about >Acrobat in the marketplace. >Bryan Williams Don't forget to submit your Tips as well. That way we cover the Frequently Asked Questions and the never-thought-of-it-before stuff. Cheers to all. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Bill Doerrfeld Blue World Communications bill@blueworld.com Issaquah, WA (yes that's near Seattle) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - "Bringing Business to the Internet" Visit our website creations at http://www.blueworld.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - 20-Oct-1995 9:54:29-GMT,3094;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA13443 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 03:54:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA17828; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 04:53:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA17779 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 04:51:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 04:44:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9510200944.AA38228@saluki-mail.fiber2.siu.edu> X-Sender: alexfalk@saluki-mail.siu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: (.dist.aa.tbol) From: Alex Falkenberg Subject: More on hyperfolio project / Call for Toolbook OnLine submissions Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Alex Falkenberg This is a call for participation for everybody interested in including a presentation of their research activity in our Toolbook OnLine project. Up to this point, Toolbook OnLine has been used only as a vehicle for our new hyperfolio research involving Adobe Acrobat and other applications and data types. We would like to extend the Toolbook OnLine idea, and make it a vehicle for presentation of the work of other Toolbook authors and researchers. Toolbook OnLine can be a good place to get work published quickly and more informally than otherwise possible. We would like to invite anyone interested in contributing to this effort to submit a one-page maximum document, in MS Word or MS Publisher format, detailing their project. This description can include graphics or whatever other information you choose. These one-page documents will be converted into Acrobat documents, which means that you can include hyperlinks to other Web sites, Toolbook files, etc., through the Acrobat Weblink plug-in technolology. For those unfamiliar with the hyperfolio concept, we're working to integrate various media together into a kind of living document which not only allows linking of various documents, but also modification and /creation/ of new documents. While the demos so far involve Asymetrix Toolbook, there's no reason the idea cannot be extended to HyperCard, Authorware, Applescript, etc. In fact, it should be extended to include this x-platform usability. One demo currently shows the potential of multimedia authoring via an Acrobat document user interface. The potential is great. For an example Toolbook OnLine submission, or for more general information about my hyperfolio project, point your browser to Toolbook OnLine http://www.lib.siu.edu/tbonline/ USA site http://www.ets.bris.ac.uk/tosolini/tbonline/ European mirror We look forward to your feedback. -Alex -- Alexander G. Falkenberg // alexfalk@siu.edu Internet & Multimedia Developer and Instructional Designer Southern Illinois University at Carbondale Tel: 618.453.1019 Fax: 618.453.3010 http://execpc.com/~sbuttitt/agf/ 20-Oct-1995 15:49:13-GMT,1947;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA15346 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19052; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:48:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA18931 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:41:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199510201540.KAA27284@glacier.binc.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:36:32 BST From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Exchange LE vs. Reader + Search Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford > Who can tell me about the planned discontinuation of Exchange LE with Search in > 3 weeks? What in the @#$!% is that all about? What will replace it? Why should I > not move to Envoy? My understanding is that Adobe is about to come up with a product at the end of this month which is essentially Reader + Search. This will be a better thought out and structured replacement for Exchange LE. . Publishers of all descriptions have been wanting this for quite some time so that it can be bundled in with PDF doct. collections on CD-ROM etc. I also understand that the payment arrangements will be quite simple i.e. a one-off payment in the region of $700 will cover you for an arbitrary number of CDs (i.e. no further royalty payments) but if you later put out another release of the CDs with extra material thereon, then you'll pay another $700. I also hear rumours that there are plans to allow publishers to put their own plug-in configured Readers on aforesaid CD-ROMs for a fistful of dollars extra (where size of "fistful" is yet to be revealed ...) Hope somebody from Adobe will be able to confirm all of this "real soon now". David Brailsford 20-Oct-1995 18:37:03-GMT,2135;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA17223 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19725; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:35:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA19672 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:31:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:29:26 -0700 From: Carl Orthlieb Message-Id: <9510201829.AA00734@orator.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Newsletter Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Carl Orthlieb Rusty, This is actually good news. Acrobat Search is now what is called a privileged plug-in and works with the *free* Acrobat Reader. Acrobat Exchange LE has essentially become Reader. Publishers can make their plug-ins work with the free Reader through a priviligizing process available through Adobe. In addition, we have a new Search for Publisher's CD-ROM kit that includes some extra goodies including plug-ins that automatically close documents (avoiding the 10 doc limit) and automatically mount indexes in your index selection panel. The per unit pricing of Exchange LE is no longer--instead, there is a one time fee of ~$500 per CD-ROM for Search with unlimited distribution. You'll have to talk to Marketing to get the full scoop. Hope this makes your life easier, Carl 8^) Begin forwarded message: Date: 19 Oct 95 19:40:29 EDT From: To: , , Subject: Re[2]: Newsletter Message-ID: <951019234028_702420.204300_BHD59-14@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Who can tell me about the planned discontinuation of Exchange LE with Search in 3 weeks? What in the @#$!% is that all about? What will replace it? Why should I not move to Envoy? 22-Oct-1995 21:56:12-GMT,1435;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01846 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 15:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29358; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:54:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA29297 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:48:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:47:20 +1000 Message-Id: <199510222147.HAA28513@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Acrobat & Netscape 2.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater We understood that Netscape 2.0 would have support for Acrobat & PDF files. There is no mention of it in the information on Netscapes site anymore - or was I dreaming, hanging upside down does this to you sometimes. Does anyone have any info on this? Or is Adobe or someone else developing a plug-in for Netscape 2.0? Thanks Aaron Goldwater qmail@powerup.com.au Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 22-Oct-1995 22:47:05-GMT,2716;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA01994 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29675; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:46:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA29632 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:45:57 -0500 X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 15:48:48 -0800 To: Aaron Goldwater From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Acrobat & Netscape 2.0 Cc: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 1:47 PM 10/22/95, Aaron Goldwater wrote: >We understood that Netscape 2.0 would have support for Acrobat & PDF files. >There is no mention of it in the information on Netscapes site anymore - or >was I dreaming, hanging upside down does this to you sometimes. > >Does anyone have any info on this? > >Or is Adobe or someone else developing a plug-in for Netscape 2.0? If you look at the Netscape site on the page with the description of Netscape 2.0, you'll see a section as follows: Inline Plug-ins - Netscape Navigator 2.0 features quick and easy integration of existing technologies, including Apple QuickTime movies, Adobe Acrobat PDF documents, and Macromedia Director presentations, into the Navigator platform, allowing rich multimedia content to be incorporated into Internet sites. The text also links to the following URL that goes into more detail. http://home.netscape.com/comprod/products/navigator/version_2.0/plugins/inde x.html You'll also want to check out the "Amber" press release form Adobe which describes it's next phase of the Reader implementation as aplug-in for Netscape and any other application that chooses to support it. Adobe expected to have a beta of the Windows plug-in Reader within 30 days of this press release: http://www.adobe.com/PDFs/PR/9509/950926.amber.pdf Hope this helps. Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services Division, University Computing Services at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 23-Oct-1995 14:30:21-GMT,1295;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA05620 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id HAA01039; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:24:55 -0700 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id HAA00727; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:22:26 -0700 Received: from ipss.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id HAA00411; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:18:17 -0700 Received: from ips34.ipsmsd by ipss.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02549; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:19:28 PDT Message-Id: <9510231419.AA02549@ipss.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:19:28 PDT Reply-To: cguest@ipss.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: cguest@ipss.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Chip Guest) To: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Subject: Program/macros for Microsoft Word X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN I have heard that there is/are macros available to use in Microsoft Word that will pass pdf commands and indexing information to Distiller/Exchange that will create automatic links in the pdf file. Does anyone know where this is or who wrote it / sells? it? Chip 23-Oct-1995 18:41:09-GMT,1536;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA10577 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA01615; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:36:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA01562 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:34:20 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RNIS00; Relayed; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:34:30 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RNUC01; Relayed; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:53:52 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: "JEREMY M. TAUBER 201.812.7748" Subject: Lotus SmarText vs. Adobe Acrobat To: pdf-digest Message-Id: <01HWRXH1UAMO90MTXP@mr.nut.roche.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:31:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal X400-Mts-Identifier: [;03437032015991/454204@RNISD0] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "JEREMY M. TAUBER 201.812.7748" We did a comparison of several text viewers including SmarText and Acrobat earlier this year. If you are looking for specific information, you may contact me. Also, we have hands-on experience with both products. 23-Oct-1995 20:29:19-GMT,1672;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA11660 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02082; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:12:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA02026 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:11:28 -0500 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:46:47 PST Message-Id: <9509238144.AA814477948@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Aaron Goldwater , pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: Re: Acrobat & Netscape 2.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Still there, just buried a bit deeper under "Features". Try: http://home.mcom.com/comprod/products/navigator/version_2.0/plugins/index.html Gary Cosimini _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat & Netscape 2.0 From: Aaron Goldwater at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/22/95 3:02 PM We understood that Netscape 2.0 would have support for Acrobat & PDF files. There is no mention of it in the information on Netscapes site anymore - or was I dreaming, hanging upside down does this to you sometimes. Does anyone have any info on this? Or is Adobe or someone else developing a plug-in for Netscape 2.0? Thanks Aaron Goldwater qmail@powerup.com.au Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 24-Oct-1995 15:12:41-GMT,2348;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA18610 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00423; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:15:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00267 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <308D02C7.1CC0@inetnebr.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:14:15 -0700 From: Kent Tegels X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christin@sep.stanford.edu, acrobat@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: URL links and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kent Tegels Christine Ecker wrote in comp.text.pdf: > > Hi to everybody, Good Morning! > I am rather new to the entire PDF business and I am wondering > if somebody could tell me how to get URL-links into my PDF document. Okay. Not to hard. > What we are usually doing is using Latex to make a postscript >file of our documents which we then convert into PDF using the >Acrobat distiller. Okay, so far, so good. > At which point do I have to include the links and how would I >do it? Is there maybe a good reference book out there to look >up such information? Right now, the *easy* is with a product called Exchange. Essentally, one would use exchange's link tool to trap a section of a PDF, and then mark it as link. Once you have it marked, you can then specify what kind of link it is (options like HTML A HREF and A Name are available). I'm sure somebody has a plug in for this, if one can find and afford it. If you are using 2.0 of Acrobat, check Adobe's web site for the WWW plug in. If you are using 2.1 (at least for the PC), it is already "in the box." > Thanks already in advance for any information, My pleasure. I've reposted this to the various PDF and Acrobat mailing lists so we can all have this information. For a group of FAQs on PDF and Acrobat, please visit: http://www.emrg.com -- ~~~~~~~~~~~:>~ Kent 'Snake' Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake 24-Oct-1995 15:26:09-GMT,2506;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (root@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA18685 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00425; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:16:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00268 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:08:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:43:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199510241043.LAA04753@mistral.ius-software.si> X-Sender: sandra@mistral.ius-software.si X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Subject: Questions - bookmarks, thumbnails ... Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) I am new on the Adobe Acrobat mailing list and also a new Acrobat user, therefore I have some questions. If anybody has the same problems and knows the answers, I would appreciate some help: 1. How do I change font for creating bookmarks in Acrobat Exchange? 2. When creating thumbnails in Acrobat Exchange for one PDF file, is it possible to set the first page number to some other number than 1 (I want to have pages numerated for example from 36 to 136 not from 1 to 100)? 3. As I noticed there is no possibility yet to mark text I want to copy to Clipboard in coloumns (let say my PDF file is a newspaper). Am I right? When will this be solved? 4. We want to translate Acrobat Reader to our - SLOVENIAN - language. - May we translate (some or all) menues, messages etc. of Acrobat Reader by ourselves and distribute the translated version along with our PDF data? - May we translate the HELP_R.PDF file or replace it with another one (slightly smaller)? - If it is not allowed to translate Acrobat Reader, how can we obtain the slovenian version? Does Adobe plan to make one? How soon? Can we help? That would be all for the first time. Thanks to everybody who will take his time for answering my questions. Sandra Sustarsic CD-ROM production IUS Software d.o.o. Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce SLOVENIA BBS +386 61 371 178 ZyX tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 e-mail: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si 25-Oct-1995 12:37:44-GMT,933;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA28727 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 06:37:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05334; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 07:34:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA05263 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 07:31:09 -0500 From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Reply-To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Ascii vs. Binary Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:35:14 GMT Message-Id: <1717759998.61880097@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) A quick questions for you guys... What's the difference between printing PDF in ASCII vs. Binary? James 25-Oct-1995 13:14:47-GMT,2615;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA28869 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 07:14:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05607; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:06:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA05556 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:05:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199510251305.IAA25616@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 09:01:25 -0400 From: Peter Crimmin To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Frame to PDF: problem w/ large book Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Peter Crimmin You need to know something about Frammaker 5.0 and Acrobat to help with this problem. I'm moving a 300+ page book from FrameMaker 5.0 to PDF format. Problem: Frame can't write the entire book as a single PS file. Current behavior in Frame: The Frame doc says that if you can't write the file as a single PS file, then write individual files and accept the default filenames. However, it doesn't provide any defaults. Query: When I create individual PS files (1 per each file in book), what PS filenames should I use? should I print the files from my book file or use each file's Print dialog box? Current behavior in Acrobat: After distilling my individual PS files from frame, I concatenate all the resulting PDFs using Edit=>Page=>Insert. This creates the single file I want, but none of the links between the originally separate files work. Example: If the preceding paragraph isn't clear, here is more information. * Imagine 2 concatenated chapters that each have a bunch of cross references (pointers to targets both inside each file and to the other chapter). * In Acrobat, the cross references (links) in chapter 1 work, and the links in chapter 2 work, but none of the links that point from one chapter to the other work. Any ideas for a solution? -- Peter -- *------------------------------------------------------------------* * * * Peter Crimmin | Vicorp Interactive Systems, Inc. * * Tel: (617) 859-1287 | 399 Boylston Street * * Fax: (617) 536-6647 | Boston, MA 02116 USA * * Email: pcrimmin@vis.com | * * | * *------------------------------------------------------------------* 25-Oct-1995 13:25:17-GMT,1291;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA28920 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 07:25:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05729; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:20:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA05683 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:20:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9510251319.AA03610@rpisun1> Subject: Acrobat & Netscape 2.0 From: Ed Draper To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Ed Draper >Does anyone have any info on this? > >Or is Adobe or someone else developing a plug-in for Netscape 2.0? We'd like to know when, and where it will made available. Does anyone know? |E|J- ED DRAPER rEpar|D|<- The Levit Radiologic/Pathologic Institute The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center draper@rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu http://rpisun1.mda.uth.tmc.edu/ http://www.blkbox.com/~draper/ 25-Oct-1995 16:45:06-GMT,1844;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA00718 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA06539; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:32:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA06465 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:24:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 12:25:15 EDT Message-Id: <9510251625.AA22214@esinet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net Subject: Web Link To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199510250450.XAA03402@grandcanyon.binc.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bryanw@esinet1.esinet.net Christine Ecker inquired about URL links within PDF. Currently Web Link, used in Exchange when establishing links, is not a strong feature. This feature is "browser dependent", meaning that with some browsers like Mosiac (Internet-In-A-Box)it will not work because Acrobat does not support it. You will get a message indicating your browser is not supported when attempting a web link from within the PDF, if you have a non-supported browser. Since you cannot control the type of browser that someone will use to view your PDF be caution in using this feature for now until Adobe builds better support. It's a great feature and I hope this happens soon. Netscape browsers seem to handle the call and launch the URL. A really great book titled, "Acrobat 2.1 - Your Personal Consultant" by Roy Christmann published by Ziff Davis, has recently appeared on shelfs. Get a copy, it's worth the $25 if your new to the subject. Bryan Williams 25-Oct-1995 18:16:11-GMT,1510;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA01595 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07870; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:14:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07826 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:13:43 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:22:33 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: Live reports from Imaging Expo '95 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss FYI ... Andrew Young and John Cook of Emerge are attending the large imaging conference in NYC this week. If any list subscribers are also there, stop by the Adobe booth and say hello to AY & JC. For those not in attendance but interested in what's happening there (including yesterday's keynote by Adobe CEO John Warnock), they are posting live reports from the show to our web site (http://www.emrg.com). Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 25-Oct-1995 18:39:41-GMT,2191;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA01829 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08098; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:36:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA08054 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:35:22 -0500 From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:30:29 cst Message-Id: <9509258146.AA814653029@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: files not opening when downloaded from WWW via Kermit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Hi all, I work for a publishing shop that's in the process of putting hundreds of Acrobat files on the Web. A major part of our intended audience will access the Web via LYNX and download the Acrobat files via Kermit. It seems that this process may be damaging the Acrobat file in some way. Although Acrobat files open just fine when I use a Netscape/Reader 2.0.1 combo, when I open LYNX/ Kermit-downloaded files I get the message that the file is damaged but is being repaired; then I'm prompted for a password. The files _are_ protected by a password, but users just viewing the document via Reader shouldn't encounter this message (and don't using Netscape). To add to the weirdness, when I responded to the prompt and typed in the password used in creating the document, I got a message saying that it was incorrect. One more detail: the size of the Kermit-downloaded file was a bit larger than the size of the original file. My working theory is that Kermit adds some characters during the download that confuse the Reader. Does anyone have another idea? Does anyone know how I might solve the problem, short of telling our audience to use something other than Kermit? Terri Stone ........................................................ Information Services College of Agricultural, Consumer and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois ta-stone@uiuc.edu (217)244-2829 25-Oct-1995 18:52:41-GMT,3927;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA01948 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08307; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:44:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA08253 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:43:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:42:25 -0700 From: harvey@octel.com (Patrick Harvey) Message-Id: <199510251842.LAA16833@shogun.eng.octel.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, peter@vis.com Subject: Re: Frame to PDF: problem w/ large book Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: harvey@octel.com (Patrick Harvey) I just converted a 659-page book from FrameMaker to Acrobat so I have a few comments. Besides being large, the book is complex with tons of tables and graphics. I did the conversion on both a Sparcstation 5 and a 486 PC successfully. I also tried it as a single file and multiple. > > > You need to know something about Frammaker 5.0 and Acrobat to help > with this problem. > > > I'm moving a 300+ page book from FrameMaker 5.0 to PDF format. > > Problem: > Frame can't write the entire book as a single PS file. Why not? I had no problems with either machine. Use the print command from the book file of course, specify the Acrobat setup and print to file. So much material takes a while of course. > > Current behavior in Frame: > > The Frame doc says that if you can't write the file as a > single PS file, then write individual files and accept the > default filenames. However, it doesn't provide any defaults. > > Query: > When I create individual PS files (1 per each file in book), > what PS filenames should I use? should I print the files > from my book file or use each file's Print dialog box? To print the book to a collection of Postscript files, still print from the book file. Specify the Postscript file name with an asterisk: /x/y/*. FrameMaker will produce a set of files with .ps extensions. On the PC, FrameMaker also distored many of the file names. This may have been because the files were not originally named according to strict Windows rules. However, the distorting was done consistently, so all the links worked. The directory listing just looked funny. > > Current behavior in Acrobat: > > After distilling my individual PS files from frame, I concatenate all > the resulting PDFs using Edit=>Page=>Insert. This creates > the single file I want, but none of the links between the > originally separate files work. The concatenation may be the problem. If you printed the files individually, the links to other files include the other files' names. But after concatenation these other files do not exist. > > Example: If the preceding paragraph isn't clear, here is > more information. > > * Imagine 2 concatenated chapters that each have a bunch of cross > references (pointers to targets both inside each file and to > the other chapter). > > * In Acrobat, the cross references (links) in chapter 1 work, > and the links in chapter 2 work, but none of the links that > point from one chapter to the other work. > > Any ideas for a solution? > > -- > Peter > -- > > *------------------------------------------------------------------* > * * > * Peter Crimmin | Vicorp Interactive Systems, Inc. * > * Tel: (617) 859-1287 | 399 Boylston Street * > * Fax: (617) 536-6647 | Boston, MA 02116 USA * > * Email: pcrimmin@vis.com | * > * | * > *------------------------------------------------------------------* > > 25-Oct-1995 19:07:26-GMT,6229;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA02165 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA08546; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:02:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08501 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:02:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199510251900.OAA23236@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:56:26 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: James_Chung@baynetworks.com cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Ascii vs. Binary Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford > A quick questions for you guys... > What's the difference between printing PDF in ASCII vs. Binary? Short answer ============ Well -- there will usually be a difference in file sizes i.e. the ASCII version will generally be bigger and so the default settings of version 2 distiller now result in a binary file being produced. As the name implies the binary file passes on image information for grey-scale or colour images (say) as 8-bit binary values and presumes that these will cause no problems. The "ASCII" option on the other hand knows that there *can* be problems with 8-bit binary and so it maps binary image data to *pairs* of ASCII characters -- hence the bigger size. So that's the brief answer. But if you want to know "what are the `problems'" and "why do we need this 2-bytes-for-one mapping read on ... Much longer answer ================== The real ASCII vs. binary choice comes down to robustness of being able to transmit PDFs over the network via file transfer protocols, WWW, e-mail etc. Of course, if you have imaged material in your PDF file this is binary by its very nature. That is to say -- it will generally require that all 8 bits of any 8-bit byte are preserved and transmitted across a network correctly. For this reason FTP has a "binary" mode and if you retrieve a PDF from a remote site via FTP then by setting binary mode before starting the transmission all should be well. Setting binary mode effectively says to the FTP software "transmit the data `as is' -- don't mess with it in any way". The problems arise with some existing e-mail packages (rather than FTP) and/or ancient communications hardware. Sending PDFs via e-mail is still a hit and miss affair, precisely because many e-mail packages do not have a genuine "binary" capability. This capability *is* clearly specified in the MIME proposals but we have to wait (and hope) for all e-mail software, network routers etc. to become MIME compliant -- thereby enabling e-mail messages to have attachments that might be images video clips, sound bites etc. Once again this `binary' capability just says "pass on this stuff `as is' -- don't mess with it". This begs the question of why your e-mail system would *want* to mess around with your information anyway. Sadly there are all sorts of horrifying possibilities: (1) Your "helpful" e-mail package might decide that e-mail is only for text messages between humans. Thus any material not containing a CR or LF every 64 characters or so might get its lines truncated. Or if there are deemed to be too many lines in this "mail message between 2 humans" then the whole message may get truncated. (2) Your helpful e-mail package on UNIX (say) when receiving e-mail from a PC with CR and LF at the end of a line might decide that since UNIX only needs LF then the CRs can be thrown away with impunity. This is OK when you, the human, are reading the message but it's a serious problem for PDF where byte offsets are all important (though the Acrobat viewers are pretty good at fixing damage of this sort so long as it's not too extensive). (3) Your ancient communications hardware is set up on the presumption that only the 128 (7-bit) ASCII characters ever need to be transmitted. The 8th bit is either stripped off or might is presumed to be a parity check bit for error detection (much used in the days of noisy comms. lines). (4) your e-mail just happens to travel through the dreaded BITNET -- with all those wonderful IBM mainframes thereon. Your material goes through ASCII-EBCDIC-ASCII character code conversions with horrifying effects. The "safe subset" between ASCII and EBCDIC is limited to just 64 characters in common. The upshot of (4) is that if you want your 8-bit binary data to be *absolutely* safe then it has to be encoded as pairs of ASCII-64 characters. One of the MIME encoding possibilities does exactly this. The problem in its bare essentials is the e-mail software tends to presume that messages will be read by humans -- with enough intelligence to mentally correct any characters that get garbled en route by code conversion problems etc. So where does this leave us on the PDF front? The problem here is that the PDF needs to go through an Acrobat viewer to be interpreted. This can repair damaged files but only if the damage is not too extensive. Your binary PDF will be OK provided all routers etc. are 8-bit clean and that e-mail software at both ends is MIME compliant. Presumably the thinking behind the Distiller default is that binary gives smaller file sizes and MIME compliant mailers are becoming more common (or maybe you never intend to e-mail the PDF anyway and so let's go for the smallest file size). If you go for the ASCII option then, since the earliest days of PDF, it has had support for encoding binary in a pair of ASCII-85 characters (i.e. an 85 character subset of ASCII) Unfortunately this subset isn't quite safe enough to survive worst case transmission scenarios -- it really needs to be ASCII64. The above represents my own understanding of the situation after an extensive e-mail correspondence on this topic (in early 1994) between me, several Internet e-mail experts and quite a few Acrobat experts at Mountain View. I hope I've got everything more or less correct -- I'm cheerfully open to correction if not. David Brailsford 25-Oct-1995 19:12:02-GMT,2258;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA02226 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA08755; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:10:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08715 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:10:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:10:28 -0800 (PST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU From: gennari@slac.stanford.edu (l trindle gennari) Subject: LaTeX to PDF X-Sender: gennari@popserv.slac.stanford.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gennari@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (l trindle gennari) My copy of the original message has escaped, but to the person who was making LaTeX in to PDF, check out HyperTeX (http://xxx.lanl.gov/hypertex/). It uses the TeX markup to automatically generate some of the usual links one would want in a document (refs, etc.). I also, for anyone else, err, blessed :-> with dealing with TeX source destined for PDF have a couple of saved posts from comp.lang.postscript that discuss TeX fonts and PDF. Those are available from my web page describing my experiences (ongoing) with making a PDF CD-ROM from 1300 physics papers (from all kinds of platforms and software sources). The page is http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~gennari/PACrat.html By the way, if anyone has solved the many documents but with consecutive page numbering (embedded in the PDF page), PLEASE holler. At this point I think I'm going to take them all back to PostScript, run a script to add page numbers to the PS, and distill back to PDF. Ugh. ltg ***************************************************************** Technical Publications Department http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/techpubs/home.html Information Technology Analyst gennari@slac.stanford.edu ***************************************************************** 25-Oct-1995 20:16:46-GMT,2790;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA02889 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09258; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:13:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA09211 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:12:33 -0500 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199510252012.QAA04359@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: files not opening when downloaded from WWW via Kermit To: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <9509258146.AA814653029@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu> from "stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu" at Oct 25, 95 01:30:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I work for a publishing shop that's in the process of putting hundreds of > Acrobat files on the Web. A major part of our intended audience will access the > Web via LYNX and download the Acrobat files via Kermit. It seems that this > process may be damaging the Acrobat file in some way. Although Acrobat files > open just fine when I use a Netscape/Reader 2.0.1 combo, when I open LYNX/ > Kermit-downloaded files I get the message that the file is damaged but is being > repaired; then I'm prompted for a password. > > The files _are_ protected by a password, but users just viewing the document via > Reader shouldn't encounter this message (and don't using Netscape). To add to > the weirdness, when I responded to the prompt and typed in the password used in > creating the document, I got a message saying that it was incorrect. One more > detail: the size of the Kermit-downloaded file was a bit larger than the size of > the original file. > > My working theory is that Kermit adds some characters during the download that > confuse the Reader. Does anyone have another idea? Does anyone know how I might > solve the problem, short of telling our audience to use something other than > Kermit? > > Terri Stone You *are* using binary mode to transfer the file in Kermit, right? :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26-Oct-1995 13:09:00-GMT,2473;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA09715 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA12682; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:07:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA12624 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:04:46 -0500 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:11:02 EST Subject: Re: Acrobat & Netscape 2.0 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <4AEA4CD3732@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:18:56 -0500 > Subject: Acrobat & Netscape 2.0 > From: Ed Draper > To: > > >Does anyone have any info on this? > > > >Or is Adobe or someone else developing a plug-in for Netscape 2.0? > > We'd like to know when, and where it will made available. Does anyone know? > Sometime in November - it's not quite there yet. I saw a demo at an Adobe Acrobat Users Group in Washington, DC. Some people at Adobe are even saying that it could be December before the plug-in is ready. Some other breaking news: Adobe Acrobat Reader w/ Search which will list for $695, will include 2 plug-ins. One of the plug-ins will allow you to attach an index to a particular pdf file -ie. table of contents, so the user will no longer have to go in and manually select the index files. The index will be selected only when the file is opened. When the file is closed, the index will be removed from the shelf. The other plug-in will automatically close the earliest document, after the user has opened 10 documents (which, in the past would produce an error). I always would have liked to see Adobe develop a special link that would close the file that you were linking from - then you wouldn't be leaving so many files open in the first place. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 26-Oct-1995 14:13:14-GMT,4325;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA10051 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13049; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:12:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA13002 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:11:01 -0500 From: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:07:02 CDT Message-Id: <9509268147.AA814723803@odp.tamu.edu> To: PDF-L@emrg.com, peter@vis.com Subject: FrameMaker and Acrobat Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Regarding the use of FrameMaker and Acrobat... We've created three and a half Acrobat CDs from FrameMaker, the first from Frame 4 and the rest from Frame 5. All of the books are over 400 pages, and done on a combination of Pentiums and Macs. We have completed some books from the Frame book file (the entire book as built in Frame into a book file) and some chapter by chapter. The bigger, more complex files seem to be too much for the software to handle, so the chapter by chapter works. Occasionally we have been required to go into pieces as small as page by page for very complex color images or for pages with equations or complex tables. (We're doing science publishing, so equations and complex tables are our genre of choice.) We wanted the page numbers in the Frame documents to match those Acrobat page numbers, so we didn't really want the whole book (the preliminary pages which are Roman numerals would have thrown the Arabic numerals of the text pages off). [IS THIS A FIX FOR THIS? I'D LIKE TO KNOW.] The intro material sits in its own file which is linked to the main file. Building the book chapter by chapter turned out to be the most generally useful for us. In Frame 5 under PRINT use the Acrobat setup to choose bookmarks from appropriate tags and generate Acrobat Data (which triggers the PRINT TO FILE line where you can specify your file name). To keep file names simple, use the original file name with the .PS extension. Then use the Distiller for the PS files, and open one in Acrobat. Use Edit/pages/insert (insert a whole file at a time) to add the files to the first file. You won't need links from file to file because they all become one file. Use the bookmarks to get around. We started with simplistic bookmarks (Chapter 1, Chapter 2) and now have a set that appear to be more useful (Chapter, Author, Order 1 heads, Figure captions, and Table captions). The reader uses the bookmarks to bounce from spot to spot within the file. Under DOCUMENT/INFO/OPEN you can specify that the Acrobat file always open with bookmarks viewable. Our readers find the bookmarks far more useful than the thumbnails. In a big document they are more of a navigation tool than the thumbnails. One cautionary note to anyone working cross-platform between Macs and PCs. We use a Novell network on a Pentium which cleverly translates Mac naming conventions so files are visible to PC users. While our files were on the network all links appeared to work. When we wrote the CD, the links between PC files and Mac files (which were named in upper/lowercase--I think this is a Mac Acrobat standard--the author must specifically type uppercase letters) disappeared. ISO 9660, a dictatorial and regimented standard that allows for no expression of individuality, doesn't "see" the difference in lowercase names and makes them all uppercase. Acrobat continues to look for the lowercase links (which have vanished). And how did we figure this out? Painfully. For your own long-term happiness, when working in cross-platform situations, use ISO 9660 standards for file names from creation forward. Jennifer Pattison Hall Chief Production Editor Ocean Drilling Program Jennifer_Hall@ODP.TAMU.EDU 27-Oct-1995 0:29:15-GMT,2096;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA16883 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA16190; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:28:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA16095 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:21:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9510270027.AA10751@mvdns1.mv-oc.unisys.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 17:20:35 -0700 From: Mary McMclure Organization: UNISYS CORP. X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Using PDFMARK Commands for Cross-Document Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mary McMclure I'm trying to use PDFMARK to create a hyperlink from one document to another. In my destination document, I add: [/Dest (i) /Page 9 /View [/Fit] /DEST pdfmark and Distiller is quite happy, creating a file named 2938.PDF In the document containing the cross-document link I put: [/Action /GoToR /DOSFile (2938.pdf) /Dest (i) /Rect [159 361 183 373] /Border [ 1 1 1 ] /SrcPg 2 /LNK pdfmark which I believe will give me a link from Page 2 of this document to Page 9 of 2938.PDF. But when I try to distill the above, Distiller complains: %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: Dest i ]%% Stack: /LNK 2 /SrcPg [-null- -null- -null-] /Border [159 361 183 373] /Rect (i) /Dest (2938.pdf) /DOSFile /GoToR /Action -dict- What's wrong with my syntax? I've spent all day trying to make heads or tails of the pdfmark Reference Manual (Technical Note #5150) and I've gotten sooooooooo close that I am now throughly frustrated! Much thanks for any help! Mary McClure CD-ROM Technology Unisys Corporation Mission Viejo, CA 27-Oct-1995 3:27:17-GMT,2250;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA17916 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id UAA19184; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:23:00 -0700 Received: from smokies.binc.net by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id UAA18588; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:18:42 -0700 Received: from msn_3_6.binc.net (msn_3_6.binc.net [205.173.176.106]) by smokies.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA21218 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:23:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199510270323.WAA21218@smokies.binc.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:23:02 -0500 Reply-To: ggernert@emrg.com Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) To: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Program/macros for Microsoft Word Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN >I have heard that there is/are macros available to use in Microsoft Word that >will pass pdf commands and indexing information to Distiller/Exchange that >will create automatic links in the pdf file. Does anyone know where this >is or who wrote it / sells? it? > >Chip See the last entry on this web page for information on where this macro can be obtained http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 27-Oct-1995 3:29:40-GMT,2690;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA17933 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:29:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id UAA18960; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:21:31 -0700 Received: from smokies.binc.net by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id UAA18584; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:18:40 -0700 Received: from msn_3_6.binc.net (msn_3_6.binc.net [205.173.176.106]) by smokies.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA21216 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:23:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199510270323.WAA21216@smokies.binc.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:23:00 -0500 Reply-To: ggernert@emrg.com Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) To: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN For those who have not visited our web site recently you might want to take another look at http://www.emrg.com Of special note is the growing "Downloadable Software" section........ >With permission of several third-party companies, we are offering limited-term, >demonstration versions of several plug-ins and other utilities designed to increase the >functionality of Acrobat. In addition, we also will provide information about other >Acrobat add-ons that provide enhanced features. We'll continually expand this area of >our web site, and encourage other plug-in companies to contact us with information >about their products -- and likewise encourage users to share suggestions on other >potentially useful plug-in products." Also take a look at the new "PDF ZONE" section...... >Your complete resource for information on Acrobat and the Portable Document Format Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 27-Oct-1995 3:38:08-GMT,2349;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA17966 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16920; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:36:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA16872 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:35:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:39:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199510270339.WAA21295@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Acrobat Web Resources Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) For anyone who has not recently visited our web site....there are a couple new and noteworthy additions worth looking at. #1. Check out the new and growing "DOWNLOADABLE SOFTWARE" section. Limited-term, demonstration versions of several plug-ins and other utilities designed to increase the functionality of Acrobat are available here. #2. Check out the new "PDF ZONE" section. PDF ZONE is a complete resource for information on Acrobat and the Portable Document Format. Looking for Acrobat-ic informaition? If it's on the web...chances are you can find a link to it from this page. The Emerge web site can be found at: http://www.emrg.com Rgds Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 27-Oct-1995 4:08:47-GMT,3014;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA18136 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA17189; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:08:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA17144 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:07:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:11:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199510270411.XAA21592@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: PDF-L List Update Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) PDF-L list members: PDF-L has run so exceptionally smooth the last couple months that there has been little need for me to intervene. 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Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 27-Oct-1995 7:52:14-GMT,1336;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA19995 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 01:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA18620; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:51:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA18563 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:49:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:49:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199510270749.RAA18467@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Profile searching Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Can anyone tell me whether Catalog does profile searching, or whether there is another product that in fact does profile searching across PDF files. We are having difficulty getting Catalog here (out of stock) and also getting any real info on the product. Thanks Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 27-Oct-1995 12:24:43-GMT,2587;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA20944 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA19760; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:23:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA19645 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:16:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199510271214.HAA15946@glacier.binc.net> To: Mary McMclure cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Using PDFMARK Commands for Cross-Document Links In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 26 Oct 95 17:20:35 -0700. <9510270027.AA10751@mvdns1.mv-oc.unisys.com> X-Organisation: Electronic Publishing Research Group, Dept of Computer Science, X-Organisation: University of Nottingham, England X-Phone: (+44) 115 9514230 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:12:26 +0100 From: David R Evans Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David R Evans In your message of Thu, 26 Oct 95 17:20:35 -0700 you said: > I'm trying to use PDFMARK to create a hyperlink from one document to > another. In my destination document, I add: > [/Dest (i) /Page 9 /View [/Fit] /DEST pdfmark > and Distiller is quite happy, creating a file named 2938.PDF > In the document containing the cross-document link I put: > [/Action /GoToR /DOSFile (2938.pdf) /Dest (i) > /Rect [159 361 183 373] /Border [ 1 1 1 ] /SrcPg 2 /LNK pdfmark > which I believe will give me a link from Page 2 of this document to Page > 9 of 2938.PDF. But when I try to distill the above, Distiller complains: > %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: Dest i ]%% The above error indicates that you have given the wrong type of parameter to the /Dest key. The pdfmark Manual specifies that these should be *names* not *strings*. So, you should have: In 2938.pdf: [/Dest /i /Page 9 /View [/Fit] /DEST pdfmark In document containing the cross-document link: [/Action /GoToR /File (2938.pdf) /Dest /i /Rect [159 361 183 373] /Border [ 1 1 1 ] /SrcPg 2 /LNK pdfmark Regards David Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9860048 Merlin Open Systems (+44) 115 9514230 (direct) P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@cs.nott.ac.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~dre/merlin/ NG2 1LJ, UK Specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software 27-Oct-1995 13:48:38-GMT,4369;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA21343 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA20201; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:47:21 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA20152 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:46:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:45:31 -0500 From: marwml@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Michael Robertson) Subject: Re: files not opening when downloaded from WWW via Kermit X-Sender: marwml@vmspop.rit.edu (Unverified) To: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: marwml@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Michael Robertson) > I work for a publishing shop that's in the process of putting hundreds of > Acrobat files on the Web. A major part of our intended audience will >access the > Web via LYNX and download the Acrobat files via Kermit. It seems that this > process may be damaging the Acrobat file in some way. Although Acrobat files > open just fine when I use a Netscape/Reader 2.0.1 combo, when I open LYNX/ > Kermit-downloaded files I get the message that the file is damaged but is >being > repaired; then I'm prompted for a password. > > The files _are_ protected by a password, but users just viewing the >document via > Reader shouldn't encounter this message (and don't using Netscape). To add to > the weirdness, when I responded to the prompt and typed in the password >used in > creating the document, I got a message saying that it was incorrect. One more > detail: the size of the Kermit-downloaded file was a bit larger than the >size of > the original file. > > My working theory is that Kermit adds some characters during the download >that > confuse the Reader. Does anyone have another idea? Does anyone know how I >might > solve the problem, short of telling our audience to use something other than > Kermit? > > Terri Stone You *are* using binary mode to transfer the file in Kermit, right? :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I'd like to add to Kendall Whitehouse's caution about using binary protocol when using Kermit. I've had the same results as you when downloading any kind of non-ASCII/text file (i.e. binary) and failed to tell either the host computer (e.g. the one running the lynx software) and/or my microcomputer telecommunications or FTP software that I'm downloading a binary file. For example, say I've saved a PDF file to my host computer using the Lynx software. Now I want to download the PDF file (which is a "binary" file type, not "ASCII" even if the PDF file contains text) from the host computer to my microcomputer using my microcomputer's telecommunication software. I want to use the Kermit protocol to download (or transfer if you like) the PDF file from the host computer to my microcomputer. I have to tell both the host computer and the microcomputer I'm using the Kermit protocol, AND I have to issue a command on BOTH computers to tell them I'm transferring a "binary" file type using the Kermit protocol. For example, if I'm using MS-Kermit software on my microcomputer, I have to tell it not only is the transfer protocol "kermit" but I have to issue a "Set filetype=binary" command. On the host computer from within its Kermit software, I have to tell it the same thing! If you miss setting the filetype as binary within Kermit on either computer, your PDF file (or any binary file whether its graphics, software or any non-ASCII file) will be corrupted. The default filetype by the way is always ASCII (text) unless you specify otherwise. Please, anyone out there correct me if I'm offbase a little or have missed a step. Michael Robertson, Wallace Library, Rochester Institute of Technology marwml@rit.edu 27-Oct-1995 14:48:52-GMT,3024;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA21833 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20575; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:47:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA20526 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:46:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199510271446.JAA36716@glacier.binc.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 14:43:19 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Kermit and binary (again) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford > > My working theory is that Kermit adds some characters during the download >that > confuse the Reader. Does anyone have another idea? Does anyone know how I >might > solve the problem, short of telling our audience to use something other than > Kermit? > > Terri Stone > You *are* using binary mode to transfer the file in Kermit, right? > :Kendall This effect is just another illustration of the need to set binary mode as discussed in my recent "ASCII vs. binary" mode reply to James Chung. As Kendall Whitehouse and Michael Robertson have effectively pointed out there is at least the *possibility* of a binary mode in things like Kermit and FTP. Moreover this mode *must* be set at both ends of the transmission. Binary mode for e-mail is specified in the MIME proposals but e-mail software is by no means universally compliant as yet. Given that the Distiller default is now to make binary PDFs then binary mode must be used to transmit them . If you are absolutely insistent on using ASCII then you must be very careful to reset the Distiller default as ASCII and/or save them in ASCII form from Exchange etc. Trouble is that the files are then bigger and will take longer to transmit. Also you'd have to disable any "features" in Kermit or FTP which messs around with the various CR/LF line endings in the ASCII PDF file. PDF is carefully designed so that it allows *either* CR or LF or CR/LF as end of line -- but what it doesn't like is "helpful" software messing around with these during transmission thereby invalidating the byte offsets in the cross-reference table at the end of the PDF file. This can be the cause of those "Trying to repair file" messages . Sometimes the viewers succeed in this but if the damage is bad they won't. So: * Use binary mode at both ends when transferring PDFs via FTP, Kermit etc. * Ask your local system maintainers/suppliers whether your e-mail software is MIME compliant. Make their lives hell until it becomes so, because sending PDFs via non-MIME compliant e-mailers is just a lottery. You may get lucky but equally you may find your PDF gets damaged beyond repair David Brailsford 27-Oct-1995 15:03:01-GMT,1717;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA21916 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id HAA26395; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:56:54 -0700 Received: from usr.com by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id HAA26187; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:55:49 -0700 Received: from robogate.usr.com ([149.112.2.203]) by usr.com (4.1/3.1.090690-US Robotics ) id AA22527; Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:54:21 CDT Received: from cc:Mail by robogate.usr.com id AA814813161; Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:54:09 CST Message-Id: <9509278148.AA814813161@robogate.usr.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:54:09 CST Reply-To: mlonsway@usr.com Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: "Mark Lonsway" To: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Subject: Printing from Acrobat. X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN I must admit, I was quite excited about installing Acrobat in order to store Access reports as PDFs and then distribute them to our outside sales reps. Perfect solution I thought, and then I tried to print. My Acrobat print experience is that it is painfully slow and error-prone when printing on our HP 4Si. When it does print and doesn't GPF, every 4th page or so is ends up printing only half a page. It's very klugey and happens on all of our machines. Most machines our 486/66s with 8 meg ram and I'm pretty sure I've got the latest HP printer drivers. Has anyone run across anything similar and dare I ask found a solution? Thanks Mark Lonsway Sales/IT USRobotics. 27-Oct-1995 15:13:11-GMT,1408;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA21981 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20799; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:11:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA20757 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:11:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:52:33 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 15 Text Message-Id: <9509278148.AA814817217@relay1.proteon.com> To: HFS-L@LISTSERV.VT.EDU, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Page Size Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" We are about to convert from 7 x 9 Interleaf to Frame 5 and use Acrobat for online viewing. We want to offer the documentation on CD-ROM with the option of selling hard copy to users. Because we are at the junction of converting anyway, we can change the template to 8 1/2 x 11 or whatever is the most appropriate. There is also the consideration of A4 paper that people will be using outside the U.S. I would like to know what is being done out in the market. I am new to the use of CD-ROM. Please advise. 27-Oct-1995 15:39:52-GMT,2008;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA22267 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21147; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:35:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21105 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:35:12 -0500 MR-Received: by mta MAI01.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:57 +0000 MR-Received: by mta MAI01B; Relayed; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:57 +0000 MR-Received: by mta MCDEV1; Relayed; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:58 +0000 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:57 +0000 (GMT) From: TURNER GRETCHEN A Subject: Re: Page Size In-reply-to: <9509278148.AA814817217@relay1.proteon.com> To: "owner-pdf-l@emrg.com" , "HFS-L@LISTSERV.VT.EDU" , "PDF-L@emrg.com" Message-id: <1157331027101995/A98068/MAI01B/119ADAA13800*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: low Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 119ADAA13800 X400-MTS-identifier: [;1157331027101995/A98068/MAI01B] Hop-count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: TURNER GRETCHEN A > Because we are at the junction of converting anyway, we can > change the template to 8 1/2 x 11 or whatever is the most > appropriate. There is also the consideration of A4 paper > that people will be using outside the U.S. Maybe it is cheating and a waste of paper, but we have set our margins on 8 1/2 x 11 paper so that contents will also fit on A4 paper. We can then print the same rendition of the document on either size paper. Gretchen turner@lilly.com 27-Oct-1995 16:08:13-GMT,2294;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA22520 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:08:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21419; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:06:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21366 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:04:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199510271604.LAA36760@glacier.binc.net> To: David F Brailsford cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Kermit and binary (again) In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 27 Oct 95 14:43:19 +0000. <199510271446.JAA36716@glacier.binc.net> X-Organisation: Electronic Publishing Research Group, Dept of Computer Science, X-Organisation: University of Nottingham, England X-Phone: (+44) 115 9514230 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 17:03:57 +0100 From: David R Evans Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David R Evans There seems to be some confusion over exactly what is sent in a MIME message. The MIME standard has various pre-defined MIME types to encode what type of data is to be included in the message body (this can even point to external body parts such as ftp sites), e.g. application/pdf, text/plain etc. The actual data passed in the body is passed through a filter by a mail program *before* it is sent so that the data is sent in an ASCII format such as base64, not binary, and lines are generally kept to less than 80 characters. This means that messages get through most gateways unscathed and, as long as both the sender and receiver have MIME-compliant mail systems, they will be able to read the messages too:-) I hope that makes things a bit clearer. I have sent and received many PDF files and binary software via MIME mail and had no problems with it ... yet. David Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9860048 Merlin Open Systems (+44) 115 9514230 (direct) P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@cs.nott.ac.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~dre/merlin/ NG2 1LJ, UK Specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software 27-Oct-1995 16:41:17-GMT,4329;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA22809 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id JAA24886; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:34:26 -0700 Received: from smokies.binc.net by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id JAA23818; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:31:01 -0700 Received: from msn_3_3.binc.net (msn_3_3.binc.net [205.173.176.103]) by smokies.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25829; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:35:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199510271635.LAA25829@smokies.binc.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:35:34 -0500 Reply-To: ggernert@emrg.com Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) To: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Cc: mlonsway@usr.com Subject: Re: Printing from Acrobat. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN > > I must admit, I was quite excited about installing Acrobat in order to > store Access reports as PDFs and then distribute them to our outside > sales reps. Perfect solution I thought, and then I tried to print. > > My Acrobat print experience is that it is painfully slow and > error-prone when printing on our HP 4Si. When it does print and > doesn't GPF, every 4th page or so is ends up printing only half a > page. It's very klugey and happens on all of our machines. Most > machines our 486/66s with 8 meg ram and I'm pretty sure I've got the > latest HP printer drivers. > > Has anyone run across anything similar and dare I ask found a > solution? There are problems with printing to some LaserJet 4 model printers...though some of these problems appear to be non-Acrobat specific. Below is info from the Acro Exchange Read_Me.pdf file which may help resolve some of the issues. And....I believe there are some newer print drivers available that may solve some of these issues. ------------------------- If you experience problems printing to HP LaserJet printers in the 600-dpi mode (the newer LaserJet 4 family of printers have this capability) try switching back to 300-dpi mode or if it is equipped with a PostScript option, use the PostScript mode for 600-dpi printing. This 600-dpi PCL5 printing problem does not seem specific to Acrobat. If outline-style text is printing incorrectly to a PCL printer (outlines printing on top of black characters) make the following change in the ATM Conrol Panel: check the option to "Print ATM Fonts as Graphics." To properly print certain special text effects (such as shadow, zoomed text, or outlined text) to non-PostScript printers it may be required to select the Print ATM Fonts as Graphics option in the ATM Control Panel. Certain printer drivers including the LaserJet PCL4 (Series II and higher), PCL5 (LaserJet III and LaserJet 4 families) and the Lexmark PPDS (4029 & 4029) always print black soft fonts on top of images and non-black text strings. Documents with various graphic images may not print correctly to the LaserJet 4 in PCL mode at 600 dpi unless the Graphics option in the Windows printer driver setup is set to Raster mode. To increase printer performance of documents formatted entirely in landscape orientation to non- PostScript printers the printer driver must be set in landscape orientation in the Windows printer setup. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 27-Oct-1995 21:34:32-GMT,1914;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA25991 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23351; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:32:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23102 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:25:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199510272131.GAA21377@gol1.gol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 06:17:50 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-List) Subject: Advice on multi-language document preparation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) A client has reacted very positively to our presentation of the possibilities of the PDF document format for distributing their publicity and other materials to subsidiaries in different parts of the world. The compact size of the documents is an attraction, as is the ability to read and print them using the computer platform and printer that happen to be available. My first question is whether printers are likely to be able to produce plates from PDF files as easily, and with the same final quality, as they could from our PageMaker document or *.ps files? Some of the subsidiaries need to produce other-language versions of the documents. If they purchase the necessary software, will it be reasonably easy for them to replace the English of our text with their own translated text in the same format, leaving the graphics, photos, etc., unchanged? I'd particularly appreciate hints on pitfalls to be avoided... Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 27-Oct-1995 21:34:48-GMT,2405;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA26005 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23348; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:32:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23103 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:25:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199510272131.GAA21370@gol1.gol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 06:17:44 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-List) Subject: Problem with distillation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) I'd appreciate some hints on what might be going wrong with PDF files for a simple two-page PR sheet. I produced the mast-head logotype in PageMaker 5.0 after using CorelDraw's envelope-changing function to modify the title lettering and then exported/placed it as a WMF file. The title was in black lettering on a transparent background. Inside PageMaker I played around with the limited range of rectangle and circle tools to recreate the designer's concept--a single-colour background with a grey "shadow" along upper and RH edges. The first time I distilled this it came out reasonably well. The EPS colour of the background shifted considerably, but I can live with that. The PROBLEM is that in the second and subsequent editions part of the originally WMF title just doesn't reproduce. The title is GLOBAL NEWS, and part of the word "NEWS" is completely blanked out. Would I be better to recreate the entire masthead in CorelDraw? Or is it that Distiller has problems with WMF? (If so, why did it work the first time?) The main difference in the way I produced the masthead for the first and subsequent editions is that I copied the orginal masthead to a template and used that after the first edition. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I'll report back to the list if any suggestion I receive works... Roger PS: If it would help, I can post a URL to the *successful* PDF file. The unsuccessful ones aren't up yet... Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 27-Oct-1995 21:34:53-GMT,2056;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA26016 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23346; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:32:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA23101 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:25:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199510272131.GAA21380@gol1.gol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 06:17:54 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-List) Subject: Problems with distilling AmiPro documents Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) We are producing an illustrated 40-page document for a client and have chosen AmiPro, rather than PageMaker, for its ease of creating simple graphics. Many of the illustrations are *.BMP files created from a video on the same subject. The document will eventually be distributed as a PDF file, and we have been disturbed to see that some of the bitmapped images do not survive the distillation process properly. Of three illustrations on the first page, one comes through fine while the other two come through in monochrome and with a severe case of the jaggies. The latter two had very little colour but we do need what there was! I also note that the truetype font we are using has a mild case of the jaggies, unlike PostScript fonts. (If this is a characteristic problem of truetype fonts when distilled it's easily solved. We have plenty of PS fonts!) We are only three or four pages into the work, and urgently need to know whether the AmiPro/*.BMP/Distiller route has known problems we must solve to avoid the unacceptable result described above, and if so how. Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 27-Oct-1995 23:12:29-GMT,3319;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA26790 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24048; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:11:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA24002 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:11:02 -0500 Date: 27 Oct 95 19:09:25 EDT From: To: , Subject: Re: Acrobat Web Resources Message-ID: <951027230924_702420.204300_BHD35-30@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: How will these new plug-ins work with the new Acrobat Reader (if you are not a "preferred plug-in provider")? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat Web Resources From: INTERNET:ggernert@emrg.com at CSERVE Date: 10/26/95 10:53 PM Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id XAA05102; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:36:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16899; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:36:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA16872 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:35:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:39:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199510270339.WAA21295@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: Acrobat Web Resources Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) For anyone who has not recently visited our web site....there are a couple new and noteworthy additions worth looking at. #1. Check out the new and growing "DOWNLOADABLE SOFTWARE" section. Limited-term, demonstration versions of several plug-ins and other utilities designed to increase the functionality of Acrobat are available here. #2. Check out the new "PDF ZONE" section. PDF ZONE is a complete resource for information on Acrobat and the Portable Document Format. Looking for Acrobat-ic informaition? If it's on the web...chances are you can find a link to it from this page. The Emerge web site can be found at: http://www.emrg.com Rgds Glenn +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 27-Oct-1995 23:54:49-GMT,3166;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA27088 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24294; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:54:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA24247 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:53:36 -0500 Date: 27 Oct 95 19:49:44 EDT From: To: , , , Subject: Re[2]: Page Size Message-ID: <951027234943_702420.204300_BHD35-7@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: And remember, PDF conversion is going to look just like a printed page, so whatever it looks like printed is what it looks like PDF'd (is that a word?). _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Page Size From: INTERNET:TURNER_GRETCHEN_A@Lilly.com at CSERVE Date: 10/27/95 10:40 AM Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA09241; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21131; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:35:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA21105 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:35:12 -0500 MR-Received: by mta MAI01.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:57 +0000 MR-Received: by mta MAI01B; Relayed; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:57 +0000 MR-Received: by mta MCDEV1; Relayed; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:58 +0000 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:57 +0000 (GMT) From: TURNER GRETCHEN A Subject: Re: Page Size In-reply-to: <9509278148.AA814817217@relay1.proteon.com> To: "owner-pdf-l@emrg.com" , "HFS-L@LISTSERV.VT.EDU" , "PDF-L@emrg.com" Message-id: <1157331027101995/A98068/MAI01B/119ADAA13800*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: low Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 119ADAA13800 X400-MTS-identifier: [;1157331027101995/A98068/MAI01B] Hop-count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: TURNER GRETCHEN A > Because we are at the junction of converting anyway, we can > change the template to 8 1/2 x 11 or whatever is the most > appropriate. There is also the consideration of A4 paper > that people will be using outside the U.S. Maybe it is cheating and a waste of paper, but we have set our margins on 8 1/2 x 11 paper so that contents will also fit on A4 paper. We can then print the same rendition of the document on either size paper. Gretchen turner@lilly.com 27-Oct-1995 23:59:15-GMT,2570;000000000001 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (root@franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA27120 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id QAA21637; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:54:27 -0700 Received: from ccnet3.ccnet.com by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id QAA21532; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:53:53 -0700 Received: (kclarke@localhost) by ccnet3.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07089; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:51:49 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: kclarke@ccnet.com Sender: owner-ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu From: kclarke To: Mark Lonsway Cc: ucd-adobe@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Printing from Acrobat. In-Reply-To: <9509278148.AA814813161@robogate.usr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: kclarke@ccnet3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark Lonsway wrote: > My Acrobat print experience is that it is painfully slow and > error-prone when printing on our HP 4Si. When it does print and > doesn't GPF, every 4th page or so is ends up printing only half a > page. It's very klugey and happens on all of our machines. Most > machines our 486/66s with 8 meg ram and I'm pretty sure I've got the > latest HP printer drivers. I was troubleshooting printing from Acrobat to our HP4SI/MX printers today. The postscript driver (Adobe 3.0.1) works really well. The PCL driver (v50) works OK, but needed some tuning... HP tech support helped me. Are you getting Print Overflow (21) error on the printer control panel on the pages where you only get 1/2 page? Tech support had me go into the print driver set up, and turn PAGE PROTECTION from OFF to LETTER. They also had me set the memory setting (MB) to reflect the 10 meg RAM the printer we have has (it was set to 2). This ENDED the problem of graphics killing each page. If possible, the Adobe postscript driver (3.0.1) is, from my impressions this week, faster and trouble-free; the PCL driver is slower, but worked OK once I changed those settings. > Has anyone run across anything similar and dare I ask found a > solution? \|//////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|/ - ====== kclarke@ccnet.com ===== http://www.ccnet.com/~kclarke/ - /|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////////////////////|\ 30-Oct-1995 19:00:55-GMT,4012;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA13603 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06965; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:57:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA06880 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:49:10 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:34:18 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815078500@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: gennari@slac.stanford.edu (l trindle gennari) Subject: Re: LaTeX to PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Two companies I know of have renumbering plug-ins for PDF files: Software Partners, and the Plug-In Shop. Take a look at http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html for more info. Software Partners: "A problem often arises when compiling composite documents. Each individual document has its own page numbering which usually starts at page one. Some of these individual documents will have sequential page numbers such as 1, 2, 3, etc. Other documents may have chapter-based page numbers such as 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, etc. The final aggregate document will then have page numbers that will be incorrect for the document as a whole. The Document Composer corrects this pagination problem by electronically "whiting out" the page numbers from the original documents and overwriting new page headings and footings with text and page numbers of your choosing. Any text can be placed in the replacement page footing area including document name, page number, date and time, etc. - just like the customizable page headers and footers in popular word processors." Plug-In Shop: "Volume Builder is a software tool which allows you compile many discrete documents into a single volume. The volume's contents may be comprised of any document, single or multi-page, which is available electronically whether as a WP file, Spreadsheet file, image or report. In fact, any document that can be 'printed' from the DOS, Windows, UNIX or MAC environments - or be imported into these environments as a Postscript File may be used in the Volume creation. Custom headers & footers, which can include images, logos, etc, may be applied to each volume. There are facilities to generate automatically a Table of Contents and to apply sequential page numbering to the entire volume." _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: LaTeX to PDF From: gennari@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (l trindle gennari) at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/25/95 12:38 PM My copy of the original message has escaped, but to the person who was making LaTeX in to PDF, check out HyperTeX (http://xxx.lanl.gov/hypertex/). It uses the TeX markup to automatically generate some of the usual links one would want in a document (refs, etc.). I also, for anyone else, err, blessed :-> with dealing with TeX source destined for PDF have a couple of saved posts from comp.lang.postscript that discuss TeX fonts and PDF. Those are available from my web page describing my experiences (ongoing) with making a PDF CD-ROM from 1300 physics papers (from all kinds of platforms and software sources). The page is http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~gennari/PACrat.html By the way, if anyone has solved the many documents but with consecutive page numbering (embedded in the PDF page), PLEASE holler. At this point I think I'm going to take them all back to PostScript, run a script to add page numbers to the PS, and distill back to PDF. Ugh. ltg ***************************************************************** Technical Publications Department http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/techpubs/home.html Information Technology Analyst gennari@slac.stanford.edu ***************************************************************** 30-Oct-1995 19:03:20-GMT,2239;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA13654 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:03:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07051; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:01:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07009 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:01:19 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:43:58 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815079196@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: , ggernert@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Acrobat Web Resources Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Most of the plug-ins mentioned on the Emerge web site actually _alter_ PDF files to add features like annotations and page renumbering. Acrobat Reader cannot make changes to PDF files, so, privileged or not, these tools would not work with Reader. Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Acrobat Web Resources From: at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 7:09 PM How will these new plug-ins work with the new Acrobat Reader (if you are not a "preferred plug-in provider")? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat Web Resources From: INTERNET:ggernert@emrg.com at CSERVE Date: 10/26/95 10:53 PM For anyone who has not recently visited our web site....there are a couple new and noteworthy additions worth looking at. #1. Check out the new and growing "DOWNLOADABLE SOFTWARE" section. Limited-term, demonstration versions of several plug-ins and other utilities designed to increase the functionality of Acrobat are available here. #2. Check out the new "PDF ZONE" section. PDF ZONE is a complete resource for information on Acrobat and the Portable Document Format. Looking for Acrobat-ic informaition? If it's on the web...chances are you can find a link to it from this page. The Emerge web site can be found at: http://www.emrg.com 30-Oct-1995 21:24:03-GMT,1649;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA15089 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA07960; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:22:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA07914 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:20:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199510302120.PAA18944@glacier.binc.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:16:27 -0500 From: Peter Crimmin To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: First page of distilled file shifted right Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Peter Crimmin Whenever I... Take a FrameMaker document Print to PS Distill to PDF Display with Exchange The first page of the doc is shifted right (big left margin, truncated text at right side of page). There is no problem when printing PS files to the printer. Background: FM5 for Windows PC 2.1 of Adobe stuff -- Peter -- *------------------------------------------------------------------* * * * Peter Crimmin | Vicorp Interactive Systems, Inc. * * Tel: (617) 859-1287 | 399 Boylston Street * * Fax: (617) 536-6647 | Boston, MA 02116 USA * * Email: pcrimmin@vis.com | * * | * *------------------------------------------------------------------* 31-Oct-1995 0:50:12-GMT,3388;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA16878 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:50:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA08842; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:49:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA08797 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:48:29 -0600 Date: 30 Oct 95 19:45:38 EST From: To: , Cc: Subject: Re[3]: Acrobat Web Resources Message-ID: <951031004538_702420.204300_BHD58-42@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: My main question is...now that Exchange is dead, what do we use to develop PDF products suitable for CD-ROM and professional use, and what plug-ins (like those developed by Software Partners, et al) will be supported for said development efforts? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: Acrobat Web Resources From: INTERNET:gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com at CSERVE Date: 10/30/95 2:13 PM Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Received: from mail-relay-1 by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA21186; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:02:14 -0500 From: Received: by mail-relay-1; id KAA00439; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:59:47 -0800 Received: by qmgw.mv.us.adobe.com; id KAA14185; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:59:45 -0800 Received: from ccMail by fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.04r) id AA815079196; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:43:58 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:43:58 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815079196@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: , ggernert@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Acrobat Web Resources Most of the plug-ins mentioned on the Emerge web site actually _alter_ PDF files to add features like annotations and page renumbering. Acrobat Reader cannot make changes to PDF files, so, privileged or not, these tools would not work with Reader. Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Acrobat Web Resources From: at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 7:09 PM How will these new plug-ins work with the new Acrobat Reader (if you are not a "preferred plug-in provider")? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat Web Resources From: INTERNET:ggernert@emrg.com at CSERVE Date: 10/26/95 10:53 PM For anyone who has not recently visited our web site....there are a couple new and noteworthy additions worth looking at. #1. Check out the new and growing "DOWNLOADABLE SOFTWARE" section. Limited-term, demonstration versions of several plug-ins and other utilities designed to increase the functionality of Acrobat are available here. #2. Check out the new "PDF ZONE" section. PDF ZONE is a complete resource for information on Acrobat and the Portable Document Format. Looking for Acrobat-ic informaition? If it's on the web...chances are you can find a link to it from this page. The Emerge web site can be found at: http://www.emrg.com 31-Oct-1995 4:05:31-GMT,1502;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA17652 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:05:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA09676; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:05:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA09625 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:03:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199510310403.WAA20820@falcon.inetnebr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:03:05 +0008 Subject: Links, URLs and PDFs Reply-to: snake@inetnebr.com CC: byrancw@interserv.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" Hello fellow PDFers and Acrobatists, A while back, some folks were asking for a document that would demonstrate how to create links (intra-document, inter-document and internet). One is now available at: http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake It is one of the first five items, so you can't miss it. I'd appreicate any feedback. Bryan, if you would like to use this for your PDF 'zine, please feel free. ==============:>~ Kent 'Snake' Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake 31-Oct-1995 11:36:36-GMT,1322;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA20014 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 04:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA12108; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 05:35:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA12051 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 05:34:17 -0600 Message-Id: <309633D2.182D@dgs.dgsys.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:33:54 -0800 From: Arnold Shore X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: PDF Applications and CD-ROM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Arnold Shore Hello, folks. I'm interested in hearing from anyone with experience and/or ideas on the subject combination, particularly on performance aspects. If there's a bottleneck, where? CD-ROM to disc, cpu, etc.? If performance is OK, what speed components ar you using? Experiences or projections will be appreciated. Any comparisons with RTC (Rich-text Compressed, by Imagen) still further welcome. Thanks, Arnold Shore STG, Inc. 31-Oct-1995 12:17:29-GMT,2099;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA20140 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 05:17:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12404; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:16:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA12364 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:16:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199510311416.AA04321@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: sarunas@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:15:04 +0200 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: sarunas@julius.ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas Burdulis) Subject: Re: PDF Applications and CD-ROM X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sarunas@julius.ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas Burdulis) >Hello, folks. I'm interested in hearing from anyone with experience >and/or ideas on the subject combination, particularly on >performance aspects. > >If there's a bottleneck, where? CD-ROM to disc, cpu, etc.? If >performance is OK, what speed components ar you using? > >Experiences or projections will be appreciated. > >Any comparisons with RTC (Rich-text Compressed, by Imagen) still >further welcome. > >Thanks, >Arnold Shore >STG, Inc. > We have just published an archive of a scientific journal (>180 papers) in PDF on CD-ROM. Papers contain a lot of symbols, equations, line drawings and grayscale photos. The papers are accessed via interface, which is done in PDF too -- general contents, keyw. and author indices. We tested it on Pentium90/32MB/PCI IDE x4 CD -- the performance was good, i.e. the response was practically immediate. On 486DX2-66/16MB/ISA x2 CD there was an occasional delay while reading from CD. This was probably due to the x2 speed operation and the proprietory ISA interface of the CD reader. We also used the Catalog-generated full-text index. The search results were usually returned in a second or a few. Regards, Sarunas VTEX Ltd. 31-Oct-1995 13:48:57-GMT,1901;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA20405 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:48:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA12953; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:47:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA12908 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:47:05 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:46:48 EST Subject: Re: Re[3]: Acrobat Web Resources Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <5276016658E@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" As I understand it, Adobe Acrobat Reader with Search will support all Plug-Ins. Plug-Ins must be approved by Adobe, and Plug-In Developers are charged $5,000 per year. This $5,000 may be carried down to you (by the devloper), if you desire certain Plug-Ins to be developed. > Date: 30 Oct 95 19:45:38 EST > From: > To: , > Cc: > Subject: Re[3]: Acrobat Web Resources > My main question is...now that Exchange is dead, what do we use to develop PDF > products suitable for CD-ROM and professional use, and what plug-ins (like those > developed by Software Partners, et al) will be supported for said development > efforts? ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 31-Oct-1995 14:57:38-GMT,933;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA20771 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13299; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:56:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA13241 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:53:48 -0600 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:42:18 EST Message-Id: <9509318151.AA815162127@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: palincsars.oimc@viper.gao.gov Subject: PDF to PostScript Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov All, Does anyone out there have a utility to convert PDF to PostScript or do you have to use Acrobat? Thanks in advance. Joe 31-Oct-1995 15:49:43-GMT,1582;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA21292 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13651; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:46:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA13610 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:46:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199510311710.MAA02650@micropat.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:10:07 -0500 X-Sender: fred@ns.micropat.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: fred@micropat.com (Fred J. Leskowitz) Subject: .pdf to .pcx Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fred@micropat.com (Fred J. Leskowitz) Hello, .pdf experts, gurus, and others - Does anyone know of a utility or application which will enable the conversion of .pdf documents into .pcx (or .tiff or similar) graphics file format, preferably in a batch mode? It may seem redundant, but the .pdf file cleans up our input documents nicely, but then we need to manipulate them in a graphics program. Any hints, tips, or leads to this end would be appreciated. - Fred -- Fred J. Leskowitz Voice: +1.203.466.5055 Asst. VP Operations Fax: +1.203.466.5054 MicroPatent, 250 Dodge Ave., East Haven, CT 06512-3358 On The World Wide Web Our URL = http://www.micropat.com 31-Oct-1995 16:41:32-GMT,1637;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA21652 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:39:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14454; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:35:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14410 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:34:29 -0600 From: Wayne.G.Marsh@cdev.com X-Sender: wgm08454@aurora.cdev.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:34:10 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: .pdf to .pcx Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Wayne.G.Marsh@cdev.com >Does anyone know of a utility or application which will enable the >conversion of .pdf documents into .pcx (or .tiff or similar) graphics file >format, preferably in a batch mode? > >It may seem redundant, but the .pdf file cleans up our input documents >nicely, but then we need to manipulate them in a graphics program. Macromedia FreeHand 5.5 can open pdf files, and can convert them to PICT files. There are utilities to convert PICT to what-have-you. You could probably automate the whole process with AppleScript. Wayne G. Marsh Computing Devices International 8800 Queen Ave. So. - BLCN1L Bloomington, MN 55431-1996 612-921-6917 Voice/voice mail 612-921-6869 Fax wayne.g.marsh@cdev.com 31-Oct-1995 16:48:05-GMT,5316;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA21701 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:46:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14538; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:37:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14497 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:36:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:51:10 From: "kschmidtmann" Message-Id: <9509318151.AA815158270@buckaroo.buckaroo.com> To: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, CC: GGERNERT@emrg.com Subject: Re[4]: Acrobat Web Resources Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "kschmidtmann" Rusty: Adobe is certainly still supporting Exchange, which can be used to modify PDF documents. These modifications include navigational aides such as bookmarks, links and the like. These are all added to the documents in the authoring environment, and become part of the PDF file. Once the document has been enhanced with the links, bookmarks and the like, it can be placed on the CD, where users with the Reader will be able to view the links and use them to navigate through the documents on the CD. Think of Exchange for the authoring, Reader for mass distribution. Good luck, I think that you are still in good shape with your projects. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[3]: Acrobat Web Resources Author: at Internet Date: 10/30/95 7:45 PM Received: by ccmail Received: from netcomsv by buckaroo.com (UUPC/extended 1.11) with UUCP; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:09:50 PST Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by netcomsv.netcom.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/SMI -4.1) id QAA18238; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:49:17 -0800 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6 .9) with SMTP id SAA08827; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:49:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA 08797 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:48:29 -0600 Date: 30 Oct 95 19:45:38 EST From: X-ccAdmin: postmaster@netcomsv To: , Cc: Subject: Re[3]: Acrobat Web Resources Message-ID: <951031004538_702420.204300_BHD58-42@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: My main question is...now that Exchange is dead, what do we use to develop PDF products suitable for CD-ROM and professional use, and what plug-ins (like those developed by Software Partners, et al) will be supported for said development efforts? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: Acrobat Web Resources From: INTERNET:gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com at CSERVE Date: 10/30/95 2:13 PM Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Received: from mail-relay-1 by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA21186; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:02:14 -0500 From: Received: by mail-relay-1; id KAA00439; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:59:47 -0800 Received: by qmgw.mv.us.adobe.com; id KAA14185; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:59:45 -0800 Received: from ccMail by fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.04r) id AA815079196; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:43:58 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:43:58 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815079196@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: , ggernert@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Acrobat Web Resources Most of the plug-ins mentioned on the Emerge web site actually _alter_ PDF files to add features like annotations and page renumbering. Acrobat Reader cannot make changes to PDF files, so, privileged or not, these tools would not work with Reader. Gary _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Acrobat Web Resources From: at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 7:09 PM How will these new plug-ins work with the new Acrobat Reader (if you are not a "preferred plug-in provider")? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat Web Resources From: INTERNET:ggernert@emrg.com at CSERVE Date: 10/26/95 10:53 PM For anyone who has not recently visited our web site....there are a couple new and noteworthy additions worth looking at. #1. Check out the new and growing "DOWNLOADABLE SOFTWARE" section. Limited-term, demonstration versions of several plug-ins and other utilities designed to increase the functionality of Acrobat are available here. #2. Check out the new "PDF ZONE" section. PDF ZONE is a complete resource for information on Acrobat and the Portable Document Format. Looking for Acrobat-ic informaition? If it's on the web...chances are you can find a link to it from this page. The Emerge web site can be found at: http://www.emrg.com 31-Oct-1995 17:26:32-GMT,2469;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA22080 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:26:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15095; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:24:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14983 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:13 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:21:19 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815078081@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: "itr" Subject: Re: Page Size Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com You could reformat your pages to screen-like proportions or simply leave them in print orientation; Acrobat has plenty of zoom and scroll tools to let the user get at the information regardless of whether it's designed for screen or not. >From the business side, you can use Acrobat's built-in Security features to turn off printing from your CD-ROM files, so the user has to call in for the print version. Or you could provide a second version of your documents on the CD, protected so the user has has to call in for a password to Open the document, but can then print it. There is also a plug-in available from a third party that lets you sell a document to a user where the password is hidden, but associated with that user's hard disk. Take a look at the Acrobat CD Sampler for examples of formatting for screen versus formatting for print. Gary Cosimini Adobe New York _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Page Size From: "itr" at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 9:52 AM We are about to convert from 7 x 9 Interleaf to Frame 5 and use Acrobat for online viewing. We want to offer the documentation on CD-ROM with the option of selling hard copy to users. Because we are at the junction of converting anyway, we can change the template to 8 1/2 x 11 or whatever is the most appropriate. There is also the consideration of A4 paper that people will be using outside the U.S. I would like to know what is being done out in the market. I am new to the use of CD-ROM. Please advise. 31-Oct-1995 17:26:38-GMT,3530;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA22084 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15093; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:24:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA15020 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:34 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:36:32 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815078085@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) Subject: Re: Problem with distillation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com In general, for optimum fidelity I would recommend you save Corel Draw logos in Encapsulated PostScript format before placing them in Pagemaker. This way, Pagemaker does not have to convert from one format (WMF) to another (GDI), and then to convert that to PostScript: 3 interpretations, 23 opportunities for error. Numerous non-symetrical transformations would have to take place in that scenario, making predictablity a bit uncertain. Also, you can Distill the Corel EPS file all by itself beforehand to to test it. Pagemaker simply passes EPS files through to Distiller--no transformations (other than size or orientation) or interpretations will occur. For logos that use fonts, I'd also recommend you convert the type used in your logo to outlines in Corel, if it allows this, before saving as EPS. You may end up with a more compact representation in PDF. Gary Cosimini Adobe New York _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Problem with distillation From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 3:10 PM I'd appreciate some hints on what might be going wrong with PDF files for a simple two-page PR sheet. I produced the mast-head logotype in PageMaker 5.0 after using CorelDraw's envelope-changing function to modify the title lettering and then exported/placed it as a WMF file. The title was in black lettering on a transparent background. Inside PageMaker I played around with the limited range of rectangle and circle tools to recreate the designer's concept--a single-colour background with a grey "shadow" along upper and RH edges. The first time I distilled this it came out reasonably well. The EPS colour of the background shifted considerably, but I can live with that. The PROBLEM is that in the second and subsequent editions part of the originally WMF title just doesn't reproduce. The title is GLOBAL NEWS, and part of the word "NEWS" is completely blanked out. Would I be better to recreate the entire masthead in CorelDraw? Or is it that Distiller has problems with WMF? (If so, why did it work the first time?) The main difference in the way I produced the masthead for the first and subsequent editions is that I copied the orginal masthead to a template and used that after the first edition. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I'll report back to the list if any suggestion I receive works... Roger PS: If it would help, I can post a URL to the *successful* PDF file. The unsuccessful ones aren't up yet... Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 31-Oct-1995 17:55:12-GMT,1482;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA22420 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:55:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15363; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:53:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA15312 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:52:10 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:46:10 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815079217@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Aaron Goldwater , pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: Re: Profile searching Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Aaron: What exactly do you man by "profile searching"? Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Profile searching From: Aaron Goldwater at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 5:51 AM Can anyone tell me whether Catalog does profile searching, or whether there is another product that in fact does profile searching across PDF files. We are having difficulty getting Catalog here (out of stock) and also getting any real info on the product. Thanks Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 31-Oct-1995 17:59:26-GMT,4546;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA22484 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15486; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:58:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA15438 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:33 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:00:00 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815078162@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) Subject: Re: Problems with distilling AmiPro documents Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Roger: I'm not too familiar with Ami Pro, but there are some general suggestions I could offer which may halp: Fonts: if you have a choice, use Type 1 fonts rather than TrueType fonts when creating PDF files. Be sure you are using the latest version of Distiller (2.1 is the current shipping version whenever possible. If you are using 1.0, there are going to be more problems than with versions 2.0 and later). The follwing important note is from Distiller's Help file: "WINDOWS 3.1 AND TRUETYPE FONTS D When you use TrueType fonts in Windows 3.1, the Microsoft Windows 3.1 PostScript printer driver by default converts them to PostScript Type 1 fonts when it creates a PostScript file for PostScript printing. In this PostScript file, special Type 1 font subsets are used and the names of these fonts may not be unique; this caused a problem for Acrobat Distiller 1.0 but has been fixed in Acrobat Distiller 2.0. So, for Acrobat Distiller 2.0, it is recommended that you set up your PostScript printer driver to send TrueType fonts as PostScript Type 1 fonts. You can do this as follows: 1/From the Control Panel program group, open the Printers control panel. 2/ Select your PostScript printer driver you have set up to save PostScript files to disk. 3/Choose Setup. 4/Choose Options. 5/Choose Advanced. In the TrueType Fonts section, from the Send to Printer as: pop-up menu choose "Adobe Type 1"." There are also more tips in the Distiller Help file; use Exchange's Search tool and look for references to TrueType. As far as BMP images are comcerned, maybe someone else with more Ami Pro experience can suggest whether there are known problems with this format. Color can be tricky with any bitmapped image that has to be translated to PostScript by a word processor (word processors are not necessarily great at handling color!). One good way to resolve most of these problems is to use Adobe Photoshop to open and save BMP files as EPS before placemant in your final document (see previous message re logos). This pre-filtration will provide more consistent results because the EPS will be passed throgh, rather than translated as the BMP would be, by the host application. Gary Cosimini Adobe New York _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Problems with distilling AmiPro documents From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 3:11 PM We are producing an illustrated 40-page document for a client and have chosen AmiPro, rather than PageMaker, for its ease of creating simple graphics. Many of the illustrations are *.BMP files created from a video on the same subject. The document will eventually be distributed as a PDF file, and we have been disturbed to see that some of the bitmapped images do not survive the distillation process properly. Of three illustrations on the first page, one comes through fine while the other two come through in monochrome and with a severe case of the jaggies. The latter two had very little colour but we do need what there was! I also note that the truetype font we are using has a mild case of the jaggies, unlike PostScript fonts. (If this is a characteristic problem of truetype fonts when distilled it's easily solved. We have plenty of PS fonts!) We are only three or four pages into the work, and urgently need to know whether the AmiPro/*.BMP/Distiller route has known problems we must solve to avoid the unacceptable result described above, and if so how. Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 31-Oct-1995 18:52:37-GMT,1144;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23121 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:52:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA15931; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:51:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15889 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:50:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:49:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9510311849.AA02805@sun31.cs.wisc.edu> From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, palincsars.oimc@viper.gao.gov In-Reply-To: <9509318151.AA815162127@mailgateway.gao.gov> (carmelj.atc@gao.gov) Subject: Re: PDF to PostScript Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "L. Peter Deutsch" There are many PDF-to-PS packages available. The latest Aladdin Ghostscript release, 3.51, is one of them. Get it from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/aladdin and use the pdf2ps shell script or pdf2ps.bat batch file depending on your environment. 31-Oct-1995 18:54:12-GMT,1198;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23147 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16035; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:52:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15975 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:52:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:51:41 -0600 Message-Id: <9510311851.AA02846@sun31.cs.wisc.edu> From: "L. Peter Deutsch" To: fred@micropat.com Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199510311710.MAA02650@micropat.com> (fred@micropat.com) Subject: Re: .pdf to .pcx Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "L. Peter Deutsch" > Does anyone know of a utility or application which will enable the > conversion of .pdf documents into .pcx (or .tiff or similar) graphics file > format, preferably in a batch mode? Aladdin Ghostscript 3.51, available from ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/ghost/aladdin, will do this. It supports PCX, TIFF (several flavors), and PBM/PGM/PPM raster output formats. 31-Oct-1995 19:13:06-GMT,2478;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA23396 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:12:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16310; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:09:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16165 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:07:05 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:21:19 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815078081@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Cc: "itr" Subject: Re: Page Size Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com You could reformat your pages to screen-like proportions or simply leave them in print orientation; Acrobat has plenty of zoom and scroll tools to let the user get at the information regardless of whether it's designed for screen or not. >From the business side, you can use Acrobat's built-in Security features to turn off printing from your CD-ROM files, so the user has to call in for the print version. Or you could provide a second version of your documents on the CD, protected so the user has has to call in for a password to Open the document, but can then print it. There is also a plug-in available from a third party that lets you sell a document to a user where the password is hidden, but associated with that user's hard disk. Take a look at the Acrobat CD Sampler for examples of formatting for screen versus formatting for print. Gary Cosimini Adobe New York _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Page Size From: "itr" at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 9:52 AM We are about to convert from 7 x 9 Interleaf to Frame 5 and use Acrobat for online viewing. We want to offer the documentation on CD-ROM with the option of selling hard copy to users. Because we are at the junction of converting anyway, we can change the template to 8 1/2 x 11 or whatever is the most appropriate. There is also the consideration of A4 paper that people will be using outside the U.S. I would like to know what is being done out in the market. I am new to the use of CD-ROM. Please advise. 31-Oct-1995 19:14:21-GMT,3539;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA23435 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16315; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:09:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16220 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:07:55 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:36:32 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815078085@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) Subject: Re: Problem with distillation Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com In general, for optimum fidelity I would recommend you save Corel Draw logos in Encapsulated PostScript format before placing them in Pagemaker. This way, Pagemaker does not have to convert from one format (WMF) to another (GDI), and then to convert that to PostScript: 3 interpretations, 23 opportunities for error. Numerous non-symetrical transformations would have to take place in that scenario, making predictablity a bit uncertain. Also, you can Distill the Corel EPS file all by itself beforehand to to test it. Pagemaker simply passes EPS files through to Distiller--no transformations (other than size or orientation) or interpretations will occur. For logos that use fonts, I'd also recommend you convert the type used in your logo to outlines in Corel, if it allows this, before saving as EPS. You may end up with a more compact representation in PDF. Gary Cosimini Adobe New York _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Problem with distillation From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 3:10 PM I'd appreciate some hints on what might be going wrong with PDF files for a simple two-page PR sheet. I produced the mast-head logotype in PageMaker 5.0 after using CorelDraw's envelope-changing function to modify the title lettering and then exported/placed it as a WMF file. The title was in black lettering on a transparent background. Inside PageMaker I played around with the limited range of rectangle and circle tools to recreate the designer's concept--a single-colour background with a grey "shadow" along upper and RH edges. The first time I distilled this it came out reasonably well. The EPS colour of the background shifted considerably, but I can live with that. The PROBLEM is that in the second and subsequent editions part of the originally WMF title just doesn't reproduce. The title is GLOBAL NEWS, and part of the word "NEWS" is completely blanked out. Would I be better to recreate the entire masthead in CorelDraw? Or is it that Distiller has problems with WMF? (If so, why did it work the first time?) The main difference in the way I produced the masthead for the first and subsequent editions is that I copied the orginal masthead to a template and used that after the first edition. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I'll report back to the list if any suggestion I receive works... Roger PS: If it would help, I can post a URL to the *successful* PDF file. The unsuccessful ones aren't up yet... Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 31-Oct-1995 19:19:44-GMT,1482;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA23535 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:19:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16623; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:17:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16562 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:16:33 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:46:10 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815079217@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Aaron Goldwater , pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: Re: Profile searching Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Aaron: What exactly do you man by "profile searching"? Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Profile searching From: Aaron Goldwater at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 5:51 AM Can anyone tell me whether Catalog does profile searching, or whether there is another product that in fact does profile searching across PDF files. We are having difficulty getting Catalog here (out of stock) and also getting any real info on the product. Thanks Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 31-Oct-1995 19:19:44-GMT,1482;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA23535 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:19:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16623; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:17:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16562 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:16:33 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:46:10 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815079217@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: Aaron Goldwater , pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Subject: Re: Profile searching Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Aaron: What exactly do you man by "profile searching"? Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Profile searching From: Aaron Goldwater at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 5:51 AM Can anyone tell me whether Catalog does profile searching, or whether there is another product that in fact does profile searching across PDF files. We are having difficulty getting Catalog here (out of stock) and also getting any real info on the product. Thanks Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 31-Oct-1995 19:19:48-GMT,4537;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA23538 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16523; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:16:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16474 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:15:48 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:00:00 PST Message-Id: <9509308150.AA815078162@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) Subject: Re: Problems with distilling AmiPro documents Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Roger: I'm not too familiar with Ami Pro, but there are some general suggestions I could offer which may halp: Fonts: if you have a choice, use Type 1 fonts rather than TrueType fonts when creating PDF files. Be sure you are using the latest version of Distiller (2.1 is the current shipping version whenever possible. If you are using 1.0, there are going to be more problems than with versions 2.0 and later). The follwing important note is from Distiller's Help file: "WINDOWS 3.1 AND TRUETYPE FONTS D When you use TrueType fonts in Windows 3.1, the Microsoft Windows 3.1 PostScript printer driver by default converts them to PostScript Type 1 fonts when it creates a PostScript file for PostScript printing. In this PostScript file, special Type 1 font subsets are used and the names of these fonts may not be unique; this caused a problem for Acrobat Distiller 1.0 but has been fixed in Acrobat Distiller 2.0. So, for Acrobat Distiller 2.0, it is recommended that you set up your PostScript printer driver to send TrueType fonts as PostScript Type 1 fonts. You can do this as follows: 1/From the Control Panel program group, open the Printers control panel. 2/ Select your PostScript printer driver you have set up to save PostScript files to disk. 3/Choose Setup. 4/Choose Options. 5/Choose Advanced. In the TrueType Fonts section, from the Send to Printer as: pop-up menu choose "Adobe Type 1"." There are also more tips in the Distiller Help file; use Exchange's Search tool and look for references to TrueType. As far as BMP images are comcerned, maybe someone else with more Ami Pro experience can suggest whether there are known problems with this format. Color can be tricky with any bitmapped image that has to be translated to PostScript by a word processor (word processors are not necessarily great at handling color!). One good way to resolve most of these problems is to use Adobe Photoshop to open and save BMP files as EPS before placemant in your final document (see previous message re logos). This pre-filtration will provide more consistent results because the EPS will be passed throgh, rather than translated as the BMP would be, by the host application. Gary Cosimini Adobe New York _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Problems with distilling AmiPro documents From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) at cc_smtp2 Date: 10/27/95 3:11 PM We are producing an illustrated 40-page document for a client and have chosen AmiPro, rather than PageMaker, for its ease of creating simple graphics. Many of the illustrations are *.BMP files created from a video on the same subject. The document will eventually be distributed as a PDF file, and we have been disturbed to see that some of the bitmapped images do not survive the distillation process properly. Of three illustrations on the first page, one comes through fine while the other two come through in monochrome and with a severe case of the jaggies. The latter two had very little colour but we do need what there was! I also note that the truetype font we are using has a mild case of the jaggies, unlike PostScript fonts. (If this is a characteristic problem of truetype fonts when distilled it's easily solved. We have plenty of PS fonts!) We are only three or four pages into the work, and urgently need to know whether the AmiPro/*.BMP/Distiller route has known problems we must solve to avoid the unacceptable result described above, and if so how. Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 31-Oct-1995 19:20:05-GMT,1152;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA23543 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:19:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16597; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:16:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16524 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:16:12 -0600 From: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:09:34 PST Message-Id: <9509318151.AA815166704@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: fred@micropat.com, "L. Peter Deutsch" Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: .pdf to .pcx Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gchristo@mv.us.adobe.com > Does anyone know of a utility or application which will enable the > conversion of .pdf documents into .pcx (or .tiff or similar) graphics file > format, preferably in a batch mode? Also: SuperPrint will print from _any_ application to an image. Works very well, and comes with a windows queue optimizer that is claimed to speed up printing. -Greg 31-Oct-1995 20:28:39-GMT,1669;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA24651 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17142; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:25:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA17096 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:24:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:29:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael J. Callahan" X-Sender: mikec@atl1 To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: postscript and plug_ins sdk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael J. Callahan" I have just recently received and started working with the plug_ins sdk. There is an example of a plug in which modifies a PDF document. It has the following in a memory buffer, and works as it says: // draw square in lower left corner of page... char rect[] = "4 w 100 100 80 80 re S " ; Is that postscript language? I have been reading thru a postscript tutorial and the above doesn't match with any of the operators that I can find. I tried inserting some postscript and received some 'unrecognized 'moveto'', 'unrecognized 'newpath'' etc... errors on real simple postscript language operators. Can someone explain this to me? Thanks in advance... ------------------------------- |\/|ike C. -- mikec@america.net *note: insert clever tagline here... 5-Nov-1995 7:48:53-GMT,928;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA00879 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 00:48:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA16697; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 01:47:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA16641 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 01:43:40 -0600 From: cck@hntp2.hinet.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:46:30 +0800 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: PDF and Chinese Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: cck@hntp2.hinet.net Hi, Does anyone have experiences in creating Chinese (conventional or Simplified) PDF files? Please share your opinions, thanks in advance! 5-Nov-1995 22:49:18-GMT,1470;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01941 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:49:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20191; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:48:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20058 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:42:57 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:40:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199511052240.QAA07380@solar.sky.net> X-Sender: brud@sky.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: Brud Jones Subject: PDF Screen redraws Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brud Jones Is there any orm or fashion to the way in which the screen redraws in Acrobat? By creating file in Quark is there any way for me to control the images drawn first or how the screen clears like in Powerpoint or Director Apps? _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@sky.net 5-Nov-1995 22:56:21-GMT,1900;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01978 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20272; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:55:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20229 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:54:53 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 95 14:54:28 PST X-Sender: billworld@mail.accessone.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: acrobat@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com From: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Subject: Re: PDF Screen redraws Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) At 4:40 PM 11/5/95, Brud Jones wrote: >Is there any orm or fashion to the way in which the screen redraws in >Acrobat? By creating file in Quark is there any way for me to control the >images drawn first or how the screen clears like in Powerpoint or Director >Apps? Yes. I had fun experimenting with this one day. Items appear to redraw corresponding to their layered order in Quark. Yes its a neat way to an effect like display a word then immediately cover it up by a colored box and then change the color of that box, etc... Cheesy multimedia from within Acrobat! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - Bill Doerrfeld Blue World Communications bill@blueworld.com Issaquah, WA (yes that's near Seattle) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - "Bringing Business to the Internet" Visit our website creations at http://www.blueworld.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - 5-Nov-1995 23:38:20-GMT,3088;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA02204 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA20763; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:37:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA20718 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:37:02 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199511052336.SAA01374@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: PDF Screen redraws To: bill@blueworld.com (Bill Doerrfeld) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:36:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "Bill Doerrfeld" at Nov 5, 95 02:54:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > At 4:40 PM 11/5/95, Brud Jones wrote: > >Is there any orm or fashion to the way in which the screen redraws in > >Acrobat? By creating file in Quark is there any way for me to control the > >images drawn first or how the screen clears like in Powerpoint or Director > >Apps? > > Yes. I had fun experimenting with this one day. Items appear to redraw > corresponding to their layered order in Quark. Yes its a neat way to an > effect like display a word then immediately cover it up by a colored box > and then change the color of that box, etc... > > Cheesy multimedia from within Acrobat! There a couple of demos that illustrate this behavior. One of the most interesting is Phil Smith's "Animated Logo" which is available from his "PDF Corner" at: http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk:80/~pns/pdfcorner/ I created a demo about a year and half ago called "Stupid PDF Tricks" that used similar techniques for some interesting effects. (If anyone's really interested I could probably dig up a copy.) But, of course, I should point out that these are not a recommended procedures. Don't try this at home, kids. These tricks rely on a side effect of the currect Adobe PDF viewers and should not be expected to work in future products (or even consistently on the current ones). For example, page caching in the 2.0 viewers changes the behavior of these types of tricks in multi-page documents. So, have fun with these techniques, but don't use them for anything important. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6-Nov-1995 7:08:28-GMT,1656;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA02217 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:08:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA23618; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:07:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA23560 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:05:03 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 01:03:55 CST From: fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Frank Baker) Message-Id: <9511060703.AA18194@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: LaTeX to PostScript to PDF Cc: fbaker@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Frank Baker) Using Acrobat Distiller, I have converted several dozen scientific papers from PostScript to PDF with few or no problems. The PostScript versions of several of these papers were originally generated from LaTex source files, via dvi. One paper, however, is not converting properly. The PostScript file prints cleanly from a UNIX system, with all the pages formatted appropriately. But the PDF file generated by Distiller contains broken pages and broken graphics. As some pages display, the graphics flash on the screen then disappear. Some pages are rotated 90 degrees and only partially present. At least one page is rotated 90 degrees AND shifted almost off the page. What might be causing this? Where should I be looking for the source of the trouble? What questions should I be asking myself? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. -- Frank Baker 6-Nov-1995 13:29:58-GMT,1430;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA03730 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:29:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA25513; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:28:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA25447 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:25:34 -0600 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 06:02 PST From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: pdf-l@aladdin.com Subject: Need PDF files with LZW Predictor = 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) Does anyone have any PDF files that include LZW-compressed image data with Predictor = 2? I need to test this function of the Ghostscript PDF interpreter, and I haven't found any files that use this feature. (None of the 500+ files on the Adobe Acrobat Sampler CD-ROM use it.) Thanks - L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 6-Nov-1995 14:41:13-GMT,2942;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA04157 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:39:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA25966; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:38:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA25915 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:37:55 -0600 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: ]J 04 Nov 95 17:23:26 EST Message-Id: <9510068156.AA815679652@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: RICK_SAPIR@gilbarco.com, PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: PDF Font Problems Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov I had this same sort of error when trying to print Adobe Press Releases (like the one announcing Amber). Anyway, I realized that the ATM.INI file references AdobeSerMM and AdobeSanMM fonts rather than AdobeSerifMM and AdobeSansMM. I took the lines that referenced the bad fonts, copied them right below the current lines and changed the lines to use "Serif" and "Sans". This seemed to fix the problem. Check the Document Info, Fonts to see that the fonts in the document. Joe Help. I have a QurakXPress document that I printed to a PS file and ran throught Acrobat Distiller 2.0 (all on PowerMac). Actually, the document is nothing but one page of text. I'm testing different fonts (Adobe Type 1) to see how Distillization and substitution will change them. I brought the doucment up in Acrobat Reader 2.1 (Windows) and it looked fine. But when I printed it, I got the following error: An error occured while downloading a font. This document might not print correctly. The document didn't print. Instead I got the following PS error: Offending Command = get Error = nametype : undefined this name is not defined in a directory Stack = false dvlen --nostringval-- BlendAxisTypes When I try to print the PDF file from Reader 2.1 on PowerMac, I get the following error: Error: undefined Offending Command = get Stack = /BlendAxisTypes -dictionary- /dvlen false I'm printing to QMS 1660 & 860 printers. I'm using regular Adobe Type 1 fonts Any help ya'll can give.... +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Where would we be without the ability - Warrior to let our minds wander?" "PLM1" 6-Nov-1995 19:24:11-GMT,2102;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA06800 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27181; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:23:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA27124 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:21:04 -0600 From: Cathy.Riely@amd.com (Cathy Riely) Message-Id: <9511061927.AA20919@wrangel.amd.com> Subject: Case in document names To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:27:12 -0600 (CST) Cc: cathy.riely@amd.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Cathy.Riely@amd.com (Cathy Riely) We're in the process of creating PDF files of all our software manuals. These PDF files will be distributed on CD-ROM to our Windows and UNIX customers. I am creating the PDFs on my PC using Exchange. The PDF files live on a Sun-4. When I create links between documents using Exchange, the links are hard-coded in the document with the filename of the source document as uppercase (although the files on the Sun are in lowercase). So the links worked with the Windows Reader on a PC, but didn't with the UNIX reader on a Sun. So I changed all the filenames on the Sun to be all uppercase. Now the links work for me whether I'm on my PC or Sun. However, this doesn't work for one of our vendors. When he tries to view the all-uppercase PDF file sitting on the Sun through his PC, the filename is truncated and comes over garbled. So the links don't work. I'm using samba (shareware) on my PC; he's using PCNFS. Any suggestions? I'm worried that some of our customers may load the PDFs to a central UNIX machine (since they can be large) and have the user access the files from their PC. I'd like to avoid manually changing case of the filenames in the PDF files. Thanks, Cathy Riely 6-Nov-1995 20:57:01-GMT,2836;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07776 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:56:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA27667; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:55:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA27621 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:53:56 -0600 From: Cathy.Riely@amd.com (Cathy Riely) Message-Id: <9511062100.AA23621@wrangel.amd.com> Subject: Case in document names (fwd) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:00:26 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Cathy.Riely@amd.com (Cathy Riely) In the words of Gilda Radner, never mind. I just downloaded the latest UNIX Acrobat readers and Adobe has fixed this problem. The UNIX readers now recognize the links, although the filenames are lowercase. Thanks, Cathy Riely Forwarded message: > From Cathy.Riely@amd.com Mon Nov 6 13:19:48 1995 > From: Cathy.Riely@amd.com (Cathy Riely) > Message-Id: <9511061927.AA20919@wrangel.amd.com> > Subject: Case in document names > To: PDF-L@emrg.com > Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:27:12 -0600 (CST) > Cc: cathy.riely@amd.com > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1192 > > We're in the process of creating PDF files of all > our software manuals. These PDF files will be distributed > on CD-ROM to our Windows and UNIX customers. > > I am creating the PDFs on my PC using Exchange. The > PDF files live on a Sun-4. When I create links between > documents using Exchange, the links are hard-coded in > the document with the filename of the source document > as uppercase (although the files on the Sun are in > lowercase). So the links worked with the Windows Reader > on a PC, but didn't with the UNIX reader on a Sun. > > So I changed all the filenames on the Sun to be all > uppercase. Now the links work for me whether I'm on > my PC or Sun. > > However, this doesn't work for one of our vendors. > When he tries to view the all-uppercase PDF file > sitting on the Sun through his PC, the filename is > truncated and comes over garbled. So the links don't work. > > I'm using samba (shareware) on my PC; he's using > PCNFS. Any suggestions? I'm worried that some of > our customers may load the PDFs to a central UNIX machine > (since they can be large) and have the user access the files > from their PC. > > I'd like to avoid manually changing case of the filenames in > the PDF files. > > Thanks, > Cathy Riely > 6-Nov-1995 22:37:10-GMT,1754;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA08880 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA28136; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:35:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA28089 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:34:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:32:00 -0800 (PST) From: kclarke X-Sender: kclarke@ccnet3 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Distiller - Won't Distill Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: kclarke Whenever I try to run Distiller on one particular machine, I get a log like the following as output (it has baffled Adobe tech support so far): %%[ Error: limitcheck; OffendingCommand: findfont ]%% Stack: /Font /Times-Roman /basefontdict 21 0 0 0 24 24 0 0 32 %%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%% %%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %% Any idea from this what the problem might be? Under font directories, I have Distiller pointing at c:\acrodist\fonts and c:\psfonts (which should be right). I installed exactly the same way on a different machine at tech support's request, and it worked right away on that machine. TIA... -- \|//////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|/ - ====== kclarke@ccnet.com ===== http://www.ccnet.com/~kclarke/ - /|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////////////////////|\ 7-Nov-1995 2:01:19-GMT,2513;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA10430 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:01:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA29125; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:00:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA29058 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:58:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:58:43 -0800 (PST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU From: gennari@slac.stanford.edu (l trindle gennari) Subject: passing value of variables from ps to pdf X-Sender: gennari@popserv.slac.stanford.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: gennari@slac.stanford.edu Message-id: X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gennari@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (l trindle gennari) Hey gang- I'm putting together a TOC document for what will be a CD of about 1200 pdf files. The data for the TOC is generated by a Fortran (I believe) program from our database. I would like to make each entry in the TOC a link that opens the corresponding pdf file. I know how to put in the links one at a time using: [ /Rect [...] %-put in appropriate coordinates /Border [0 0 0] /Action /Launch /File (...) %-put in appropriate folder and file names /LNK pdfmark But getting all those coordinates by hand is not a fun sport. What I'd like to do is get them from PostScript and hand them off to the PDFmark command, so I'd have something like [ /Rect [LowLX LowLY UpRX UpRY] /Border [ 0 0 0 ] /Action /Launch /File (...) /LNK where the variables are (putting the PDFmark right after the TOC entry is drawn on the page: /LowLX { currentpoint pop (TOCentry) stringwidth sub} def /LowLY {currentpoint exch pop} def /UpRX {currentpoint pop} def /UpRY {currentpoint pop lineheight add} def Is something like this possible? I have the feeling I'm almost there, but missing something (like maybe more than a rudimentary knowledge of both PDF and PS!). ltg ***************************************************************** Technical Publications Department http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/techpubs/home.html Information Technology Analyst gennari@slac.stanford.edu ***************************************************************** 7-Nov-1995 8:31:32-GMT,1881;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA13231 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA31282; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:30:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA31230 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:29:35 -0600 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:27:44 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7; Relayed; Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:27:44 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:30:05 -0500 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:27:44 -0500 (EST) From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 Subject: Putting screengrabs in PDF Docs... To: Acrobat Mailing List Message-Id: <4844270807111995/A25335/UKIMS7/119B3A1B2B00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 119B3A1B2B00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;4844270807111995/A25335/UKIMS7] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 I'm sure there's a way of doing this - all I want to do is stick some screenshots in an Acrobat doc so that when I display it using the Reader at 100%, it looks exactly as it did originally, i.e. no distortion. However, I seem to have tried every combination of file formats, resampling resolutions, compression methods/not-using-compression-at-all I can think of, and they still come out looking terrible every time. Any suggestions gratefully received.... Regards, Calum Benson, The Usability Group. 7-Nov-1995 9:17:18-GMT,1246;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA13399 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA31532; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 03:16:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA31488 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 03:15:47 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:15:23 +1000 Message-Id: <199511070915.TAA05822@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Reader install problems Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Anyone had problems installing Windows version of Reader. We are havng problems with a Windows based DX2/66, however identical machines are not having this issue - any ideas Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 7-Nov-1995 12:20:32-GMT,1846;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA14020 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 05:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA32230; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:19:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA32141 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:17:41 -0600 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:31:50 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7; Relayed; Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:31:50 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:34:10 -0500 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 08:31:50 -0500 (EST) From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 Subject: Reader Distribution question To: Acrobat Mailing List Message-Id: <2250310807111995/A25347/UKIMS7/119B3A1F3100*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 119B3A1F3100 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;2250310807111995/A25347/UKIMS7] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 I seem to remember it was a licensing condition (although I can't actually remember where I read it) of Reader 2.0 that it had to be distributed in its standalone self-installing executable format. Is this is also the same for 2.1? Does this therefore mean that if we want to distribute it on a CD, there's no way of running the Reader directly from that - everybody who gets the CD will have to install the reader on their PC? Slainte, Calum Benson, The Usability Group. 7-Nov-1995 13:59:44-GMT,1853;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA14429 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA00111; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:59:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA00049 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:57:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199511071357.HAA00013@grandcanyon.binc.net> To: Aaron Goldwater MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK cc: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Re: Reader install problems In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 07 Nov 95 19:15:23 +1000. <199511070915.TAA05822@enterprise.powerup.com.au> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 13:09:21 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Tue, 07 Nov 95 19:15:23 +1000 you said: >Anyone had problems installing Windows version of Reader. We are havng >problems with a Windows based DX2/66, however identical machines are not >having this issue - any ideas >Aaron >Qmail >PO Box 363 >Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 >Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 >email: qmail@powerup.com.au Dear mind readers, I am "havng problems" with my life - any ideas Phil. p.s. OK, I'm having a bad day, but people generally find that knowing what the problem is helps them to provide a solution. One idea: if you are installing from CD-ROM, make sure you have it the right way up. In Queensland, this means having both the drive and the disc upside-down :-) 7-Nov-1995 14:04:38-GMT,1853;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA14457 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00224; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:01:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA00172 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:01:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199511071354.HAA00009@grandcanyon.binc.net> To: Aaron Goldwater MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK cc: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net MMDF-Warning: Unable to confirm address in preceding line at pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Re: Reader install problems In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 07 Nov 95 19:15:23 +1000. <199511070915.TAA05822@enterprise.powerup.com.au> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 13:09:21 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith In your message of Tue, 07 Nov 95 19:15:23 +1000 you said: >Anyone had problems installing Windows version of Reader. We are havng >problems with a Windows based DX2/66, however identical machines are not >having this issue - any ideas >Aaron >Qmail >PO Box 363 >Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 >Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 >email: qmail@powerup.com.au Dear mind readers, I am "havng problems" with my life - any ideas Phil. p.s. OK, I'm having a bad day, but people generally find that knowing what the problem is helps them to provide a solution. One idea: if you are installing from CD-ROM, make sure you have it the right way up. In Queensland, this means having both the drive and the disc upside-down :-) 7-Nov-1995 14:57:56-GMT,1448;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA14707 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:57:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00720; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:56:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA00640 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:55:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 12:38 GMT From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Bug with ToC levels? To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Just spent 2 days fixing a problem with a PDF file that I'm working on, which is generated with Ventura 5.0. Other readers of this group may be interested in the solution. My Table of Contents wasn't converting correctly to an outline. There were Level 1 headings displayed as Level 3, and other similar errors. It seems that you mustn't "skip" a ToC level when defining headings. A Level 2 heading, for example, must be followed by a level 3 or 1. If it's followed by anything else the ToC in the Acrobat Reader's outline window doesn't display correctly, even though Ventura generates a Contents page that looks perfectly OK on paper. R. 7-Nov-1995 23:51:17-GMT,5107;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA20851 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA02829; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:50:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA02769 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:47:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:46:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9511072346.AA05785@dsunix2.dsrd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: b4z@dsunix2.dsrd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: BorgsmilleMJ@oaunx1.ctd.ornl.gov (Michael Borgsmiller) Subject: Random Character Whiteouts/Ommissions Occurring in PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: BorgsmilleMJ@oaunx1.ctd.ornl.gov (Michael Borgsmiller) Different Acrobat Exchange/Reader clients are incorrectly displaying and/or printing textual data within some manually editted Corel Draw 5.0 generated EPS files that have been distilled using the Distiller App on an NT Server machine. The "whiteout" rendering of specific characters in the textual titles above the vector engineering drawings seems to always be consistent for a given Acrobat Reader or Acrobat Exchange client on a given machine, however, between machines and different executable clients on the same machine there are often differences. Additionally, for an individual document the same characters are consistently whited-out, but the same fonted character on another similarly modified document will render correctly. The editting that occurred to these files was to remove a binary encoded preamble and very long trailer of binary characters at the end of the EPS document, as indicated by the "DELETED" comments below. The snippet that follows should help you repeat what I did if you have Corel Draw 5.0 and select EXPORT file menu item and choose Placeable EPS with the text as text option selected. |---- DELETED Below Binary---| EPSF yb c ^ %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0 %%BoundingBox: 65 -24 655 598 %%Creator: CorelDRAW! %%Title: 135120BA.EPS %%CreationDate: Tue Nov 07 17:08:46 1995 %%DocumentProcessColors: Cyan Magenta Yellow Black %%DocumentSuppliedResources: (atend) %%DocumentNeededResources: (atend) %%EndComments %%BeginSetup /AutoFlatness true def %Color profile: _DEFAULT.CCS - Generic CMYK Color Printer %%EndSetup %%BeginProlog {snipped out volumes of postscript vector drawing code} %%+ font BritannicBold-Bold % binary encoded info started on next line II* {snipped out what I assume was binary font information } |-------- DELETED above binary font info ------------------| I deleted this binary encoded info because it caused a problem for Distiller Ver 2.1 Also, I added an extra % to the first line so as to adhere to the double %% advisory comment convention. Additionally, on some editted Corel Draw 5.0 exported placeable EPSs I added different pagesize information between %%BeginSetup and %%EndSetup (i.e., did per Adobe's help file so some would be rendered in 792 by 612 landscape mode). These latter changes are believed to not be relevant to the problem, because random whiteouts of characters occurred on potrait drawings that were not modified further. What really bothers me is the lack of consistency between Adobe Acrobat Reader/Exchange clients on the same and different machines. I reinstalled my Acrobat Exchange client on my NT Server and obtained yet another variation of random character whiteouts from the textual titles of the vector drawings. When printed each client printed the drawing exactly as it was rendered, i.e., character whiteouts and all. Approximately 6 out of 8 of my 8 different titled drawings were rendered correctly for any given Adobe Acrobat Reader/Exchange Client. Additionally, re-exporting the drawings with no editting changes to the original cdr file version resulted in the same whiteout output from each client. Please note, during Export of the EPS files from Corel Draw 5.0 I chose to export the text as text. If I export them as curves and then perform the same deletions and modifications to the resultant placeable EPS file I have no rendering display or print problems. My question to this forum's listening experts is whether I have accidently uncovered a sly bug in the font matching/rendering algorithm of Adobe's clients. And, am I correct to believe it has to be a font rendering problem (All the fonts in question were "Britannica Bold"). My bug hypothesis is based upon the remarkable variation between different Acrobat 2.1 clients and having different character whiteouts between documents using the same fonted characters and the same Acrobat PDF Client. Puzzled, Michael J. Borgsmiller Phone: 615 576-8272 Lockheed Martin Energy Systems Fax: 615 574-7624 Opinions Expressed Are My Own -- Not My Employer's 8-Nov-1995 13:33:05-GMT,1492;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA26125 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 06:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA06452; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:31:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA06339 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:22:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 13:21 GMT From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Re: Whiteouts To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) >Subject: Random Character Whiteouts/Ommissions Occurring in PDFs >Different Acrobat Exchange/Reader clients are incorrectly displaying >and/or printing textual data within some manually editted Corel Draw 5.0 >generated EPS files that have been distilled using the Distiller App on >an NT Server machine. Er, your EPS file wouldn't distill so you removed the bits that were causing the error? Then the generated PDF file doesn't look right? I'm not surprised! If the file wouldn't distill, you need to find out why, or generate one that will. For a start, you shouldn't be distilling EPS anyway - generate standard PostScript .PRN files. Sorry if this sounds rude - it's not meant to. R. 8-Nov-1995 17:02:46-GMT,1921;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA27714 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:02:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07874; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:00:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07828 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:57:46 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 14:33:55 PST Message-Id: <9510088158.AA815849640@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Putting screengrabs in PDF Docs... Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com I use screen grab software (Falsh-It on the Mac) that prints. I use PDFWriter (LZW compression, not JPEG) and this produces perfect pages every time. Save the document to open at 100% and you should see no difference between the original grap and your PDF file. If you display the file on a different display, naturally, there may be side effects like fewer bit levels, smaller screen size, etc. Gary Cosimini _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Putting screengrabs in PDF Docs... From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 at cc_smtp2 Date: 11/7/95 12:29 AM I'm sure there's a way of doing this - all I want to do is stick some screenshots in an Acrobat doc so that when I display it using the Reader at 100%, it looks exactly as it did originally, i.e. no distortion. However, I seem to have tried every combination of file formats, resampling resolutions, compression methods/not-using-compression-at-all I can think of, and they still come out looking terrible every time. Any suggestions gratefully received.... Regards, Calum Benson, The Usability Group. 8-Nov-1995 21:42:04-GMT,1308;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA00909 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA08954; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:37:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA08902 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:34:10 -0600 From: "Kenneth Chestnutt" Message-Id: <9511081633.ZM3699@eos.ncsu.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:33:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: hypertext links Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kenneth Chestnutt" i need to display documents across several different platforms and it looks like Adobe Acrobat will fulfill my needs. What i cannot find out is if it will support hypertext links from within the text. i need to be able to click on a word or picture inside the text and have a description pop up or jump to another area of the document. is this possible? are there any examples i can download and view to see if they are what i am searching for? ken 8-Nov-1995 22:31:59-GMT,1681;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA01427 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:31:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09294; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:30:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA09249 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:29:06 -0600 From: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) To: kchestn@eos.ncsu.edu (Kenneth Chestnutt), PDF-L@emrg.com (PDF-L) Message-ID: <1995Nov08.162349.1178.105130@msm2.atk.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: Alliant Techsystems, Inc. Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 16:25:14 -0600 Subject: RE: hypertext links Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rradtke@ATK.COM (Robert Radtke) Ken, Acrobat allows you place links in your documents in the Exchange program. There is a Link tool that allows you to place the links around things and determine the destination view of the link. You can also link to other files by defining the file path. Bookmarks are also available to provide an outline type list of named objects that link to a location in your documents. The manual process is time consuming. If you need a lot of links and bookmarks the Alliant InfoLinker plug-in will build automated links based on syntactic rules in your documents. If you want more infomation on the plug-in contact me and I'll send it to you. Bob Radtke Alliant TechSystems 813-572-2199 9-Nov-1995 15:18:58-GMT,1241;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA09126 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:18:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13318; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:18:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA13248 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:13:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 11:12 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Subject: new site Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Brian, I have started a new site. The www address is www.dconstructs.com/dc/ Check it out. I include Emerge as a valuable resource for Acrobat and the Internet. I would like your input. Bob Moran Robert E. Moran Digital Constructs Inc. 759 North Park Avenue Redding, CT 06896 Voice 203-452-1116 Fax 203-452-0416 e-mial remoran@kiwi.futuris.net Web Site: ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13634; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:56:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA13592 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:55:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:55:20 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: rburke@u.arizona.edu (Robert Burke) Subject: Video first-frames on page do not print Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rburke@u.arizona.edu (Robert Burke) I am building a PDF document that has two Quick Time video clips on one of the pages. The text, videos and sound are fine on the screen. However, only the text prints but the first- frames of these videos don't print. Any answers? Thanks in advance Bob Burke 9-Nov-1995 17:12:35-GMT,1983;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA10256 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14024; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:11:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13972 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:10:35 -0600 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 18:02:34 PST Message-Id: <9510098159.AA815936811@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Putting screengrabs in PDF Docs... Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com The default compression setting for color images is JPEG, which inherently introduces artifacts into your image. In the case of a screen-shot, which is not continuous tone, these artifacts are quite noticeable. In your PDF Writer or Distiller options, change this compression setting to LZW. That should fix the problem. - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems Incorporated ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Putting screengrabs in PDF Docs... Author: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 at cc_smtp2 Date: 11/7/95 12:29 AM I'm sure there's a way of doing this - all I want to do is stick some screenshots in an Acrobat doc so that when I display it using the Reader at 100%, it looks exactly as it did originally, i.e. no distortion. However, I seem to have tried every combination of file formats, resampling resolutions, compression methods/not-using-compression-at-all I can think of, and they still come out looking terrible every time. Any suggestions gratefully received.... Regards, Calum Benson, The Usability Group. 9-Nov-1995 17:41:48-GMT,2979;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA10699 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:41:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14142; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:20:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14088 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:19:27 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199511091719.MAA15259@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: new site To: remoran@kiwi.futuris.net (Robert E. Moran) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:19:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "Robert E. Moran" at Nov 9, 95 11:12:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > Brian, I have started a new site. The www address is > www.dconstructs.com/dc/ Check it out. I include Emerge as a valuable > resource for Acrobat and the Internet. I would like your input. Bob: Nice site. I find the black-and-white graphics particularly effective. Acrobat Interactive is a good intro to what Acrobat and what it can do. I have only one criticism -- you have several cross document links (to Reader Interactive, Distiller Interactive, etc.) but these, of course, don't work if you receive the file from the web. You might want to change these to WebLinks for the web version. By the way, this illustrates one item high on my list of things I'd like to see in a future version of Acrobat -- the ability to have a single hypertext link resolve to *multiple* destinations that are attempted (in sequence) until one works. In this way you could have a single link that would work as a local cross-document link if the document is available locally or retrieve a copy from the web if a local copy is not available. A single PDF file would then work whether you delivered the files on CD-ROM (with local links) or retrived it from the web. This "multiple hit list" would also allow you to include a series of URLs to mirror sites for the same document that could used if the first site is unavailable or the document has moved. Maybe in Acrobat 3.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9-Nov-1995 17:48:10-GMT,1722;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA10771 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:47:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14474; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:47:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14434 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:46:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199511091742.AA04999@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:41:34 -0500 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Q: Web Home Page from Acrobat? To: acrobat@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Can Adobe Acrobat be used to create a WWW home page? If so, it seems to be a much more elegant solution than using HTML. I've heard that the new version of Netscape can "read" PDF files and that the 2.1 Reader has a Web brouser plug-in. Is it really a simple matter of making PDF files and putting them as my web page? Can someone clue me in... +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "Where would we be without the ability - Warrior to let our minds wander?" "PLM1" 9-Nov-1995 19:42:06-GMT,1805;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12137 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:41:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15030; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:38:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA14987 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:37:36 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 14:27:15 PDT Message-Id: <9510098159.AA815945623@signum.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 Subject: Re: Reader Distribution question Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Calum: Yes. Running Reader directly off a CD would produce unacceptable performance. It may look simple, but it's a very powerful application and needs to be installed. Reader with Search for CD-ROM has just shipped; please see our website for more details. Gary Cosimini Adobe Systems NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Reader Distribution question From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 at cc_smtp5 Date: 11/7/95 6:52 AM I seem to remember it was a licensing condition (although I can't actually remember where I read it) of Reader 2.0 that it had to be distributed in its standalone self-installing executable format. Is this is also the same for 2.1? Does this therefore mean that if we want to distribute it on a CD, there's no way of running the Reader directly from that - everybody who gets the CD will have to install the reader on their PC? Slainte, Calum Benson, The Usability Group. 9-Nov-1995 19:46:35-GMT,1971;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12151 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:46:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15191; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:45:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA15058 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199511091938.NAA19748@glacier.binc.net> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 19:25:12 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat User Forum meeting Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford Acrobat User Forum (AUF) ======================== The Brits on the pdf-l list probably know about this already but if any of the rest of you (Rebel Yankees, Antipodeans, fellow members of the European Community etc. etc.) just happen to be in the UK next week then be sure to drop in to: The Acrobat User Forum's Autumn Circus at The Chartered Society of Designers 29, Bedford Square LONDON WC1 Short talks include: "Acrobat and Quark" Clive Bruton "The plug-in shop" Steve Rogers 'Amber ... and the Internet" Ravi Holy "Acrobat and Catalogues" Donald Scott "File Maker Pro and Adobe PageMaker 6" Geoff Nixon and several more. Although the AUF is UK-based, membership is open to anyone and we aim to run about 4 to 6 meetings per year. Watch out for our Web Page "real soon now" Further details about AUF (and subscription rates) available from: Acrobat User forum 338, Streatham High Road London SW16 6HH Tel: +44 (0)181 677 6825 Fax: +44 (0)181 677 5207 e-mail: sumo338@eworld.com 9-Nov-1995 20:11:29-GMT,2831;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA12348 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:11:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA15387; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:09:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA15335 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:07:50 -0600 X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:07:16 -0800 To: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) From: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) Subject: Re: Q: Web Home Page from Acrobat? Cc: acrobat@blueworld.com, PDF-L@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mchugh@skat.usc.edu (Michael P. McHugh) At 9:41 AM 11/9/95, Rick Sapir wrote: >Can Adobe Acrobat be used to create a WWW home page? If so, it seems to be >a much more elegant solution than using HTML. I've heard that the new >version of >Netscape can "read" PDF files and that the 2.1 Reader has a Web brouser >plug-in. > >Is it really a simple matter of making PDF files and putting them as my web >page? > >Can someone clue me in... Rick, In theory, now that the Reader 2.1 can follow URLs (you still need a Web browser to manage the URL handling, even if the URL is to another PDF file), it is entirely possible to have a PDF Web page. The problem is the same that was faced with early adopters of Netscape extensions: not everyone will be able to read your page. Even though the next version of Netscape Navigator will support the imenant "plug-in" version of the Acrobat Reader, it's unclear as to whether or not this will ever actually ship and install with Netscape. So, you can't even assume that everyone with Netscape 2.z will have the plug-in. Further still, Netscape is as yet the only company with "official" and announced plans of supporting the plug-in. So, what you want to do is possible now, but the breadth and scope of your potential audience will be in question for some time to come. You might want to start off with an "alternative" version of your homepage in PDF which you make accessible from a standard, though perhaps simpler, HTML homepage. -Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P. McHugh mchugh@ucs.usc.edu Creative Director, Electronic and Print Media http://ucs.usc.edu/~mchugh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- User Services Division, University Computing Services at USC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Nov-1995 8:07:17-GMT,2840;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA18517 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:07:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA19272; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:06:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA19163 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:00:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:57:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199511100757.IAA05625@mistral.ius-software.si> X-Sender: sandra@mistral.ius-software.si X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Subject: Plug-ins or add-ons Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Hi again! I wrote last week concerning Acrobat Reader translation in slovenian language and I want to thank everyone who had answered me. I got some useful information out of it. Anyway, it's nice not to be ignored. Now I have further questions concerning my work with Acrobat Exchange. Since Acrobat Exchange itself does not provide everything I need to do with my PDF files I think I'll need some plug-ins or add-ons. Perhaps anybody knows, WHICH plug-in or add-on (by the way: what's the difference?) should we buy to solve following problems: 1. I want to create bookmarks for a PDF file in Acrobat Exchange. Since the original font used for creating bookmarks does not support our national language character set I want to replace this font with one of ours. How can I change this font ?There is no option Within Acrobat Exchange to select a different font for bookmarks. Maybe some plug-in should help? Which one? 2. When creating thumbnails in Acrobat Exchange for a PDF file, is it possible to set the first page number to some other number than 1 (I want to have pages numerated for example from page 36 to 136 not from 1 to 100)? I think I can not do it within Acrobat Exchange. Again a plug-in? 3. As I noticed there is no possibility (yet) to mark text I want to copy to Clipboard in coloumns (let say my PDF file is a newspaper). Am I right? Or is there any tool I should use? Thanks for all your help, Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. P.S. This is the answer to Mr. Dedrick Howard: IUS is a latin name for LAW. **************************************************************************** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ 10-Nov-1995 13:49:33-GMT,2045;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA19864 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 06:49:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20389; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:48:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA20338 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:47:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199511101346.HAA12747@sw.mcc.com> X-Sender: krall@sw.mcc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:46:37 -0600 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: "Edward J. Krall" Subject: Re: Q: Web Home Page from Acrobat? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Edward J. Krall" >file), it is entirely possible to have a PDF Web page. The problem is the >same that was faced with early adopters of Netscape extensions: not >everyone will be able to read your page. And not only that -- A PDF rendition of a homepage is potentially much larger than an HTML version. Thus the total time to bring up a PDF homepage includes the long communication time plus the load time for the Acrobat reader. >You might want to start off with an "alternative" version of your homepage >in PDF which you make accessible from a standard, though perhaps simpler, >HTML homepage. Not a bad idea! _______________________________________________________________________ | Edward J. Krall | | | Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation | krall@mcc.com | | 3500 West Balcones Center Drive | (512) 338-3406 | | Austin, Texas 78759-5398 | Fax --> -3600 | | Internal-->http://ncrport.mcc.com/ | | |______________________________________________________|________________| 10-Nov-1995 19:56:45-GMT,3968;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA22738 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:56:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA21860; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:55:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA21810 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:53:00 -0600 Date: 10 Nov 95 14:49:32 EST From: To: Subject: Re: problem with ADA's Clinical Education Series Message-ID: <951110194932_702420.204300_BHD55-59@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: INTERNET:ShaunaR989@aol.com at CSERVE Date: 11/7/95 6:48PM To: E-INK at KCJ Subject: Re: problem with ADA's Clinical Education Series ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============== Begin part 2 ========================== Anyone aware of potential problems with the StyleWriter and Acrobat printing functionality? Please refer to messages below for background... THanks, Rusty Speidel _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: problem with ADA's Clinical Education Series From: INTERNET:ShaunaR989@aol.com at CSERVE Date: 11/7/95 6:48 PM Sender: shaunar989@aol.com Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA13226; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:36:03 -0500 From: Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA12626 for E-INK@kcj.ccmail.compuserve.com; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:36:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:36:00 -0500 Message-ID: <951107183557_15673552@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: E-INK@kcj.ccmail.compuserve.com Subject: Re: problem with ADA's Clinical Education Series Yes, I am using a StyleWriter II. I also forgot to tell you I'm running system 7.5. Shauna Roberts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Are you using a StyleWriter printer driver? I need to regather a little more info before I can ask the right questions.... Thanks, Rusty Speidel ______________________________________________________________________________ _ Subject: problem with ADA's Clinical Education Series From: INTERNET:ShaunaR989@aol.com at CSERVE Date: 11/7/95 11:34 AM Sender: shaunar989@aol.com Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA24692; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:21:04 -0500 From: Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA21600 for e-ink@kcj.ccmail.compuserve.com; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:21:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <951107112046_15200309@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: e-ink@kcj.ccmail.compuserve.com Subject: problem with ADA's Clinical Education Series I am writing to check whether you have had any success yet getting an answer from Adobe about the problem I've been having with the American Diabetes Association's Clinical Education Series on CD-ROM. (Just to refresh your memory: I have a Mac Performa 636CD with 8 Mb installed memory and running RAM Doubler. When I try to print anything from the CD-ROM, even the registration form, the computer bombs and I have to restart.) I tried to get an answer from the Adobe forum on CompuServe, but the tech service person told me he couldn't help because he didn't know much about Macs! I hope you can find an answer to this major problem soon. The CD-ROM is of little use if I can't print out the information I need. Thank you. Shauna Roberts (504) 861-2898 ShaunaR989@aol.com 74721.2016@cis.compuserve.com ============== End part 2 ============================ 10-Nov-1995 20:33:06-GMT,2122;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA23016 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:32:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22111; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:31:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA22067 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:30:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:27:33 -0800 (PST) From: kclarke X-Sender: kclarke@ccnet3 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Screen grabs viewed in the Reader In-Reply-To: <199511100550.XAA17984@grandcanyon.binc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: kclarke On Tue, 07 Nov 95, ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: > The default compression setting for color images is JPEG, which > inherently introduces artifacts into your image. In the case of a > screen-shot, which is not continuous tone, these artifacts are quite > noticeable. In your PDF Writer or Distiller options, change this > compression setting to LZW. That should fix the problem. Is this just for when graphics are _printed out_? What about for screen captures as viewed on screen by the reader? Is there any way to get these to display with their original clarity? What I'm finding is I can print stuff out great. But when it's onscreen in the reader it's at a very low resolution. It makes it hard to use GUI screen captures if they need to have any meaning at all. Does the method you describe (I won't be back at work for a while to try the above, so I'm asking here) improve screen resolution too? Or is that fixed by the reader to be low-res? \|//////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|/ - ====== kclarke@ccnet.com ===== http://www.ccnet.com/~kclarke/ - /|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////////////////////|\ 10-Nov-1995 21:42:36-GMT,2755;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA23577 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22499; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:41:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA22429 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:38:55 -0600 From: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 15:31:07 PST Message-Id: <9510108160.AA816039299@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Screen grabs viewed in the Reader Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com Using LZW compression for color images will retain the clarity of screen captures both on screen and for print. However, the image resolution will always be the same as your screen resolution (usually 72 dpi) -- there's no such thing as a "high-res" screen capture. Therefore, the screen capture will look best when viewed at 100%. If you want to improve the appearance, you might try using Adobe Photoshop or Adobe ScreenReady to add anti-aliasing... - Chris Kirsanoff Adobe Systems Incorporated ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Screen grabs viewed in the Reader Author: kclarke at cc_smtp2 Date: 11/10/95 12:41 PM On Tue, 07 Nov 95, ckirsano@mv.us.adobe.com wrote: > The default compression setting for color images is JPEG, which > inherently introduces artifacts into your image. In the case of a > screen-shot, which is not continuous tone, these artifacts are quite > noticeable. In your PDF Writer or Distiller options, change this > compression setting to LZW. That should fix the problem. Is this just for when graphics are _printed out_? What about for screen captures as viewed on screen by the reader? Is there any way to get these to display with their original clarity? What I'm finding is I can print stuff out great. But when it's onscreen in the reader it's at a very low resolution. It makes it hard to use GUI screen captures if they need to have any meaning at all. Does the method you describe (I won't be back at work for a while to try the above, so I'm asking here) improve screen resolution too? Or is that fixed by the reader to be low-res? \|//////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|/ - ====== kclarke@ccnet.com ===== http://www.ccnet.com/~kclarke/ - /|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////////////////////|\ 12-Nov-1995 19:46:41-GMT,1220;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA05197 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 12:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA00015; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:24:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA32674 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:17:29 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 14:22:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael J. Callahan" X-Sender: mikec@atl1 To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Exchange under NT 3.51 Workstation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Michael J. Callahan" I wanted to install and use Exchange under NT 3.51 Workstation. I keep getting an 'Adobe Type Manager not found' error when I start it. Anyone know what I am not doing/doing wrong? Best regards... ------------------------------- |\/|ike C. -- mikec@america.net *note: insert clever tagline here... 13-Nov-1995 3:24:03-GMT,1670;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA07003 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA01837; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 21:23:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA01752 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 21:21:07 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 21:18:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199511130318.VAA16460@solar.sky.net> X-Sender: brud@sky.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Brud Jones Subject: Importing Bookmarks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brud Jones I have a PDF file that was created with Distiller 1.0 and is 4.7 Meg. I have run it through Distiller 2.0 and it comes out at approx. 1.6 meg which is great. The problem is that there are around 100 bookmarks and Articles already in the 4.7 meg version. Is there any way to get these bookamrks into the new version without retypeing them all. Pasting the PS in the end of the new file? A plug in that has this feature? Thanks for the input! _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@sky.net 13-Nov-1995 9:16:30-GMT,2170;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA09386 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 02:16:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA03639; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:15:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA03597 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:13:57 -0600 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7.MUAS; Relayed; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:11:33 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7; Relayed; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:11:34 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:14:03 -0500 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:11:33 -0500 (EST) From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 Subject: Printing to non-standard page sizes? To: Acrobat Mailing List Message-Id: <4433110913111995/A15079/UKIMS7/119B6A4B2000*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 119B6A4B2000 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;4433110913111995/A15079/UKIMS7] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 We're producing a slightly odd-sized document in FrameMaker (210x165mm, to be precise), which we wish to output as a PDF file. Unfortunately, our PostScript printer driver will only let us specify the usual standard paper sizes, so our .ps file (and hence the PDF file) end up A4-shaped. Now, I know that in the Distiller printer driver, you can set up custom page sizes, but if I choose that as my printer (which I know you're not supposed to do), select one of the custom page sizes and select "print only to file" from the FrameMaker print dialog - nothing happens. Neither the specified filename.ps or a DISTASST.PS file are generated. And we can't use the PDFWriter, because we've got EPS graphics in our document. Any help greatly appreciated. Slainte, Calum Benson, The Usability Group. 13-Nov-1995 14:57:19-GMT,1892;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA10746 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 07:57:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04750; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:55:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA04701 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:53:40 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199511131453.JAA11798@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Exchange under NT 3.51 Workstation To: mikec@america.net (Michael J. Callahan) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:53:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "Michael J. Callahan" at Nov 12, 95 02:22:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I wanted to install and use Exchange under NT 3.51 Workstation. I keep > getting an 'Adobe Type Manager not found' error when I start it. Anyone > know what I am not doing/doing wrong? Which version of Exchange? For NT, you need 2.1. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13-Nov-1995 15:37:29-GMT,1906;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA11076 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05018; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:31:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04977 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:30:37 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:30:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199511131530.AA285136618@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: bnielsen@merle.acns.nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: b-nielsen@nwu.edu (Brian Nielsen) Subject: Memory problem with installing reader? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: b-nielsen@nwu.edu (Brian Nielsen) Has anyone heard of this memory problem before? Any easy fix? Brian Nielsen >Return-Path: >From: cftep@nwu.edu >X-Sender: cft561@anima.nums.nwu.edu (Unverified) >Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 03:30:20 -0600 >X-Ph: V3.12@relay >To: b-nielsen@nwu.edu >Subject: Help with windoows > >. i am having some >trouble loading a program called 'adobe acrobat' onto my computer. I got >the program from the internet and it is for reading the new york times >fax/online edition. > when i try to install the file i get a message that i don't have >enough available memory. we have a pentium computer with 1 gig hard drive >and 16 meg of ram. please let me know if you can help me load this program >or if you know someone who can. (i wrote several times earlier this month >to the 'webmaster' address given on the adobe acrobat homepage on the www >but did not receive an answer.) Thanks. >carol >Carol F. Teplis >Children's Memorial Medical Center >Chicago, IL > > > 13-Nov-1995 18:40:39-GMT,1941;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA13258 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05749; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:39:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05690 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:37:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:35:59 +0800 From: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) Message-Id: <9511131835.AA00848@viva.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, brud@sky.net Subject: Re: Importing Bookmarks X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com (Mark Donohoe) >I have a PDF file that was created with Distiller 1.0 and is 4.7 Meg. I >have run it through Distiller 2.0 and it comes out at approx. 1.6 meg which >is great. The problem is that there are around 100 bookmarks and Articles >already in the 4.7 meg version. Is there any way to get these bookamrks >into the new version without retypeing them all? Well, I thought I needed to write a plugin to do this, but laziness prevailed. It turns out there's a simpler solution. If it's safe to assume that the re-distilling didn't change page contents, number of pages, etc. then here's the approach. Given document A with bookmarks and articles, and A' which is the same file without bookmarks and articles, you want to use the Edit | Pages | Replace menu item from Exchange. You'll replace all pages of A with all pages from A'. This preserves your bookmarks and articles. After all this, you'll need to do a Save As to realize the savings in file size. This should work. Of course I did a simple four page test. If I were you, I'd make sure that I had copies of my files or the ability to regenerate everything easily. Mark 13-Nov-1995 19:16:07-GMT,2444;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA13649 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06039; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:14:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05983 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:13:28 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 13:44:36 PST Message-Id: <9510138162.AA816289170@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Importing Bookmarks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Brud: 1. Open the 1.0 file with Exchange 2.0 or 2.1 and Save As. Now you have a nice clean 2.x file with the links and bookmarks. Leave it open. 2. Open your newly distilled version without the links and bms. 3. Select Thumbnail views. Drag all the thumbnails from the 2.0-Distilled PDF to the Resaved 1.0 PDF so that they do a Replace Pages (the thumbnail icons turn black). This is a brief explanation, but see Exchange-Help for a better one--see Replace Pages. The links and bookmarks will stay _but_ the page contents will be swapped! 4. Do a final "Save As" to consolidate the file. It should be slightly larger than your re-ditilled file without the links. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Importing Bookmarks From: Brud Jones at cc_smtp2 Date: 11/12/95 7:23 PM I have a PDF file that was created with Distiller 1.0 and is 4.7 Meg. I have run it through Distiller 2.0 and it comes out at approx. 1.6 meg which is great. The problem is that there are around 100 bookmarks and Articles already in the 4.7 meg version. Is there any way to get these bookamrks into the new version without retypeing them all. Pasting the PS in the end of the new file? A plug in that has this feature? Thanks for the input! _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@sky.net 13-Nov-1995 20:48:42-GMT,3372;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA14609 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06625; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:46:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06507 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:42:24 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199511132041.PAA19330@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Memory problem with installing reader? To: b-nielsen@nwu.edu (Brian Nielsen) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:41:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: cftep@nwu.edu, pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199511131530.AA285136618@merle.acns.nwu.edu> from "Brian Nielsen" at Nov 13, 95 09:30:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > Has anyone heard of this memory problem before? Any easy fix? > > Brian Nielsen > > >Return-Path: > >From: cftep@nwu.edu > >X-Sender: cft561@anima.nums.nwu.edu (Unverified) > >Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 03:30:20 -0600 > >X-Ph: V3.12@relay > >To: b-nielsen@nwu.edu > >Subject: Help with windoows > > > >. i am having some > >trouble loading a program called 'adobe acrobat' onto my computer. I got > >the program from the internet and it is for reading the new york times > >fax/online edition. > > when i try to install the file i get a message that i don't have > >enough available memory. we have a pentium computer with 1 gig hard drive > >and 16 meg of ram. [. . .] It would be helpful to have a bit more information here. - What amount of memory and system resources are *free*? + From the Windows Program Manager Help menu select "About Program Manager" At the bottom it should list the available memory and system resources available. - How much *conventional* DOS memory is available? + From the Windows Main program group, double-click on "MS-DOS Prompt" to open a DOS window. + From the DOS prompt enter "mem" What does it say for "Largest executable program size"? + From the DOS prompt, enter "exit" to close the DOS Window. - How much disk space is free? + From the Windows Main program group, double-click on "File Manager" + If necessary, click the icon along the top for your hard drive (typcially "c"). In the lower left corner of the window it should show how much disk space is free. My guess is that you're low on conventional DOS memory, but it's difficult know without additional information. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14-Nov-1995 1:26:38-GMT,1271;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA17186 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA07663; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:25:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA07602 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:23:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:22:23 +1000 Message-Id: <199511140122.LAA28756@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Library Systems Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Does anyone have experience using Adobe Acrobat within a library environment. That is to say for cataloging and in a dynamic way for viewing records of who borrowed what and when is it due back. Cheers Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 14-Nov-1995 12:37:10-GMT,1233;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA21453 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 05:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA11494; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 06:36:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA11442 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 06:33:14 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:24:08 +0100 Message-Id: <0a88ccf0@ccintergate.novo.dk> From: POHA@novo.dk (POHA) Subject: "controlled copy" printing/Banner Print To: PDF-L@emrg.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: POHA@novo.dk (POHA) Has anyone corporate experience with this plug-in (found on http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html) ? It sounds very interesting, but as far as I can see it requires Exchange on each client. Would it be possible to make a similar solution integrated with the free Acroreader ? kind regards Poul Erik 14-Nov-1995 16:47:41-GMT,1370;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA23299 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:46:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13182; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:45:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA13131 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:43:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199511141631.QAA26732@aps.org> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 11:42:38 -0500 From: markp@aps.org (Mark Pheffer) To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: owner-pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net's message of Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:50:07 -0600 <199511140550.XAA09147@grandcanyon.binc.net> Subject: PDF-DIGEST for November-13-95 [V1 #82] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: markp@aps.org (Mark Pheffer) Hi, Does anyone know if Adobe is planning to release a version of Acrobat Reader for Linux. ############################################################ Mark T. Pheffer Senior Technical Projects Specialist The American Physical Society 500 Sunnyside Blvd. e-mail: markp@aps.org Woodbury, NY 11797-2999 phone: 516-576-2369 ############################################################ 14-Nov-1995 17:06:45-GMT,1570;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA23578 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA13415; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:05:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13364 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:04:25 -0600 From: "Gilbert, Len" To: PDF Mailing List Subject: RE: "controlled copy" printing/Banner Print Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 09:04:00 PST Message-Id: <30A8CC70@msgate.integralsys.com> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Gilbert, Len" I just have the demo version. It seems cool, if you need that kind of printing capability. I tried it with Reader v2.1 and it was not recognized as a plug-in. You should contact the developer about creating a Reader-compatible version. -L >:-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >: >: Has anyone corporate experience with this plug-in (found on >: http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html) ? >: >: It sounds very interesting, but as far as I can see it requires >: Exchange on each client. Would it be possible to make a similar >: solution integrated with the free Acroreader ? >: >: kind regards >: >: Poul Erik >: 14-Nov-1995 17:25:56-GMT,1946;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA23758 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA13756; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:24:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA13650 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:22:40 -0600 From: "GEORGE BRANDSBERG" Organization: KSU ESARP and AG To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:21:26 CST6CDT Subject: Printing to PostScript WordPerfect files Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.2 (pr2) Message-ID: <63764F4EFC@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "GEORGE BRANDSBERG" Hi, I just joined the list and need help. I have a WordPerfect 6.0/6.1 document that I tried printing with the .pdf Writer and, being a complex document, it had formatting problems (extra space to the left of the righthand-most character in the justified columns). So I tried printing it to PostScript and then Distilling, but the outcome with either an HP-4M 600 PostScript driver or an Apple LaserWriterII NTX driver won't distill. I get the message "Not Windows PostScript file." This is a straight black-and- white pub, no color. I'm assuming I need a different PostScript printer driver? Any suggestions, including where to download it? Thanks in advance for your help. --George ========================================================== George Brandsberg gbrandsb@oz.oznet.ksu.edu Electronic Publishing Specialist 308 Umberger Hall Kansas State University voice: 913-532-1147 Manhattan, KS 66506-3402 U.S.A fax: 913-532-6458 ========================================================== 14-Nov-1995 18:47:39-GMT,3807;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA24874 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:47:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA14402; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:45:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA14351 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:43:31 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Mirko Janc" To: PDF-L@emrg.com cc: jcook@emrg.com, ckirsanov@mv.us.adobe.com, mdonohoe@mv.us.adobe.com, babcock@mv.us.adobe.com, gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Rule thickness in PDF Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Dr. Mirko Janc" I was experimenting with Distiller to get high quality output as for example 1200dpi (as it should be possible according to the philosophy of the PDF format). With downloading proper Type 1 fonts and turning of the downsampling, jpeg compression etc, most things work fine, but there is a black box about the THICKNESS OF RULES. Setting up TeX files containing thin rules from 0.1 pt up in steps of 0.1 pt (TeX's true printer points at 72.27 for an inch) and then analyzing the ASCII version of PDF I found out that the "w" operator -- PDF counterpart of "setlinewidth" does a very rough job at 144dpi and I don't know how to affect this default behavior. Even worse, it does not rounding to the closest Adobe half-point (which would better reflect the chosen 144dpi), but truncates the value, so that rules from 0.1pt up to 0.5pt (= 0.498 Adobe points, so still under 0.5) all get w=0. The default behavior of PostScript interpreters in the printers makes out of this still a one pixel layer, which is not too bad at 300dpi, but is terrible at the "quality' 1200dpi. Rules from 0.6pt up to 1.0pt get w=0.5, etc. What I am dealing with -- the most complex math typesetting in TeX with arbitrary fonts (not only Computer Modern) -- uses large amount of rules (as in fractions, overlines etc.---besides the usual uses of rules) and the distilled result is unfortunately poor. I have a feeling that there is an "easy" parameter to affect this, but I could not manage to find it. Some other problems encountered: - Partial Downloading of the fonts works normally only if up to 12 characters from the font are used. Otherwise, the whole font is embedded. Though, there is an undocumented parameter that can help cure it (in my experience very helpful). I wonder if this will be explained in more detail in future rel;eases of documentation. - When typesetting in Times I use more often the so-called Dutch (Bitstream version of Times) and when distilling a PostScript file with option to substitute with the Multiple Master font, the Distiller "recognized" Dutch Italic as MMSansSerif Italic!!! The very idea of saving on the file size by not including the "Standard" text fonts was crashed immediately. - In the latest version of Adobe PostScript Printer Driver for Windows among plethora of PPD's there is no one for the now very popular Lexmark 1200 dpi Optra printer, to take advantage of all the HiRes capabilities of PDF (supposing the Problem of Rules having solved). =========================================== Dr. Mirko Janc Technical Typesetting Inc. 1510 Caton Center Drive, Suite E Baltimore, Maryland 21227 ------------------------------------------- Phone: (410) 247-8717; Fax: (410) 247-6621 Home phone (410) 987-1822 Email: mjanc@clark.net ========================================== 15-Nov-1995 0:02:42-GMT,1035;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA29246 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:02:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA16072; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:00:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA15971 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:54:33 -0600 Date: 14 Nov 95 18:52:12 EST From: To: Subject: Reader 2.1 and User Bookmarks Message-ID: <951114235211_702420.204300_BHD59-17@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Everyone, 1) Does the new Reader 2.1 allow end users to add their own bookmarks and notes? 2) If I am building a CD-ROM for a customer using Acrobat, can I arrange to have Adobe support the product directly for a fee? Thanks, Rusty Speidel 15-Nov-1995 0:15:23-GMT,1437;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA29358 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:15:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA16275; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:14:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA16220 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:12:21 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 14 Nov 1995 18:09:05 -0600 From: "Brian Bezanson" Subject: Re: Reader 2.1 and User Book To: pdf-l@emrg.com, "Rusty_Speidel@kcj.ccmail.compu" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Brian Bezanson" Re: RE>Reader 2.1 and User Bookmarks >1) Does the new Reader 2.1 allow end users to add their own bookmarks and notes? No >2) If I am building a CD-ROM for a customer using Acrobat, can I arrange to have >Adobe support the product directly for a fee? No here too. Acrobat Reader is designed to be support free or the user can look at the online resources for help. The only user problems with Acrobat Reader should be installation. Reader 2.1 fixed most install problems and the program comes with a good built in help system. Brian 15-Nov-1995 11:16:25-GMT,2559;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA13858 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 04:16:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA20376; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:15:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA20319 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:13:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199511151113.FAA21480@glacier.binc.net> To: POHA cc: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: "controlled copy" printing/Banner Print In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 14 Nov 95 13:24:08 +0100. <0a88ccf0@ccintergate.novo.dk> X-Organisation: Electronic Publishing Research Group, Dept of Computer Science, X-Organisation: University of Nottingham, England X-Phone: (+44) 115 9514230 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 11:09:33 +0000 From: David R Evans Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David R Evans As one of the developers of Banner Print for The Plug-in Shop I can enlighten you a bit on this. Since Banner Print needs to create modified PDF documents it would not be possible to use it with Reader. Banner Print achieves controlled copy printing with Acrobat by using Acrobat's standard security mechanism with a (secret) security password on the document. The banner to be applied is set with either the Document Controller or Document Supervisor plug-ins, which add the banner information as data in the PDF file, turn off printing capability for the document, and set the security password. A normal user can view the document with any Acrobat Reader or Exchange. As printing is turned off it is not possible to print using the normal Print menu item. Instead, you must have Exchange with the (Banner Print) Document Reader plug-in which adds a Banner Print menu item. This generates a temporary PDF document with the banner text across it (e.g. `Uncontrolled copy') and then calls the standard print dialogue. I hope that this makes things clearer. Regards David ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9860048 Merlin Open Systems (+44) 115 9514230 (direct) P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@cs.nott.ac.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~dre/merlin/ NG2 1LJ, UK Specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software 15-Nov-1995 11:37:00-GMT,1478;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA13923 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 04:36:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA20600; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:35:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA20551 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:35:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:34:57 +1000 Message-Id: <199511151134.VAA03901@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Dropping links Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater We've had a devils own job with some pdf pages that we're trying to link together and feed from a web page. The route is Home Page to pdf to pdf to pdf to Web page. Links drop/disappear all together. Anyone have any ideas? The other thing is when we go from pdf to web page reader remains open, is there a way of reader automatically closing as you leave via linking to a web page? Or am I asking too much? Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 15-Nov-1995 12:26:45-GMT,1695;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA14129 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA20904; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:25:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA20851 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:24:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199511151223.GAA19912@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 12:17:46 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Reader plug-ins etc. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford Further to David Evans's recent mailing (and following up on all the other correspondence on the lines of "can we get a plug in for Reader, as opposed to Exchange, that allows banner print/ own yellow stickers/ own hyperlinks etc. to be added to PDF docts.) -- the global answer is "no". The recently announced Reader plug-ins program will not allow anything that rewrites the cross-reference table at the bottom of the PDF file. This in turn means that any increase or decrease in the number of objects in the PDF file (extra/fewer links, extra banners etc) will not be allowed. The reasoning behind this is not too hard to discern. If such machinations *were* allowed, some smart entrepreneur could write a plug-in which, when added to the Reader, would restore it to full Exchange functionality (for example) and probably at a price that could affect Adobe's market for Exchange very severely ... :-) David Brailsford 15-Nov-1995 18:15:34-GMT,1193;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA16914 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA22288; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:13:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA22231 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:10:55 -0600 From: jyocum@mail2.lmi.org Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 13:09:26 EST Message-Id: <9510158164.AA816469890@mail2.lmi.org> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat Capability Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jyocum@mail2.lmi.org I have recently purchased a copy of Exchange 2.1 and have been trying to become familiar with its capabilities. When I try to create Bookmarks, I find that I cannot get the full set of "edit" options. For example, the "edit>bookmark>new" (as described in the user manual) is not available as an option. I'm running Windows for Workgroups on a PC. Is there a version of the Exchange made for Windows for Workgroups? 15-Nov-1995 19:24:37-GMT,1017;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA17806 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:24:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA22654; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:22:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA22577 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:18:42 -0600 Date: 15 Nov 95 14:16:09 EST From: To: Subject: Automated Hyperlink Plug-in? Message-ID: <951115191608_702420.204300_BHD59-23@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Anyone out there building or aware of a plug-in for Exchange that will allow me to automate hyperlink generation using styles or some other identifier? I know there is a TOC generator... Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing 16-Nov-1995 6:27:52-GMT,2186;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA27094 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA27204; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 00:26:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA27070 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 00:20:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199511160620.AAA03021@falcon.inetnebr.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 00:20:14 +0008 Subject: Dear Santa... Reply-to: snake@inetnebr.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" Pardon this inquiry, however: 1. I'm in need of a PC program (DOS or Windows, doesn't matter) that will load and print a PDF with a minimum of human interaction. It doesn't need to display the PDF, just print each page, one copy. Ideally, I'd like the program to run straight from diskette (ie, it doesn't have to be installed). 2. At the same time, I'd like to find a program that displays a PDF in full-screen view and supports paging with a mouse click or arrow key. It doesn't need to print. Again, it needs to run strictly from a diskette. Ideally, either program should be less than 500k. Am I dreaming, or do you know where I might find these? BTW, I do have a question for folks using PM5/6 or Persausion for creating PDFs. It is related to getting landscape documents into PDF so they look normal without rotating them. I've tried using an image setter driver to create a PS file, but whenever I try to "trick" PM or PR into thinking it has a custom paper size that would work, these programs just toggle the values to fit the orientation. Spiffy. Anybody have a suggestion? Thanks in advance! ==============:>~ Kent 'Snake' Tegels, CLU, ChFC, FLMI/M, ACS http://www.inetnebr.com/incolor/snake 16-Nov-1995 13:34:31-GMT,1269;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA04554 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 06:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA28473; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:33:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28406 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:30:45 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:32:24 EST Subject: SDK 2.1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <164761E3073@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Does anyone have the 2.1 software developers kit yet? Has anyone heard about availability of this? I was told it would be made available on-line to Adobe developers. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 16-Nov-1995 21:24:26-GMT,1185;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA09504 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA30306; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:22:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA30256 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:20:09 -0600 Message-Id: <9511162120.AA20461@mmm.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v118.3) In-Reply-To: <164761E3073@agsadmin.ags.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) From: Mark Doyle Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 14:20:04 -0700 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Availability of 2.1 Distiller for Unix References: <164761E3073@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mark Doyle Hi, Anyone know when this is supposed to ship? I tried calling Adobe, but gave up after a few transfers and being on hold forever. Specifically, we would like HP/UX, but we will take Sun/Sparc as well. Thanks, Mark 16-Nov-1995 21:57:46-GMT,2031;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA09838 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:57:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA30635; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:56:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA30566 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:54:15 -0600 From: paciello@shane.ENET.dec.com Message-Id: <9511162141.AA28137@us2rmc.zko.dec.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 16:43:34 EST To: pdf-l@emrg.com Apparently-To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Invitation to Participate in Accessibility Workshop at WWW Conference Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: paciello@shane.ENET.dec.com Hi: I will be conducting a one-day workshop as part of the Fourth International World Wide Web Conference in Boston on December 11th at the Copley Marriot. The theme of the workshop is: Web Accessibility for People with Disabilities. Naturally, all of the issues surrounding the inaccessibility of PDF and Acrobat and the recent announcement of the ADOBE accessibility plans, provide the ideal forum for this discussion. Please accept this as my cordial invitation to participate in this exciting event. I still have 3-4 more openings. I am allowed to invite 15-20 persons. If you are interested in participating in this workshop, please contact me at: paciello@shane.enet.dec.com or mpaciello@webable.com. Additionally, you will find more information about the workshop at: http://www.webable.com/w4conf.html Information specific to the World Wide Web Conference can be found at: http://www.w3.org/hypertext/Conference/WWW4 Regards, Mike Paciello -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| Michael G. Paciello Paciello@shane.enet.dec.com Usability Expertise Center Phone: (603) 881-1831 (w) 17-Nov-1995 1:58:43-GMT,2631;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA12141 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:58:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA31638; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:57:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA31567 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:55:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 18:14:31 From: "kschmidtmann" Message-Id: <9510168165.AA816574471@buckaroo.buckaroo.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Subject: Re: Automated Hyperlink Plug-in? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "kschmidtmann" Rusty: At Software Partners we are working on two tools that automate Table of Contents construction. One for the Internal Revenue Service that builds TOC links to separate PDF files. A companion utility populates these information fields from values in a flat file. We also are working on a tool that builds TOCs from within the same PDF file. Give me a call next week for more details. Karl Schmidtmann kschmidtmann@buckaroo.com 804-984-5500 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Automated Hyperlink Plug-in? Author: at Internet Date: 11/15/95 2:16 PM Received: by ccmail Received: from netcomsv by buckaroo.com (UUPC/extended 1.11) with UUCP; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:33:25 PST Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by netcomsv.netcom.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/SMI -4.1) id LAA22445; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:23:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6 .9) with SMTP id NAA22608; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:19:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA 22577 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:18:42 -0600 Date: 15 Nov 95 14:16:09 EST From: X-ccAdmin: postmaster@netcomsv To: Subject: Automated Hyperlink Plug-in? Message-ID: <951115191608_702420.204300_BHD59-23@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Anyone out there building or aware of a plug-in for Exchange that will allow me to automate hyperlink generation using styles or some other identifier? I know there is a TOC generator... Thanks, Rusty Speidel KCJ Publishing 17-Nov-1995 17:37:21-GMT,1444;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA17863 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02974; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:31:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA02881 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:26:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 09:23:21 PST From: "Alexander, Larry" Encoding: 18 Text Message-Id: <9510178166.AA816629132@clink.acad.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-16-95 [V1 #85] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Alexander, Larry" >Anyone out there building or aware of a plug-in for Exchange that will allow me >to automate hyperlink generation using styles or some other identifier? I know >there is a TOC generator... > >Thanks, >Rusty Speidel >KCJ Publishing Rusty, There is a product called Composer from a company called SW Partners which is a plug-in for Exchange that can automatically generate bookmarks based on features of the text such as font family and size. For example, all chapter heads can be automatically entered into bookmarks to build TOCs. I believe they're in N. CA. Perhaps someone else knows their phone/address? Larry Alexander 17-Nov-1995 23:56:45-GMT,2541;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA21729 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:56:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04503; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:51:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA04424 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:48:22 -0600 Date: 17 Nov 95 18:45:41 EST From: To: , Subject: Re[2]: PDF-DIGEST for November-16-95 [V1 ?85] Message-ID: <951117234540_702420.204300_BHD41-6@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Don't need bookmarks, need HYPERLINKS. We're gonna buy Composer for sure, but that's only 50% of the puzzle... _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-16-95 [V1 ?85] From: INTERNET:lalexander@acad.com at CSERVE Date: 11/17/95 12:50 PM Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA19280; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:29:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02915; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:28:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA02881 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:26:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 09:23:21 PST From: "Alexander, Larry" Encoding: 18 Text Message-Id: <9510178166.AA816629132@clink.acad.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-16-95 [V1 #85] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Alexander, Larry" >Anyone out there building or aware of a plug-in for Exchange that will allow me >to automate hyperlink generation using styles or some other identifier? I know >there is a TOC generator... > >Thanks, >Rusty Speidel >KCJ Publishing Rusty, There is a product called Composer from a company called SW Partners which is a plug-in for Exchange that can automatically generate bookmarks based on features of the text such as font family and size. For example, all chapter heads can be automatically entered into bookmarks to build TOCs. I believe they're in N. CA. Perhaps someone else knows their phone/address? Larry Alexander 18-Nov-1995 3:10:02-GMT,3068;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA22804 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:09:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA05498; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 21:09:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA05406 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 21:06:41 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:57:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199511180057.QAA19726@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: PDF-DIGEST for November-16-95 [V1 ?85] To: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <951117234540_702420.204300_BHD41-6@CompuServe.COM> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com You may want to contact Alliant Techsystems -- they have a product called "InfoLinker" that should be of interest to you. EMail --> Bob Radtke, Technology Manager rradtke@ATK.com Good luck. Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 17 Nov 95, wrote: >Don't need bookmarks, need HYPERLINKS. We're gonna buy Composer for sure, but >that's only 50% of the puzzle... >_____________________________________________________________________ __________ >Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-16-95 [V1 ?85] >From: INTERNET:lalexander@acad.com at CSERVE >Date: 11/17/95 12:50 PM > >Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net >Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by arl-img-1.compuserve.com >(8.6.10/5.950515) > id MAA19280; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:29:02 -0500 >Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net >(8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02915; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:28:41 -0600 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id >LAA02881 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:26:27 -0600 >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 09:23:21 PST >From: "Alexander, Larry" >Encoding: 18 Text >Message-Id: <9510178166.AA816629132@clink.acad.com> >To: pdf-l@emrg.com >Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-16-95 [V1 #85] >Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com >Precedence: bulk >X-Sender: "Alexander, Larry" > >>Anyone out there building or aware of a plug-in for Exchange that will allow >me >>to automate hyperlink generation using styles or some other identifier? I >know >>there is a TOC generator... >> >>Thanks, >>Rusty Speidel >>KCJ Publishing > >Rusty, > >There is a product called Composer from a company called SW Partners which >is a plug-in for Exchange that can automatically generate bookmarks based >on features of the text such as font family and size. For example, all >chapter heads can be automatically entered into bookmarks to build TOCs. I >believe they're in N. CA. Perhaps someone else knows their phone/address? > >Larry Alexander > > > > 19-Nov-1995 18:14:58-GMT,1633;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA02535 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:14:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA17656; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:10:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA17454 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:00:51 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:11:17 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: 10 FREE Acrobat plugins from Adobe Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss We have added a link from the EMERGE home page (http://www.emrg.com) to 10 freely downloadable plugins to enhance the functionality of Adobe Acrobat, posted yesterday by Adobe. The following plug-ins, with detailed descriptions, are now available: * WebLink Plug-In * SuperPrefs Plug-In * SuperCrop Plug-In * AutoClose Plug-In * AutoIndex Plug-In * OLE Server Plug-In * Monitor Setup Plug-In * EPS Links * PDF Type Utility Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 Email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 20-Nov-1995 22:10:43-GMT,914;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA13123 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:10:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24635; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:10:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA24530 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:05:19 -0600 From: Rob_Carver@BayNetworks.COM (Rob Carver) Reply-To: Rob_Carver@BayNetworks.COM To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Fwd: PDF-DIGEST for November-19-95 [V1 #87] Date: 20 Nov 1995 21:55:34 GMT Message-Id: <231862238.9272394@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Rob_Carver@BayNetworks.COM (Rob Carver) Of course ........... //Rob 21-Nov-1995 1:17:27-GMT,1732;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA14942 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:17:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25635; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:18:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA25574 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:16:43 -0600 From: Gernot Huber To: pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: Gernot Huber Subject: one blank page in distilled doc Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 17:15:00 P Message-ID: <30B1281E@hamachi> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Gernot Huber I need help with the following strange problem: I am distilling a PS file created from a Frame 5 book on a Mac. When I distill it (with Distiller 2.0 for Windows), the page following the TOC (which is typed, not generated) comes out either mostly or completely blank. Sometimes a little text remains on the top part of the page, but every time I generate a new PS file and re-distill, a different area remains visible. The visible section is always only a part of a text frame, never a whole one. The text that is gone really doesn't seem to be there, because I can't select it with the text tool if I drag it over a part of the page that is blank but which should contain text. BTW, it doesn't matter which page follows the TOC, it's always the page after the TOC, no matter how many pages are in the TOC or which doc follows the TOC. Gernot Huber EPR, Inc. I am stumped. 21-Nov-1995 2:15:12-GMT,1334;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA15282 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA26148; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:15:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA26082 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:14:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199511210217.LAA21868@gol1.gol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:04:54 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-List) Subject: Why do I have to "print" in reverse page order? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) I'm fairly happily producing PDF files from PageMaker 5.0 document files using the Distiller, but I've noticed that in order to have the PDF file begin on page 1, I have to specify that the pages print in REVERSE order. Why should this be? If I just print with the normal defaults the PDF display starts on page 4 (of a 4-page document). Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 21-Nov-1995 8:13:08-GMT,1707;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA17755 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA28149; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:12:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA28070 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:09:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199511211010.AA02628@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: sarunas@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:07:05 +0200 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: sarunas@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas Burdulis) Subject: [Q] Lost characters in pdf X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sarunas@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas Burdulis) Hello, has anybody found an efficient solution for the following problem with the Distiller? (This is also with the hope for a response from Adobe people) We are distilling PS files generated by the dvips from TEX/DVI. In some instances, characters, located at the position 32 in TeX fonts, do not show up in the resulting PDF. A Greek lowercase \psi from the cmmi font is a classical example. 1. Is this a bug in the Distiller? If so, is it corrected in a new version shipping with Acrobat Pro 2.1? 2. How can one overcome this problem (some undocumented distillerparams maybe...), except of editing the PS file manually? The latter breaks the automated conversion route TEX->DVI->PS->PDF and increases the production cost. Thanks in advance, Sarunas @ VTEX Typesetting Services 22-Nov-1995 1:40:04-GMT,1914;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA26987 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA31954; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:39:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA31858 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:33:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199511220138.KAA17842@gol1.gol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:24:47 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-List) Subject: Problems with Acrobat 2.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) I have just installed Acrobat 2.1 as a "helper" application in Netscape 1.2. I noted from the readme.txt file that it doesn't need to install ATM (but didn't worry about this because I do have ATM installed, admittedly an earlier version than the latest). I am not interested in running a beta version of Netscape 2.0, so I hope a solution doesn't involve moving to that. The first time I tried to read a PDF file from a web site, the file was downloaded completely and the first page of Acrobat 2.1 came up, then the brief message "ATM not found." Then Acrobat closed down. What might I be doing wrong? The platform is an ageing PC 486-33MHz I use at home. I have no problem with Acrobat 2.0 on the Pentium at the office. I got Acrobat 2.0 with the Acrobat Pro package and intended to upgrade to 2.1 after downloading the latter last night. Now I think I'll wait until I get some replies from list-members. Thanks in advance, Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 22-Nov-1995 7:41:17-GMT,3013;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA29983 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01616; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:40:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA01558 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:38:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:35:26 +0000 (N) From: Frank Holzwarth Subject: Re: [Q] Lost characters in pdf To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: <01HXXRG2B5PE0005K8@vax.ntp.springer.de> X-VMS-To: IN%"pdf-l@emrg.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Frank Holzwarth sarunas@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas Burdulis) wrote on Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:07:05 > Subject: [Q] Lost characters in pdf > > Hello, > > has anybody found an efficient solution for the following > problem with the Distiller? > (This is also with the hope for a response from Adobe people) > > We are distilling PS files generated by the dvips from TEX/DVI. > In some instances, characters, located at the position 32 in TeX > fonts, do not show up in the resulting PDF. A Greek lowercase \psi > from the cmmi font is a classical example. > > 1. Is this a bug in the Distiller? > If so, is it corrected in a new version shipping with > Acrobat Pro 2.1? > > 2. How can one overcome this problem (some undocumented > distillerparams maybe...), except of editing the PS > file manually? The latter breaks the automated conversion > route TEX->DVI->PS->PDF and increases the production > cost. Hi there, I'm sorry this is a "me too", not an answer to the question :-( We too recently experienced some blank characters in PDF files produced via TeX/DVI -> PS -> PDF. Astonishing is the fact that most of the pages that suffer from that phenomenon will print out fine from the reader - most of them, not all. Will the ATM representations be used for printing (I have installed all TeX fonts available in the ATM) and not the embedded fonts? To clarify things a bit: TeX compliant PS fonts have glyphs also at font positions 0 to 32 and they are accessed via change of the encoding vector. These special fonts are embedded in the PS file and do print like a charm. Distilling is also no problem. We have missing characters also from other positions in the special area (0-32). The effect will increase if you open more than one document. Suddenly pages that worked well before show blank positions. Is this a memory problem (no warning or error message appears though)? Rather helples, Frank Holzwarth e-mail Internet: HOLZWARTH@VAX.NTP.SPRINGER.DE Springer-Verlag Dept. New Technologies/Product Development Tiergartenstrasse 17 D-69121 Heidelberg FRG 22-Nov-1995 14:42:35-GMT,3104;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA01734 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA03757; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:42:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA03671 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:38:40 -0600 Date: 22 Nov 95 09:36:05 EST From: To: , Subject: Re: Problems with Acrobat 2.1 Message-ID: <951122143604_702420.204300_BHD45-42@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: I have never had luck matching an older version of ATM font database with Acrobat. It's always a good idea to get the latest version of ATM. There is also a WIN_ATM flag somewhere (can't remember where--can someone help?) that needs to be set to ON. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Problems with Acrobat 2.1 From: INTERNET:roger@gol.com at CSERVE Date: 11/21/95 8:37 PM Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA23520; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:36:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA31890; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:35:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA31858 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:33:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199511220138.KAA17842@gol1.gol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:24:47 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: pdf-l@emrg.com (PDF-List) Subject: Problems with Acrobat 2.1 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) I have just installed Acrobat 2.1 as a "helper" application in Netscape 1.2. I noted from the readme.txt file that it doesn't need to install ATM (but didn't worry about this because I do have ATM installed, admittedly an earlier version than the latest). I am not interested in running a beta version of Netscape 2.0, so I hope a solution doesn't involve moving to that. The first time I tried to read a PDF file from a web site, the file was downloaded completely and the first page of Acrobat 2.1 came up, then the brief message "ATM not found." Then Acrobat closed down. What might I be doing wrong? The platform is an ageing PC 486-33MHz I use at home. I have no problem with Acrobat 2.0 on the Pentium at the office. I got Acrobat 2.0 with the Acrobat Pro package and intended to upgrade to 2.1 after downloading the latter last night. Now I think I'll wait until I get some replies from list-members. Thanks in advance, Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 22-Nov-1995 16:37:00-GMT,1588;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA02748 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:36:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04370; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:36:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA04315 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:32:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:31:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199511221631.RAA13979@chleuasme.francenet.fr> X-Sender: danelec@dialup.francenet.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: danelec@danel.fr (DANEL ELECTRONIC) Subject: Developing plug-in with SDK plug-in Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: danelec@danel.fr (DANEL ELECTRONIC) Hello, I want to design plug-ins for Acrobat Exchange with Acrobat Plug-ins SDK. 1) What is the best C compiler ? Is it Visual C++ ? 2) Where can I find informations like source code on developing plug-ins for Acrobat? 3) I am looking to develope a form filler as a plug-in to Acrobat. I would like to know roughly what time it would take to develope such a module? - For a Designer form plug-in (to add fields on a PDF page) - For a Fillin form plug-in (to fill those fields) 4) Has anybody done such a plug-in and would like to licence it to me? Thank you and best regards to all... Xavier LANGLOIS Project Manager danelec@danel.fr 22-Nov-1995 17:17:00-GMT,1097;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA03229 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:16:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04700; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:16:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04649 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:15:18 -0600 Date: 22 Nov 95 12:11:58 EST From: To: Subject: New Exchange LE pricing Message-ID: <951122171157_702420.204300_BHD45-3@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Anyone know what it's going to cost to put Acrobat Exchange on a CD-ROM with the new version? Will that even be possible? I need to be able to provide notes and annotation capabilities for a customer at a reasonable price, and since the Reader 2.1 doesn't support squat, the only option seems to be Envoy... 22-Nov-1995 21:30:49-GMT,3108;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA06637 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:30:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06525; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:30:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06387 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:26:52 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 13:26:00 PST Message-Id: <9510228170.AA817075513@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: danelec@danel.fr (DANEL ELECTRONIC), PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Developing plug-in with SDK plug-in Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Xavier: 1. Exchange Plug-ins can be developed with Think C++ and Metrowerks (for Power Mac) on Macintosh, Visual C++ on PC. 2. The Acrobat Plug-in SDK includes lots of sample source code. 3. See 4. Don't reinvent the wheel! 4. From Emerge's Plug-in area on www.emrg.com: "TRANZFORM -- Developed by Vertec, TranZform is advanced electronic forms software that enhances the creation of interactive documents from Acrobat PDF files using any system or application software. TranZform is made up of two separate modules - Definer and Fillin - that are easy to use and entirely open to various computer systems. Definer provides the ability to actually create a useable form - from building and defining specific field characteristics such as complex formulas, alphanumeric, currency, check box, etc. to configuring specific properties such as box outline, text colors, and text alignment. Fillin is then used to input data, exactly as specified by Definer. Once the form has been filled in, you can save it, print it, or transfer it as a computerized form to another Acrobat user. A demo version (for Windows) (1,370k) is available for downloading: http://www.emrg.com/trzfrm.zip" Of course they would be delighted to license it to you. Download the file mentioned above and its accompanying information for phone numbers and info. Also take a look at the Emerge website for more p-i info. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Developing plug-in with SDK plug-in From: danelec@danel.fr (DANEL ELECTRONIC) at cc_smtp2 Date: 11/22/95 9:29 AM Hello, I want to design plug-ins for Acrobat Exchange with Acrobat Plug-ins SDK. 1) What is the best C compiler ? Is it Visual C++ ? 2) Where can I find informations like source code on developing plug-ins for Acrobat? 3) I am looking to develope a form filler as a plug-in to Acrobat. I would like to know roughly what time it would take to develope such a module? - For a Designer form plug-in (to add fields on a PDF page) - For a Fillin form plug-in (to fill those fields) 4) Has anybody done such a plug-in and would like to licence it to me? Thank you and best regards to all... Xavier LANGLOIS Project Manager danelec@danel.fr 22-Nov-1995 21:31:14-GMT,2817;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA06656 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06523; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:30:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06356 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:26:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199511222125.AA03505@vnet.net> To: PDF-List Subject: Re: Developing plug-in with SDK plug-in Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 16:25:25 -0500 From: Brian Sobus X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brian Sobus -- [ From: Brian Sobus * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- Subject: Re: Developing plug-in with SDK plug-in PDFers, FYI, I work for VerTec. Just thought I'd let you know before you read on. > I want to design plug-ins for Acrobat Exchange with Acrobat Plug-ins SDK. > > 1) What is the best C compiler ? > Is it Visual C++ ? Knowing how passionate people are about their compilers, I'm not even going to touch this one. > 2) Where can I find information like source code on developing plug-ins for > Acrobat? Through the Adobe Developer's Association. > 3) I am looking to develop a form filler as a plug-in to Acrobat. > I would like to know roughly what time it would take to develop such a > module? It took us about 3-4 person years to build what you are talking about. > - For a Designer form plug-in (to add fields on a PDF page) > - For a Fillin form plug-in (to fill those fields) > > 4) Has anybody done such a plug-in and would like to license it to me? Yes, VerTec Solutions, Inc. has developed a plug-in to Adobe Acrobat called TranZform. It is two modules, Fillin and Definer. A demo copy of the current release can be downloaded from merge's web site (http://www.emrg.com) or from our CServe forum(GO ZZZZ). As to licensing, we would be happy to talk with you. Just give us a call at (910) 855-9555 or send e-mail to us at vertec@vnet.net. > Thank you and best regards to all... > > > Xavier LANGLOIS > Project Manager > > danelec@danel.fr > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- Hope this answers your questions. Regards, Brian -- ========================================= VerTec Solutions, Inc. Beyond Innovation Call (910) 855-9555 for Sales Information And Tech Support ========================================= ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- -- ========================================= VerTec Solutions, Inc. Beyond Innovation Call (910) 855-9555 for Sales Information And Tech Support ========================================= 22-Nov-1995 22:40:30-GMT,1452;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA07471 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:40:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07178; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:40:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07127 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:38:56 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: Brian Sobus , PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:41:09 EST Subject: Re: Developing plug-in with SDK plug-in Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <1FD9FAD4EB6@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Brian - Is it possible to link the field data to the Acrobat Search engine? We are interested in pull down menus and button fields that allow the user to select search data. When the user clicks a button that says "Search", the data would be sent (from the form) to the Acrobat Search. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 23-Nov-1995 8:55:46-GMT,1548;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA13648 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:55:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA10262; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 02:55:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA10200 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 02:51:52 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 18:36:29 PST Message-Id: <9510238171.AA817119253@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: jyocum@mail2.lmi.org, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Acrobat Capability Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Make sure you have Full Menus showing under the Edit menu. Srort Menus would hide the editing portions of Exchange's functionality. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Acrobat Capability From: jyocum@mail2.lmi.org at cc_smtp Date: 11/15/95 1:09 PM I have recently purchased a copy of Exchange 2.1 and have been trying to become familiar with its capabilities. When I try to create Bookmarks, I find that I cannot get the full set of "edit" options. For example, the "edit>bookmark>new" (as described in the user manual) is not available as an option. I'm running Windows for Workgroups on a PC. Is there a version of the Exchange made for Windows for Workgroups? 23-Nov-1995 15:00:48-GMT,2891;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA14619 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 08:00:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11311; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:00:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA11235 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 08:57:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199511231655.AA11433@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: sarunas@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:52:29 +0200 To: Frank Holzwarth From: sarunas@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas Burdulis) Subject: Re: [Q] Lost characters in pdf Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sarunas@ktl.mii.lt (Sarunas Burdulis) Hello, and thanks for everybody who replied. I didn't do a lot of testing yet, but the "code-32" characters which were missing on Reader 2.0 screens are now correctly displayed by the Reader v2.1. We do not have the new version of Exchange so far. For both version 2.0 and 2.1 the screen and the prined output were identical: when characters were missing on screen they also were missing on the paper. Regards, Sarunas >> Subject: [Q] Lost characters in pdf >> >> We are distilling PS files generated by the dvips from TEX/DVI. >> In some instances, characters, located at the position 32 in TeX >> fonts, do not show up in the resulting PDF. A Greek lowercase \psi >> from the cmmi font is a classical example. >> > >Hi there, >I'm sorry this is a "me too", not an answer to the question :-( > >We too recently experienced some blank characters in PDF files produced >via TeX/DVI -> PS -> PDF. Astonishing is the fact that most of the pages >that suffer from that phenomenon will print out fine from the reader - >most of them, not all. Will the ATM representations be used for printing >(I have installed all TeX fonts available in the ATM) and not the >embedded fonts? > >To clarify things a bit: TeX compliant PS fonts have glyphs also at font >positions 0 to 32 and they are accessed via change of the encoding >vector. These special fonts are embedded in the PS file and do print like >a charm. Distilling is also no problem. We have missing characters also >from other positions in the special area (0-32). The effect will increase >if you open more than one document. Suddenly pages that worked well before >show blank positions. Is this a memory problem (no warning or error >message appears though)? > >Rather helples, >Frank Holzwarth > e-mail Internet: HOLZWARTH@VAX.NTP.SPRINGER.DE >Springer-Verlag >Dept. New Technologies/Product Development >Tiergartenstrasse 17 >D-69121 Heidelberg >FRG > 23-Nov-1995 20:21:52-GMT,1553;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA16033 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:21:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12559; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:21:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA12493 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:18:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 20:16 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-22-95 [V1 #90] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199511230550.XAA09089@grandcanyon.binc.net> From: Date: 22 Nov 95 12:11:58 EST Subject: New Exchange LE pricing Anyone know what it's going to cost to put Acrobat Exchange on a CD-ROM with the new version? Will that even be possible? I need to be able to provide notes and annotation capabilities for a customer at a reasonable price, and since the Reader 2.1 doesn't support squat, the only option seems to be Envoy... Rusty We had a meeting with John Warnock and Dave Emmett last week on this very same subject. I can quote you a price (off line) if you want to call me. Peter Mathews, Computertsream Ltd, UK (44) 161 445 4676 (GMT) Peter. 25-Nov-1995 23:59:44-GMT,1651;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA29641 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:59:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26051; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:59:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA25974 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:49:04 -0600 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 16:30 PST From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: comp.lang.postscript@aladdin.com, pdf-l@aladdin.com Subject: Improved PDF->PS from Aladdin Ghostscript Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) I have just posted on the comp.sources.postscript newsgroup some replacements for files in the Aladdin Ghostscript 3.51 distribution. These files cause the Ghostscript pdf2ps utility to produce PostScript output that is much more faithful to the original PDF file, fixing a number of reported problems with character spacing and missing European characters. These changes will of course be in the next Aladdin Ghostscript release, but they are valuable enough that I decided to release them early. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 27-Nov-1995 13:57:29-GMT,1660;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA09867 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 06:57:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA01300; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:56:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA01163 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:48:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199511271348.HAA05608@glacier.binc.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 08:47:43 -0800 From: Patricia Firpo Organization: CMP Publications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: PowerPoint pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Patricia Firpo I have successfully been able to distill,on a Mac, some Powerpoint presentations produced on a pc. I'm still working on font problems, but I think I will be able to get the required results. However, I have just distilled a presentation (21 slides) from Powerpoint 3.0(pc) and have lost most or all of three pages in the middle of the presenation. I did not get an error message from Distiller but when I try to view the presentation through Exchange I get a message on each of those pages that says "there was an error processing a page. Too few operands." When I press OK I get another message stating "an unrecognized token 'm6048' was found. Any clues??? I appreciate any help or suggestions anyone may have. Thanks. 27-Nov-1995 20:58:11-GMT,2303;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA16197 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:58:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03230; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:57:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03104 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:51:46 -0600 From: "Chris Dorsey" Organization: Network Dynamics Ltd, Chch, NZ. To: PDF-L@emrg.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:55:23 +1100 Subject: Problems printing from Acrobat Reader 2.0/2.1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <14A1278694D@aslan.nd.co.nz> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Chris Dorsey" I have purchased and installed Acrobat Pro on my PC (486DX, 16MB) at work, and other staff have installed Acrobat Reader 2.0 or 2.1. On most machines everything works fine. However, we have one PC on which it is impossible to print anything from a PDF file. Selecting Print from the File menu causes a GPF fault in module ATMSYS.DRV at 0001:02A9. It doesnt matter whether the staff member uses Acrobat Reader 2.0 or Acrobat Reader 2.1. The PC has the following setup: * Pentium 90 with 32MB RAM * Windows for WorkGroups 3.11 * Connected to Novell Netware 3.12 network * Attached to two network printer queues * HP LaserJet 4M/4MV Printer Driver (v. 31.V1.50) and Windows QMS Printer Driver v2.15 installed. * ATM v3.01 (32bit) installed and running; the following entries appear in SYSTEM.INI: [boot] system.drv=atmsys.drv atm.system.drv=system.drv Other PCs have similar network and printer setups, and do not experience this problem. Has anyone else had similar problems? Does anyone know how to solve this problem? ========================================================== Chris Dorsey Telephone: +64-3-343-0803 Technical Writer Facsimile: +64-3-343-0804 Network Dynamics Limited Email: dorseyc@aslan.nd.co.nz 97-99 Riccarton Road PO Box 8225 Christchurch, New Zealand (Home of the Americas Cup) ========================================================== 27-Nov-1995 22:32:42-GMT,1470;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA17589 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:32:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03855; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:25:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA03752 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:22:08 -0600 From: lloydw@wfu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:22:52 -0400 To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: x-platform 256 color problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: lloydw@wfu.edu Hello all, I'm new to the list so bear with me if this subject has been hashed to death. I'm using a Mac and Photoshop to create 256-color TIFFs that are later placed in PageMaker 5.0, output to Postscript, and distilled with Acrobat Distiller 2.1. The problem is this: On my Mac monitor set to 256, thousands or millions of colors, the PDF document containing these images appears fine---on a Thinkpad, however, the images appear dithered and grainy, as do the color elements originally created in PageMaker. Can this be fixed? Thanks in advance for any info. Lloyd Whitehead, Assistant Editor Office of Public Affairs Wake Forest University (910)-759-6128 lloydw@wfu.edu 28-Nov-1995 7:24:00-GMT,1983;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA22664 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 00:23:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07610; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 01:21:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA07533 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 01:17:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:14:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199511280714.IAA00536@mistral.ius-software.si> X-Sender: sandra@mistral.ius-software.si X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Subject: Acrobat Reader 1.1 for DOS Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Hi! For example: I have a PDF file linked to another PDF file. Links are created using Acrobat Exchange 2.0 for Windows. I simply created links with File open or Go to view option. When I open a PDF file with Acrobat Reader 2.1 for Windows links to other PDF files are working fine. I also need to view my PDF files with Acrobat Reader 1.1 for DOS - but links are not working at all. Can anyone tell me why is that or am I doing something wrong? As I noticed there is no problem if I want to jump within one PDF, but to jump to another PDF - that is something that Acrobat Reader for DOS doesn't understand?!? ... Thanks for your help, Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. **************************************************************************** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ 28-Nov-1995 8:03:41-GMT,1539;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA22912 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 01:03:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA07946; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 02:02:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA07881 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 01:59:30 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:57:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199511280757.IAA00555@mistral.ius-software.si> X-Sender: sandra@mistral.ius-software.si X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Subject: Acrobat Reader for network Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) Hi again! I forgot to ask one more question: Does anyone know if there is some version of Acrobat Reader for use inside corporate networks (multiple users of a single CD-Rom)? Thanks in advance Sandra Sustarsic IUS SOFTWARE d.o.o. **************************************************************************** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ 28-Nov-1995 10:51:49-GMT,1208;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA23663 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 03:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA08688; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:51:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA08617 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:47:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199511281047.EAA26584@glacier.binc.net> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:41:50 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: [Sandra Sustarsic: Acrobat Reader 1.1 for DOS] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford > When I open a PDF file with Acrobat Reader 2.1 >for Windows links to other PDF files are working fine. I also need to view >my PDF files with Acrobat Reader 1.1 for DOS - but links are not working at >all. Release 1 viewers for Acrobat support *intra*-document links only. *Inter*-document links are not supported until release 2.0 It's as simple as that. David Brailsford 28-Nov-1995 13:13:34-GMT,3084;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA24238 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:13:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA09194; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:13:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA09128 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:09:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199511281308.AA06807@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:07:36 -0500 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) To: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic), PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader for network Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.560465718" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.560465718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >___________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Acrobat Reader for network >From: sandra.sustarsic@ius-software.si (Sandra Sustarsic) at ~Gateway >Date: 11/28/95 8:57 AM > >Hi again! > >I forgot to ask one more question: Does anyone know if there is some version >of Acrobat Reader for use inside corporate networks (multiple users of a >single CD-Rom)? > >Thanks in advance > > >Sandra Sustarsic I contacted Adobe and asked them the same question. I was told that there is no networked version of the Reader. It must be installed on each individual machine. +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON...." --IMA.Boundary.560465718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi again! I forgot to ask one more question: Does anyone know if there is some version of Acrobat Reader for use inside corporate networks (multiple users of a single CD-Rom)? Thanks in advance Sandra Sustarsic IUS SOFTWARE d.o.o. **************************************************************************** ********************************** Sandra Sustarsic IUS Software d.o.o. CD-ROM production Brnciceva 31, 61231 Ljubljana Crnuce tel. & fax +386 61 373 903 SLOVENIA Internet: http://www.ius-software.si/ --IMA.Boundary.560465718-- 28-Nov-1995 13:32:05-GMT,1391;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA24290 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA09430; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:31:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA09361 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:29:04 -0600 Message-Id: <01BABD6B.7A3BCE00@fontben.statcan.ca> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= To: "'Acrobat List @ Blue World'" , "'PDF-L @ EMERGE'" Subject: Acrobat Reader 2.1 in FRENCH Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:27:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= Could someone (may be from Adobe...) tell me if the International versions of Acrobat Reader 2.1 (THE FRENCH!) are available? Adobe's Web site says "late October"... I haven't seen anything yet! Being in the Canadian Federal Government, we must produce and use bilingual stuff (English and French). I'm kind of waiting for it... Thanks! : -) Benoit Fontaine Statistics Canada fontben@statcan.ca 28-Nov-1995 16:40:37-GMT,1822;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA25735 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:40:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA10406; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:37:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA10299 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:31:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199511281630.KAA18406@glacier.binc.net> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= cc: "'Acrobat List @ Blue World'" , "'PDF-L @ EMERGE'" Subject: Re: Acrobat Reader 2.1 in FRENCH In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 28 Nov 95 08:27:53 -0500. <01BABD6B.7A3BCE00@fontben.statcan.ca> X-Organisation: Electronic Publishing Research Group, Dept of Computer Science, X-Organisation: University of Nottingham, England X-Phone: (+44) 115 9514230 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 16:25:33 +0000 From: David R Evans Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David R Evans They certainly are available. I look at the UK mirror now as it is impossible to get anything off the adobe.com site here during the day. The address is: ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/adobe/Acrobat Regards David ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9860048 Merlin Open Systems (+44) 115 9514230 (direct) P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@cs.nott.ac.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~dre/merlin/ NG2 1LJ, UK Specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software 28-Nov-1995 20:54:32-GMT,1780;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA28793 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA11418; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:53:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA11357 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:48:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199511282048.AA02176@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 03:29:10 -0500 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Rasterizer Error? To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Ack! I distilled a QuarkXPress document. When I opened it using Acrobat 2.1 Reader in Windows 3.1 I get the following error when I try to go to the next page of the document: There was an error processing a page. A rasterizer error occurred. I clicked "OK" and went to the next page, seemingly without a problem. I then opened the same file on my PowerMac (system 7.5.1) and had no errors. Anyone know what this error is and how to avoid it? +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON...." 28-Nov-1995 21:19:10-GMT,1278;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA29085 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:19:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11672; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:17:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA11608 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:15:31 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:18:24 EST Subject: 2 questions Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <28C42C6649A@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" 1. What is the status of the Amber release & Netscape Plug-in? 2. Is there a way to limit the number of users that have access to a PDF file (shut off network capability)? ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 29-Nov-1995 1:50:56-GMT,1221;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA02381 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA12942; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:50:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA12890 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:47:30 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:46:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199511290146.TAA25794@glacier.binc.net> X-Sender: mcknight@OMNIPRESS.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: mcknight@OMNIPRESS.com (David McKnight) Subject: Acrobat Search for CD-ROM Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mcknight@OMNIPRESS.com (David McKnight) Has anyone heard "anything" regarding the current status of Acrobat Search for CD-ROM. Adobe sales says it should be shipping next week, but they have been saying that since early October. We have some "HOT" projects and would like to hear more than "it's shipping next week". Any help out there? David 29-Nov-1995 13:05:31-GMT,2521;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA06662 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 06:05:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA15807; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 06:53:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA15758 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 06:48:52 -0600 From: DPolstein@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:48:02 -0500 Message-ID: <951129074801_119578750@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: x-platform 256 color problem Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: DPolstein@aol.com Hi, The problem you have encountered, is one that I have also asked about and spent some time considering, although I feel I have a satisfactory theoretical answer I hope some others will give some practical advice as well. The problem with cross platform color display is that the different systems reserve certain colors and locations on the palette for system use. If you reduce a graphic to 256 colors on a make, and choose as your palette the "system palette" it will display the the same way on all Macs set to 256 colors. If you reduce your graphic to 256 colors using an "adaptive palette" (this option chooses the most frequently used 256 colors in the image) you will get a much better looking image but when you display it on a Mac sety to 256 colors it may appear dithered. This is because the Mac reserves certain colors and locations on the palette (specifically the first and last spaces in the palette are set to white and black); if your adaptive palette does not correspond to this mapping some of your colors will be substituted for and the image will appear dithered. When you switch to the PC with your 256 color palette you get the same effect because Windows reserves 20 spaces on the color palette for system use. How do you get around this? If you are using Photoshop to create your images, try reducing the number of colors in your image to less than 236 so Windows can grab the spaces on the palette it needs. Or you can use DeBabelizer by Equilibrium Software to change your color palettes to match the final destination system AND give you the best possible overall palette. It has great batch processing features as well if you are working with lots of images. I hope some other people have some other better solutions. Good luck. David Polstein 29-Nov-1995 13:55:19-GMT,1575;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA06841 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 06:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16238; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:54:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA16176 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:52:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Garry J. Forger" X-Sender: gjforger@forbin.syr.edu To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: training In-Reply-To: <951129074801_119578750@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Garry J. Forger" I work at a hospital in Syracuse, New York and we are about to try and put all of our Policy and Procedures manuals online using Acrobat. I am looking for someone to do training/consulting who is in the area. Also, any books on Acrobat or PDF that people have found particularly useful would be appreciated. Thanks, Garry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Garry Forger gjforger@mailbox.syr.edu Systems Librarian Crouse Irving Memorial Hospital Library 315-470-7380 Phone 736 Irving Ave. Syracuse, New York 13210 315-470-7443 Fax ******************************************************** 29-Nov-1995 15:53:35-GMT,1627;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA07819 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:53:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16923; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:53:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA16867 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:50:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:45:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199511291545.HAA07844@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Re: Acrobat Search for CD-ROM To: mcknight@OMNIPRESS.com (David McKnight), pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199511290146.TAA25794@glacier.binc.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com David, Adobe kept their (revised date) promise of shipping the product "before the end of November" and I *did* receive the long-awaited software yesterday via Airborne. It had been on-order for over 3 months, but at least it's now here! Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, mcknight@OMNIPRESS.com (David McKnight) wrote: >Has anyone heard "anything" regarding the current status of Acrobat Search >for CD-ROM. Adobe sales says it should be shipping next week, but they have >been saying that since early October. > >We have some "HOT" projects and would like to hear more than "it's shipping >next week". Any help out there? > >David > > > > 29-Nov-1995 17:26:19-GMT,2692;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA08832 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17483; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:25:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA17371 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:18:22 -0600 From: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 08:47:46 PST Message-Id: <9510298176.AA817665135@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> To: "Garry J. Forger" , pdf-l@emrg.com, jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Books and training for Adobe Acrobat Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jkirkpat@mv.us.adobe.com Gary- Here are a couple of books that have been published recently regarding Adobe Acrobat: Acrobat Quick Tour for Mac & Windows "Understand and Create Electronic Documents" Ventana Press By: Barrie Sosinsky and Elisabeth Parker ISB-N-1-56604-265-0 $14.00 Acrobat 2.1 Your Personal Consultant Ziff Davis Press By: Roy Christmann ISBN-1-56276-336-9 If you work with Adobe Illustrator and Adobe Photoshop, there is also a chapter in the Adobe Press Book called: "Production Essentials" Adobe Press ISBN-1-56830-124-3 Another Adobe Press Book, called: "Interactivity By Design" is not specifically an Acrobat book, rather it presents a clear, focused process for designing interactive products. Adobe Press ISBN-1-56830-221-5 Regarding training on Adobe Acrobat, if you log on to our home page at www.adobe.com and click on the Services and Training section, you will find detailed information about Acrobat training classes and schedules. Hope that helps! Judy Kirkpatrick Market Development Manager Adobe Systems _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: training From: "Garry J. Forger" at cc_smtp2 Date: 11/29/95 6:50 AM I work at a hospital in Syracuse, New York and we are about to try and put all of our Policy and Procedures manuals online using Acrobat. I am looking for someone to do training/consulting who is in the area. Also, any books on Acrobat or PDF that people have found particularly useful would be appreciated. Thanks, Garry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Garry Forger gjforger@mailbox.syr.edu Systems Librarian Crouse Irving Memorial Hospital Library 315-470-7380 Phone 736 Irving Ave. Syracuse, New York 13210 315-470-7443 Fax ******************************************************** 29-Nov-1995 18:45:44-GMT,2368;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA09626 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA17907; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:44:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA17820 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:42:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:54:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199511291854.MAA05374@smokies.binc.net> X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Subject: NEW READER RELEASE Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ggernert@emrg.com (Glenn Gernert) Zeon Corp. of Taiwan has developed a new PDF Reader and posted it to their web site >From the Zeon web page: DocuCom Series PDF Product .... >Zeon Corp. has developed a series of software programs related to electronic publishing >-- the DocuCom products family. It supports not only all the features and >functionalities of the PDF documents but also the direct editing of the page contents. >Additionally, we have extended the PDF specification to support Double Bytes Character >Set (DBCS) of Asian languages -- the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean, of course some >other powerful enhancement as well................................. TAKE A LOOK! glg +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Glenn Gernert Product Support Manager | | EMERGE | | Knowledge In Motion | |----------------------------------------------------------| | 579 D'Onofrio Drive | Phone: 800-829-2459 | | Suite 101 | Fax: 608-829-3561 | | Madison, WI | E-mail: ggernert@emrg.com | | 53719 | WWW: http://www.emrg.com/ | +----------------------------------------------------------+ Adobe Acrobat Electronic Publishing Solutions Acrobat Capture Service Bureau 29-Nov-1995 23:49:49-GMT,2241;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA13261 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:49:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA19079; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:49:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA19019 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:45:30 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199511292345.SAA17608@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: training To: gjforger@mailbox.syr.edu (Garry J. Forger) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:45:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com, whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu In-Reply-To: from "Garry J. Forger" at Nov 29, 95 08:50:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I work at a hospital in Syracuse, New York and we are about to try and > put all of our Policy and Procedures manuals online using Acrobat. > > I am looking for someone to do training/consulting who is in the area. > > Also, any books on Acrobat or PDF that people have found particularly > useful would be appreciated. Most of the books mentioned by Judy -- along with a number of additional online resources on Acrobat -- are listed on the PDF Zone at: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html Hopefully you'l find some of the information you're looking for there. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30-Nov-1995 20:05:40-GMT,1091;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA07282 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:05:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA24537; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:04:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA24394 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:53:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 14:09:18 EST From: "itr" Encoding: 9 Text Message-Id: <9510308177.AA817771905@relay1.proteon.com> To: HFS-L@LISTSERV.VT.EDU, PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Character Count Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "itr" We are creating documentation for online and hard copy. What is the optimal character count or word count (or text width) for people to read easily online? hard copy? Is it the same for both? Please advise. Thank you. Irene Rubin 1-Dec-1995 8:50:32-GMT,2287;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA15035 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 01:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA28778; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 02:49:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA28706 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 02:47:10 -0600 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 01 Dec 1995 08:45:16 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta UKIMS7; Relayed; Fri, 01 Dec 1995 08:45:16 -0500 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Fri, 01 Dec 1995 08:47:13 -0500 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 08:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 Subject: Re: Character Count In-Reply-To: <9510308177.AA817771905@relay1.proteon.com> To: Acrobat Mailing List Message-Id: <1316450801121995/A08911/UKIMS7/119C0A2D0E00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 119C0A2D0E00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;1316450801121995/A08911/UKIMS7] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Calum Benson 0171-542-5247 IR> We are creating documentation for online and hard copy. What IR> is the optimal character count or word count (or text width) IR> for people to read easily online? hard copy? Is it the same IR> for both? Well, in general the eye tends to scan in blocks of five or six words at a time (for English, at least), so a multiple of one of those is often a good place to start. For paper documents, reading performance begins to fall off when the line length gets much longer than 12 or so words. Online docs are harder to read, and I would suggest you shouldn't go above 10 words per line if you can avoid it. Choice of font also affects reading performance; in general, sans serif fonts are easier to read on the screen for body text, whereas serif fonts normally work better on paper. Slainte, Calum Benson, The Usability Group. 1-Dec-1995 12:30:14-GMT,1321;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA16121 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 05:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA29647; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 06:29:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA29570 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 06:27:15 -0600 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:22:54 +0000 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Tim Osmond Subject: 2-Byte Languages and Acrobat X-SMTP-Posting-Host: wordbank.demon.co.uk [Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:20:27 GMT] X-SMTP-Posting-Host: post.demon.co.uk [Fri, 1 Dec 95 12:22:38 GMT] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tim Osmond Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there had any experience of using Acrobat with 2-Byte languages such as Chinese or Japanese, or with Hebrew or Arabic? In other words, any language that doesn't use plain, left-to-right, single-byte encoded characters. I'm finding Adobe in the UK awfully vague... Tim Osmond Wordbank 1-Dec-1995 14:22:51-GMT,2646;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA16655 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:22:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA30114; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:22:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA30039 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:19:24 -0600 From: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 08:05:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-30-95 [V1 #96] To: pdf-l@emrg.com, Irene.Rubin@proteon.com Message-id: <9511018178.AA817834013@odp.tamu.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Jennifer_Hall@odp.tamu.edu Irene, The classical typesetter's measure of line length for type is 1 1/2 alphabets per line (39 characters or about 8 words). This measure is designed to enhance legibility (the reader's ease of reading), whether big or little type is being read. There is a great book called Graphic Design for the Electronic Age by Jan V. White (all his books are brilliant), that discusses classical design decisions. Despite the title, my copy of the book was printed pre-on-line/Internet/Acrobat days. It would be interesting to see White go into the new issues of on-line work. On-line there are other factors to be considered. Type has to be easier (and probably bigger) to read on-screen than on-paper. If I am designing an Acrobat document that is primarily for use on-screen, I usually pick a type that is smoother (if a serif type, not a heavy serif--something like Optima) and probably bolder than I would for paper-only publishing. You indicated you are working on a on-line documentation file. On-line documentation is often little short chunks of text, often numbered or bulleted. You might have to adjust your line length shorter or longer to keep the chunks intact. If you are designing an HTML document the line length question is moot. The line length is controlled by the reader and the reader's screen size. It would be interesting to test a group of readers and see what line length they intuitively choose. I have a 21" screen, and I never use the full screen width for reading, unless it's a document I have to enlarge hugely to read. Jennifer Hall Chief Production Editor Ocean Drilling Program 1-Dec-1995 14:57:40-GMT,2210;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA16962 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA30389; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:57:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA30330 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:55:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 14:53 GMT From: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-30-95 [V1 #96] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: hex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Schifreen) In-Reply-To: <199512010550.XAA27407@grandcanyon.binc.net> > We are creating documentation for online and hard copy. What > is the optimal character count or word count (or text width) > for people to read easily online? hard copy? Is it the same > for both? That's a very difficult question, and there's no easy answer. If you look at the help files which come with Acrobat, you'll notice that they're formatted for the screen. Thus they're about 5 inches by 3, in a very large font. Clearly, printing these to paper is not going to look very good. On the other hand, formatting a PDF file as full-page size, in 10pt, is going to look great on paper but impossible to read on screen unless you zoom up and read half or quarter of the page at a time. In my experience, you either have to pick one (ie, screen or paper), or compromise. It all depends on how people will be mostly using the file, and on the quality of the typical user's screen resolution. If the document is mostly designed for use on screen, but with the occasional need to print out for reference, then format it for on-screen use. That means that the page should be square, which'll fit neatly on screen next to the outline window (assuming that the doc is designed to use an outline window). If the doc is mostly for printing, then format it accordingly. R. 1-Dec-1995 15:34:15-GMT,1519;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA17316 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:34:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA30626; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:28:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA30568 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:27:07 -0600 Message-Id: <01BABFD7.88E6A240@fontben.statcan.ca> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= To: "'Acrobat List @ Blue World'" , "'PDF-L @ EMERGE'" Subject: Installing 2 languages Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:26:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt_Fontaine?= Good day! The problem with installing 2 languages, in my case both the English and the French Acrobat Reader, is that whichever language is installed last, it becomes the only icon available in the "Acrobat Reader" program group in Windows. Is it possible to specify a different program group or a different icon? I was thinking of a command line parameter for ACROREAD.EXE or may be a configuration file that ACROREAD.EXE could read? Does anybody heard of something like this? Thanks! Benoit Fontaine Statistics Canada fontben@statcan.ca 1-Dec-1995 15:34:58-GMT,2780;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA17326 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA30726; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:31:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA30686 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:30:44 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:29:02 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for November-30-95 [V1 #96] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) >From: "itr" > We are creating documentation for online and hard copy. What > is the optimal character count or word count (or text width) > for people to read easily online? hard copy? Is it the same > for both? Because Acrobat documents are scalable, you can't assume absolute size--this is a blessing and a curse. But assuming that on-screen readers will be viewing at 100%, I'd pick quite a large font (15-18 pt) and keep line lengths below about 2 lower-case alphabets in that face. If you go longer than this, add a bit of extra leading (space between lines). If you can, allow a generous left margin. One problem of choosing a big font is that it can look silly when printed (at 100%). What helps on screen can hurt on paper. I think you have to decide whether on-screen or hard-copy appearance is most important, and design more for one than the other. One compromise approach is to use normal hard-copy size fonts (9-12 pt) but to set all of the text in a rather narrow column (again, about 2-2.5 alphabets long). Then process the files with Exchange or embedded pdfmark to open with "Fit Visible" as the magnification. You can place a running header offset to the left a little to force some soothing white space to the left of the body text. Font choice is critical, too. Experiment with the ones you've got available. The fonts that come with Acrobat (Times, Helvetica, etc.) are boring but safe--using them assures that Acrobat won't generate substitution fonts, or compel you to embed the fonts you use (ballooning file size). These are very general tips. The acid test will be producing a few test pages and viewing them on a "worst case" system: one *without* the fonts you're using installed and a 640x480 monitor. Good luck! Todd ______________________________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner 2-Dec-1995 5:59:50-GMT,2204;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA26418 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:59:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01389; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 23:58:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA01270 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 23:52:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199512020555.OAA00463@gol1.gol.com> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 14:41:11 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: tim@wordbank.demon.co.uk (Tim Osmond) Subject: Re: 2-Byte Languages and Acrobat Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) Tim: you wrote... > I was wondering if anyone out there had any experience of using Acrobat > with 2-Byte languages such as Chinese or Japanese, or with Hebrew or > Arabic? > > In other words, any language that doesn't use plain, left-to-right, > single-byte encoded characters. I recently contacted Zeon, a Taiwanese company that offers an alternative to the Acrobat reader that supports two-byte languages. Their web site is: http://www.zeon.com.tw They were only offering Windows implementations, so this meant I didn't carry the investigation any further (I need cross-platform portability). As a matter of interest I looked at their catalog, but my Acrobat reader choked on their PDF file... second page had a bbox error. I would guess that the two-byte extensions make their PDF files incompatible (they are almost sure to if the extensions are actually used, no?). This means you would be locked into "their" readers, etc. I had a couple of questions, but the auto-answer form on their web page didn't work and I gave up after half-a-dozen attempts. I shall be very interested in any other comments on two-byte support, as I am located here in Japan and really need Japanese support. Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 2-Dec-1995 8:02:18-GMT,2381;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA27695 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 01:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA02572; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 02:01:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA02324 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 01:19:32 -0600 X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 23:20 PST From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) To: roger@gol.com Cc: tim@wordbank.demon.co.uk, pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: <199512020555.OAA00463@gol1.gol.com> (roger@gol.com) Subject: Re: 2-Byte Languages and Acrobat Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) > I was wondering if anyone out there had any experience of using Acrobat > with 2-Byte languages such as Chinese or Japanese, or with Hebrew or > Arabic? > > In other words, any language that doesn't use plain, left-to-right, > single-byte encoded characters. It was a serious oversight for Adobe not to have made provisions for multi-byte encodings and Type 0 or CID fonts in PDF 1.0, and an even more serious one for them not to have addressed the issue in PDF 1.1. My understanding is that they realize this is a problem and are developing some way to address it. Meanwhile.... If you give Aladdin Ghostscript's PDF interpreter a PDF file that references a non-embedded font that just happens to be a multi-byte font, Ghostscript will do the right thing -- i.e., it will interpret the strings using that font's decoding rule. Ghostscript can also convert PDF files to minimally-DSC-compliant PostScript, again including multi-byte strings. Of course, you may not have any application capable of generating such PDF files, because Adobe's Acrobat product can't handle them. I hope Adobe fixes this soon. It's really going to hurt them in Asia if they don't. L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises :::: ghost@aladdin.com 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | Artifex Software Inc. :: tech@arsoft.com Menlo Park, CA 94025 | tel. +1-415-322-0103 (AM only) fax +1-415-322-1734 "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery." 4-Dec-1995 1:12:31-GMT,1438;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA25896 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA11099; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:11:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA10996 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:03:14 -0600 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:02:45 +0000 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Tim Osmond Subject: Re: 2-Byte Languages and Acrobat X-SMTP-Posting-Host: wordbank.demon.co.uk [Mon, 4 Dec 95 1:00:09 GMT] X-SMTP-Posting-Host: post.demon.co.uk [Mon, 4 Dec 95 1:00:41 GMT] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tim Osmond OK... Well - I timed the message appropriately, it seems, but the announcement of Zeon's Windows-only pdf reader for DBCS Windows confirms my suspicions along with a couple of other replies. No Double-Byte support as yet from Adobe on *any* platform. I'll just have to look forward to it appearing, I guess. In the meantime, ambitious as ever, has anyone used Acrobat on Hbrew or Arabic systems? Thanks for you attention Tim Osmond 4-Dec-1995 22:55:59-GMT,1072;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA06349 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:55:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00300; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:02:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA00232 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:58:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 12:57:47 CST From: "Kent Drummond" Encoding: 7 Text Message-Id: <9511048181.AA818119702@ccmail.bmc.com> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Red Text in PDF Documents Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent Drummond" May I have someone's help regarding using red text in PDF documents. Has anyone run into a problem with people who have color blindness and would be unable to read red text? Is there a better color to use? Regards, Kdrummon@BMC.Com 5-Dec-1995 18:52:51-GMT,1789;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA16252 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:52:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06111; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:48:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05982 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:43:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 18:42 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-4-95 [V1 #100] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199512050550.XAA01932@grandcanyon.binc.net> Re: Red Text <> Reply from Peter Mathews: Computerstream / The Plug-In Shop UK It might interest you to know that we have developed an API to show Acrobat Hyperlinks as couloured text (rather than the ubiquitous box or finger!). Colo(u)r blindness has been highlighted as a problem by some of our clients, so it is feasible that text colo(u)rs can be selected and changed by personal choice within Acrobat rather than the generating package. Novel idea or what? Regards Peter Mathews, Computerstream Ltd, (44) 161 445 4676, or email on compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk 5-Dec-1995 18:53:11-GMT,3004;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA16256 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:52:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06109; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:48:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05826 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:14:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:54:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199512051754.JAA13454@ccnet.ccnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: thiersch@ccnet.com Subject: Easing installation confusion To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com Cc: "SOLUTIONS Software" X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: thiersch@ccnet.com To all, One of the biggest problems we have with Acrobat is the area of installing and setting up the indexes on the end-user's PC. We're trying to set up a CD for distribution to a large number of mostly non-techie users; i.e., users who actually want to *use* the information on the CD, not play around with setting up paths, indexes, etc. The Adobe-supplied SETUP for the Reader seems to allow almost no customizing. Since we're primarily targetting Windows users, I'll speak in those terms, although most of these "wish list" issues aren't platform-specific. 1. The Windows Program icon "Working Directory" is set to be the same as the just-installed ACROEXCH directory. Since all of our PDFs and PDX files are on the CD, this makes almost no sense. The SETUP script should have a parameter to set the "Working Directory" to the root of the CD, or to some other prompted directory. 2. All of the values available in the Exchange Edit / Preferences settings should be exposed during setup, with default values supplied by the ACROINST.INI file. For example, our users will almost always be locating their documents with Search, so it would be nice to be able to suppress the "Display Open Dialog at Startup" (General Preferences). Similarly, the default magnification, viewing of bookmarks, etc. should be customizable as part of the SETUP process. 3. Is there a way to automatically launch the Search engine at startup? 4. The SETUP script should allow us to pre-select all of the indexes (i.e., fill in the INDEX-n values in ACROSRCH.INI) so that the user doesn't have to go through the laborious process of Adding each index to the list of candidate indexes. 5. All of the above-described "customization" should be portable and applicable to every Acrobat platform, which is why I'd like to stay within the capabilities of the Adobe-supplied installation procedures. So, does anyone have any answers/suggestions/cures for any of the above? Thanks in advance for any help, Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. thiersch@ccnet.com 5-Dec-1995 19:15:42-GMT,1408;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA16525 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:15:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06516; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:15:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA06410 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:11:30 -0600 Date: 05 Dec 95 13:56:45 EST From: To: Subject: security plug-in for Adobe Acrobat Message-ID: <951205185644_702420.204300_BHD29-21@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: One of our clients is concerned about losing multiple copy sales of their reference book if customers who had bought several copies in the past were to buy only one CD-ROM and put it on a network were anyone could get to it. We have heard that there is a plug in that can keep the reader from working unless the plug-in is installed on the machine that is trying to access the CD. Does anyone have more information about this or any other plug-in that would fix the problem ( who is the manufacturer and how do we reach them) and/or has anyone encountered this problem and how was it solved? Thanks! 6-Dec-1995 6:27:40-GMT,1980;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA00726 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:27:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA03430; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:27:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA03377 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:25:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:25:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199512060625.BAA61500@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@mailhost.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: Re: Easing installation confusion X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) In reply to: One of the biggest problems we have with Acrobat is the area of installing and setting up the indexes on the end-user's PC. I'd agree that Acrobat is in sore need of a binder/installer package to facilitate the distribution of comercial titles (the Folio Infobase binder is a great example of such a beast... now someone needs to write one for Acrobat). Our company was faced with the same problem and wound up writing our own Acrobat installer shell to handle the problem under Windows: 1) Create a group with a group name specified in an ini file 2) Place one or more icons in the group as specified in an ini file (the icons point to PDF files on the CD-ROM drive) 3) Allow the Acrobat installer to run 4) Stick one or more index into the Acrobat search.ini file as specified in your ini file The Mac install works somewhat better (there is an Adobe tech note on how to set up indexes during install on the Mac) If you would like more information on our installer shell send me an e-mail. Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions Corp. chrisl@cmpc.com 6-Dec-1995 17:42:46-GMT,983;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA05540 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA05927; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:42:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA05851 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:36:53 -0600 Date: 06 Dec 95 12:31:25 EST From: To: Subject: Network security plug-in Message-ID: <951206173125_702420.204300_BHD68-36@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: All, Does anyone know of a plug-in or capability that will allow us to secure an Acrobat CD-ROM from duplicated use on a network. Client doesn't want the disks to be shared. Cheers, Rusty Speidel 7-Dec-1995 6:51:32-GMT,3783;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA12532 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA09503; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:50:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA09416 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:43:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 23:42:50 MST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: Subject: Undeliverable Message Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: PDF-DIGEST for December-6-95 [V1 #102] Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: Thergesen_S@SLAEO@CDE VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The maximum message limit for a user's mailbox is 10,000. The default message limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set message limits using the Mailbox Settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the user must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- PDF-DIGEST Wednesday, 6 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 102 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are 2 messages totalling 63 lines in this issue. Topics of the Day: 1. Re: Easing installation confusion 2. Network security plug-in ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:25:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Easing installation confusion In reply to: One of the biggest problems we have with Acrobat is the area of installing and setting up the indexes on the end-user's PC. I'd agree that Acrobat is in sore need of a binder/installer package to facilitate the distribution of comercial titles (the Folio Infobase binder is a great example of such a beast... now someone needs to write one for Acrobat). Our company was faced with the same problem and wound up writing our own Acrobat installer shell to handle the problem under Windows: 1) Create a group with a group name specified in an ini file 2) Place one or more icons in the group as specified in an ini file (the icons point to PDF files on the CD-ROM drive) 3) Allow the Acrobat installer to run 4) Stick one or more index into the Acrobat search.ini file as specified in your ini file The Mac install works somewhat better (there is an Adobe tech note on how to set up indexes during install on the Mac) If you would like more information on our installer shell send me an e-mail. Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions Corp. chrisl@cmpc.com ------------------------------ From: Date: 06 Dec 95 12:31:25 EST Subject: Network security plug-in All, Does anyone know of a plug-in or capability that will allow us to secure an Acrobat CD-ROM from duplicated use on a network. Client doesn't want the disks to be shared. Cheers, Rusty Speidel ------------------------------ End of PDF-DIGEST V1 #102 ************************* 7-Dec-1995 14:45:14-GMT,1782;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA15354 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 07:45:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA10968; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:44:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA10909 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:41:45 -0600 From: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 08:42:12 cst Message-Id: <9511078183.AA818354532@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Quark 3.3 file conversion Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: stone@cc-mail.agcomed.uiuc.edu Hi all, I'm trying to convert a Quark file to a PDF. The 28-page file uses color type and background images extensively and is heavy on scanned color photos. However, when I convert it to a PDF, the photos and almost all of the other color come out as shades of gray. Only two pages retained their full original color. These pages have an illustration that was probably done in Illustrator or Freehand. Two other pages have a bit of color but should show full-color illustrations and photos as well. Background info: I used the Acrobat Distiller PPD to convert the Quark file (11 megs) to a Postscript file (51 megs). I made sure that the "Print colors as grays" box was NOT checked. I included all downloadable fonts. The PDF file is 18 megs. All steps of the process were done on a Mac using Acrobat version 2 and Quark 3.3. Any clues? Terri Stone ------------------------------ Information Services College of Agricultural, Consumer and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois ta-stone@uiuc.edu 7-Dec-1995 16:59:14-GMT,1618;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA16608 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11414; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:58:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA11346 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:54:36 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 16:52 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-6-95 [V1 #102] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199512070550.XAA08674@grandcanyon.binc.net> From: Date: 06 Dec 95 12:31:25 EST Subject: Network security plug-in All, Does anyone know of a plug-in or capability that will allow us to secure an Acrobat CD-ROM from duplicated use on a network. Client doesn't want the disks to be shared. Cheers, Rusty Speidel >From Peter Mathews Computerstream UK Rusty Computerstream recently produced a CD-ROM for a client which was "bound" (to the particular CD and PC) which meant that the PDF data could only be read from the CD-ROM by its own copy of Acrobat, ie: no other copy of Acrobat could read the PDF. Can give you details if you want it. Regards Peter Mathews Computerstream UK (compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk) 7-Dec-1995 20:35:43-GMT,1553;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA19088 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:35:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12009; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:30:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA11948 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:26:26 -0600 X-Sender: molbiodr@mail.missouri.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:26:52 -0500 To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: molbiodr@showme.missouri.edu (Ranly) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: molbiodr@showme.missouri.edu (Ranly) Greetings all, I'm trying to set up an email distribution system for a bimonthly newsletter. The newsletter is created in (MAC) pagemaker and then distilled into a pdf file (approx. 484K) with Adobe Acrobat. The problem lies with emailing it. Subscribers who use the same email software as I do (Eudora) can open it just fine. Those using other types of email (especially non-MAC stuff) can't open it with their Acrobat Reader. They get an error message saying the file doesn't start with %PDF. Apparently I need to encode the thing so that it's transferred as ASCII rather than binary. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do this? My subscribers use a wide variety of platforms (mac, pc, sun). -- Diana 7-Dec-1995 23:10:00-GMT,2001;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA20544 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:09:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12730; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:06:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA12576 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:55:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:55:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199512072255.RAA47279@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@mailhost.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: Re: e-mailing PDF's X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) In response to: Apparently I need to encode the thing so that it's transferred as ASCII rather than binary. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do this? My subscribers use a wide variety of platforms (mac, pc, sun). The encoding is applied by the PDFWriter (or Distiller). You can tell either of these software packages which encoding to use. For PDFWriter under Windows for example, you would choose Printer Setup (either from your applications print screen or from the Control Panel/Printers dialog), choose compression settings and check the ASCII box. In the Distiller, select the Distiller pull down menu option and choose Job Options and check the ASCII Format box. This will create ASCII PDF's but we have still had problems sending these guys via mailers. We have found that compressing the PDF's with PKZIP, STUFFIT, or some other package increases the chances of transfer but then your end user will have to have more smarts to get the files(s) back out. I'd be interested to hear if others have had problems sending "ASCII" PDF's. Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions 7-Dec-1995 23:38:26-GMT,1060;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA20826 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13015; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:33:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA12953 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:30:18 -0600 Date: 08 Dec 95 10:28:04 +1000 From: Troy Reid Subject: Netscape v2 plugin To: "pdf-l@emrg.com" Message-ID: <951208.102804@bluestone.com.au> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Troy Reid Does anyone know who is developing the Netscape v2 (mac) plugin for Acrob= at PDF files? When will it be avaliable? How will it be distributed? What= will it cost? 8-Dec-1995 0:20:03-GMT,1467;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA21216 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:19:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA13398; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:18:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA13303 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:15:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:15:16 +1000 Message-Id: <199512080015.KAA26444@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: PDF Writer Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Good morning from hot & steamy Queensland ( and for all those Englishmen - we've turned our systems upside down so theye are in concert with you) Is anyone aware whether or not PDF Writer is available on its own as a simple inexpensive conversion method for moving Word/Spreadsheet dcouments into PDF. Looking forward to hearing from you Aaron Goldwater qmail@powerup.com.au. Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Members of the HTML Writers Guild Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 8-Dec-1995 9:05:38-GMT,2212;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA24957 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 02:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA16595; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 03:04:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA16501 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 03:03:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 02:02:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9512080902.AA11349@snake.srv.net> X-Sender: napmn@snake.srv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Bruce Huffaker Subject: Re: e-mail and PDF Files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bruce Huffaker At 11:50 PM 12/7/95 -0600, molbiodr@showme.missouri.edu (Ranly)wrote: > >I'm trying to set up an email distribution system for a bimonthly >newsletter. The newsletter is created in (MAC) pagemaker and then distilled >into a pdf file (approx. 484K) with Adobe Acrobat. > >The problem lies with emailing it. Subscribers who use the same email >software as I do (Eudora) can open it just fine. Those using other types of >email (especially non-MAC stuff) can't open it with their Acrobat Reader. >They get an error message saying the file doesn't start with %PDF. > >Apparently I need to encode the thing so that it's transferred as ASCII >rather than binary. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do this? >My subscribers use a wide variety of platforms (mac, pc, sun). > Diana: I write a smaller newsletter on a PC, using Acrobat Exchange as a printer driver. I don't have a universal answer to your problem. However, you should make sure you have the latest version of Eudora. Second, you may need to send two separate messages, one to readers that accept MIME encoding, and another to readers that require BinHex. Those three steps have solve most of my problems (so far). Bruce Huffaker Owner & Editor napmn@srv.net North American Potato Market News 8-Dec-1995 10:20:11-GMT,3181;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA25200 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 03:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA16970; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 04:19:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA16915 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 04:18:39 -0600 X-Sender: claes@pop.mm.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Confuse: A-Cat Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:21:58 +0100 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: claes.magnusson@mm.se (Claes Magnusson) Subject: Re: e-mail and PDF Files Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: claes.magnusson@mm.se (Claes Magnusson) >>I'm trying to set up an email distribution system for a bimonthly >>newsletter. The newsletter is created in (MAC) pagemaker and then distilled >>into a pdf file (approx. 484K) with Adobe Acrobat. >Second, you may need to send two separate messages, one to readers that accept >MIME encoding, and another to readers that require BinHex. Those three steps >have solve most of my problems (so far). IMHO, the proper way to do this is to pack PDF files with the UU Encoder which creates attachements that can be unwrapped on most systems; Mac, PC and Unix. UU is the most used format for transfering binary files in the Usenet News forums, and therefore UU can be considered as a major "standard" on the Internet. :-) Eudora Pro for Mac can wrap attachments directly into UU-encoded packages, and a lot of other standalone applications can do this as well (se end for a list). Just be sure to *not* select to include any "Mac resource" information, as this can make the file unusable on other platforms. The resource information contains data about the Mac icon, file type and creation date, and is useless on other platforms. If this information is included in a file sent to non-mac computers, the other application can complain about file data beeing corrupt or invalid. A Mac user can still open a PDF file that has been transfered with UU (without the Mac resource information) as long as the filename ends with .pdf or the user selects "Show all file types" from the open file window. Rgds - Claes - - - - - Standalone UU encoders and decoders can be found at any info-mac mirror site: ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/_Compress_and_Translate/mac-uucode-105.hqx ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/_Compress_and_Translate/uu-lite-20.hqx ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/_Compress_and_Translate/uu-tool-24.hqx ftp://mirrors.aol.com//pub/info-mac/_Compress_and_Translate/uucd-243.hqx --- Claes Magnusson, MacMeckarna AB, Master Johansgatan 15, S-211 21 Malmo, SWEDEN Tel +46 40-356 100, Direct +46 40-356 161, Fax +46 40-974 880 Mobile Telephone +46 708 13 22 40 Mobile Fax +46 708 13 22 41 claes.magnusson@macmeckarna.com //www.mm.se/claes.magnusson/ You can send email directly to my mobile phone! Put your text in the subject field (only) and mail to t0708132240@gsm.mm.se 8-Dec-1995 12:26:24-GMT,2317;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA25684 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 05:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA17973; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:25:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA17743 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:21:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199512081220.GAA20734@glacier.binc.net> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 12:13:11 GMT From: David F Brailsford To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: E-mailing pdf Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: David F Brailsford > Apparently I need to encode the thing so that it's transferred as ASCII > rather than binary. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do this? > My subscribers use a wide variety of platforms (mac, pc, sun). > -- Diana I have a long explanatory file on this issue which I sent to "pdf-l" about a month ago. I won't repeat it here but am happy to e-mail it to anyone who wants the full background story of why it is so difficult to be 100% sure that PDF will transmit accurately over e-mail. But briefly: PDF generally will contain binary material and the only safe way to transmit this robustly via e-mail is (perversely) to encode the binary content of the file as 2-byte ascii. When you save a PDF file in ASCII form this is exactly what happens. The stuff in the file that is already ascii (eg. PDF keywords like "stream" and "obj") go over "as is" but the binary stuff maps every binary byte into two ASCII bytes using an 85-character subset of ASCII. Unfortunately this 85 character subset is not quite fireproof against all possible mailer nasties. There *is* a totally safe subset of ASCII which is a 64-character subset. When you send stuff as binary via MIME-compliant mailers it is this ASCII-64 which gets used. So MIME attachments and MIME compliant mailers everywhere are the only long-term answer. In the meantime saving PDF as ASCII-85 together with PKZIP, UUENCODE etc. will increase the chances of your PDF getting through to non-MIME-compliant mailers but they cannot absolutely guarantee it. David Brailsford 8-Dec-1995 14:46:23-GMT,3278;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA26232 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA19776; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:45:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA19675 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:43:00 -0600 From: lloydw@wfu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:44:00 -0400 To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Font question Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: lloydw@wfu.edu Hello all, I read a blurb somewhere in the Adobe literature that when saving a file to Postscript to be distilled later on the same machine, you need NOT include downloadable fonts--Distiller will handle all of the font embedding. I took this to mean that you can save a Pagemaker or Quark file to Postscript WITHOUT including downloadable fonts, then use Distiller to include font subsets. The subsequent PDF file would then be fine for distribution to other machines which may not have the original fonts. Is this correct? I've noticed that by using this method I get smaller PDFs. I presume it's because when I use a single Zapf Dingbat character in a file, the whole font is not included, as it would be if I had included fonts for downloading when creating the Postscript file. P.S. Thanks to those who responded to my question about the 256 color problem. A few of you suggested that Thinkpad and other laptop screens do not display color in the same way cathode ray tube screens do. This is true, but there is even a disparity between a 256-color gif and a 256-color PDF file on the same machine (see below). Another suggestion/comment was that the Windows color pallette reserves 20 or so colors for its own use, and when bringing in a 256-color image, you get your pallette re-mapped and it makes things look odd. This is a problem that folks in the digital video world struggle with fairly often, judging by the messages I've seen on the Qucktime Listserv. This may be what is happening to my PDF files. What I did was perform a little experiment: I took a single RGB image in Photoshop and converted it to a 256-color indexed image (using the Adaptive pallette and Dithered). I then saved this file as a gif and as a tiff. I imported the gif into Powerpoint on the ThinkPad; I put the tiff in Pagemaker (on the Mac side) and output it using PDFwriter with the best jpeg settings. Here's what happened: The gif in Powerpoint displayed exactly as it did on my Mac; The PDF file did not--it looked dithered. This leads me to believe that the pallette is indeed being stomped, but why the gif displayed correctly I haven't a clue. Is it due to the difference between tiff and gif? Powerpoint and PDF? I've tried altering a few of the variables, but the PDF file always comes out looking dithered. I'll be trying a few more experiments and will let you know what happens. Lloyd Whitehead, Assistant Editor Office of Public Affairs Wake Forest University (910)-759-6128 lloydw@wfu.edu 8-Dec-1995 15:47:58-GMT,3882;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA26774 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:47:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20183; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:47:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA20021 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:44:48 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199512081544.KAA10416@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Font question To: lloydw@wfu.edu Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:44:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "lloydw@wfu.edu" at Dec 8, 95 09:44:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I read a blurb somewhere in the Adobe literature that when saving a file to > Postscript to be distilled later on the same machine, you need NOT include > downloadable fonts--Distiller will handle all of the font embedding. > > I took this to mean that you can save a Pagemaker or Quark file to > Postscript WITHOUT including downloadable fonts, then use Distiller to > include font subsets. The subsequent PDF file would then be fine for > distribution to other machines which may not have the original fonts. Is > this correct? Yes. It's explained in the Distiller "Help" document. See "Giving Acrobat Distiller access to fonts". The only trick is to realize that if you want to embed the actual font (rather than using the multiple-master emulator fonts) the Distiller must have access to font, which it can get through one of two methods -- by embedding the font in the PostScript file *or* by telling the Distiller where the font can be found on your system when the file is distilled using the Font Locations dialog box. If the font is found through either of these two techniques -- and font embedding and subsetting are enabled (as they are by default) -- you'll get your font embedded and (depending on the number of glyphs actually needed by the document) subsetted. If the font is *not* found through either of these two techniques the Distiller will look to see if the font metrics are in the Distiller's font database. If so, your document will process without error but the emulator fonts will be used. If none of these conditions is met, Courier is substituted. > I've noticed that by using this method I get smaller PDFs. I presume it's > because when I use a single Zapf Dingbat character in a file, the whole > font is not included, as it would be if I had included fonts for > downloading when creating the Postscript file. I don't think so -- for two reasons. (1) Zapf Dingbats is one of the 14 fonts built into Adobe's Acrobat viewers, and hence it is *never* embedded. (2) Font subsetting works identically whether the font is font in the PostScript data stream or available to the Distiller on the system. If the Distiller uses the metrics from the font database, the file will, of course, be smaller since the font is not embedded at all. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8-Dec-1995 15:56:58-GMT,4597;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA26819 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:56:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA21142; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:56:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA20860 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:54:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 95 09:21:16 cst From: "BRIAN L KELLER" Message-Id: <9511088184.AA818444092@ccmail.monsanto.com> To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, thiersch@ccnet.com Cc: solution@env-sol.com Subject: Re: Easing installation confusion Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "BRIAN L KELLER" I understand your problems regarding installation. I have the same issues facing me. I will share with you what I have done. Some of it may apply, some may not. We have an Acrobat Reader based project which distributes its information via diskettes or on our LAN using a custom installation program which I developed. The setup program was developed using the Wise Installation System. The first thing the installation program does is run a custom program, which I developed using Borland's Delphi, to determine if the Reader is already installed. It makes this determination by checking the Windows registry for a .pdf association. If the Reader is already installed it then just copies the files and sets up an icon to point to the startup PDF file for the project (in the LAN case, the files are already on the LAN so it just sets up the icon). If the Reader is not installed, then the Reader setup program is executed from my setup program and the Reader is installed. My setup program waits for the Reader setup to complete and then makes adjustments to the ACROREAD.INI file regarding things like the default "view" for the Reader. Anyway, hopefully you can see from this rambling that it is possible to write a custom installer that can install the Reader (or Exchange) and then make changes to INI files related to the products. later, Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Easing installation confusion Author: thiersch@ccnet.com at CCGTWINT Date: 12/5/95 1:24 PM To all, One of the biggest problems we have with Acrobat is the area of installing and setting up the indexes on the end-user's PC. We're trying to set up a CD for distribution to a large number of mostly non-techie users; i.e., users who actually want to *use* the information on the CD, not play around with setting up paths, indexes, etc. The Adobe-supplied SETUP for the Reader seems to allow almost no customizing. Since we're primarily targetting Windows users, I'll speak in those terms, although most of these "wish list" issues aren't platform-specific. 1. The Windows Program icon "Working Directory" is set to be the same as the just-installed ACROEXCH directory. Since all of our PDFs and PDX files are on the CD, this makes almost no sense. The SETUP script should have a parameter to set the "Working Directory" to the root of the CD, or to some other prompted directory. 2. All of the values available in the Exchange Edit / Preferences settings should be exposed during setup, with default values supplied by the ACROINST.INI file. For example, our users will almost always be locating their documents with Search, so it would be nice to be able to suppress the "Display Open Dialog at Startup" (General Preferences). Similarly, the default magnification, viewing of bookmarks, etc. should be customizable as part of the SETUP process. 3. Is there a way to automatically launch the Search engine at startup? 4. The SETUP script should allow us to pre-select all of the indexes (i.e., fill in the INDEX-n values in ACROSRCH.INI) so that the user doesn't have to go through the laborious process of Adding each index to the list of candidate indexes. 5. All of the above-described "customization" should be portable and applicable to every Acrobat platform, which is why I'd like to stay within the capabilities of the Adobe-supplied installation procedures. So, does anyone have any answers/suggestions/cures for any of the above? Thanks in advance for any help, Tom Thiersch SOLUTIONS Software Corp. thiersch@ccnet.com 8-Dec-1995 21:54:53-GMT,2471;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA00684 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:54:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA22608; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:51:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA22532 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:48:00 -0600 From: BLKELL@ccmail.monsanto.com X400-Originator: BLKELL@ccmail.monsanto.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=MONSANTO/ADMD=MCI/C=US/;0016700001024793000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0016700001024793000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)owner-pdf-l(a)grandcanyon.binc.net" , " - (052)PDF-L(a)emrg.com" Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:53:20 -0600 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: BLKELL@ccmail.monsanto.com First, I'll assume you are referring to sending internet mail. If so, depending on the type of mail servers (e.g. MIME) which your mail flows through you will have random success and failure in sending any files which contain binary data. About the only thing which will work for sure(but which is not particularly convenient) is to UUENCODE the message prior to sending it and the have the recipient UUDECODE the message when they receive it. I hope this helps. later, Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Author: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net at INTERNET Date: 12/7/95 2:45 PM Greetings all, I'm trying to set up an email distribution system for a bimonthly newsletter. The newsletter is created in (MAC) pagemaker and then distilled into a pdf file (approx. 484K) with Adobe Acrobat. The problem lies with emailing it. Subscribers who use the same email software as I do (Eudora) can open it just fine. Those using other types of email (especially non-MAC stuff) can't open it with their Acrobat Reader. They get an error message saying the file doesn't start with %PDF. Apparently I need to encode the thing so that it's transferred as ASCII rather than binary. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do this? My subscribers use a wide variety of platforms (mac, pc, sun). -- Diana 9-Dec-1995 1:50:59-GMT,1198;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA02700 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:50:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24051; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:50:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA23780 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:42:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:41:16 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Kelly To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Acrobat logo as a button on a web page Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Kelly I am planning a web distribution of pdf files of one of our journals and would like to use the Acrobat logo as a button on a web page. The text with the button will tell the reader that clicking on the button will cause a pdf file of the article to be down loaded. Does any one know who in Adobe I need to get permission from to do this? Bob Kelly 9-Dec-1995 2:13:09-GMT,5233;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA02834 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA24282; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:12:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA24196 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:09:31 -0600 From: rusty_speidel@kcj.ccmail.compuserve.com Date: 08 Dec 95 21:06:54 EST To: , Cc: Subject: Re[2]: Font question Message-ID: <951209020653_702420.204300_BHD38-55@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rusty_speidel@kcj.ccmail.compuserve.com Anyone having any problems printing from the HP LaserJet, using standard Helvetica fonts? Every time I try to print a PDF from my PC, it just churns indefinitely, until I finally have to cancel. Interestingly, I can cut and paste the desired text into Word and print it from there, but the fonts get really big (29 points) and the formatting is lost. Cheers, Rusty Speidel _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Font question Author: INTERNET:whitehou@wharton.upenn.edu Date: 12/8/95 10:51 AM Sender: owner-pdf-l@grandcanyon.binc.net Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA29748; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:48:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20073; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:45:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA20021 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:44:48 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199512081544.KAA10416@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Font question To: lloydw@wfu.edu Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:44:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "lloydw@wfu.edu" at Dec 8, 95 09:44:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2833 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse > I read a blurb somewhere in the Adobe literature that when saving a file to > Postscript to be distilled later on the same machine, you need NOT include > downloadable fonts--Distiller will handle all of the font embedding. > > I took this to mean that you can save a Pagemaker or Quark file to > Postscript WITHOUT including downloadable fonts, then use Distiller to > include font subsets. The subsequent PDF file would then be fine for > distribution to other machines which may not have the original fonts. Is > this correct? Yes. It's explained in the Distiller "Help" document. See "Giving Acrobat Distiller access to fonts". The only trick is to realize that if you want to embed the actual font (rather than using the multiple-master emulator fonts) the Distiller must have access to font, which it can get through one of two methods -- by embedding the font in the PostScript file *or* by telling the Distiller where the font can be found on your system when the file is distilled using the Font Locations dialog box. If the font is found through either of these two techniques -- and font embedding and subsetting are enabled (as they are by default) -- you'll get your font embedded and (depending on the number of glyphs actually needed by the document) subsetted. If the font is *not* found through either of these two techniques the Distiller will look to see if the font metrics are in the Distiller's font database. If so, your document will process without error but the emulator fonts will be used. If none of these conditions is met, Courier is substituted. > I've noticed that by using this method I get smaller PDFs. I presume it's > because when I use a single Zapf Dingbat character in a file, the whole > font is not included, as it would be if I had included fonts for > downloading when creating the Postscript file. I don't think so -- for two reasons. (1) Zapf Dingbats is one of the 14 fonts built into Adobe's Acrobat viewers, and hence it is *never* embedded. (2) Font subsetting works identically whether the font is font in the PostScript data stream or available to the Distiller on the system. If the Distiller uses the metrics from the font database, the file will, of course, be smaller since the font is not embedded at all. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9-Dec-1995 3:20:20-GMT,1875;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA03073 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:20:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA24734; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:20:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA24654 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:15:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:14:25 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: lcnd@intacc.net (LC&D Internet Publishing) Subject: Re: Acrobat logo as a button on a web page Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: lcnd@intacc.net (LC&D Internet Publishing) >I am planning a web distribution of pdf files of one of our journals >and would like to use the Acrobat logo as a button on a web page. The >text with the button will tell the reader that clicking on the button >will cause a pdf file of the article to be down loaded. Does any one know >who in Adobe I need to get permission from to do this? > >Bob Kelly You don't need special permission to use the Acrobat logo to designate your PDF files. Adobe makes them available on their site - on a page called _Serving PDF on the Web_ I can't seem to track down the URL. They have three icons: a small, medium, and large version. all are 7K GIF files I can email them to you if you give me the word. Mark ____________________________________________________________ Mark Leahy, President *** Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA *** LC&D Internet Publishing *** lcnd@ottawa.net *** http://www.ottawa.net/~lcnd/ Publisher: Where To Go on the Internet: USENET and alt. Newsgroups 10-Dec-1995 0:03:16-GMT,1760;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA08160 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28866; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:01:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA28767 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:55:05 -0600 X-Sender: jking@neon (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:55:30 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jking@adobe.com (James C. King) Subject: E-mailing pdf Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jking@adobe.com (James C. King) Small correction to David Brailsford's note about getting PDF files through mail systems: the ASCII85 used in PDF files causes a 5 for 4 expansion in byte size not 2 for 1 as stated. One common technique is to encode binary data as two hex digits per byte and that does give a 2 for 1 expansion. That is not what is used in PDF. We have some experience that a pure ASCII PDF file actually has worse luck in the network than one that clearly has binary data in it. Some software senses the binary and treats it more carefully. The problem with ASCII data seems to be that some programs it encounters on a net feel free to insert or delete blanks, insert carriage returns or line feed and other things that might not affect a reader reading text but really upset a program trying to understand a file byte for byte. Uuencoding and Mime are the best solutions we have found. Jim King Adobe Systems Incorporated 10-Dec-1995 1:05:57-GMT,1669;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA08351 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:05:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29247; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:04:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA29119 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:00:34 -0600 From: w2jc@ritz.mordor.com (-) Newsgroups: pdf-L.list To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 18:23:49 -0500 Reply-To: w2jc@ritz.mordor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.88 with YES 0.20 Lines: 17 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: w2jc@ritz.mordor.com (-) On Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:26:52 -0500 in pdf-L.list article: molbiodr@showme.missouri.edu (Ranly) wrote: ^ Apparently I need to encode the thing so that it's transferred as ASCII ^ rather than binary. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do this? ^ My subscribers use a wide variety of platforms (mac, pc, sun). Most modern functional email software provides for 'attaching' files using the internet-standard MIME protocol -- which can then be decoded in the receiver's email software. It is quite seamless when set up right. -- ********************** Jim Cooper w2jc@ritz.mordor.com ********************** A friend in need is a pest indeed. 11-Dec-1995 11:49:57-GMT,2206;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA17028 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 04:49:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA02971; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 05:34:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA02871 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 05:25:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199512111124.FAA23928@glacier.binc.net> To: lloydw@wfu.edu cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Image quality (again) In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 08 Dec 95 09:44:00 -0400. Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:21:47 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith Lloyd, in your message of Fri, 08 Dec 95 09:44:00 -0400 you said: >imported the gif into Powerpoint on the ThinkPad; I put the tiff in >Pagemaker (on the Mac side) and output it using PDFwriter with the best >jpeg settings. Here's what happened: The gif in Powerpoint displayed >exactly as it did on my Mac; The PDF file did not--it looked dithered. This A couple of points spring to mind. First, for the best possible image quality, the "best jpeg setting" is none at all, since any amount of JPEG compression degrades the image. Second, I believe Acrobat does some dithering to emulate the "right" colour using those actually available in the palette. It certainly does this for "spot colour", and if it also does it for images, this would explain the effects you observe. This might help if it's correct :-) Phil. p.s. Putting it another way, I believe Acrobat behaves like Netscape in "Dither to Color Cube" mode, whereas Powerpoint is probably more like Netscape's "Use Closest Color in Color Cube" mode. Horses for courses, but maybe there should be an option in Acrobat. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 11-Dec-1995 11:49:57-GMT,2206;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA17028 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 04:49:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA02971; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 05:34:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA02871 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 05:25:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199512111124.FAA23928@glacier.binc.net> To: lloydw@wfu.edu cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Image quality (again) In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 08 Dec 95 09:44:00 -0400. Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:21:47 +0000 From: Phil Smith Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Phil Smith Lloyd, in your message of Fri, 08 Dec 95 09:44:00 -0400 you said: >imported the gif into Powerpoint on the ThinkPad; I put the tiff in >Pagemaker (on the Mac side) and output it using PDFwriter with the best >jpeg settings. Here's what happened: The gif in Powerpoint displayed >exactly as it did on my Mac; The PDF file did not--it looked dithered. This A couple of points spring to mind. First, for the best possible image quality, the "best jpeg setting" is none at all, since any amount of JPEG compression degrades the image. Second, I believe Acrobat does some dithering to emulate the "right" colour using those actually available in the palette. It certainly does this for "spot colour", and if it also does it for images, this would explain the effects you observe. This might help if it's correct :-) Phil. p.s. Putting it another way, I believe Acrobat behaves like Netscape in "Dither to Color Cube" mode, whereas Powerpoint is probably more like Netscape's "Use Closest Color in Color Cube" mode. Horses for courses, but maybe there should be an option in Acrobat. ----------------------------< Philip N. Smith >---------------------------- pns@cs.nott.ac.uk http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~pns/ +44 115 951 4230 Dept. of Computer Science, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK 11-Dec-1995 15:35:14-GMT,3140;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA18063 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03638; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:20:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA03578 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:18:00 -0600 X-Sender: fharri@mailhost.osa.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:18:02 -0500 To: David F Brailsford From: fharri@osa.org (Frank E. Harris) Subject: Re: E-mailing pdf Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fharri@osa.org (Frank E. Harris) We have been trying, essentially, the technique you describe, for receiving e-mail submissions from authors. We find that we cannot decode these "Base64" attachments. We are really in a bind, because we are receiving them and we cannot use them. The binhexed files are coming throiugh fine. Incidentally, binhex is essentially base 16 encoding, so it is very inefficient in terms of file size, but reliable and easy to decode. >> Apparently I need to encode the thing so that it's transferred as ASCII >> rather than binary. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do this? >> My subscribers use a wide variety of platforms (mac, pc, sun). > >> -- Diana > >I have a long explanatory file on this issue which I sent to "pdf-l" >about a month ago. I won't repeat it here but am happy to e-mail it to >anyone who wants the full background story of why it is so difficult >to be 100% sure that PDF will transmit accurately over e-mail. > > But briefly: PDF generally will contain binary material and the >only safe way to transmit this robustly via e-mail is (perversely) to >encode the binary content of the file as 2-byte ascii. When you save a >PDF file in ASCII form this is exactly what happens. The stuff in >the file that is already ascii (eg. PDF keywords like "stream" and "obj") >go over "as is" but the binary stuff maps every binary byte into two >ASCII bytes using an 85-character subset of ASCII. > Unfortunately this 85 character subset is not quite fireproof >against all possible mailer nasties. There *is* a totally safe subset of >ASCII which is a 64-character subset. When you send stuff as binary via >MIME-compliant mailers it is this ASCII-64 which gets used. So MIME >attachments and MIME compliant mailers everywhere are the only long-term >answer. In the meantime saving PDF as ASCII-85 together with >PKZIP, UUENCODE etc. will increase the chances of your PDF getting through >to non-MIME-compliant mailers but they cannot absolutely guarantee it. > >David Brailsford -- Frank E. Harris fharri@osa.org Optical Society of America fharris@aip.org 2010 Massachusetts AVE NW Phone - 202-416-1904 Washington, DC 20036-1023 http://www.osa.org 12-Dec-1995 4:03:12-GMT,1520;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA25938 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:03:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA05725; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:01:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA05638 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:57:29 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:08:50 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: PDF User Guide for 'Search for CD-ROM' posted Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss Anyone interested in publishing on CD-ROM with Acrobat will be interested in a new PDF file posted today to the EMERGE web site . Uploaded with permission of Adobe Systems, this document provides detailed information about the new "Search for CD-ROM" product as well as tips for publishing Acrobat on disc. Please feel free to redistribute this information in appropriate places. Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 Email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 12-Dec-1995 4:04:12-GMT,1378;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA25944 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:04:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA05823; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:03:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA05714 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:01:11 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:12:29 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: TranZform User Guide on web site Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss With permission from Vertec, we have today made available from the "Downloadable Software" page on the EMERGE web site a user guide and help file (an 800k PDF file) for creating forms with the TranZform evaluation software, also available on our site. Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 Email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 12-Dec-1995 4:27:19-GMT,1291;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA26038 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:27:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06002; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:25:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA05943 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:23:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:23:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199512120423.UAA26550@Alpha.creditnet.com> X-Sender: markm@creditnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kurt Foss , pdf-l@emrg.com From: markm@creditnet.com (Mark Muchnick) Subject: Status on PDF work Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: markm@creditnet.com (Mark Muchnick) Kurt & John: What is the status with the Orchard Bankcard applications I sent you last week to convert into PDF files? If you are unable to get the work done by Thurs I have a local service bureau (Speedy Printing) that gives me 24 hour turnaround. My client is wondering where the pdf file is. Thanks for a quick response Mark Muchnick Credit Card Network (206) 933-1140 12-Dec-1995 8:49:56-GMT,1420;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA27986 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 01:49:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA07560; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:47:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA07501 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:44:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:44:17 +1000 Message-Id: <199512120844.SAA28903@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Reatining links within a PDF document after editing Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater Good evening I'll paint the scenario: I have a document in Word 6, I PDF it and setup links to a number of other documents. I then update my source document & PDF that. Question : How do I maintain the links I set previously. Is there a package that allows/aids this? Cheers Aaron Goldwater Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Members of the HTML Writers Guild Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 12-Dec-1995 15:52:29-GMT,1714;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA29785 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:52:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08617; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:47:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08542 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:40:33 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:42:10 -0600 (MDT) From: "Jeff Hansen, Data/Document Specialist (303)939-0321" Subject: Re: MIME Decoding of PDF files (and others) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: <01HYPPIXOJPE0005N9@CAUSE.COLORADO.EDU> X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com X-VMS-To: IN%"pdf-l@emrg.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Jeff Hansen, Data/Document Specialist (303)939-0321" I operate in a MAC environment with a VMS STMP mail system that CAN automatically translate MIME files but, for reasons I won't go into, we have the auto-decode feature turned off. I use a shareware product called MPACK that seems to do a passable job of decoding MIME encoded files I receive. The trick to making it work, I've found, is to cut off the mail header and footers before decoding. If I don't do that, the file is unreadable by this decoder. I'm not sure what happens in the PC world, but I'm sure that a similar product exists. Jeff Hansen Data/Document Specialist CAUSE jhansen@cause.colorado.edu http://cause-www.colorado.edu/staff/hansen/jeff.html 12-Dec-1995 23:31:12-GMT,3318;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA04623 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:30:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA09988; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:23:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA09894 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:20:03 -0600 Date: 13 Dec 95 10:18:12 +1000 From: Troy Reid Subject: RE>Re: Netscape v2 plugin To: "John-Henry Gross, Adobe Systems" CC: "Peter Marks, Apple Australia" , "PDF-L@emrg.com" Message-ID: <951213.101812@bluestone.com.au> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Troy Reid Hi John, I have a few more questions if you do not mind. Will Amber be the required plug-in software to enable Netscape to display= PDF files in-line? Or is Amber intended to replace Netscape altogether? Is there a white paper on Amber? I also understand the first beta release is available for Windows OS only= . Likewise, Macromedia have only released the Windows version of its Shoc= kWave plug-in and Java is also not available for MacOS yet. Was this a st= rategic decision on Adobe's behalf based on market share of OS platform, = or has it to do with programming difficulties with MacOS or human resourc= es at Adobe? (comment: I thought the core technologies implemented by App= le at the OS level - such as Quicktime's JPEG decompression on the fly, C= olourSync, TCP/IP protocol stack, to name a few - would have made program= ming much easier?) If you have not guessed already, I am an anxious Mac Systems Integrator a= nnoyed with software publishers that have forsaken the 'supposedly' utopi= c Multimedia platform. For my MacOS based company this translates into a = fundamental business disadvantage from our Wintel based competitors. Troy Reid Bluestone Media Systems Manager 85 King William Street Fitzroy 3065 Australia Ph (613) 9419 9877 -------------------------------------- Date: 9/12/95 8:07 AM To: Troy Reid From: budapest.ozonline.com.au!mv.us Adobe Systems is working on the next version of both Acrobat Reader=20= and Acrobat Exchange under the code name Amber. The first posting of= =20 the beta should be available in the next few weeks. The final produc= t=20 is scheduled for first half of 96. The Reader will still be free and= =20 the Exchange version will have a cost. =20 John-Henry Gross Adobe Systems Inc. ______________________________ Reply Separator __________________________= _______ Subject: Netscape v2 plugin Author: Troy Reid at cc_smtp5 Date: 12/8/95 10:28 AM Does anyone know who is developing the Netscape v2 (mac) plugin for Acrob= at PDF files? When will it be avaliable? How will it be distributed? What= will it cost? 13-Dec-1995 14:36:20-GMT,1762;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA10381 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 07:36:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13949; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:34:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA13849 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:27:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199512131426.IAA24750@glacier.binc.net> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 07:55:48 -0600 X-Sender: lavonna@pigeon X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: lffunkhouser@halnet.com (LaVonna Funkhouser) Subject: Re: Retaining links with a PDF Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: lffunkhouser@halnet.com (LaVonna Funkhouser) Aaron Goldwater wrote: >I have a document in Word 6, I PDF it and setup links to a number of other >documents. I then update my source document & PDF that. > >Question : How do I maintain the links I set previously. Is there a package >that allows/aids this? It has been my experience that if you PDF a page and save it as a different name, then use the Edit>Page>Replace feature, then your links/articles/notes and other features of the "Acrobat layer" (my term) are retained while showing the newly edited content. LaVonna Seasoned Greenbeans! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LaVonna F. Funkhouser lffunkhouser@halnet.com (work) STC OK Chapter Imm. Past Pres. employee of COREComm http://www.corecomm.com/corecomm/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My opinions do not officially represent anyone other than little ol' me. 13-Dec-1995 15:42:20-GMT,1569;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA10927 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA14199; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:40:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14138 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:37:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199512131537.AA07709@hoover.gilbarco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:02:26 -0500 From: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) Subject: Experience with Re:Mark ? To: PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir) I recently heard about a product called Re:Mark from Software Partners, Inc. It allows users to annoate PDF documents (eg, for review process). Does anyone have any experience with this product? As an alternative to Exchange maybe? +---------------------------------------------------------+ Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com +---------------------------------------------------------+ DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. "If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the opposite of CON...." 13-Dec-1995 16:47:17-GMT,2107;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA11657 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:47:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14631; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:27:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14574 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:25:20 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:35:52 -0600 To: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir), PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: Re: Experience with Re:Mark ? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss Rick et al, A demo of Re:Mark is available at: http://www.emrg.com/down_sfwe.html While there, you might also want to check out our main home page and download the official User Guide for the new Search for CD-ROM product -- provided by Adobe -- in PDF format. Rgds ~ Kurt >--- At 10:02 AM 12/13/95, Rick Sapir wrote: >I recently heard about a product called Re:Mark from Software >Partners, Inc. It allows users to annoate PDF documents (eg, for >review process). Does anyone have any experience with this >product? As an alternative to Exchange maybe? > > >+---------------------------------------------------------+ > Rick Sapir Gilbarco, Inc. > Technical Communicator Greensboro, NC > Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com >+---------------------------------------------------------+ >DISCLAIMER: Speaking for no one but myself. > >"If PRO is the opposite of CON, then PROGRESS is the > opposite of CON...." ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com/ ---<<#>>--- 13-Dec-1995 16:49:31-GMT,2020;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA11710 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:49:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14425; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:11:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14366 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:09:08 -0600 From: djh@arinc.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:03:48 -0500 To: rick_sapir@gilbarco.com (Rick Sapir), PDF-L@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Subject: Re: Experience with Re:Mark ? Message-Id: <95Dec13.110843est.30742@interlock.arinc.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: djh@arinc.com Rick_Sapir@gilbarco.com writes: > I recently heard about a product called Re:Mark from Software > Partners, Inc. It allows users to annoate PDF documents (eg, for > review process). Does anyone have any experience with this > product? As an alternative to Exchange maybe? Rick: I know a little bit about Re:Mark, having seen it demonstrated, and I'm considering purchasing it. It looks like a great tool for online review of PDF documents. And it's got a couple of other nice features, including the ability to copy text from a table in a PDF document and paste it intelligently into a spreadsheet and the ability to write RTF directly from a PDF file. It's important to note that Re:Mark works in CONJUNCTION with Acrobat Exchange, and thus can't be a replacement for it. This is one of the stumbling blocks to implementing Re:Mark as a review tool at my company. We're happy to "pay the price" for the Acrobat Reader (free...) but the cost of Exchange is too high. I understand from a recent marketing blurb I got from Software Partners that documents annoted via Re:Mark can be viewed with their annotations in the Reader, but that's not enough for me, yet. Good luck! David Hancock | dhancock@arinc.com 13-Dec-1995 18:04:53-GMT,2460;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA12476 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:04:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15017; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:47:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA14948 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:44:37 -0600 MR-Received: by mta MAI01.MUAS; Relayed; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:43:36 +0000 MR-Received: by mta MAI01B; Relayed; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:43:37 +0000 MR-Received: by mta MCDEV1; Relayed; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:43:39 +0000 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:43:36 +0000 (GMT) From: TURNER GRETCHEN A Subject: Re: Experience with Re:Mark ? In-reply-to: <199512131537.AA07709@hoover.gilbarco.com> To: "owner-pdf-l@emrg.com" , "PDF-L@emrg.com" , "acrobat@blueworld.com" Message-id: <8036431213121995/A24650/MAI01B/119C6B2B2300*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: low Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 119C6B2B2300 X400-MTS-identifier: [;8036431213121995/A24650/MAI01B] Hop-count: 2 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: TURNER GRETCHEN A >I recently heard about a product called Re:Mark from Software >Partners, Inc. It allows users to annoate PDF documents (eg, for >review process). Does anyone have any experience with this >product? As an alternative to Exchange maybe? I am sure the Software Partners guys will be all over this one. My experience with Re:Mark is that it is an Exchange plug-in which allows additional types of annotations besides the default Post-It(tm) notes. Examples are highlighting, redlining, underlining, voice, ink drawing, pop-up boxes, etc. Other files can be attached to the document, using the graphic of a tack. One of the things I really like in Re:Mark is the ability to copy table text to the clipboard so that the text could be pasted into a spreadsheet package with no reformatting necessary. However, in order for someone to be able to use these annotations, they also need the Re:Mark software. Gretchen Turner turner@lilly.com 13-Dec-1995 18:25:52-GMT,2126;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA12656 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:25:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA15195; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:05:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15148 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:04:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:04:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199512131804.MAA18996@glacier.binc.net> X-Sender: kschmidt@buckaroo.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Karl Schmidtmann Subject: Viewing Re:mark annotations Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Karl Schmidtmann I will leave the discussion of the usefulness of Re:mark to others, but will clarify issues of functionality. Re:mark V1.1 (currently available for Windows, the Mac version should ship in a week or so) has the option of embedding annotations into the PDF document. Once embedded, the annotations can be seen with any Acrobat viewer, including the Reader. Re:mark is not then needed on the local machine. Karl Schmidtmann Software Partners kschmidtmann@buckaroo.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I am sure the Software Partners guys will be all over this one. My experience with Re:Mark is that it is an Exchange plug-in which allows additional types of annotations besides the default Post-It(tm) notes. Examples are highlighting, redlining, underlining, voice, ink drawing, pop-up boxes, etc. Other files can be attached to the document, using the graphic of a tack. One of the things I really like in Re:Mark is the ability to copy table text to the clipboard so that the text could be pasted into a spreadsheet package with no reformatting necessary. However, in order for someone to be able to use these annotations, they also need the Re:Mark software. Gretchen Turner turner@lilly.com 14-Dec-1995 3:00:14-GMT,1417;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id UAA17178 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:00:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA17727; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:57:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA17649 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:54:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:53:09 +1000 Message-Id: <199512140253.MAA24935@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Netscape Vers 2 & PDF - anyone tested it. Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater We are looking to see if anyone has anything to say about Netscape Vers 2 & PDF. How does it work? Are there any problems - if so what are they??????? Do Frames within Vers 2 upset PDF files. Is there anything special we need to know regarding PDF to work with Vers 2. Thanks Aaron Goldwater Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Members of the HTML Writers Guild Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 14-Dec-1995 5:48:00-GMT,1866;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA17997 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:47:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA18443; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:45:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA18390 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:43:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 00:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Aaron Goldwater From: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) Subject: Re: A very Merry & Safe Xmas to All Cc: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) Aaron: A happy holiday season to you. Sorry it's so unseasonably brown down there. We expect snow tonight, about three inches of moist, snowman-snow. We could use a couple of your leftover coals for nose and a grin. Cheers, John >We would like to wish evryone a very Merry Xmas, and to my Jewish Bretheren >a Happy Chanuka, and A Safecelebration, thank you for all the help that has >been provided to us & we look forward to being able to contribute to others >in 1996. > >All those suffering those cold temperatures, well we'll think of you as we >put another prawn on the barbacue, crack a chilled bottle of Chardonnay or >throw back an icy cold beer. > >Take good care and Seasons best from us here at Qmail, and from all of us >Down Under in the Land of Oz > >Aaron Goldwater > >Qmail >PO Box 363 >Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 > >Members of the HTML Writers Guild > >Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 >email: qmail@powerup.com.au 15-Dec-1995 1:13:55-GMT,1437;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA26842 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:13:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA30321; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:12:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA30189 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:02:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:00:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199512150100.TAA05811@sky.net> X-Sender: brud@sky.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: PDF-L@emrg.com From: Brud Jones Subject: Amber is Available Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brud Jones I have just installed the beta release of amber from Adobe's Web site and it is fantastic. It appears to have been made available this afternoon. Unfortunately it is only available for Windows 95 and NT. _______________________________________________________________ Brud Jones Phone: (816)421-0683 Corporate Document Systems Fax: (816)474-1237 913 Baltimore Voice Mail: (816)840-4755 Kansas City, MO 64105 Pager: (816)691-9969 Email: brud@irin.com brud@sky.net 15-Dec-1995 1:31:09-GMT,4261;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA26958 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA30536; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:30:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA30461 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:28:27 -0600 From: pdeziel@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 17:22:36 PST Message-Id: <9511148189.AA818990796@bermuda.mv.us.adobe.com> To: tmartin@usa.net, acrobat@blueworld.com, somogyi@digmedia.com, pdf-l@emrg.com, dwiner@well.com, clive@typonaut.demon.co.uk, bill@skeet.com, ggernnert@emrg.com, jcook@emrg.com, OURX134@deere.com, snake@inetnebr.com Subject: Acrobat "Amber" Reader posted on www.adobe.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: pdeziel@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems, Inc. is pleased to announce that the first release of the "Amber" version of the Acrobat Reader is posted on Adobe's Web site at http://www.adobe.com/Amber. Adobe Acrobat "Amber" is the codename for an update to Acrobat Reader with several great new features to deliver optimized performance on the Internet: - For seamless integration with web browsers - For speedy, page-at-a-time display You can download a pre-release Windows 95 or Windows NT version of the Amber Reader to try out the new features and see optimized PDF in action on the Web. Quick Summary of new features: - Integration with Web browsers like Netscape Navigator 2.0 to allow PDF files to be viewed seamlessly within the browser window. - A new way to optimize PDF files for delivery on the Internet or online services. Instead of waiting for the whole PDF file to be downloaded, you view the document a page at a time. - Navigation among PDF, HTML, and other web content transparently by integrating with Netscape's navigation functions -- Go Back, etc. - PDF embedded in HTML pages. - Progressive display of the PDF file, so you see the text first, then images, then embedded fonts. - Font blitting -- when viewed over the web, embedded fonts display first as substitution fonts while the embedded outline is retrieved then "blitted" onscreen for absolute fidelity. - Antialiased text for crisper onscreen viewing. - Dockable Toolbar - New views -- continuous scrolling and 2-up pages. A bit of detail: There are four pieces to the Acrobat on the Internet picture: - The Amber Reader for integrated viewing over the web. - Web servers that can "byteserve" PDF files a page at a time to the Amber Reader. - Optimized PDF files for progressive display and maximum file compression. - Weblinks to connect your PDF files to other content on the web. Any nonoptimized PDF file can be viewed in the Netscape window (without page-at-a-time display) with the Amber Reader and Netscape Navigator 2.0 version B3 or better. Page-at-a-time display requires a web server with byteserver capability, either built-in (as with the Netscape and Open Market server products) or as a CGI script. Adobe plans to freely distribute the CGI script when it is finalized. Best viewing performance (page-at-a-time display and progressive rendering) for PDF documents over the web comes from optimized PDF files and a server with the ability to byteserve the files. The optimized PDF format and byteserver protocol are not yet final, so we have provided a set of demonstration files on Adobe's server to allow you to test the page-at-a-time performance for yourself. See for yourself how Cool PDFs Get Even Cooler. Lots more info, FAQs etc. on the web... Enjoy, Pam Deziel Acrobat Product Marketing Adobe Systems, Inc. 15-Dec-1995 12:32:40-GMT,1464;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA00984 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 05:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA00558; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 06:31:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA00474 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 06:28:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 07:28:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199512151228.HAA02130@freenet.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Amber release Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) Pam Deziel's derscription of Amber is very impressive, though I am more than a little disappointed because it looks like Adobe is going to completely abandon the community that uses the Mac OS. She mentions nothing about a Mac version for Amber even though the whole point of Acrobat was cross-platform operation! And so far as I know there is still not a Mac version of Capture. Very sad. John Matthews -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS Geological Survey of Canada and Ohana Productions matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 15-Dec-1995 13:33:05-GMT,1843;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA01182 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 06:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA00883; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 07:32:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA00831 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 07:30:44 -0600 Message-Id: <9512151327.AA20210@sirius.wi.whu-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Face: .Ap+Z`I,RA9o3)"UCIz5<#.miUqM<-$Aj$`sM8\.u&)/bGLRRHL0ic/O5k#9'"s2;[`(M;hw x%fB[b:a%T/mg-#O8U|,RW3M'2@yK2C0=hl4*_N:gQ!ssMRYE!*QMxGat+eL}`sdH.;(tvnP fqXHc>DhyO In-Reply-To: <199512151228.HAA02130@freenet.carleton.ca> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) From: Wolfgang Roeckelein Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 14:27:05 +0100 To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca Subject: Re: Amber release Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com References: <199512151228.HAA02130@freenet.carleton.ca> X-Url: http://www.whu-koblenz.de/~wolfgang/ Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Wolfgang Roeckelein af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) wrote: > Pam Deziel's derscription of Amber is very impressive, though I am more than > a little disappointed because it looks like Adobe is going to completely > abandon the community that uses the Mac OS. She mentions nothing about a Mac > version for Amber even though the whole point of Acrobat was cross-platform > operation! And so far as I know there is still not a Mac version of Capture. > Very sad. I can second this. Adobe can cancel the cross-platform advertising if they continue like this... Unix is also missing! Wolfgang 15-Dec-1995 15:28:21-GMT,1287;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA01817 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 08:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01301; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:13:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA01229 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:10:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199512151506.AA15766@vnet.net> To: "pdf-l@emrg.com" Subject: Development of TranZform for Mac. Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 10:00:36 -0500 From: Tony Chang X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Tony Chang -- [ From: Tony Chang * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- Hi all, TranZform for Mac. is currently under active development; we are expecting to release in the 1st quarter of 1996. The Mac. version will included all the existing features plus some exciting new features =) Regards, Tony -- ===================================== Tony Chang Engineering Department VerTec Solutions, Inc. 910-855-9555 internet:tchang@vertec.com compuserve: 74403, 1664 ===================================== 15-Dec-1995 18:34:59-GMT,2173;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA03735 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:34:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01914; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:34:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA01839 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:31:56 -0600 From: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 13:07:48 PST Message-Id: <9511158190.AA819052221@fourseas.mv.us.adobe.com> Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Order of Amber release platforms Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: gcosimin@mv.us.adobe.com All: Adobe is certainly not abandoning anyone. The current release of Amber is a very early beta and will be followed by other platforms as part of the normal development and testing cycle, including the Unixes. There are limits to what can be done within any development organizations' resources, and a fairly stable product that works for one platform is certainly preferable to three or four betas full of bugs, in my opinion. That said, I personally wish that the first version had been on Macintosh, but I think Netscape's development pace was the primary gating item. Gary Cosimini Adobe NY _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Amber release From: Wolfgang Roeckelein at cc_smtp2 Date: 12/15/95 2:27 PM af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) wrote: > Pam Deziel's derscription of Amber is very impressive, though I am more than > a little disappointed because it looks like Adobe is going to completely > abandon the community that uses the Mac OS. She mentions nothing about a Mac > version for Amber even though the whole point of Acrobat was cross-platform > operation! And so far as I know there is still not a Mac version of Capture. > Very sad. I can second this. Adobe can cancel the cross-platform advertising if they continue like this... Unix is also missing! Wolfgang 15-Dec-1995 18:42:42-GMT,1294;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA03824 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:42:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02083; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:42:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA02024 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:40:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:38:30 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pdf-l@emrg.com CC: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <951215183830.20c05aa0@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Amber Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Gary: >That said, I personally wish that the first version had been on Macintosh, but >I think Netscape's development pace was the primary gating item. And those of us on the other side of the Atlantic wish that the bit of wet string which links us together was considerably more robust, because trying to get a copy is like fishing for a whale with a bent pin and cotton (you spend all day trying to hook it, then the line breaks!). ** Phil. 15-Dec-1995 19:37:35-GMT,2229;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA04311 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:37:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02496; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:36:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA02429 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:34:11 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2b9.32.19951215193417.00bfc700@pop3.interramp.com> X-Sender: pp001852@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2b9 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:34:17 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Langston James Goree VI Subject: Amber ... veeerry nice! Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Langston James Goree VI PDFers; Amber is the slickest Netscape add-in around! There were always two big drawbacks in serving PDF out of a WWW site: 1) downloading PDF always had to wait for the whole file to come in; 2) then the browser had to find Reader as a helper file, load it up and call in the PDF document... in a second window. I'm particularly impressed by Amber's ability to request a single page, allowing you to load the index page of the large PDF document and then, for instance, page 14 by clicking on the View link in the index. The PDF document loads seamlessly into the Netscape window with the familiar Reader tool bar under the Netscape directory or location buttons. So, when is the optimizing tool going to be available so we can start serving out files for Amber from our Netscape server? applause Kimo * Langston James Goree VI (Kimo) * * Managing Editor, Earth Negotiations Bulletin / Programme Officer * * International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD) * * E-mail: kimo@pipeline.com Tel: +1 212 644 0204 Fax: +1 212 644 0206 * * WWW Homepage: http://www.iisd.ca/linkages/kimo/kimo.html * * Internet phone: Private topic on iphone.interramp.com 9-6 EST * 16-Dec-1995 2:22:02-GMT,2505;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA07370 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 19:21:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA23287; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:20:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA21212 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:15:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199512160226.LAA08262@gol1.gol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:04:30 +0900 From: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) Subject: Re: Amber release Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: roger@gol.com (Roger D. Williams) John Matthews lamented: > Pam Deziel's derscription of Amber is very impressive, though I am > more than a little disappointed because it looks like Adobe is going to > completely abandon the community that uses the Mac OS. She mentions > nothing about a Mac version for Amber even though the whole point of > Acrobat was cross-platform operation! And so far as I know there is still > not a Mac version of Capture. Very sad. And I must agree. Although I'm a member of the majority that uses IBM PCs MACs have a larger share of the market here in Japan than they do elsewhere, and I can't push PDF as a cross-platform solution to electronic publishing needs and web documention until it works on both systems (not to mention UNIX for the workstation people). That's not to denigrate Amber, though. It looks like a great product, and the price is certainly right. Loading a page at a time in Netscape is great for those with slower access to the Internet. Presumably we will be getting upgraded versions of Distiller to do the necessary optimizing of the PDF files to take advantage of the new capabilities. And while I'm on the subject of complaints about Adobe's support of Acrobat users, when are the dual-byte versions of Acrobat/Exchange that would support Japanese/Korean/Chinese, etc., coming along? A guestimate I got from Adobe early in 1994 was "sometime as soon as possible after July '95." Well, I guess "as soon as possible" may still be some time off... Roger Personal: roger@gol.com Business: adex@gol.com Releases: bizwire-Japan@gol.com MCI mail: ADEX - 312-0116 Web page: http://www.gol.com/adex/ Niftyserve: CXQ10206 16-Dec-1995 17:40:02-GMT,2306;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA11810 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12677; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:37:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA12589 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:34:26 -0600 X-Sender: todd@bway.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:33:09 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Subject: Amber and full-screen PDFs Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Can anybody tell me, an impatient Mac OS guy, what happens when one attempts to view "full screen" PDFs using the newly-released Netscape plug-in (for Win95, NT)? By "full screen", I mean PDFs that have been set up in Exchange to open that way, eclipsing menu and tool bars, etc. I've put a 2K (yes, tiny) one at http://www.bway.net/~todd/go.pdf . (NOTE: use the escape key to regain menu access.) When viewed "inline" with Amber/Netscape, do documents like this obscure Netscape's user interface, or do they merely fill the Acrobat frame inside the browser window? Can Amber's default handling of full-screen documents be modified by users, as a preference? I want to know because it seems to me that only full-screen documents (4:3 aspect ratio, fit page) offer designers uncompromised control of their presentations, and that's ultimately what distinguishes PDF from, say, HTML. As HTML formatting tags proliferate, I think it will be important to preserve this distinction with continuing support for "windowless" full-screen mode. Thanks, Todd p.s: Adobe's explanation of the "Windows first" anomaly jives with Macromedia's on the same point: it has more to do with Netscape than the plug-in developers. ________________________________________ Todd Fahrner fahrner@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~fahrner The printed page transcends space and time. The printed page, the infinitude of books, must be transcended. THE ELECTRO-LIBRARY. --El Lissitzky, 1923 16-Dec-1995 19:04:51-GMT,2685;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12248 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:04:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13010; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 13:03:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA12948 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 13:02:03 -0600 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:02:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) Subject: http://www.bway.net/~todd/go.pdf Cc: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: jmonahan@newroads.com (John Monahan) Todd: Your 2K example at is the very embodiment of the journalist's much-touted "show, don't tell" dictum. Also, it has something to do with the priciple of 'reductio ad absurdum,' but for the life of me, I'm not sure what. >Can Amber's default handling of full-screen documents be modified by users, >as a preference? I hope Adobe will allow Reader to turn Netscape into a helper app, if it doesn't already support it. I see good reasons to be free to avoid the dated window-scroll-button-menu interface in favor of a modeless document interface. Of course, the obstacles to an elegant solution to that seem significant, starting with mere technical concerns (where 'mere' means "being able to generate rich presentations on the fly with exactly the right links to other documents or, more interestingly, to actions like copy, paste, etc., using Java"). If I could generate artfully crafted dynamic PDFs on the fly, there's no telling what I'd try ... >... As HTML formatting tags proliferate, I think it will be important to >preserve this distinction with continuing support for "windowless" >full-screen mode. While we're discussing mere technical issues, why not also support html inside the Reader? (Or, worse, within irregular polygonal areas inside a PDF file. That wacky feature would set back html 4 for the foreseeable future.) On a serious side, I like Todd's screen-filling Reader approach quite a lot. Also, Todd's demo page is more than clever. It's simply brilliant. It's art. Art. Capital A Art. Check it out. (See first graf.) John P.S.: I'm curious if putting an http address in the subject field will crash e-mail accounts. If you do not, repeat, do NOT get this message, you may reply (but are not required to). All others, do NOT respond. 16-Dec-1995 19:47:41-GMT,3288;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA12448 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13213; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 13:46:01 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA13145 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 13:43:26 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199512161943.OAA19903@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Amber and full-screen PDFs To: fahrner@pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:43:34 -0500 (EST) Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com In-Reply-To: from "Todd" at Dec 16, 95 12:33:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse Todd writes: > Can anybody tell me, an impatient Mac OS guy, what happens when one > attempts to view "full screen" PDFs using the newly-released Netscape > plug-in (for Win95, NT)? By "full screen", I mean PDFs that have been set > up in Exchange to open that way, eclipsing menu and tool bars, etc. I've > put a 2K (yes, tiny) one at http://www.bway.net/~todd/go.pdf . (NOTE: use > the escape key to regain menu access.) > > When viewed "inline" with Amber/Netscape, do documents like this obscure > Netscape's user interface, or do they merely fill the Acrobat frame inside > the browser window? Looks to me like it displays the document inside the Netscape window in "fit page to window" mode rather than using full screen mode (as Reader and Exchange do when launched as a helper app from Netscape). I don't know whether this is a bug, a mis-feature, or a limitation of the Netscape APIs. > Can Amber's default handling of full-screen documents be modified by users, > as a preference? There's actually a more fundamental question here -- will users have access to *any* functions not available from the toolbar? I assume that they will in future versions, since it would otherwise eliminate important features such as "View Visible" and "Document Info". > I want to know because it seems to me that only full-screen documents (4:3 > aspect ratio, fit page) offer designers uncompromised control of their > presentations, and that's ultimately what distinguishes PDF from, say, > HTML. As HTML formatting tags proliferate, I think it will be important to > preserve this distinction with continuing support for "windowless" > full-screen mode. Good point. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16-Dec-1995 23:29:43-GMT,3162;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA13349 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 16:29:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13850; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:27:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA13785 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:25:18 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199512162325.SAA23447@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Amber release To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:25:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse A couple of folks have written: > > Pam Deziel's derscription of Amber is very impressive, though I am more than > > a little disappointed because it looks like Adobe is going to completely > > abandon the community that uses the Mac OS. She mentions nothing about a Mac > > version for Amber even though the whole point of Acrobat was cross-platform > > operation! And so far as I know there is still not a Mac version of Capture. > > Very sad. > > I can second this. Adobe can cancel the cross-platform advertising if they > continue like this... Unix is also missing! Although Gary Cosimini of Adobe has already responded to this, I should point out that this information is also available in the Amber FAQ Pam mentioned in her original post. The Amber FAQ is available at: http://www.adobe.com/Amber/amberfaq.html In the section "What platforms does Adobe expect to support in the future?" it lists the following: Windows: Acrobat Amber Reader D1 Macintosh: Not Available. Expected January, 1996. UNIX: Not Available; schedule depends on Web browser APIs. No DOS version of the Amber Reader is planned. And, as Gary implied, I suspect the limiting factor here is the availability of the Netscape APIs rather than any attempt by Adobe to "abandon" these other platforms. In this regard it's worth noting that *all* the plug-ins available for Netscape Navigator -- Shockwave (from Macromedia), WebFX, and now Acrobat -- are currently only available for Win95 and WinNT. I suspect that -- once the Netscape APIs are available -- you'll see these plug-ins available on the same platforms currently supported by these products. :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17-Dec-1995 10:13:21-GMT,1534;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA16661 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA16800; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:11:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA16727 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:06:36 -0600 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:05:23 +0200 (IST) From: Malka Cymbalista To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: scaling down a ps file converted from a pdf file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Malka Cymbalista While converting a pdf file into postscript with the "acroread -toPostScript" command, I get a ps file where each page is bigger than A4 size . Is there a way 1. to convert and shrink it so that each page will fit on an A4 page? or 2. to produce 4 postscript pages from each pdf page, where each postscript page is a "corner" of the original file? Note that I want to be able to do this with command line options and not by opening up the acrobat reader interactively. Malki Cymbalista Software Support Weizmann Institute Computing Center Rehovot, Israel 76100 Internet: vumalki@wicc.weizmann.ac.il tel: 972-8-343036 17-Dec-1995 21:32:27-GMT,1718;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA19038 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA18955; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:31:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18888 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:27:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 95 21:26 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: Amber and Adobe's platform support To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199512170550.XAA15150@grandcanyon.binc.net> Whilst not wanting to get involved in the perennial "battle of the platforms", and having been involved with supplying graphic systems to the Corporate marketplace for more years than I wish to admit to, I think that for information "users" in the worlds business communities, the PC is the logical place to go: ergo; Netscape, Adobe et al develop for the PC first and Mac and Unix later - if demand is there. Sorry guys, but we have been selling Acrobat for 2.5 years and it's PC/Windows - 95 percent, Mac percent and Unix zip! I have only had one guy want Capture on a Mac, everyone else is happy to run on Windows. Let's not see this as a bad day for the Mac and Adobe, but a good day for integration! Have a very happy Christmas and New Year from all at Computerstream Ltd, Manchester, UK. Peter Mathews. 18-Dec-1995 16:41:55-GMT,1707;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA03279 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:41:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23385; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:39:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA23284 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:30:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:58:41 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pdeziel@mv.us.adobe.com CC: pdf-l@emrg.com, CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <951218155841.20c07ec0@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: Unable to install Amber under Windows '95 :-( Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Well, the UK managed to acquire (at least) two copies of Ambr32d1.Exe over the weekend; one is at Imperial College, the other at Cambridge. Both are exactly the size quoted by Adobe, both self-unpack without reporting problems, yet both flatly refuse to install. The symptoms are as follows: After self-extracing, one double-clicks on Setup.Exe; the `installing install shield' message appears, runs to completion, and then a small `Warning' box appears with an OK button (there is no other text). Clicking on OK dismisses the box for a fraction of a second, then it comes back. Further clicks on `OK' have the same effect. All of these symptoms can be replicated on two totally different machines. Does anyone recognise these symptoms? What the h@ll is going on? Philip Taylor, RHBNC. 18-Dec-1995 18:53:15-GMT,1569;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA04495 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:53:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA23757; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:50:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA23675 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:47:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Re: Amber release To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: <9511188193.AA819323293@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson > Pam Deziel's derscription of Amber is very impressive, though I am more than > a little disappointed because it looks like Adobe is going to completely > abandon the community that uses the Mac OS. She mentions nothing about a Mac > version for Amber even though the whole point of Acrobat was cross-platform > operation! And so far as I know there is still not a Mac version of Capture. > Very sad. I can second this. Adobe can cancel the cross-platform advertising if they continue like this... Unix is also missing! ------ I third this -- the reason we picked Acrobat for our projects was that it was cross-platform. If this continues, we may have to switch to something like Common Ground. jim watson@battelle.org 18-Dec-1995 20:17:18-GMT,1418;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA05591 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:17:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA24067; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:15:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA24009 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:12:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199512182012.MAA27534@ernie.ucop.edu> X-Sender: dclouse@popserv.ucop.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:14:07 -0800 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) Subject: Amber under Windows '95 doesn't load X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu (Dennis Clouse) Using W95 commercial on a Pentium-60 color notebook (8mb ram), Amber installed fine, and can be run by itself just fine. Using N32e20b3, and attempting to open a PDF on the local drive, however, crashes Netscape. The trigger for Amber is activated, and Amber appears to go through the load process, before Netscape crashes. Amber is left behind, activated and fully functional, but without the specified PDF opened. Has anyone else encountered this? Dennis.Clouse@ucop.edu 18-Dec-1995 21:14:09-GMT,1177;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA06109 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24313; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:11:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA24251 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:09:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9512182110.AA3729@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: James R Watson Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 18 Dec 95 13:11:19 EDT Subject: Re: Amber release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >I third this -- the reason we picked Acrobat for our projects was that it was >cross-platform. If this continues, we may have to switch to something like >Common Ground. > Good luck! Adobe's making a far bigger commitment to meeting your objectives than the competition. Bob Marsh Sony Software Services 18-Dec-1995 22:07:47-GMT,1462;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA06493 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24607; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:05:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA24542 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:01:45 -0600 From: "Mark Czajka" Organization: Automated Graphic Systems, Inc. To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:08:08 EST Subject: Re: Amber release Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <46D25032694@agsadmin.ags.com> Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Mark Czajka" Please! No more negative comments about Amber, Adobe, and Macs. This is Beta software folks!!!!!!!! I use Macs, PCs, and UNIX boxes. Have you ever tried to publish with Folio Views. They put three month delays between releases for DOS, Windows, and Macintosh. I would hate to see Adobe pull and syncronize their Beta's to keep the Mac people happy. ______________automated graphic systems _________________4590 Graphics Drive _______________White Plains, MD 20695 __________(301) 870-0480 or (800) 678-8760 ____________Internet: http://www.ags.com ________Member of The One-Off CD Shop Network 19-Dec-1995 0:37:25-GMT,1120;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA07701 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:37:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA25246; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:32:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA25163 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:26:39 -0600 Message-Id: <9512190026.AA3981@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: "Mark Czajka" Cc: pdf-l From: Bob Marsh Date: 18 Dec 95 16:02:29 EDT Subject: Re: Amber release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Bob Marsh >Please! No more negative comments about Amber, Adobe, and Macs. This is Beta software folks!!!!!!!! > >I would hate to see Adobe pull and syncronize their Beta's to keep >the Mac people happy. > I'll second that! Bob Marsh Sony Software Services 19-Dec-1995 10:23:33-GMT,1325;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id DAA11397 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:23:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA28073; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:22:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA27998 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:19:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:20:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199512191020.FAA26786@freenet.carleton.ca> From: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: RE: AMBER RELEASE Reply-To: af763@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: af763@freenet.carleton.ca (John V Matthews Jr.) Yes, I agree that this thread has gone on long enough. As the one who posed the initial question (complaint), I am fully satisfied with the replies that I got from Adobe. Its good to see that they read the list--a sign of a company that cares about their customers. John -- ***************************************** JOHN MATTHEWS Geological Survey of Canada and Ohana Productions matthews@cc2smtp.emr.ca; af763@freenet.carleton.ca 19-Dec-1995 12:06:27-GMT,1737;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA11839 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:06:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA28563; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 06:05:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA28489 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 06:03:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 06:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: James R Watson Subject: Re:Amber Release To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com Message-id: <9511198193.AA819385494@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James R Watson >Please! No more negative comments about Amber, Adobe, and Macs. This is Beta software folks!!!!!!!! > >I would hate to see Adobe pull and syncronize their Beta's to keep >the Mac people happy. ----------------------- I agree and I'm sorry, but after reading the Adobe notice, I felt their ONLY concern was the wintel machine. A word or two about future plans for mac and unix would have satisfied me. Like many of you, I have a lot invested in Acrobat and would NOT want to change. However, most of the third party plug-ins and other extras are only for the wintel empire and are useless to me as all of my clients are cross-platform. What ever I buy and use must work in all three main environments. I understand that Mircosoft marketing has captured a major portion of users, but they are not the only ones out there that need support. jim watson@battelle.org 19-Dec-1995 12:22:23-GMT,1607;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA11892 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:22:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA28730; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 06:21:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA28678 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 06:20:54 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:16:52 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com CC: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <951219121652.20c0aedd@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: AMBR32D1 installation problem solved by Adobe Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) I am pleased to report that Adobe have been very co-operative in identifying the problem affecting some sites trying to install Amber from AMBR32D1.EXE; they tell me that there is one file missing, CTL3D32.DLL, which if manually placed in the scratch directory from which installation is being attempted will resolve the problem. I can confirm that this appears to work, although network delays between the UK and Adobe at present prevent me from testing Amber after installation. It is worth noting that Archie reports several different versions of the missing file, so in the absence of a definitve version or byte count it is clearly desirable to go for the most recent. Philip Taylor, RHBNC. 19-Dec-1995 14:22:46-GMT,1984;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA12406 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 07:22:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29251; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:21:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29198 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:20:43 -0600 From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Reply-To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: About Adobe Acrobat Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:15:19 GMT Message-Id: <3978010491.35601906@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Hey Folks- I thought I make some comments regarding Adobe's Acrobat beta presentation and rebutt to few comments made regarding how Adobe is abandonning multi-platform orientation. I'm sure I don't have to beat a dead horse and remind you that Internet is booming like crazy. Everyone is scrambling to develop software at a lighting speed; Adobe included. I must say the Adobe Acrobat has done a fine job providing the FREE Acrobat Readers for Windows, Macintosh, and UNIX!!! This is a tremendous acomplishment. I can't imagine publishing a technical CD-ROM with any other solution. Commonground, you say? I can't believe someone compared Acrobat against Commonground. I own the latest Commonground for Windows and it just doesn't hold up against Acrobat. I have my wish list full of features and various OS support I want from Adobe Acrobat. But, I say "Give 'Em A Break!" And help Adobe gain additional momentum in gaining market share by educating others about the electronic publishing with Acrobat....this will help Adobe to do further development for Acrobat. Regards, James Chung Technical Manager Bay Networks Information Services 19-Dec-1995 15:18:01-GMT,1152;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA12858 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:17:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29507; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:17:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29444 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:15:17 -0600 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 10:03:28 EST Message-Id: <9511198193.AA819397107@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Amber Release for WIN 3.X Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov OK, I know that everyone's been complaining, but no one has mentioned the fact that a version for Windows 3.x wasn't mentioned in Pam's initial message or in the FAQs from Adobe. Does "Windows" include 3.x at some point or will we all need to upgrade to Windows 95 or NT? If a 3.x version will be available, when? Thanks all. Joe 19-Dec-1995 18:10:26-GMT,1344;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA14276 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA30010; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:09:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA29944 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:06:15 -0600 Comments: Point of Presence Company X-Sender: glenn@maigret.popco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:03:25 -0800 To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk, pdf-l@emrg.com, acrobat@blueworld.com From: glenn@popco.com (Glenn Fleishman) Subject: Re: AMBR32D1 installation problem solved by Adobe Cc: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: glenn@popco.com (Glenn Fleishman) At 4:16 AM 12/19/95, Philip Taylor (RHBNC) wrote: >they tell me that there is one file missing, CTL3D32.DLL, which if manually >placed in the scratch directory from which installation is being attempted >will resolve the problem. I cannot get this to work, although I installed a very recent version of CTL3D32.DLL. Any additional ideas? 20-Dec-1995 7:14:39-GMT,929;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA21347 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:14:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA21619; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:13:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA21532 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:10:06 -0600 From: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) Reply-To: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-19-95 [V1 #114] Date: 19 Dec 1995 23:07:43 GMT Message-Id: <193200126.158141232@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) I'll be out of the office until January 2. Happy Holidays! Tami Goodall 20-Dec-1995 17:36:30-GMT,1399;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA24530 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:36:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23324; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:35:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23225 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:31:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:30:22 GMT From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Reply-To: P.Taylor@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk To: acrobat@blueworld.com, pdf-l@emrg.com CC: CHAA006@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk Message-Id: <951220173022.20c0c48e@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Subject: UK bytestream server? Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Testing the potentially-brilliant Amber is seriously hampered in the U.K. by the two pieces of wet string masquerading as a transatlantic link; do any UK sites running either the Netscape or Open Market servers plan to mirror the Amber demos from the Adobe site? Philip Taylor, RHBNC (We use neither of those servers, so we are not in a position to offer this service; I will, however, ask David Jones of Ohio State University whether he is considering adding byteserver capability to the OSU VMS WEB Daemon.) 20-Dec-1995 17:39:19-GMT,1907;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA24558 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23443; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:38:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23382 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:37:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 11:35:01 CST From: "Steve Allen" Encoding: 24 Text Message-Id: <9511208194.AA819488241@ccmail.bmc.com> To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: ShellExecute problem in NT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Steve Allen" I am building a help file system in RoboHelp and want my help file to act as a mini-interface for a Document CD that we are going to be shipping. The ShellExecute macro finds Acrobat Reader and launches the appropriate book when the help link is activated. When I tried to select the link on an NT machine I got the standard "Executing winhelp.exe rather than winhelp32.exe because this help file uses a 16-bit DLL." blurb, however, when I get rid of this message and click on my links, they do not perform the macro consistently. My question is: Is there a way to get the ShellExecute macro to work in an NT environment and if so, what is the syntax for making it work. I am using the HCP.EXE compiler and high compression on my setup file. In addition, I have registered the routine as follows in the CONFIG section: RegisterRoutine("shell","ShellExecute","USSSSi") Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.... Steve Allen BMC Software steve_allen@bmc.com 20-Dec-1995 19:21:50-GMT,1290;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA25881 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:21:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23914; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:21:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA23851 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:19:22 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:31:35 -0600 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Kurt Foss Subject: Amber D1 Installer fixed Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kurt Foss FYI/Adobe has announced today that the Acrobat Amber D1 Installer has been fixed and the updated version is now available for downloading at: http://www.adobe.com/Amber/Download.html Rgds ~ Kurt ---<<~k>>--- KURT FOSS, electronic publishing and training E M E R G E 579 D'Onofrio, Suite 101 Madison, WI 53719 Ph= 800/829-2459 or 608/829-3454 FAX= 608/829-3561 Email= kfoss@emrg.com WWW= http://www.emrg.com ---<<#>>--- 21-Dec-1995 0:41:45-GMT,1492;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA28365 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:41:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24871; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:41:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA24806 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:39:53 -0600 Message-ID: <30D8AD22.7750@inetnebr.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:41:06 -0600 From: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carmelj.atc@gao.gov CC: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: Amber Release for WIN 3.X References: <9511198193.AA819397107@mailgateway.gao.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" carmelj.atc@gao.gov wrote: > I know that everyone's been complaining, but no one has > mentioned the fact that a version for Windows 3.x wasn't > mentioned in Pam's initial message or in the FAQs from > Adobe. Does "Windows" include 3.x at some point or will we > all need to upgrade to Windows 95 or NT? If a 3.x version > will be available, when? Thanks all. Never seems likely. Sadly, it won't be Microsoft won't kill Win3x, NetScape will. 21-Dec-1995 2:02:55-GMT,1917;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA28795 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA25270; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:02:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA25208 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:01:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:01:21 +1000 Message-Id: <199512210201.MAA07133@enterprise.powerup.com.au> X-Sender: qmail@powerup.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-digest@grandcanyon.binc.net From: Aaron Goldwater Subject: Amber & Windows Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Aaron Goldwater It's nice for all you guys up over to debate things, we are unable to get a returned phone call from Adobe never mind info. As to Win 3.x we'd love to get some info and most of our clients would as well. carmelj.atc@gao.gov wrote: > I know that everyone's been complaining, but no one has > mentioned the fact that a version for Windows 3.x wasn't > mentioned in Pam's initial message or in the FAQs from > Adobe. Does "Windows" include 3.x at some point or will we > all need to upgrade to Windows 95 or NT? If a 3.x version > will be available, when? Thanks all. Never seems likely. Sadly, it won't be Microsoft won't kill Win3x, NetScape will. I agree at this stage it'll be Netscape who does the deed, assuming evryone is going to use the Net Aaron Qmail PO Box 363 Morningside, Qld, Australia, 4170 Members of the HTML Writers Guild Ph: +61 7 3399 6657 Fax: +61 7 3399 6016 email: qmail@powerup.com.au 21-Dec-1995 7:38:18-GMT,929;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA01294 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA27348; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:37:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA27270 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:34:09 -0600 From: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) Reply-To: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-20-95 [V1 #115] Date: 20 Dec 1995 23:31:41 GMT Message-Id: <193200126.163424717@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) I'll be out of the office until January 2. Happy Holidays! Tami Goodall 21-Dec-1995 18:19:43-GMT,1513;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA12522 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:19:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02304; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:18:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA02188 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:10:51 -0600 From: carmelj.atc@gao.gov Date: Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:58:13 EST Message-Id: <9511218195.AA819580346@mailgateway.gao.gov> To: "Kent 'Snake' Tegels" Cc: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re[2]: Amber Release for WIN 3.X Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: carmelj.atc@gao.gov I've heard from Adobe sources that a WIN 3.X version will be available in February so those of us who haven't jumped into WIN 95 by '96 will be able to use Amber. Joe carmelj.atc@gao.gov wrote: > I know that everyone's been complaining, but no one has > mentioned the fact that a version for Windows 3.x wasn't > mentioned in Pam's initial message or in the FAQs from > Adobe. Does "Windows" include 3.x at some point or will we > all need to upgrade to Windows 95 or NT? If a 3.x version > will be available, when? Thanks all. Never seems likely. Sadly, it won't be Microsoft won't kill Win3x, NetScape will. 22-Dec-1995 7:49:00-GMT,929;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA18326 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA05603; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:47:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA05541 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:45:49 -0600 From: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) Reply-To: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-21-95 [V1 #116] Date: 21 Dec 1995 23:35:38 GMT Message-Id: <193200126.168642706@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) I'll be out of the office until January 2. Happy Holidays! Tami Goodall 22-Dec-1995 15:11:19-GMT,2120;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA20170 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA06866; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:10:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06788 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:07:10 -0600 From: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Reply-To: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM To: PDF-L@emrg.com Subject: Amber Date: 22 Dec 1995 06:33:19 GMT Message-Id: <53245.49708806@BayNetworks.com> Organization: Bay Networks Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: James_Chung@BayNetworks.COM (James Chung) Wow, this Amber stuff really works!!! I've tried the newly fixed Amber (Installation) and it's hot. Hmm...I know Adobe is planning on other OS versions...but, will it be available to non-32 bit systems? If not, will Windows 3.1 folks will ever be able to enjoy Amber? Windows 95 is ok, but I am not impressed with it. I am running Pentium 90mhz and it's not that fast. My biggest concern is its lack of support for 3rd party TCP/IP such as the Chameleon suite. Back to Adobe issue... If Amber requires 32-bit architecture...what about for Mac folks??? Will they have to be running the latest MacOS with Power Macs? Running Netscape & Amber in Power Mac Native mode??? I guess I won't have to worry about the UNIX folks...they're always last anyhow... Please don't neglect the Windows 3.1 and Macintosh 680xx based systems for the Amber development. I believe Adobe will win more endorsement quicker on this end. Remember, all this hype about Windows 95 & Power Macs aren't impressing the Corporate America. In fact, the IS/IT/MIS folks are faced with more support & incompatibility issues because of them. AND they don't really do a HUGE improvement over how Corporate America is doing desktop application business! Regards, James Chung Technical Manager Bay Networks Information Services 22-Dec-1995 17:07:00-GMT,2671;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA20876 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:06:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07297; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:06:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA07239 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:04:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199512221704.LAA22452@glacier.binc.net> To: PDF-List Subject: What TranZform is... Date: Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:03:49 -0500 From: Brian Sobus X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 X-Info: Evaluation version at Command.vertec.com Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brian Sobus -- [ From: Brian Sobus * EMC.Ver #2.5.03 ] -- All, Recently a question was posted as to what TranZform was. This is the "shortest" version marketing could give me. ;-) TranZform is an Acrobat plug-in which makes a PDF file into a fillable form. It allows the user to "define" areas on the PDF which can be "filled-in" with data. Data which is "filled in" a PDF form can be either saved directly into the PDF for viewing and printing by those with the Reader, or data can be saved into a separate ASCII file we call a TrailerDoc. This data can be retrieved at anytime and will automatically repopulate the form. In addition, we are planning to offer an ODBC driver in the near future which will allow you to use your PDF form as a direct link to ODBC compliant databases such as Access, FoxPro, DBase, etc. This is a bi-directional link. TranZform provides a lot of the standard "eform" capabilities, like field verification, lists, type definitions, etc. If you are interested, you can get the TranZform demo from CompuServe (GO ZZZZ in Library 15), from FTP via ftp.winsite.com in the /pub/win3/demo directory, from VerTec's Web Site (http://www.vertec.com in the products section) or from Emerge's Web Site (http://www.emrg.com). There will be a Mac version coming out Q1 1996. Currently we support Windows 3.1 , 3.11, Win95, and WinNT. Address questions to: info@vertec.com or VerTec Solution Inc. 5601 Roanne Way Suite 606 Greensboro, NC 27409 (910) 855-9555 Oh, the person(s) to contact is either Doug Moody or John DelFavero. Hope this answers your question. Regards, Brian -- ============================================== Brian Sobus Engineering Department VerTec Solutions, Inc. "Beyond Innovation" Internet: bsobus@vertec.com CServe: 74403,1665 ============================================== 23-Dec-1995 1:42:17-GMT,1993;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA24172 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:42:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA08641; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 19:41:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA08544 for pdf-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 19:37:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9512230138.AA4044@mailgw1.interactive.sony.com> To: PDF-L From: Mike Clark Date: 22 Dec 95 17:37:25 EDT Subject: Problems Using OLE Automation Draw( ... ) and Windows 95 / Visual Basic 3.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Mike Clark I am having problems printing PDF pages using OLE automation and Acrobat Exchange. The following code sample (from Adobe's VBVIEW sample program) should print a specified page to the default printer: . . . . . Set AcroExchPDPage = AcroExchPDDoc.AcquirePage(nPage) Printer.Print "" ' initialize the printer ok = AcroExchPDPage.Draw(0, Printer.hDC, 0,0, nZoom) Printer.EndDoc Set AcroExchPDPage = Nothing . . . . . Unfortunately, on my Windows 95 environment, the printer output (Postscript code) to the screen, in a teletype fashion; data sent via the Visual Basic method "printer.print (someText )" is sent to the printer. AcroExchPDPage.Draw(form.hWnd, 0, 0, nZoom) works fine (draws the page on the specified form). This doesn't appear to happen under Windows 3.1 (although I haven't been able to test it fully.) (I cannot use the alternative OLE automation function, AcroExchApp.PrintPages( ... ) for a number of reasons related to my application's design.) Anyone have any suggestions? TIA Mike Clark Sony Software Services mike_clark@interactive.sony.com 23-Dec-1995 8:32:59-GMT,929;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA26284 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 01:32:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA10854; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:31:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA10785 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:30:10 -0600 From: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) Reply-To: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-22-95 [V1 #117] Date: 23 Dec 1995 00:23:35 GMT Message-Id: <193200126.174011973@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: tamig@dsinet.dgtl.com (Tami Goodall) I'll be out of the office until January 2. Happy Holidays! Tami Goodall 23-Dec-1995 17:57:33-GMT,3064;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA27737 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:57:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA11933; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:56:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA11866 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:55:06 -0600 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:50:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199512231750.LAA02369@sells.sells.com> Subject: Re: Amber From: Brian R Bezanson To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Brian R Bezanson >Wow, this Amber stuff really works!!! I've tried the newly fixed Amber >(Installation) and it's hot. Hmm...I know Adobe is planning on other OS >versions...but, will it be available to non-32 bit systems? If not, will >Windows 3.1 folks will ever be able to enjoy Amber? Windows 95 is ok, but I >am not impressed with it. I am running Pentium 90mhz and it's not that fast. > My biggest concern is its lack of support for 3rd party TCP/IP such as the >Chameleon suite. I love Windows 95 (as a Mac person) on my Pentium 90 w/32 MB of RAM. Since all I use the machine for is to test my Mac created Director movies, cruise parts of the web while the Mac is creating those parts, and look at Acrobat files I find it much better than Windows 3.1 :-) Since Microsoft has said Windows 95 and NT are it, I would expect Adobe to go that way unless 16-bit just happens to fall out as a compiler option (meaning they don't try and use any 32-bit features.) >Back to Adobe issue... > >If Amber requires 32-bit architecture...what about for Mac folks??? Will >they have to be running the latest MacOS with Power Macs? Running Netscape & >Amber in Power Mac Native mode??? I guess I won't have to worry about the >UNIX folks...they're always last anyhow... Ah, the Mac has been 32-bit since 1987. There is no difference between the 68K and PPC in this regards as far as programs are concerned. I hope Amber on the Mac is native for PPC. Since Acrobat 2.1 is, I assume Amber will be to. It also works on 68K Macs just like the current Acrobat. >Please don't neglect the Windows 3.1 and Macintosh 680xx based systems for >the Amber development. I believe Adobe will win more endorsement quicker on >this end. Remember, all this hype about Windows 95 & Power Macs aren't >impressing the Corporate America. In fact, the IS/IT/MIS folks are faced >with more support & incompatibility issues because of them. AND they don't >really do a HUGE improvement over how Corporate America is doing desktop >application business! Actually PowerMacs are impressing corporate America. Apple's entire line-up priced at over $1500 is all PowerPC. By spring, all of the consumer Macs will be PPC. Brian 23-Dec-1995 21:19:27-GMT,3215;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA28340 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 14:19:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12205; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:18:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA12137 for pdf-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:17:30 -0600 From: Kendall Whitehouse Message-Id: <199512232117.QAA28888@assets.wharton.upenn.edu> Subject: Netscape API's on Unix: You can help make it happen To: pdf-l@emrg.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:17:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Kendall Whitehouse As many of you who read this list regularly know, there's recently been a flurry of discussion about which platforms (and in which sequence) the Amber Acrobat plug-in will be available. In general, the situation now seems reasonably clear. Adobe's Amber FAQ (available at http://www.adobe.com/Amber/amberfaq.html) lists Adobe's current plans as: Windows 95 and Windows NT: Acrobat Amber Reader D1 Macintosh: Not Available. Expected January, 1996. UNIX: Not Available; schedule depends on Web browser APIs. No DOS version of the Amber Reader is planned. And, as has become readily apparent, this schedule has been determined primarily by the availability of documentation and tools to support the API for the Netscape browser. (As I noted in an earlier post, it's not a coincidence that *every* plug-in currently available for Netscape Navigator is only available for Windows 95 and NT.) One troubling aspect of this is the ambiguity surrounding the availability of the Netscape APIs for the Unix platform. I've been unable to find any commitment (or timeline) from Netscape regarding support for the APIs for Unix versions of their browsers. (Worse yet, I've heard it rumored that Netscape has *no* plans to make the APIs for the Unix version of Netscape Navigator 2.0 available.) If this troubles you (as it does me), I'd encourage you to make your voice heard. Let Netscape know that supporting Unix as an equal partner in a cross-platform solution is important. The official Netscape "Feedback" page (at http://home.mcom.com/feedback/index.html) is probably the best place to make your opinions known (but I'm open to additional suggestions). :Kendall . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kendall Whitehouse Senior Consultant E M E R G E The PDF Zone: http://www.emrg.com/pdf_zone.html KWhitehouse@emrg.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Associate Director, Wharton Computing and Information Technology The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (215) 898-2742 whitehouse@wharton.upenn.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24-Dec-1995 9:28:37-GMT,968;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA01493 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA14816; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 03:27:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA14699 for pdf-outgoing; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 03:21:20 -0600 From: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Reply-To: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: NDN: PDF-DIGEST for December-23-95 [V1 #118] Date: 24 Dec 1995 01:19:30 GMT Message-Id: <231862270.179410541@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Tami Goodall (Mailbox or Conference is full.) 25-Dec-1995 8:10:29-GMT,968;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA06090 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 01:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA18070; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 02:09:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA17967 for pdf-outgoing; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 02:06:03 -0600 From: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Reply-To: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: NDN: PDF-DIGEST for December-24-95 [V1 #119] Date: 24 Dec 1995 23:59:27 GMT Message-Id: <231862270.184318353@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Tami Goodall (Mailbox or Conference is full.) 26-Dec-1995 8:15:04-GMT,968;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA10418 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 01:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA21867; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 02:13:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA21760 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 02:05:57 -0600 From: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Reply-To: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: NDN: PDF-DIGEST for December-25-95 [V1 #120] Date: 25 Dec 1995 23:59:25 GMT Message-Id: <231862270.189514711@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Tami Goodall (Mailbox or Conference is full.) 26-Dec-1995 17:56:23-GMT,1035;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA11985 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 10:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23172; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 11:55:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23080 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 11:51:55 -0600 From: JHANSEN@CAUSE.COLORADO.EDU Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 10:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-25-95 [V1 #120] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Message-id: <01HZ9E7GV7SI000IRW@CAUSE.COLORADO.EDU> X-Envelope-to: pdf-l@emrg.com X-VMS-To: IN%"pdf-l@emrg.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: JHANSEN@CAUSE.COLORADO.EDU Don't You hate auto reply messages such as Tami Goodall's? They really are annoying. --Jeff Hansen CAUSE 27-Dec-1995 1:42:46-GMT,1515;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA13704 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 18:42:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24452; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 19:41:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA24358 for pdf-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 19:38:01 -0600 From: mikrichter@interramp.com Date: Tue, 26 Dec 95 13:35:56 PST Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-25-95 [V1 #120] To: pdf-l@emrg.com X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: mikrichter@interramp.com On Tue, 26 Dec 1995 10:54:18 -0600 (MDT) JHANSEN@CAUSE.COLORADO.EDU wrote: >Don't You hate auto reply messages such as Tami Goodall's? >They really are annoying. > >--Jeff Hansen >CAUSE On another list, we ran into even greater problems - an auto reply that echoed every message from the list to the list - including its own. The administrator didn't drop the account until we had hit about ten cycles on the first item. She has not been allowed back on. If the administrator of *this* list takes that as a hint, ... Mike ******** Mike Richter mikrichter@interramp.com http://www.webcom.com/mrichter/ ******** 27-Dec-1995 7:36:48-GMT,968;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA15799 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 00:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA26289; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 01:35:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA26192 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 01:30:49 -0600 From: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Reply-To: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com To: pdf-l@emrg.com Subject: NDN: PDF-DIGEST for December-26-95 [V1 #121] Date: 26 Dec 1995 23:25:20 GMT Message-Id: <231862270.194588485@dsinet.dgtl.com> Organization: Digital Systems International Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Post_Office@dsinet.dgtl.com (Post Office) Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Tami Goodall (Mailbox or Conference is full.) 27-Dec-1995 15:45:11-GMT,1506;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA17222 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 08:45:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27853; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 09:42:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA27707 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 09:33:05 -0600 X-Sender: patrcha@stcinet.statcan.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 10:34:06 -0500 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-21-95 [V1 #116] Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: patrcha@statcan.ca (Charles A. Patrick) At 6:35 PM on 12/21/95,in 'Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-21-95 [V1 #116]', Tami Goodall wrote: >I'll be out of the office until January 2. >Happy Holidays! >Tami Goodall Just out of curiosity, who is Tami Goodall? and, why is it useful for the entire membership of the list to know that Tami will be out of the office until January 2? I, for one, find it somewhat less than useful! Happy New Year. Charles A. Patrick International and Professional Relations Division Statistics Canada 25-F R.H.Coats Building, Tunney's Pasture Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0T6, CANADA Tel: 1 613 951 8920 Fax: 1 613 951 1231 27-Dec-1995 16:32:59-GMT,1749;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA17553 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 09:32:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28042; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 10:32:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA27995 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 10:31:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:32:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199512271632.LAA43483@tequesta.gate.net> X-Sender: chrisl@pop.gate.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) Subject: Re: Auto reply messages, our community, and the hecklers. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: chrisl@cmpc.com (Chris Lane) All, Technology is an learning experience for us all. I'd venture that everyone who reads this list has played with technology enough to screw up in a major way on occasion (maybe on more than one occasion). One of the aspects of a community is that it cuts its members some slack. I'm sure Tami is not going to be happy with the results of her little experiment, and I trust that she (and probably a few others) have learned from the experience with no real harm done so WHY DON'T WE ALL JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT. I can't belive that it was suggested that we bar someone from a technological community for experimenting with technology (with no malice intended or lasting ill effect). Let's work on the spirit of community and try to cut our members some slack. Chris Lane Computer Multimedia Productions Corporation 27-Dec-1995 17:48:57-GMT,1974;000000000001 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA18000 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 10:48:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA28458; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:47:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA28393 for pdf-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:46:51 -0600 Message-ID: <30E187DD.6B91@omnipress.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:52:29 -0600 From: Christopher Uschan Organization: OMNIPRESS X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PDF-L@Emrg.com Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf-l@Emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Christopher Uschan Over the past few weeks you all may have noticed how this PDF-L has sometimes become a gallery for criticism. It now seems that one can be guaranteed that 50% of their E-Mail will be some sort of critique. When this PDF-L began, members were E-mailing Acrobat suggestions/questions and positve, helpful solutions were replied. Just look how OUR group has turned from a very informative discussion to a "finger pointing with an attitude" session. No one person or computer is perfect. If a new member has joined, we as a group sould apologize for our attitudes and derogatory comments over the past few weeks. Let's re-focus towards learning, sharing and developing!! Just as Chris Lane's message stated: "Let's work on the spirit of community and try to cut our members some slack." This should include all our members(Adobe included) Happy Holidays, Christopher J. Uschan ============================= Computer Information Coordinator Omnipress Madison, Wisconsin ============================= 28-Dec-1995 11:52:13-GMT,1132;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA23530 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 04:52:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA00689; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 05:50:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA00569 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 05:43:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 95 11:43 GMT From: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-27-95 [V1 #122] To: pdf-l@emrg.com Reply-To: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: compustream1@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Mathews) In-Reply-To: <199512280550.XAA31357@grandcanyon.binc.net> >From Peter Mathews; Computerstream Ltd, Manchester UK May I wish Tami, and the rest of you a really great New Year. Do we have any New Years resolutions (including from Adobe)?. Regards (from a freeeeezing UK) Peter Mathews. 28-Dec-1995 13:02:34-GMT,1592;000000000000 Received: from grandcanyon.binc.net (majordom@grandcanyon.binc.net [205.173.176.15]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA23687 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 06:02:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA01069; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 07:01:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by grandcanyon.binc.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA01018 for pdf-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 07:00:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199512281502.AA23675@ktl.mii.lt> X-Sender: sarunas@julius.ktl.mii.lt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:58:20 +0200 To: pdf-l@emrg.com From: Sarunas@KTL.MII.LT (Sarunas Burdulis) Subject: Re: PDF-DIGEST for December-27-95 [V1 #122] X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf-l@emrg.com Precedence: bulk X-Sender: Sarunas@KTL.MII.LT (Sarunas Burdulis) >In-Reply-To: <199512280550.XAA31357@grandcanyon.binc.net> >>From Peter Mathews; Computerstream Ltd, Manchester UK > >May I wish Tami, and the rest of you a really great New Year. >Do we have any New Years resolutions (including from Adobe)?. > >Regards (from a freeeeezing UK) > >Peter Mathews. > Good day, everybody! I would join Peter --- let us just have a good time and some fun from this (or maybe we could put a decent load on that poor auto-replying silicon chip and see what happens?..) Cheers (from already frozen Lithuania). --- Sarunas Burdulis R&D, VTEX Typesetting & Electronic Publishing Services Sarunas@KTL.MII.LT, vtex@post.omnitel.net (370) 272 9410