21-Aug-1997 11:52:46-GMT,2062;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA19922 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 05:52:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA13555; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:26:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 187341 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:26:31 +0200 Received: from ibmmail.COM (ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA13547 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:26:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from IMXGATE.COM by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2630; Thu, 21 Aug 97 07:26:55 EDT Received: from 194.156.210.220 by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 21 Aug 97 07:26:53 EDT Received: by 194.156.210.220(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 412564FA.00445728 ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:26:27 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HUGO_BOSS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <412564FA.0043F82D.00@194.156.210.220> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:24:04 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: MIchael Hoeller Subject: looking for the k-editor To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Hi there! I am new in the tex cirlce and need still some good hints and tools... The k-editor was recommended to me as a very powerful editor to be used with latex. Could someone please tell me where I can get him? Thanks a lot Michael Michael_Hoeller@hugoboss.com 22-Aug-1997 8:42:50-GMT,2158;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15252 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA21523; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:17:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 187885 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:16:24 +0200 Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA13269 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:29:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2795; Fri, 22 Aug 97 03:30:11 EDT Received: from 194.156.210.220 by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 22 Aug 97 03:30:06 EDT Received: by 194.156.210.220(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 412564FB.002EAEC7 ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:29:53 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HUGO_BOSS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <412564FB.002DD6D0.00@194.156.210.220> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:27:19 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: MIchael Hoeller Subject: good hints are needed To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Hi all! I asked yesterday for tips and hints round the k-editor. Well in some replays I was told that emacs is the better alternative. - I don't want to raise a decades old discussion about what is better. Talking about DOS and Windows 95 I'd like to get some information what has been proven to work well. Thanks for your support. /mike Michael_Hoeller@hugoboss.com 22-Aug-1997 14:35:14-GMT,2066;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21349 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA00756; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:55:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 187950 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:54:00 +0200 Received: from perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de (perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.147]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id KAA23748 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:25:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from schoepf@localhost) by perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de (8.8.4/8.8.5) id KAA10838; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:08 +0200 (MEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <412564FB.002DD6D0.00@194.156.210.220> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <199708220826.KAA10838@perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:08 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Rainer Schoepf Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Subject: Re: good hints are needed To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <412564FB.002DD6D0.00@194.156.210.220> Please note that the LaTeX-L Mailing list is for discussing the development of LaTeX itself. For questions like yours use the general mailing lists like tex-d-l@vm.gmd.de or the de.comp.text.tex and comp.text.tex newsgroups. Rainer Schöpf (wearing the list owner's hat) 22-Aug-1997 15:00:49-GMT,2852;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21896 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA26231; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:36:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 187909 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:34:33 +0200 Received: from rs2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (rs2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.63]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA25645 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:33:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from w95pc5 (w95pc5.vlsi.informatik.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.31.135]) by rs2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (8.6.12/8.6.12.1ms) with SMTP id KAA122331 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:33:25 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <412564FB.002DD6D0.00@194.156.210.220> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <33FD4ED0.1CFC@vlsi.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:33:20 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Steffen Klupsch Organization: TH Darmstadt, Institut fuer Integrierte Schaltungen und Systeme Subject: Re: good hints are needed To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L You should look at ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/systems/msdos/ or ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/systems/win32, etc. The editors found there are a "good choice" to start with - if you can't find the editor you wanted in there: forget about it. I like the TeXShell (MS-DOS) and use epm (OS/2) aswell as emacs (win32/unix) there is no "best" - AND there aren't to many editors around anyway. So why don't you yourself take some time and compare them :-) Steffen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Steffen Klupsch Alexanderstr. 10, D-64283 Darmstadt | | TH Darmstadt - FB Inf(20) - FG Integrierte Schaltungen und Systeme | | Email: steffen@vlsi.informatik.th-darmstadt.de | | URL : http://www.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/ISS/steffen/ | | Phone: (+49)6151/16-6650 Fax: (+49)6151/16-4810 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ 22-Aug-1997 16:26:33-GMT,1916;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24011 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA21596; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:59:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 187926 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:59:43 +0200 Received: from nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE (nx1.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.131.3]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id RAA21588; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:59:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from uxp1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de by nx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:59:06 +0200 Received: from localhost by uxp1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA19742; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:00:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:00:34 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Werner Lemberg Subject: announcing T2 mailing list To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Daer friends, Vladimir Volovich has set up a mailing list for the (Cyrillic) T2 encoding and related stuff as fonts etc. In case of interest please subscribe to the list sending the message `subscribe cyrtug-t2' to majordomo@vvv.vsu.ru . Werner Lemberg 22-Aug-1997 17:47:27-GMT,2274;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25764 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA23168; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:16:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 187965 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:16:34 +0200 Received: from cc.vsu.ru (root@VSU-Relarn.Relarn.ru [194.226.29.62]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id TAA23156 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:16:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cc.vsu.ru (8.8.7-vsu/8.8.7/ai) with UUCP id VAA05038 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:13:36 +0400 Received: from vvv (vvv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vvv.vrn.ru (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02182 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:13:20 +0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.1.42 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <33FDC8AF.54AB1FE6@vvv.vsu.ru> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:13:19 +0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Vladimir Volovich Subject: Re: announcing T2 mailing list To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Hello, Werner Lemberg wrote: > Vladimir Volovich has set up a mailing list for the (Cyrillic) T2 encoding > and related stuff as fonts etc. > > In case of interest please subscribe to the list sending the message > `subscribe cyrtug-t2' to majordomo@vvv.vsu.ru . A little correction: the name of the list is CyrTeX-T2, so the command should be `subscribe cyrtex-t2'. With best regards, Vladimir. 26-Aug-1997 11:38:24-GMT,3378;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00451 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA06646; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:01:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 189676 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:01:11 +0200 Received: from alpha.logic.tuwien.ac.at (alpha.logic.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.175.20]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id NAA06640 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:01:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alpha.logic.tuwien.ac.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.logic.tuwien.ac.at (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA26298 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:01:41 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <3402B794.15FB@logic.at> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:01:40 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Norbert Preining Subject: Problem with LaTeX 6/97 and AMSLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Hi! I've experienced the following problem with the latex/amslatex distribution: If I use a different ulasy.fd file (for the sauter fonts), the amslatex crashes at least with the multline* environment: The problem happens when the NEW ulasy.fd file is loaded after the amsmath-package. But if I load the ulasy.fd at format time or I use the ulasy.fd from the distribution, everything is ok. Where is the problem? Following is the new ulasy.fd, a testfile, and the log from the run. I use also the latest amslatex dist. from CTAN. I use a different ulasy.fd file: %% %% This *was* file `Ulasy.fd', %% \ProvidesFile{ulasy.fd} [1996/11/20 v2.2d Sauter LaTeX symbol font definitions] \providecommand{\sauter@family}[5]{% \DeclareFontShape{#1}{#2}{#4}{#5} { <5> #35 <6> #36 <7> #37 <8> #38 <9> #39 <10> #310 <10.95> #311 <12> #312 <14.4> #314 <17.28> #317 <20.74> #320 <24.88> #325 }{}% } \DeclareFontFamily{U}{lasy}{} \sauter@family{U}{lasy}{lasy}{m}{n} \sauter@family{U}{lasy}{lasyb}{b}{n} \endinput %% %% End of file `Ulasy.fd'. % % Testfile % \documentclass{article} \usepackage{latexsym} \usepackage{amsmath} \begin{document} \begin{multline*} x \end{multline*} \end{document} % eof % % from the log-file: % ... ! Improper \halign inside $$'s. \next@ ...ce \totwidth@ -\@mathmargin \fi \halign \bgroup \hbox to\totwidth@... l.15 \end{multline*} ... %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% -- ciao norb --------------------------------- - Preining Norbert - preining@logic.at - University of Technology Vienna - Austria --------------------------------- 26-Aug-1997 12:29:29-GMT,2140;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01265 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA09172; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 189735 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:06 +0200 Received: from perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de (perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.147]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id OAA09164 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from schoepf@localhost) by perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de (8.8.4/8.8.5) id OAA16795; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:33 +0200 (MEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <3402B794.15FB@logic.at> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-ID: <199708261203.OAA16795@perdita.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:03:33 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Rainer Schoepf Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz Subject: Re: Problem with LaTeX 6/97 and AMSLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <3402B794.15FB@logic.at> Please note that the LaTeX-L Mailing list is for discussing the development of LaTeX itself. For questions like yours use the general mailing lists like tex-d-l@vm.gmd.de or the de.comp.text.tex and comp.text.tex newsgroups. If you want to reprot a LaTeX bug, use the LaTeX problem report template latexbug.tex. Rainer Schöpf (wearing the list owner's hat) 28-Aug-1997 16:13:35-GMT,3035;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05558 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA22118; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:52:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 190859 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:52:09 +0200 Received: from math.ams.org (math.ams.org [130.44.210.14]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA22102 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:52:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from axp14.ams.org by math.ams.org via smtpd (for relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) with SMTP; 28 Aug 1997 15:52:33 UT Received: from AXP14.AMS.ORG by AXP14.AMS.ORG (PMDF V5.1-8 #1) id <01IMYWPDXMKG000165@AXP14.AMS.ORG> for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:52:10 EST MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Mail-system-version: Message-ID: <872783530.112254.BNB@MATH.AMS.ORG> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:52:10 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: AMS Technical Support Subject: Re: Problem with LaTeX 6/97 and AMSLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <3402B794.15FB@logic.at> norbert preining has reported a problem in the use of the sauter-style ulasy.fd file with the amsmath package. the problem that is encountered is related to the fact that quite a bit of math font loading must occur the first time math mode is entered. math font loading is rather complicated. i'm not sure of the exact cause of the error being reported (and the ams-latex developer is out of the office until next week), but there's a simple workaround. if you force math mode to be initialized in a less involved environment, the error very nicely goes away. this is what i did: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{latexsym} \usepackage{amsmath} \begin{document} $ $% force initialization of math mode \begin{multline*} x \end{multline*} \end{document} this may be a bit inconvenient, but you can most likely find a place early in your document where it shouldn't have any real side effects. i have put the report onto our queue for investigation when time permits. Barbara Beeton Technical Support Electronic Products and Services American Mathematical Society Phone: 800-321-4AMS (321-4267) or 401-455-4080 Internet: tech-support@ams.org 2-Sep-1997 4:29:24-GMT,2791;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03934 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA02617; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:37:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 192273 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:37:10 +0200 Received: from sun2.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de (sun2.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.30.2]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id KAA02609 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:37:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (mclasen@localhost) by sun2.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00740 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:37:38 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: mclasen@sun2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:37:38 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Matthias Clasen Subject: Update of my mathfont prototype To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <009B9A3D.F4454053.1@mink.ox.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by csc-sun.math.utah.edu id WAA03934 I tried to post this message to math-font-discuss@cogs.susx.ac.uk, but I received a note that the VAX hosting the list are closed since July 31. Hi, I have put version 0.5 of my work on math font at the following places: ftp://logimac.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de/logimac/Dokumente/www/mixed/mfnt0_5.tgz http://logimac.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de/mixed/mfnt0_5.tgz This version corrects some errors in version 0.4 which have been pointed out on this list. New in this version are the ability to choose between the traditional set of extensible characters (4 sizes each) or the extended set. There is also a bold and an Euler version now, although these are even more incomplete than the normal version. Comments are welcome. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Clasen Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg Institut für Mathematische Logik 79104 Freiburg, Germany. Tel.: +49 (0) 761-203-5606 9-Sep-1997 11:37:30-GMT,2242;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02812 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA23040; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:12:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196092 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:12:49 +0200 Received: from mail.nada.kth.se (root@mail.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.92]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id NAA23032 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:12:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [130.237.37.147] (sl121.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.147]) by mail.nada.kth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA26707 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:13:21 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:14:06 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Hans Aberg Subject: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L I just came across the URL (this is an offical archive for storing preprints), which discusses TeX/LaTeX macros which enables one to embed hyperlinks in the source. The idea is that a smart browser can convert those to real hyperlinks. Are there any plans including such macros in LaTeX3? (If not, it seems to be a good idea.) Hans Aberg * AMS member: Listing * Email: Hans Aberg * Home Page: 9-Sep-1997 12:05:48-GMT,3571;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03308 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA24042; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:41:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196104 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:41:56 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id NAA24033 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:41:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23667 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:42:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:41:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <7888-Tue09Sep1997123823+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:38:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: Hans Aberg writes: > I just came across the URL (this is an > offical archive for storing preprints), which discusses TeX/LaTeX macros > which enables one to embed hyperlinks in the source. The idea is that a > smart browser can convert those to real hyperlinks. > > Are there any plans including such macros in LaTeX3? (If not, it seems to > be a good idea.) I have devoted considerable effort over the last 3 years to a LaTeX package which generates hypertex-style hyperlinks from normal LaTeX markup (the hyperref package). Largely, it works. Give it a go:-} As the LaTeX2e maintainers know, I would like more hooks in core LaTeX to ease my task and I think they accept the principle, but none of us has precisely defined the needs. So I would say there are 3 questions to look at: 1. how to get the real hyperlinks into the output; i don't think this is LaTeX's job, and it is moderately well understood. hyperref, for instance, can work with hypertex xdvi, pdftex, dvips->distiller-pdf, OzTeX previewer, dvipsone, and dviwindow as `browsers'. and, I think, Scientific Word 2. whether to extend the standard LaTeX command set to include URL references and point-to-point links (\label isn't really a proper point), to avoid packages defining their own markup 3. whether core LaTeX does need extra hooks for people who writing hypertext macros. For me, 2. is what I want dealt with. hyperref, hyper and latex2html define incompatible commands at present, and its verging on getting messy. Sebastian 9-Sep-1997 17:30:25-GMT,4394;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10884 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA08322; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:11:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196264 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:11:34 +0200 Received: from mail.nada.kth.se (root@mail.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.92]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id TAA08314 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:11:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [130.237.37.75] (sl55.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.75]) by mail.nada.kth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA01647 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:12:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:12:47 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Hans Aberg Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L At 12:38 97/09/09, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >I have devoted considerable effort over the last 3 years to a LaTeX >package which generates hypertex-style hyperlinks from normal LaTeX >markup (the hyperref package). I had a brief look at your package. Here are my impressions: > 1. how to get the real hyperlinks into the output; i don't think this > is LaTeX's job, and it is moderately well understood. I understand that the \special{foo} command just puts the text "foo" into the output. Perhaps the LaTeX project should define (if not already done) a standard to identify which protocol the text belongs to, but no more. For example \special{html:foo} would identify "foo" as being html, whereas \special{url:foo} would identify "foo" as a URL. > 2. whether to extend the standard LaTeX command set to include URL > references and point-to-point links (\label isn't really a proper > point), to avoid packages defining their own markup I think HyperTeX defines hyperlinks in terms of HTML, as \special{html:foo}. My hunch is that this is a bad idea, as HTML is in itself a markup language (how to combine the different graphical outputs?). The problem is that HTML consists of two parts, the hyperlink stuff and the graphical markup stuff, and it is not possible to get only the hyperlink stuff. One could have two different versions of HyperLaTeX, depending if your dvi reader can handle hyperlinks or not. It seems me that \label and \bibitem could be used to generate URL names (locations within a file), and \ref, \eqref, and \cite could be used to generate hyperlinks within a file. For external ref's (to other doc's), one could perhaps use LaTeX optional commands \label[ExternalURL]{URLname} and so on (see about URL's). In addition, one could add a few commands, such as indicating a base URL if wanted, perhaps a special hyperlink button environment, some of the new hyperlink stuff in HTML 4 (see ), and so on. The idea is that a lot of people already writes manuscripts using \label, etc, and one should be able use that contextual information to automatically generate helpful hyperlinks. > 3. whether core LaTeX does need extra hooks for people who writing > hypertext macros. This one is related to problems of extending TeX: One would really want to be able to define syntactic environments (enhancing TeX's extensible grammar to be even more extensible). Not really within the LaTeX3 project, then, but LaTeX3 experiences might be an input. Hans Aberg * AMS member: Listing * Email: Hans Aberg 10-Sep-1997 9:02:14-GMT,3599;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00944 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA25612; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:39:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196536 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:39:56 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id KAA25602 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:39:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27060 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:39:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:39:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <1270-Wed10Sep1997092916+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:29:16 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: > I understand that the \special{foo} command just puts the text "foo" into > the output. Perhaps the LaTeX project should define (if not already done) a > standard to identify which protocol the text belongs to, but no more. For > example \special{html:foo} would identify "foo" as being html, whereas > \special{url:foo} would identify "foo" as a URL. the hypertex project already does some of this standardization, if you want to follow it. not sure what else is needed. > I think HyperTeX defines hyperlinks in terms of HTML, as > \special{html:foo}. My hunch is that this is a bad idea, as HTML is in > itself a markup language (how to combine the different graphical outputs?). > The problem is that HTML consists of two parts, the hyperlink stuff and the > graphical markup stuff, and it is not possible to get only the hyperlink i dont see what you are getting at. the hypertex specials define a set of \special conventions which look like the HTML equivalents, thats all > It seems me that \label and \bibitem could be used to generate URL names > (locations within a file), and \ref, \eqref, and \cite could be used to > generate hyperlinks within a file. For external ref's (to other doc's), one quite. thats what hyperref does > In addition, one could add a few commands, such as indicating a base URL if thats in HyperTeX > The idea is that a lot of people already writes manuscripts using \label, > etc, and one should be able use that contextual information to > automatically generate helpful hyperlinks. try using hyperref. it all just happens Sebastian 10-Sep-1997 11:19:22-GMT,2654;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03267 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 05:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA00464; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:52:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196581 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:52:30 +0200 Received: from mail.nada.kth.se (root@mail.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.92]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id MAA00457 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:52:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [130.237.37.138] (sl123.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.149]) by mail.nada.kth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA16112 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:52:57 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:53:42 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Hans Aberg Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Sebastian Rahtz writes: >the hypertex project already does some of this standardization, if you want to >follow it. not sure what else is needed. So how does the hypertex protocol work together with other protocols, like embedded PS or non-GIF pictures? Does every protocol invent its own syntax to identify itself? > > The problem is that HTML consists of two parts, the hyperlink stuff and the > > graphical markup stuff, and it is not possible to get only the hyperlink >i dont see what you are getting at. the hypertex specials define a set >of \special conventions which look like the HTML equivalents, thats all Well, the HTML standard is evolving, and one would then want to have access to the new hyperlink features, but not the markup features. So one would really want to work with a hyperlink protocol, and not HTML. Hans Aberg * AMS member: Listing * Email: Hans Aberg 10-Sep-1997 11:36:56-GMT,2737;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03569 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 05:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA01736; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:17:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196613 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:17:28 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id NAA01727 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:17:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03513 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:17:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:17:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <7118-Wed10Sep1997121206+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:12:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: > So how does the hypertex protocol work together with other protocols, > like embedded PS or non-GIF pictures? Does every protocol invent its own > syntax to identify itself? there *is* no protocol for embedded PS or non-GIF, so what are you getting at > Well, the HTML standard is evolving, and one would then want to have oh you think its a `standard'.... sensible people like TeXxies [1] should be plugging XML > access to the new hyperlink features, but not the markup features. So one > would really want to work with a hyperlink protocol, and not HTML. which is exactly what we have. the fact that the tags start `html' does not imply that random HTML after them is acceptable. sebastian [1] i am famous for my irony 10-Sep-1997 13:06:07-GMT,3260;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05146 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA05265; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:39:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196664 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:39:46 +0200 Received: from mail.nada.kth.se (root@mail.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.92]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id OAA05253 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:39:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [130.237.37.138] (sl98.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.124]) by mail.nada.kth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA25207 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:40:13 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:40:58 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Hans Aberg Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Sebastian Rahtz writes: > > So how does the hypertex protocol work together with other protocols, > > like embedded PS or non-GIF pictures? Does every protocol invent its own > > syntax to identify itself? >there *is* no protocol for embedded PS or non-GIF, so what are you >getting at So it's ok to make a hyperlink around some embedded PS (EPSF) or a non-GIF picture using the standard hypertex, then? > > Well, the HTML standard is evolving, and one would then want to have >oh you think its a `standard'.... My Merriam Webster's dictionary defines the word "standard" as "having qualities or attributes established by custom". Thinking of it, yes, I think it applies to HTML. :-) >sensible people like TeXxies [1] should be plugging XML I think we are now getting to the old moral question of telling other people what they should do; the problem since the dawn of the civilisation has been that other people seem to not bother. How about a more informative comment about XML? :-) > > access to the new hyperlink features, but not the markup features. So one > > would really want to work with a hyperlink protocol, and not HTML. >which is exactly what we have. the fact that the tags start `html' >does not imply that random HTML after them is acceptable. I figure the idea is that an underpaid Philippino worker is extracting the new hyperlink features from HTML... >[1] i am famous for my irony Or infamous. :-) Hans Aberg * AMS member: Listing * Email: Hans Aberg 10-Sep-1997 13:24:20-GMT,3086;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05524 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA06087; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:58:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196678 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:58:38 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id OAA06070 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:58:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07390 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:58:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:58:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <3132-Wed10Sep1997135536+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:55:36 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: > > So it's ok to make a hyperlink around some embedded PS (EPSF) or a > non-GIF picture using the standard hypertex, then? yes, of course. the picture is just an area on the page > has been that other people seem to not bother. How about a more informative > comment about XML? :-) i'l carry on being unhelpful and say you should have come to TUG 97, there was an excellent presentation about XML :-} > > I figure the idea is that an underpaid Philippino worker is extracting > the new hyperlink features from HTML... > i am slightly lost, to be serious, about what your concern is. what are these `new hyperlink features from HTML'? i can see a question may arise about how to specify XML extended links in LaTeX source; but to be quite honest, why would anyone who believes in XML etc want to author new material in LaTeX anyway? no, please dont lets treat that as an offer to start a debate (we had several of those at TUG 97 as well!). but seriously, tell me what practical concerns you have about the useability of hyperlinks in LaTeX-based systems today. sebastian 10-Sep-1997 15:50:33-GMT,3751;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08737 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA11777; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:20:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196761 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:20:13 +0200 Received: from mail.nada.kth.se (root@mail.nada.kth.se [130.237.222.92]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id RAA11771 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:20:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [130.237.37.138] (sl80.modempool.kth.se [130.237.37.106]) by mail.nada.kth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA07554 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:20:43 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: su95-hab@mail.nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:21:28 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Hans Aberg Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >> How about a more informative comment about XML? :-) >i'l carry on being unhelpful and say you should have come to TUG 97, >there was an excellent presentation about XML :-} Perhaps you should leave those unhelpful comments out, and give room for others with some helpful comments. (I am not telling you; this is just a subtle suggestion.) Perhaps this could help generate some general public interest in XML, whatever that is. :-) > > I figure the idea is that an underpaid Philippino worker is extracting > > the new hyperlink features from HTML... > > >i am slightly lost, to be serious, about what your concern is. what >are these `new hyperlink features from HTML'? I gave a reference to the new HTML 4.0 Working Draft (see, I am very helpful with ref's :-). It concerns the dynamic behaviour of links, and stuff which I have not studied yet in detail. (There is also this other movement with cgi-scripts coming along now, which should perhaps be mentioned.) >i can see a question may >arise about how to specify XML extended links in LaTeX source; but to >be quite honest, why would anyone who believes in XML etc want to >author new material in LaTeX anyway? I figure, then it does not belong in the LaTeX3 group anyway? So if you would want XML to be promoted, the strategy would perhaps be to sneak in some quick XML references before you are thrown out by the administrators of this mailing list. :-) >.. but seriously, tell me what practical concerns you have about >the useability of hyperlinks in LaTeX-based systems today. This is sort of a very general interesting question, which relates to the future development of electronic media. Hypermedia is taking off with such a breakneck speed, that one has to count on that a program like TeX, which only provides typesetting for paper, really will be of less interest in the future. On the other hand, if the resolution of graphical displays increases, TeX still has provided some experiences for how to produce good typesetting. 10-Sep-1997 16:15:06-GMT,3189;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09346 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA13134; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:53:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196808 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:52:58 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id RAA13128 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:52:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15219 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:53:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:53:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <6089-Wed10Sep1997165001+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:50:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: > interest in XML, whatever that is. :-) http://www.sil.org/sgml/xml.html > (see, I am very helpful with ref's > :-). It concerns the dynamic behaviour of links, and stuff which I have not > studied yet in detail. (There is also this other movement with cgi-scripts > coming along now, which should perhaps be mentioned.) agreed, the hypertex spec may need updating. personally, i hope HTML 4 remains a gleam in the eye of Raggett and chums and we are never plagued with it. > I figure, then it does not belong in the LaTeX3 group anyway? So if you just because you dont author in LaTeX doesnt mean you dont *use* LaTeX. I'd like to author in SGML/XML, and use (La)TeX as my formatting engine. does that make a renegade? > future development of electronic media. Hypermedia is taking off with such > a breakneck speed, so people have been telling me for 10 years now. > future. On the other hand, if the resolution of graphical displays > increases, TeX still has provided some experiences for how to produce good > typesetting. and TeX still has a great place for making printed pages back from the hypermediazed stuff Sebastian 10-Sep-1997 16:28:36-GMT,1714;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09694 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id SAA13694; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:05:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 196833 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:05:56 +0200 Received: from vms.rhbnc.ac.uk (alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.201.113]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id SAA13687 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:05:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <970910170626.c4ec@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:06:26 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: "Philip Taylor (RHBNC)" Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L [Since we're all about to get thrown off the list anyway, for off-topic mails, I may as well add my two-penn'orth!] >> personally, i hope HTML 4 remains a gleam in the eye of Raggett and >> chums and we are never plagued with it. Every new web page I create conforms to the HTML 4.0 spec. I _want_ en- and em-dashes, cascading style sheets and so on: don't you? ** Phil. 11-Sep-1997 9:20:47-GMT,2435;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01430 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id LAA02758; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:03:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 197212 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:03:27 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id LAA02748 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:03:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07898 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:03:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:03:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970910170626.c4ec@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <2172-Thu11Sep1997095102+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:51:02 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <970910170626.c4ec@vms.rhbnc.ac.uk> > > Every new web page I create conforms to the HTML 4.0 spec. I _want_ > en- and em-dashes, cascading style sheets and so on: don't you? > no. i want Unicode, i want extensible markup, and a properly designed style language. that rules out HTML4 and CSS, no? incidentally, the proposal for XML's style language was just released; no doubt many people on this list will find it of interest: http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-XSL-970910 Sebastian 11-Sep-1997 16:50:28-GMT,3058;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10680 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id SAA19151; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:30:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 197497 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:30:11 +0200 Received: from sarah.albany.edu (sarah.albany.edu [169.226.1.103]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id SAA19145 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:30:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fenris.math.albany.edu (fenris.math.albany.edu [169.226.23.39]) by sarah.albany.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13825 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by fenris.math.albany.edu (8.8.4/8.8.3) id MAA14306 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:29:09 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Message-ID: <199709111629.MAA14306@fenris.math.albany.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:29:08 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Mark Steinberger Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: from "Hans Aberg" at Sep 10, 97 02:40:58 pm Actually, the hypertex situation is very messy as there are two, incompatible sets of hypertex \specials in use. One set comes from the HyperTeX project, and the other from YandY (a commercial package for the PC, which, as far as I know, is the only PC based system that uses ANY kind of hypertex.) Neither group supports the \specials from the other. A standard for hypertex specials would be EXTREMELY useful, as, currently, there is no way to provide hypertex dvis readable on both unix and PC platforms. Thus, if you want to distribute hyperlinked documents accessible to all, pdf seems the best answer. (Hyperps also exists, and has its advocates.) But standards for either this or for inclusion of graphics are unlikely to come about any time soon. --Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Steinberger | Dept. of Math. & Stat | Nonlinear similarity begins in dimension six. SUNY at Albany | Albany, NY 12222 | mark@csc.albany.edu | http://math.albany.edu:8800/~mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Sep-1997 9:12:16-GMT,3116;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00400 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 03:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA05906; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:52:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 197833 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:52:44 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id KAA05893 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:52:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21082 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:52:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:52:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199709111629.MAA14306@fenris.math.albany.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <7080-Fri12Sep1997092816+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:28:16 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <199709111629.MAA14306@fenris.math.albany.edu> > One set comes from the HyperTeX project, and the other from YandY (a > commercial package for the PC, which, as far as I know, is the only > PC based system that uses ANY kind of hypertex.) Scientific Word supports the same sort of thing, doesnt it? > Neither group supports the \specials from the other. at the \special level, true. but at the package level, you can just use hyperref, which has drivers for dvips, dvipsone, dviwindo, hypertex, and pdftex. > A standard for hypertex specials would be EXTREMELY useful, as, > currently, there is no way to provide hypertex dvis readable on both > unix and PC platforms. until Fabrice Popineau manages to finish the port of xdvi to Windows that he is working on, perhaps. my *personal* feeling is that using dvi as the interchange file is pretty much doomed anyway. pdf has all the advantages, and few disadvantages (the only one is size, really). > Thus, if you want to distribute hyperlinked > documents accessible to all, pdf seems the best answer. (Hyperps also or HTML :-} sebastian 12-Sep-1997 13:45:22-GMT,2621;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05008 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA14498; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:13:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 197958 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:13:55 +0200 Received: from sarah.albany.edu (sarah.albany.edu [169.226.1.103]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id PAA14489 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:13:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fenris.math.albany.edu (fenris.math.albany.edu [169.226.23.39]) by sarah.albany.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16226 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by fenris.math.albany.edu (8.8.4/8.8.3) id JAA15051 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:12:54 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Message-ID: <199709121312.JAA15051@fenris.math.albany.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:12:53 -0400 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Mark Steinberger Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <7080-Fri12Sep1997092816+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> from "Sebastian Rahtz" at Sep 12, 97 09:28:16 am > my *personal* feeling is that using dvi as the interchange file is > pretty much doomed anyway. With incompatible \specials, some expertise is needed to even be able to exchange TeX source. This complicates coauthorships, and even, to some extent, journal submissions. It also retards the knowledge growth of the average user, so the sophistication of the materials authors place on the web suffers. The end result is bad for the TeX community. This is exactly the kind of problem the latex project has solved for users of straight latex (without \specials). In the world of \specials, we have the same kind of anarchy that existed for latex 2.09 macro packages. --Mark 12-Sep-1997 14:00:49-GMT,3067;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05308 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA15207; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:34:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 197970 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:34:51 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id PAA15201 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:34:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03696 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:34:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7080-Fri12Sep1997092816+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> <199709121312.JAA15051@fenris.math.albany.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <8351-Fri12Sep1997143129+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:31:29 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <199709121312.JAA15051@fenris.math.albany.edu> > With incompatible \specials, some expertise is needed to even be able to > exchange TeX source. "some", yes, one cannot deny. > This is exactly the kind of problem the latex project has solved for > users of straight latex (without \specials). In the world of \specials, > we have the same kind of anarchy that existed for latex 2.09 macro > packages. i certainly do deny this. the LaTeX team have consistently and thoroughly promoted the use of packages which conceal \special s from view, in the area of color and graphics inclusion. I would argue that hyperrref follows the same lead. The typical user has a non-committal LaTeX file saying: \usepackage{foo} and a global .cfg file saying that their preferred driver is XXX (or you can build a special format file which says this). then the LaTeX file can safely be shipped to me, who has driver YYY, and all is well. granted, this is far from ideal, but its not the \special anarchy which we had a few years ago. Sebastian 13-Sep-1997 4:06:07-GMT,3169;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22984 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id FAA29550; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 05:37:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 198226 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 05:37:27 +0200 Received: from famaf.fis.uncor.edu (root@famaf.fis.uncor.edu [200.16.17.55]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id FAA29544 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 05:37:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from lenton@localhost) by famaf.fis.uncor.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06877; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:27:56 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:27:55 -0300 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: John Rowland Lenton Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <8351-Fri12Sep1997143129+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> I don't mean to interrupt your argument, but maybe you could think of the problem the other way round: what would LaTeX3 have to have to make it "readable" over the Net? Let me explain: one (the) worst problem with reading scientific documents via HTML is that either you read TeX source---which is discouraging for most---or you download all the formulas as graphic files and hope you are near your source, wich is not the case of the people who benefit the most from the Electronic publications anyway (those of us who are uncivilized enough to live outside Eurpoe and USA for example). I ignore if these problems have been removed from HTML 4, 5, ..., oo, but I doubt it, since I'ts a John-Doe-Internet revolution that's moving things (no problem there, but don't fool yourselves!). Could a browser load a program (an applet, if it's Netscape) to read the (La)TeX source, process it on-the-fly, and present it using fonts something like SciWord does? Most people don't care if their screens aren't beautiful (I mean TeX-beauty, really nice fonts, spacing, etc. etc.) as long as they can read the information. If needed you can always TeX the .tex file later to gush over the beauty of typesetted foo's. I though maybe the add-in could be part of LaTeX3, which is why I've interrupted you. I'm sorry if it is off-the-whatever. While I'm at it, I resent you-didn't-go-to-TUG??-and-I-did remarks. And I think some of the people suscribed to this list have grown past enjoying people scratching their eyes out over --- over what? John. 13-Sep-1997 11:25:54-GMT,2877;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00647 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 05:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA03832; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:51:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 198339 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:51:06 +0200 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA03825 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:51:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dcarlisle.demon.co.uk ([194.222.187.145]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1209475; 12 Sep 97 17:40 BST Received: by dcarlisle.demon.co.uk id m0x9Ylo-000OW9C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:40:36 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:40:36 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: David Carlisle Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <199709121312.JAA15051@fenris.math.albany.edu> (message from Mark Steinberger on Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:12:53 -0400) > With incompatible \specials, some expertise is needed to even be able to > exchange TeX source. It's not so bad most of the time, If I have a document that goes \usepackage{hyperref,color} then I can have a hyperlinked, coloured document which will work unchanged (at the TeX level) with xdvi (hyperlinked, but monocrome) dvips/ghostscript dvips/ghostscript/distiller/acrobat pdftex/acrobat Y&Y's dviwindo previewer Y&Y's dvipsone/distiller/acrobat OzTeX previewer and probably other things as well. There are still problems relating to graphics inclusion, but that is more to do with differing functionality than with differing syntax. If one driver supports including, say, wmf (MS Windows) files, and another does not, then moving a document that includes such a graphic will involve a bit of effort and conversion, I don't see how a standardised \special syntax for that would help much. It would help me to maintain color/graphics and it would help Sebastian to maintain hyperref, but as long as somebody has put in the work to support a given \special set, it does not make much difference to the end user. David 15-Sep-1997 8:53:34-GMT,3254;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16338 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 02:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA02691; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:29:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 198885 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:29:28 +0200 Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id KAA02676 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:29:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04526 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:29:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from SRAHTZ (actually host srahtz.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:29:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8351-Fri12Sep1997143129+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under Emacs 19.34.4 Message-ID: <4559-Sat13Sep1997230954+0100-s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:09:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Sebastian Rahtz Subject: Re: HyperLaTeX To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: John Rowland Lenton writes: > I don't mean to interrupt your argument, but maybe you could think of the > problem the other way round: what would LaTeX3 have to have to make it > "readable" over the Net? have you see IBM's techxplorer? > Could a browser load a program (an applet, if it's Netscape) to read the > (La)TeX source, process it on-the-fly, and present it using fonts > something like SciWord does? Most people don't care if their screens there are several references to projects on http://www.tug.org/interest.html > While I'm at it, I resent you-didn't-go-to-TUG??-and-I-did remarks. And I I know what you mean, and i apologize for offense. equally, i get annoyed by people (not you) who say `They keep it to themselves, its all secret'; if people have the energy, money and time, there *are* events and publications where TeX is discussed. I would say with no apology at all that anyone who bothers to subscribe to this list should expect to see references to TUG articles. Hands up all those who cant afford $50 a year, or whatever it is? You'll be saying next you cant afford the LaTeX Graphics Companion:-} Sebastian 16-Sep-1997 9:45:34-GMT,5717;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA15374 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 03:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id LAA12221; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:14:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 199547 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:14:53 +0200 Received: from sun2.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de (sun2.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.30.2]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id LAA12210 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:14:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (mclasen@localhost) by sun2.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03209 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:15:23 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: mclasen@sun2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1903590565-874401322=:2447" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:15:22 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Matthias Clasen Subject: nfssfont.tex To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-1903590565-874401322=:2447 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Some days ago Frank Mittelbach asked (on math-font-discuss) for a version o= f nfssfont.tex which understands NFSS font specs. Since I had to look at nfssfont.tex anyway, I gave it a try. The result is attached to this message. The new commands are \nfssspec, \nfssinfo and \nfssinit. The command \nfssinfo offers a way to study the NFSS tables interactively.= =20 I hope this is useful to someone and not off-topic on this list. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Clasen =20 Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg =20 Institut f=FCr Mathematische Logik=20 79104 Freiburg, Germany. 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The common solution in LaTeX is \c{s} and \c{t} but these are not complying with the Romanian typesetting and grammar rules. The correct layout for those letters is a comma (position 44(decimal) in the standard 7-bit character table) -- not a cedilla (position 24), under the middle of the 's' or 't' letter, at about 0.2ex distance. The problem is that the dimension of the comma is about 60 percent from the ordinary comma (pos. 44). Because I want to do something portable I don't want to change the fonts. I've tried something like (thanks to Ed Sznyter ews@Babel.Com): \def\comma#1{#1\vbox to 0pt{\vskip .15ex\hbox to 0pt{\setbox0=\hbox{#1}\kern -\wd0\hss$\scriptscriptstyle ,$\hss}\vss}} but this is not working all the fonts and for all the styles. Is there a way to take the current font (without naming it explicitly) and to scale it (decreasing)? It is possible to write a macro that scales the comma relatively to the current font size (and style)? I know that the \superscript scales the fonts correctly, independent of the font family. Can you help me to write a macro to make those letters? Thanks, --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Liviu LUDOSAN mailto:aludosan@dnt.ro --------------------------------------------------------------- Nu mor caii c^and vor c^anii! 16-Sep-1997 15:04:10-GMT,2948;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21126 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id QAA24987; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:39:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 199771 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:39:50 +0200 Received: from MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (dzdmzb.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.33]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id QAA24975 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:39:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE by MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE (PMDF V5.0-4 #22141) id <01INPTLQD2LSAC47JT@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE> for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:42:02 +0100 X-VMS-To: IN%"LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: <01INPTLQD7B6AC47JT@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:42:02 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: "J%org Knappen, Mainz" Subject: Re: Need help for Romanian characters To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L I plan to add a special comma below for composing letters with comma below to the next release of the text companion fonts (tc fonts). The release is scheduled to be released before RIDT and EuroTeX in March 1998. Unfortunately, the contruction of romanian letters of different pieces inhibits haphenation of all words with such letters. Therefore you will have the following choices: a) Most work, optimal quality: Derive a romanian font from the ec fonts, where you replace s and t with cedilla by ready-made s and t with comma below (a little exercise in METAFONT, but not too difficult if you read Computers and Typesetting, Vol E [The Computer Modern Fonts] carefully). Maybe you want to use virtual fonts and fontinst, too. b) Good hyphenation, compromise on letter design Use the unchanged ec fonts with s and t with cedilla and good romanian hyphenation patterns. c) Compromise on hyphenation, no compromise on letter design Use a construction like the one you described above. Or the coming comma below from the tc fonts. --J"org Knappen P.S. I appreciate input on the design of the >>comma below<< diacritic. If you have good samples of it, please contact me directly. 16-Sep-1997 20:25:20-GMT,3402;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28573 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id VAA04332; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:48:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 199841 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:48:35 +0200 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1a.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.134]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id VAA04326 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:48:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dcarlisle.demon.co.uk ([194.222.187.145]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126122; 16 Sep 97 20:27 BST Received: by dcarlisle.demon.co.uk id m0xB0oC-000OW7C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:49:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:49:04 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: David Carlisle Subject: Re: Need help for Romanian characters To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: <341E951E.CFB5BF34@dnt.ro> (message from Adrian Liviu LUDOSAN on Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:18:06 +0300) > Because I want to do something portable I don't want to change the > fonts. I've tried something like (thanks to Ed Sznyter ews@Babel.Com): > ... > but this is not working all the fonts and for all the styles. That solution always pulls the `,' from math mode, so it comes from the same (roman) font, even if the current font is sans serif or whatever. > Is there a way to take the current font (without naming it explicitly) > and to scale it (decreasing)? yes, you just go \fontsize{something}{0pt}\selectfont. The question is what value to put for `something'. The suggestion below (\commaB) uses the value \ssf@size which is the internal comand NFSS uses to store the scriptscriptfont size for the current font. This value is not initialised until the first time math mode is used at a current size, so there is an empty math list first. Apart from the change in font the code is identical to the original, which centers the comma under the letter, I can not judge whether that is a good position, not knowing Romanian... As J"org mentioned in his reply, any such constructions will break hyphenation. To get hyphenation correct then you need to construct a (real or virtual) font. David \documentclass{article} \makeatletter \begin{document} \def\commaA#1{#1\vbox to 0pt{\vskip .15ex\hbox to 0pt{\setbox0=\hbox{#1}\kern -\wd0\hss$\scriptscriptstyle ,$\hss}\vss}} \def\commaB#1{#1\vbox to 0pt{\vskip .15ex\hbox to 0pt{\setbox0=\hbox{#1}\kern -\wd0\hss $\m@th$\fontsize\ssf@size\z@\selectfont,\hss}\vss}} \commaA{t} \commaB{t} \sffamily \commaA{t} \commaB{t} \ttfamily \commaA{t} \commaB{t} \end{document} 19-Sep-1997 9:56:20-GMT,3617;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA12174 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:56:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id LAA28796; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:22:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 200956 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:22:56 +0200 Received: from nimbus.rz.uni-konstanz.de (nimbus.rz.uni-konstanz.de [134.34.3.4]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with ESMTP id LAA28787 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:22:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from michael (actually medusa-182.rz.uni-konstanz.de) by nimbus.rz.uni-konstanz.de with Intranet SMTP (PP); Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:23:19 +0200 X-Sender: pop04162@popserver.uni-konstanz.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970919112510.00692c64@popserver.uni-konstanz.de> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:25:10 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6nig?= Subject: My LaTex does not work To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L I'm new in this lis, so I don't know if my question is at the right adress. If not, please just forget. I installed a EmTex-version on a 386SX 16 MHz, DOS 6.0 -Machine. Everthing was working right. But it was much to slow, so I bought a new computer (Pentium AMD-K5 166 MHz) System: Windows 95 Memory: Base: 640K Extended: 15360K other: 384K emTex: htex386 Version 3.14159 So the problems began: When I want to start LaTex by latex.bat @ECHO OFF HTEX386 &LATEX %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 I get the message: -> DYN: out of memory Now my question: How can I change my CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, SET_TEX.BAT or whatever to solve my problem? Thanks for your help. my config.sys: SWITCHES=/F SET PATH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\WINDOWS;C:\;d:\emx\bin;d:\emtex\bin;d:\emtex\texs hell DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS /TESTMEM:OFF DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE noems DOS=HIGH, UMB, NOAUTO DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\CD_DRIVE\CDROM_TR.SYS /D:CDROM COUNTRY=049,850,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\COUNTRY.SYS FILESHIGH = 50 FCBSHIGH=32,32 STACKSHIGH=64,256 BUFFERSHIGH=20 LASTDRIVEHIGH=F my autoexec.bat: @ECHO OFF SET DIRCMD= /P /OGN LH C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\KEYB GR,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\KEYBOARD.SYS set_tex.bat my set_tex.bat @ECHO OFF @set emx=d:\emx\bin\emx.exe @set dpmimem=maxmem 4096 @SET EMTEXDIR=d:\EMTEX @SET DVIDRVINPUT=d:\EMTEX\DOC @SET DVIDRVFONTS=d:\TEXFONTS @SET DVIDRVGRAPH=d:\EMTEX\DOC @SET INDEXSTYLE=d:\EMTEX\IDXSTYLE @SET MFJOBOPT=/3 ======================================================================= MICHAEL KOENIG cand.math. Tel.: +49-7531/74173 Mergenthaler Weg 3 Fax: +49-7531/74173 D-78467 Konstanz E-Mail: Michael.Koenig@uni-konstanz.de ======================================================================= 19-Sep-1997 13:32:44-GMT,2046;000000000001 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15946 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay (relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.201]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA06434; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:01:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 201072 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:01:33 +0200 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.11]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA06427 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:01:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dorceus.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.1.34] (rf) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xC2hD-0001WI-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:02:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:02:05 +0100 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Robin Fairbairns Subject: Re: My LaTex does not work To: Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:25:10 +0200." <3.0.1.32.19970919112510.00692c64@popserver.uni-konstanz.de> > I'm new in this lis, so I don't know if my question is at the right adress. > If not, please just forget. This list is about the project to develop a new version of LaTeX, so your question is indeed inappropriate. Try the emtex list -- there are details in the emtex documentation (you have to be a member of the list to post a question to it). Robin Fairbairns